[00:00] pcglue, what are you coming in from? [00:00] avihayb, corrupted tables? I don't know though [00:01] the device ordering changes from from gutsy to hardy i think [00:01] so be mindful of that [00:01] and try different jacks on your 350 if need be [00:01] I don't know either, but the front end and back end seem to connect [00:02] but when I hit the watch tv button, it just goes back to the menu with the watch tv [00:02] superm1, as far as i know, there's only have one audio in jack on pvr-350 [00:02] superm1, unless the audio out can become audio in? [00:03] hum [00:03] i doubt that [00:03] you sure the pc is still playing audio in general? [00:03] like no issues there? [00:03] pcglue, well there is one for the tuner too [00:03] tgm4883_latop, audio coming in from a satellite set top box [00:04] avihayb, check the backend log, see if any errors come up [00:04] pcglue, does the satellite box have coax? [00:04] err [00:04] coax out [00:04] superm1, yes, there's audio in general. old recordings still work. recordings made after upgrade to hardy has no audio. [00:05] oh yuck [00:05] to rule out coincidences, you made sure that you are getting audio in from the satellite box [00:05] well, my hdd decided he dosn't like me, and stops talking to the rest of the computer :-> [00:05] and that your audio cables are still plugged in properly and stuff like that right? [00:05] superm1, yes, if i plug in the audio in to my mic in on soundcard, i hear the audio [00:05] was just after I installed a fan [00:06] tgm4883_laptop, yes, i believe it does have coax out and thanks for that idea. i'll test that out. [00:06] if that works, i may resort to using that for the time being [00:06] but this irks me [00:08] can i use ivtv to change inputs while mythbackend is running? or does mythbackend have to be stopped? [00:08] ivtv utils... [00:08] pcglue, you can do it while it's running [00:09] my channel change script actually changes audio inputs every time it changes channels [00:09] ok, then i'm covered there. i tried that already, changing audio inputs and watching livetv to see if audio returns. [00:10] tgm4883_laptop, superm1, are you guys mythbuntu devs? [00:13] * superm1 hides [00:14] * tgm4883_laptop whistles [00:15] look a plane [00:15] * tgm4883_laptop runs [00:15] :-> [00:16] so in short yes pcglue [00:16] well, I got my hdd to play along, but now the sound sounds like it's comeing thru an HF radio [00:17] haha [00:18] what capture device are you guys using? [00:18] btw, I didn't see the plane [00:19] pcglue, i use a pvr-500, air2pc hd5000, and hdhomerun [00:20] superm1, you have all that in one backend? [00:21] I have a PVR-500 and PVR-150. Used to have a HD5500, but moved and now only have directv [00:21] yeah [00:21] i used to have two backends (and more tuners) [00:22] but decided to consolidate [00:22] My PVR-150 is in a slave backend [00:23] and a secondary slave backend has no tuners for comm flagging only [00:23] * tgm4883_laptop has too many computers [00:23] I guess not many people use the PVR-350 so I'm in uncharted territory here [00:24] pcglue, try the coax, see if you get audio that way [00:24] well it's the same functionality as a 250 or 150 [00:24] i mean i do have a 350 sitting around somewhere [00:24] i just dont use it [00:24] how is mythbuntu 8.04?? i was considering redoing my box and i was wondering if it was worth the trouble [00:24] yep, a little reset fixed the HF voice [00:25] tgm4883_laptop, yes, I plan to try that when I get home. [00:25] okay...i am back...anyideas why I can connect to mysql with squirrelsql client but not a new FE running mythbuntu 8.04 [00:26] defendguin: I tryed the liveCD but it dosn't workfor some reason, after picking run from cd or install, it throws me to the ash shell. please notify me if it dosn't happen to you [00:27] whats the difference between the desktop download and the alternate download [00:28] live cd vs alt cd [00:29] does the mythbuntu CD have the remote desktop stuff on it? [00:30] vinagre and what not [00:31] wow..thats cool and curious. Came back after 2 hours...just for the heck of it tried again...it works....LOL [00:31] go figure why or what changed [00:34] and will dvd playback work out of the box [00:35] any chanse I can be greedy and ask for an online walkthru for instaling mythTV via apt-get on xubuntu8.04? [00:36] tomorrow could also be good [00:36] avihayb: what help do you need? [00:37] avihayb, sure http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu [00:37] well, lest time I tryed to install, it didn't go so smoothly. I reboted for some reason, and when the system was back, mysqld_safe was hoging all the cpu [00:38] I don't know how I did it, but I sorta managed somehow to make the front end and backend to talk to each other [00:39] and then I tryed to watch tv via "the thing", but when I try to click the watch tv button, it just returns to the menu with the watch tv [00:40] tgm4883_laptop: will that work on xubuntu? [00:40] avihayb, yes is should [00:41] arm, your should gave me a small cram in the side... [00:42] superm1, the hd5000 and hdhomerun, they only receive over the air HD signals? it's not for cable or to get like discovery channel? [00:42] i use QAM256 [00:42] so anything not encrypted i can grab [00:42] which ends up being blah [00:42] just the OTA stations broadcast on the cable [00:43] i prefer to record them on the cable though because more reliable signal [00:43] i see, thanks [00:43] and w/ cable compression, after snipping out commercials they fit on DVDs just barely [00:43] OTA has lower compression (so looks better in high motion) [00:43] but sucks to archive [00:43] it ends up being like .2 GB too big often [00:45] so, I should install the mythbuntu-desktop package? [00:46] tgm4883_laptop: FF dosn't support the apt protocall [00:46] so the get link dosn't work... [00:47] avihayb, what are you running? [00:47] that's a very general question [00:47] heh, yes [00:47] what ver of FF [00:47] ff-firefox [00:47] 2 [00:47] and what version of Ubuntu [00:48] xubuntu 8.04 [00:48] interesting [00:48] it doesn't pop up a little box that says you want to install it? [00:48] nope. I took a looksee in the php file... :-> [00:49] interesting, seems to be a xubuntu bug then [00:49] apt:mythbuntu-desktop [00:49] i'd install mythbuntu-control-centre from apt [00:49] then configure from there [00:49] sooooo, not the desktop thing [00:49] forget about the mythbuntu-desktop package for now [00:49] mkey [00:49] unless you already started it [00:50] time to mention that this will be the beck end, and posibley the only frontend [00:51] *back [00:51] possibly [00:51] avihayb, does FF 2 come standard on Xubuntu 8.04 or did you install that yourself? [00:52] standard [00:52] ok [00:52] well, it's a 7.10 upgrade to 8.04 [00:52] and all the file associasions seem to be missing [00:53] hmm [00:54] that might actually be a Xubuntu bug, i remember reading upgrade bugs regarding xubuntu [00:54] i'll check into it [00:54] avihayb, check and see apturl is installed [00:54] mkey. ok, I'v got the controll panle [00:54] dpkg -l | grep apturl [00:54] sec [00:54] it looks like it should be on 7.10 [00:55] er 8.04 [00:55] its a reverse dependency for xubuntu-desktop [00:55] wow i can't talk [00:55] xubuntu-desktop has it listed as a dependency [00:55] that dpkg parameter shows the help. [00:56] use a l as in lemon [00:56] not I as in Intrepid [00:56] I did bouth i and l [00:56] and that's a pipe next to the -l [00:57] hi all... i am running mythbuntu 8.04 (actually in the middle of reinstalling for various reasons). I am wanting to control my cable box via ir blaster and I have a cable that came with my old tivo... it's mono 1/8 with two transmitters on the other end... what port would this need to be hooked up to on my mythtv box? [00:57] but the package is installed [00:58] I knew it was a pipe [00:58] i'm guessing I don't have the correct port... have been doing research but can't get any clear answers so I thought I'd check here [00:58] superm1, i'm thinking I know his issue [00:58] * tgm4883_laptop smacks head [00:58] when I sudo apt-get remove apturl, it asks me if i'm sure [00:58] superm1, Ubuntu (or in this case Xubuntu) needs to know what to do with the apt-url right? [00:59] well, it's a 7.10 upgrade to 8.04 [00:59] and all the file associasions seem to be missing [00:59] it says that bouth the apturl and ubufox will be removed if i hit y [00:59] if he lost all file associations, that would break it no? [00:59] i'm thinking xubuntu doesn't know that it needs to use apt to install what comes from the apt-url [01:00] I could be completely wrong though [01:00] btw, about hthe control pannle, should I just mess around with it untill it works? [01:00] *panel [01:00] avihayb, no [01:00] :-< [01:00] but you have that installed now [01:00] yes [01:00] ok, is this going to be used as a desktop or just a frontend/backend (or something else) [01:03] well, it's hocked up to the 27" LCD via a VGA cable, but I'd guess that the ocasional browsing, watching divx movies torrrenting for divx movies and burning them to cds/dvd's is also [01:03] something [01:03] that we'd like to do [01:04] ok [01:04] is it the primary backend? [01:04] I understand that mythTV has plugins for some of that "functionality" [01:04] yes [01:04] perfect [01:04] yey! [01:04] i'd use MCC to enable the frontend and primary backend, then let it install the necessary packages [01:05] that should setup most things you need I would think [01:05] do I need a step by step guyd, or is the MCC self explanatory enough? [01:05] *guid [01:05] avihayb, MCC is pretty easy to use [01:06] pop it up [01:06] e [01:06] if anything is unclear ask here [01:06] you can also check the installation guide [01:06] which is available on the mythbuntu.org site [01:07] so I picked primery backend, and frontend [01:07] and xubuntu desktop [01:07] xubuntu-desktop should already be checked [01:07] since you already have it installed [01:07] that may be why your xubuntu isn't working as designed [01:07] yes, sory for takeing credit for that... [01:08] ah ok [01:08] looks good [01:08] now, should I set some other settings, or hit apply? [01:09] hit apply, let it install and configure the base mythtv packages [01:10] then we can install extra functionality [01:10] help [01:10] I'm getting this error which I choose "Burn DVD" [01:11] Cannot burn a DVD. The last run failed to create a DVD. [01:12] ok, packages are happily downloading [01:13] ddgoose...R U around? [01:18] humm, ther's a nice movie on perl harbor [01:19] took me long enough to figure out that there's a huge delay between the feed and the image on the screen... [01:30] tgm4883_laptop: ok, downloading is finished [01:32] tgm4883_laptop: and now mysqld_safe is hogging all my CPU [01:39] superm1, any idea why mysqld_safe would do that? [01:48] well, whats next doc? [01:49] I haven't touched anything this time in fear of awakening the wraff of mythTV [01:50] avihayb, sec [01:50] tgm4883_laptop: and I'm already useing the card via VLC, I guess I should shut it down now... [01:52] avihayb, is there anything in /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql/ [01:52] the cpu hogging by the MySql deamon is affecting playback by minor, yet iretating hickups once in a while [01:53] mysql is clean [01:54] no mysql.log directory [01:54] no mysql.log directory, just /var/log/mysql/ [01:56] i've seen it happen [01:57] empty [01:57] but it cleaned itself up [01:57] is there a way to see what it is doing? [01:57] but /var/log/mythtv/backend something is huge and growing [01:57] repeating the same sequence [01:57] ruh roh [01:57] hmm [01:57] the welcome log is empty [01:58] look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and see what it says [01:58] or rather [01:58] tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [01:58] tails is a command/utility program? [01:58] *tail [01:58] yes [01:58] command line [01:59] pastebin the output [02:01] it's on another system [02:03] ok,here we go [02:03] tv@tv:~$ tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [02:03] 2008-06-02 03:26:13.284 SG(LiveTV) Error: Group 'LiveTV' wants to use directory '/home/tv/Desktop/', but this directory is not writeable. [02:03] QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range [02:03] 2008-06-02 03:27:22.383 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor [02:03] 2008-06-02 03:27:22.389 adding: tv as a client (events: 0) [02:04] ok, note to self- mass pasteing=disconection... [02:04] yea don't do that [02:04] use pastebin [02:05] a hubawa? [02:05] !8ball [02:05] google pastebin [02:05] also [02:05] did you run mythtv-setup? [02:05] not after reinstalation, no [02:05] cause this right here [02:05] 2008-06-02 03:26:13.284 SG(LiveTV) Error: Group 'LiveTV' wants to use directory '/home/tv/Desktop/', but this directory is not writeable. [02:05] is a problem [02:07] ok [02:07] time to run mythTV-setup? or have another look at that fancy MCC? [02:08] mythtv-setup [02:08] mkey [02:08] find out where you want your recordings to go first though [02:08] dedicated computer more or less, where would you put it? [02:09] how many hard drives do you have in there? [02:09] erm a tiny 20Gb but thta might changw when the proof of concept actualy works [02:09] ok [02:09] is the 20GB partitioned? [02:10] only swap [02:10] ok [02:10] this is how I would do it then [02:10] so you have a swap partition [02:10] and a / partition [02:10] This is how mine is setup [02:10] in the futer I'd probebly mount home on the bigger hdd yet to come [02:10] my recordings go into [02:10] /mythtv/recordings/ovit500/ [02:10] ovit is the name of my backend [02:11] 500 is the size of the drive [02:11] that way if I add another hard drive [02:11] I will mount that drive at [02:11] /mythtv/recordings/ovit1000/ [02:11] ^^ if I added a terabyte drive [02:12] but i always keep the /mythtv/recordings/hostnamesize/ scheme [02:12] so for you [02:12] I would do [02:12] mkey, I'm game [02:12] /mythtv/recordings/hostname20/ [02:12] I need to create that folder beforehand? [02:12] yes [02:12] you need to create /mythtv [02:13] i'm not sure you can create it all in one command, but after you get them all created you need to set permissions [02:13] chmod 775 /mythtv/recordings/hostname20/ [02:13] then [02:13] chown mythtv:mythtv /mythtv/recordings/hostname20/ [02:14] then bust open mythtv-setup, make that your recording directory [02:15] no -r option? [02:16] well you only need the actual directory that is the recording dir to have mythtv ownership [02:16] but I suppose you could do that [02:18] ok, it's set, more or less [02:20] tgm4883_laptop: is it mythtv-setup time? [02:20] yes [02:21] go into mythtv-setup and go through each step [02:21] killing the backend [02:22] oww, preaty gui! [02:22] 1.general [02:23] local settings are set [02:23] wow i gotta admit 8.04 is awesome [02:24] misc settings: master backend override marked folow symbolic links marked, slow delete marked [02:24] easiest setup i've had in forever maybe its because i've done it before 8 or so times but its still great stuff [02:25] tgm4883_laptop: change what I know, don't touch what I don't understand? [02:25] so, I'm guessing that it didn't throw you to ash like it did me? [02:27] on card type, I chose MPEG-2 encoder card (pvrx50... right? [02:29] tgm4883_laptop: I'm lost in the connect sourc to input part [02:30] source [02:33] yelp [02:34] defendguin: still there? [02:34] yeah [02:34] mind helping me out? [02:36] single computer runing xubuntu 8.04 connected via a vga cable to LCD screen, being, hopefully, bouth front and back end [02:36] sorry, was writing a paper [02:36] defendguin: you can say no [02:37] better say my name when you want to ask something i'm frequently away from this pc [02:37] yea that the right setting for the pvr cards [02:38] ok, the video source, I'me setting on no gruber [02:38] avihayb, where do you live? [02:38] in Israel [02:38] ah [02:38] yeh [02:38] no grabber it is then [02:38] I found someone who wrote a graber program to that xml program thingy [02:39] *err format [02:41] ok, I was "scaning" for channles, and the setup program crashed [02:41] where do you get your channels from? OTA, cable, satellite, something else? [02:41] on another matter, I selected israel-cable-matav [02:42] I intend to use a digital reciver conected to the composit, and an IR blaster [02:42] time to say I have the "full" MCE package with the card [02:43] as in the media center remote ir reciver and "blaster" [02:43] ok, but how is the cable hooked up to the mythtv box right now? [02:43] thru the composit [02:43] ok [02:44] your not going to be able to scan for channels then [02:44] and unfortunatly this is probably where my help will have to end [02:44] oh, well, no magic [02:44] time issues? [02:44] as I'm not sure exactly how you would get your channels into the databse [02:45] probably from that grabber program you talked about [02:45] but i'm not entirely sure myself [02:45] well, I'll burn that brige when I get there, I'd settel for one channle for the moment [02:46] it's so late, that it's early here in israel [02:46] eh, it's not even 7pm here [02:46] look at the local timestamp: [02:46] (04:46:01) avihayb_tv: it's so late, that it's early here in israel [02:46] lucky me ;) [02:46] yea that is early [02:47] well, I'm guessing I'm runing the setup program again [02:47] yea [02:47] most of it should have already saved [02:47] go back into the step you were just in [02:47] but dont scan this time [02:49] well, shuld I put stuff in "external channle changer command, and preset tuner to channle? [02:49] *channel [02:49] do you have an external channel change script? [02:49] not yet... so I'm guessing that that's my answer [02:50] do I need to create an input group? [02:50] an input group? [02:50] I've got some problems with the mythweb .asx links - specifically, I can't skip around in the file. Has this problem been fixed? [02:51] in Interaction between inputs [02:51] umm [02:51] I don't think so [02:51] oh, ok, only for more then one recorder device [02:51] rhh, isn't it that way by design? [02:52] tgm4883_laptop: well, I'd sure like to be able to "fast forward" through commercials and such [02:52] I think I should skip the channle editor for now, right? [02:52] and I used to be able to with the "myth://" links [02:52] avihayb_tv, yes [02:53] then make the default storage group the directory we setup earlier [02:54] yhe, that was "aimed" at the desktop, I changed that... do I need a "DB Backups" group? [02:55] really making my brain work today ;) [02:55] not right now [02:55] :-> [02:55] ok, I'm escaping out of the setup program [02:58] tgm4883_laptop: the damn thing says: [02:58] /mythtv/recordings/tv20//.test - directory is not writeable ... [02:59] ok [02:59] go to a terminal [02:59] and post the output of [02:59] ls -l /mythtv/recordings/tv20 [03:00] total 0 [03:00] I forgot to chmod 775 recordings/ [03:00] hmm [03:00] sec [03:00] and tv20... :-< [03:01] do [03:01] done [03:01] ls -l /mythtv/recordings [03:02] drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-06-02 05:01 tv20 [03:02] ok that looks right [03:02] try exiting mythtv-setup again [03:02] ok, he now complains about not setting a deafult channle [03:02] I' telling him to ignore [03:02] ok [03:03] yea that might cause an issue, we'll find out [03:03] did you set up the tuner to use composite? [03:03] yes [03:03] k [03:03] ok, mythfilldatabase did it's thing [03:04] now, is it time to cross fingers and run the frontend? [03:04] yea [03:05] btw, I belive that mysqld_safe either stops hogging, or terminates while in setup, if it's of any segnifigence to you [03:06] ok, it did it [03:07] it works? [03:08] yes! I'm reciveing a 1 min delayed feed [03:08] 1 minute? [03:08] Thats way too long [03:08] I think what I did wrong last time, was failing to link the composit input with mythtv [03:09]