[00:42] <nixternal> hrmm, would adding 'automoc' to Suggests in kdelibs5-dev cause issues that you can think of off the top of your head? anyone?
[00:42] <nixternal> I hope the issue is a PPA slowness issue
[00:49] <bobesponja> nixternal: so is 4.1 ready??? kidding, waiting for your blog post :)
[00:49] <nixternal> heh
[00:49] <nixternal> seems it is^Wwas a PPA issue
[01:23] <nixternal> groff-base isn't included in the PPA stuff at all?
[02:43] <nixternal> hey, if anyone is interested, kde 4.0.5 needs to be packaged for Hardy and either put in updates or backports...don't know what the final outcome was for the 4.0.4 packages
[02:47] <ScottK> Backports IIRC.
[02:51] <nixternal> couldn't remember if they got cancelled out and put in a different way though...I remember getting "rejected" emails for them by JR
[02:55]  * ScottK looks
[02:56] <ScottK> Backports for gutsy and hardy.
[03:12] <nixternal> groovy
[03:40] <nixternal> N: 10873 tags overridden (10873 warnings)
[03:40] <nixternal> that is awesome!!!
[03:40] <vorian> hehe
[03:41] <vorian> that's something ...
[03:41] <nixternal> at least my packages are Lintian clean :P
[03:42]  * ScottK smacks nixternal with some Vista bugs.
[03:42] <vorian> :(
[03:42] <vorian> what's lintian?
[03:42]  * vorian runs
[03:42] <nixternal> ScottK: either that or try to pick through real warnings with these -kde4 packages
[03:43] <Jucato> !info lintian | vorian
[03:43] <nixternal> we violate shlibs with images and rpath crap
[03:43] <Jucato> think "lint remover" for Debian packaging
[03:43] <Jucato> :)
[03:43] <Jucato> !info linda
[03:43] <Jucato> oh :)
[03:43] <vorian> hehe, never thought of it in that way Jucato :)
[03:43] <vorian> silly linda
[03:43] <vorian> so obsoleteish
[03:44] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:44] <nixternal> hahah, lint remover
[03:44] <Jucato> that's the first image that came to mind when I first encountered "lintian"
[03:45] <ScottK> nixternal: 4.1 is going into main, so it'll have to shape up pretty quick.
[03:45] <nixternal> ya, tis why I put in my core-dev app
[04:30] <yuriy> yay nixternal4core-dev
[04:31] <nixternal> I am trying, just waiting for a couple of more of my sponsors to reply
[05:57] <cartman> moin
[05:58] <cartman> Riddell: any idea why kdebase 4.0.80 still didn't make it to archives?
[05:58] <cartman> Riddell: it seemed to built just f
[05:58] <cartman> +ine
[05:59] <Hobbsee> has new binaries?
[06:01] <cartman> Hobbsee: hmm ?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> yup
[06:08] <Hobbsee> cartman: there are binaries new to ubuntu built from that source, so it's all stuck in the new queue
[06:08] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=kdebase
[06:09] <cartman> Hobbsee: any idea when will they be processed and move to the repo?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> when an archive admin does it.
[06:10] <cartman> Hobbsee: any way to find & poke one? :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> they usually have archive days, i think one is wednesday
[06:11] <Hobbsee> it might be today
[06:11] <cartman> ah :)
[06:13] <cartman> Hobbsee: they wouldn't be stuck if there were no "new" packages right?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> correct
[06:14] <cartman> ok thanks :)
[06:34] <daskreech> WHooot
[06:34] <daskreech>  Kubuntu gets a fly by mention on lxer :)
[06:39] <daskreech> and a thumbs up too
[06:43] <nixternal> link?
[06:44] <daskreech> Konqui just crashed :(
[06:44] <nixternal> haha
[06:44] <daskreech> 'http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=103611'
[06:44]  * daskreech blames nixternal
[06:47] <nixternal> rock on
[06:48] <eddieftw> daskreech: i do it all the time
[06:48] <eddieftw> even when im walking with my computer and trip
[06:49] <eddieftw> its still his fault
[06:51]  * daskreech can see eddieftw mumbling "damn you nixternal" in his sleep
[06:57] <eddieftw> basically!
[07:51] <DaSkreech> hooray Lydia and Sebastian aren't arrogant at all :)
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Lets all be different together :
[08:52] <Serega> Riddell: Jon, are you around?
[09:26] <Riddell> fooey
[10:39] <Riddell> hi Serega
[10:43] <Serega> Riddell: hi, Jonathan! I have a patch for bug #209534. can we upload it this evening?
[10:44] <Riddell> Serega: what's the fix?
[10:45] <Serega> Riddell: just a kaffeine package dependendencies on python-qt4 and python-apt
[10:46] <Riddell> Serega: easy.  I can upload any time
[10:47] <Serega> ok, thanks
[10:51] <Riddell> who can do a quick hardy test?  verification needed for bug 214577
[11:00] <Nightrose> Riddell: i can - what is needed? just install the new package and do the testcase?
[11:02] <cartman> kdebase seems to be moved!
[11:02] <cartman> yey
[11:03] <cartman> Riddell: is anything missing from KDE 4.1 beta packages?
[11:04] <Riddell> Nightrose: test before install, test after, see if it's fixed
[11:05] <Riddell> cartman: kdebase-workspace is still blocked
[11:05] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok
[11:05] <cartman> Riddell: ah :(
[11:06]  * Serega thinks it is very interesting and wants to have enough skills
[11:06] <Riddell> Serega: what's that?
[11:06] <cartman> Riddell: due to libcaptury being in universe?
[11:06] <Riddell> cartman: yes
[11:07] <Serega> Riddell: packaging/merging/etc
[11:07] <cartman> bureaucracy sucks :)
[11:07] <Serega> e.g. bringing KDE4.1 to kubuntu :)
[11:10] <Riddell> Serega: should be various extragear packages that need updated if you want to help
[11:10] <smarter> Riddell: about the FIleSharing spec
[11:10] <smarter> have you looked at kepas?
[11:11]  * cartman is interested in FileSharing too
[11:11] <smarter> It's a plasmoid I packaged during hardy dev cycle which can be used to share files via zeroconf
[11:11] <smarter> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kepas+-+KDE+Easy+Publish+and+Share?content=73968
[11:11] <Riddell> smarter: yes
[11:11] <Nightrose> Riddell: i get an error saying "Error!" when opening the test file in kgraphviewer
[11:11] <cartman> zeroconf doesn't really cut it though
[11:11] <cartman> need SMB
[11:12] <cartman> writing a PyKDE4 app from scratch wouldn't be hard
[11:12] <cartman> but I am more interested in an adept replacement
[11:12] <cartman> something like what I originally wrote for Pardus
[11:12] <Riddell> smarter: it's better than nothing, but the UI is in the wrong place (you don't use files in the systray) and the backend is lacking (needs the user to be logged in, http only)
[11:15] <smarter> having an icon on the desktop where you can drag &drop files is nice imho
[11:15] <smarter> you're planning to write an app from scratch?
[11:16] <apachelogger> hmmm
[11:17] <Riddell> smarter: that's what it would need.  I don't think it would be terribly hard to do.  but it won't be high priority
[11:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: do I have to go through the whole SRU process for a tiny fix?
[11:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: in hardy yes, what's the fix?
[11:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete-plugin-thinklight/+bug/221531
[11:18] <apachelogger> DEB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE in rules
[11:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: make a debdiff, attach to bug, upload, I'll let it into -proposed, get someone to test it, wait a week, it can be moved to -updates
[11:19] <apachelogger> k, thanks
[11:20] <Riddell> Serega: want a suggestion for something to merge?
[11:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: new bug report or just attach to the existing one?
[11:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: existing one
[11:21] <apachelogger> aye aye
[11:23] <Serega> Riddell: I guess. But I have never merged any package and even not sure what does "merge" mean. Please suggest. I'll google now for info about merging.
[11:24] <Riddell> Serega: big list of things to do at http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[11:25] <Serega> Riddell: thanks
[11:25] <Riddell> Serega: kguitar could be an easy one, only 1 revision change on the ubuntu side (to -2ubuntu1), and one on the debian side (-3)
[11:26] <Riddell> Serega: look at what the ubuntu change is, do we need to keep it?  if so get the debian package and make the same change
[11:26] <Riddell> if we don't need whatever the ubuntu change is any more, just ask for a sync
[11:26] <Serega> Riddell: aah, I understand now!
[11:27] <Riddell> :)
[11:27] <Serega> okay, I will join you in the evening! ;)
[11:27] <Riddell> great
[11:29] <smarter> Riddell: another suggestion for me? :}
[11:29] <Riddell> smarter: for merging?
[11:30] <smarter> yep
[11:31] <Riddell> aww
[11:32] <Riddell> smarter: take your pick from the extragear packages if you like ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.80/src/extragear/
[11:32] <Riddell> smarter: they have existing packages with -kde4 in the names, for intrepid we want them to be the definitive ones
[11:33] <smarter> thanks
[11:33] <smarter> okay
[11:33] <smarter> I'll convert my kepas package too
[11:33] <Riddell> smarter: you should create an intrepid chroot (assuming you're on hardy still)
[11:38] <Riddell> smarter: don't do extragear-plasma, that one is going away
[11:39] <Riddell> smarter: otherwise, check if debian have a kde 4 package, if not grab our foo-kde4 one, drop -kde4 from the name, add in the changelog entries from the existing kde 3 version (where there is one), update kde.mk with the one from kde4libs, check it compiles and runs
[11:40] <apachelogger> quassel needs something better than a channel list
[11:40]  * apachelogger is too lazy to scroll
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: please throw the package into proposed
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: accepted kopete-plugin-thinklight/0.3-0ubuntu3.1
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[12:04] <sebas> out of curiosity, what does that do?
[12:05] <sebas> blink when there are new messages?
[12:05] <larsivi> it blinks if you think
[12:05] <sebas> It never does here ;-)
[12:09] <apachelogger> sebas: does not when thinking or when a new message arrives?
[12:32] <sebas> apachelogger: I never think ;-)
[12:33] <apachelogger> sebas: good point :P
[12:33] <apachelogger> anyway, it's not working on incoming messages right now, because I produced a broken package
[12:33] <sebas> But ... thinklight is some sort of highlighter?
[12:34] <apachelogger> if it was working correctly, the light would be blinking
[12:34] <sebas> Cool :)
[12:36] <\sh> oh sebas alive ;)
[12:37] <sebas> You bet
[12:38] <\sh> my voice is still broken :(
[12:38] <sebas> Hehe
[12:39] <\sh> my life is just crashing...
[12:40] <\sh> 6 days of alc orgy...then slipping away from dr. death...and then the news about being on RTL....I do make something wrong
[12:40]  * \sh should delete the last week out of my brain-cal
[12:40]  * Serega 's life is just boring
[12:40] <Serega> :)
[12:41] <\sh> Serega, we can change places...
[12:42] <Serega> \sh: no, thanks. Alcohol makes me seek for 2-3 days. Shit, when I just stop to drink it at all...
[12:43] <Serega> s/seek/sick
[12:49] <\sh> Riddell, do you know anything about the berlin administration using ubuntu with kde desktop?
[12:49] <\sh> Riddell, http://www.offenes-presseportal.de/internet_it/linux_information_systems_arbeitet_an_arbeitsplatz_fuer_berliner_verwaltung_46273.htm
[12:50] <Riddell> nope
[12:50] <\sh> Riddell, I wonder if they use kubuntu, or Ubuntu standard + a tweaked kde installation
[12:52] <Riddell> mmm, intereswting
[12:54] <\sh> hmm...where do I get a kubuntu.org email address from? i could write an email with official questions ,-)
[12:55] <apachelogger> \sh: if you have an ubuntu.com, that one should also work with kubuntu.org I think
[12:55] <Riddell> anyone in kubuntu-members should have one
[12:56] <Riddell> stdin: fancy packaging 4.0.5?
[12:56]  * \sh is not in kubuntu-members...ubuntu-members yes
[12:59] <Riddell> meeting is tomorrow night to join
[13:00] <\sh> tomorrow night?
[13:02] <apachelogger> \sh: wed 22 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting
[13:03] <apachelogger> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:03] <apachelogger> bottom section: membership
[13:03] <apachelogger> ;-)
[13:04] <\sh> 22utc it's early in the morning here...
[13:05] <\sh> if I can make it...sure
[13:07] <etretyak> Stupid question.. If I'm a kubuntu-member, how can I get a @kubuntu.org email? :-)
[13:08] <Riddell> etretyak: it should be set up automatically <lpid>@kubuntu.org
[13:10] <etretyak> Riddell: But what is the server name? And is it IMAP or POP3/SMTP?
[13:11] <\sh> etretyak, it's a forward to your main email addr of lp
[13:11] <\sh> means: <lpid>@kubuntu.org forwards to <whoever>@<you>.<are>
[13:11] <etretyak> Ah! I see! Cool! Thanks :)
[13:41] <Hobbsee> someone was already working on kguitar.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> yup, has a bug already
[13:43] <jjesse> kguitar?  does that help you play the guitar better in kde?
[13:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: number?
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 228381
[13:43] <Serega> Hobbsee: I am
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Serega: you're richard bernie?
[13:44] <Serega> Hobbsee: no, I just decided to start merging today and Riddell have suggested me that package.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Serega: you need to check for existing bugs first.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> and there was talk in -motu about it over the weekend, so i merged some of my own packages.
[13:46] <Serega> Hobbsee: why to check? LP bugs for kguitar or a debian bugtracker?
[13:46] <Hobbsee> Serega: the former.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> Serega: and you check so you don't do the work that someoen else already has.
[13:47] <Riddell> Serega: ah, sorry, looks like Arby did that already
[13:48] <Serega> Riddell: ah, ok. I just will select something else.
[13:48] <Riddell> knetfilter  is next on the list
[13:48] <Serega> Riddell: let's hold this until evening, maybe it will be already merged too at the moment :)
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I tried getting the special settings pages in sys-config-printer-kde working for like a week and couldn't figure out how to do it. :(
[13:50] <nosrednaekim> maybe cause I couldn't interpret the GTK
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> I'll work on the new-printer part though
[13:52] <jjesse> morning
[13:53]  * Hobbsee pinches ksudoku
[13:56] <Hobbsee> Serega: kxgenerator looks reasonably easy.
[13:58]  * Hobbsee requests a sync of ktoon
[14:00] <Hobbsee> Serega: krecipes is simple, too, but please forward the ubuntu change to debian
[14:00] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i should be able to modify that directly
[14:09]  * Hobbsee fiddles with new ssh keys
[14:17] <jjesse> hrmm lots of new packaages on the kde4 ppa. should i keep updating to these?
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: have you installed 4.1 already?
[14:18] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: i think i did that monday
[14:18] <jjesse> yeah about kde reports 4.00.80 (kde 4.1 beta 1)
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> I'm getting the new packages now, we'll see how well they work. but there aren't any dependency problems as far as I can see.
[14:21] <jjesse> i didn't see any problems either
[14:24] <apachelogger> nixternal: what's the status of beta1?
[14:47] <Serega> is KDE4.1 only available for intrepid?
[14:49] <jjesse> Serega: there are kde4.1 packages in the ppa for hardy
[14:49] <jjesse> check out the kde4 ppa
[14:49] <Serega> whoaaa
[14:49] <Serega> jjesse: thanks
[14:50]  * Serega nervously waits for  workday finish
[14:52] <jjesse> just finished the update, lets see what happens
[14:53] <jjesse> Serega: why nerously for the day to finish
[14:54] <Serega> jjesse: craving for KDe4.1 :)
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: is it just me or are you getting terribly slow speeds too?
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> from the PPA
[14:55] <Nightrose> Riddell: is there a dot story about linuxtag in the queue aleady? if not alexandra will write one
[14:56] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: i got terrbily slow speeds and i know it isn't my connection
[14:56] <jjesse> i have  a ds3 here at work
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> ok.. yeah I'm getting dial-up speeds from it here.
[15:03] <stdin> Riddell: sure :)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Somebody was looking for python plasmoid examples? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/scriptengines/kross/examples/
[15:08] <Riddell> Nightrose: there is not
[15:08] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok will tell her
[15:08] <Nightrose> thx
[15:09] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: gosh, if you can't work it out after a week time to move on I think
[15:15] <seele_> ScottK: ping
[15:15] <ScottK> Pong
[15:15] <ScottK> seele_: ^^
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> JontheEchidna: excellent! thanks
[15:16] <jjesse> updated w/ no problems
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> JontheEchidna: I'm going to experiment with that as soon as nixternal packages up the bindings.
[15:18] <seele_> ScottK: there is an MD Loco meeting after the Kubuntu meeting tomorrow night
[15:18] <seele_> ScottK: you should stop by
[15:18] <seele_> eek
[15:18] <Riddell> MD?
[15:18] <ScottK> seele: IRC or real life?
[15:18] <seele> maryland
[15:18] <seele> ScottK: IRC
[15:18] <jjesse> marlyland
[15:18] <seele> Riddell: state of maryland
[15:19] <ScottK> seele: What channel?
[15:19] <seele> ScottK: good quesiton, let me look that up
[15:19] <jjesse> i thought it was commonwealth of maryland
[15:19] <\sh> Riddell, do we have mdns support for krfb/kvncviewer?
[15:19] <seele> that's just the type of state, everything is still a state except for dc
[15:20] <jjesse> i was just being a bastard
[15:20] <seele> ScottK: #ubuntu-us-md
[15:20] <ScottK> seele: Thanks.
[15:21] <ScottK> seele: Not sure what I'll be doing tomorrow evening.  Middle daughter 'graduates' from 8th grade/Middle School tomorrow.
[15:21] <seele> ah hah.. ok
[15:22] <Riddell> \sh: I think so
[15:22] <jjesse> graduates to high school?
[15:22] <\sh> Riddell, because I don't find any lib/lib-dev for real zeroconf stuff...and cmake tells me even with the whole avahi crap installed that there is no mdns
[15:24] <ScottK> jjesse: Yes.
[15:24] <jjesse> wow thats cool, we didn't have any cermony or anything like that
[15:24] <ScottK> It's a reasonably big deal at her school.  We had to buy a 'dress'.
[15:25] <ScottK> Actually it was two, one of which still has to be returned.
[15:25] <jjesse> :)
[15:31] <jjesse> interesting after todays kde4.1 updates i no longer have a network card accourding to networkmanager
[15:31] <jjesse> wonder if i hae to rebuild vmware-tools or something
[15:31] <apachelogger> \sh: you're whining to much :P
[15:32] <apachelogger> \sh: is libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev installed?
[15:33] <seele> ScottK: how big is her middle school?
[15:34] <\sh> apachelogger, sucker...how can someone search for mdns and no output about this crackful piece of s*
[15:34] <\sh> how should i know that it's apple bonjour
[15:35] <apachelogger> yeah, that's what you get for 5 names for the basically same thing
[15:35] <\sh> but anyways...breaking at XTestFakeKeyEvent in krfb
[15:35] <apachelogger> \sh: of course you chould have read the FindDNSSD.cmake file ;-)
[15:35] <\sh> and yes..libxext-dev is installed
[15:35] <jjesse> yup it was a problem with vmware-tools
[15:35] <\sh> apachelogger, /me's a sucker too ;)
[15:36] <apachelogger> hm, that sentence looks out of place, I should have said that :P
[15:37] <apachelogger> \sh: http://developer.kde.org/~dirk/dashboard/
[15:37] <apachelogger> I am wondering why krfb doesn't compile
[15:37] <\sh> apachelogger, XTestFakeKeyEvent?
[15:38] <apachelogger> good point
[15:38] <\sh> the same here
[15:39] <apachelogger> \sh: actually
[15:39] <apachelogger> it is supposed to compile
[15:39] <apachelogger> according to the allmighty dirkboard
[15:39] <\sh> yes
[15:39] <apachelogger> so what do we do?
[15:39] <\sh> sudo apt-get install apt-file ; sudo apt-file update ; apt-file search keyevent
[15:40] <\sh> and oh wow
[15:40] <\sh> Can't get http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Contents-amd64.gz
[15:40]  * \sh is doomed
[15:40] <\sh> anyways...
[15:41] <apachelogger> the good news is cmake doesn't let me build krfb
[15:41] <apachelogger> so from my point of view there is no problem :P
[15:41] <\sh> apachelogger, install libxtst-dev:
[15:42] <\sh> that's missing
[15:42] <apachelogger> nah
[15:42] <apachelogger> actually
[15:42] <apachelogger> \sh: how did you compile the rest of kde without libxtst-dev?
[15:42] <apachelogger> IIRC that is one of the libs cmake wants to link recursively
[15:43] <\sh> apachelogger, not for other modules ... it only complains on kdenetwork
[15:43] <\sh> and only there with krfb...
[15:43] <apachelogger> ok, so it's probably some similiar sounding lib
[15:43] <\sh> I think the rest is in libxext-dev and they are using other calls to sendkey events
[15:44] <apachelogger> Estimated build start:	in 15 minutes
[15:44] <apachelogger> oh c'mon
[15:44] <\sh> oh new bugger
[15:45] <\sh> well
[15:45] <\sh> yes
[15:45] <\sh> hmm
[15:45] <\sh> the same bug...
[15:45] <\sh> undefined reference
[15:45] <\sh> ah
[15:45] <\sh> moment
[15:45]  * apachelogger is wondering where is padawan is
[15:46] <\sh> xand3r?
[15:46] <apachelogger> aye
[15:47] <\sh> he needs to be a motu until next LT ;)
[15:47] <\sh> the same applies for arthur ;)
[15:47] <apachelogger> \sh: I want to make him motu before sebner is one :P
[15:48] <\sh> apachelogger, no problem...just take away nexuiz from sebner ;)
[15:49] <apachelogger> hm
[15:49] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[15:49] <apachelogger> I wanted to do some frags today
[15:49] <Artemis_Fowl> hey, are the KDE 4.1 packages ready?
[15:49] <apachelogger> though, looking at the buildlogs of kdepimlibs... :S
[15:49] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: there is still a possability I might have finished kde-nightly before nixternal finished beta1 ;-)
[15:50] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: you are doing KDE-nightly? thats going to use alot of PPA resources :P
[15:50] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: yup
[15:50] <\sh> apachelogger, we should build up one or two OBS since it can be used distributed over WAN ;)
[15:51]  * Artemis_Fowl is upgrading anyway. Hope the new packages won't ruin my freshly installed Hardy... :)
[15:51] <apachelogger> \sh: you do that :P
[15:51] <\sh> apachelogger, I did that already in the past...
[15:52]  * apachelogger has to resolve dependencies for suse's amarok-nightly
[15:52] <\sh> apachelogger, and btw...you should use the obs cli and you should have a local package repos...it can be overlayed when you use build.rpm ;)
[15:53] <\sh> .oO(hopefully the apache knows about build.rpm and building chroots on osl)
[15:53] <jjesse> Artemis_Fowl: i had to delete my .kde4 directory when i updated to 4.1
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> I didn't...
[15:54] <apachelogger> \sh: I don't
[15:54] <Artemis_Fowl> jjesse: so it works? I mean are all the necessary packages uploaded?
[15:54] <apachelogger> and I shouldn't do that stuff here at all
[15:54] <\sh> apachelogger, yum/zypper/smart install build.rpm
[15:54] <apachelogger> \sh: what is build.rpm doing?
[15:55] <\sh> apachelogger, it's like pbuilder...and fetches remote packages from obs or if you have a local pkg repos it grabs them from your local disk
[15:55] <apachelogger> hm
[15:55] <\sh> apachelogger, it's da pro tool for professional rpm packager on osl
[15:55] <apachelogger> I used build earlier today
[15:55] <\sh> the obs cli is using it too
[15:55] <\sh> yes..that's it
[15:55] <apachelogger> just that build apparently only supports local repos
[15:55] <apachelogger> so how do I access remotes with build?
[15:55] <\sh> not in combination with the obs cli
[15:56] <apachelogger> \sh: is there some docs?
[15:56]  * apachelogger didn't find anything :(
[15:56] <\sh> yes on novell docs somewhere
[15:56] <apachelogger> somewhere ftw :D
[15:57] <apachelogger> good thing build is not a generic term
[15:57] <jjesse> Artemis_Fowl: yes with the kde4 ppa i am running kde 4.1 beta 11
[15:57] <jjesse> beta 1
[15:57] <\sh> apachelogger, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11793.html
[15:57] <\sh> apachelogger, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Using_Build.rpm_to_Package_an_OpenSource_Project
[15:57] <apachelogger> \sh: merci
[15:57] <\sh> apachelogger, the fun part is you need somehow fuse or whatever it takes to mount a remote pkg repos...
[15:58] <apachelogger> well
[15:58] <apachelogger> makes my initial statement true
[15:58] <apachelogger> build doesn't support remote repos
[15:58] <ScottK> seele: ~60 kids/class.
[15:58] <\sh> nana wait a moment :)
[15:58] <apachelogger> and I realld didn't want to fiddle with fuse on suse
[15:58] <apachelogger> VM + snapshots is like a chroot ;-)
[15:59] <\sh> apachelogger, try it with osc build ;)
[15:59] <seele> ScottK: wow.. i dont think there were 60 people in my *High School* graduating class
[15:59] <\sh> apachelogger, using the obs client for it
[15:59]  * seele thinks her 8th grade class might have had 12 people in it
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> seele: thats a small school
[16:00] <apachelogger> \sh: so why does build itself not support repos? :P
[16:00] <\sh> apachelogger, because it's also used by OBS for their local stuff
[16:01] <\sh> apachelogger, build does actually everything you need to even build debs on suse ;)
[16:01] <seele> nosrednaekim: yeah.. private school + suburban/rural area
[16:01] <apachelogger> oh well, I should write my own build script
[16:01] <apachelogger> using tha ruby :P
[16:02] <\sh> apachelogger, you need to check in your packages on obs...for that osc to work
[16:02] <apachelogger> yeah, I already do that
[16:02] <apachelogger> oh
[16:02] <apachelogger> good news
[16:02] <apachelogger> kdesupport builds on suse ... letz hope for the packaging
[16:02] <\sh> so ... if you did that, you can use osc co <project> to get your packages...and osc build
[16:02] <jjesse> you just saved lots of money on your car insurance by switching to geiko?
[16:02] <apachelogger> and kdepimlibs seems to build on ubuntu .... letz hope for the packaging
[16:03] <apachelogger> \sh: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/project-neon/neon+obs/annotate/apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20080603112604-87v1mafcsgpfx6b7?file_id=libosc.rb-20080521110414-8w61irj28q6l6yc0-14
[16:05] <\sh> apachelogger, we should have asked plusserver for getting some hardware for buildserver ;)
[16:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:06]  * apachelogger could use tons of servers
[16:06] <apachelogger> automated QA and stuff
[16:17] <\sh> hey milian
[16:19] <milian> hi ho \sh
[16:33]  * Artemis_Fowl is still updating -.-
[16:33] <nosrednaekim> Artemis_Fowl: slow, aren't they?
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: actually the main repos are slow. I am getting full speed at the PPA
[16:34] <nosrednaekim> and what is the full speed?
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: and I haven't updated Hardy since it was released :)
[16:35] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: about 100 KB/s
[16:35] <nosrednaekim> wow.... I was getting 2kB/s
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: in hardy, why does system-config-printer-kde only show the one page for printer sharing?
[17:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: the rest isn't implemented
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> so how do you add printers in kde4?
[17:41] <jjesse> very carefully
[17:41] <jjesse> hp toolbox thingy still there?
[17:42] <stdin> use cups? http://localhost:631/ should be the web interface to cups iirc
[17:48] <nixternal> mornin'
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> good morning
[17:49] <Nightrose> morning nixternal :)
[17:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: good whereisbeta1morning :P
[17:49] <jjesse> morning
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> [10:49] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: there is still a possability I might have finished kde-nightly before nixternal finished beta1 ;-)
[17:49] <eddieftw> morning
[17:49] <nixternal> still workin' on them
[17:49] <apachelogger> yay
[17:49]  * apachelogger meanwhile reached kdebase
[17:50] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: thats a challenge BTW :)
[17:50] <nixternal> I only have like 4 more to go
[17:50] <apachelogger> if that builds, I am basically done :D
[17:50] <nixternal> so you think
[17:51] <apachelogger> same for you :P
[17:51] <nixternal> apachelogger: building is the easy part, fixing all of the conflicts is the fun part
[17:51] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:51] <apachelogger> that's why I am gonna win
[17:51] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[17:51] <apachelogger> kde-nightly > beta1
[17:51]  * Artemis_Fowl should be really studying right now but nixternal created these evil packages and distracts him... :)
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> not to mention apachelogger
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> can't wait for Amarok 2 with *sound*
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> I have that....
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> under opensuse well they have amarok2 but no sound -.-
[17:52] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: google for amarok project neon
[17:52] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: along with Beta1?
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> yup
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> Neon FTW
[17:56] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: it tries to install amarok-nightly-kdebase-runtime and such. will there be any conflict with the actual kdebase-runtime Beta1?
[17:56] <jjesse> what is neon again?
[17:56] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: nope
[17:56] <apachelogger> it's sandboxed
[17:56] <apachelogger> jjesse: amarok-nightly
[17:56] <apachelogger> and soon amarok/kde-nightly
[17:56] <jjesse> seems like a lot of work
[17:58] <eddieftw> nixternal: ping?
[17:59] <nixternal> what
[17:59] <eddieftw> who is doing the loco team approval tomorrow
[18:02] <nixternal> loco council
[18:09] <eddieftw> ah i thought you were doing that
[18:09] <eddieftw> the AZ team is up and i want to show some support but I might not be there when it happens
[18:10] <eddieftw> and we were talking about this just now: is there any guidline on doing 'testimonials' on the team approval wiki page
[18:10] <eddieftw> afaik, it's okay but im not sure
[18:33] <cartman> hi
[18:33] <Riddell> hi cartman
[18:33] <Riddell> Arby: I uploaded your kguitar merge from ages ago thanks, let me know if you have any others that should be uploaded
[18:34] <cartman> lo Riddell , do something about libcaptury pleeease :-)
[18:34] <Riddell> cartman: nothing I can do, it's in pitti's hands (and he's out dancing Tango)
[18:34] <cartman> Friday it is again? :(
[18:34] <cartman> Riddell: one thing you can do
[18:34] <cartman> disable captury :)
[18:34] <cartman> its useless anyway ;)
[18:34] <Arby> Riddell: thanks, let me check
[18:37] <Arby> Riddell: once a merge is uploaded where are they listed so I can check if any are outstanding?
[18:37] <Arby> my merge reports on launchpad are still open, I thought they closed automatically
[18:38] <Riddell> they should close if you use the LP: #1234 syntax in the changelog
[18:38] <Arby> ok, I did that
[18:38] <Riddell> you can check in intrepid-changes mailing list
[18:38] <Riddell> or merges.ubuntu.com
[18:38] <Arby> in which case kdevelop seems to be outstanding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/227939
[18:40] <Arby> Riddell: also kdeaddons https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaddons/+bug/227004
[18:42] <Arby> Riddell: also kdeaccessability https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839
[18:43] <Arby> Riddell: I keep getting failed to build e-mails for ktorrent. I'm working on fixing it how do I stop repeated attempts at a failed build
[18:44] <Arby> I've fixed the initial missing build-dep and hit a new problem
[18:45] <Riddell> Arby: once it has failed to build on all arches, it shouldn't try again unless someone clicks retry
[18:46] <Arby> Riddell: I get a batch of e-mails once a week for all architectures
[18:46] <Arby> and I haven't changed anything
[18:46] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: since Amarok2 from Neon is sandboxed, how may I change the ugly default fonts from Amarok (since it doesn't use the ones defined by the Beta1 SystemSettings module)?
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> Artemis_Fowl: copy over your kdeglobals
[18:49] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: how?
[18:50] <nosrednaekim> http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/kde-4devel/
[18:50] <Riddell> Arby: LP # 227939  should be  LP: #227939
[18:50] <\sh> apachelogger, quassel reviewed, approved, read to upload...or should I sponsor it?
[18:50] <Riddell> ugly syntax really
[18:51] <Arby> ah, my bad
[18:51] <Riddell> Arby: with a missing build-dep it'll keep retrying, shouldn't do with a failed build
[18:51] <apachelogger> \sh: please archive the revu upload
[18:51]  * apachelogger is uploading
[18:51] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: nice
[18:51] <Arby> Riddell: OK, is there no way to stop it
[18:51] <\sh> apachelogger, kk...please see also my comment about debian/copyright...we should name the authors ;)
[18:51] <\sh> especially for the copyright line
[18:51] <Riddell> Arby: upload a fixed version? :)
[18:52] <Arby> Riddell: working on it
[18:52] <Arby> Riddell: I've got a conflict I just can't get right
[18:52] <Arby> hang on
[18:53] <apachelogger> \sh: well, the copyrights say quassel project
[18:53] <apachelogger> and there is no AUTHORS file
[18:53] <\sh> bad bad
[18:53] <\sh> there are more
[18:53] <\sh> I'm asking on #quassel.de ;)
[18:53] <eddieftw> is there anyway to keep amarok from being such a memory hog
[18:54] <apachelogger> \sh: ^_^
[18:54] <apachelogger> \sh: I think we don't have to name them if they chose to use a pseudonym
[18:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think - if all copyright lines say '(c) quassel project', should we name them as individuals?
[18:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: wouldn't think so
[18:55] <\sh> apachelogger, das wird gerade gemacht
[18:55] <\sh> grmpf
[18:55] <\sh> apachelogger, they do it
[18:56]  * apachelogger waits with the upload then
[18:56] <\sh> apachelogger, but get the package in...we can do it later ,->
[18:56] <apachelogger> well
[18:56] <apachelogger> \sh: tell sput to hurry up ;-)
[18:57] <\sh> egs does it ;)
[18:57] <\sh> not sput
[18:57] <apachelogger> \sh: omg, that's going to be even slower :P
[18:58] <\sh> Riddell, you were really missed at LT...
[18:58] <apachelogger> *agree*
[18:58] <Riddell> I was?
[18:58] <nixternal> feel the love
[18:58] <nixternal> kdeedu building
[18:58] <Riddell> it's not something I normally go to
[18:59] <daskreech> eddieftw: type in dragonplayer that should make amarok use less memory
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> daskreech: are you..... serious?
[18:59] <apachelogger> eddieftw: yup, don't load your complete collection in the playlist
[19:00] <apachelogger> also
[19:00] <apachelogger> daskreech: the binary for dragonplayer is dragon :P
[19:01] <apachelogger> omg, kdebase finished on lpia
[19:01] <\sh> Riddell, yes
[19:01] <nixternal> apachelogger: ya, everything has been building on lpia for me as well...totally surprising
[19:01] <apachelogger> :D
[19:01] <daskreech> apachelogger: oh well.. I don't use it much :(
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> what is lpia anyway?
[19:01] <\sh> Riddell, so next year you should mark this week with big red letters...we are trying to plan a pool party: "The Blue Lagoon" ;9
[19:01] <\sh> low power intel architecture
[19:01] <daskreech> I've gotten hooked on cli players
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> \sh: its that like RISC?
[19:02] <apachelogger> \sh: we do?
[19:02] <\sh> nosrednaekim, no it's like i386
[19:02] <nosrednaekim> oh... what computers use that?
[19:02]  * apachelogger only knows about dancing cafés and clubs for next year
[19:02] <daskreech> I use Amarok to manage my music but I'm too repetive to play inside of it
[19:02] <\sh> nosrednaekim, but with less power, less electricty...and usable for computers like the HCT
[19:02] <apachelogger> omg
[19:02] <\sh> apachelogger, already setteled...sebas is with us ;:)
[19:02] <apachelogger> kdebase finished on i386
[19:03] <apachelogger> \sh: the clubbing or the dancing?
[19:03] <\sh> apachelogger, the pool
[19:03] <apachelogger> cool
[19:03]  * apachelogger loves pool parties
[19:04] <nixternal> you youngins and your pool parties
[19:04] <nixternal> I like to throw Nair into pools
[19:04] <nixternal> so you come out hairless
[19:04] <nixternal> muhahhahaa
[19:04] <\sh> Riddell, and you missed aseigo singing "Imagine" and the whole pub was singing with him :)
[19:05] <\sh> nixternal, /me <--- not young
[19:05] <nixternal> \sh: oh, I know :P
[19:05]  * apachelogger agrees with \sh
[19:05] <nixternal> haha
[19:05] <Riddell> Arby: that's those four uploaded thanks
[19:05] <\sh> .oO(well he missed danimo and me, too trying to sing koelsch)
[19:06] <Arby> Riddell:  much obliged
[19:06]  * \sh is apacheloggers dad ;)
[19:06] <apachelogger> indeed
[19:07] <Riddell> Arby: if you have any more time, plenty of extragear ones to merge/update ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.80/src/extragear/
[19:07] <apachelogger> Tm_T: mom, now I know!
[19:07]  * apachelogger is considering to do a radio show
[19:07] <Arby> Riddell: I'll try to sort ktorrent first then take a look
[19:08] <ScottK> jjesse: Intel 4965 or 4985?
[19:08] <daskreech> #amarok.radio ?
[19:08] <Riddell> "debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory
[19:08] <Riddell> Arby: looks like it just needs to build-dep on cdbs
[19:09] <nixternal> http://www.khensu.org/jffda/  <- gotta love the 404 page :)
[19:09] <Arby> Riddell: yes, I fixed that but then pdebuild failed on something else
[19:09] <apachelogger> daskreech: yus
[19:09] <Arby> Riddell: but now there's a newer upstream
[19:09] <ScottK> nixternal: ;-)
[19:09] <Arby> with a much smaller delta
[19:10] <Riddell> Arby: for ktorrent we probably just want to skip straight to 3.1 beta
[19:10] <Arby> Riddell: oh, OK
[19:10] <Riddell> Arby: assuming it's reasonably stable
[19:11] <Arby> Riddell: I'm not qualified to decide that
[19:11] <Riddell> Arby: looks like the chroots in the buildds are broken, prepare for lots of build failures
[19:11] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, they broke for a bit in the PPAs yesterday as well
[19:11] <Arby> happy happy joy joy :)
[19:11] <Riddell> Arby: well try and torrent something with 3.1, if it works, do it
[19:12] <Arby> ok
[19:13] <apachelogger> omg, no broken buildds :S
[19:17] <allee> ScottK, jjesse: FWIW: no problem with Intel 4965 on D830 and 630 with Gutsy and now Hardy.  Worked out of the box here.
[19:17] <nixternal> hehe, I love when that happens
[19:18] <ScottK> I have a D430 with Intel 4965 that worked OOB too for both.
[19:18] <jjesse> doesn't work for me with hardy out of the box... doesn't detect the card
[19:18] <ScottK> jjesse: What motherboard?
[19:18] <ScottK> IIRC I've seen problem reports on non-Intel motherboards.
[19:18] <allee> jjesse: wlan enabled in bios?  wlan switch on left hand side turned on?
[19:18] <jjesse> allee: yes to both
[19:19] <jjesse> on the phone
[19:19] <allee> weird!
[19:20] <nixternal> Riddell: did you have any probs with 4.1 beta and icons disappearing under Menu -> Applications?
[19:24] <gribelu> nixternal: i did :)
[19:25] <nixternal> gribelu: did you get it sorted out?
[19:25] <gribelu> didn't really try.. was hopping it would fix itself
[19:25] <gribelu> still no icons
[19:26] <nixternal> it is either 1 of 2 things:  rename/remove ~/.kde4 or...install kdebase-runtime-data-common
[19:28] <jjesse> wow killing machine with my virtual machines running
[19:28] <Riddell> nixternal: no (although we did with 4.0 when it was installed to /usr/lib/kde4)
[19:31] <apachelogger> Need to get 175MB of archives. <--- what could that be ;-)
[19:32] <gribelu> nixternal: why wasn't kdebase-runtime-data-common installed in the first place?
[19:33] <nixternal> trying to figure that out, especially seeing that it is a dep of packages being installed
[19:34] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot008.png
[19:35] <gribelu> heh
[19:35] <jjesse> yay?
[19:36] <gribelu> apachelogger:  will those packages be available on hardy or just ibex?
[19:36] <apachelogger> just hardy
[19:36] <gribelu> ah great.. didn't feel like using pre-alpha again.. did it on hardy and it sucked
[19:45] <nixternal> my question is this, if you are doing nightlies, then why am I wasting my time with beta?
[19:46] <daskreech> nixternal: Cause beta is better than nightlies for some people?
[19:47] <apachelogger> uhhh, this is so hot
[19:47] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[19:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: daskreech is probably right now that
[19:47] <apachelogger> because that question is like why does anyone do releases
[19:47]  * daskreech considers sabdfl's blog
[19:51] <daskreech> Anyone ever done programming languages for the masses?
[19:51]  * nixternal wonders why kdevelop 3.5.1 was uploaded to Ibex when there is a 3.5.2 out now
[19:54] <Arby> nixternal: because 3.5.1 is what appeared on merges.u.c at the time I did the merge
[19:55] <Arby> which was about 3 weeks ago
[19:56] <nixternal> ahhh
[19:56] <nixternal> gotcha
[19:56] <apachelogger> ah
[19:56] <apachelogger> well
[19:57] <apachelogger> there is some usability issue within the kde-nightly implimentation
[19:57] <apachelogger> meh
[19:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:57] <nixternal> 3.5.2 fixes quite a few bugs
[19:57] <nixternal> apachelogger: what's up?
[19:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: I did win, didn't I?
[19:57] <nixternal> apachelogger: I have 80% of the modules completed, where do you sit ?
[19:58] <apachelogger> I don't really wanna introduce any more packages, I currently have kdebase, network and multimedia are queued
[19:58] <nixternal> plus the core packages I have uploaded are about 95% fixed from overwriting/conflict issues now
[19:58] <apachelogger> besides, I am only copy'n'pasting at this point :D
[20:07] <Arby> Riddell: ktorrent.org has 3.1rc1 released. Is that what we want to merge?
[20:07] <Arby> and how do I merge something without the aid of MoM
[20:08] <Arby> or do I need to package from scratch?
[20:08] <daskreech> MoM's boy
[20:08] <Arby> ?
[20:09] <daskreech> Nothing. I"m hungry
[20:10] <jjesse> i'm hungry as well
[20:11] <jjesse> time to find something to eat at work
[20:12] <Riddell> Arby: yep
[20:14] <Arby> Riddell: yes that's what we want or yes package from scratch,or both?
[20:14] <Riddell> Arby: yes we want 3.1 rc 1, grab the package from debian experimental (or svn.debian.org) and update for rc 1
[20:16] <Riddell> nixternal: there seems to be a meeting on, are you going to it?
[20:16] <Arby> ok, out of my depth now, how do I update for rc1
[20:16] <Arby> ?
[20:17] <Riddell> Arby: get rc 1 from the ktorrent website, copy over the debian directory, dch -i
[20:17] <Riddell> check it compiles
[20:17] <Arby> ok
[20:18] <Arby> expect a lot of questions :)
[20:18] <Riddell> questions are good
[20:18] <apachelogger> Arby: you can throw them at me, my padawn apparently got lost ;-)
[20:19]  * Arby goes off to fetch the various components
[20:19] <mhb> Arby: ola!
[20:20] <Arby> hi mhb
[20:21] <mhb> Arby: what's up?
[20:21] <Arby> mhb: I pushed an updated jockey-kde that does kIcon(name) instead of KIcon(fullpath)
[20:21] <Arby> mhb: the about data issues still exists though
[20:21] <mhb> Arby: splendid!
[20:21] <mhb> hmm
[20:21] <Arby> mhb: but the current version works
[20:21] <mhb> have you asked Riddell about that? If somebody knows, he does.
[20:21] <Arby> just inelegant
[20:22] <Arby> I looked at some other applications, they all seem to just set it in the code
[20:22] <Arby> but I'm buried in merges tonight
[20:23] <mhb> hmm
[20:23] <a|wen> any packages need merging, that i should look at?
[20:23] <mhb> ugly apps!
[20:23] <daskreech> merge everything into a package called allstuff :)
[20:24] <mhb> a|wen: that wasn't for you, that was for arby :o) ugly apps don't need packaging
[20:25] <a|wen> daskreech: uhh, cool :P ... everytime we update one package you need to download your complete system again ;)
[20:25] <Riddell> a|wen: take your pick from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html  knights might be an easy one to start with
[20:25] <a|wen> mhb: i thought so :)
[20:25] <a|wen> Riddell: i'll give knights a go
[20:27] <daskreech> a|wen: aint it? :) good way to kick comcast in the butt
[20:28] <nixternal> Riddell: still waiting for a couple of more sponsors and then get the vote from the MC before I go in front of the TB
[20:29] <a|wen> daskreech: he ... has heard a lot bad about comcast; and i'm not even living on the same continent as them
[20:30]  * nixternal ditched comcast for AT&T UVerse with 10mb down and 2mb up for $20 USD less a month
[20:30] <nixternal> I get every channel, unlimited long distance, and super fast internet all provided via fiber, for less than $200 USD/month
[20:31] <Riddell> 200?
[20:32] <\sh> nixternal, you read -meeting NOW?
[20:32]  * \sh never touches main again ;)
[20:32] <nixternal> I am reading it
[20:33] <daskreech> nixternal: did you get the  plasma docs on svn?
[20:35] <nixternal> daskreech: yes, doc/plasma/index.docbook
[20:36] <Arby> apachelogger: here goes then, trying to merge ktorrent 3.1rc1 with ktorrent 3.1~beta2+dfsg.1-1
[20:36] <Arby> apachelogger: I'm looking at http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/ktorrent
[20:36] <Arby> what files do I need from that page or am I looking at the wrong place
[20:38] <apachelogger> hm
[20:39] <apachelogger> Arby: why would you merge with experimental and not unstable?
[20:39] <apachelogger> ah
[20:39] <Arby> apachelogger: because r1ddell said so
[20:39] <apachelogger> kde4 is still in experimental
[20:39]  * apachelogger is wondering whether that is every going to move to unstable
[20:39] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:41] <nixternal> apachelogger: not until after kde 4.1 is released
[20:41] <mhb> s/in//
[20:42] <apachelogger> Arby: take a look at the ubuntu changelog
[20:43] <apachelogger> Arby: if you don't find anything specific which needs to be applied to the merged package
[20:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we sync debian's debian/cdbs/?
[20:45]  * apachelogger thinks his keyboard might run out of power soon
[20:45]  * nixternal almost said no thinking about Hardy packages
[20:46] <Arby> apachelogger: based on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent there is still one patch we use.
[20:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[20:48] <daskreech> nixternal:groovy
[20:48] <Riddell> Arby: your want the three files under "Download ktorrent"
[20:48] <Arby> Riddell: thanks
[20:49] <Riddell> Arby: or you can just get the debian directory from their svn http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ktorrent/branches/experimental/debian/
[20:49] <apachelogger> woah, my system just exploded :|
[20:49] <Riddell> svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ktorrent/branches/experimental/debian/
[20:50] <Arby> Riddell: ah, I saw that still trying to understand how the bits fit together
[20:50] <Arby> I've already grabbed that
[20:50] <Arby> Riddell: so I just drop that into to rc1 source and see if it builds or what?
[20:50] <Riddell> Arby: yep
[20:50] <Arby> ok
[20:51] <Riddell> Arby: dch -i  to add a changelog entry
[20:52] <Arby> Riddell: debuild -S fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/16664/
[20:53] <Riddell> Arby: you need to edit debian/rules
[20:53] <Arby> ok
[20:53] <Riddell> add THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE = 1
[20:53] <Riddell> above the include line
[20:53] <Arby> right
[20:58] <nixternal> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16665 <- you getting this with the intrepid packages as well?
[20:58] <Arby> Riddell: that got it, debuild -S completes, running pdebuild now
[20:59] <nixternal> not get that, but have seen that
[21:01] <mhb> so, tomorrow's the big meeting, right?
[21:07] <Riddell> nixternal: not that I've seen
[21:08] <a|wen> Riddell: I've merged knigths and generated the two debdiffs ... what do you want me to do with them?
[21:08] <Riddell> a|wen: put them on a webserver somewhere (or make a bug and attach if you don't have one)
[21:11] <a|wen> Riddell: they are here http://awen.dk/packages/merges/knights/
[21:12] <Riddell> looks good
[21:12] <apachelogger> what does kubuntu_01_fix_castle.diff?
[21:13] <apachelogger> ..do
[21:13] <apachelogger> ah
[21:13] <apachelogger> forget that question
[21:15] <a|wen> cool :) ... first merge so a little excited if i was totally wrong
[21:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you pushing it in?
[21:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: when I get a chance, and only if nobody else has first
[21:35]  * apachelogger dgets knights
[21:40] <nixternal> hrmm, some people are claiming to have issues with kde 4.1 beta 1 and nvidia/ati graphics cards, and some aren't
[21:40] <nixternal> I hate those types of reports :)
[21:40] <ScottK> Just tell the whiners they shoulda bought FOSS friendly video cards.
[21:41] <nixternal> haha, right
[21:41]  * daskreech makes up a set of reports that nixternal likes :)
[21:41] <apachelogger> agreed
[21:41] <apachelogger> a|wen: .ubuntu is the diff from latest ubuntu version to you merge?
[21:41] <daskreech> nixternal: sounds like me with website development
[21:41] <a|wen> apachelogger: yes ... and .debian is diff from the latest debian version
[21:41] <ScottK> nixternal: I finally said something nice about your core-dev app, so that's one more.
[21:41] <nixternal> hehe, thanks :)
[21:41] <daskreech> This particualr browser on this platform makes all the fonts go white
[21:42] <apachelogger> a|wen: in that case, .ubuntu includes more stuff than it should
[21:42] <daskreech> Wha? what the hell? I built that 9 months ago
[21:42] <nixternal> jeesh, Intrepid got all of the good updates (ie. poppler which means I have to build it and put it in the PPA now)
[21:42] <a|wen> apachelogger: in what manner?
[21:42] <daskreech> nixternal: well yah :)
[21:43] <daskreech> nixternal: Wanted dapper to get them?
[21:43] <apachelogger> a|wen: it contains changes outside debian/
[21:43] <apachelogger> and since it's only about packaging changes
[21:43] <apachelogger> there should be no changes outside debian/
[21:44] <a|wen> apachelogger: it's the config.(sub|guess) right?
[21:44] <daskreech> dizney: Seriously?
[21:45] <apachelogger> a|wen: and some makefile stuff
[21:46] <a|wen> apachelogger: it's a .backup file that has been removed sometime since the fork ... as it's in the debian version i don't know if i should keep it or delete it
[21:46] <a|wen> apachelogger: you vote for having it deleted?
[21:47] <apachelogger> well, if it is in debian, we leave it
[21:47] <apachelogger> the less difference the better
[21:47] <apachelogger> speaking of that
[21:48] <apachelogger> a|wen: it would be cool if you could add a file listing the differences  to debian
[21:48] <apachelogger> faster to have a look into that file than to digg through the changelog
[21:49] <apachelogger> a|wen: like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/debian/annotate/apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20080319200239-o8rkeq241h64leke?file_id=kubuntudebiandiffere-20071203181052-mxbdqtri5m6g24q1-1
[21:50] <a|wen> apachelogger: okay ... i'll do that for the next merge
[21:50] <apachelogger> well
[21:50] <apachelogger> a|wen: is the config.* stuff also from debian?
[21:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: those two files tend to change every time the package is build ... the changes to them shouldn't be included when uploading a new version of a package; but for one of the packages since the fork it has been uploaded to ubuntu, that's why they are there
[21:55] <apachelogger> ok, I'll nuke them
[21:55]  * apachelogger mumbles something about stupid autohell and it's even more stupid files
[21:55] <apachelogger> cmake ftw!
[21:57]  * a|wen has nuked config.* from debdiffs so many times, that he does not want to count them
[21:58] <nixternal> figures, right as I upload poppler 0.8.2 to ppa, 0.8.3 release is announced :)
[21:58] <a|wen> how often do packages autosync?
[21:59] <ScottK> a|wen: Twice a day (nominally somewhat after dinstall runs in Debian to catch all the packages from the dinstall run).
[22:01] <a|wen> ScottK: okay, cool ... then i should stop getting all those build failed mails for qtoctave already tomorrow
[22:01] <apachelogger> oha
[22:01] <apachelogger> now
[22:02] <apachelogger> dpatch, omg
[22:02]  * apachelogger is cared
[22:02] <apachelogger> and can't type anymore
[22:03]  * ScottK hands apachelogger dpatch-edit-patch and a sedative.
[22:03] <apachelogger> hm, thanks
[22:03] <apachelogger> is it just me or is quilt > dpatch?
[22:04] <ScottK> It's not just you, but it's not everybody.
[22:04] <ScottK> Quilt is substantially more complex than dpatch.
[22:04] <a|wen> apachelogger: dpatch is very similar to simple patchsys ... quilt is a whole different approach
[22:04] <apachelogger> well, if it was everybody it would be kinda boring again :)
[22:04] <ScottK> If I used it more, I'd probably like it.
[22:05] <apachelogger> yeah, quilt is a bit trick to get used to
[22:05]  * a|wen nods
[22:05]  * nixternal wishes everyone used cmake so I can see how far along a build is :)
[22:06] <apachelogger> :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> good patch I applied there :D
[22:07]  * apachelogger hands a|wen a cookie
[22:07] <a|wen> :)
[22:09] <a|wen> any good ideas for next package to merge ... or should i just go crazy with MoM at anything starting with k*
[22:10] <apachelogger> going krazy is always a good idea
[22:10] <Riddell> knutclient is next on the list
[22:12]  * a|wen looks at knutclient
[22:15] <apachelogger> a|wen: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knights thanks for your contribution :)
[22:16] <a|wen> thanks apachelogger!
[22:23] <a|wen> should i update standardsversion from 3.7.2 to 3.7.3 during the merge?
[22:29] <ScottK> a|wen: I wouldn't bother unless you make another change that is relevant to (extremely unlikely).
[22:30] <a|wen> ScottK: i need to update the homepage as it has moved, so i could as well add it as a correct homepage field under 3.7.3
[22:30] <ScottK> Homepage is not related to standards version, so I wouldn't change it.
[22:31] <a|wen> ScottK: but is it okay to have a homepage field under source in debian/control with v3.7.2 ?
[22:31] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:32] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... i'll do without changing it then
[22:43] <astromme> Hello. Does anyone have updates on Neon builds of kde for kubuntu? I'd love to be able to drop compiling kde with kdesvn-build.
[22:44]  * daskreech watches the place get really really really silent
[22:44] <a|wen> Riddell: knutclient should be ready http://awen.dk/packages/merges/knutclient/
[22:44]  * astromme worries that he killed the channel >_>
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> astromme: someone is wokring on them
[22:57] <a|wen> the buildd's are definately not happy today
[22:57] <apachelogger> a|wen: where does the knutclient-0.9.3/src/knutdock.h change in .ubuntu come from?
[22:58] <a|wen> apachelogger: it's from the debian non-maintainer upload
[22:59] <apachelogger> eh
[22:59] <apachelogger> oh
[22:59] <a|wen> apachelogger: "Fix gcc-4.3 FTBFS, patch by KiBi"
[22:59] <apachelogger> if it was a patch at least :|
[23:00] <apachelogger> looks good to me
[23:00] <a|wen> apachelogger: in debian the non-maintainer uploads almost never is patches :/ ... often they are turned into patches later
[23:00] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: one of you please check as well
[23:00] <a|wen> cool :)
[23:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: check what?
[23:01] <apachelogger> a|wen: why not do them as patches in the first place then :S
[23:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://awen.dk/packages/merges/knutclient/knutclient_0.9.3-1.1ubuntu1.debdiff.ubuntu
[23:02] <Riddell> I would turn that into a patch
[23:02] <a|wen> apachelogger: i think the point is, that a non-maintainer upload shouldn't consider patch-systems (often you will need adding them) ... but yeah; still somewhat strange
[23:03] <apachelogger> hm
[23:04] <a|wen> Riddell: adding a patchsystem to add the single-line patch? ... we'll get a lot bigger diff from debian
[23:04] <apachelogger> well
[23:04] <apachelogger> IMO
[23:04] <apachelogger> it doesn't make much difference
[23:05] <apachelogger> a sync wouldn't convert that change into a patch either
[23:05] <a|wen> good point
[23:05] <apachelogger> a|wen: if you want to you can make it a simple-patch
[23:05] <apachelogger> otherwise I think we should just upload as it is
[23:06] <a|wen> i would upload as is ... the inline patch is in debian; so it is not as it is getting lost in ubuntu
[23:06] <apachelogger> hm
[23:06] <apachelogger> on the other hand
[23:06] <apachelogger> that would be good pratice :P
[23:07] <a|wen> hehe ... i think i know my way around patch systems well enough already ;)
[23:07]  * apachelogger should stop thinking like a mentor, that makes him appear even more pedantic
[23:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: upload away
[23:08] <apachelogger> aye aye, captain :)
[23:10] <apachelogger> a|wen: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knutclient thanks
[23:11] <a|wen> apachelogger: thanks again
[23:11]  * a|wen sets sail for going to bed
[23:12] <Riddell> thanks a|wen
[23:12]  * apachelogger goes to transporter room 3 for the very same :P
[23:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: that's sounds like an alternative solution ;)
[23:12] <daskreech> can't do it cap'n I just don't have enough bandwidth!!
[23:14] <a|wen> see you all tomorrow
[23:14] <apachelogger> cya a|wen
[23:14] <nixternal> hrmm, should kdepim kde 4.1 be kde4pim, or kdepim-kde4? that is the $2 question :)
[23:14]  * apachelogger uploads a new kde-nightly-kdelibs
[23:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: -kde4
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: the latter..... and here is $2 to support my claim :P
[23:14] <nixternal> seems kde4pim might be the winner, only because that is the name already in debian
[23:15] <apachelogger> why did they name it kde4pim?
[23:15]  * apachelogger finds all this naming quite confusing TBH
[23:16] <nixternal> I have no clue
[23:16] <nixternal> I just now noticed it in the changelog
[23:16] <apachelogger> good
[23:16] <apachelogger> well
[23:16] <apachelogger> might be the same unkown reason as for kde4libs
[23:16] <nixternal> exactly :)
[23:16] <nixternal> haha
[23:16] <apachelogger> which is as strange
[23:16] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:16] <apachelogger> bedtime
[23:17] <apachelogger> I have to get enough sleep as I probably won't tomorrow ;-)
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> XD
[23:30] <Mez> does celeste normally go as celeste on here? or am I imagining things? Her website is killing my browser
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> seele:
[23:43] <daskreech> Mez: she's seele
[23:43] <daskreech> What the hell are you still doing awake?
[23:44] <Mez> seele?
[23:44] <Mez> thats annoying compared to sealne
[23:45] <daskreech> :-) It's on her profile on pk.o in anycase
[23:46] <daskreech> Mez: Which browser?
[23:46] <Mez> FF3
[23:48] <daskreech> Doesn't seem awful here
[23:48] <daskreech> Or are you looking at something off the beaten path?
[23:51] <Mez> dunno - was trying to post a blog comment
[23:51]  * Mez shrugs
[23:51] <Mez> and still awake - I'm normally up till 1amish
[23:51] <daskreech> ok
[23:56] <seele> Mez: pong?
[23:57] <seele> my website is killing your browser? hum
[23:57] <Mez> seele, your website was causing FF to run @ 200% CPU
[23:57] <seele> i dont remember the theme using any javascript
[23:57] <Mez> (2 CPUs)
[23:57] <Mez> there is a javascript error on there
[23:58] <seele> hum.. must be a broken wordpress plugin
[23:58] <Mez> or there was ...
[23:58] <Mez> now theres not ...
[23:58] <Mez> hum
[23:58] <daskreech> self repairing java script :)
[23:59] <Mez> yeah - that happens to me at work all the time