[04:40] <emgent> @schedule rome
[04:40] <emgent> ubot donw.. argh
[04:47] <persia> ﻿02 Jun 22:00 CET﻿: EMEA membership meeting | 04 Jun 18﻿:00 CET: LoCo Council | 05﻿ Jun 0:00 CET﻿ Kubuntu Team | 05 Jun 22:00 CET﻿: Security Team
[14:06] <Myrtti> @schedule Helsinki
[14:07]  * Pici hugs a bug
[14:33] <leoquant> @schedule Amsterdam
[16:46] <Seveas> ikonia, just a though: isn't there some nice stat on ubuntustats.org that you can link to, to quantify your contribution?
[16:47] <Seveas> Pici, same for you
[16:47] <Seveas> I'll leave a shout on your wikipage as well
[16:48] <Pici> Seveas: Thanks, and good to see you online again. (even though I did see you last week)
[17:03] <nixternal> @now
[17:03] <nixternal> @schedule
[18:13] <Seveas> glade88, heya
[18:13] <glade88> hi..
[18:13] <Seveas> I've read your wikipage, you should try and get some testimonials from forum staff and the wine team
[18:14] <Seveas> 'cause right now your page is a bit too thin on contributions
[18:14] <glade88> ok.. i shall try
[19:25] <nijaba> @schedule paris
[19:41] <stgraber> nijaba: Hi, I just had a quick look at your wiki page, your contributions look really good. But I think it'd be worth giving more details and also speaking more about you and your experience of Ubuntu.
[19:41] <stgraber> nijaba: some testimonials would be great too (shouldn't be a problem :))
[19:42] <Myrtti> @schedule helsinki
[19:42] <nijaba> stgraber: thanks, will update it a bit
[19:45] <Seveas> ah, nijaba is sneaky and added himself last minute
[19:46] <nijaba> Seveas: heh, I had been on the old council board since march :)
[19:46] <Seveas> fair enough :)
[19:46] <Seveas> but yeah, get a few more colleagues to write nice things on your page
[19:46] <ke|p> hi Seveas :)
[19:46] <Seveas> hey ke|p
[19:47] <Seveas> this time we'll *definitely* reach your application ;)
[19:47] <ke|p> hahaha yes
[19:48] <ke|p> I hope nobody has to go today, jeje
[19:50] <Seveas> well, we have 90 minutes for 11 candidates
[19:50] <Seveas> of which 2 are instant -1's due to no preparation :)
[19:51] <Seveas> (and no, those 2 aren't here yet, relax if you thought I meant you :p)
[19:52] <ke|p> the other day there were too many candidates :)
[19:52] <stgraber> that's what happens when the procedure is stuck for months :)
[19:52] <Seveas> stgraber, yup
[19:52] <Seveas> hey devfil
[19:52] <devfil> hi to all
[19:52] <devfil> :)
[19:53] <ke|p> :)
[19:53] <Seveas> I lost my irclogs this week, pity
[19:53] <Seveas> devfil, were you a candidate last week as well?
[19:54] <devfil> Seveas: yes
[19:55] <stgraber> Seveas: I follow you on those two -1 (way not enough info provided) so the list gets a bit shorter :)
[19:56] <Seveas> stgraber, :)
[19:56] <Syntux> @schedule Amman
[19:56] <Seveas> devfil, ah, I see 2 new cheers on your wikipage, not bad
[19:57] <Seveas> Need to dig the logs to see if that's all we thought was missing
[19:58] <Seveas> devfil, or didn't we even reach your application last week?
[19:58] <Seveas> logs seem not to mention it
[19:58] <devfil> Seveas: you didn't even reach my application
[19:59] <Seveas> that explains why I thought "why did we reject this, it looks good!"
[19:59] <devfil> Seveas: :) thanks
[20:00] <Seveas> stgraber, actually, I see a 3rd insant -1 for another reason :)
[20:01] <Seveas> but err, we shouldn't be gossiping in public :)
[20:01] <Myrtti> bad manners
[20:01] <Myrtti> tut tut
[20:01] <Myrtti> you're not getting your chocolate pudding for dessert tonight
[20:01] <juliux> hey Seveas
[20:01] <Seveas> Myrtti, well, then you're not getting approved tonight :p
[20:01] <Seveas> hey juliux
[20:01] <Myrtti> Seveas: pft.
[20:02] <Myrtti> wouldn't shatter my world.
[20:02] <juliux> Seveas: good to see you online again
[20:02] <Myrtti> I've had worse disappointments ;-)
[20:02] <juliux> \o/
[20:02] <Seveas> Myrtti, "pft" is exactly the condescending answer that stament needed :)
[20:02] <Seveas> juliux, :)
[20:03] <Myrtti> there's a saying in Wikipedia that being an admin shouldn't be a big deal
[20:03] <afflux> hi... I'm considerung to go for membership sooner or later. I (usually) do a lot of bug triaging. I also helped at the ubuntu booth in the german LinuxTag 2008 a week ago. Do you think this is sufficient, with some testimonials?
[20:03] <juliux> afflux: i can give you details about my bank account;9
[20:04] <Myrtti> lol
[20:04] <Seveas> afflux, write a wikipage summarizing it and come to the pre-meeting next time (I'll be here a few hours in advance) for a review
[20:04] <afflux> okay
[20:04] <afflux> thanks
[20:05] <juliux> afflux: ping me if you are going to the board;)
[20:05] <Myrtti> time for procrastinating this process with doing actual work.
[20:06] <Seveas> juliux, just add your testimonials to his page :)
[20:07] <juliux> Seveas: i will do that anyway;)
[20:07] <Syntux> juliux, if some people want to propose for establishing Ubuntu-Arabic team, should they propose it to the Community Council or EMEA LoCo council ?
[20:07] <juliux> Seveas: but i will see how you broil afflux ;)
[20:07] <Seveas> Syntux, neither
[20:07] <Seveas> Syntux, the emea membership board does memberships
[20:08] <Syntux> Seveas, to Microsoft then?
[20:08] <Pici> afflux: If you arent sure if you want to apply or not, try watching over one of these membership meetings, it gives you a good idea of whats expected
[20:08] <Seveas> the loco council (note the absence of emea in that name) does locoteams
[20:08] <Seveas> Syntux, heh ;)
[20:08] <afflux> Pici: will do that
[20:08] <Syntux> Seveas, :-)
[20:08] <juliux> Syntux: come tot he loco council
[20:08] <juliux> Syntux: but give us sometime;)
[20:08] <juliux> the queue of issues is long
[20:08] <Syntux> juliux, Ok then I'll remove it from the CC and add it to the LCC.
[20:09] <Seveas> juliux, you're LCC?
[20:09] <juliux> Syntux: if we think we can't handle it we will give it back to the cc;)
[20:09] <juliux> Seveas: yes
[20:09] <Seveas> ah, nice
[20:09] <nijaba> stgraber: I've updated my page a bit, let me know what you think.
[20:09] <juliux> Seveas: see https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-lococouncil
[20:10] <Syntux> juliux, for the sake of time saving, would you please check the /talk of it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda/talk this should give a clear idea if I should propose it to LCC or CC.
[20:11] <Syntux> Seveas, any comment on my wiki? or you don't comment here?
[20:11] <Seveas> Syntux, I don't see you on the list for today :)
[20:11] <juliux> Syntux: mom
[20:12] <Syntux> Seveas, and probably you wont ever see me on the list :-)
[20:12] <juliux> Syntux: i think we can handle it on the LCC
[20:12] <Seveas> Syntux, hm?
[20:12] <Syntux> juliux, lovely, danke :-)
[20:13] <juliux> Syntux: you are welcome
[20:13] <Syntux> Seveas, I'm invisible.
[20:13] <Seveas> Syntux, can you fly too? ^_^
[20:14] <Syntux> Seveas, been in two out of body experience.
[20:15] <Seveas> for your amusement until the meeting:
[20:15] <Seveas> http://www.spokenring.com/numa-numa-english.php
[20:15] <devfil> Volans: hi!
[20:16] <Seveas> hey Volans
[20:16] <Volans> Hi all, hi devfil :)
[20:24] <Syntux> Seveas, Ok added myself although I can predict that you wont reach my application today.
[20:24] <Seveas> Syntux, way too late for adding -- please remove
[20:24] <Seveas> it's half an hour before the meeting, you're supposed to give us enough time to read the page and prepare :)
[20:25] <Syntux> owii
[20:25] <Syntux> can't I keep it to reserve the first seat for the next meeting?
[20:25] <Seveas> hehe
[20:26] <Syntux> you know, sitting on the first seat in a bus doesn't mean you will arrive first.
[20:26] <Seveas> we'll just decline you again
[20:26] <Seveas> :P
[20:26] <ompaul> looks like ikiona is in work
[20:26] <ompaul> ikonia, even
[20:26] <Seeker`> could he not keep himself on the list with a note saying "not this week"?
[20:27] <Seeker`> ompaul: when isn't he?
[20:27] <ompaul> hehe
[20:27] <Seveas> ikonia told me he'd be there
[20:28] <Syntux> Seveas, yeah I know it's personal
[20:28] <Syntux> Seveas, because I can fly ;)
[20:28] <Seeker`> Syntux: if you are sitting on the front seat of the bus, and you aren't the first one to arrive (other than the driver), then the driver is seriously doin git wrong
[20:28] <Seveas> Syntux, yes, when you teach me how to do that, I'll approve you :)
[20:28] <Seveas> Seeker`, busdrivers here in NL are on strike
[20:28] <Seveas> so sitting in the front seat gets you f*ing nowhere :)
[20:28] <Schwitzd> Hi all!
[20:29] <Syntux> Seveas, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience
[20:29] <Seeker`> Seveas: Still, if anyone sitting behind you on the bus gets there first, there is still something seriously wrong with the way the bus is travelling
[20:29] <Syntux> Seveas, you have to dislocate your shoulder and then you have to go to an open repair surgery, once you are done they have to give you pethidine and then you can fly.
[20:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, it could be reversing into the parking lot
[20:30] <Seeker`> when you are in the car park, I count that as arrived
[20:30] <Syntux> true
[20:32] <Seveas> Syntux, I thought the knack was falling and missing the ground
[20:32] <juliux> hey ompaul
[20:32] <Seveas> And those of you who did not get that reference don't deserve to be ubuntu members :p
[20:32] <ompaul> juliux, hi there
[20:33] <Syntux> Seveas, hehe
[20:33] <Seveas> come on candidates, what did that refer to?
[20:33] <Seveas> first one to get it right gets bonus points :)
[20:34] <ScottK> That one it quite easy.  I even used it at UDS.
[20:34] <Myrtti> HHGTG
[20:34] <Seveas> Myrtti gets a cookie!
[20:34] <Volans> Seveas: how about the procedure? I have only to do a brief presentation linking my wiki page?
[20:34] <Seveas> noe she needs to learn how to spell hhgttg :)
[20:34] <Seveas> Volans, a 3-line intro should do
[20:35] <Myrtti> Seveas: sorry, was typing LaTeX
[20:35] <Myrtti> now where do I have that threeliner
[20:35] <Seveas> you should still have it from last week
[20:35] <Syntux> Seveas, seriously check my wiki and tell me if I have to keep it for the next week or I should forgot about the whole thingy and go get donuts
[20:35] <Myrtti> yeah, I do
[20:35] <Seveas> donuts is a good idea anyway
[20:35] <Seveas> bring me two
[20:36] <Myrtti> I remember dozing off and saving it just in case I fall asleep and miss my call
[20:36] <Seveas> Syntux, for the record: I've seen you around before and from the mails from matthew it's become clear to me that you deserve a +1
[20:36]  * ompaul sends Seveas a towel
[20:36] <Seveas> it just needs to be documented properly :)
[20:36] <Seveas> ompaul, soak it in some nutrients will ya
[20:36] <Seveas> and BBQ sauce
[20:36] <ompaul> k
[20:37] <Syntux> Seveas, Ok, I will hire a graphic designer for my wiki
[20:37] <Seveas> Syntux, haha
[20:37] <Myrtti> Seveas: teriyaki or sweet and sour
[20:37] <Syntux> Seeker`, if the chicken were in bus we wouldn't still thinking of which came first.
[20:37] <Myrtti> Seveas: i've got some great lemon-ginger bbq sauce
[20:38] <Seveas> Syntux, nice wikipage
[20:38] <Seveas> +1 from me
[20:38] <Syntux> Seveas, you love photos, I know it.
[20:38] <Seveas> and flying
[20:38] <Seveas> and donuts :)
[20:39] <Syntux> Seveas, and btw the Americas team did nice thing, they deffer applications for messy wikis and gave them a chance to fix things instead of declining them
[20:39] <Syntux> Which means, I'm the first today.
[20:40] <Seveas> Syntux, that's probably fair-er indeed
[20:40] <Seveas> I think we should do that too, if the candidate actually spent time on his wikipage in the first place
[20:41] <Seveas> (we have 2 candidates this time with empty pages)
[20:41] <juliux> \o/
[20:41] <Syntux> Deal, I'm the first today then.
[20:41] <Syntux> so relatively speaking I'm a king compared to them.
[20:42] <Seveas> you're still last
[20:42] <Seveas> we declined you last time, can't take that back :p
[20:43] <Syntux> Seveas, you should have deferred it, it wasn't a declination as in "go to hell or get win95 cert and come back!" it was fix your messy wiki.
[20:43] <Syntux> we need to agree on certain terminology.
[20:43] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[20:43] <Seveas> I think I can agree with "go to hell" :)
[20:43] <Syntux> Seveas, in that bus?
[20:44] <effie_jayx> @now
[20:44] <Syntux> @yesterday_as_in_tomorrow
[20:44] <Syntux> sorry but been watching the season four of LOST and I lost the sense of time.
[20:45] <Styxas> @schedule
[20:45] <Seveas> Syntux, check the agenda :)
[20:45] <Syntux> Seveas, that's Styxas not Syntux
[20:46] <Seveas> heh
[20:46] <Seveas> wiki is slow :/
[20:46] <juliux> is this a new news?
[20:46] <Syntux> Seveas, I can recommend an ophthalmologist.
[20:46] <Seveas> juliux, well, it's slower than usual today
[20:47] <Syntux> The Council don't want to pay for speeding tickets anymore.
[20:47] <juliux> Seveas: i need 2 days to get the 5-a-day branch;9
[20:47] <Seveas> juliux, wiki, not code.lp.net :p0
[20:49] <Syntux> black magic worked! dandy
[20:50] <Seveas> Syntux, now where are my donuts?
[20:50] <Myrtti> /me plans to bake oatmeal cookies for Pricey
[20:50] <Syntux> Seveas, where are you from btw?
[20:50] <Seveas> Syntux, golgafrincham
[20:51] <Syntux> Seveas, we are neighbors then
[20:52] <Seveas> Syntux, you're a telephone sanitizer?
[20:52] <Syntux> Seveas, I'm a DialWord.
[20:53] <juliux> Syntux: lol
[20:53] <Syntux> :D
[20:53] <Syntux> Seveas, anyway, are you sure you want Middle Eastern donuts?
[20:54] <Seveas> Syntux, there are too many politically incorrect jokes I can make right now, it just wouldn't be funny
[20:54] <Seveas> but yeah, I'd like a donut :)
[20:54] <Syntux> Seveas, I'll laugh anyway.
[20:55] <Syntux> Seveas, in jokes, it does not matter if it's politically correct or not.
[20:57] <Seveas> depends on where and when you tell them
[20:57] <Seveas> I wouldn't tell bad WWII jokes anywhere near a german I like
[20:57] <Syntux> Seveas, then you don't want to know what I did with my jew friends at the airport LOL
[20:58] <Seveas> Syntux, well, in pm maybe :(
[20:58] <Seveas> err, that should be a :) not a :(
[20:58] <Syntux> :-)
[20:58] <forumsmatthew> Sorry, Morocco went to daylight savings time for the first time in 30 years and I am a bit confused...am I late?
[20:59] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, just in tie
[20:59] <Seveas> time*
[20:59] <forumsmatthew> woo hoo!
[20:59] <Seveas> Hello member candidates! The EMEA board meeting will start soon. Please open a text-editor and prepare a 3-line intro about yourself which you can paste when it's your turn. Good luck everyone!
[20:59] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, PriceChild, popey, stgraber - yell
[21:00] <nealmcb> Seveas: good job on helping folks prepare!!
[21:00] <forumsmatthew> aaaaaaaa
[21:00]  * stgraber waves
[21:00] <Syntux> Yes, he helped us in warming up.
[21:00] <Syntux> and stretching.
[21:00] <Seveas> we seem to be missing phanatic
[21:00] <Pici> Syntux: I was *just* going to say the stretching bit.
[21:00] <Myrtti> /me considers yet again to start an editor war to lighten up the atmosphere
[21:01] <PriceChild> I'm here
[21:01] <Seveas> markvandenborre unfortunately cannot make it, there were some personal issues getting in the way
[21:01]  * nijaba waves
[21:01] <Myrtti> oh dear, I was lost in the backlogland
[21:02] <Seveas> nealmcb, thanks
[21:03] <Seveas> anyone here who can send popey a non-maskable interrupt to the butt?
[21:03] <Seveas> or phanatic for that matter
[21:03] <Myrtti> /me gives Seveas her pink furry pen for poking
[21:04] <Seveas> where's Hobbsee when we need her
[21:05] <popey> moo
[21:05] <Seveas> hey butt
[21:05]  * popey thanks Daviey for the NMI
[21:05] <Daviey> heh
[21:05] <Seveas> :)
[21:06] <lukehasnoname> how often are new members approved?
[21:06] <Seveas> lukehasnoname, each regional board is supposed to meet weekly
[21:06] <Seveas> we don't guarantee that that will happen, but the frequency should be much higher than when only the CC approved
[21:06] <juliux> hi Daviey
[21:06] <Daviey> juliux: hello sir!
[21:07] <Seveas> popey, forumsmatthew, PriceChild, stgraber: I suggest we wait for phanatic until 22:10 and then just start
[21:07] <stgraber> works for me
[21:07] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, , that is fine with me
[21:08] <Seveas> @now
[21:08] <Seveas> make that :13, give him a few minutes :)
[21:08] <Seveas> ubottu and my clock are a bit out of sync
[21:08] <stgraber> uhm, is ntp installed on this server ? :) it's :08
[21:08] <Syntux> lol
[21:08] <Seveas> stgraber, ask jussi01 :)
[21:09]  * PriceChild blames jussi01 
[21:09] <Myrtti> Blame Cana... ohnvm
[21:09] <Seveas> Myrtti, you're looking for the americas board :)
[21:10] <Seveas> brb, work phone
[21:12] <Seveas> ok, nagios is silenced and phanatic is officially late.
[21:12] <Seveas> Let's start
[21:12] <popey> ok
[21:12] <forumsmatthew> all set
[21:12] <Seveas> We made a mistake last time
[21:13] <Seveas> let me get some scrollback, hang on
 Seveas, and btw the Americas team did nice thing, they deffer applications for messy wikis and gave them a chance to fix things instead of declining them
[21:13] <Seveas> phanatic, !
[21:13] <phanatic> good evening. sorry, i've just arrived at home...
[21:13] <phanatic> i'll try to catch up
[21:13] <forumsmatthew> glad you are here!
[21:13] <forumsmatthew> we just started
[21:13] <Seveas> I think the americas board did the right thing and retroactively put Syntux on top of the agenda to the position where he was
[21:14] <Seveas> does anyone disagree with this way of handling "messy wikis"? It makes sense to me and the CC used to do this as well
[21:14] <stgraber> makes sense
[21:15] <Myrtti> hum
[21:15] <forumsmatthew> I think it sounds like a very good idea and a kind way to deal with the issue
[21:15] <Seveas> I want to set one condition: the candidate must have spent some time on the wikipage before the first meeting
[21:15] <Seveas> so it should not look like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shezif (one of the current candidates)
[21:16] <forumsmatthew> agreed on that point
[21:16] <stgraber> +1
[21:16] <PriceChild> Sounds like a plan.
[21:16] <nealmcb> You run the risk of folks not putting as much effort in the first time if there is no consequence - I'd suggest putting such apps at the bottom of the list - that's what happened to me :)
[21:17] <nealmcb> not that that is much of a consequence....
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> perhaps we can leave ourselves some leeway on that, and let it depend on how much obvious effort has been put into what is there
[21:17] <Seveas> nealmcb, the preparation meetings I've done the last two weeks really show how much people have been prepared (or not)
[21:17] <dsas> Is the list of applicants that big that it really matters?
[21:17] <Syntux> and I suggest voting +1 for me, else you will have to face me every week on the top on your agenda.
[21:17] <ompaul> forumsmatthew, you really should have it binary, and defer and then reject if not worked on
[21:17] <Seveas> dsas, sometimes it is
[21:18] <Daviey> with weekly meetings, it shouldn;t matter if at the top or bottom imo
[21:18] <Seveas> dsas, but it's more "rejct vs defer"
[21:18] <nealmcb> the biggest advantage of a top spot is predictability of when you'll come up
[21:18] <Seveas> as in "no" or "looking good, but needs some work, come back next time"
[21:19] <Seveas> so, let's start with the candidates. Syntux you're up!
[21:19] <forumsmatthew> welcome back!
[21:19] <Seveas> (If anyone objects against me chairing/being secretary, yell!)
[21:19] <Syntux> Thanks :-)
[21:19] <popey> deja vu
[21:19] <popey> OBJECTION!
[21:20] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, you are doing a good job, and I'm glad to have you do it
[21:20] <Seveas> popey is now secretary
[21:20] <popey> eek
[21:20] <forumsmatthew> lol
[21:20] <Syntux> Nothing has changed but more photos and certs - enjoy checking my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Syntux
[21:20] <popey> objection withdrawn
[21:20] <Syntux> lol
[21:20] <forumsmatthew> I have also spent a good amount of time with Syntux this week talking about his accomplishments, etc
[21:20] <Seveas> I've seen the page already -- it shows more "evidence" than last time and makes me much more comfortable to give a +1
[21:20] <Syntux> and of course, testimonials (they get free pizza for it)
[21:20] <Seveas> and matthews mails helped as well
[21:20] <Seveas> so, +1
[21:21] <popey> heheh@free pizza
[21:21]  * Syntux counting the pluses 
[21:21] <forumsmatthew> +1
[21:21] <popey> +1
[21:21] <phanatic> +1
[21:21] <Syntux> owi
[21:21] <stgraber> +1
[21:22] <Syntux> one more?
[21:22] <Seveas> PriceChild, what's the verdict? Will we see him again next week or is he ok?
[21:22]  * forumsmatthew nudges PriceChild 
[21:22] <PriceChild> +1 :D
[21:22] <forumsmatthew> mabrook!!
[21:22] <popey> tease
[21:22] <Syntux> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[21:22] <PriceChild> Sorry, just being nosey looking through the photos
[21:22] <Seveas> excellent
[21:22] <Seveas> Volans, you're up now
[21:22] <Seveas> paste your 3-liner please
[21:22] <Syntux> Thanks guys :-)
[21:22] <Volans> Hi all, I'm a 26 years old Italian Ubuntu enthusiast involved in the Ubuntu Italian Community since Dec 2005. (my wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Volans )
[21:22] <Volans> Since May 2007 I'm an Admin of the official Ubuntu-it Forum (over 1.2M posts, 1.5K topics and 43K users) (my forum's profile page http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2488 )
[21:22] <Volans> I have also developed a Firefox Extension (Ubuntu-it Menu) for a quick browse of Ubuntu-it community resources and also of some resources of other Ubuntu communities.
[21:22] <Volans> This extension is also available as an official Ubuntu package (for Hardy) in the universe repository. (thanks to DktrKranz and asac )
[21:23] <Volans> sorry 4 lines... :)
[21:23] <totopalma> I would like to sponsor Volans for his membership, he is a great admin of the Ubuntu Italian Forum. His work on the Italian forum is invaluable.
[21:23] <Schwitzd> Volans is a great forum admin, he is behind the new layout of the forum, a very active user
[21:24] <forumsmatthew> I want to approve him just because of his picture on Launchpad
[21:24] <Seveas> +1 based on long-time loco work and big contributions there
[21:24] <DktrKranz> Volans is one of our heroic forum administrator, his activities are invaluable for our comminity
[21:24] <warp10> A big +1 for Volans from me, he is a valuable help for the Italian community and I would be happy to see him as a member!
[21:24] <forumsmatthew> +1, for better reasons, after reading his wiki and testimonials
[21:24] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, neh, reminds me of popey too much
[21:25] <phanatic> +1, very positive (and a lot of) testimonials
[21:25] <Volans> my image on LP is made from another Ubuntu-it member, see my Italian wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Volans
[21:25] <popey> Volans: what do you find yourself spending most time on in the forums?
[21:26] <Volans> popey: what do you mean ? (sorry my english is far from perfect)
[21:26] <popey> do you spend more time: moderating, asking questions, answering questions...?
[21:26] <Seveas> popey, PriceChild: can you also please add your availability to the doodle for next meeting?
[21:27] <Volans> ah ok, at first was answering questions as normal user, after as a moderator answering questions and moderating and doing bash script for people requesting it
[21:27] <popey> :), what problems do you get on your forums?
[21:28] <Volans> now as administrator I spent most of the time on the forum code, DB backup and as I can answering questions and moderating
[21:28] <popey> e.g. do you get people suggesting "sudo rm -rf *" and the like?
[21:28] <ke|p> xDD
[21:28] <devfil> lol
[21:28] <Schwitzd> ahaha
[21:28] <PriceChild> Volans: What involvement do you have with the LoCo other than the forums/wiki?
[21:28] <ompaul>  /me bans popey
[21:28] <Volans> yes of course as all *nix like forums... but we moderate them adding big alerts
[21:28] <Myrtti> I considered doing !danger
[21:28] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:29] <stgraber> popey: don't mention it, it'll be logged and spread all over the internet :) (and you will kill hundreds of systems)
[21:29] <popey> meh
[21:29] <popey> Volans: how many moderators/admins do you have?
[21:29] <Volans> PriceChil:D italian loco?
[21:29] <PriceChild> ke|p: devfil Schwitzd you laugh... but a couple of determined trolls can cause chaos on ubuntuforums.org in a few minutes with that :)
[21:29] <Volans> popey: 4 admins and about 16 moderator
[21:29] <popey> cool
[21:29] <popey> sounds like you've built a nice community there.
[21:29] <ke|p> sure
[21:30] <popey> looks good, +1 from me
[21:30] <devfil> PrinceChild: this is a serious problem
[21:30] <stgraber> +1 here too
[21:30] <PriceChild> I'm +1 too.
[21:30] <Volans> yes is quite big community in respect of the total population speaking italian (about 70-100 M people)
[21:30] <Seveas> 6 +'es it is
[21:30] <Seveas> congratulations Volans!
[21:30] <popey> well done Volans
[21:30] <PriceChild> Volans: go find your part in the 'future' part of you wiki ;)
[21:31] <Seveas> ikonia seems to be late
[21:31] <devfil> Volans: you rock!
[21:31] <Hattory> Volans: congrats ;)
[21:31] <forumsmatthew> congratulations
[21:31] <Volans> Thenks you very much, I'm embarassed... :D
[21:31] <Seveas> ke|p, so you're up now -- we'll process ikonia (slice and dice) when he arrives
[21:31] <ke|p> ok
[21:31] <warp10> congrats Volans! ;)
[21:31] <Schwitzd> Volans: :D :D
[21:31] <ke|p> first of all, sorry about my english, it's a little poor
[21:31] <forumsmatthew> no hay problema
[21:31] <ke|p> my tree lines:
[21:31] <ke|p> My name is Natacha Menjibar, I'm 30 years old. I'm admin of the ubuntu-es LoCo Team for 1 year and 2 months. I contributte to ubuntu setting-up the spanish documentation site http://doc.ubuntu-es.org, improving the Ubuntu Spanish Documentation and also in the cooperation between spanish speaking LoCo Teams, avoid duplicate works.
[21:31] <ke|p> Also I want to focus my contributions in the user education of the importance of Free Software, not only on the technical aspects of Ubuntu. I think is very important that people know about the importance of the community, the Free Software, licenses, etc.
[21:31] <RicardoPerez> ke|p: sure better than mine :)
[21:32] <totopalma> vojtech_t, \o/
[21:32] <totopalma> ops
[21:32] <totopalma> Volans, \o/
[21:32] <ke|p> My wiki page is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kelp
[21:32] <effie_jayx> I am here to put in a word for Natasha Menjibar (ke|lp). She has been a ver active member of the spanish documentation team, she has been a true leader and has led to the reactivation of an idea that initially had gone astray. She was the motivating force behind doc.ubuntu-es.org and she is pushing forward towards integration of all spanish-speaking LoCo's.
[21:32] <effie_jayx> i meant ke|p.
[21:32] <PriceChild> FYI I'm going to use the 'Pricey' nick, lag issues this evening on this one.
[21:33] <Seveas> what's the cupie project about?
[21:33] <Seveas> my spanish isn't good enough to read the description
[21:33] <ke|p> talks on irc about ubuntu and free software
[21:33] <ke|p> the channel is #cupie
[21:34] <popey> some good support you have there ke|p
[21:34] <jpds> I would like to say that ke|p has been great fun to work with on ubuntu-es and I fully support her membership.
[21:34] <popey> on the strength of that, +1 from me
[21:34] <jpds> Seveas: it's kind of like #ubuntu-classroom for Spanish speakers
[21:34] <Seveas> popey, yeah, that's impressed me as well
[21:34] <popey> especially from people I recognise already
[21:35] <Seveas> that and the wikipage gets my +1
[21:35] <phanatic> +1 (very good testimonials)
[21:35] <forumsmatthew> wow...I just read through the wiki and all the links. A big +1 from me
[21:35] <stgraber> +1, wikipage + testimonials
[21:35] <ke|p> :D
[21:35] <Seveas> Pricey, what's your score?
[21:36] <ikonia> hello
[21:36] <ikonia> apologies for being late
[21:36] <Seveas> hey ikonia
[21:36] <ikonia> my laptop PSU is dead
[21:36] <ikonia> I've had to drive back to the office to get a new one
[21:36] <ikonia> spare one
[21:36] <Pricey> +1 too, great testimonials, tis all good :)
[21:36] <ikonia> apologies
[21:37] <jpds> fecilidades ke|p!
[21:37] <forumsmatthew> felicitaciones, ke|p
[21:37] <Seveas> ke|p, congrats!
[21:37] <Pricey> I've got no excuse for being slow any longer with the alt client...
[21:37] <effie_jayx> ke|p, Felicitaciones, en hora buena... congrats
[21:37] <RicardoPerez> ke|p: felicidades!
[21:37] <popey> congrats ke|p, keep up the great work!
[21:37] <Seveas> vojtech_t, you're up
[21:37] <ke|p> thanks! thanks!
[21:37] <ke|p> i love this project
[21:37] <vojtech_t> My name is Vojtech Trefny, I'm 20 years old, living in Czech Republic (Prague), ubuntu user since Dapper.
[21:37] <Volans> congratulations ke|p
[21:37] <Seveas> ikonia, you're up after vojtech_t, please prepare your 3-line intro
[21:37] <vojtech_t> I'm LoCo Team Contact for Czech team and majority of my contribution is adherent to our LoCo team - helping users at our forum (admin here), writing documentation, leading the team etc. I'm also active in launchpad answers (about 36k karma here).
[21:37] <ikonia> thank you
[21:38] <Pricey> uu a testimonial from the elusive jenda, can't have been easy finding him! :)
[21:38] <vojtech_t> :-)
[21:39] <Seveas> 36k karma on answers...
[21:39] <phanatic> pretty impressive
[21:39] <Seveas> vojtech_t, how many answers do you provide per week?
[21:39] <vojtech_t> really don't know
[21:39] <Seveas> phanatic, well, answer tracker does give generous karma
[21:39] <Pricey> vojtech_t, do you have a direct link to your forums profile or is access closed for that?
[21:39] <Seveas> I still don't know how generous
[21:39] <popey> wiki page url?
[21:39] <stgraber> vojtech_t: were you at last FOSSCamp/UDS ?
[21:39] <phanatic> Seveas: yes, we've seen last week how tricky karma can be :)
[21:40] <Seveas> vojtech_t, 10, 50, 100? just a rough estimate
[21:40] <vojtech_t> My forum profile:  http://forum.ubuntu.cz/index.php?action=profile;u=1331
[21:40] <popey> Seveas: you can get that from their lp page
[21:40] <vojtech_t> Seveas: about 10-30
[21:40] <phanatic> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VojtěchTrefný
[21:40] <popey> thanks
[21:40] <Pricey> 1331... so close
[21:41] <Seveas> Pricey, you will be shot for that :0
[21:41] <Seveas> :p
[21:41] <stgraber> Pricey: ...
[21:41] <Pricey> Seveas, what did I do? :O
[21:41] <popey> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~vojtech.trefny is impressive
[21:41] <forumsmatthew> agreed
[21:41] <Daviey> vojtech_t: were you at this years UDS/Fosscamp?
[21:41] <vojtech_t> No.
[21:42] <Seveas> I'm going for +1 based on longevity of forum contributions, amount of answers and a testimonial from Jenga
[21:42] <popey> based on the body of work in lp answers and testimonials, +1 from me
[21:42] <forumsmatthew> +1
[21:42] <phanatic> +1
[21:42] <stgraber> very active in LP answers and great testimonials, +1 from me too
[21:42] <Pricey> +1 too, keep it up!
[21:42] <Seveas> that makes 6 +'es again
[21:43] <Seveas> we have some excellent meat today
[21:43] <Seveas> congrats vojtech_t!
[21:43] <Seveas> ikonia, you're up
[21:43] <Pricey> maybe we should be tough on the next one?
[21:43] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!!
[21:43] <vojtech_t> Thank you!
[21:43] <Seveas> Pricey, yes, good idea
[21:43] <forumsmatthew> Pricey, well he was late. :)
[21:43] <ikonia> Hi, I'm Matt Darcy, I've been working with ubuntu for around 3 years now, but been in the open source arena on multiple projects for 10+ years now (only just worked out how long). I'm trying to diversify the projects I work with and Ubuntu is one that I believe I could benifit from so I feel it appropriate to formalise being a community member. I'm a keen user of the support resouces and attempt to provide as much information to all levels of us
[21:43] <ikonia> (that looked like 3 lines when I typed it - it looks longer now - sorry)
[21:44] <Pricey> ikonia, you were cut off at "all levels of u"
[21:44] <Myrtti> ikonia: and you got cut off
[21:44] <ikonia> fantastic
[21:44] <ikonia> user where possible, but I'd like to now start to push forward contributions
[21:44] <ikonia> to the ubuntu "product" in particular the server group where I feel I could add some
[21:44] <Seveas> There's one problem with Ikonia's application
[21:44] <ikonia> real value. I'm keen to participate beyond what I do now, and see being a community
[21:44] <ikonia> member as the next logical step
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[21:44] <popey> +1
[21:44] <Seveas> he's done amazing work in the IRC community (see testimonials from both Pricey and myself on the wikipage)
[21:45] <Seveas> but it's really hard to quantify and qualify IRC contributions
[21:45] <Seveas> so please trust me when I say: ikonia rocks!
[21:45] <popey> (based on being aware of ikonias work)
[21:45] <Myrtti> ♥
[21:45] <Myrtti> ikonia does rock
[21:45] <Seveas> 'cause you can't find proper evidence :)
[21:45] <forumsmatthew> well, I'm a bit skeptical of the testimonials, but since his name is Matt, +1
[21:45] <popey> ikonia: you've possibly sold yourself short
[21:45] <Pici> The Ubuntu Ircstats page is no longer online, sadly.
[21:45] <jpds> I would like to cheer ikonia, he has done some great work on IRC, and has some interesting ideas for the server team, I support his membership request :)
[21:45] <Seveas> Does anyone know the status of the ubuntuircstats site?
[21:45] <forumsmatthew> ;)
[21:45]  * elky cheers for ikonia
[21:46] <ikonia> kind words, appriciated
[21:46] <Seveas> I lost all my irc logs this week in a harddrive crash :(
[21:46] <Myrtti> recently he went through the whole bot factoid database (too bad we've been a tad busy with the bots)
[21:46] <Myrtti> ikonia is wonderful.
[21:46] <Daviey> Seveas: ubuntuircstats == he couldn't afford the hosting IIRC
[21:47] <phanatic> +1. testimonials from two board members is enough for me :)
[21:47] <Seeker`> ikonia: has been a great help as far as I can see
[21:47] <Seeker`> he provides support to a lot of users in #ubuntu
[21:47] <Seeker`> and has been very useful in pointing out trolls / problem users to thew ops team
[21:47] <stgraber> +1. based on testimonials too
[21:47] <Seveas> Pricey, I don't think it's a surprise we both go for +1 as well, is it?
[21:48] <Pricey> +1 yep :)
[21:48] <ikonia> I've only just seen the additional testamonials due to being off line, appriciated
[21:48] <Seveas> excellent, welcome to the dark side ikonia!
[21:48] <ikonia> thank you
[21:48] <Seveas> congrats!
[21:48] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!!
[21:48] <Seveas> devfil, you're up
[21:48] <Seeker`> congratumalations ikonia !
[21:48] <devfil> Hi! My name is Devid Antonio Filoni. I'm a sixteen italian student. I'm an Ubuntu user from December 2006 with Ubuntu 6.10 "The Edgy Eft". I'm helping on italian translations of packages (using Rosetta) or website pages, I write for the Italian Newsletter (Italian UWN) and I do packages, patchs, etc... I will try to become MOTU to helping on packaging activities and I will also work to some packages in Debian (f
[21:48] <devfil> or example, I want to work at wxwidgets2.8 package) to improve it and so to improve Ubuntu. I will continue to help on improving Ubuntu better as I can.
[21:48] <Myrtti> grats ikonia
[21:48] <totopalma> I would like to sponsor Devid for his membership, he is a very hard worker and a good MOTU contributor. I'm on charge of Ubuntu Italian Promoters and [WWW] Italian Newsletter is a project of the team. Devid does a great job as writer for the Newsletter. His work on the Italian Community is invaluable.
[21:49] <DktrKranz> Recently, Devid started his journey in MOTU Land, he pushed excellent contributions into the archives (including some high-difficult packages such as wxwidgets2.8, which required three MOTUs to be sure everything was OK, and it was!). He is very active in early Intrepid development cycle, and his patches have been top-notch. He really deserves to be Ubuntu Member.
[21:49] <popey> devfil: what stage are you at with MOTU?
[21:49] <warp10> devfil has fixed a lot of small bugs and is a great addition to the Italian Loco Team. Definitely a big +1 from me!
[21:49] <devfil> popey: I'm learning, I requested a mentor and I'm progressing
[21:49] <popey> devfil: what method did you use to learn?
[21:50] <Schwitzd> I would like to sponsor Devid for all the work he does for the Italian Newsletter. His work in the Italian Community is simply great!
[21:50] <Seveas> DktrKranz, how recent is recently
[21:50] <popey> i.e. how did you improve your knowledge?
[21:50] <Hattory> I would like to sponsor Devid for his membership, he is a very hard worker and a good MOTU contributor. He's involved in Ubuntu Italian Translator Team too and he's doing a good job. His work on the Italian community is very very good!
[21:50] <devfil> popey: asking or reading guides, or looking at similar bugs
[21:50] <Volans> devfil is a great member of the italian developers team helping on packaging
[21:50] <Pricey> devfil, your motu work seems to dominate your application, is there any reason you've come to us rather than going for the universe contributors route?
[21:50] <Seveas> hmm, testimonials from both Hattory and DktrKranz on motuness. sounds promising :)
[21:50] <DktrKranz> Seveas, he was active in hardy, but during last two months was very present and active :)
[21:51] <popey> based on the testimonials here in channel, +1 from me.
[21:51] <Seveas> devfil, what do you think you spend most time on? MOTU or the italian team?
[21:51] <forumsmatthew> popey, I agree. the amount of people speaking on his behalf, and the kind words I am hearing are wonderful. +1
[21:51] <devfil> Pricey: I don't know, I'm working and I will continue, I don't know where I will come
[21:52] <devfil> Seveas: MOTU activities
[21:52] <Seveas> devfil, now you're giving me a hard time
[21:52] <Seveas> all the loco contributions make me say "+1"
[21:52] <Seveas> but if you do more MOTU then loco, you should go to the motu council for approval
[21:53] <Seveas> other board members, what's your take on this?
[21:53] <nealmcb> I think you should approve him if you think the loco stuff is enough.  he'll have to get motu approval to do that specific thing, but shouldn't be held up if he's done enough already
[21:53] <popey> i'm not tooooo fussed how someone gets their membership
[21:53] <devfil> Seveas: I will, sure, but I want to be ready to motu council
[21:53] <phanatic> i agree with nealmcb here
[21:54] <forumsmatthew> you know, if we are able to determine a candidate is making a real and sustained contribution, I'm happy to approve
[21:54] <Daviey> If you ignore the MOTU stuff, has he done enough for the LoCo to justify membership on it'sown grounds?
[21:54] <Seeker`> For what it is worth, i think that if he has done enough to warrent membership based on loco stuff, then the fact that they also do motu stuff shouldn't be an issue
[21:54] <popey> agreed Seeker`
[21:54] <devfil> Seveas: I'm working hard in MOTU and in italian community
[21:54] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, that's exactly the answer I've been looking for, thanks for being faster than my brain :)
[21:54] <Seveas> +1
[21:54] <phanatic> +1
[21:54] <stgraber> I'd redirect to the MOTU council only when we can't evaluate one's contribution
[21:55] <stgraber> in this case, it's a +1 from me
[21:55] <forumsmatthew> stgraber, agreed
[21:55] <DktrKranz> (and having root access on your machines is really a sustained contribution :P)
[21:55] <Seveas> Pricey, your call
[21:55] <nealmcb> DktrKranz: ?
[21:57] <Myrtti> /me goes to raid the fridge and hopes her turn doesn't come while munching pb'n'jam bread in kitchen
[21:57] <Pricey> I want to give a 0. I don't want to approve based on the -it work, and feel universe contributors is the way to get recognised from all the motu work you have done.
[21:57] <Seveas> fair enough
[21:57] <DktrKranz> nealmcb, when uploading packages on the archives, contributors can change your systems, so... they have root access :)
[21:57] <Seveas> that's 5 +'es and one 0, devfil still becomes member :)
[21:58] <Pricey> Regardless, congrats on membership devfil and I want to see you working towards joining the motu owned teams sharpish! :)
[21:58] <Seveas> Congrats!
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> congratulations~
[21:58] <forumsmatthew> !
[21:58] <devfil> thanks
[21:58] <Volans> devfil rocks!!! :D
[21:58] <devfil> Pricey: I will, this is a promise
[21:58] <Seveas> Pici, you're up
[21:58] <Pici> I was invited to join the Ubuntu IRC team in October of last year, and although its hectic at times, I enjoy doing it.
[21:58] <popey> congrats devfil
[21:58] <Pici> er
[21:58] <Pici> Hi! My name is Benjamin Rubin (24), although most of you just know me as Pici.  I spend most of my Ubuntu community time doing IRC support.  I also do a bit of bug reporting (and confirming in #u+1) for the in-development releases.
[21:58] <Hattory> devfil: good job ;)
[21:58] <Pici> I was invited to join the Ubuntu IRC team in October of last year, and although its hectic at times, I enjoy doing it.
[21:58] <Seeker`> Pici ftw!
[21:58] <Pici> there we go.
[21:58] <devfil> thanks to all, I'm very happy for this
[21:58] <Pici> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminRubin
[21:58]  * jpds cheers for Pici
[21:59] <Seveas> For Pici i can pretty much repeat my little rant about the lack of irc stats
[21:59] <totopalma> devfil, \o/ lol
[21:59] <popey> uh-oh a testimonial from ompaul
[21:59]  * Pricey prods elky
[21:59] <Seveas> Pici rocks, gives support, is a good op and helps me code on ubotu
[21:59] <Seveas> Pici, btw, I may have some good news about that soon-ish
[21:59]  * ompaul blinks
[21:59] <Pici> Seveas: When you werent deciding to change the entire framework, that is.
[22:00] <ompaul> popey, ikonia had one too
[22:00] <Myrtti> /me notices Pici is up and takes her hand from the pb jar
[22:00] <Seveas> Pici, the code is still very usable :)
[22:00] <popey> Pici: what's the status of the bantracker bot?
[22:00] <ikonia> pici's provided me personally with help as well as the core channels I'm in
[22:00] <Seveas> popey, hanging in the air since my resignation. But that really cannot be blamed on Pici
[22:00] <Pici> popey: Its on hold due to the fact that Seveas was working on transitioning off of Supybot and onto a dbus based bot.
[22:00] <Pici> popey: Much of the code is still viable though.
[22:00] <popey> Seveas: /me was hoping for an answer from pici, not a board member
[22:01] <popey> Pici: what do you do to deal with conflict on irc?
[22:01] <Seveas> popey, sorry. Since I'm the one to blame for it hanging in the air I thought it was fair for me to answer that
[22:01] <popey> ok
[22:01] <forumsmatthew> stats don't feel as necessary to me when we have testimonies from people we really trust. I want to see some documentation, as much as possible, but it is not the only deciding factor
[22:02] <forumsmatthew> these are very strong testimonies
[22:02] <phanatic> i totally agree with forumsmatthew. based on that, +1
[22:02] <forumsmatthew> +1
[22:02] <stgraber> +1
[22:02] <Pici> popey: We get a fair amount of people who are abusive, intentionally or not, and I try to be fair in light of the CoC when discussing their removal from the channel and their unbanning.
[22:02] <elky> Pricey?
[22:02] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, true, but just like karma, forum post count and all numbers: it helps to be able to "see" activity
[22:02] <Pricey> +1
[22:03] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, I totally agree...
[22:03] <popey> Pici: does that cause conflict for you with other irc admins?
[22:03] <forumsmatthew> but when we can't see, testimonies are invaluable
[22:03] <Pricey> elky, another of your ops is up for membership if you have anything to say? (go on, be mean :D )
[22:03] <Myrtti> we luvz Pici
[22:03] <Myrtti> ♥
[22:03] <elky> Pricey, oh. YAY PICI!
[22:03]  * elky runs to the train
[22:04] <Pici> popey: I don't let things get past friendly debates on issues.  Its not constructive to argue.
[22:04] <popey> good answer
[22:04] <popey> based on your testimonials and my own perception of you on irc, +1
[22:05] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, in light of that: 2 prominent members of the irc op community are part of this council and only one forum admin (unless I'm mistaken). Do you feel that the forums are underrepresented?
[22:05] <Pricey> I'm a forums mod if that counts?
[22:05] <forumsmatthew> no
[22:05] <Seveas> Pricey, why do I keep forgetting that?
[22:05] <forumsmatthew> he's a double agent
[22:05] <Seveas> seriously, someone needs to hammer that into me at some point...
[22:05] <Pricey> you never remembered my birthday either :(
[22:05] <popey> (because of his hair)
[22:05] <Seeker`> Pricey: traitor! :P
[22:05] <Seveas> anyway, Pici has collected 6 +'es
[22:05] <Seveas> congrats!
[22:05] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[22:05] <Pici> Thanks! :)
[22:06] <Daviey> \o/
[22:06] <Seveas> Myrtti, you're up now
[22:06] <popey> well done Pici , keep up the good work
[22:06] <Myrtti> /me takes a deep breath and looks at the magical black guinea pig
[22:06] <Seveas> irc people invasion today
[22:06] <Myrtti> indeed
[22:06] <Seveas> Myrtti, better paste your intro
[22:06] <Seeker`> Myrtti: is great! She spends a lot of time helping in a lot of channels, and is quite often a (calm)voice of reason during heated arguments, and I suspect that the ops channel would be a much worse place without her
[22:06] <Myrtti> just getting it from emacs, thanks.
[22:07] <Myrtti> I'm Miia Ranta, 28 year old Finn. I've been using Ubuntu since 2005 and since then I've been working with the Finnish LoCo and it's co-operation with Finnish companies and FLUG, also active with the international community, mostly on IRC. I've done a bit of localisation and try to keep the wheels running where ever I'm active.
[22:07] <Myrtti> My Wikipage is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Myrtti, and my puny Launchpad page is at https://launchpad.net/~myrtti
[22:07] <popey> uh-oh she said emacs
[22:07] <PriceChild> So now Pricey has died..
[22:07] <Pici> woo, Myrtti!
[22:08] <Myrtti> my team boss was, btw, approved as a member on last meeting
[22:08] <forumsmatthew> Again, solid testimonials from people we trust...that emacs thing might be a problem, though
[22:08] <Myrtti> anyway
[22:08] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, yes
[22:08] <Myrtti> forumsmatthew: I use nano and vim too
[22:08] <Myrtti> and editra and gedit and mousepad and and
[22:08] <jpds> Myrtti does great work on the IRC team - /me cheers
[22:08] <Seveas> -1 for emacs, -2 for nano but +4 for vim
[22:09] <Seveas> an even +1 as far as I'm concerned
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> lol
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> I think the black guinea pig pushed me over
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> +1
[22:09] <Seveas> (as far as 1 can be even)
[22:09] <Myrtti> for comic relief I added the picture of the aforementioned magical black guinea pig to the wikipage)
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> Seriously, those testimonials make a difference to me
[22:10] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, yes, the same would go for me if there were a candidate from the forums with a testimonial from you
[22:10] <ikonia> Myrtti: is another one who's inspired and provided help and advice to me
[22:10]  * nealmcb files a CoC complaint related to bashing of the one true religion, emacs :)
[22:10] <Seveas> I wouldn't look much further before giving a +1
[22:10] <PriceChi1d> +1!
[22:10] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, we have one of those on the list
[22:10] <phanatic> +1
[22:10] <ompaul> nealmcb,  hahaha
[22:10] <popey> back on track...
[22:10] <Seveas> nealmcb, the CoC has an emacs exception
[22:11] <stgraber> +1
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> Hey, wait a minute! Her wiki page has a photo of her wearing a Suse shirt!
[22:11] <Myrtti> oh dear...
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2448624368/in/set-72157603254007522/
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> :)
[22:11] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, so? suse ain't bad
[22:12] <Seeker`> forumsmatthew: I have heard her complain about Suse several times :P
[22:12] <Myrtti> I also bash SuSE and the "¤#&)"%/YW=="#¤&)="&)= of !¤%(%/!=(% yast2 everytime I get a chance
[22:12] <popey> Myrtti: what do you think we can do to improve the profile of ubuntu-women?
[22:13] <Myrtti> actually for Ubuntu Women I'm having a mixed feelings. It would be lovely if Ubuntu Women wouldn't have to exist at all
[22:13] <Seeker`> Myrtti, talking about YasT, "-14:18:32- :Myrtti+: I don't have suitable words for this channel to fully express my feelings for that "#Â€&/(#%Â€%& #Â€%/#(&)# b "&"//I(Â€()Â€&#&%""&% 45
[22:13] <forumsmatthew> Myrtti, I agree. Until that time, though...any plans or thoughts or ideas/
[22:13] <Myrtti> the profile can be improved only by individuals
[22:13] <popey> Myrtti: what do you think us simple males could do to help that happen?
[22:13] <Myrtti> I try to pitch in my own .02€ in that
[22:15] <Myrtti> that's a tough question...
[22:15] <Myrtti> like I said, the profile can be improved only by individuals
[22:16] <Myrtti> I've seen plenty of cases with individual acts of stupidity towards women
[22:17] <Myrtti> but that issue goes far deeper
[22:17] <popey> ..and not something we can solve in an emea membership board I suspect :)
[22:17] <Myrtti> that's one of the reasons I think improving the usage of FLOSS in education is a good starting point
[22:17] <Seveas> popey, since the dawn of time men failed to understand women and vice versa. A few geeks will not solve this in 90 minutes
[22:18] <popey> indeed
[22:18] <Seveas> (they can solve it in .0000090 seconds -- lhc gone bad)
[22:18] <Myrtti> I was recently asked to help a local school with their LTSP installation, too bad I was too busy with my work
[22:18] <popey> +1 for Myrtti as she clearly has a lot of support and a level head
[22:19] <Seveas> that means IRC invasion completed
[22:19] <Seveas> congrats Myrtti !
[22:19] <Myrtti> oh wow, did I really make it? :-D
[22:19] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[22:19] <Pici> Yay, congrats :)
[22:19] <Myrtti> \o/
[22:19] <ke|p> congrats Myrtti
[22:19] <Seveas> the next 3 candidates should be rejected. For one, none of them are here. The first two have a wikipage with no content and about Kmos I prepared some lines in a text editor
[22:19] <Volans> congrats Myrtti :)
[22:20] <Seveas> I'm going for a strong -1 on kmos. His main contribution according to his wikipage is related to the MOTU with whom he has had a lot of struggles in the past. He may have improved (which I doubt), but I want the *MOTU* to judge that not us. Here's a quote from Scott Kittermann he asked me to echo:
 Kmos' work with the Ubuntu MOTU team was so damaging and disruptive that he was asked to stop volunteering work on Ubuntu developement.  He is currently silenced on the #ubuntu-motu channel.
 Since being asked to stop developement work, he has attempted to evade the MOTU Council oversight and switch to a new Launchpad account (since merged with his).
 Before being considered for Ubuntu member, he really ought to do what he was asked, respect the community's governance structure (MOTU Council in this case), and work to be seen as a positive contributor.
[22:20] <Seveas> Also note that the only MOTU testimonial predates the actions the MOTU took to avoid more damage from him and can no longer be considered relevant.
[22:21] <glade88> So its my turn I guess :)
[22:21] <Seveas> glade88, no
[22:21] <glade88> :/
[22:21] <forumsmatthew> hang on, glade88
[22:21] <Seveas> glade88, we need to hear the vote of the other board members on these 3 candidates
[22:21] <glade88> Okay..
[22:21] <PriceChild> I'm agreed on all 3 counts.
[22:22] <stgraber> so do I
[22:22] <forumsmatthew> I vote -1 on all. The first two because of severely lacking wiki pages, and the third based on the final testimonial
[22:22] <phanatic> -1 on all of them for the same reasons
[22:22] <popey> i say we do the same as we did last week, postpone rather than -1 them
[22:22] <popey> and tell them why
[22:22] <Seeker`> phanatic: 1 or 01?
[22:22] <Daviey> just not being here should mean it is auto deferred ?
[22:22] <Seeker`> *-1
[22:22] <popey> if they have the motivation / inclination to fix it, they can
[22:22] <popey> rather than blackballing them now
[22:22] <forumsmatthew> popey, that seems fair. Will you contact them?
[22:23] <popey> sure
[22:23] <Seveas> popey, I think postponing makes sense if they actually put some effort into it
[22:23] <Seveas> there's no effort at all
[22:23] <forumsmatthew> I'm willing to change my vote to a postpone, certainly on the first two
[22:23] <PriceChild> Daviey: check the wiki pages
[22:23] <popey> there is no persceveed effort
[22:23] <popey> perscieved
[22:23] <popey> perceived
[22:23] <popey> meh
[22:23] <Seveas> popey, :)
[22:24] <forumsmatthew> but not on the third at this time
[22:24] <forumsmatthew> the strong negative testimonial from one who would know is enough to make me say he needs to deal with the issues he has been told to deal with first
[22:24] <popey> i would rather tell people to do better, and _how_ to do better than -1 them when they aren't here
[22:24] <Seveas> popey, if you'll tell them I'll change my vote to 0 -- postpone
[22:25] <Seveas> (the first two that is)
[22:25] <jpds> Kmos isn't even here.
[22:25] <stgraber> they shouldn't have added themselves to the list with an empty wikipage ...
[22:25] <Seveas> but they should be prepared next time, or if they can't make it nat add them to the list
[22:25] <Seveas> s/nat/not/
[22:25] <popey> if they arent ready they can remove themselves
[22:25] <stgraber> but I'm also ok with changing to 0 for the two first ones if they are contacted and the wiki pages updated by next meeting (or removed from the list)
[22:25] <popey> I'll contact them
[22:26] <forumsmatthew> stgraber, I like that addition...
[22:26] <Seveas> popey, and about kmos?
[22:27] <nealmcb> I hear the frustration with kmos, and have no reason to disagree, but In general I'd suggest letting people speak for themselves before coming to a judgement.
[22:27] <nealmcb> he certainly has support from loco members and translators
[22:28] <nealmcb> so deferring seems most appropriate, for my $0.02
[22:28] <Seveas> nealmcb, the strong objections from lots of MOTU weigh much heavier to me
[22:28] <forumsmatthew> my hesitation comes from a perceived inability to work with others, specifically those in authority. That isn't much like the CoC/Ubuntu spirit that I want to see displayed
[22:28] <nealmcb> I'm just curious what he would say himself
[22:28] <Seveas> he's really (been) disruptive and counterproductive and needs to sort that out first
[22:29] <Daviey> chaps, he isn't here - lets wait until he is.
[22:29] <Pici> Daviey: I agree.
[22:29] <Seeker`> it would be unfair to automatically -1 without the abilit yto defend himself
[22:29] <popey> indeed, i recommend we postpone
[22:29] <Daviey> same as it is unfair to +1 someone when they aren't here IMO.
[22:29] <jpds> maybe we should move on to the other candidates?
[22:29] <Seveas> I disagree, I see this as his 3rd attempt at gaining status whilst being disruptive
[22:29] <forumsmatthew> I would like to hear those in charge of any project he is a part of say they are comfortable with his application, even if they don't support it, before I would approve
[22:30] <popey> ok, it's been 90 mins
[22:30] <Seveas> and we have one more candidate
[22:30] <Seeker`> Can this be put to a vote then, so that tings can move on?
[22:30]  * Daviey would like to see applications automatically postponed if they don't attend.  In this case we wouldn't have wasted 10 mins, for something that is going to need to happen again soon.
[22:30] <Seveas> good idea
[22:30] <popey> indeed
[22:31] <Seveas> I'm going for -1
[22:31] <forumsmatthew> I'm still -1
[22:31] <popey> 0
[22:31] <popey> i dont believe the cc woudl -1 anyone not in attendance
[22:31] <popey> IMO
[22:31] <Seveas> PriceChild, stgraber phanatic ?
[22:31] <PriceChild> -1
[22:31]  * nealmcb nods to popey
[22:32] <Daviey> I've never seen the CC discus someone in regards to membership, in their absense for
[22:32] <Daviey> s/for//
[22:32] <Seveas> Daviey, I've seen it :)
[22:33] <Seveas> stgraber, phanatic: still here?
[22:33] <stgraber> -1
[22:33]  * popey boggles
[22:33] <phanatic> yeah. i'll go for postpone the first two guys, and -1 on Kmos
[22:33] <Seeker`> stgraber: PriceChild : yopu are approving kmos' membership request, correct?
[22:34] <PriceChild> What did I do..?
[22:34] <Pici> They don't sound very approving to me.
[22:34] <forumsmatthew> we have five -1s and a 0
[22:34] <Seveas> that's 5 -1's and one 0 on kmos -- I'll contact him and discuss this with him. For now he's declined
[22:34] <popey> i absolutely don't get why we are voting on anyone who is not here
[22:34] <Seeker`> PriceChild: and stgraber both said "1", which is a positive vote
[22:34] <PriceChild> Seeker`: you have a failing script
[22:34] <Pici> Seeker`: I see a - in front of those 1s.
[22:35]  * Seeker` doesn't :(
[22:35] <PriceChild> Seeker`: i assume it is to do with capab identify-msg
[22:35] <Seveas> glade88, you're up next
[22:35] <glade88> Okay.
[22:35] <PriceChild> Seveas: stripping the +s when its not meant to
[22:35] <glade88> Hi.. I'm Sayak Banerjee, I am a 20 year old Ubuntu enthusiast, working full time with the Forums. (http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=480363). Have Ubuntu since Dapper. *Using* Ubuntu since Feisty!! I am a member of the Beginners Team. I hang aroung the ABT and Desktop Effects forums. I am the Moderator of the Delhi LoCo team. The team has just started and we are vigorously working on...
[22:35] <PriceChild> or -s or w/e
[22:35] <glade88> ...Ubuntu Artwork. Also working towards promoting Ubuntu at my University and solving local problems.
[22:35] <glade88> My Wikipage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dave701
[22:36] <forumsmatthew> most of glade88s work is in the forums, which are down at the moment with a database issue that is being corrected as we speak
[22:36] <glade88> Again? :/
[22:36] <PriceChild> What do you mean 'again?' ? :O
[22:36] <PriceChild> :P
[22:37] <Myrtti> it could be worse
[22:37] <Pici> irc could be down. :o
[22:37] <glade88> PriceChild: Twas down around an hour ago..
[22:37] <forumsmatthew> He is active in assisting new users, both with accurate advice as well as a positive tone and manner
[22:38] <Myrtti> Pici: :-P
[22:38] <forumsmatthew> he has a total of 1634 posts in the tech support areas, and an average of more than 10 posts a day in those areas
[22:38] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, enough to make you give him an instant +1 or are you looking for more to back that up?
[22:38] <popey> based on testimonials, +1
[22:38] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, I'm still thinking...
[22:38] <forumsmatthew> +1
[22:39] <stgraber> +1, testimonials
[22:39] <phanatic> +1
[22:39] <Seveas> ooh, nice testimonials now, good job glade88
[22:39] <glade88> :)
[22:40] <Seveas> for the record: the last 3 of those weren't ther before the meeting and i urged him to collect some
[22:40]  * forumsmatthew nudges PriceChi1d 
[22:40] <PriceChild> +1, 3 forums admins do you proud. Very shiny wiki page too.. literally.
[22:40] <Seveas> +1
[22:40] <Seveas> I count 6 +'es
[22:40] <Seveas> congrats!
[22:40] <glade88> "Very shiny wiki page too.. literally" thanks
[22:40] <forumsmatthew> congratulations
[22:40] <glade88> Thank you !!
[22:40] <glade88> \o/
[22:40] <glade88> :D
[22:40] <Seveas> nijaba, you're up (and last!)
[22:41] <nijaba> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NicolasBarcet
[22:41] <nijaba> I am a 40y old geek that has been digging computers for 30y and earning his life with his supposed skills for the past 25y or so.
[22:41] <nijaba> I have been on Ubuntu since 6.06, and really enjoyed it as a server and desktop since then.
[22:41] <nijaba> I am still learning my way aroud, but I feel I am making progress and trying to help at the same time.
[22:41] <popey> \o/ old school geeks
[22:41] <nijaba> Since I do Ubuntu product management during the day (which exclude coding), I am glad to have some free time to keep at coding a bit.
[22:41] <nijaba> I must say that ubuntu-vm-builder and limesurvey have kept me busy in the past months, but that does not prevent helping the french loco and on various chans when I can.
[22:41] <forumsmatthew> woo hoo! (from another old school geek)
[22:42]  * nealmcb cheers for nijaba - a great contributor!
[22:42] <Seveas> PriceChild, popey: doodle.ch is still calling you :)
[22:42] <kees> nijaba's been doing tons of work, and a serious asset to the ubuntu server team.  props from me.  :)
[22:42] <kirkland> fyi, guys, nijaba is essential to the Ubuntu Server team, great contributor
[22:42] <Seveas> woah, kees is awake
[22:42] <popey> Seveas: prv me the url
[22:42] <PriceChild> Seveas: could you pm me the link again please?
[22:42] <Seveas> done (both)
[22:43] <popey> ta
[22:43] <nealmcb> ...even if he is still just a kid....
[22:43] <popey> on the basis of props from kees, +1 from me
[22:43] <kees> Seveas: middle of my day.  :)
[22:43] <Seveas> nijaba, when did you join canonical?
[22:43] <Daviey> well recommends from kees, kirkland and nealmcb is pretty impressive IMO
[22:43] <Seveas> Daviey, yeah
[22:43] <nijaba> Seveas: october
[22:43] <ajmitch> nijaba.. now that's a nick I recognise from the server channel regularly :)
[22:44] <Seveas> based on testimonials, +1
[22:44] <nijaba> thanks guys :)
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> +1 here, because he is older than me... (barely)
[22:44] <nijaba> forumsmatthew: just turned the counter a month ago
[22:44] <phanatic> all of today's candidates have great testimonials, +1
[22:45] <PriceChild> +1 too.
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> phanatic, agreed
[22:45] <stgraber> +1
[22:45] <Seveas> well, 6 +'es again
[22:45]  * Daviey has just worked out who nijaba is.
[22:45] <Daviey> well done nijaba
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!!
[22:45] <Seveas> end of the list!
[22:45] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks for your work!  congrads.
[22:45] <nijaba> Thanks so much!
[22:45] <stgraber> congratz nijaba
[22:45]  * kees hugs nijaba 
[22:45] <Myrtti> congrats nijaba!
[22:45] <glade88> Congrats!
[22:45] <popey> can I make a proposal?
[22:45]  * nijaba feels the love.... thanks !
[22:46]  * nealmcb hugs nijaba
[22:46] <popey> before we close up
[22:46] <Seveas> popey, you can
[22:46] <forumsmatthew> popey, please
[22:46] <popey> that no members of _this_ membership board should be able to post testimonials on peoples pages
[22:46] <popey> it's a slippery slope
[22:46] <forumsmatthew> ??
[22:46] <Daviey> +1
[22:46] <popey> we could end up with an old boys club, a clique
[22:46] <Seveas> I don't agree, same reasoning as last week
[22:46] <PriceChild> so keep testimonials in here?
[22:47] <popey> yes PriceChild
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> I won't post on the page of someone I wouldn't support
[22:47] <Seeker`> popey: what about give testiminials during meetings?
[22:47] <popey> if you want to say something say it here
[22:47] <Daviey> you would hope that there is enough support from non board members to give support to people standing.
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> okay, now I get you...
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> what about candidates appearing before other boards?
[22:47] <Seveas> popey, what's wrong with putting it on the page if it's ok to say it in here?
[22:47] <nealmcb> popey: I agree for apps before this board, but how about these folks commenting e.g. on a motu application?
[22:48]  * Daviey thinks that maybe board members should only speak up on support after other members of the community have shown support.
[22:48] <Seeker`> Daviey: why?
[22:48] <popey> i just feel uncomfortable having a prospective member page being full of member (board) +1s
[22:48] <forumsmatthew> I'm still leaning toward preferring to keep the freedom to post a testimonial
[22:48] <Seveas> I'm with matthew
[22:48] <Seeker`> popey: If they are going to +1 anyway, why cant they put it on th wikip age
[22:48] <popey> what if the page _only_ contained testimonals from board members?
[22:48] <Daviey> well when one candidate had 50% of references coming from board members on his wiki, it looked bad IMO
[22:48] <forumsmatthew> if you posted on behalf of someone I didn't think was appropriate, I would say so
[22:48] <PriceChild> I have put testimonials on candidates, because i am in the ubuntu irc council, who manages the team or activity they are a part of.
[22:48] <forumsmatthew> really
[22:48] <Seveas> let's post this for discussion to the board lists
[22:48] <nealmcb> hmm - what if a member of this board won't be at a meeting?
[22:49] <popey> ok Seveas
[22:49] <PriceChild> I would like to see that as being different to the opinion I show in a meeting as a member of this board.
[22:49] <forumsmatthew> I want to hear what the people who know the candidate have to say, though
[22:49] <popey> I didnt want to get a decision here and now
[22:49] <Pici> If anyones interested, I would have asked Seveas and PriceChild both for comments whether they were on the emea or not.
[22:49] <popey> just wanted to bring it up
[22:49] <popey> Pici: but they are
[22:49] <Seveas> popey, another thing i want to discuss on the lists is the way we handled kmos' application
[22:49] <Daviey> i think the CC should be asked for guidance on this issue.
[22:49] <popey> Seveas: don't worry, that'lll come up
[22:49] <forumsmatthew> I agree, these are two good topics for the lists
[22:50] <vorian> a good testimonial is a good testimonial, regardless of who it comes from or how
[22:50] <Seveas> popey, I figured, but please wait for me to post the results :)
[22:50] <popey> ok, lets take both these to the lists
[22:50] <popey> Seveas: i planned to do that
[22:50] <PriceChild> Have we missed out meisok?
[22:50] <meisok> hey! :)
[22:50]  * nealmcb appreciates the work of this board - great to have the logjam cleared!
[22:50] <Seveas> Daviey, after last emea (and americas) meetings, there were discussions between the CC and the membership boards about things people felt uncomfortable with or wanted guidance on
[22:50] <Seveas> that worked well
[22:51] <Daviey> groovy
[22:51] <Seveas> PriceChild, meisok added himself during the meeting apparently. That's far too late.
[22:51] <meisok> yes
[22:51] <Seveas> PriceChild, fill out the doodle so we can see a time for next week!
[22:51] <Seveas> :)
[22:52] <PriceChild> Seveas: sorry,... i'm confused, what do mae mean?
[22:52] <Volans> Hi meisok :)
[22:52] <meisok> hi Volans  ;)
[22:52] <Seveas> morning - afternoon - evening
[22:52] <PriceChild> Seveas: morning afternoon evening? (memberhsip doc says all meetings should be evening to keep them distributed.)
[22:52] <Seveas> PriceChild, ah, missed that
[22:53] <Seveas> makes sense actually
[22:53] <mc44> emea spans a fair few time zones
[22:53] <mc44> if you count Russia :p
[22:53] <PriceChild> Seveas: done
[22:54] <Seveas> proposal: tuesday june 10, 18:00 UTC (a bit earlier is nice for eastern europe and middle east)
[22:54] <Seveas> PriceChild, popey, phanatic, stgraber, forumsmatthew?
[22:54] <popey> 18:00UTC is good for me
[22:54] <PriceChild> tis fine
[22:54] <stgraber> Seveas: perfect
[22:54] <popey> 19:00UTC is better, but 18:00 is ok
[22:54] <phanatic> Seveas: fine
[22:55] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, ?
[22:55] <Seveas> too busy fixing the database probably ;)
[22:57] <Seveas> the silence is deafening, am I disconnected?
[22:57] <forumsmatthew> sorry guys, my kid is throwing up
[22:57] <forumsmatthew> gotta run
[22:57] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, k
[22:57] <forumsmatthew> whatever you choose is fine
[22:57] <forumsmatthew> email me
[22:57] <Seveas> good luck!
[22:58] <Seveas> I'll send meeting results tomorrow
[22:58] <Seveas> see you next week everyone
[22:58] <ikonia> thank you
[22:58] <glade88> Many thanks :)
[22:58] <Volans> Seveas: just a question, we have to do something for mail alias etc.?
[22:58] <ke|p> good night everyone :)
[22:59] <Seveas> Volans, yes, you have to wait :)
[22:59] <Volans> Many thanks to all board members :)
[22:59] <Volans> no problem for wait! :)
[22:59] <stgraber> see you all next week, thanks
[23:01] <nijaba> cheers and good night
[23:03] <Myrtti> hyvää yötä _o/
[23:03] <Volans> cheers to all and good night! :)
[23:04] <meisok> regards and good night for all ;)