[00:03] <solid_liq> can anyone tell me why I'm banned from #ubuntu?
[00:03] <Seeker`> solid_liq: how long ago were you banned?
[00:03] <solid_liq> this morning I think
[00:03] <solid_liq> it's weird tho
[00:04] <Seeker`> solid_liq: You performed a CTCP version on the whole channel
[00:04] <solid_liq> I was in the channel, then my internet connection flaked out, and when the connection came back up, I couldn't join #ubuntu
[00:04] <solid_liq> oh, that must've been that stupid irssi script
[00:04] <Seeker`> -06:37:29- solid_liq n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq requested CTCP VERSION from #ubuntu:
[00:04] <Seeker`> -06:37:34- ~s~ mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@unaffiliated/solidliq] by FloodBot3
[00:05] <solid_liq> I was trying out different scripts for irssi, and one of them was version-stat.pl
[00:05] <solid_liq> I meant to run it in my channel, not #ubuntu
[00:05] <solid_liq> (##linux-coders)
[00:05] <Seeker`> you should be more careful with what scripts you run in such a busy channel
[00:05] <solid_liq> yeah, it was an accident
[00:05] <Seeker`> do you understand why it is a bad idea?
[00:05] <solid_liq> I didn't realize I was on the ubuntu tab
[00:06] <solid_liq> yeah
[00:06] <Seeker`> PriceChild: you still about?
[00:06] <PriceChild> yep
[00:06] <PriceChild> gimme 5 mins
[00:06] <Seeker`> k
[00:06] <solid_liq> could you unban me please?
[00:07] <Seeker`> I cant unban you, as I dont have the necessary power in #ubuntu
[00:07] <solid_liq> k
[00:07] <Seeker`> but someone will have a look in a minute
[00:07] <solid_liq> k thanks
[00:08] <tritium> Seeker`: I can take care of it.
[00:09] <tritium> hmm, strange.
[00:09] <Seeker`> tritium: what is strange?
[00:10] <tritium> I can't op up.
[00:11] <jrib> tritium: first time you tried since services changed?
[00:11] <tritium> jrib: possibly.  I also see I'm not identified again.
[00:11] <Seeker`> tritium: that could be it
[00:11] <jrib> does solid_liq still need to be unbanned?
[00:11] <Seeker`> tritium: you are unbanning solid_liq then?
[00:12] <tritium> Seeker`: yes, just did.
[00:12] <tritium> solid_liq: try now, please
[00:12] <Seeker`> solid_liq: You need to make sure that you check what channel you are in before you run scripts etc. in future, ok?
[00:12] <tritium> I guess the change in services has broken my auto-identify.
[00:15] <Mez> Seeker`, you dont?
[00:15] <Mez> solid_liq, ok, I'll unban you, as long as you understand that it's a bad idea to run mass CTCP's in busy channels.
[00:15] <Seeker`> Mez: He has just been unbanned by tritium
[00:15] <Seeker`> Mez: No, I only have ops in -uk
[00:16] <Mez> and promise not to do it again
[00:16] <Mez> argh
[00:16] <Mez> or if my internet wasnt dying I would
[00:16] <Mez> !chanserv.py
[00:16] <nubotu> http://kaarsemaker.net/software/chanserv/
[00:16] <Mez> I cant do anything
[00:16] <Seeker`> although elk y said that she may bring it up with the council
[00:16] <tritium> Mez: I took care of it
[00:17] <tritium> Seeker`: good!  You have my support.
[00:17] <solid_liq> tritium: k thanks :)  (sorry, I ran off to do something for a minute)
[00:17] <tritium> solid_liq: no problem.  But, please do not run scripts in the channel in the future.
[00:18] <solid_liq> I won't
[00:18] <Seeker`> tritium: thanks :D
[00:18] <tritium> Thanks, solid_liq.
[00:18] <tritium> Seeker`: Of course.  :)
[00:18] <solid_liq> :D
[00:18] <Mez> tritium, yeah - was lagging like hell
[00:18] <tritium> Mez: no worries.
[00:18] <Seeker`> solid_liq: Is there anything else we can help you with?
[00:23] <Seeker`> solid_liq: If there is nothing else we can hlep you with, please take note of the /topic
[01:13]  * jrib bans Jack_Sparrow :)
[01:14]  * Mez bans jrib
[01:15] <Jack_Sparrow> soory.. copy error
[01:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Doh
[01:27]  * Seeker` wonders what is going on
[01:47] <blakez> !ops | Myrtti
[01:47] <nubotu> Myrtti: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[01:47] <nubotu> blakez called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (Myrtti)
[01:47] <nixternal> blakez: what?
[01:47] <Amaranth> uh
[01:48] <blakez> Myrtti solicited me to take a shit on her chest.
[01:48] <blakez> plz ban?
[01:49] <nixternal> Myrtti: how come you never solicit me? :P
[01:49] <nixternal> blakez: that one is a tad bit hard to believe
[01:50] <nixternal> to bad I can't ban and remove you from this channel blakez
[01:54] <blakez> i was banned from #ubuntu for abusing the !ops command
[01:54] <blakez> lolol
[01:54] <blakez> it's fun to wake all the linux nerds up
[01:54] <vorian> nixternal: want him removed?
[01:54] <blakez> i was told that many of the ops have the !ops command rigged to an alarm bell, similar to the ones used in fire stations
[01:55] <blakez> and they all rush to the terminal to see what the excitement is about
[01:55] <nixternal> vorian: I will not answer that question, so people don't send stupid emails to the list complaining about me getting a staffer to remove someone
[01:55] <blakez> hoping, just hoping that they get to ban somebody
[01:55] <vorian> ok, i'll do it
[01:55] <blakez> lol no dont
[01:55] <blakez> =[
[01:55] <blakez> !ops | vorian
[01:55] <nubotu> vorian: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[01:55] <nubotu> blakez called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (vorian)
[01:56] <nixternal> why nubotu? everytime I see that, I think "why is a nude bot highlighting me?"
[01:56] <vorian> yeah, weird eh?
[01:57]  * SportChick eyes blakez 
[01:57] <Amaranth> blakez: Do you have a reason for being here?
[01:57] <blakez> a notification, and special attention to district 7 cars, stop rhode island registration 53BP90 for questioning in a homicide investigation earlier this evening
[01:57] <nixternal> Amaranth: is that enough reason for ya :P
[01:57] <Amaranth> ...
[01:57] <blakez> my reason is to harass all the linux nerds
[01:57] <blakez> that think they too good for windows
[01:58] <Amaranth> Ok, someone get rid of this guy please.
[01:58] <nixternal> alert: 12 year old at the helm
[01:58] <blakez> linux is so stupid
[01:58] <blakez> it cant even do anything
[01:59] <blakez> its good for browsing the web
[01:59] <nixternal> so true, here troll, have some food
[01:59] <blakez> you can have my dick as food
[01:59] <blakez> fucking bitch
[01:59] <nixternal> mmmm, I love that
[01:59] <Amaranth> Strange, I can no longer run get the access list for this channel.
[01:59] <nixternal> yes, spank me while you talk dirty to me!
[01:59] <Amaranth> -run
[01:59] <blakez> !ops | Amaranth
[01:59] <nubotu> Amaranth: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[01:59] <nubotu> blakez called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (Amaranth)
[02:00] <Amaranth> !amaranth | blakez
[02:00] <nixternal> buh bye
[02:00] <nubotu> blakez: Stabbity stab
[02:00] <Seeker`> thanks vorian
[02:00] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:00] <vorian> np
[02:01] <Seeker`> I have a feeling he will be back
[02:01] <nixternal> I hope so, I haven't been talked dirty to in a long time
[02:03] <Seeker`> nixternal: I suspect it is ok to request staff to remove someone from a channel in this sort of case
[02:03] <Seeker`> as there isn't anyone else capable of removing them from the channel
[02:04] <nixternal> true, but people are already complaining about it, so I don't want to get involved in the politics of it...I would rather leave it alone and go do some more coding :)
[02:04] <Seeker`> heh, fair enough
[02:04] <nixternal> and kick vorian in the arse to get merging
[02:04] <vorian> doh
[02:04] <Seeker`> what are you coding?
[02:05] <nixternal> KDE 4 of course, and building out packages for 4.1 Beta 1 for the mass amount of whiney Kubuntu Hardy users
[02:05] <vorian> nixternal: got any good ones (by good i mean easy learning type)?
[02:05] <nixternal> I think I need to go and drink a bit...I have been a bit edgy today
[02:05]  * Seeker` needs to do some more coding
[02:05] <nixternal> vorian: you are past the easy learning crap
[02:05] <vorian> crap, I thought you'd say that
[02:05] <nixternal> get your hands dirty and break something already :)
[02:06]  * vorian salutes
[02:06] <nixternal> dude, look at the PPA, I am up to ~ppa7 on kdebase-workspace in 2 days :)
[02:07] <Seeker`> nixternal: Anything a newbie can do?
[02:07] <Seeker`> (not that I run KDE)
[02:07] <nixternal> Seeker`: there is always stuff for anyone to do :)
[02:08] <vorian> watch files are good
[02:08] <vorian> that's where I started with actuall contributions
[02:09] <nixternal> really?
[02:09] <nixternal> that has got to be a first
[02:09] <Seeker`> nixternal: such as?
[02:10] <nixternal> Q: So, how did you get involved with contributing to Ubuntu?
[02:10] <nixternal> A: I was making watch files
[02:10] <nixternal> Jay Leno should be calling you soon :P
[02:10] <nixternal> Seeker`: documentation is a good place for new contribs to start honestly
[02:10] <Seeker`> hmm
[02:10] <nixternal> it is easy to do, and you are actually contributing something physical in a way
[02:11] <Seeker`> I was thinknig about more programming type stuff
[02:11] <nixternal> well then, get to reading the packaging guide if you want to MOTU it up
[02:11] <Seeker`> Documentation isn't one of my "strong points"
[02:11] <nixternal> or, get a hold of the blueprint owners and let them know you want to code
[02:11] <jrib> missing .desktop files is pretty easy, are those still around?
[02:11] <nixternal> not so much missing as invalid
[02:12] <nixternal> that is a boring way to start, by running 'desktop-file-validate' on every .desktop file in every package in the repo :)
[02:12] <Pici> Seeker`: iirc there are bitesize bugs that might be good to start with
[02:12] <Pici> !bitesizex
[02:12] <Pici> !bitesize
[02:12] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bitesizex, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <nixternal> I could only imagine the amount of patches one could generate by fixing all of those
[02:12] <nubotu> A list of bugs that are considered easy to fix and good for beginners to attempt can be found at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[02:12] <nixternal> bite sex?
[02:12] <nixternal> wth Pici :)
[02:12] <Pici> :P
[02:13] <jrib> on that list, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/64064, hasn't ~/bin been added to PATH if it exists for a while now?
[03:24] <nubotu> In nubotu, calcmandan said: !klipper is the KDE clipboard utility. It stores clipboard history, and allows you to link clipboard contents to application actions. For more information, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Klipper.
[03:25] <nubotu> In nubotu, calcmandan said: !kwallet is the wallet subsytem which provides a convenient and secure way to manage all your passwords. For more information, visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/kwallet.
[03:25] <Seeker`> !klipper
[03:25] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klipper, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <Seeker`> !kwallet
[03:25] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwallet, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <Seeker`> are there factoids for that in the database of ubottu?
[03:26] <nubotu> In nubotu, calcmandan said: !scrot is a simple screen capture utility using imlib2. For more information, visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/scrot.
[03:26] <nubotu> In nubotu, calcmandan said: !kmix is KDE's soundcard mixer program. Though small, it is full-featured. The program should give controls for each of your soundcards. For more information, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kmix.
[03:27] <Seeker`> @whoami
[03:27] <nubotu> I don't recognize you.
[03:27] <Seeker`> @login
[03:27] <nubotu> OK
[03:27] <Seeker`> @whoami
[03:27] <nubotu> seeker`
[04:40] <Amaranth> @whoami
[04:40] <nubotu> I don't recognize you.
[04:40] <Amaranth> @login
[04:40] <nubotu> OK
[04:40] <Amaranth> @whoami
[04:40] <nubotu> amaranth
[04:40] <Amaranth> !nubotu
[04:40] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nubotu, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Amaranth> !bot
[04:41] <nubotu> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)
[04:41] <Amaranth> Why do we now have nubotu? Are we taking turns running the bot?
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> "Today's bot has been brought to you by the letter N."
[04:54] <flaccid> i think i got banned from #kubuntu last night because of my new cat on my keyboard
[04:56] <flaccid> may an op have a look please?
[05:12] <elky_work> certainly looks pet inflicted...
[05:12] <elky_work> im not on the access list there though...
[05:14] <flaccid> no worries
[05:14] <elky_work> btw, does 'new cat' mean cute widdle kitteh?
[05:15] <flaccid> the weird thing is it happend once, then i closed the lid on the laptop and it i think it happened again, but that could of been me tired heh
[05:15] <flaccid> yeah hes names buddy and hes a little black kitteh
[05:16] <elky_work> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/01/%23kubuntu.txt ctrl+f for 13:42
[05:16] <elky_work> flaccid: made his flickr debut yet? :D
[05:17] <flaccid> hes my housemates and has only been here like 1 day, shall get some photos soon. hes pretty smart
[05:39] <flaccid> !help
[05:40] <nubotu> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)
[05:40] <flaccid> !ops
[05:40] <nubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[05:40] <nubotu> flaccid called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[05:40] <Amaranth> ?
[05:40] <flaccid> sorry to nag. wouldn't mind getting back to the chan to do my usually hours of daily help
[05:40] <Amaranth> those are the #ubuntu ops
[05:40] <flaccid> banned from cute kitteh last night in #kubuntu
[05:40] <flaccid> some of those might be #kubuntu ops i guess
[05:41] <flaccid> [14:41] [Kick] You have been kicked from channel #kubuntu-ops by ChanServ (Invite only channel). :)
[05:42] <elky_work> aww man! they get to have a private channel :(
[05:44] <elky_work> flaccid: the ops factoid is for emergencies only, and i doubt delaying you from helping classes as an emergency
[05:44] <flaccid> i didn't know it was for emergency only
[05:44] <nixternal> flaccid: what happened to you in #kubuntu?
[05:44] <flaccid> a bit worrying if no kubunt ops are not around
[05:44] <flaccid> ^^ read up
[05:44] <nixternal> hrmm, let me look at that
[05:44] <flaccid> new kitten.
[05:45] <nixternal> flaccid: you can't join #kubuntu at all?
[05:45] <flaccid> [14:45] [474] #kubuntu You're banned from that channel
[05:46] <nixternal> k, looking for your ip now in there
[05:46] <nixternal> %btlogin
[05:46] <nixternal> @btlogin
[05:46] <nixternal> might help if a bot was around :)
[05:46] <flaccid> i have removed the pussy cat and put in extra security measures
[05:46] <flaccid> hehe
[05:47] <flaccid> elky_work: would be nice if the bot had a confirmation routine for 'emergency' commands :p
[05:48] <elky_work> flaccid: that would make them less useful in actual emergencies then, wouldnt it
[05:48] <nixternal> flaccid: fixed :)
[05:48] <nixternal> haha, nice spam by the kitty
[05:49] <elky_work> flaccid: you've been around long enough to have noticed "Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies)"
[05:49] <flaccid> elky_work: it would take 2more seconds :)
[05:50] <flaccid> nixternal: thanks mate
[05:50] <nixternal> no problem!
[05:50] <elky_work> flaccid: as i said, you've been around long enough to know.
[05:50] <flaccid> its an emergency for me
[05:50] <flaccid> isn't it all relative
[05:50] <flaccid> the world is about values and we all have different ones :)
[05:50] <elky_work> not when you ping all the ops who may be at work like myself.
[05:51] <flaccid> still it comes down t process and procedure
[05:51] <flaccid> i mean perhaps if it was in a document i could go by .. :)
[05:51] <elky_work> really, well the process you're going through right now is not one favourable to you at all
[05:52] <elky_work> please depart from here before i give you a label you dont particuarly want.
[05:53] <flaccid> elky_work: i contribute hours of my valuable time to helping the community. if i had a document that set some standards on how regular helpers should help, i'd be more than happy to abide by it. thank you for your time.
[05:53] <elky_work> !guidelines
[05:53] <nubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:53] <elky_work> !behaviour
[05:53] <elky_work> !rules
[05:53]  * elky_work pokes the bot
[05:54] <flaccid> i can't find a definition for emergency in those guidelines
[05:54] <elky_work> im truying to find the right factoid
[05:54] <elky_work> i *shohl;d* be working
[05:54] <elky_work> but you're being a PITA.
[05:54] <nixternal> umm, lets chill a bit here
[05:55] <elky_work> nixternal: then please get him out of my sight. he's been around enough to have not only seen the warning in the factoid umpteen times, but also to have seen (and i'd chance even given out) the factoids he's asking me to produce right now.
[05:55] <flaccid> sorry. i take a more scientific approach to these things instead of making assumptions. i don't mean to sound attacking or anything
[05:55] <flaccid> thank you for your time. i hope you take my feedback on board.
[05:56] <elky_work> grrrrrr
[06:14] <Myrtti> gmorning
[06:14] <Myrtti> nice that I'm having fans
[06:46] <Myrtti> awww cute, jussi01 really does have an Australian accent :-P
[06:52] <elky_work> o.O
[06:53] <elky_work> why would jussi01 have an aussie accent?
[06:55] <Myrtti> well, because he is aussie?
[06:55] <Myrtti> you didn't know?
[06:56] <jussi01> :D
[06:57] <jussi01> elky_work: you really didnt know I was an Aussie?
[07:00] <Myrtti> Mez: he has changed his facebook relationship status to "In a Relationship". /me sobs a little, then does a http://www.facebook.com/s.php?n=-1&k=100000020&adv=1&sx=2&rl=1&in=Linux
[07:09] <Myrtti> jussi01: any news on our lady lost in IP labyrinth?
[07:09] <jussi01> Myrtti: not as yet - Ill see in an hour or so Id imagine
[07:09] <bazhang_> Kcaj has quit ("Yizza furizza my nigga.") <---sufficient reason for a kick next time?
[07:09] <jussi01> bazhang_: reason for a pm imho
[07:09] <bazhang_> he has been asked to change it btw
[07:10] <bazhang_> says he is 'too busy'
[07:10] <Myrtti> I'll have a chat with him then
[07:10] <Myrtti> poke me when he comes online
[07:10] <bazhang_> in offtopic now
[07:10] <bazhang_> Myrtti, ^
[07:10] <Myrtti> ok
[07:11] <Myrtti> /me goes to put her hair up to a tight knot, puts her eyeglasses on and practises her school mam glare
[07:11] <bazhang_> hehe
[07:12] <jussi01> :D
[07:38] <Myrtti> how appropriate that he's now been idling
[07:39] <nalioth> bazhang_: how are you gonna kick someone if they'e quit?
[07:40] <bazhang_> nalioth, he is back
[07:40] <nalioth> is he being disruptive?
[07:40] <bazhang_> nay, but he has been asked to change it and said he is too busy
[07:41] <bazhang_> fair warning in my opnion
[07:42] <nalioth> i think " quite message police  " is something that should be near the end of our list
[07:42] <Myrtti> /me notes she still hasn't had breakfast or taken that shower
 /me kicks his laggy box
[07:42] <bazhang_> offensive racist part message is against coc at the very least
[07:47] <Myrtti> he's apparently changed the quit message already
[07:47] <Myrtti> case closed, watch him quit, though
[07:47] <bazhang_> thanks Myrtti :)
[07:48] <nalioth> so when do we start banning for Bing Crosby song lyrics in /quit  or /part messages?
[07:49] <jussi01> :D
[07:49] <jussi01> shes back!
[07:49] <nalioth> btw, the last exploiter took a train
[07:49] <jussi01> just syncing now
[07:49] <bazhang_> hmm someone wants an argument today :)
[07:49] <Myrtti> jussi01: ♥
[07:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: wait a sec
[07:49] <Myrtti> /me holds her breath
[07:50] <jussi01> she has a lot of channels
[07:51] <nalioth> no, i'm just wondering ( about the song lyrics )
[07:51] <jussi01> :D
[07:51] <Myrtti> there she is!
[07:51] <Myrtti> ♥
[07:51] <bazhang_> ubottu we missed you
[07:51] <jussi01> bazhang_: please dont talk to her to early, she is busy
[07:51] <nalioth> let me know when it's synced and i'll pull ubot3
[07:52] <jussi01> nalioth: sure - just do it in about 5 mins
[07:52] <bazhang_> oops sorry jussi01
[07:52] <bazhang_> teething pains and all
[07:55] <jussi01> nalioth: go for it
[07:57] <jussi01> 4;3~no bt yet as Im still rerouting jussi01.com , will be up soon
[07:59] <jussi01> ok, once that propogates we should be up and running again :)
[08:00] <jussi01> brb
[08:03] <jussio1> :)
[08:04] <Myrtti> I hate these "mumblemumble" assignments
[08:04] <Myrtti> "the customer says mumblemumble mumblemumble, make it so"
[08:05] <jussio1> hehe
[08:05] <Myrtti> and I'm like whhhhaaaa
[08:05]  * jussio1 is ready for coffee
[08:05] <Myrtti> "check that the reference 114 is removed" ok, I've got references up to 106, so what now...
[08:21] <Hobbsee> evening all
[08:21] <bazhang_> hi :)
[08:26] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee
[08:48] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[08:49] <Myrtti> here I still am, hair unwashed and hungry, working
[08:49] <Myrtti> I'm great in blackmailing myself
[08:49] <jussi01> shower you! :P
[08:50] <Myrtti> "just a few more lines"
[09:37] <gnomefreak> did freenode upgrade or something? things that it outputs is not the same as it was ~Dec/Jan
[09:37] <ompaul> gnomefreak, they changed services a couple of days ago
[09:38] <gnomefreak> ompaul: oh ok, i noticed it last week sometime but i just figured it was like that before i got home in april
[09:41] <stdin> looks like nubotu lasted, good :)
[09:48] <Myrtti> rrrrrrgggghh summer schedules
[09:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: *hug*
[09:57] <ompaul> jussi01, does /msg bot search not work as before?
[09:58] <ompaul> jussi01, I just did a /msg ubottu search ompaul and it returned ::  There were no matching configuration variables.
[10:33] <Pricey> Mr. Somerville is taking the piss. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=diff&rev2=273&rev1=272
[10:39] <Hobbsee> [19:39] [Notice] -ChanServ- Founder    : somerville32
[10:39] <Hobbsee> looks accurate to me.
[10:39] <Pricey> Hobbsee, I am well aware of the situation.
[10:40] <Pricey> The comment on the change is:
[10:40] <Pricey> Updating Xubuntu channels to list correct contact
[10:40] <Pricey> What I am referring to, is that the mess is not sorted out yet and no resolution has been made, so changing all our documentation to support himself is just annoying.
[10:42] <Hobbsee> well, updating documentation to be showing the current configurations, while it may change soon, is usually a good idea.  see the MOTU and the bugsquad and workflow bugs stuff.  it was adding documentation on what was already followed in practice.
[10:42] <Hobbsee> OTOH, it may be a waste of his time.
[10:42] <PriceChild> Whether he is right or wrong, whether it is a waste of time or not, it is only provoking the issue.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> i'm sure that you commenting on it in here, with the attitude of "he is an idiot", is also provoking the issue
[10:44]  * Hobbsee goes to check the CC agenda.
[10:44] <PriceChild> He's not an idiot.
[10:44] <PriceChild> I think we are all well aware of that.
[10:47] <PriceChild> I'm just being provoked and getting aggravated about how certain people are handling the issue.
[10:49] <PriceChild> I also don't understand why the CC must be involved, when there is a perfectly good irc council of 4, 3 if we decide I've been bullying and am not suitable to be making this deicision.
[10:50] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: ^
[10:51] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: because there have been various allegations, from multiple people, about the irc council being off the rails, being abusive, and bullying.  Presumably they'll want to look into all of it.
[10:52] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: more of the council than just me?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: is there a public wiki on the IRC council?
[11:01] <PriceChild> gnomefreak: This one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil ?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> looking
[11:01] <gnomefreak> that looks right thanks
[11:07] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines should be updated atleast the Please don't bring bots section
[11:08] <ikonia> gnomefreak: what needs updating on the bots
[11:08] <ikonia> the details, or the fact that bots are now welcome ( I didn't think they where )
[11:08] <gnomefreak> There already are 2 bots: ubuntulog (logging) and ubotu (factoids) - there really is no need for more bots
[11:08] <ikonia> ahh
[11:08] <gnomefreak> neither of them are here
[11:08] <ikonia> so a better description on that line of the current situation
[11:09] <jrib> which bot logs now?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> list bots anad maybe explain a little more on why dont bring in bots
[11:09] <jrib> ubuntulog is there it seems
[11:09] <gnomefreak> jrib: god only knows
[11:09] <gnomefreak> jrib: he was gone for a while as i understood it and i havent looked to see if hes around
[11:10] <ikonia> done
[11:10] <PriceChild> Lets update the bots page when something permenant is made.
[11:10] <ikonia> document updated to reflect current situation
[11:10] <ikonia> can be updated with more info
[11:11] <gnomefreak> ikonia: the reason i didnt just edit it is because of "/!\ Do not edit this page without discussing any changes with the Ubuntu IRC council who maintain this page. "
[11:11] <ikonia> wow - I didn't see that
[11:11] <ikonia> I can undo it
[11:11] <ikonia> apologies
[11:11] <PriceChild> meh, tis fine as it is
[11:11] <PriceChild> it'll just need changing again later :)
[11:11] <ikonia> yes, it will need updating, I just removed the actual bot names
[11:12] <ikonia> do you want me to leave/undo ?
[11:12] <ikonia> apologies, my bad call
[11:12] <PriceChild> noo doesn't really matter :)
[11:12] <gnomefreak> what are we waiting for to make changes perm. seveas would have come back if he planned on coming back in near future
[11:12] <PriceChild> canonical
[11:13] <jrib> well I'm sure the ubotu nick can be obtained once a permanent host is established
[11:13] <ikonia> maybe a new name
[11:13] <ikonia> fresh start
[11:28] <DrDerek> could someone add !rimshot so the bot will reply with "Ba Dun Tssh" ?
[11:28] <DrDerek> for the Ironic and Horrible Pun Moments
[11:29] <DrDerek> That is all.
[11:31] <ikonia> standby on liassist
[11:31] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[11:31] <ikonia> he's building up to something
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ikonia: that might be better in -offtopic
[11:34] <ikonia> it's going there now I know what he wants
[11:34] <gnomefreak> and your correct it makes no sense
[11:34] <ikonia> I thought he wanted membership
[11:35] <gnomefreak> membership really shouldnt be in a support channel IMHO
[11:35] <gnomefreak> did you try !membership?
[11:35] <ikonia> I was about to post the link
[11:35] <ikonia> but then it changed to a job request
[11:36] <ikonia> so I'd move him to off-topic
[11:36] <ikonia> but he's a 14 year old kid messing around as I read it
[11:37] <gnomefreak> i highly doubt he will get a job with canonical being 14 and im sure not a whole lot of experence with Ubuntu/programming ect
[11:37] <ikonia> well, I doubt he's done a ccna also if you check the requirments ;)
[11:37] <ikonia> requirments
[11:38] <gnomefreak> i agree
[11:39] <ikonia> I suspect he is like a friends little bother who is a "wannabe" geek
[11:39] <ikonia> eg: trying a bit too hard to show he can do stuf
[11:39] <ikonia> stuff
[11:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: getting a job with canonical is *hard*
[11:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no 14 y/o will be able to get it.
[11:41] <gnomefreak> yeah i heard about it being hard
[11:42]  * gnomefreak looking at the jobs posted and there is no way he has manager or development experence
[11:43]  * gnomefreak didnt know LP was python and or bash
[11:43] <ikonia> LP = bash ?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Experience with common scripting languages, including Python and Bash
[11:44] <gnomefreak> for an LP job
[11:44] <gnomefreak> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_LQAE/
[11:44] <ikonia> basj for the cron jobs behind the front maybe ?
[11:44] <ikonia> bash even
[11:45] <gnomefreak> maybe
[11:45] <gnomefreak> that would fit
[11:45] <ikonia> otherwise, someone is a bash genius to make that sort of front end :)
[11:45] <ikonia> and I'd like to meet him/her
[11:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: lp is python.
[11:47] <Hobbsee> so it's probably cron jobs, or something
[11:48] <gnomefreak> i thought Lp was XML but neveer really checked
[11:49] <ikonia> gnomefreak: ok -offtopic confirms he's just trying too hard
[11:52] <ikonia> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_UGM/
[11:52] <ikonia> that would be a cool job
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ikonia: that looks like the hardest job to get in the sense that your coding exp. needs to be long and with many scripting/languages
[12:04]  * gnomefreak wonders who left the desktop team/ gnome maintainer
[12:05] <ikonia> gnomefreak: looks exceptionally interesting and a nice high profile roll too
[12:06] <gnomefreak> that it does
[12:06] <ikonia> there was also a PM role, who I think I know someone who may be good for (HR system) I may point them at it
[12:07] <gnomefreak> best way to get a job is from a referal atleast for me
[12:08] <ikonia> I think she'd be really good match with her skill set
[12:08] <ikonia> I'll give her a nudge
[12:08] <ikonia> gnomefreak: referals normally match the persons skill set better as it's someone who "know" them
[12:09] <gnomefreak> be back in a few i have to read this and grab a smoke
[12:49] <bazhang_> AntiSpamMeta (n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot) has joined #ubuntu
[12:50] <Pici> hm
[12:50] <jrib> as long as he doesn't talk, idc
[12:50] <bazhang_> the /whois is interesting as well
[12:50] <jrib> we can invite afterdeath here
[12:50] <jrib> he's also in #ubuntu
[12:50] <gnomefreak> we dropped all his bots a while ago and i thought he was on a perm ban from seveas
[12:51] <gnomefreak> i dont think its in our best interest to wait and see if bot talks incase it floods from backlog or just normal output
[12:52] <bazhang_> ban first?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> perventive maintainence
[12:52] <jrib> I disagree, lets talk first
[12:52] <ikonia> test it - message it see what it does
[12:52] <ikonia> ?
[12:52] <bazhang_> and by ban I mean of course mute :)
[12:53] <jrib> talk with the human :)
[12:53] <ikonia> that way only your pm gets flooded
[12:53] <ikonia> humans - bah
[12:53] <gnomefreak> no warn him about bot than remove but do we wait for it to flood channel? antispambot im sure has some kind of output
[12:53] <ikonia> the policy on bots is "none" is it not ?
[12:53]  * gnomefreak never used the work ban
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ikonia: correct
[12:53] <ikonia> there you go then
[12:53] <ikonia> or am I missing something ?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ikonia: we tried to update the page but a council member said dont
[12:54] <jrib> erm, I can't op here anymore?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ~2 hours ago
[12:54] <gnomefreak> i can
[12:54] <Pici> lucky you
[12:54] <gnomefreak> jrib: is it saying you dont have access?
[12:55] <jrib> "ChanServ (ChanServ@services.): You are not authorized to perform this operation."
[12:55] <Pici> I think the template flags for this channel should be setup differently.
[12:55] <bazhang_> both bot and human have been /msg'ed no response
[12:55] <Pici> They're a bit odd atm.
[12:55] <gnomefreak> jrib: your on access list still
[12:56] <Pici> jrib only has +ViA in here.
[12:56] <gnomefreak> jrib: i think you need this flag +vVotiA
[12:57] <gnomefreak> or atleast one of them cant remember but i looked this morning
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i guess that would fit as half-op?
[12:58] <bazhang_> how does that correspond to +tncz?
[12:58] <bazhang_> no response either in channel or via PM
[12:59] <jrib> also, why do I have "oper privs: u"?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> jrib: where? i thought you were on ops team
[12:59] <jrib> /whois jrib
[12:59] <Pici> jrib: so you can join more than 20 channels
[13:00] <jrib> oh
[13:00] <jrib> :)
[13:00] <gnomefreak> yeah that u
[13:00] <bazhang_> have to step out; no response via PM or in channel yet
[13:01] <gnomefreak> freenode wont give you op mode on connecction unless you are staff and im not sure how that mode works
[13:01] <gnomefreak> bazhang_: the bot?
[13:01] <jrib> so, how about we ban the bot, and let him no in PM that he should come here to discuss it?
[13:01] <jrib> s/no/know
[13:01] <bazhang_> gnomefreak, neither has responded only talked in channel to human though
[13:01] <gnomefreak> jrib: yeah and point him to irc guidelines
[13:01] <ikonia> the bot hasn't said anything in #gentoo either
[13:01] <ikonia> (as a side comment)
[13:02] <Pici> Its a bit odd that its in some -ops channels
[13:02] <gnomefreak> ikonia: for all we know it can be piping to his channel
[13:02] <ikonia> fyi: AntiSpamMeta
[13:02] <ikonia> oops
[13:02] <ikonia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WHeimbigner
[13:03] <Pici> hm
[13:04] <gnomefreak> if he doesnt have ops in #ubuntu why is the bot in there?
[13:04] <gnomefreak> see sentence under AnitSpamBot
[13:04] <Dave2> gnomefreak, what do you mean by op mode?
[13:04] <ikonia> hence why I posted
[13:05] <gnomefreak> and if he does we cant have a bot banning peopel
[13:05] <gnomefreak> people
[13:05] <gnomefreak> Dave2: for what? the bot or freenode comment
[13:05] <Dave2> the freenode comment
[13:05] <Pici> gnomefreak: The bot has no access in #ubuntu
[13:05] <gnomefreak> Dave2: freenode doesnt set an op mode when you connect
[13:05] <Dave2> I don't know what you mean by an op mode
[13:05] <Pici> Whats an op mode?
[13:06] <gnomefreak> Dave2: there isnt one
[13:06] <gnomefreak> Dave2: jrib had thought +u was op mode
[13:06] <gnomefreak> my comment was freenode doesnt set an op mode when connecting unles smaybe staff has a mode for them
[13:07] <Pici> gnomefreak: No, it says: "oper modes: u"
[13:07] <Dave2> Oh, right - +u is an oper-only umode, but how new services work is that it grants you it if you've been given it.
[13:07] <gnomefreak> Dave2: thats the way its always worked no?
[13:07] <Pici> I think so, except now it explicitly says 'oper mode' on it
[13:07] <gnomefreak> it has set it for me for over a year now
[13:07] <Dave2> Nope, before these services NickServ just set the mode on you, rather than granting it - you couldn't disable/enable it at will.
[13:07] <gnomefreak> ah i didnt read that
[13:08]  * Pici shrugs, is just guessing
[13:08] <gnomefreak> i cant stand the ghosting reply
[13:08] <Pici> Anyway, did anyone mute the bot in #ubuntu?
[13:08] <gnomefreak> 04:35 -!- Mode change [+e] for user gnomefreak
[13:08] <gnomefreak> 04:35 !brown.freenode.net NickServ has bestowed the power of +u onto you
[13:08] <gnomefreak> 04:35 -!- Mode change [+u] for user gnomefreak
[13:08] <Dave2> (wrt. the bot, I was under the impression that it was there with permission - it doesn't speak in the channels it monitors, it reports things elsewhere.)
[13:08] <gnomefreak> i dont see anything about +u
[13:09] <Myrtti> ♥
[13:09] <Mez> gnomefreak, +u is uber wub
[13:09] <Pici> unt
[13:09] <Pici> o
[13:09] <Mez> (aka join more than 20 chans)
[13:10] <Dave2> gnomefreak, /whois yourself and you'll see what jrib was talking about
[13:10] <gnomefreak> well we asked about updating the guidelines wiki about bots and PriceChild said no not until we get our bots set up (im guessing server) so it still states no bots
[13:10] <Myrtti> heellllllooo
[13:10] <jrib> hi Myrtti
[13:10] <Pici> helooooo over there
[13:10] <Myrtti> I just had wonderful extended lunch with jussi01 :-)
[13:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: which is incorrect, anyway, due to the official, irc-sanctioned irseek.
[13:10] <gnomefreak> ah you can only see it on your own /whois
[13:10] <Mez> Myrtti, you poor thing
[13:11] <Myrtti> pft
[13:11] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:11] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: we were gonna update it but one of the IRCC said dont
[13:11] <Pici> gnomefreak: Just like you see extended information on your own nsinfo
[13:11] <gnomefreak> so i assume we are sticking with no bots
[13:11] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: makes oh so much sense, yup.
[13:11] <ikonia> I did change part of it, but it was ok to leave it
[13:11] <ikonia> I'll happy finish it off with a green light
[13:11] <Pici> I always understood it as: "No bots, unless approved"
[13:11] <Dave2> There's another umode which allows you to see other people's privileges, but that one is restricted to a subset of staff.
[13:12] <gnomefreak> Pici: right and they were not approved often
[13:12] <Mez> Dave2, are you a subset ?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> as for IRCseekbot it is optional per channel
[13:12] <jrib> okay, I'm going to the bot now as AfterDeath has not responded, unless anyone disagrees?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> and was oked but CC
[13:13] <jrib> s/to/to ban
[13:13] <gnomefreak> jrib: nope go for it you are just following the guidelines
[13:13] <Pici> iirc, the only approved bots are: Floodbots, ubotu backups, metabot, and my bot (which I was using for bantracker testing but havent really done anything with in a while).
[13:13] <Pici> And irseekbot
[13:14] <Pici> and logbot.
[13:14] <gnomefreak> Pici: well yes but per wiki its only ubotu and ubuntulog
[13:14] <gnomefreak> but it wasnt updated for floodbot nor irseek
[13:15] <gnomefreak> problem here is you let that bot in why cant i bring my trivia bot in
[13:15] <Myrtti> pwuh
[13:15] <gnomefreak> or whatever the user has
[13:16] <gnomefreak> that is why the no bots rule was made IIRC
[13:17] <ikonia> seems like a list of approved bots needs to be maintained
[13:17] <ikonia> remove confusion
[13:17] <ikonia> eg: if your bot is not on page X - it's not allowed
[13:17] <ikonia> that way the discussion ends
[13:18] <Dave2> Mez, I'm certainly _a_ subset, yes.
[13:19] <Mez> Dave2, a special one of your own ;)
[13:20] <elky> jussi01, i had no idea you were aussie!
[13:24] <Hobbsee> elky: ?
[13:24] <Myrtti> with a genuine accent to boot!
[13:25] <elky> Hobbsee, jussi01 is apparantly one of us.
[13:26]  * elky munches on lindt chocolate
[13:26] <Hobbsee> elky: what makes you think that, though?
[13:26]  * Hobbsee has missed something, clearly
[13:26] <elky> Hobbsee, myrtti loves his aussie accent...
[13:27] <ikonia> he's faking it
[13:27] <ikonia> it gets the girls
[13:27] <Myrtti> a) I just had extended lunch with him and yes, he does have an accent and b) he said so himself
 o.O
 why would jussi01 have an aussie accent?
 well, because he is aussie?
 you didn't know?
 :D
 elky_work: you really didnt know I was an Aussie?
[13:27] <elky> ikonia, it sure has Myrtti sucked in :)
[13:28] <Myrtti> btw, he's taller than I thought :-P
[13:28] <ikonia> elky: I'm practicing mine now if it works that easy
[13:29] <elky> ikonia, dont you just have to tell people you 'founded' LFS? */me chortles*
[13:29] <elky> (no he did not)
[13:29] <elky> that gets all the girls, right?
[13:29] <ikonia> elky: ha ha ha, touche
[13:29] <Myrtti> lfs?
[13:30] <elky> Myrtti, long story.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> elky: ahhh, right.
[13:30] <Myrtti> linux for shemales? /me runs
[13:30] <ikonia> linux for simpletons
[13:30] <elky> simpletons who know how to compile their own kernel etc
[13:31] <Myrtti> I procrastinating again
[13:31] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:31]  * ikonia waves a picture of jono at Myrtti 
[13:31] <Myrtti> ikonia: he's taken
[13:31] <Myrtti> noticed on Facebook
[13:31] <Myrtti> tainted meat.
[13:31] <Myrtti> me no touch.
[13:31] <ikonia> I'm just teasing, you made me laugh last night, ammused me like a school girl crush
[13:31] <elky> aww, poor Myrtti. you'll have to settle for jussi01
[13:31] <Myrtti> he's married
[13:31] <elky> aww
[13:31] <Myrtti> even more tainted
[13:32] <ikonia> "g'day, I'd like anotha shriimp, or tha barbie"
[13:32] <ikonia> how was that
[13:32] <elky> um. our vocabulary contains more than those words.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> that never stopped my ex wife
[13:32] <ikonia> elky: thats all I can do with the access though
[13:33] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: I'm a girl with high morale
[13:33] <ikonia> elky: your last phrase sounds like an English toff in court
[13:33] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:33] <ikonia> s/access/accent
[13:33] <elky> ikonia, i get called british or canadian so often its not funny.
[13:33] <elky> my mother is half deaf, so i've learned to speak 'properly'
[13:33] <ikonia> the head board master is here
[13:34]  * ikonia bows to Jack_Sparrow 
[13:34] <ikonia> elky: do you get called british due to pronouncing worlds correctly, or an accent
[13:35] <elky> ikonia, proper aussie accent prohibits the proper pronunciation and hence proper mouthing of many words
[13:35] <elky> my mother lip reads
[13:36] <ikonia> ok, now I see the deaf comments relevance more
[13:36] <ikonia> I thought just speaking clearly to help
[13:36] <elky> :)
[13:36] <ikonia> but lip reading makes more sense
[13:37] <bazhang_> afterdeath +bot cleared up yet?
[13:37] <gnomefreak> bazhang_: its not in #ubuntu atm
[13:37] <bazhang_> gnomefreak, take for a yes then :)
[13:37] <elky> what's this about afterdeath's bot? afterdeath does alot of anti-botnet work, leave his bot alone.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> bazhang_: well cleared up maybe not im sure he will complain
[13:38] <bazhang_> he was asked in pm and channel about it and no response
[13:38] <elky> bazhang_, is he currently idle? he is human, so does sleep some times.
[13:39] <Pici> bazhang_: gnomefreak: jrib banned it
[13:39] <gnomefreak> elky: than i suggest that the council get to updating the wikis since we were told to leave it how it was
[13:39] <bazhang_> not sure elky ; saw his bot enter and pointed it out
[13:39] <bazhang_> thanks Pici
[13:39] <gnomefreak> since atm 2 council member with 2 different ideas
[13:40] <elky> who is the other?
[13:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Goodmorning Ikonia...
[13:40] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: told us to not change it from what it was until bot stuff gets worked out
[13:41] <Pici> oh hey, EMEA is today, I thought it was wednesday... /me updates calendar
[13:42] <ikonia> Pici: was that for my benifit ;)
[13:42] <Myrtti> oh, it's today?
[13:42] <Myrtti> damn
[13:42] <elky> i still dont know what EMEA stands for...
[13:42] <ikonia> Pici: I'll be there this time
[13:42] <Myrtti> I was sure it was tomorrow
[13:42] <Pici> elky: Europe, Middle East, Africa
[13:42] <Myrtti> Pici: thanks for reminding
[13:42] <ikonia> elky: Europe Middle East Africa
[13:42] <elky> ah. cool
[13:43] <Pici> It sounds more mysterious when its just EMEA though.
[13:43] <bazhang_> in ubuntu-meeting again?
[13:43] <elky> i was trying to work the membership board into the acronym
[13:45] <gnomefreak> what meeting is tomorrow?
[13:45] <bazhang_> what time is it in #ubuntu-meeting?
[13:45] <Pici> bazhang_: Probably the same time it is in here.
[13:45] <bazhang_> okay; let me re-phrase
[13:46] <gnomefreak> 5pm meeting tomorrow and i cant remember for what. brb checking sites
[13:46] <bazhang_> what time is the emea meeting to be held, presumably in the channel #ubuntu-meeting today
[13:46] <Pici> bazhang_: 20:00UTC
[13:46] <gnomefreak> ah it is CC meeting
[13:46] <bazhang_> Pici, thanks
[13:53] <ikonia> Myrtti: I had no idea you where not a member yet
[13:57] <Myrtti> innit funny?
[13:58] <Myrtti> basically I just couldn't apply because of my work until recently
[13:59] <Myrtti> my employer might've had a say about me being a member and working for a company sponsored by Novell and Redhat
[13:59] <Pici> Thats a bit odd
[13:59] <Pici> Why should it really matter what you do on your own free time...?
[14:00] <Myrtti> because I don't have free time...? basically I'm too well known in Finland
[14:00] <Myrtti> now that I work for a different company that doesn't have those kinds of affiliations, I'm scott free to do what ever I like
[14:01] <Pici> Ahh, free time.
[14:01] <ikonia> Pici: you also surprised me
[14:04] <Seeker`> morning
[14:05] <jpds> afternoon Seeker`
[14:05] <bazhang_> evening
[14:05] <Myrtti> 20:00 UTC is like the same time it was last week?
[14:05] <Myrtti> @now Helsinki
[14:06] <Myrtti> grr
[14:06] <Pici> @now
[14:06] <Myrtti> [16:06] < Myrtti> @schedule Helsinki
[14:06] <Myrtti> [16:06] < ubottu> Myrtti: Schedule for Europe/Helsinki: Current meeting: Bugs fo Day | 02 Jun 23:00: EMEA membership meeting | 04 Jun 00:00: Co Council | 04 Jun 09:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 19:00: LoCo Cou 05 Jun 00:00:  Server Team
[14:06] <jpds> noone in that meeting :p
[14:06] <Pici> Same bat time.
[14:07] <Pici> Same bat channel.
[14:07] <ikonia> Pici: is that bat fink  ?
[14:08] <ikonia> or bat man
[14:08] <Pici> ikonia: huh? Its from the Batman TV show
[14:08] <Myrtti> oh doodah.
[14:08] <Pici> camptown ladies sing this song?
[14:08] <ikonia> Pici: I remember a spoof line in a bat fink cartoon, I couldn't remember which was real, which was the spoof line
[14:11] <Myrtti> mmm peaches
[14:15] <Myrtti> AHAHAHHAHHAHHAHA
[14:15] <Myrtti> [16:12] < vecciora> Why Ubuntu doesn't make a useful multi-function panel like SUSE and  Mandriva does?
[14:15] <Myrtti> [16:13] < vecciora> Yast2 and drakconf were useful and easy to use.
[14:15] <Myrtti> yast2 ROFLLLLL
[14:15] <Myrtti> that just makes me crack up
[14:15] <Myrtti> that was from #xubuntu btw
[14:16] <Pici> I've never used Yast... I remember using linuxconf on redhat a long while ago though.
[14:16] <Myrtti> Pici: count your blessings then
[14:16] <ikonia> Pici: yast came along way quick.....then about 10 years ago stopped and never moved
[14:17] <Myrtti> I don't have suitable words for this channel to fully express my feelings for that "#Â€&/(#%Â€%& #Â€%/#(&)# b "&"//I(Â€()Â€&#&%""&% 45
[14:24] <AfterDeath> Hey, AntiSpamMeta is my bot. It doesn't talk _at all_ in #ubuntu; it watches for what it thinks is spam, and reports it to ##asb-nexus (invite-only channel, +I's available on request). I've noted it here before, and got a "it's okay by me" from one of the ops before (don't remember which)
[14:25] <AfterDeath> I had it in #ubuntu because #ubuntu seems to attract more spam than other channels, which means it's easier to improve the bot's detections and such
[14:25] <AfterDeath> anyways, I've got to go to school and stuff, but I'll be back in a few hours, hilight me if you've got questions
[14:26] <AfterDeath> oh, and fwiw, the bot has been in #ubuntu for several months without problems
[14:26] <Pici> AfterDeath: I think it might just be a case of miscommunication here, we'll sort it out though.
[14:26] <AfterDeath> k
[14:29] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:32] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[14:32] <Myrtti> school girl crushes my hiney
[14:32] <ikonia> heh
[14:33] <Myrtti> I'd call it plain desperation, but nevermind
[14:37] <ikonia> *cough* g'day Myrtti
[14:37] <ikonia> (testing my accent)
[14:38] <Myrtti> mmm
[14:38] <ikonia> not quite there yet
[14:39] <Myrtti> close though
[14:59] <PriceChild> What prompted AfterDeath to come in here?
[14:59] <jpds> er
[14:59] <Hobbsee> his bot in #ubuntu, from reading the backscroll
[15:00] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: yes but its always been there, I was wondering if someone had kicked it or something.
[15:00] <ompaul> jpds, ?
[15:00] <PriceChild> elky: I'm fine with people updating the wiki to name specific bots if you want to, i just think it could be kept as it is until we get a permenant host sorted out.
[15:00] <jpds> ompaul: I just didn't understand PC's message from reading above
[15:00] <PriceChild> I can't spell can I.
[15:00] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: if you'd read backscroll, you would know that it had been discussed, and they then decided to kick it out.
[15:01] <PriceChild> I saw nothing in the immediate backscroll behind him appearing, will read further.
[15:01] <PriceChild> Apologies Hobbsee.
[15:02] <PriceChild> jussi01: pfft, you're not an aussie.
[15:02] <Hobbsee> check 2 hours, 20 mins ago, and the time after that.
[15:02] <Myrtti> PriceChild: he is, he is
[15:02] <bazhang_> it was I who called attention to it; a bit nervous after the recent bible spamming
[15:03] <bazhang_> my apologies if fears were unfounded
[15:03] <bazhang_> I have said so to after-death in PM as well
[15:03]  * Seeker` notes that Mootbot is an approved bot too
[15:05] <PriceChild> Ah so I see it all now, noticed the bot, some decided not to do anything unless it did something first, messaged bot and owner and then you kickbanned it?
[15:06] <bazhang_> in essence yes PriceChild
[15:07] <PriceChild> in essence?
[15:07] <Myrtti> why?
[15:10] <jrib> Yes, a list of accepted bots or a change in the rules that all silent bots are allowed without necessary permission (which I think makes sense) is a good idea
[15:10] <bazhang_> and should be so documented to avoid confusion
[15:11] <PriceChild> I guess the definition of 'bot' needs to be made...
[15:11] <PriceChild> as far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't speak in #ubuntu, its a client.
[15:11] <Hobbsee> so, irseek is a client?
[15:11] <jrib> that's fine, can we place that definition in the guidelines?
[15:11] <Hobbsee> interesting
[15:12] <ompaul> PriceChild, there are people who join and lurk
[15:13] <PriceChild> Hobbsee > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IRSeekDiscussion
[15:13] <Myrtti> what's wrong with idle lurking?
[15:13] <PriceChild> Myrtti: depends on the channel
[15:13] <Myrtti> pardon moi, but most channels actually suggest it as to get to know the channel unwritten rules
[15:14] <Myrtti> idle lurk for a while, and participate when you feel comfortable to do so
[15:14] <PriceChild> Myrtti: yeah... I don't mind people doing it in #ubuntu for example :)
[15:15] <jrib> I'm removing the AfterDeath ban after the explanation
[15:15] <Myrtti> as for the "silent bots", there's actually no way of telling if someone is a bot or not, since ctcp versions and all that can be spoofed
[15:15] <PriceChild> yup
[15:15] <Myrtti> and most clients can be geared to act as bots with proper plugins
[15:16] <jrib> turing test?
[15:16] <ompaul> fail
[15:16] <ompaul> no reply does not mean not being read
[15:16] <Myrtti> jrib: why bother, if they don't answer to any !bot calls
[15:16] <jrib> Myrtti: more of a joke
[15:16] <ompaul> forgot humour plugin
[15:16] <Myrtti> the only problem with the bots is if they start messing around with the official ones
[15:16] <ompaul> and that gets spotted
[15:17] <ompaul> and sorted
[15:17] <Myrtti> yup
[15:17] <Daviey> one slight problem... it _could_ be easy to deploy a botnet gradually..
[15:17] <jrib> Daviey: but would be able to notice anyway?
[15:18] <Myrtti> but there's no good way of telling a bot from a client
[15:18] <Seeker`> Daviey: How do you distinguish between a silent user and a silent bot?
[15:18] <Daviey> well a bot is a client :)
[15:18] <Myrtti> Daviey: a human and a program then
[15:18] <Daviey> Seeker`: you can't, obv.
[15:18] <PriceChild> Seeker`: does it matter in that case?
[15:18] <jpds> "< ubottu> It's ok, I can't stay mad at you." <- hahaha
[15:18] <Myrtti> I think we're splitting hairs here
[15:18] <Daviey> yah=
[15:18] <Seeker`> Daviey: So no matter what our policies are, it will be possible to slowly deploy a botnet
[15:19] <Myrtti> exactly
[15:19] <Daviey> Seeker`: yes
[15:19] <Seeker`> Daviey: so what is your point?
[15:19] <jrib> jpds: this is one of my favorite: ubotu: Thank you, with your encouragement earlieri this morning, finally i lay my hand on Kubuntu for the first time in my life. :D, thank u very much.
[15:19] <bazhang_> nice :)
[15:20] <jpds> jrib: what fact is that?
[15:20] <Myrtti> tobmalf at -offtopic
[15:20] <jrib> jpds: my ~/ubuntu_quotes A user came in and said that
[15:20] <Myrtti> who took his ban off anyway?
[15:21] <jpds> jrib: aha. I personally don't keep quotes.
[15:22] <jrib> jpds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16409/
[15:23] <jpds> !seen | PriceChild - seenserv no longer exists :(
[15:25] <jpds> jrib: haha, those are good.
[15:29] <jpds> jrib: so this is what IRSeek plans to do in the end.
[15:29] <jrib> ha
[15:29] <Myrtti> watch over tobmalf in -offtopic and poke me if any troubles arise
[15:47] <Pici> Isnt tobmalf the 'poor $user' guy?
[16:01] <bazhang_> chun cant be for real
[16:02] <Pici> bazhang_: why not?
[16:02] <Pici> the xrog?
[16:02] <bazhang_> Pici, too many inconsistencies on what he/she has been asking about
[16:02] <seisen> is anybody from the IRC council on here right now that isn't busy?
[16:03] <Pici> seisen: I'm not sure if any of them are active right now, is there something that another op can help you with?
[16:05] <seisen> unfortunately no
[16:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ^
[16:07] <jpds> Pici: he'd like his cloak back
[16:07] <ompaul> which one?
[16:07]  * ompaul stops and rethinks that
[16:10] <Myrtti> Pici: no, that's not the poor $user guy
[16:10] <Myrtti> poor feller is +d Java?User
[16:10] <bazhang_> wow
[16:11] <Pici> Myrtti: The name sounds familiar, and not in a good way.
[16:11] <Pici> flambot...
[16:11] <Myrtti> indeed
[16:11] <Myrtti> I've banned it once
[16:11] <Pici> As have I
[16:12] <jrib> me too!
[16:12] <bazhang_> me three
[16:12] <Myrtti> 15 - #ubuntu-offtopic: ban *!*n=tobmaif@*.dsl.bell.ca [by  Myrtti!i=myrtti@myrtti.fi, 3056813 secs ago]
[16:12] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: poke me when you are around, thanks
[16:15] <seisen> I will bbl maybe I catch somebody later
[16:15] <Myrtti> trying to do a turing test on it
[16:16] <Myrtti> lets see what that does
[16:16] <Pici> ompaul  ...
[16:17] <ompaul> it failed :)
[16:17] <ompaul> Pici, .....
[16:18] <Myrtti> is the banlist full or something?
[16:19] <Pici> Myrtti: why?
[16:20] <Myrtti> it allowed me to reset that ban only after I first removed the first
[16:20] <Myrtti> I'm taking my own bans that I don't remember putting off
[16:20] <Myrtti> ie. one.
[16:21] <ompaul> i'll take out some less suspect old once
[16:23] <ompaul> PriceChild, can we extend the ban list in -ot
[16:23] <Myrtti> Pici:  *!?=WP-Gast@*
[16:23] <nalioth> Myrtti: if the first ban covers your 2nd ban, it won't allow the 2nd to be set
[16:23] <Myrtti> what does that ? do
[16:23] <ompaul> nalioth, ^^
[16:23] <Myrtti> like regexp?
[16:24] <Myrtti> I'd like to take that ban off and put one of the bans that ompaul just took off back on, modified a bit
[16:24] <ompaul> Myrtti, put one of those back
[16:24] <Myrtti> that's the "poor $user" -fellow
[16:24] <bazhang_> what a charmer
[16:24] <Myrtti> but I can't understand that  *!?=WP-Gast@* thing
[16:24] <bazhang_> twas gasten iirc
[16:24] <Myrtti> nope
[16:25] <Myrtti> he's kosher
[16:25] <Myrtti> oh well
[16:26] <Myrtti> I think that's more appropriate
[16:26] <Myrtti> I wouldn't want to do the +d Java?User
[16:26] <Pici> Myrtti: Its a 1 character wildcard
[16:27] <ompaul> have fun back later
[16:27] <Myrtti> like regexp then
[16:27] <Pici> Myrtti: java?user* is banned
[16:27] <Myrtti> it is?
[16:27] <Pici> in #ubuntu
[16:27] <Myrtti> yeah
[16:27] <Pici> *Java?User*
[16:27] <Myrtti> I don't like it at all
[16:27] <Pici> Why?
[16:27] <Myrtti> I think that ban is a bit too wide
[16:28] <Myrtti> there might be valid users with that as a real name
[16:28] <Myrtti> the world would collapse if we'd do +d purple
[16:28] <Pici> Probably
[16:29] <Myrtti> I've got autorealname in my irssi and about half of the joins I see are realname purples
[16:29] <Pici> We've gotten a fair bit of abuse from java irc clients though
[16:29] <Hobbsee> forward to -proxy-users?
[16:29] <Myrtti> true, that particular one comes from a distinguishable ident and hosname
[16:29] <Myrtti> hostnema
[16:29] <Myrtti> damnit
[16:29] <Myrtti> HOSTNAME
[16:30] <Pici> Hobbsee: Can forwards be set for +d ? I forget.
[16:31] <Hobbsee> don't think so
[16:42] <nalioth> Myrtti: the ? in *!?=WP-Gast@*  will catch wp-gast whether he's got ident running or not
[16:45] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib I am back..
[16:46] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: I am now
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow> pm
[16:52] <Pici> Are the irc stats pages still up?
[16:56] <jpds> Pici: no, gouki took it down ages ago
[16:56] <Pici> jpds: it was down, then it was up for a bit, guess its down again
[16:59] <jpds> Pici: Yeah. I guess he didn't get the donations he wanted.
[17:02] <Myrtti> jussi01: btw, you're taller than I somehow expected :-P
[17:02] <jussi01> Myrtti: really :D
[17:02] <Myrtti> yeah
[17:02] <Myrtti> and thru and thru aussie
[17:02] <Myrtti> no question about that
[17:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Hobbsee May I have a minute of your time..
[17:03] <jussi01> Myrtti: LOL
[17:03] <Hobbsee> Jack_Sparrow: yes, but i'm heading to bed, so may not respond immediately.
[17:04] <Myrtti> jussi01: test drove the barbeque and it's awesome ♥
[17:04] <jussi01> Myrtti: nice!
[17:05] <Myrtti> I wonder if I'll have an overdose of chicken by midsommers
[17:05] <Myrtti> summers, even
[17:05] <jpds> Hobbsee: you IRC in your sleep?
[17:05] <Myrtti> midsommaren
[17:06] <jussi01> juhannus
[17:10]  * Pici keeps an eye on sriramoman
[17:10] <Myrtti> where
[17:10] <Myrtti> noted
[17:11] <Pici> #ubuntu, seems to be some misinformation on some of the things hes suggesting
[17:12] <bazhang_> sriramoman> PPKuma, certain commands do not work with sudo. try su instead
[17:13] <Pici> Yes, like that.
[17:13] <jpds> looks like !noroot time.
[17:13] <bazhang_> hehe
[17:14] <Hobbsee> jpds: no, but i have a 24x7 irc proxy...
[17:14] <bazhang_> I dreamt of ubotu last night
[17:14] <Myrtti> lol
[17:14] <bazhang_> true
[17:14] <Myrtti> I dreamt that I had a bigger apartment
[17:15] <jussi01> bazhang_: please, go take a break from IRC
[17:15] <bazhang_> jussi01, it was a good dream :)
[17:15] <jussi01> @lart bazhang_ for deaming about ubotu
[17:15]  * ubottu pokes bazhang_ in the eye for deaming about ubotu
[17:15] <jpds> hmm
[17:16] <bazhang_> youch
[17:16] <jussi01> :P
[17:16] <jussi01> ok, this lart db officially sucks
[17:16] <jpds> jussi01: I dreamt abut IRC once.
[17:17] <jussi01> jpds: yeah, but we all know you are mad...
[17:19] <Daviey> DCC CHAT from afed [66.232.140.34 port 19]  requested in channel #ubuntu
[17:19] <Daviey> port _19_ aswell
[17:19] <jpds> Daviey: yeah, the bot banned him and he left
[17:20] <Daviey> ah, missed that
[17:21] <nalioth> klined, Daviey
[17:21] <nalioth> these pathetic souls don't last long here
[17:21] <Daviey> heh
[17:22] <Daviey> I could see a DCC to a channel as an accident, or not aware it's bad pratice.  But on port 19, sounded deliberate
[17:24] <jpds> I've removed the bot's ban as per above.
[17:25] <Myrtti> Why do I always have to forget what I'm supposed to do?
[17:26] <nalioth> Myrtti: you don't keep your notepad handy?
[17:27] <Myrtti> nalioth: well this idea came out of the blue when looking at some irc convo
[17:27] <Myrtti> and vanished within 15secs
[17:27] <Myrtti> oh yeah, now i remember
[17:29] <Myrtti> "check out the driver package you downloaded on Saturday from Acer's website and see if you can make ndiswrapper work"
[17:48] <Pici> Hmm.. Werent we forwarding the 83.230 crowd to #ubuntu-greylist ?
[17:49] <Pici> I've re-muted it for now.
[18:06] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit  [citation-needed] :)
[18:07] <CarlFK> anyone have a URL describing the venerability?
[18:08] <nalioth> CarlFK: in english, please  :)
[18:08] <Pici> The venerable vulnerability?
[18:08] <CarlFK> I am at my GFs parents house, they have a Linksys wrt54g -
[18:08] <CarlFK> doh
[18:10] <CarlFK> i don't exactly want to go updating their firmware without some sort of proof that there is a problem
[18:10] <ompaul> CarlFK, ehh how about this - you go to the linksys website and check what their flash upgrades fix and see if your firmware is beyond that
[18:11] <ompaul> for instance: http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Wireless_Routers&thread.id=88758
[18:11] <ompaul> CarlFK, is there anything else?
[18:12] <Pici> CarlFK: DCC exploit should be enough info to find any relevant information.  We dont put the specifics of the exploit on the wiki because we would rather not popularize its use.
[18:12] <ompaul> CarlFK, is there anything else?
[18:13] <ompaul> CarlFK, are you still there?
[18:13] <CarlFK> read taht page
[18:14] <ompaul> CarlFK, ok that is as much as we will do for you on it as Pici pointed out
[18:14] <ompaul> CarlFK, is there anything else?
[18:15] <CarlFK> was hoping for something a bit more ... but I'll keep googeling
[18:15] <ompaul> have a nice day then
[18:15] <ompaul> cheers
[18:15] <CarlFK> thanks
[18:16] <ompaul> CarlFK, please part the channel we try to keep a track of who needs help and we know who should be here cheers
[18:16] <ompaul> if we get enough people idling then you could get lost in the mix
[18:17] <CarlFK> ah, sure.
[18:20] <u> my name is "u" and i was given warning!
[18:21] <Seeker`> wtf
[18:21] <Myrtti> tut tut
[18:22] <Pici> Seeker`: Two people used the !u  factoid on him
[18:22] <ompaul> I was of the opinion that single letter ohh forget it :-/
[18:23] <Myrtti> oh my gosh.
[18:23] <Myrtti> I just noticed that I'm not only thinking in English...
[18:23] <Myrtti> my thoughts have an goddamn Australian accent
[18:23] <Myrtti> >_____<
[18:24] <Pici> gday
[18:24] <Myrtti> I need brain bleach
[18:24] <Pici> Yes.
[18:24] <Myrtti> jussi01 has a bad influence on me
[18:25] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[18:25] <tonyyarusso> I should come visit next - you'll be saying "eh" and super-long O sounds all the time.
[18:32] <Myrtti> blimey
[18:33] <ompaul> or me and I could have you swearing as well as colin farrell :)
[18:33] <Myrtti> perhaps I should watch Clueless over and over for about 15 times
[18:33] <Myrtti> ompaul: I'd buy that for a dollar
[18:33] <Pici> Like, why would you like want to do that?
[18:33] <ompaul> haha
[18:33] <ompaul> Pici, the hair its all in the hair, you know nuttin you do
[18:33] <Myrtti> 'cause I've been accused of having a valley girl accent sometimes
[18:34]  * ompaul chuckles
[18:34] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: "me and I" ?
[18:34] <Myrtti> so perhaps if I watch, ummm Clueless couple of times, I could brain bleach this accent away
[18:34] <Myrtti> you know like, um, doh?
[18:34] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, me is me and I is goin somewere
[18:35] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: Totally!
[18:35] <Myrtti> cool.
[18:35] <ompaul> Myrtti, get the english language version of " In Bruges"
[18:36] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: or Bill and Ted's most excellent adventure
[18:36] <ompaul> and learn to speak like wha I does!
[18:36] <Myrtti> that's a classic
[18:36] <ompaul> excellent Myrtti
[18:36] <Myrtti> jussi actually commented that I've got a bit of cockney in my English
[18:37] <Myrtti> which might actually be caused by singing along with Lily Allen and Kate Nash, I believe
[18:37]  * ompaul goes away to think about the finer things in life like why my local TV station think I should have Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll
[18:38] <Myrtti> Kate Nash. The wonderful lyrics.
[18:40] <Pici> ompaul: mind if I pm?
[18:41] <ompaul> Pici, I never mind 99.999999951242354% of the time ;-)
[18:41] <tonyyarusso> after this it will be 99.999999951242353%
[19:03] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, hehe
[19:03] <Myrtti> oh dear, two hours
[19:03] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, it was +2
[19:06] <Myrtti> The Pipettes ♥
[19:06] <Pici> Are they a chemistry band?
[19:07] <PriceChild> I see kmos is applying for ubuntu membership at the emea... is this someone anyone here knows about? (ompaul)
[19:07] <PriceChild> Pity I forgot to poke hobbsee about it before she went to sleep.
[19:07] <ompaul> don't know the nick do I know the person?
[19:07] <Pici> Yikes
[19:08] <jpds> ompaul: first guy fired from Ubuntu development
[19:08] <ompaul> ahh
[19:08] <Pici> Hes currently muted in the -devel and -motu channels iirc.
[19:08] <Pici> maybe -bugs too
[19:08] <jpds> He has been banned from all Ubuntu development
[19:08] <Myrtti> Pici: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pDs0_xw5Po0
[19:09] <ompaul> jpds, so the sound of a resounding no comes to mind
[19:09]  * jrib wonders why he has still not closed the youtube link
[19:09] <jpds> ompaul: yeah. sabdfl had to personally ask him to stop.
[19:10] <Pici> Myrtti: It probably loses some of its effect seeing as I can't turn up the music loud enough to understand it here.
[19:10] <jpds> ompaul: consult the motu-council mailing list for all details.
[19:10] <ompaul> jpds, so na I don't think I need to look further
[19:11] <ompaul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/KmosReport
[19:12] <jrib> "the kmos report" catchy
[19:13] <tonyyarusso> what did he DO?
[19:13] <tonyyarusso> ah
[19:13] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, read the report I believe that there is more than that report out there
[19:14] <jpds> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-January/000812.html
[19:15] <Pici> Has he changed in the past 6 months?
[19:16] <ompaul> Pici, I believe not
[19:16] <ompaul> hobbsee had comments on same a short while ago
[19:16] <ompaul> if persia is online he will no doubt be forthright on same
[19:17] <ompaul> he appears to be will I invite him here for you to explain what is going on?
[19:18] <Pici> me?
[19:18] <ompaul> no vis the Kmos person
[19:18] <ompaul> sorry
[19:18] <PriceChild> I'd rather not.
[19:18] <ompaul> for someone to say that
[19:18] <Pici> wait for the emea meeting
[19:18] <Myrtti> yeah.
[19:19] <ompaul> ok
[19:19] <Pici> thats the proper forum for it.
[19:19] <Myrtti> there's no use of digging that dirt now
[19:19] <ompaul> sorry you seem to be at cross purposes with me
[19:19] <Myrtti> btw, is he before or after me and Pici?
[19:19] <ompaul> should he be informed
[19:19] <Pici> Myrtti: Hes after both of us.
[19:19] <Pici> ompaul: should who?
[19:19] <Myrtti> excellent
[19:20] <ompaul>  persia
[19:20] <ompaul> ohh leave it to ye
[19:36] <PriceChild> ikonia: Myrtti and Pici are up for membership in an hour and a half, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA gives links to their wikis if you believe they deserve any kind words ;)
[19:37] <Myrtti> TIA ♥
[19:38] <PriceChild> Myrtti: so.... how much is it worth?
[19:38] <Myrtti> I'll send you a box full of homemade ginger cookies come December?
[19:38] <Myrtti> adorned with pink glazing?
[19:38] <PriceChild> I *love* the smell of ginger
[19:39] <PriceChild> Every time I get offered something with one of them I always think it smells amazing
[19:39] <PriceChild> and every time, I cannot understand why it is that I don't eat them more
[19:39] <Myrtti> then I've seem to have found the perfect way of bribing you
[19:39] <PriceChild> Then I take a bite and mmmm, just for a moment...
[19:39] <PriceChild> I *hate* the taste of ginger.
[19:40] <ompaul> hahahahahaahahahaahahaaha
[19:40] <PriceChild> It lingers sooooo long and makes me feel ill.
[19:40] <Myrtti> PriceChild: http://www.christmas-cookies.com/recipes/recipe41.pepperkakor.html
[19:40] <Myrtti> it's not only ginger...
[19:41] <PriceChild> I'm not making the same mistake again Myrtti!
[19:41] <PriceChild> not for another few months at least
[19:42] <Myrtti> would you like oatmeal cookies then?
[19:42] <Myrtti> thin and crispy
[19:46] <Seeker`> Some_Person: how can we help you?
[19:46] <Seeker`> !ccsm
[19:48] <Seeker`> ! ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option
[19:49] <Seeker`> @login
[19:49] <Pici> too long
[19:49] <Seeker`> !ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[19:49] <Seeker`> ubottu: no, ccsm is To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager' or 'simple-ccsm'. If you install the latter, a new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[19:49] <Seeker`> !ccsm
[19:50] <Seeker`> !ccsm > Some_Person
[19:51] <Seeker`> Pici: There was a stray newline
[19:51] <Pici> Seeker`: ah
[20:40] <ompaul> tim1 was an rm -rf merchant
[20:40] <Myrtti> this different color hilight here with the called the ops part is excellent
[20:40] <Myrtti> now when I see that there's a yellow hilight in #ubuntu and a blue hilight here, there's something wrong
[20:41] <Myrtti> *!*@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust738.midd.cable.ntl.com is now banforwarded here
[20:43] <Seeker`> can someone send me "rm -rf" in PM?
[20:44] <ompaul> done
[20:44] <Seeker`> hmm, hilight does'nt work properly
[20:44] <Myrtti> hello tim1
[20:44] <tim1> ?
[20:44] <ompaul> tim1, what were you playing at?
[20:45] <tim1> just looking out for sum !
[20:45] <tim1> told him not to run it the other day
[20:45] <ompaul> this by the way is #ubuntu-ops
[20:45] <tim1> so i see
[20:45] <ompaul> !danger
[20:45] <ompaul> see we really want people to succeed not fail
[20:45] <ompaul> and that is failure
[20:46] <tim1> Really
[20:46] <Myrtti> there's a few taboo words in #ubuntu channels
[20:46] <Myrtti> you've just hit the jackpot
[20:46] <ompaul> and phrases
[20:46] <tim1> i hit the what ?
[20:46] <ompaul> jackpit
[20:46] <tim1> yeh baby
[20:46] <ompaul> and I know what I spilt :P
[20:46] <tim1> ahh ok
[20:46] <Myrtti> so
[20:47] <ompaul> you fell out of love there dude in a big way
[20:47] <tim1> lol
[20:47] <Myrtti> yeah, no gingerbread cookies from Auntie Myrtti tonight
[20:47] <ompaul> so whats the score you want people using GNU/Linux or what?
[20:47] <Myrtti> you'll have to go to bed without dinner
[20:47] <tim1> I would like to send my apologies  to every one.
[20:47] <ompaul> or you want to make their lives so bad they go back being trapped?
[20:48] <Myrtti> tim1: basically the deal is this:
[20:48] <ompaul> if you look up not funny in the OED you find the phrase rm -rf
[20:48] <Myrtti> you don't say rm -rf / on any Ubuntu IRC channels, ever
[20:48] <ompaul> it is also filed under seriously not funny
[20:48] <Myrtti> not even if you make a disclaimer "do not run it"
[20:48] <Myrtti> you just don't say it
[20:49] <Myrtti> period
[20:49] <ompaul> he's british he'll want a full stop
[20:49] <Myrtti> because disclaimers like that don't ever get read
[20:49] <Myrtti> a full stop then
[20:49] <tim1> .
[20:49] <ompaul> thats the one
[20:49] <tim1> now this is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18
[20:49] <ompaul> tim1, so what would you like us to do?
[20:50] <tim1> did i say i was sorry
[20:52] <Seeker`> Myrtti: you use irssi?
[20:52] <ompaul> dude the video no comment
[20:53] <ompaul> tim1, I am going to call the bot - it is going to shout out a URL
[20:53] <ompaul> give it a read let us know if you are happy with its contents and if so we can all go back to really helping people
[20:53] <Myrtti> Seeker`: yup
[20:53] <ompaul> !guidelines
[20:53] <tim1> ok fair enough
[20:54] <ompaul> we want to build strength in users not take away working systems i.e. this is about making life easy it is not a small club but one of millions and growing
[20:55] <tim1> I get the picture.
[20:55] <Seeker`> Myrtti: can you pm me the higlights you use?
[20:55] <Myrtti> sure
[20:55] <Pici> Seeker`: I suspect one of them is 'Myrtti'
[20:55] <Myrtti> oh noes!
[20:55] <ompaul> hahahaha
[20:55] <ompaul> Myrtti, Pici has guessed your sekret!
[20:56] <ompaul> tim1, let me know when you finish that doc
[20:56] <ompaul> ohh noes not the sekret is the correct reply but Whatever will do also
[20:57]  * ompaul goes to working out exactly how much faster initramfs is 
[20:57] <ompaul> skip that I'll take their words for it
[21:01] <ompaul> ikonia, if you are around you are wanted in -meeting
[21:01] <ompaul> tim1, as I said tell me when done
[21:02] <Myrtti> called the ops in (doodah
[21:02] <Seeker`> Myrtti: tyvm
[21:02] <tim1> done
[21:03] <Myrtti> np
[21:03] <Myrtti> ompaul: can you sort this thru, I'm too nervous :-P
[21:03] <ompaul> yeaop
[21:03] <ompaul> tim1 give me two seconds
[21:04] <tim1> sure
[21:04] <ompaul> done
[21:04]  * ompaul installs common sense into tim1's client ;-)
[21:04] <ompaul> cheers
[21:05] <tim1> lol :)
[21:11] <Myrtti> opinions?
[21:12] <ompaul> all good
[21:12] <ompaul> why you would have a box with 64megs these days is beyond me unless you were doing embedded stuff
[21:12] <Myrtti> @login
[21:13] <Myrtti> !64mb is <reply> For instructions on installing Ubuntu 8.04 on 64MB RAM or below, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LowMemoryHardy
[21:14] <Myrtti> !lowmem is <alias> 64mb
[21:14] <Myrtti> !lowmem is foo
[21:14] <Myrtti> !lowmem
[21:14] <Myrtti> fcol...
[21:14] <ompaul> !lowmem is <alias> 64mb
[21:14] <ompaul> hehe
[21:14] <PriceChild> I'd do the other way around?
[21:14] <ompaul> @login
[21:15] <ompaul> !64mb is <alias> lowmem
[21:15] <PriceChild> help. > wiki. right ?
[21:15] <Myrtti> lets think about this more
[21:15] <ompaul> !lowmem is <alias> 64mb
[21:15] <Myrtti> so now we've got two factoids
[21:15] <ompaul> !lowmem <alias> 64mb
[21:15] <ompaul> arrrrgh
[21:15] <Myrtti> with different stuff in them
[21:16] <ompaul> Pici, when you get a minute ^^
[21:16] <PriceChild> haha
[21:16] <ompaul> Myrtti, meeting
[21:16] <Myrtti> I know
[21:16] <ompaul> PriceChild, defer to expert
[21:16] <PriceChild> ompaul: better yet, suggest he shows his prowess in a few minutes
[21:17] <Pici> !64mb is foo
[21:17] <Pici> @login
[21:17] <Pici> !64mb is foo
[21:17] <Pici> !64mb
[21:17] <Myrtti> Pici: two different factoids
[21:17] <Myrtti> 64 for hardy
[21:17] <Myrtti> lowmem is more general
[21:17] <PriceChild> just needs a no alias
[21:18] <Pici> I might be trapped in a factoid factory, but I'm not psychic.
[21:18] <Myrtti> !lowmem
[21:18] <Myrtti> !64mb
[21:18] <ompaul> forget 64mb
[21:18] <ompaul> !forget 64mb
[21:19] <Myrtti> then we'll just edit the lowmem one
[21:19] <ompaul> now
[21:19] <PriceChild> that is a point... just tell him about the existing factoid, no use for an obscure new one aliasing it
[21:48] <elky> yay ikonia!
[21:48] <Myrtti> ra12qa ([519cb940] brujula.net User) [i=99@200.68.87.153]
[21:48] <Pici> ikonia: congrats :)
[21:48] <jpds> woohoo ikonia
[21:48] <Myrtti> that somehow...
[21:48] <Myrtti> makes me uneasy
[21:48] <elky> heh. werk time :(
[21:49] <Seeker`> elky: have fun
[21:50] <ikonia> thank you
[21:50] <ikonia> apologies for the short arrival, I'm on the back foot
[21:50] <ikonia> stupid laptop adaptor died
[21:50] <ikonia> (cheapo travel one)
[21:50] <Seeker`> :(
[21:50] <ikonia> and thank you all for the kind words and testamonials, very flattering and appriciated
[21:50] <ompaul> ikonia, contingency laptops
[21:51] <ompaul> have contingency power supplies :)
[21:51] <ikonia> ompaul: had to drive back to office to get my desk on
[21:51] <Seeker`> ompaul: contingency power supplies would probably be cheaper
[21:51] <ikonia> last time I stayed in this hotel they took down the internet on the meeting night
[21:51] <Seeker`> :O
[21:51] <Seeker`> that sucks
[21:51] <ompaul> lovely
[21:51] <ikonia> couldn't believe it tonight when the battery died
[21:51] <ikonia> it's fine, I have power now
[21:52] <Seeker`> ikonia: you in a hotel tonight or something?
[21:55] <ikonia> yeah
[21:55] <ikonia> home tommorow
[21:55] <Seeker`> cool
[21:55] <ikonia> couldn't be bothered going home to go to london for a meeting tommorow
[21:55] <ikonia> blagged a nice hotel
[21:55] <Seeker`> cool
[21:59] <ikonia> is it appropriate to comment in #ubuntu-meeting to give support randomly ?
[21:59] <ikonia> eg: pici
[21:59] <ikonia> (I missed the rules at the start)
[22:00] <Pici> ikonia: no, thats fine.
[22:00] <ompaul> ikonia, you can
[22:00] <ompaul> with a simple +1
[22:01] <ompaul> but there is a bit of a long running nose / slagging session between me n mr pople
[22:01] <ompaul> pope even
[22:01] <ikonia> ompaul: your rowing with the pope ?
[22:01] <ompaul> na
[22:01] <ompaul> messing
[22:01] <Myrtti> oh deaaarrrr
[22:01] <ikonia> ah
[22:03] <ompaul> long running well not quite a joke maybe its a nose .....
[22:03] <ompaul> hehehe
[22:03] <ikonia> ahhhhhh
[22:03] <ikonia> (looking at a photo)
[22:05] <Myrtti> /me considers fetching Laku to cuddle when her turn comes
[22:05] <ikonia> do you need comfort
[22:06] <Pici> woo :)
[22:06] <Myrtti> congrats Pici dear
[22:06] <Pici> Myrtti: thanks
[22:07] <Pici> Seeker`: debates, not arguments ;)
[22:07] <Seeker`> pfft, they were arguments, I was there
[22:20] <ompaul> ikonia, Myrtti Pici you can all annoy some staff member for a cloak if you want one now :)
[22:20] <ompaul> I would suggest the one who was at the meeting :-)
[22:20] <ompaul> well done you lot
[22:20] <PriceChild> ompaul: when the launchpad stuff is sorted
[22:20] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm in no hurry
[22:21] <Pici> Me either
[22:21] <Myrtti> I belive I've got everything set up though as I've had wikipedia cloak before
[22:21] <Myrtti> but take your time
[22:21] <PriceChild> wikipedia not good enough for you were they?
[22:21] <ompaul> tim1 started again - this time messing
[22:21] <Myrtti> looking
[22:21] <ompaul> so he is now banned
[22:22] <Myrtti> /me sighs, back to the normal #ubuntu grinding
[22:23] <ompaul> Myrtti, na now you have to dance backwards on one leg singing ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu around a table three times - or didn't you read the application page :)
[22:23] <Seeker`> Myrtti: Pici ikonia congratualtions
[22:24] <Pici> Seeker`: thanks!
[22:26] <ikonia> Myrtti: Pici congratulations back at you
[22:27] <Myrtti> BIG TELETUBBY HUG!
[22:27] <Myrtti> /me hugs
[22:27] <ikonia> I thought teletubby was uk only ?
[22:27] <Myrtti> wrong
[22:27] <Pici> Nope, they show it here too
[22:27] <Myrtti> the pesky little antennae heads are called tiivi-taavi, hipsu, laa-laa and pai here
[22:28] <AfterDeath> did a conclusion ever get reached wrt AntiSpamMeta?
[22:28] <jpds> AfterDeath: unbanned I believed, it was just a misunderstandin
[22:29] <AfterDeath> ah, okay
[22:29] <Pici> 'bot' sets off all sorts of bells a whistles for us.
[22:29] <Pici> We only noticed it after it had timed-out and rejoined.
[22:30] <Pici> we being the un-omnicient non irc council people.
[22:30] <Myrtti> wewe vewwy vewwy sowwy
[22:30] <Myrtti> /me feels odd
[22:30] <Pici> Its called happiness.
[22:30] <Myrtti> perhaps
[22:31] <AfterDeath> alight, well then I shall re-vacate myself, pm me if you need anything :)
[22:38] <jpds> someone's on dalek mode
[22:39] <Myrtti> on what?
[22:39] <jpds> err, for all the non-UK people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek
[22:40] <Myrtti> oh, right.
[22:40] <Pici> One of those wheely things
[22:40] <Pici> With the plungers
[22:40] <Myrtti> I gave my dvb-t usb tuner to jussi01 today since I don't watch telly
[22:46] <ikonia> Pici: wheely things, laughing hard for that....thank you
[22:51] <Amaranth> Myrtti: Did DizzyD try to DCC Chat with you?
[22:51] <Myrtti> he did
[22:51] <Amaranth> I think he did with me while I was sleeping too...
[22:51] <Myrtti> dcc send actually
[22:51] <Amaranth> Did you tell him not to do that anymore?
[22:51] <Pici> :O
[22:52] <Myrtti> sorry, I said the magic word
[22:52] <Myrtti> /me hides
[22:52] <Seeker`> Myrtti: :O
[22:52] <Amaranth> please?
[22:52] <Pici> yes, the magic word.
[22:52] <Myrtti> sorry, I'm putting my metal helmet on and putting my seatbelts on
[22:53] <Myrtti> also wrapping my lower torso in tin foil
[22:53] <Myrtti> no k-train?
[22:53] <Myrtti> cool...
[22:53] <nalioth> Amaranth: not that i know of
[22:54] <Amaranth> nalioth: ?
[22:54] <Myrtti> Amaranth: I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed currently
[22:57] <Myrtti> would someone explain him the basics
[22:57] <Myrtti> I need to get my makeup off
[22:58] <ompaul> Myrtti, he just met me ;-)
[23:01] <Myrtti> excellent
[23:02] <Myrtti> I gave way to my more feminine self and even applied makeup and blewdry my hair before meeting jussi01 today. Usually I just settle for looking tired and cranky self.
[23:02] <ompaul> his conversation seems to have gone away
[23:05] <Myrtti> FCOL
[23:05] <Myrtti> /me facepalms
[23:10] <Pici> ompaul, may want to invite the fellow here.
[23:10] <ompaul> Pici, please feel free to I need to go to bed
[23:10] <Pici> ompaul: I was about to step away actually...
[23:10] <ompaul> ahh
[23:11] <ompaul> I do need to go to bed
[23:11] <ompaul> I am wall falling
[23:12] <Myrtti> I love killing idiocies with plain logic
[23:13] <Myrtti> this is fun
[23:19] <ompaul> now
[23:19] <tim1> now en
[23:19] <ompaul> firstly
[23:19] <Myrtti> before jumping to anything
[23:19] <Myrtti> let me ask tim1 one question
[23:19] <ompaul> fire away
[23:20] <tim1> fire away
[23:20] <Myrtti> tim1: this might sound silly or even considered impolite, but may I ask how old you are?
[23:20] <tim1> Ihow rude of you
[23:20] <Myrtti> thanks, I'm sorry
[23:20] <tim1> im 19 :O
[23:20] <Myrtti> ok
[23:21] <Myrtti> go ahead now, ompaul
[23:21] <tim1> :-DNever to young to learn C++
[23:21] <ompaul> tim1, so ehh C++ is not where were are at
[23:21] <ompaul> that is a support channel for users who are not coding
[23:22] <tim1> Omg i have a huge spider here (SCREEMS)
[23:22] <ompaul> they may now and again have to do a little strangeness but not a lot
[23:22] <ompaul> fine I have to be up at 6:30am
[23:22] <ompaul> so I guess I will leave it there
[23:22] <ompaul> you get a chance to have the door opened and you slam it in my face clever move
[23:23] <tim1> How ?
[23:23] <ompaul> I really don't like playing copper but I do it to keep channels functioning
[23:23] <ompaul> and functional
 Omg i have a huge spider here (SCREEMS) <<<< this belongs in the context of this channel how?
[23:23] <tim1> I just want to sort my issue out and go to bed im doing a huge  interview tomorrow
[23:24] <ompaul> it is a bit late for research at this stage
[23:24] <tim1> ﻿ompaul:  I over reacted.
[23:24] <ompaul> with spiders
[23:24] <ompaul> dude I can't treat you seriously
[23:25] <tim1> I dont like huge spiders
[23:25] <ompaul> let me let you in on a little secret
[23:25] <tim1> ?
[23:25] <ompaul> I wrote my first program in 1981
[23:26] <tim1> I could learn a lot from you then
[23:26] <ompaul> I have been on the internet nearly as long as you are alive
[23:26] <ompaul> I help people I don't go around helping people trash their machines
[23:26] <Myrtti> /me huggles ompaul
[23:27] <tim1> me joins
[23:27] <ompaul> Myrtti, sudo get me a coco
[23:27] <tim1> make that 2
[23:27] <ompaul> tim1, what is it you want to research for tomorrow?
[23:28] <tim1> No i just want to learn to programe nothing too big.
[23:28] <ompaul> in one night
[23:28] <ompaul> hahahahahahahahahaha
[23:28] <ompaul> main()
[23:28] <ompaul> {
[23:28] <ompaul> }
[23:28] <ompaul> pointless.c
[23:28] <Myrtti> /me gives ompaul a lollipop
[23:28] <ompaul> tim1, ping me on irc tomorrow and I may let you back into #ubuntu
[23:29] <ompaul> for now that ban stands
[23:29] <ompaul> I will be home about 8:45 your time
[23:29] <ompaul> pm
[23:29] <ompaul> I have a long day ahead of me and a lot of work to do goodnight and read the stuff from the bot that might help some
[23:29] <ompaul> good night
[23:30] <Myrtti> gnite ompaul
[23:30] <tim1> Ok night
[23:30] <tim1> :-D needs more then a lolipop.
[23:31] <tim1> ﻿ompaul: do you have that coco
[23:33] <ikonia> Amaranth: where you asking about dfed in #ubuntu ?
[23:34] <Amaranth> no
[23:34] <ikonia> I'm getting hit on port 19 from dfed in #ubuntu for dcc chat
[23:34] <ikonia> he's just gone from freenode but left #ubuntu earlier
[23:35] <ikonia> wondered if it was the same guy
[23:35] <ikonia> who was your guy with dcc earlier
[23:35] <ikonia> was he on 66.232.140.34
[23:35] <PriceChild> ikonia: when was this?
[23:35] <ikonia> errr 18:45
[23:35] <ikonia> while I was offline
[23:35] <Seeker`> that was quite a bti earlier
[23:36] <PriceChild> That was dealt with i think.
[23:36] <Seeker`> ikonia: s/oofline/away?
[23:36] <ikonia> I was curious if it was the same guy
[23:36] <ikonia> Seeker`: no - offline
[23:36] <ikonia> as in my screen session was away, but I had no way of connecting
[23:36] <ikonia> so "I" was offline
[23:37] <ikonia> PriceChild: ok, so not the same guy / thing as Amaranth's suggestion
[23:37]  * Seeker` would count that as away, but oh well
[23:37] <ikonia> Seeker`: away would be fine too
[23:37] <ikonia> just catching up on my back log