[01:56] we're aware of some operational problems with launchpad bzr hosting [01:56] we're looking into it and should have more information soon [02:50] morning === lifeless changed the topic of #launchpad to: bazaar.launchpad.net shutdown for urgent maintenance | https://launchpad.net | Next meeting, all welcome: Thu 5 June 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Questions and spam reports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com [03:10] Whee. [03:13] We have a small escaping bug, a fix is underway, but we need to disable writes until it is fixed. [03:16] Is launchpad bzr down? I'm a first-time user moving a project there, and "bzr push bzr+ssh://...@bazaar.launchpad.net/..." is giving me a port 22 connection refused error [03:17] brandon_rhodes: yes, see /topic [03:17] * brandon_rhodes sheepishly checks /topic [03:17] Ah, thanks. I saw the stuff about the meeting and missed the important bit :-) [03:18] we don't have an exact timeframe yet, but it is a prioty [03:18] *priority* [03:20] I guess since bzr is distributed, this means that most users are not dead in the water and can still commit to their local branches in the meantime. Neat. [03:20] * brandon_rhodes is still learning bzr [03:20] yup [03:21] however it is still inconvenient at best, so we do consider it a serious issue [03:26] * brandon_rhodes waits patiently to announce that his project has adopted Lauchpad until he can upload its actual source code :-) [03:28] what project is it ? [03:28] PyEphem. [03:29] Python's most popular astronomy library, for whatever that's worth. A niche market within a niche market. :-) [03:29] lol [03:30] Though since Python is actually more popular in science that in other areas, it's not that bad. It's used at observatories here and there. [03:31] hey [03:32] can any one help me with ubuntu? [03:32] zero-velocity: You probably want #ubuntu. [03:32] thank you ;) [03:33] hey folks... I'm getting a connection refused for port 22 on bazaar.launchpad.net [03:34] see /topic [03:34] lifeless: thanks man :-) [04:19] bah. if i knew that would be happening, i would have pushed this diff earlier tonight :( [04:41] morning stub :) === lifeless changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net | Next meeting, all welcome: Thu 5 June 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Questions and spam reports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com [06:05] tseliot: morning :) [06:06] emgent: morning ;) [06:32] 190 CDs requested on 2008-05-29. 35 CDs were approved and sent to the shipping company 6 hours ago. [06:32] Why only 35 CDs? [06:34] because that is the number that was approved [06:35] 190 CDs requested on 2008-05-29. 35 CDs were approved and sent to the shipping company 6 hours ago. [06:35] Why 35 of 190 CDs only? [06:35] why did you need 190 CDs? [06:36] I'm a administrator of the Free Software Community of Chimbote, Perú [06:36] I need for to promote Free Software [06:36] here [06:38] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq <- see the third question [06:38] 190 CDs is a lot (they aren't free to produce), so it seems the person handling the order reduced it to 35 [06:38] thank you [06:39] if you have a special need, send an email to the address at the end of that answer === oub1wann is now known as oubiwann [06:46] I did request 35 Ubuntu CDs [06:47] The sum of all cds was 190 [06:48] The total of all cds was 190 (Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Kubuntu) [06:49] well, you can send an email to query the order [06:56] thanks, friend! [07:34] in the launchpad bzr file browser, is there any way to view the latest version of a file? [07:35] e.g., all I can seem to do is view "version X" [07:35] and I don't want that [07:36] I want a link to the *latest* version of the file, not a specific version [07:36] oubiwann: hmm. [07:36] let's have a look. [07:39] oubiwann: URL hacking isn't revealing anything for me. [07:39] yeah, me neither :-( [07:41] looks like someone tried to ask a similar question: https://answers.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+question/31709 [07:41] it was never answered [07:41] yay open source support [07:41] I believe there's some magic URL hacking you can do, something like "head:" or similar. [07:42] oubiwann: replacing the revision id with head: seems to work. [07:43] jml: nice one! [07:43] spiv: thanks [07:44] Utterly undiscoverable, but mwhudson is already well aware of this problem :) [07:45] hooray [07:46] jml, spiv: hrm, my URLs don't have a revision id [07:46] You can also replace the ?file_id=xxx with /path [07:46] e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/annotate/head:/COPYING.txt [07:46] spiv: goodness me [07:46] spiv: ah, that's what I need [07:47] jml: for bonus wackiness, it *doesn't* work for /download links, just /annotate [07:50] Is that because /download also has the object ID? [08:10] spiv: yeah, the download links are a bit of a problem child really [08:10] btw, working on loggerhead helped to teach my how much better an api locateChild is than getattr() [08:30] Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [08:31] *evening* mpt! === fta_ is now known as fta [09:17] Any idea why there's no build record for limesurvey at https://edge.launchpad.net/~nijaba/+archive ? === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [09:58] is PPA building intrepid yet? [09:59] gnomefreak: not yet. [09:59] ah ok that would be why. thanks [09:59] Yeah. I got bitten by that, too. [10:00] eh most hardy packages run on intrepid anyway so for [10:00] far [10:10] say what https://edge.launchpad.net/testproject1010/trunk [10:18] thanks for taking care of revu/trunk hosted branch :) [10:48] if PPA does not build for intrepid, why does it accepts uploads made as such? Would it not make sense for it to refuse such uploads explicitly? [10:48] nijaba: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/173866 [10:48] Launchpad bug 173866 in soyuz "Source uploads should result in, at least, one build in order to be accepted" [Medium,In progress] [10:49] * nijaba nods [10:49] oh, gah. [10:53] Hello [11:00] I have a question about importing .pot files. [11:13] sylvain: Best just to ask and someone will answer when they can. [11:13] yep [11:14] well, I work on Silva with thisfred (eric casteleijn), and usually he upload pot file [11:14] and this work in the day [11:15] last thrusday, I did it instead of him, and this went to *review* [11:15] and it was never merge and made available in launchpad [11:15] this morning, he tried again with his account, and got the same behaviour [11:16] does anything go wrong, we suspect that's because we used a different user ? [11:17] * mwhudson pokes jt1 [11:18] mwhudson: ? === jt1 is now known as jtv [11:18] jtv: i think you can probably answer sylvain's question [11:18] sylvain: what project is this? [11:18] Silva [11:19] https://edge.launchpad.net/silva [11:19] it's called Silva CMS exactly [11:19] sylvain: I see it here... Not sure why that got held for review. Just a moment. [11:22] jtv: it worked now, we got a notfication === sylvain is now known as sylvain|lunch === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [12:14] hi there [12:15] i'm the admin of ubuntu-l10n-fa , and we are working on team membership rules and policies [12:17] lots of people are interested in joining the team, and they feel bad if they do the translation, but not be a team member [12:17] so i want to change the team description to "Ubuntu Persian Translation Coordinators" [12:19] zwnj: You should be able to change it as an administrator or owner of the team. [12:19] and make another team, like ubuntu-l10n-fa-all, so people can join that, but their translation won't be official until it's been reviewed by one of the coordinators [12:19] is it a good approach? === sylvain|lunch is now known as sylvain [12:19] You intend to give no additional permissions to -all? [12:19] wgrant: yes [12:20] That sounds sane. [12:20] so, i just want to make sure this is not a bad policy [12:20] for ubuntu/launchpad [12:20] and what's the best choice? -all or -members or what? [12:21] how about -contrib? [12:21] I don't know of a policy for this sort of thing. [12:21] -contributors, perhaps. [12:22] We have universe-contributors in Ubuntu. [12:44] ok, that sound good. thanks wgrant :) [12:58] i cannot update the +branding on edge [12:58] is it a temporary problem? === _[PUPPETS]Gonzo is now known as [PUPPETS]Gonzo [13:05] i cannot change anything on EDGE [13:05] i forgot how to turn off redirecting to edge [13:06] anyone can help me? [13:06] zwnj: Go to https://launchpad.net/ [13:06] zwnj: and click the "Disable redirection for 2 hours" link [13:06] yes, found that. thanks spiv === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [13:29] for the PPA hackers: intrepid PPA building support was just enabled, sources previously uploaded are being built (they are a lot). [13:30] i cannot change anything in the main site neither [13:30] cprov: ah good, so my poking worked. [13:30] is it my account, or a site problem? [13:31] Hobbsee: quite possibly, enjoy. [13:31] i will. [13:33] cprov: i got Status: "Failed to upload" for new builds. what that means? [13:34] zwnj: the binaries built do not fit the current archive context. See the bottom of the message you've received (upload log) for a more precise error message. [13:36] hi guys. can anybody help me with the translation tool? [13:36] oh, yes. it's Exception while accepting: The following files are already published in PPA for Behnam ZWNJ Esfahbod: bicon_0.2.0-1ubuntu0~ppa4_i386.deb [13:36] how to you update your translations from your code repo? [13:38] zwnj: right, typical rebuild attempt. Haven't you build the binaries in hardy and copied to intrepid ? [13:42] i have build for hardy, but i'm not sure about copying. was it possible throw launchpad? if yes, probably i did. [13:44] zwnj: that's what is said in your PPA page for the intrepid source " Copied from ubuntu hardy in PPA for Behnam ZWNJ Esfahbod" [13:45] right. thanks cprov. [13:45] zwnj: you are welcome. === mdz_ is now known as mdz === barry_ is now known as barry === ruiboon changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net | Next meeting, all welcome: Thu 5 June 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://he/j #bzrlp.launchpad.net | Questions and spam reports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com === andrea-bs changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net | Next meeting, all welcome: Thu 5 June 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Questions and spam reports: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com [14:46] it seems that everyone can change the channel topic [14:47] true. [14:47] and sounds good for me. [14:49] didnt realise that. sorry if i have accidentally change the topic [14:50] hmm.. this channel seems to be missing +t [14:51] by design. === EdwinGrub is now known as EdwinGrubbs [15:11] A lot of channels on Freenode aren't +t. [15:12] ruiboon: think of topics like wikis [15:13] Spads: i see. Thanks for the info [15:32] can someone help me here to move all pending/former members of one team, to another (new) one? === Guest71218 is now known as Rinchen [16:07] zwnj, isn't it easier to just rename the old one? === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [16:08] hi kiko [16:08] kiko: no, the first one is the official persian translation team [16:08] and the new one, is a team for contributors [16:09] unless, you change the team membership in ubuntu-translators [16:09] kiko: is that ok with you? [16:14] zwnj, that's what I was going to propose doing [16:14] however [16:14] do you understand the consequences of that change? [16:15] kiko: reviewing all previous translations? [16:15] i think i can add users one by one to prevent that [16:18] kiko: i'm adding members, and it's not as hard as i thought [16:18] kiko: thanks btw [16:19] zwnj, well, it means that anyone in that group will be able to add approved, official translations. [16:19] maybe that's what you want [16:19] but maybe it's not! [16:20] no, no [16:20] i'm cleaning up ubuntu-l10n-fa members, and moving them to ubuntu-l10n-fa-contributors, which is not a official translation team [16:21] i could swap their name, approve/reactivate all members of the new ubuntu-l10n-fa-contributors, and ask you to change the official on to new ubuntu-l10n-fa [16:21] gotcha. [16:21] but it's ok now [16:21] okay, great [16:22] zwnj, it's awesome that you are doing this, it's really something that all translation teams should do periodically [16:22] zwnj, maybe you could write up your experience to launchpad-users/ubuntu-translators when you're done? [16:23] kiko: sure. actually i'm making the l10n-fa team alive again, and i'll write about the whole process... [16:25] Jason Hamilton helped me to make the decisions [16:25] i'm not sure if i can find him here in irc [16:25] oops, i meant Jeroen Vermeulen [16:26] heh [16:26] the one and only jtv [16:26] and jt1 and jt2 I guess :) [16:43] hi jtv [17:02] a branch an other user made in my project appears in the projects overview... can I make it not appear there? I would make it abandoned but only that user has access to change the status of the branch [17:03] he did a little change months ago and hasnt developed anything further [17:11] luisbg, just mark it as abandoned [17:12] and update the whiteboard (tell him to contact you) [17:12] I cant mark it as abandoned [17:12] "You cannot upload to this branch." [17:13] even as project owner? interesting. abentley, what do you think? [17:14] kiko: I don't know what to think. [17:15] abentley, should he? [17:16] kiko: Personally, I think the project owner should have absolute power over how their project is displayed in Launchpad. That doesn't seem to be the Launchpad philosophy. [17:17] abentley, well, I don't know about absolute power, but I'm not discussion philosophy as much as practicality -- should the project owner be entitled to update metadata for project branches? [17:18] I'm not discussion! A for grammar [17:18] So, if you think they should have absolute power, the answer is yes. If you don't, the answer is no. [17:21] maybe not change metada of the project branch [17:21] just change which branches of my project appear and which not [17:22] luisbg: The fact that the branch is inactive should be enough to make it less and less visible. [17:23] abentley, not when the project has only 4 branches [17:23] abentley, by inactive do you mean no recent commits? [17:24] kiko: Yes. [17:25] it isnt the case [17:25] but if a project owner doesnt have this power [17:25] trolling could be really easy and annoying [17:26] luisbg, maybe just email the user and ask him to mark it abandoned if it is [17:26] I havent had any replies from the user [17:26] luisbg, I wonder if there's not a point to displaying the branch, though, since other users could actually pick that work up. too unlikely? [17:27] it was intender to be a code reordering of an old version [17:27] old enough to be in a different language than the current one [17:28] luisbg, I can mark it abandoned or obsolete if you like [17:28] so anybody picking that up would be unworth it [17:28] luisbg: I recall there being automatic branch hiding for very inactive branches. [17:28] abentley, define very inactive [17:28] I'm having trouble looking up the exact code, though. [17:28] abentley, :) [17:36] hello all [17:36] is the definition of 'top contributors' written down somewhere? (there isn't any help avail on that page.) [17:36] if I look at https://launchpad.net/pidgin/+topcontributors for example [17:37] It isn't clear to me just how someone got on the list. [17:37] it's by karma [17:38] so the karma events for the user in that project [17:38] I asked Jelmer, who is at number 2, and he didn't know for sure either although he guess he might have imported a branch from a [17:38] project site out there at some time. [17:38] ah, so if I go to the project site I should be able to see everyone listed [17:41] * danshearer searches for 'list karma events' or similar === mrevell is now known as mrevell-dinner === kiko is now known as kiko-fud === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [17:58] Nope, I can't find any kind of karma log [17:58] I got 'Show karma summary' under a user home page but that's it [17:58] what am I missing? [18:01] * danshearer is away: dinner [18:04] Hey, would anyone be able to tell me why I got a whole bunch of messages saying that packages in my ppa failed to upload. I have not uploaded anything recently... [18:07] rexbron: PPAs are building sources uploaded to intrepid. [18:07] cprov, ok, I suspected it might have something to do with me copying packages to intrepid before hand [18:07] rexbron: they have accumulated during the time it wasn't ready yet. [18:08] rexbron: exactly, if you have copied the corresponding binaries from hardy to intrepid the build result cannot be uploaded, thus the failure. === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === kiko-fud is now known as kiko [19:25] any launchpad admins here? [19:26] Ekushey, maybe. :) [19:27] kiko are you one? ;) [19:29] yes! [19:31] kiko, can i knock u on prv? [19:32] Ekushey, what's it about? I normally prefer questions to be asked on launchpad (see /topic) [19:33] i uploaded po files for translations on https://launchpad.net/rbl/ but it's not approved yet [19:33] is it possible to take a look at it? [19:33] Ekushey, it needs to be either danilo_ or jtv [19:34] oh ok [19:34] both are away right now [19:35] kiko can you tell me how long it usually takes to get it approved? [19:37] Ekushey, normally it's quite quick except for the first time [19:37] Ekushey, I could normally do this except I don't really know much about pofiles :-( [19:38] it's been over a week now [19:38] so that's why i was asking [19:39] kiko, there isn't anything wrong with the files... they are already checked [19:39] Ekushey, if you ping tomorrow at an earlier time I can definitely get them to look at it [19:39] what a cool logo [19:40] great, thanks, can you please tell me what time? [19:41] Ekushey, hmmmm [19:41] Ekushey, do you derive from Ubuntu? [19:41] Ekushey, about 5 hours earlier [19:42] ok sure [19:45] kiko yes that's the plan... xubuntu based distro in bengali [19:47] Ekushey, why don't you translate in ubuntu itself? [19:47] that way you don't need to fork language packs, etc [19:49] well right now our team members want to translate xfce first and make it available on the xfce site [19:53] they could do that through launchpad, too [19:54] kiko, yes, that's why i uploaded the xfce files [19:55] e.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xfce-mcs-plugins/+pots/xfce-mcs-plugins/bn/+translate [19:56] Ekushey, no, I mean the upstream xfce. or, in ubuntu, as mpt suggests. [19:56] Ekushey, there's little benefit to running those translations yourself [19:57] ok i'll talk with my friends === andrea-bs_ is now known as andrea-bs === emgent_ is now known as emgent === Ekushey is now known as microbuntu [22:25] boom, all builders are dead === abentle1 is now known as abentley [22:26] fta, they're being upgraded [22:28] oh === salgado is now known as salgado-afk