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| Syntux | @schedule Amman | 18:33 |
| ubottu | Syntux: Schedule for Asia/Amman: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | 04 Jun 00:00: Community Council | 04 Jun 09:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 19:00: LoCo Council | 05 Jun 00:00: Server Team | 05 Jun 01:00: Kubuntu Team | 18:33 |
| lukehasnoname | @schedule cdt | 19:13 |
| ubottu | lukehasnoname: Error: Unknown timezone: cdt - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html | 19:13 |
| lukehasnoname | @schedule cst | 19:13 |
| ubottu | lukehasnoname: Error: Unknown timezone: cst - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html | 19:13 |
| lukehasnoname | @schedule Houston | 19:13 |
| ubottu | lukehasnoname: Error: Unknown timezone: Houston - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html | 19:13 |
| lukehasnoname | @schedule CST | 19:13 |
| ubottu | lukehasnoname: Error: Unknown timezone: CST - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html | 19:14 |
| slangasek | @schedule Chicago | 19:14 |
| ubottu | slangasek: Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | 03 Jun 16:00: Community Council | 04 Jun 01:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 11:00: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 16:00: Server Team | 04 Jun 17:00: Kubuntu Team | 19:14 |
| slangasek | there ;) | 19:14 |
| lukehasnoname | ;_; | 19:14 |
| lukehasnoname | that was my next try | 19:15 |
| slangasek | now, where are the GNOME people when I need to told-you-so them about Americans not commonly referring to their timezones by city name... | 19:15 |
| lukehasnoname | @schedule GMT-6 | 19:19 |
| ubottu | lukehasnoname: Error: Unknown timezone: GMT-6 - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html | 19:19 |
| lukehasnoname | hahaha | 19:19 |
| Syntux | @schedule Mars | 19:20 |
| ubottu | Syntux: Error: Unknown timezone: Mars - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html | 19:21 |
| lukehasnoname | How are things in Jordan | 19:26 |
| Syntux | lukehasnoname, dandy | 19:30 |
| Syntux | lukehasnoname, ever been there? | 19:31 |
| lukehasnoname | not at all | 19:31 |
| lukehasnoname | I've never been more than 1200 miles from home | 19:32 |
| lukehasnoname | which means I've never been out of Texas :) | 19:32 |
| Syntux | heh | 19:32 |
| lukehasnoname | haha, no I've been to tennessee and Colorado and everywhere between and south, if you know the U.S. | 19:32 |
| Syntux | lukehasnoname, yeah, aware of states names, my brother been there for long time. | 19:33 |
| lukehasnoname | syntux: Is Jordan peaceful compared to the rest of the region? | 19:34 |
| Syntux | lukehasnoname, depends how you look at the region, anyway I guess we should take this into PM or #Ubuntu-offtopic | 19:35 |
| Seeker` | @schedule | 19:47 |
| ubottu | Seeker`: Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | 03 Jun 21:00: Community Council | 04 Jun 06:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 16:00: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 21:00: Server Team | 04 Jun 22:00: Kubuntu Team | 19:47 |
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| mdz | good evening | 20:00 |
| tkamppeter | hi | 20:00 |
| Keybuk | evening | 20:00 |
| mdz | #startmeeting | 20:01 |
| mdz | MootBot: poke | 20:01 |
| jdstrand | hi | 20:01 |
| Keybuk | mdz: wasn't MootBot one of Dennis's? | 20:01 |
| pitti | hi | 20:01 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I haven't tried to use it in a while, but was sure it was rescued | 20:01 |
| pitti | hi | 20:01 |
| mdz | it doesn't seem to be responding. oh, well. | 20:02 |
| zul | hello | 20:02 |
| mdz | [TOPIC] core developer application from Till Kamppeter | 20:02 |
| mdz | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-May/001100.html | 20:03 |
| Keybuk | I really only have one question for tkamppeter | 20:04 |
| mdz | there looks to have been some controversy in the thread leading up to this application being submitted | 20:04 |
| Keybuk | and it's entirely unrelated to his core-dev application | 20:04 |
| mdz | I hope it isn't "why doesn't my printer work?" | 20:05 |
| \sh | evening | 20:06 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yes, it pretty much is ;) | 20:06 |
| tkamppeter | Keybuk, are we still waiting for someone? | 20:06 |
| \sh | Keybuk, don't buy dell..buy real hardware ,-) | 20:06 |
| pitti | Till is the prime example for a "specialist" developer; I hardly look at the debdiffs of system-config-printer or foomatic etc. any more, but I would carefully check a gnome-panel or udev upload from him | 20:06 |
| Keybuk | more "hawlp! my printer doesn't work! what can I do to help you fix it?" :) | 20:06 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: can you tell us about the concerns which were raised on the list with regard to the Brother driver packages? | 20:06 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: no, not waiting, we're just a bit slow tonight | 20:07 |
| mdz | Keybuk and I represent a quorum | 20:07 |
| tkamppeter | It was that I have uploaded the packages with some quirks in them, like a world-writable directory. I have hurried somewhat to get them in before FF and assuming that there are still 6 weeks in which the very motivated contributors could polish them. | 20:08 |
| pitti | (please note that this was merely uploaded to NEW, and rejected there; they never actually landed in the archive) | 20:09 |
| mdz | pitti: tkamppeter mentioned that you had reviewed these packages as well, and approved of their upload. any comment? | 20:09 |
| Keybuk | tkamppeter: had you taken any steps to motivate the contributors? | 20:09 |
| Keybuk | or at least alert them to the problems? | 20:09 |
| pitti | it was partly my fault | 20:09 |
| pitti | in an effort to process the 23948239432 NEW packages before FF more efficiently, I asked people to just upload, and I'd review them directly in NEW | 20:09 |
| tkamppeter | Keybuk, I have forwarded everything which pitti told me about which was wrong to them and I got improved packages a day later or so. | 20:10 |
| pitti | instead of getting them reviewed somewhere else by MOTU first | 20:10 |
| pitti | mdz: i. e. I said "please upload to NEW, I'll review them", instead of "I review them from <someurl>, then we fix it, then upload" (the standard procedure) | 20:10 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: were you aware of any of those problems before pitti reviewed the package? | 20:10 |
| mdz | some of them seemed like basic packaging errors | 20:11 |
| tkamppeter | The upstream quality of these packages was very bad. They had to do a lot of hacking to get them into a distro-installable form. I have checked the structure and whether they install smoothly on my box and whether they build under pbuilder, but I have really overlooked that there was a world-writable dir in them. | 20:12 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: doesn't lintian check that? | 20:12 |
| mdz | non-standard-dir-perm I think | 20:13 |
| tkamppeter | Probably I have not tried it to drive to complete lintian-cleaniness but looked only on whether it installs and runs. | 20:14 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: did you run lintian on the package? | 20:14 |
| tkamppeter | I really must look into the thread again about what exactly I have done and what I have asked the contributor to fix in which stage. | 20:15 |
| Seeker` | sorry bout the lack of mootbot | 20:17 |
| Seeker` | there have been big hosting porblems, and it doesn't seem to be working properly on its current host | 20:17 |
| mdz | Seeker`: sorry to hear it; please email me if there is something I can do to help | 20:18 |
| Keybuk | tkamppeter: I have a scenario for you. | 20:18 |
| Keybuk | It's after Intrepid Beta release, and you're getting a lot of bug reports about printers not working. One of the bug reports has a patch to HAL that people are enthusiastically reporting fixes it for them, and this is getting wide publicity on forums and blogs. | 20:18 |
| Keybuk | What's your next step? | 20:18 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, any reasoning to not follow the motu rules for contributed packages from non-motus? I'm curious why you didn't send them to revu/motu with their packages, despite the fact, that motus could upload NEW packages without being reviewed when they were build from themselves | 20:18 |
| Seeker` | mdz: sadly, most people wont touch eggdrop. I'll try and get it fixed this evening | 20:19 |
| pitti | that has been discussed on the ML already: FF churn | 20:19 |
| mdz | pitti: the feedback of yours linked from the council's recommendation seems to pertain specifically to the comments on the brother package. do you have more general comments as a sponsor other than what you already said about specialization? | 20:19 |
| tkamppeter | \sh, pitti has told me to directly upload into NEW, due to the FF. If no one has invited me to do so I had taken the standard procedure- | 20:19 |
| pitti | mdz: My feeling is that tkamppeter understands the freeze rules now, and I trust him enough to upload the printer specific packages (like system-config-printer, cups, foomatic, etc.); he's still not a 100% proficient packager, but a great printing package maintainer and upstream developer | 20:21 |
| pitti | of course I understand that right now we still don't have this DM-like concept in Ubuntu | 20:21 |
| tkamppeter | Keybuk, I would try out the package by myself and run it to see whether it improves the situation and does not break anything (as longs as feasable on my box). I would also check through the changes to see whether there is something broken, or whether an extra library (= new dependency) is needed ... | 20:22 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: what's your answer to Keybuk's scenario? | 20:22 |
| Keybuk | tkamppeter: ok, so your testing does indeed show that printing works again with the patch, and doesn't introduce any new dependencies | 20:23 |
| Keybuk | what's next? | 20:23 |
| tkamppeter | I would also try a build with pbuilder if the patch is non-trivial, to catch an FTBFS due to a new dep. | 20:23 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: just assume that the package builds, and works now | 20:23 |
| tkamppeter | If the patch is not very small I would try a lintian to see whether nothing in the package structure broke (or thingslike world-writale dir) | 20:24 |
| Keybuk | tkamppeter: builds fine, lintian shows no new problems | 20:24 |
| tkamppeter | If there is enough time and if other users are participating in the bug discussion I would upload the files onto my server (or PPA) and invite the others to test. | 20:25 |
| Keybuk | tkamppeter: you get a number of thanks from the reporters, and they say it fixes it | 20:25 |
| tkamppeter | (All assumiung that I do not have the printer in question) Then I would have enough confidence to upload it: Package actually improves situation for owners of the hardware in question, package is lintian-OK, package does not FTBFS, then I would sign and upload it. | 20:27 |
| tkamppeter | Smaller issued are then hopefully found by the wide Intrepid testing community. | 20:28 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: how much do you actually know about the guts of hal? | 20:28 |
| tkamppeter | Only more basic stuff, I have done some simple changes in hal-cups-utils, including making it actually working on Ubuntu. I have read through HAL docs for that. | 20:29 |
| Keybuk | there are many patches in Launchpad which appear to fix the problem | 20:31 |
| Keybuk | but are in fact, somewhat wrong | 20:31 |
| Keybuk | they may break something else you weren't testing | 20:31 |
| pitti | and create a huge security hole, or are fundamentally wrong | 20:31 |
| Keybuk | or they may be deliberate decisions by upstream or by the person in Ubuntu who cares a lot about that | 20:31 |
| Keybuk | especially if you don't know much about the package in question, it's often an idea to talk to other people first | 20:32 |
| Keybuk | before applying a patch to HAL, even I generally check with pitti | 20:32 |
| Keybuk | if he's not around, others like cjwatson, slangasek or myself may be able to spot the problem you're about to introduce | 20:32 |
| pitti | and patches should generally be sent to upstream; after FF they should even be discussed with upstream *before* applying them (unless it's really obvious, like fixing a NULL deref, or so) | 20:33 |
| tkamppeter | I am also generally trying to get patches upstream, I akso dislike that the distros deviate too much from upstream as this creates a maintenance nightmare and also a lot of mail about non-upstream problems in upstream forums. | 20:34 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: if a mechanism were available for you to gain upload privileges for specific packages, rather than all of main (as ubuntu-core-dev currently implies), would you have opted for that rather than ubuntu-core-dev? | 20:34 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: or are you interested in participating more generally in development? | 20:35 |
| tkamppeter | For the Common Printing Dialog for example I have informed the relevant upstreams and let my GSoC student make work together with them- | 20:35 |
| Seeker` | #startmeeting | 20:35 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 14:37. The chair is Seeker`. | 20:35 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 20:35 |
| Seeker` | #endmeeting | 20:35 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 14:37. | 20:35 |
| mdz | Seeker`: thanks | 20:36 |
| Seeker` | the logs wont be available immediately, but hopefully in the next 24 hours or so | 20:36 |
| tkamppeter | mdz, this mechanism would be enough for me. My plans are simply to continue in the printing area. And on non-printing packages like HAL or so, I would only upload small trivial patches, never a big thing, and I usually ask here on IRC if I am in doubt with a method or idea to get something solved. | 20:37 |
| mdz | I am told that Launchpad will provide such a mechanism in the foreseeable future | 20:38 |
| mdz | and so I would like to propose the option of applying for core-dev with a commitment to limit uploads to a named set of packages | 20:39 |
| mdz | to be transitioned to that new access control mechanism when it becomes available | 20:39 |
| sirderigo | hola | 20:39 |
| mdz | Keybuk: would you be willing to consider that? | 20:39 |
| mdz | iirc we did something similar for rtg | 20:39 |
| tkamppeter | mdz, so I agree with that. Can we simply say that the TB agrees on that with me and activate this state as soon as the Launchpad is ready? | 20:40 |
| Keybuk | mdz: as in, grant core-dev privileges until such time as we can make better lists? | 20:41 |
| mdz | Keybuk: privileges with a social limitation | 20:41 |
| Keybuk | that was my feeling of the right course | 20:41 |
| mdz | until that social limitation can become a technical one | 20:41 |
| Keybuk | tkamppeter: would you be happy limiting yourself to printing packages, and where there are patches to things like HAL, still working with others like pitti to have them upload them? | 20:42 |
| tkamppeter | mdz, I will upload only printing stuff directly, for other things I will ask others whether it is OK before uploading. | 20:42 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: we will need a list of packages | 20:43 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: could you prepare such a list and email it to technical-board? then we can process your application by email | 20:43 |
| pitti | the hardy ones on https://edge.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/+packages seem like a good start | 20:44 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: you don't need to do it right now; we can take this offline | 20:45 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: are you there? | 20:46 |
| tkamppeter | Yes, I am here, mail sent. | 20:47 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: OK, we will move on with the meeting and then review the package list | 20:47 |
| tkamppeter | OK. | 20:48 |
| mdz | tkamppeter: thanks for talking with us | 20:48 |
| mdz | jdstrand: still here? | 20:48 |
| jdstrand | mdz: yep | 20:48 |
| mdz | [TOPIC] Ubuntu core developer application from Jamie Strandboge | 20:48 |
| mdz | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-May/001101.html | 20:48 |
| mdz | kees: are you here? you've presumably sponsored more of Jamie's packages than anyone | 20:49 |
| kees | hi! | 20:50 |
| kees | I'm a huge super-supporter of jamie's work | 20:50 |
| Seeker` | mdz: You need to do #startmeeting | 20:50 |
| mdz | soren,zul: are you here? | 20:51 |
| soren | I am indeed. | 20:51 |
| kees | he's been doing extensive uploads to -security for a while now, and I have no reservations at all about his abilities. any time an update is assigned to him, I know it's getting done very well. | 20:51 |
| mdz | Seeker`: I figured an incomplete log would be confusing, and that I should just publish my own copy | 20:51 |
| Seeker` | fair enough :) | 20:51 |
| soren | I can vouch 100% for Jamie. I have no reservations at all granting him core-dev privileges. | 20:52 |
| zul | mdz: I am I have uploaded a couple of Jamie's packages and I have quite happy about his work. I support him 100% | 20:52 |
| mdz | soren: what sort of work of his have you reviewed (presumably non-security-related)? | 20:52 |
| soren | He's careful and has a keen sense of detail, and most certainly has the techincal skill required. | 20:52 |
| mdz | jdstrand: I'm pretty familiar with your extensive work on security updates, but am curious about what you've done with more general packaging, since there's a different set of issues there | 20:53 |
| soren | mdz: Hm... All sorts of things really. I can't remember sponsoring a whole lot of uploads for him, but we routinely discuss packaging issues and other techincal stuff. | 20:53 |
| kees | I've sponsored uploads of ufw. while it's not really part of larger existing subsystems yet, it's packaging, I think, is quite good. | 20:54 |
| Keybuk | "quite good" ? :-) | 20:54 |
| jdstrand | mdz: wrt Ubuntu, I work on ufw, auth-client-config and migrating apparmor profiles to packages. Some of the issues involved with apparmor can be seen in the wiki docoument: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApparmorProfileMigration | 20:54 |
| Keybuk | as mdz so wryly observed in Prague, that's British for "OMFG! STAY AWAY!" :p | 20:55 |
| kees | Keybuk: ah, oops. I'm en_US | 20:55 |
| kees | I mean it at face value. :) | 20:55 |
| kees | it's good, but not complex, packaging, is perhaps what I mean. | 20:56 |
| jdstrand | mdz: I am a big believer in Debian Policy, and while I don't have it memorized, I consult it frequently when packaging | 20:56 |
| mdz | jdstrand: you created that document, right? very nice | 20:56 |
| soren | For one thing, he has demonstrated knowledge of many of the not-quite-obvious details of Debian packaging, but more importantly he's never been afraid to ask, and seems to never have to ask the same question twice. | 20:56 |
| jdstrand | and if I have a question or idea, I am not hesitant to ask | 20:56 |
| jdstrand | mdz: I did-- thank you :) | 20:56 |
| pitti | I reviewed auth-client-config back then for MIR, and didn't find packaging issues | 20:56 |
| mdz | soren: do you have any examples of not-quite-obvious details in mind? | 20:56 |
| mathiaz | I'd like to add that I've worked with jdstrand on Apparmor profile upgrades for hardy - that involved some in-depth discussion about postinst upgrades. This works highlitghts the strength of jdstrand general packaging skill IMO. | 20:57 |
| mdz | pitti: thanks for your feedback. what sort of package features were used in it? | 20:57 |
| pitti | mdz: nothing really exciting; standard debhelper and control; pretty much the package you apt-get source, look at, and understand instantly :) | 20:58 |
| soren | mdz: I remember discussing maintainer scripts with Jamie on a few occasions, and have been positively surprised at his understanding of them. That seems to be a common stumbling point for lots of people. | 20:58 |
| pitti | (which is, well, good?) | 20:58 |
| mdz | it's basically debconfiscations + supporting bits, right? | 20:58 |
| pitti | auth-client-config uses nothing like that (maintscripts, debconf, etc.) | 20:58 |
| pitti | great ++ for running tests during build, and having tests at all | 20:59 |
| mdz | pitti: odd, it depends on debconf | 20:59 |
| zul | I think it also worth mentioning that jdstrand does alot of work on ubuntu-qa regression testing | 20:59 |
| pitti | ah, heh | 21:00 |
| mdz | Keybuk: any questions for jdstrand? | 21:00 |
| Keybuk | mdz: none, everything's covered | 21:01 |
| mdz | ok, that's plenty of feedback for me. calling for votes then | 21:01 |
| Keybuk | +1 | 21:01 |
| mdz | +1, loads of positive sponsor feedback and a strong track record of good quality work | 21:01 |
| mdz | jdstrand: congratulations and welcome | 21:02 |
| jdstrand | \o/ | 21:02 |
| soren | \o/ | 21:02 |
| kees | \o/ congratz jdstrand ! | 21:02 |
| mdz | one less thing for kees to do, I hope ;-) | 21:02 |
| jdstrand | mdz, Keybuk: thank you :) | 21:02 |
| zul | yay! | 21:02 |
| mdz | any other business for the meeting? we haven't had one in a while, and I'm a bit behind on email | 21:02 |
| jdstrand | kees, soren, mathiaz, zul: thanks for your support and great feedback all along :) | 21:02 |
| mdz | so if there are any pressing issues which I've overlooked, please raise them now | 21:03 |
| jdstrand | pitti: oh and that goes for you too! :) | 21:03 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: congratzzzz ! you deserve it :) | 21:03 |
| Keybuk | mdz: meeting time! | 21:03 |
| soren | jdstrand: You're welcome. Just keep doing what you're doing :) | 21:03 |
| pitti | jdstrand: thanks to your good work! welcome to core-dev | 21:03 |
| mdz | Keybuk: indeed | 21:03 |
| mdz | Keybuk: do you have a proposal in mind? | 21:03 |
| Keybuk | mdz: I propose 1400 UTC | 21:04 |
| Keybuk | on tuesday | 21:04 |
| mdz | difficult for the UTC-7 crowd | 21:05 |
| Keybuk | truer | 21:05 |
| mdz | but I'm a fan of handling more things by email anyway | 21:05 |
| mdz | e.g. pitti's micro version request recently | 21:05 |
| Keybuk | but both of our calendars have the "Californian Morning" pretty solid :p | 21:05 |
| Keybuk | and I don't think it would be bad to actually make the meeting time more flexible | 21:06 |
| Keybuk | e.g. one week we could opt to hold it later, or earlier | 21:06 |
| mdz | kees: you're representing the west side...do you think it would be seen as unfortunate if the meeting moved earlier? | 21:06 |
| kees | this meeting? | 21:06 |
| mdz | kees: yes, the bi-weekly TB meeting | 21:06 |
| mathiaz | mdz: FYI, the ubuntu server team considers moving its meeting to tuesday 15:00 UTC | 21:06 |
| mdz | not something which anyone from your time zone is required to attend, but something we want to keep open to participation | 21:07 |
| kees | that'd be 7am | 21:07 |
| kees | I don't think that's unreasonable. | 21:07 |
| slangasek | s/Californian/Oregon/, yo ;P | 21:07 |
| kees | props++ | 21:07 |
| mdz | and as Keybuk says, if someone wants to ensure that they can be here to discuss something with us, we can always adjust the time for a particular meeting | 21:07 |
| kees | yeah, it's not like it's 3am or anything. 7am is reasonable if some needs to discuss something live | 21:08 |
| mdz | if there are no objections, I'm fine with changing it, and if anyone shouts, we can discuss it further by email | 21:08 |
| mdz | forgiveness vs. permission and all that | 21:08 |
| mdz | ok, 1400 UTC it is | 21:08 |
| mdz | I'll notify ubuntu-devel-announce, ubuntu-news-team, etc. | 21:08 |
| mdz | ok, thanks everyone for participating | 21:09 |
| mdz | adjourned | 21:09 |
| lukehasnoname | Canonical should have an America regional office in Houston | 21:10 |
| Keybuk | lukehasnoname: it's in Lexington | 21:11 |
| lukehasnoname | KENTUCKY? | 21:11 |
| nixternal | Massachusetts | 21:11 |
| lukehasnoname | the state has a total population of 'hick' | 21:11 |
| lukehasnoname | oh | 21:11 |
| lukehasnoname | haha | 21:11 |
| lukehasnoname | couldn't stray too far from the pond, I guess | 21:11 |
| lukehasnoname | :) | 21:11 |
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| JanC | @schedule Brussels | 22:03 |
| ubottu | JanC: Schedule for Europe/Brussels: Current meeting: Community Council | 04 Jun 08:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 18:00: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 23:00: Server Team | 05 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu Team | 22:03 |
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| lukehasnoname | hm | 22:11 |
| ompaul | Seveas, who should be running this one? | 22:14 |
| Seveas | ompaul, hm? | 22:14 |
| Seveas | (just arrived home) | 22:15 |
| ompaul | ahh cc meeting should be in progress afik but ain't | 22:15 |
| JanC | according to the Fridge calendar & ubottu there is a meeting going on for 15 minutes now ツ | 22:15 |
| Burgundavia | yes, it is just about to start | 22:16 |
| mdke | evening, sorry I'm late | 22:16 |
| Burgundavia | MikeB said his meeting is running later than he expected | 22:16 |
| Burgundavia | so we need elmo, sabdfl and dholbach | 22:16 |
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| mdke | Burgundavia: difficult for us to have a meeting with just us two. How late is MikeB? | 22:22 |
| Burgundavia | he pinged me on gmail chat about 20 minutes and said it would be later than even his email said | 22:23 |
| Burgundavia | you were almost alone. The weather prevented me from flying today | 22:23 |
| mdke | i had a pretty late one at work, just arrived | 22:23 |
| mdke | do you know if the local team item was discussed at the last meeting? I believe it has been on the agenda at least since then | 22:24 |
| ompaul | mdke, they are up and running and handling memberships | 22:25 |
| mdke | ompaul: that's not the item I mean... i mean the agenda item | 22:26 |
| mdke | "LoCo teams as legal entities?" | 22:26 |
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| sbc | mdke: That was discussed last time. | 22:29 |
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| mdke | sbc: thanks, I'll have to check the logs then | 22:30 |
| Seveas | me too | 22:30 |
| sbc | mdke: We (the danish team) hope to show up at a comming meeting with a proposal for the CC, but we are not ready yet. | 22:31 |
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| mdke | sbc: ok | 22:33 |
| sbc | hopefully for next meeting. | 22:33 |
| mdke | sbc: I'll take the agenda item off for now then | 22:33 |
| sbc | mdke: Feel free to do so. For the record, who is supposed to clear the agenda after a meeting? | 22:37 |
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| mdke | sbc: we don't have a fixed rule | 22:38 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: I suggest we postpone the meeting. I don't have much time left now | 22:38 |
| sbc | ok - so I shouldn't feel bad? There is no tradition that it is the person who puts a item up there who is supposed to remove it again? | 22:38 |
| mdke | sbc: no, no problem | 22:39 |
| sbc | ok :) | 22:39 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 22:40 |
| mdke | ok. MEETING POSTPONED. Sorry to anyone who turned up hoping for a discussion :( | 22:40 |
| mdke | we'll rearrange the meeting as soon as possible | 22:40 |
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