/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/03/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Myrtti@btlogin00:07
* elky_work screams at fedora's rpmness00:31
Amaranthshould we make ganjaman change his nick?00:32
elky_worki dont think it's worth educating the rest of the channel to what it means00:34
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Seeker`lo01:24
tomawhi01:27
jribola01:29
Seeker`tomaw: are you as nocturnal as I am?01:34
tomawNah, I work 9-5, sleep a bit and then wake up01:34
Seeker`fair enough01:35
tomawat least during work days, I do01:35
Seeker`I only see you onlyine late at night01:35
tomawWho is Dave Walker?01:36
tomawah, Daviey01:37
tomawat least probably01:37
* nalioth knows Johnny Walker01:37
* mneptok knows the runs ...01:37
Seeker`tomaw: correct01:38
* tomaw felt a lot better after seveas blog post was countered by Daviey 01:38
tomawNot to say that freenode didn't break some +i channel modes, we certainly did, but it made me at least feel a lot better.01:39
Seeker`heh01:40
tomawAsking freenode staff to burn in a fire on a public blog doesn't really sit well with me, but it hardly changes the fact that work together :)01:43
tomawer, that we'd be better working together.01:45
Seeker`there are problems that need fixing01:45
tomawThis is a work night for me so I can't stick around until 7am, but by all means tell me what01:47
tomawif you need to resort to email then I am quite happy for that01:47
Seeker`I mean generically01:48
tomawSo, what generic problems?01:49
Seeker`I'm not directly involved in the staff / op "conflict" (for want of a better word), so I'm probably not going to be very good at describing the situation accurately01:49
tomawacknowledging that it exists, at least imo qualifies you to guess a bit :)01:50
tomawto be honest, I don't know how much of the bad feeling has survived seveas leaving01:52
tomawknowing that may be useful in itself.01:52
astro76CALEB_WELLEMEYER is spamming via PM upon entering #ubuntu, he's just been booted from #debian02:16
astro7621:09 -CALEB_WELLEMEYER(n=CJ@61.105.175.69)- astro76, R u sick and tired of being in chat rooms dat r boring,  not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room that is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well  #CALEBCOOLCHAT is the place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, CALEB  WELLEMEYER. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come to02:16
astro76 #ALEBC OOLCHAT today.02:16
Seeker`mneptok: ^02:17
mneptokstand by02:17
jribheh, excess flood02:17
bazhang_he just quit02:17
jribhe's back02:17
jriband gone again02:17
jriband back02:17
astro76cheers folks02:19
bazhang_and being 'mediatorized'02:19
elky_workhmm... want 2 finally join a chat room that scores 0% on a spelling quiz? (as though efnet isnt already full of them!)02:23
Seeker`elky_work: ?02:25
tomawhrm02:34
tomawfwiw, the spam quite spam quite guys are sometimes somewhat fixable by staff.02:35
tomawerm, quit*02:35
mneptokwhen you add a k: let us know :)02:36
Seeker`what sort of things should be reported to staff?02:36
tomawas I said a few nights ago, klining is not a magic bullet02:36
tomawin many cases if a user can avoid a ban they can avoid a kline.02:36
tonyyarussoHmm, anyone actually understand pulseaudio?02:37
elky_workexcept a single kline is like a ban in all channels02:37
elky_workit's one command compared to a game of chasey02:37
mneptokwhen you add a $method_for_keeping_user_off_ubuntu_channels let us know :D02:37
elky_workwhich is what we usually end up doing with the ones we ask for klines for02:38
tonyyarussoI'm trying to find a way to mute all other sounds when I have an incoming call in Ekiga.02:38
tomawelky_work: tbh if staff spot a guy being an idiot in  channel we will often follow him02:38
Seeker`how many people have actually been banned in #ubuntu*?02:38
elky_worktomaw: when we're busy chasing them through channels is usually when we get told we cant get help02:39
tonyyarussoSeeker`: thousands?02:39
mneptoktomaw: while you're following, we're keeping channels sane. so while any efforts are appreciated, sometimes Freenode's needs to jibe with Ubuntu's.02:39
Seeker`tonyyarusso: I mean banned in all channels02:39
Seeker`tonyyarusso: not the sum of each channel02:39
tonyyarussoSeeker`: oh.  {x|0<x<10} I'd guess02:40
elky_workalthough, someone really does need to invent /mode +b #namespace* bans.02:40
tomawmneptok: the reverse is also true :)02:40
Seeker`elky_work: see my suggestion on the irc mailing list02:40
tomawelky_work: For who, I must ask02:41
elky_workSeeker`: -enotwithemail02:41
elky_worktomaw: the ones end up chasing through every #ubuntu channel with more than about 10 people02:41
mneptoktomaw: except you brought it up, i didn't ;)02:41
elky_worktomaw: it's not uncommon to have idiots run through all the channels screaming rude things02:41
Seeker`elky_work: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2008-June/000470.html02:41
tomawelky_work: and you don't get decent help from staff who are around at the time?02:42
elky_worktomaw: i usually dont, given my timezone02:42
tomawelky_work: is that more that there are non available or that you don't get what you need from those that are?02:43
elky_worktomaw: a bit of both.02:43
elky_worktomaw: it's not like there's a smorgasboard of staff to choose from if one says no02:44
tomawelky_work: yeah, your timezone really isn't one we cover very well sadly02:44
elky_worktomaw: which is probably why hobbsee and i fall into the 'most bitter' category.02:45
bazhang_flip_543 (n=flip@174-105.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu same guy?02:45
macowellemeyer = spammer02:45
tomawelky_work: could you do me a big favour and copy help requests to me or poke me with channel names and that like as you're having problems?02:45
Seeker`-02:44:52- ~s~ ruiboon > (n=ruiboon@unaffiliated/ruiboon) has joined #ubuntu-irc02:45
Seeker`-02:46:12- :ruiboon : hi. could the ops check if Wellemeyer at #ubuntu should be ban, upon entering the channel, he/she pm a non-family friendly msg02:45
macohe's in #ubuntu02:45
mneptokmaco: wellemeyer = not on network02:46
macoyes he is02:46
macohe just PM'd me when i entered #ubuntu02:46
elky_worktomaw: will do so from now on02:46
mneptoktomaw: time to show your quality, sir02:46
mneptoktomaw: back with a new nock and hostmask02:46
maco21:43 <Wellemeyer> maco, R u sick and tired of being in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room that is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well  #CALEBCOOLCHAT is the place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, CALEB WELLEMEYER. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet  a new best friend, come to #CALEBCOOLCHAT today.02:46
mneptok*nick02:47
macosee?02:47
* mneptok waits02:47
Seeker`I get the message from him too02:48
bazhang_k-lined02:48
Dave2L-lined02:48
macoyay02:48
Dave2er, L-02:48
Dave2...K-02:48
Seeker`Dave2: you suck :P02:48
naliothM-lined02:48
Dave2quite :(02:48
mneptokKLM-lined? what, now i have to /connect Schilphol for c00l ch4t?02:49
elky_workwth is m-lined?02:49
Seeker`it may well be typo-lined02:50
elky_workah02:50
Seeker`followed by joke-about-typo-lined02:50
naliothelky_work: k, l, m, ( who's next? )02:50
mneptokelky_work: m: means you can connect and send /msg's to users and channels, but cannot use vowels.02:51
elky_workaha02:51
mneptok(popular on abu-gheidic networks)02:51
ubottuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (ubunguru)03:23
ubottuAgent_bob called the ops in #kubuntu (fatherTheresa1 needs help.)03:37
naliothon it03:38
naliothok then03:38
HobbseePici: no, he hasn't changed.  he's still fiddling with bugs without reading them (white found it last night)04:42
Hobbseegood work on declining him.04:42
elky_workis this who i think it is?04:47
* nickrud hopes they aren't talking about him _again_04:49
elky_workhaha04:50
elky_worknickrud: i *think* we're talking about kmos04:50
elky_workhobbsee's bestest friend04:51
nickrudhm, I think I'm gonna slide away a bit, avoid the pointy stick flailing around04:52
elky_workhehehe04:52
Hobbseeelky_work: yeah04:55
Hobbseeelky_work: that being said, seveas did a brilliant job in -1'ing, so hopefully he won't try to apply for another few months.04:56
Hobbseepity about the bugs, though04:56
elky_workheh04:58
* elky_work hunts for this morning's -meeting logs04:59
elky_workconsidering today has been wasted installing xp to test stupid ie issues... i think i can spend a few minutes laughing at this05:00
Hobbseeouchy.  no wine?05:00
tritiumnickrud: :)05:03
* elky_work notes the protesters may have shut up if they were linked to mark's email...05:05
elky_workHobbsee: wine and ie is substandard05:06
elky_workdoes not take into consideration windows application interactivity, and cannot provide genuine ie7 render engine  yet05:06
Hobbseeahh05:07
elky_workie, 'why does this pdf not open properly'05:07
elky_works/ie/eg/05:07
Hobbseeright, yeah.05:08
Hobbseefair enough05:09
Myrtti*blink*06:02
Myrttimoin06:02
elky_workmoin Myrtti bunny06:03
jussi01morning all06:04
Myrtti*yyyyyyyaaaawwwnn*06:04
Myrttierr.06:07
MyrttiI don't know how to take rodserlings line in offtopic06:07
ubottuIn ubottu, elky_work said: bunnies is z0mg! fluffy bunnies! Guaranteed to bring out the teenage girl in everyone: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Widget+Background:+Fluffy+Bunny+?content=7448006:08
elky_workoh bah06:09
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ubottuIn ubottu, elkbuntu said: bunnies is z0mg! fluffy bunnies! Guaranteed to bring out the teenage girl in everyone: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Widget+Background:+Fluffy+Bunny+?content=7448006:09
elkbuntuI HATE YOU UBOTTU06:09
Myrtti@login06:09
ubottuMyrtti: The operation succeeded.06:09
elkbuntu@login06:09
ubottuelkbuntu: The operation succeeded.06:09
elkbuntu:D06:09
elkbuntu!bunnies06:09
ubottubunnies is z0mg! fluffy bunnies! Guaranteed to bring out the teenage girl in everyone: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Widget+Background:+Fluffy+Bunny+?content=7448006:09
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Myrttihave fun06:10
Myrttisomeone make it a gdesklets/screenlets one too06:10
elky_workhehehe06:11
nickrudelky_work I hope you meant tweenage girls06:11
MyrttiI swear to gaia, I'm going to sew that little t-shirt with ubuntu logo for my guinea pig.06:12
Myrttijussi01: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/27/funny-pictures-jurassic-park-sequel-haz-lower-budget/06:12
ubottuIn ubottu, elky_work said: no, bunnies is z0mg! fluffy bunnies! Guaranteed to bring out the tweenage girl in everyone: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Widget+Background:+Fluffy+Bunny+?content=7448006:17
* elky_work stabs ubottu06:17
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elkbuntu@login06:17
ubottuelkbuntu: The operation succeeded.06:17
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* SportChick pets elky_work 06:50
ubottualan_m called the ops in #ubuntu (ewtjklas)07:12
Myrttithat was fun07:16
Myrttisomehow I get the feeling I've banned someone with "otg" as ident before07:19
Myrtti@btlogin07:19
tonyyarussoon-the-grass?  better have resident geezer ompaul shake a cane at them07:19
Myrttiand so it is07:20
Myrttion the grass?07:20
Myrttiis this something I should know?07:20
tonyyarussono07:20
tonyyarussothinking of things otg could be an acronym for07:20
tonyyarussowork with me here - I needed to make a geezer joke07:20
Myrtti2008-05-14T08:54:12 <otg> 跑俾阿07:21
Myrtti2008-05-23T10:22:49 <otg> 我是子於07:21
Myrtti2008-05-23T10:22:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nixternal07:21
MyrttiI have an idea of what that means07:21
Myrttibut I think we can safely assume that this is a repeat offender07:21
PriceChildYay evolution has decided it will download my all mail and spam folders this evening :D08:40
PriceChildi mean morning08:40
jussi01yay for 3g connectivity :D08:44
jussi01bit of lag, but not bad at all08:44
jussi01hrm, we have quite a few bans in here - do we really need them all?09:00
* jussi01 wonders where everyone is?09:04
bazhangapart from java user many could probably be cleared09:05
jussi01mind, like 4 of them are for naked goat09:06
PriceChildI don't see a ban on java user09:07
PriceChildif there was, i would suggest that should be one of the ones removed first due to its non-specificness09:08
bazhangonly the worst spammer in ubuntu space09:09
jussi01ok, got to go - see you all later09:14
Myrtti!prayer10:35
ubottuDear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so.10:35
Myrtti*sigh*10:36
PriceChildGood morning Myrtti.10:36
Myrtti♥ Pricey10:36
PriceChild:)10:36
PriceChildYou get up at a silly time btw.10:37
Myrttidumdidumdidum10:37
Myrttiat 8?10:37
PriceChildah, thought time went the other way10:37
Myrttihow's that silly? it's late10:37
PriceChildI'll let you off this time.10:37
Myrttishould wake up at 7, then it would be ok10:37
MyrttiI'm installing Windows XP to a VirtualBox >-|10:38
PriceChildjoy10:38
Myrttiperson refuses to do a 15 minute job and insists that I'll do it myself10:38
Myrttihave to install Visual Studio C# express too10:38
Myrttiof which, I know about as much as horses know about bicycles10:39
Myrtti"I'll show you how it's done"10:39
Myrttifcol. He has Visual Studio right there10:39
Myrttiknows how to do it...10:39
Myrttiatleast I managed to find my Windows XP installation CD which I've never used10:40
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Seeker`morning12:14
Myrttiseems like a quiet day12:15
PiciAll the hilights in my away log during the night were cursing in #ubuntu, fun.12:15
PriceChildI'm getting a bounce every our or so on ubuntu-irc :/12:42
PriceChild*hour12:42
Picihmm?12:43
PriceChild*unsubscribes the address*12:43
Picioh12:43
Picithat12:43
PiciI thought you mean the channel.12:44
Seeker`I thought that too12:44
PiciPsySine: Morning, how can we help you today?13:02
PsySinegood afternoon, is this the place to talk about locobots?13:03
PiciNot really, the locoteam channel or #ubuntu-irc would be the proper place.13:03
PsySineok, thanks13:04
Seeker`PsySine: is there anything else we can help you with?13:14
PsySinenope :)13:14
Seeker`PsySine: Please take note of the /topic13:18
HobbseePriceChild: going to prune again sometime?13:22
HobbseePriceChild: there clearly at least was a rat in here.13:22
Seeker`PsySine: hello again13:25
soundrayJack_Sparrow: what was jampy up to? (Just curious...)13:26
Jack_SparrowI think he was trying to disrupt.. but that command does not work here in freenode.13:27
Jack_SparrowI msg'd him to ask what he was up to when he ran off13:27
Picisoundray: Some people seem to think that we serve files here, !list is a common command to use on fserv-ing channels to see what software we offer.13:27
Jack_SparrowPici thanks for the proper description13:28
PiciJack_Sparrow: I've never seen it used for legitimate software distribution, if you get my drift13:28
Jack_SparrowAgreed13:28
soundrayI see, thanks... I'm only ever on freenode, and rarely on anything but ubuntu channels :)13:28
Myrttiit's not up to networks13:28
Jack_Sparrowsuch a sheltered life13:28
Myrttiit's up to clients and software used, I believe13:29
Myrttia trigger just like all the other clients have13:29
Myrttior bots13:29
PiciIndeedy, unless the network blocks certain types of ctcps13:29
Myrttiright now, I'm just so fed up with almost anything and everything, that I'm || this close to telling people to sod off faar faar away from my life13:30
HobbseeMyrtti: if you do end up killing them, hide the bodies well.13:31
Seeker`PsySine: Is there anything we can do to help you?13:31
Seeker`Myrtti: :(13:31
MyrttiHobbsee: I wouldn't mind getting jailed. Free holiday and all, away from these idiots13:31
HobbseeMyrtti: there are *more* crazy ones inside.13:32
MyrttiI don't usually get this frustrated over anything but the miserable state of my socila life13:32
Myrttibut now I just feel like I've had it13:32
* elky cuddles Myrtti tight.13:33
MyrttiI just had to check what I had in my competence profile under C#13:33
PsySineSeeker`: i'm trying to figure out the "scope" of this channel actually13:33
elkyMyrtti, 'goddess' right?13:34
elky:)13:34
Seeker`This is a channel for operators in #ubuntu channels to share information etc.13:34
MyrttiI've apparently been stupid enough to confess that I know jack **** about it, but am intrested in it. Apparently that translates into "oh, this person has windows xp, visual studio 2005 and knows bits and pieces of the damn thing, ie. can write a compiler of C# in C#"13:34
PsySineSeeker`: does that include the loco channels?13:35
Seeker`PsySine: to try to provide some sort of coordinated response against possible attacks / malicious users13:35
MyrttiPsySine: nope, that's for -irc13:35
Myrttimost of us are in -irc too as we are loco ops too13:35
Myrttiand I, for one, always report the most disruptive users to -irc so the loco channel ops know and are aware and can prepare themselves13:36
elkyPsySine, we keep team channels separate for sanity reasons13:36
* Hobbsee is already insane.13:36
MyrttiI'm a basket case13:36
Myrttibrrrlll.13:36
Myrtticome and take me away.'13:36
PsySineok thanks for the info :)13:37
Myrttitack för dig själv13:37
Myrttiusch13:37
PriceChildHobbsee: how do you mean?14:21
HobbseePriceChild: people leaking information outside of this channel, bringing us certain visitors.  extremely coincidental.14:22
HobbseePriceChild: of course, they could be using cron on logs.u.c, and grepping that way.14:22
PriceChildHobbsee: who are we referring to?14:22
PriceChildas in who have been the visitors, not who you think is in here14:22
HobbseePriceChild: i don't know who's here.14:23
HobbseePriceChild: and the visitor is $she_who_can_not_be_referred_to14:23
PriceChildah, just reading logs again14:23
Hobbseei'd meant to point it out a few days ago, but i forgot.14:23
* PriceChild does a /names14:24
PriceChildI don't think I'm worried about any of the geeks in here atm?14:24
PriceChildelky: still awake?14:24
HobbseePriceChild: well, it may well be a cron job.  and the times match up with that theory relatively well (as in, logs get published online at .01.14:25
PriceChildyep, it is an hourly cron on the hour14:25
Hobbseeand the entry was at .02 or .03 or so.14:25
PriceChildelky_work: still awake?14:25
Hobbseebut even so, as a general reminder,it may be a good time to clear it out again14:26
HobbseePriceChild: i doubt it, it's 11.30pm14:26
bazhangno ubuntu cloak yet? :)14:30
Seeker`glade88: how can we help you?14:33
glade88nothing. just finding a place to keep my head :)14:34
glade88@/ubuntu/member/glade8814:34
glade88oops..14:34
Seeker`this channel isn't for idling14:34
glade88i was told this was :(14:34
Hobbseeglade88: #ubuntu-irc allows idling.14:35
Hobbseeglade88: were you thinking of that one?14:35
glade88i guess14:35
glade88no actually. i had a doubt14:35
glade88i was told that we shall get a cloak..14:35
glade88shoud I fire this up at #ubuntu-irc ?14:36
Hobbseeoh, right, you want a cloak.  PriceChild can do that.14:36
glade88And when shall I ask him for the same?14:36
Piciglade88: What is your launchpad page?14:36
glade88https://launchpad.net/~sayakb14:37
glade88I guess I'm still not put up as an Ubuntu member.. we had a meeting last night (20:00 UTC)14:37
Piciglade88: Yeah, it takes a while.  Best to wait in #ubuntu-irc anyway.14:38
glade88okay.. I'll do that. Thank you14:38
bazhangthat was odd14:39
bazhangI just mentioned ubuntu  cloaks and he appeared14:40
Myrtti/me plays a sweet little creepy tune to bazhangs ear14:45
bazhangwas actually referring to Myrtti and Pici (congrats btw)14:46
Picibazhang: Thanks :)14:48
bazhangPici, none more deserving (other than Myrtti obviously) :)14:48
Pici:P14:48
bazhangsorry I missed the meeting; really wanted to be there but mis-calculated the time.14:49
Seeker`@schedule local-city14:49
Jack_SparrowTheme from Twilight Zone plays softly in the background14:49
ubottuSeeker`: Error: Unknown timezone: local-city - Full list: http://jussi01.com/web/timezones.html14:49
Seeker`bazhang: ^14:50
I_cannot_be_nameHobbsee: hi there14:52
PriceChildOh, I wonder who that was..14:53
HobbseePriceChild: not emma.14:53
ikoniawho knows....14:53
HobbseePriceChild: wrong hostmask.14:53
PriceChildikonia: do you know?14:53
ikoniano....it could be anyonwe14:53
PriceChildi don't know14:53
ikoniano....it could be anyone14:53
ikonia;)14:53
ikoniathe $_name ammused me14:53
Seeker`what is the command to list info about people connected from a host14:53
Hobbseeone of her trolls, no doubt.  and she says she has none, and also doesn't look at the log.14:54
HobbseeSeeker`: /who14:54
ikoniaHobbsee: it was me, I was giving you a quick troll14:54
PriceChildikonia: awwwwwwwwwww14:54
PriceChildspoilsport14:54
ikoniaI didn't fancy the rage of Hobbsee so thought it best to own up14:54
Hobbseeikonia: ahhh, of course.14:54
PriceChild/whois ftw14:54
Hobbseeikonia: i was getting there.  hte mattd looked familiar.14:54
Seeker`Hobbsee: /who 88-97-208-57.dsl.zen.co.uk ?14:54
HobbseeSeeker`: yeah14:54
Mezyay, zen customers.14:55
MyrttiI've got a autorealname14:55
ikoniathe only uk host to have14:55
Myrttiloooooooooseeeeerrrs14:55
Mezautorealname ?14:55
* Hobbsee attacks ikonia with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™14:55
Myrtti[16:52] *** I_cannot_be_name (Matt Darcy) [n=mattd@88-97-208-57.dsl.zen.co.uk]14:55
ikoniaHobbsee: that is what I feared14:55
Hobbsee[23:56] [Who] End of /WHO list for 88-97-208-57.dsl.zen.co.uk14:56
Hobbseestrange.14:56
Seeker`Myrtti: link to the script?14:56
ikoniaHobbsee: ?14:56
Seeker`ikonia: Be aren't too bad14:56
MyrttiSeeker`: fcol. irssi.org/scripts.14:56
Myrttiblast your mind out14:56
ikoniaSeeker`: yes, they are one I've heard positive reviews on, but it's area specific14:57
Myrtti:-P14:57
Seeker`ikonia: I connect at 14Mb/s14:57
Hobbseeah yes, you used a /whowas14:57
Myrttidumdidumdi14:57
Seeker`actually download at about 12Mb/s (1.5MB/s)14:57
Myrtti/me is going to do some grilled shrooms filled with cottage cheese and leeks, wrapped in bacon14:58
ikoniaSeeker`: clearly a solid connection in Bath14:58
Myrttidumdidumdi14:58
Seeker`Myrtti: make that cheddar/mozaralla, and it sounds really nice :P14:58
Myrttian old proverb (not that old actually, and from a finnish meat commercial) "Good food, better humor"14:58
MyrttiSeeker`: I was going to put blue cheese, but (LOL!) it was moldy14:59
Myrttiie. had the wrong kind of mold14:59
Seeker`I dont like blue cheese14:59
Myrttibluecheese mmmmmmm14:59
Seeker`ikonia: Their DNS is a bit rubbish though14:59
Myrtti@schedule helsinki14:59
ubottuMyrtti: Schedule for Europe/Helsinki: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | 04 Jun 00:00: Community Council | 04 Jun 09:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 19:00: LoCo Council | 05 Jun 00:00:  Server Team | 05 Jun 01:00: Kubuntu Team14:59
Myrttibazhang: ^15:00
Seeker`@schedule London15:00
ubottuSeeker`: Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day | 03 Jun 22:00: Community Council | 04 Jun 07:00: Platform Team | 04 Jun 17:00: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 22:00:  Server Team | 04 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu Team15:00
Seeker`can someone send me a PM?15:02
* Hobbsee attacks Seeker`15:02
* Hobbsee attacks Seeker` with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™, via PM15:02
bazhanghaha15:03
Seeker`thanks Hobbsee and Myrtti15:03
Seeker`autowhois ftw15:03
Myrttiit is cool15:04
Mezyay for my new business cards with GPG fingerprints on them. Will make life so much easier ;)15:14
MyrttiMez: excuse me, but LOL?15:14
MezMyrtti, why ?15:14
Myrttioh, nvm.15:15
Myrttiit's just so... geeky.15:15
Myrtti/me resists the urge to make the obvious question15:15
Mezwhich is?15:15
Myrtti"are you single" /me hides15:15
* Mez covers Myrtti with a blanket15:16
Mezout of sight, out of mind ;)15:16
Myrtti/me wails loudly here, too15:17
Mezyour /me's dont seem to be working (btw - /msg :P)15:17
MyrttiMez: you failed the n00b test.15:17
Mez?15:18
Myrtti[17:17] <+Mez> your /me's dont seem to be working15:18
Myrttifor all the time that I've been to freenode, they've not worked.15:18
MezMyrtti, then be evil and do them in a raw format ...15:19
Myrttiso, since you asked, you are hereby, pronounced as being a n00b, for asking.15:19
Mez/ctcp channel action does something15:19
Mezand I didn't ask, I pronounced15:19
Myrttiby me, yours truly.15:19
* Mez hides15:19
Myrttioh dear.15:19
* Mez runs15:19
Myrttisomeone is going to get spanked15:19
Myrttiby a big stick of doom15:19
MezI enjoy it - Hobbsee wubs me really15:19
Mezand she knows I enjoy it15:20
Myrttiwubs you mmmm :->15:20
* Hobbsee beats Mez15:20
Mezyay!15:20
Hobbsee...with mneptok15:20
Mez:(15:20
Mezno fun when someone else is enjoying it instead of me15:21
Hobbseedepends.  are either of you enjoying it?15:21
Mezmneptok probably is15:21
Hobbseebeing thumped into you?  yeah, he might be.15:22
MyrttiSICK BASTARDS15:22
MezHobbsee, he might be, but I wont15:23
* Mez steals the pointy stick15:23
Myrtti/me gives the fluffy pink pen instead15:24
Mezooh15:24
* Mez throws it at dartboard15:25
* Mez wonders if this shows as a /me15:25
Myrtti/me goes to turn the shrooms with bacon over15:25
* Mez tries not to think the wrong thing15:26
HobbseeMez: you can't steal the pointy stick.15:26
MezHobbsee, why not?15:26
Hobbseebecause.15:27
* wgrant throws Hobbsee at Mez. And vice-versa.15:27
Hobbseeit is imposible to steal15:28
MezHobbsee, not the one of doom, just the pointy stick15:28
* Hobbsee defenestrates wgrant15:28
Myrtti,mmmmmm15:28
Myrttibacon and shrooms15:28
* Mez tries not to choke on coke15:28
wgrantshrooms and coke, eh?15:29
* Seeker` makes sure he hasnt wondered in to #ubuntu-druggies15:30
Mezwgrant, Myrtti knows why15:30
Mezand by Coke, I meant Coca Cola (in a can in front of me)15:30
wgrantEven worse!15:30
* Mez wonders who wgrant is15:31
* wgrant was Fujitsu15:31
* Mez slaps jpds 15:31
Mezyou started the darn nickname exodus :(15:31
Meznow I've got to remember who's who15:31
wgrantI did it before him.15:31
Myrtti/nick Marmelade15:33
Mez/nick Chris15:33
Hobbseeit's an imposter.15:34
MyrttiI bet it's possible to cultivate cubic mushrooms.15:38
ikonia /nick car stereo15:38
Myrttilol15:39
Myrttiimagine the possibilities15:39
Myrttiof CUBIC SHROOMS!15:39
Myrttithis idea (c) Miia Ranta15:40
Myrttino but really15:40
MyrttiI hate doing the grilled shrooms with bacon15:40
Myrttithere's no way of doing the bacon evenly from all sides15:40
Myrttithe damned things roll over by themselves15:40
MezMyrtti, I'm going to choke...15:40
Myrttiif they only were cubic.15:41
Myrttihttp://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2547696625/15:43
Myrttiomnomnomnom15:43
ubottuIn #kubuntu, helpy said: ubottu there is an option in kubuntu under desktop effects15:53
Seeker`Myrtti: any other useful scripts you use?16:15
Myrtti/me checks16:16
Myrtticalc, noisyquery, trackbar, active_notify, dns16:17
Pici♥ dictcomplete16:18
Myrttithough, I can't remember what active_notify is16:18
Myrttithere seems to be some bitlbee leftovers in my scripts directory16:19
ikoniaMyrtti: pings you in the main window based on your notify list16:19
Myrttiah, true16:19
ikoniaregular as clockwork, ping from bashoIII on exit16:54
ikoniait's obviously some sort of script16:55
Myrttiyou're getting pings?16:57
Myrttiweird16:57
* Seeker` doesn't get them16:58
ikoniamost of the time he leaves I get a ping from him, just the one16:58
Seeker`has anyone ever seen BashoIII speak?16:58
ikoniano16:58
Myrttino?16:58
Myrttihe's in #xubuntu too16:58
Myrttidoes anyone know anyone who can Japanese?16:59
ikoniaMyrtti: has he just left #xubuntu too16:59
Myrttiit'd be funky to know what does his quit message mean16:59
Myrttiikonia: well, it was a /quit, not /part16:59
ikonia"I'm going now, enjoy my ping"16:59
Seeker`ikonia: what channel was it?17:00
ikoniawell he was in #ubuntu at the time17:00
Myrtti#ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #xubuntu17:00
Myrttiprivate, personal ping17:00
ikoniaSeeker`: as he parted though irssi reported a ping requrest from him17:00
ikonianot in the channel, but it was as he left the channel17:00
* Hobbsee shakes her head17:01
Seeker`ikonia: his quit message is part of a poem17:05
ikoniahow do you know that ?17:05
Seeker`:D17:05
Picihmm?17:05
ikonia(now I'm interested)17:05
Seeker`I is clever17:05
Seeker`and I have a housemate that grew up in Japan17:06
Myrttiaww17:06
ikoniaI was just typing that17:06
Myrttiwell atleast its not profane17:06
ikoniaI wondered if you had a jap student sat next to you17:06
PiciSeeker`: I've seen BashoIII speak in #ubuntu-meeting once17:06
Myrtti:-o17:06
Myrttireally?17:06
PiciI remember looking because someone asked me if he was a bot.17:06
ikoniayou are hounoured17:07
ikoniahonoured17:07
Seeker`apparently it is about a guy in prison that dreams about a bird flying in the open sky, and then when he is released he sees the bird from his dreams, and comments about how it is better to see it in real life than in the dream17:07
Seeker`or something similar17:07
ikoniaSeeker`: check out you the philosipher17:07
Seeker`ikonia: thats my housemates translation17:07
ikoniaall a bit out there17:08
Seeker`"so it means it is much better to see real images and real people than imaginary beauty"17:12
Myrttithat's sad ;__;17:12
Myrttireminds me of... irc17:12
ikoniayour going to have problems with poopuser17:13
ikoniahe's been a regular pain every time he's in17:13
Myrtti/me watches17:13
Seeker`Myrtti: what was h2d doing?17:21
ikoniaheads up #ubuntu spam17:21
ikonianudges at Tobi-pc17:22
Seeker`that link is a "get x people to click to get this ipod"17:22
ikoniaahh pici is awake17:22
Myrtti[19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - AVERSIONA17:23
Myrtti[19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - ATIMEA17:23
Myrtti[19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - APING 1212499145A17:23
Myrtti[19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - AFINGERA17:23
Myrtti[19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - u sux bot :)17:23
ikoniagreat17:23
Seeker`tobi-pc is still sending it by the looks of it17:24
ikoniatobi-pc still causing issues in #ubuntu17:24
Picistupid floodbots17:24
ikoniaSeeker`: 0.1 seconds ahead of me17:24
Seeker`ikonia: did you click on the link?17:24
ikoniano17:24
ikoniawon't give people the satisfaction17:24
ikoniafrom your report I assumed you had17:24
PiciI did.17:25
PiciI think its one of those free ipod things17:25
Seeker`yeah, I saw something like "20 clicks ipod nano, 100 click ipod touch" and then a banner started scrolling in front of the page17:25
Hobbsee[02:27] --> Surfer33 has joined this channel (n=javachat@cpe-74-71-143-151.twcny.res.rr.com).17:28
Hobbsee[02:27] * Surfer33 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks)17:28
Hobbsee[02:27] *** Surfer33 sets the channel topic to "-=[ www.WHAK.com ]=- Make Free/Fun Graphics Online At http://www.ImageGenerator.org =)".17:28
Hobbsee[02:27] <-- Surfer33 has left this server (Client Quit).17:28
Piciagain?17:28
Seeker`which channel is that?17:28
Pici-devel17:28
Hobbsee-devel17:28
Seeker`Ipods4free17:33
Seeker`in #u17:33
Seeker`not done anything yet, but probably worth keeping an eye on17:34
Seeker`Just started advertising17:34
ikoniaIpods4free17:35
ikoniain #ubuntu17:35
ikoniaspamming17:35
Seeker`ikonia: old news :P17:35
ikoniaoooh17:35
ikoniaI'm so lasst week17:35
ubottuIn #ubuntu, gordonjcp said: !ops Ipods4free is spamming17:35
ikoniadamn17:35
ikoniajust seen you17:35
ikoniaI appear to be lagging17:35
Seeker`or you are slpw in your old age :P17:36
ikoniamore likley17:36
ikoniaa combination of both would be fatal17:36
Seeker`my connection has between 0.5 and 1 seconds of lag, meaning that I cant see what I am tryping in real time17:36
ikoniamine is normally great, but it does have a few issues17:37
ikoniaI'm from work to my machine at home17:37
ikoniaso thats where the lag normally is17:37
ikoniamy machine at home to irc = great17:37
Seeker`I have a shell on someone elses computer17:37
ikoniaI have a few dotted around the place to annoy hobbsee17:38
Seeker`heh17:38
* Hobbsee has more than a few17:38
MyrttiI've got plenty too17:38
* Hobbsee pokes ikonia with the very pointy end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™17:38
cannot_be_namedhello Hobbsee17:38
ikoniasee17:38
Seeker`lo ikonia17:38
Hobbseeaww, no more ops in here.17:39
Pici(* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *)17:39
HobbseeGary: is finally safe17:39
ikoniaHobbsee: I'm sorry, just made me laugh17:39
ikoniayou made my chuckle earlier17:39
ikonias/my/me17:39
ikoniaI'll stop teasing17:39
Hobbsee;017:39
Myrttimeh, I should blog17:39
ikoniaelky's blog has been quiet of late17:39
Myrttifor understandable reasons17:40
* ikonia backs away 17:40
* Hobbsee almost never blogs.17:40
Seeker`ditto17:40
Hobbseealthough i did convert mine over.17:40
* Mez does when he remembers and has something to say17:40
Hobbseeso i need to change the feed, and flood planet.17:40
MezI go through a spurt of blogging, then forget to for months17:41
ikoniaI had some things I wanted to document but my wordpress blog is having issues17:41
* ikonia taps up mez for php suport17:41
* ikonia support17:41
* Mez is going home in 20 mins ikonia 17:41
ikoniaMez: I assume you it would take more than 20 minutes !17:42
MyrttiI can't find a good theme for my wordpress17:42
ikoniaI made mine :)17:42
ikoniahence why it's borked17:42
MyrttiI modified mine17:42
Mezikonia, sorry then ;) cant help right now ;)17:42
* Mez yawns17:42
Mezplus you're not a customer ;)17:42
ikoniaMez: I'm only kidding17:42
ikoniaMez: I am actually17:43
ikoniaMez: I have 2 licenses17:43
Mezikonia, damn.17:43
ikoniatouche'17:43
ikoniaalhtough I doubt they entitle resources to fix my blog17:43
Mezikonia, is it a vB Blog ?17:44
ikoniano, wordpress17:44
ikoniahence my doubts17:44
ikoniahi, I've puchased VB, could someone please fix wordpress for me17:44
ikoniaI don't think that will go down well as a business case17:44
PicivB makes blogs?17:46
ikoniathere is a plugin I think17:46
Seeker`did anyone see poopusers last comment17:47
Piciuh17:48
ikonianot again17:48
PiciYes, I was wondering about it17:48
Seeker`inappropriate imo17:48
ikoniahe's just a pain17:48
ikoniapersistant pain17:49
Piciikonia: I'd just ignore him... well , not /ignore, but ignore.17:50
Mez<ikonia> hi, I've puchased VB, could someone please fix wordpress for me <-- You'd be surprised how often we see that17:50
ikoniaPici: I know what you mean17:50
MezPici, http://www.vbulletin.com/features_blog.php17:50
ikoniaMez: maybe it is worth logging a support call then ;)17:51
Mezikonia, lmao - maybe - espesically if you havent paid for phone support and ring the sales number17:51
Myrtti"ring ring is this vbulletin offices, I'd like to ..." oh dear17:51
* Mez nods17:51
Myrttinevermind17:51
MezMyrtti, we dont give out the office number ;) (cept in whois)17:51
Myrtti/me forgets the idea immediately17:51
Mezor the business cards17:52
Pici"ring ring ring ring ring, bananaphone"17:52
Myrttitalking of business cards, I should be getting mine soon17:52
MezBut that all goes to our business manager. We all have IP Phones (cept me atm)17:52
Myrtti"Nomovok - software developer"17:52
PiciMyrtti: Ubuntu'd?17:52
MyrttiI liked my COSS cards.17:52
Myrtti"COSS - Miia Ranta - communities"17:53
Myrttiwith a green penguin17:53
Mezget some Ubuntu business cards ;)17:53
MyrttiI might17:54
PiciThe card design on the site isnt to my liking though... I'd have to move things a round a little bit17:54
MezPici, whats wrong with the design?17:54
Seeker`@btlogin17:54
Mezand to be fair - it's a free format - change it how you want17:54
Myrtti"lets redesign them with LaTeX"17:55
Seeker`Xorothal: You are banned because you sent a CTCP version to the channel17:55
Xorothaloh17:55
Seeker`or, thats what it seems to be anyway17:55
Xorothalsorry?17:56
PiciXorothal: Do you  understand why we ban that sort of thing?17:56
Seeker`looking at the logs17:56
Xorothalyes17:56
Seeker`Pici: can you confirm?17:56
Xorothalsorry guys17:56
PiciSeeker`: I can17:56
PiciXorothal: Just be careful in the future, okay?17:56
Xorothalok, sry17:57
MyrttiI confirm with /lastlog17:57
PiciXorothal: You may rejoin #ubuntu17:57
Xorothalthanks17:57
Myrtti/me wonders if she has chocolate17:58
ubottuIn #ubuntu-bots, Flare183 said: !nickspam ~= /ubotu/FlareBot/18:04
tim1join #ubuntu18:04
naliothtim1: can we help you?18:05
Myrtti@btlogin18:05
Myrttisorry tim1, ompaul hasn't been online all day18:06
MyrttiI'll tell him you missed him though, when he comes back.18:06
tim1ok ill be here is he dose turn up18:06
naliothtim1: have you read the /topic ?18:07
naliothtim1: there is an irc command called "notify", you know  :)18:07
tim1lots od idle ppl18:08
tim1how notify ?18:08
Myrtti@now utc18:08
ubottuMyrtti: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 03 2008, 17:10:07 - Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day18:08
tim1@now utc18:08
ubottutim1: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 03 2008, 17:10:34 - Current meeting: Bugs for Hugs Day18:08
tim1:)18:08
Myrttitim1: he'll know that he's been missed, you can leave now18:09
tim1ohh18:10
Myrtti(put a message to ompaul in memoserv)18:10
naliothor /help notify perhaps18:12
Myrttinalioth: I don't trust normal users patience to read those or to put /notifys on18:12
nalioth /me will keep suggesting and one day one user will benefit18:16
naliothisn't that what it's all about?  :018:16
Garyit is nalioth :-)18:25
Piciit is Gary18:25
Myrttiohnoes18:25
Garywoo, i'm safe from Hobbsee18:27
Seeker`:O tis an ompaul18:55
Myrttiompaul: did you get the memo18:55
ompaulMyrtti, not as yeat18:55
ompaulstilllllll lagged18:55
Myrttioh dear18:56
Myrttimy friend, you need an irssi.18:56
Piciompaul: We're putting new cover sheets on the TPS reports18:56
Myrttior some other method of connecting18:56
ompaulMyrtti, na it is the quantity of connections I make18:57
ompaulit will always lag until it won't :-)18:57
ompaulPici, ?18:57
Myrttiompaul: if you had your connection on, it wouldn't lag as you make them18:57
ompaulMyrtti, that would involve spending money on power I don't have to ;-)18:57
Seeker`ompaul: but irssi rocks!18:58
Myrttiwould you like a myrtti.fi addy :-P18:58
Seeker`especailly 24/7 irssi18:58
Seeker`as long as the sheel doesn't lag, that is18:58
ompaulMyrtti, I won't even run my connection from my own vm18:58
ompaul;-)18:58
Myrttithat many?18:58
PiciJack_Sparrow: I'd concider roms within the questionably legal category....18:59
ompaulMyrtti, yeap - I suppose I could move from one to another but it would mean all sorts of nasty movingings back and forth18:59
Jack_SparrowUnderstood.. the link has pulled the ones showing as copywrited19:00
Jack_Sparrow1000's are in freeware19:00
Myrtti*sigh*19:00
Seeker`Myrtti: what is wrong?19:01
Myrttiapart from a mild headache, boredom and uneasy feeling about work stuff, nothing new (as the old is all the same jazz)19:02
Myrttianyone else following the windows discussion at -ot?19:09
Myrttiall for the removing freez, say aye19:09
Picinalioth: around?19:12
PiciIf so, could you mute one of the bots in #ubuntu-bugs ?19:13
naliothwe really need to designate a bot wrangler19:14
Myrtti/me considers raising her hand19:15
* ompaul raises Myrtti's hand19:16
MyrttiIt looks like I've just volunteered?19:17
ompaulMyrtti, congrats ;-)19:21
ompaulMyrtti, that ban has been removed - however I will be looking on19:27
Myrttiok19:27
MyrttiI was kind of thinking it might19:28
MyrttiI would've done it myself but wanted your opinion first19:28
ompaulI told him 24 hours19:28
ompaulor so19:28
Myrtti20ish19:28
Myrtticool19:28
ompaulno more messing19:28
Seeker`nalioth: "bot wrangler"?19:32
naliothSeeker`: someone to keep track of which bots are in what channels19:33
naliothSeeker`: a "load balancer" of sorts19:33
Seeker`Which bots would they be responsible for? floodbots and ubotu clones?19:34
nalioth"which channels need advanced features, and which channels just need a factoid bot" and that sort of thing19:34
naliothjust ubotu clones19:34
Seeker`I'd be willing to give that a go19:35
ompaulteam wrangler19:35
Seeker`if someone can give me a hand working out the situation at the mment19:35
PiciPerhaps a wikipage would be a good place to put this kind of stuff19:38
naliothperhaps it would19:40
naliothMyrtti: you and Seeker` want to be "Team Bot Wrangler" ?19:41
Myrttisure19:41
Myrttiwould https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Infobots be ok?19:42
naliothMyrtti: Seeker`: do y'all get server notices?19:44
MyrttiI think so, how do I check it?19:44
naliothi just invited y'all19:45
Myrttioh right19:45
MyrttiI don't have autojoin on19:45
Seeker`nalioth: I'm already in the channel :)19:45
=== gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak
ubottuIn ubottu, alsadi said: ubuntu is the best linux distro20:58
ubottuSeeker` called the ops in #ubuntu (ZzxXxzZ)21:03
Myrttinighteys folks21:32
Seeker`nn21:35
ompaulnight Myrtti21:35
=== ubuntu-l1ptop is now known as ubuntu-laptop
=== gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak
gnomefreakare there plans to revist the agenda from last meeting or are we clear of that for tonight?21:52
=== ubuntu-laptop is now known as gnomefreak
PriceChildIs the bot right?21:59
Seeker`?21:59
PriceChildit is21:59
PriceChildnevermind21:59
Seeker`@btlogin22:00
ompaulgnomefreak, on the agenda tonight are two items that is all, neither of them directly relate to IRC22:01
ompaulmneptok, hey you about?22:01
ompaulthe correct answer is No ompaul I am mneptok but I suspect that the impetus for that gag is gone now22:03
ompaulJack_Sparrow, having problems?22:09
Seeker`Jack_Sparrow: why did you ban him?22:09
Jack_SparrowI first asked him to let us handle it and unmuted him22:10
Jack_Sparrowthen he called me hitlar  etc.. so I banned him22:10
Jack_Sparrowhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/16681/ is the log22:12
Seeker`heh, cant even spell Hitler22:15
Jack_Sparrowhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/16683/22:16
disciplewhat shall we discuss?22:17
Jack_Sparrowseeker, be my guest22:17
Seeker`disciple: Why do you think you were banned from #ubuntu?22:18
Jack_Sparrowdisciple Yo seem to think I am being unreasonable.. So please make your case22:18
ompauldisciple, you don't get the ban into a mode of retract should you fail to interact ... wow that was forced ;-) dude your call anyway22:20
discipleSeeker`: because of a private comment to jack sparrow that triggered an ego defense mechanism22:21
ompaulrubbish you don't go around calling people one of the last centuries mass murderers22:22
Seeker`disciple: do you feel that the comments you made are suitable?22:22
discipleSeeker`: I feel that they had nothing to do with the channel considering they were private22:22
ompaulbut aside from that22:22
ompaulwhy were you muted in #ubuntu22:23
Seeker`disciple: they were triggerd by events in the channel, were they not22:23
disciple14:0522:23
disciple(02:05:29 PM) Jack_Sparrow: please let us handle it22:23
disciple(02:07:25 PM) disciple: handle what22:23
disciple(02:07:55 PM) disciple: ok pumpkin king22:23
disciple(02:08:00 PM) disciple: handle your biz22:23
ompaulhe can come back22:23
Seeker`yeah22:24
Jack_SparrowHe was unmuted within seconds.... and not banned until his attacks..22:24
Seeker`disciple: welcome back22:24
discipleSeeker`: that's the whole story22:24
ompauldude your client needs a lesson22:24
disciplehuh?22:24
ompaul* disciple has quit (Excess Flood)22:24
discipledid I go somwhere?22:24
ompaul<disciple> (02:08:00 PM) disciple: handle your biz22:24
ompaulthen the quit22:24
Seeker`disciple: use pastebin if you want to pate the log22:25
Seeker`!pastebin22:25
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)22:25
disciplewho wants it ill just im it22:25
discipleim not downloading crap22:25
Seeker`disciple: you dont have to download naytihng, it is a website22:25
Jack_Sparrowhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/16683/22:25
Seeker`disciple: why do you think you were muted?22:25
disciplewell I don't have enough sys resources to open browser at this time22:26
discipleI was muted because I was reccomending an alternative solution that jack didn't like22:26
Seeker`disciple: I belive that he muted you after your comment about policing the channel22:27
discipleokay22:27
Seeker`disciple: And he only muted you so that he had enough time to tell you that people were sorting something, and you were unmuted very quickly afterwards22:27
disciplethat had nothing to do with jack22:27
disciplethat was some guy telling me im off topic when I wasnt22:27
disciplehe was annoying me22:28
discipleand flooding the channel with false offtopic accusations22:28
Seeker`disciple: who was telling you that you were offtopic22:28
discipletoo much time to search the log22:29
discipleyou go look22:29
Seeker`I'm looking, and I cant see it at the moment22:30
disciplelook for off topic22:30
naliothdisciple: you were asked several times to restrain yourself22:30
disciplefrom what?22:30
naliothfrom whatever you were doing that was disruptive22:30
discipleI was reccomending that people get hardware that is supported22:30
disciplethat's disruptive?22:30
disciple???22:31
naliothdisciple: it's all about attitude22:31
disciplewhere is the rules that define what attitude you should have22:32
nalioth!guidelines22:32
ubottuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines22:32
discipleI know22:32
Seeker`disciple: you were muted for 2 minutes, and then Jack_Sparrow removed the mute, and you were free to talk in the channel again22:32
disciplethen he bootedme because of a private comment22:33
disciplethat was unrelated to the channel22:33
Seeker`ddo you feel that it is acceptable behaviour to compare someone to Hitler? In public or in private22:33
discipleyes22:33
ompauldisciple, we are not here to take grief from people ... perhaps that thought had that not occurred to you?22:34
discipleif someone has the qualities exhibited by abuse of authority22:34
disciplewhich has been exhibited22:34
discipleit is acceptable22:34
Seeker`I'm afraid that it is not the sort of attitude that is appropriate for #ubuntu22:34
ompauldisciple, wrong you then tell them what they did wrong, you don't call them hitler that is not acceptable22:34
disciplehad he been the leader of a country instead of a chat what would be done with for simply speaking in an undisruptive way22:34
discipleall I did was recommend people get supported hardware22:35
discipleI was muted22:35
disciplethen took it up in private22:35
ompaulyou wanted a discussion that is offtopic22:35
discipleand booted for personal reasons22:35
Seeker`you were also unmuted 2 minutes later22:35
ompaulna22:35
disciplethat is not offtopic22:35
ompauldisciple, ehh let me quote you just a moment22:36
discipletalking about ubuntu supported hardware is offtopic?22:36
ompaul<disciple> Jack_Sparrow: im settled22:36
ompaul<disciple> im just saying don't support companies with proprietary drivers that won't share with the open source community22:36
ompaul<disciple> duhh22:36
ompaul<disciple> would you quit trying to police the room and join in a conversatiojn22:36
disciplehow is that off topic22:36
ompaulyou were asked to drop it that is not a conversation location22:36
ompaulit is strictly a support channel22:37
discipleyeah22:37
ompauland issues are not core to it22:37
ompauland that is an issue22:37
discipleso wouldn't it be on topic to tell people to get SUPPORTED hardware in a SUPPORT channel22:37
ompaulI should know I am a bit more extreme than most when it comes to binary blobs22:37
ompaulI abhor them more than most22:37
disciplebinary blobs?22:38
ompaulyou were talking about what you called "closed source drivers"22:38
ompaulI would call non free software22:38
discipleso wouldn't it be on topic to tell people to get SUPPORTED hardware in a SUPPORT channel? yes or no?22:38
naliothdisciple: we're not here for hypotheticals22:38
discipleits not hypothetical22:38
discipleit happened22:38
PriceChilddisciple: our guidelines have a "when helping, be helpful" clause if i'm not mistaken22:38
discipleits reality sunny22:38
ompaulehh you are diverting the point from your main point which was22:39
discipleplease answer22:39
discipleso wouldn't it be on topic to tell people to get SUPPORTED hardware in a SUPPORT channel22:39
ompaul<ompaul> <disciple> would you quit trying to police the room and join in a conversatiojn22:39
PriceChilddisciple: sure, inform them of manufacturers which produce more foss friendly hardware, but please be helpful with their real issue22:39
nickruddisciple, seems that's going to chase people off, rather than help. So I'd say no22:39
discipleok whatever22:39
Jack_Sparrowdisciple Telling people to go buy a new laptop is not productive22:39
nickruddisciple, unless you change that to 'suggest' rather than tell22:39
discipleif you don't realize your censorship and how it compares to the riech then you need to read history22:40
nickrudgodwin!!!!22:40
Jack_Sparrowdisciple FYI for the record I did have a word with the other half of that discussion as it were.22:40
Jack_SparrowOh boy another pm from him22:41
Jack_SparrowThanks for handling that...22:42
nalioth!guidelines disciple22:42
ubottunalioth: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:42
nalioth<sigh>22:42
naliothdisciple: please read the guidelines22:42
ompaulJack_Sparrow, mutes are mutes not bans ;-) read that again22:43
ompaul!guidlines | disciple22:43
ubottuFactoid guidlines not found22:43
ompaul!guidelines | disciple22:43
ubottudisciple: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines22:43
ompaulthe evening of the typo22:43
Jack_SparrowI first muted, unmuted  then later banned right.. or did I not get it right22:44
ompaulJack_Sparrow, see pm22:45
ompaulohh no Pici left the factory22:45
ompaulthat is nearly topic material22:46
naliothanyone get flooded?22:46
ompaulnalioth, na he trys and the client is rubbish it can't handle anything22:47
Seeker`nalioth: not as far as I know22:47
naliothompaul: ah22:47
naliothdisciple: is there anything more we can help you with?22:47
ompaulnalioth, or more to the point it is acting like mirc or something22:47
ompaulnalioth, he is muted .......22:47
naliothdisciple: if not, plesae see the /topic22:47
* ompaul unties nalioth's fingers :)22:48
* ompaul runs22:48
discipleyt?22:50
Seeker`hi22:51
discipleSeeker`: you here me?22:51
Seeker`yes22:51
disciplecan you unban me please22:51
discipleI need help22:51
Seeker`I am unable to unban people from #ubuntu22:52
disciplewhy22:52
Seeker`because I do not have the required access in there22:52
discipleoh22:52
disciplepull some strings22:52
disciplebrb22:52
naliothperhaps you should have thought of this before you ignored all those requests to modify your behaviour, disciple22:52
Seeker`nalioth: when do you want to tell him to come back?22:52
naliothmost bans expire within a day, Seeker`22:53
Seeker`is this going to be one of those?22:54
naliothit is up to JS22:54
ompauland he ain't about atm22:55
discipleback22:56
disciplewell tell him to unban me22:56
Seeker`disciple: he wont be told to unban you22:56
disciplefine ill just ask here22:56
Seeker`disciple: It is his choice when to unban you22:56
naliothdisciple: you may return tomorrow about this time22:56
discipleso I am using synaptic22:57
discipleI added 2 packages22:57
Seeker`disciple: Doing this will only make your ban last longer22:57
discipleand the spinny hourglass things been going for about an hour22:57
discipleany way to shock it back to life22:57
discipledoing what?22:57
Seeker`disciple: ASking questions like that in here22:57
Seeker`disciple: I suggest that you leave this channel now and come back in 24 hours, like nalioth suggested22:58
Seeker`nalioth: can you unmute him for a second?22:58
discipleSeeker`: like it matters ill just come back with a new nic and ip22:59
Seeker`disciple: doing things like that will just make things worse for you. Seriously, the best thing you can do for now is to come back in 24 hours22:59
discipleyou won't even know its me how can it make it worse?23:00
Seeker`well, we know what question you need a solution to23:00
disciplejust pm me and help me please23:00
discipleand ill leave23:00
ompauldisciple, not open to discussion23:01
ompaulreally it is not23:01
disciplewhat isn't?23:01
nalioththis isn't going anywhere.23:01
discipleI want help with my computer23:01
disciplepm me someone23:01
naliothdisciple: see above23:02
naliothand good day23:02
Seeker`*sigh*23:03
Seeker`"cumface" in ubuntu23:22
Seeker`gone23:23
PriceChildSeeker`: pfft doesn't matter23:24
* elky_work raises an eyebrow23:31
PriceChildelky_work: got a little?23:32
elky_workgot a little what?23:35
Seeker`time I suspect23:35
PriceChildtime, 5-10 mins?23:35
elky_worksure23:35
PriceChildCool.23:35
elky_workstarting when?23:36
PriceChildI would like the council to vote on whether we should ask freenode for founders access to #xubuntu and #xubuntu-offtopic back. (not concerned with their -devel) My backing... I think it is firmly established that he took control from us without our permission. I don't feel comfortable with him managing those channels, what with him removing important access after being told to by some other unnamed person.23:38
PriceChildnalioth: *ping*23:38
elky_workPriceChild: agree. i'd also like to know how he got the access, since that person has done a very much Bad Thing.23:39
PriceChildtm23:39
elky_worktm?23:39
Seeker`23:39
elky_workah23:39
PriceChildvery bad thing ™23:39
PriceChildthankyou Seeker`  :)23:39
Seeker`PriceChild: not a problem :)23:39
PriceChildTis a shame LjL seems to be inactive for some time, he has been poked about things, incase anyone is worried he is being left out.23:40
MezPriceChild, I'd be interested in how he took the channels23:40
Seeker`ditto23:40
elky_worki think it's something the irc council at minimum deserves to know23:41
Mezelky_work, It was either a bad staff member, or he could have used the channel password to identify as founder?23:41
elky_workMez: which is why we need to know which it was23:41
Mezbut if it was a straff member23:42
Seeker`will staff have records of that?23:42
Mezhes unlikely to reveal who23:42
MezPriceChild, indeed it is23:42
Mezactually, is there a chanserv log to see?23:42
PriceChildSeeker`: Mez: I will get back to you on that.23:42
elky_workthat would be something only staff can see23:42
elky_workit's just a matter of if the reason ever leaves staff circles23:43
Seeker`the individual staff member that did it may be unlikely to reveal it (if it was staff), but if you ask a different staff member23:43
Mezelky_work, but at least they should be interested in finding out too23:43
PriceChildthat's if the logs still exist, but yes that's an issue23:43
elky_workMez: staff would be interested. im talking about the irc council members who are not staff.23:43
elky_workwhich given ljl's absence.. is me.23:44
Mezelky_work, why? Its not a prequisite to be staff?23:44
Seeker`Mez: Staff mbers will be able to find out if the logs exist23:44
elky_workMez: no, it's not. but the irc council deserves to know where the Ubuntu irc structure is Breaking.23:44
Seeker`Mez: elky_work isn't staff, so cannot find out if the info is restricted to staff23:45
elky_workMez: not 'the irc council who are also staff deserve to know'23:45
naliothPriceChild: pong23:46
Mezelky_work, true, but i mean if its corrupt, then the staff will want to find out who - and hopefully give us that information23:46
PriceChildnalioth: I proposed a vote above, me and elky both vote +123:46
nalioth+1 on the issue at hand23:46
elky_workMez: that's what i already said!23:46
PriceChildnalioth: can you get that sorted out then please, or are you busy and I can find someone?23:47
Mezelky_work, we may have got our wires crossed?23:47
elky_workPriceChild: i'd suggest we have a grace period for somerville and this person to own up, or hand over with dignity.23:47
elky_worknalioth? ^^23:48
PriceChildelky_work: I think we've passed that stage, he's well aware we could make this decision, and I have requested he own up to it.23:48
naliothgrace period works for me23:48
PriceChildbut sure, we could leave him a message if you want?23:48
elky_workPriceChild: has the other person been given the chance?23:48
nalioth24h, maybe?23:48
elky_worknalioth: sounds fair23:48
PriceChildelky_work: I have no idea who the other person is... so "i don't know" :)23:48
PriceChildsounds like a plan23:48
elky_workPriceChild: somerville has the onus on him to share with that person.23:49
Seeker`he is online now23:49
PriceChildCody seems to be 'active', who wants to take care of it?23:49
elky_worknot me at the moment23:50
PriceChildnalioth?23:51
naliothi'm not the most politic fellow23:52
naliothbut i guess i can give it a run23:52
elky_worknalioth: he'll probably take it more seriously from you than pricey or me anyway23:53
PriceChildI doubt I'll be the best to discuss this with him in his eyes, but am ok to do it if needed.23:53
PriceChildyep23:53
elky_worksince you actually hold 'the power'23:53
PriceChildelky_work: which power?23:53
naliothno more than any of you two23:53
elky_workPriceChild: the power to actually press the buttons to make the change happen23:53
PriceChildmaybe i was just bluffing earlier 8-)23:54
naliothhe's been invited23:54
elky_workPriceChild: pretty much23:54
cody-somervilleHello.23:56
naliothhello, cody-somerville23:56
cody-somervilleHello nalioth23:56
naliothhave you remembered where you got your channel access, cody-somerville ?23:57
cody-somervilleAre we really starting this line of questions again because frankly it is getting exhausting and (excuse my language) pissing a lot of people off including myself.23:58
naliothvery well23:59
cody-somervilleA conclusion was already drawn when we *last* discussed this.23:59
elky_workcody-somerville: it's important we know. if there is someone disobeying the GC process, then who may #ubuntu be handed over to tomorrow?23:59

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