[00:07] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[00:31]  * elky_work screams at fedora's rpmness
[00:32] <Amaranth> should we make ganjaman change his nick?
[00:34] <elky_work> i dont think it's worth educating the rest of the channel to what it means
[01:24] <Seeker`> lo
[01:27] <tomaw> hi
[01:29] <jrib> ola
[01:34] <Seeker`> tomaw: are you as nocturnal as I am?
[01:34] <tomaw> Nah, I work 9-5, sleep a bit and then wake up
[01:35] <Seeker`> fair enough
[01:35] <tomaw> at least during work days, I do
[01:35] <Seeker`> I only see you onlyine late at night
[01:36] <tomaw> Who is Dave Walker?
[01:37] <tomaw> ah, Daviey
[01:37] <tomaw> at least probably
[01:37]  * nalioth knows Johnny Walker
[01:37]  * mneptok knows the runs ...
[01:38] <Seeker`> tomaw: correct
[01:38]  * tomaw felt a lot better after seveas blog post was countered by Daviey 
[01:39] <tomaw> Not to say that freenode didn't break some +i channel modes, we certainly did, but it made me at least feel a lot better.
[01:40] <Seeker`> heh
[01:43] <tomaw> Asking freenode staff to burn in a fire on a public blog doesn't really sit well with me, but it hardly changes the fact that work together :)
[01:45] <tomaw> er, that we'd be better working together.
[01:45] <Seeker`> there are problems that need fixing
[01:47] <tomaw> This is a work night for me so I can't stick around until 7am, but by all means tell me what
[01:47] <tomaw> if you need to resort to email then I am quite happy for that
[01:48] <Seeker`> I mean generically
[01:49] <tomaw> So, what generic problems?
[01:49] <Seeker`> I'm not directly involved in the staff / op "conflict" (for want of a better word), so I'm probably not going to be very good at describing the situation accurately
[01:50] <tomaw> acknowledging that it exists, at least imo qualifies you to guess a bit :)
[01:52] <tomaw> to be honest, I don't know how much of the bad feeling has survived seveas leaving
[01:52] <tomaw> knowing that may be useful in itself.
[02:16] <astro76> CALEB_WELLEMEYER is spamming via PM upon entering #ubuntu, he's just been booted from #debian
[02:16] <astro76> 21:09 -CALEB_WELLEMEYER(n=CJ@61.105.175.69)- astro76, R u sick and tired of being in chat rooms dat r boring,  not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room that is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well  #CALEBCOOLCHAT is the place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, CALEB  WELLEMEYER. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet a new best friend, come to
[02:16] <astro76>  #ALEBC OOLCHAT today.
[02:17] <Seeker`> mneptok: ^
[02:17] <mneptok> stand by
[02:17] <jrib> heh, excess flood
[02:17] <bazhang_> he just quit
[02:17] <jrib> he's back
[02:17] <jrib> and gone again
[02:17] <jrib> and back
[02:19] <astro76> cheers folks
[02:19] <bazhang_> and being 'mediatorized'
[02:23] <elky_work> hmm... want 2 finally join a chat room that scores 0% on a spelling quiz? (as though efnet isnt already full of them!)
[02:25] <Seeker`> elky_work: ?
[02:34] <tomaw> hrm
[02:35] <tomaw> fwiw, the spam quite spam quite guys are sometimes somewhat fixable by staff.
[02:35] <tomaw> erm, quit*
[02:36] <mneptok> when you add a k: let us know :)
[02:36] <Seeker`> what sort of things should be reported to staff?
[02:36] <tomaw> as I said a few nights ago, klining is not a magic bullet
[02:36] <tomaw> in many cases if a user can avoid a ban they can avoid a kline.
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> Hmm, anyone actually understand pulseaudio?
[02:37] <elky_work> except a single kline is like a ban in all channels
[02:37] <elky_work> it's one command compared to a game of chasey
[02:37] <mneptok> when you add a $method_for_keeping_user_off_ubuntu_channels let us know :D
[02:38] <elky_work> which is what we usually end up doing with the ones we ask for klines for
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> I'm trying to find a way to mute all other sounds when I have an incoming call in Ekiga.
[02:38] <tomaw> elky_work: tbh if staff spot a guy being an idiot in  channel we will often follow him
[02:38] <Seeker`> how many people have actually been banned in #ubuntu*?
[02:39] <elky_work> tomaw: when we're busy chasing them through channels is usually when we get told we cant get help
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: thousands?
[02:39] <mneptok> tomaw: while you're following, we're keeping channels sane. so while any efforts are appreciated, sometimes Freenode's needs to jibe with Ubuntu's.
[02:39] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: I mean banned in all channels
[02:39] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: not the sum of each channel
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: oh.  {x|0<x<10} I'd guess
[02:40] <elky_work> although, someone really does need to invent /mode +b #namespace* bans.
[02:40] <tomaw> mneptok: the reverse is also true :)
[02:40] <Seeker`> elky_work: see my suggestion on the irc mailing list
[02:41] <tomaw> elky_work: For who, I must ask
[02:41] <elky_work> Seeker`: -enotwithemail
[02:41] <elky_work> tomaw: the ones end up chasing through every #ubuntu channel with more than about 10 people
[02:41] <mneptok> tomaw: except you brought it up, i didn't ;)
[02:41] <elky_work> tomaw: it's not uncommon to have idiots run through all the channels screaming rude things
[02:41] <Seeker`> elky_work: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2008-June/000470.html
[02:42] <tomaw> elky_work: and you don't get decent help from staff who are around at the time?
[02:42] <elky_work> tomaw: i usually dont, given my timezone
[02:43] <tomaw> elky_work: is that more that there are non available or that you don't get what you need from those that are?
[02:43] <elky_work> tomaw: a bit of both.
[02:44] <elky_work> tomaw: it's not like there's a smorgasboard of staff to choose from if one says no
[02:44] <tomaw> elky_work: yeah, your timezone really isn't one we cover very well sadly
[02:45] <elky_work> tomaw: which is probably why hobbsee and i fall into the 'most bitter' category.
[02:45] <bazhang_> flip_543 (n=flip@174-105.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu same guy?
[02:45] <maco> wellemeyer = spammer
[02:45] <tomaw> elky_work: could you do me a big favour and copy help requests to me or poke me with channel names and that like as you're having problems?
[02:45] <Seeker`> -02:44:52- ~s~ ruiboon > (n=ruiboon@unaffiliated/ruiboon) has joined #ubuntu-irc
[02:45] <Seeker`> -02:46:12- :ruiboon : hi. could the ops check if Wellemeyer at #ubuntu should be ban, upon entering the channel, he/she pm a non-family friendly msg
[02:45] <maco> he's in #ubuntu
[02:46] <mneptok> maco: wellemeyer = not on network
[02:46] <maco> yes he is
[02:46] <maco> he just PM'd me when i entered #ubuntu
[02:46] <elky_work> tomaw: will do so from now on
[02:46] <mneptok> tomaw: time to show your quality, sir
[02:46] <mneptok> tomaw: back with a new nock and hostmask
[02:46] <maco> 21:43 <Wellemeyer> maco, R u sick and tired of being in chat rooms dat r boring, not fun, and lame? Want 2 finally join a chat room that is off da chain and 100% awesome? Well  #CALEBCOOLCHAT is the place 4 u. We do nothing but have fun in da chat, hosted by me, CALEB WELLEMEYER. So if u want a fun chat, 2 have fun, or maybe even meet  a new best friend, come to #CALEBCOOLCHAT today.
[02:47] <mneptok> *nick
[02:47] <maco> see?
[02:47]  * mneptok waits
[02:48] <Seeker`> I get the message from him too
[02:48] <bazhang_> k-lined
[02:48] <Dave2> L-lined
[02:48] <maco> yay
[02:48] <Dave2> er, L-
[02:48] <Dave2> ...K-
[02:48] <Seeker`> Dave2: you suck :P
[02:48] <nalioth> M-lined
[02:48] <Dave2> quite :(
[02:49] <mneptok> KLM-lined? what, now i have to /connect Schilphol for c00l ch4t?
[02:49] <elky_work> wth is m-lined?
[02:50] <Seeker`> it may well be typo-lined
[02:50] <elky_work> ah
[02:50] <Seeker`> followed by joke-about-typo-lined
[02:50] <nalioth> elky_work: k, l, m, ( who's next? )
[02:51] <mneptok> elky_work: m: means you can connect and send /msg's to users and channels, but cannot use vowels.
[02:51] <elky_work> aha
[02:51] <mneptok> (popular on abu-gheidic networks)
[03:38] <nalioth> on it
[03:38] <nalioth> ok then
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Pici: no, he hasn't changed.  he's still fiddling with bugs without reading them (white found it last night)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> good work on declining him.
[04:47] <elky_work> is this who i think it is?
[04:49]  * nickrud hopes they aren't talking about him _again_
[04:50] <elky_work> haha
[04:50] <elky_work> nickrud: i *think* we're talking about kmos
[04:51] <elky_work> hobbsee's bestest friend
[04:52] <nickrud> hm, I think I'm gonna slide away a bit, avoid the pointy stick flailing around
[04:52] <elky_work> hehehe
[04:55] <Hobbsee> elky_work: yeah
[04:56] <Hobbsee> elky_work: that being said, seveas did a brilliant job in -1'ing, so hopefully he won't try to apply for another few months.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> pity about the bugs, though
[04:58] <elky_work> heh
[04:59]  * elky_work hunts for this morning's -meeting logs
[05:00] <elky_work> considering today has been wasted installing xp to test stupid ie issues... i think i can spend a few minutes laughing at this
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ouchy.  no wine?
[05:03] <tritium> nickrud: :)
[05:05]  * elky_work notes the protesters may have shut up if they were linked to mark's email...
[05:06] <elky_work> Hobbsee: wine and ie is substandard
[05:06] <elky_work> does not take into consideration windows application interactivity, and cannot provide genuine ie7 render engine  yet
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:07] <elky_work> ie, 'why does this pdf not open properly'
[05:07] <elky_work> s/ie/eg/
[05:08] <Hobbsee> right, yeah.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[06:02] <Myrtti> *blink*
[06:02] <Myrtti> moin
[06:03] <elky_work> moin Myrtti bunny
[06:04] <jussi01> morning all
[06:04] <Myrtti> *yyyyyyyaaaawwwnn*
[06:07] <Myrtti> err.
[06:07] <Myrtti> I don't know how to take rodserlings line in offtopic
[06:09] <elky_work> oh bah
[06:09] <elkbuntu> I HATE YOU UBOTTU
[06:09] <Myrtti> @login
[06:09] <elkbuntu> @login
[06:09] <elkbuntu> :D
[06:09] <elkbuntu> !bunnies
[06:10] <Myrtti> have fun
[06:10] <Myrtti> someone make it a gdesklets/screenlets one too
[06:11] <elky_work> hehehe
[06:11] <nickrud> elky_work I hope you meant tweenage girls
[06:12] <Myrtti> I swear to gaia, I'm going to sew that little t-shirt with ubuntu logo for my guinea pig.
[06:12] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/27/funny-pictures-jurassic-park-sequel-haz-lower-budget/
[06:17]  * elky_work stabs ubottu
[06:17] <elkbuntu> @login
[06:50]  * SportChick pets elky_work 
[07:16] <Myrtti> that was fun
[07:19] <Myrtti> somehow I get the feeling I've banned someone with "otg" as ident before
[07:19] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> on-the-grass?  better have resident geezer ompaul shake a cane at them
[07:20] <Myrtti> and so it is
[07:20] <Myrtti> on the grass?
[07:20] <Myrtti> is this something I should know?
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> no
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> thinking of things otg could be an acronym for
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> work with me here - I needed to make a geezer joke
[07:21] <Myrtti> 2008-05-14T08:54:12 <otg> 跑俾阿
[07:21] <Myrtti> 2008-05-23T10:22:49 <otg> 我是子於
[07:21] <Myrtti> 2008-05-23T10:22:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nixternal
[07:21] <Myrtti> I have an idea of what that means
[07:21] <Myrtti> but I think we can safely assume that this is a repeat offender
[08:40] <PriceChild> Yay evolution has decided it will download my all mail and spam folders this evening :D
[08:40] <PriceChild> i mean morning
[08:44] <jussi01> yay for 3g connectivity :D
[08:44] <jussi01> bit of lag, but not bad at all
[09:00] <jussi01> hrm, we have quite a few bans in here - do we really need them all?
[09:04]  * jussi01 wonders where everyone is?
[09:05] <bazhang> apart from java user many could probably be cleared
[09:06] <jussi01> mind, like 4 of them are for naked goat
[09:07] <PriceChild> I don't see a ban on java user
[09:08] <PriceChild> if there was, i would suggest that should be one of the ones removed first due to its non-specificness
[09:09] <bazhang> only the worst spammer in ubuntu space
[09:14] <jussi01> ok, got to go - see you all later
[10:35] <Myrtti> !prayer
[10:36] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:36] <PriceChild> Good morning Myrtti.
[10:36] <Myrtti> ♥ Pricey
[10:36] <PriceChild> :)
[10:37] <PriceChild> You get up at a silly time btw.
[10:37] <Myrtti> dumdidumdidum
[10:37] <Myrtti> at 8?
[10:37] <PriceChild> ah, thought time went the other way
[10:37] <Myrtti> how's that silly? it's late
[10:37] <PriceChild> I'll let you off this time.
[10:37] <Myrtti> should wake up at 7, then it would be ok
[10:38] <Myrtti> I'm installing Windows XP to a VirtualBox >-|
[10:38] <PriceChild> joy
[10:38] <Myrtti> person refuses to do a 15 minute job and insists that I'll do it myself
[10:38] <Myrtti> have to install Visual Studio C# express too
[10:39] <Myrtti> of which, I know about as much as horses know about bicycles
[10:39] <Myrtti> "I'll show you how it's done"
[10:39] <Myrtti> fcol. He has Visual Studio right there
[10:39] <Myrtti> knows how to do it...
[10:40] <Myrtti> atleast I managed to find my Windows XP installation CD which I've never used
[12:14] <Seeker`> morning
[12:15] <Myrtti> seems like a quiet day
[12:15] <Pici> All the hilights in my away log during the night were cursing in #ubuntu, fun.
[12:42] <PriceChild> I'm getting a bounce every our or so on ubuntu-irc :/
[12:42] <PriceChild> *hour
[12:43] <Pici> hmm?
[12:43] <PriceChild> *unsubscribes the address*
[12:43] <Pici> oh
[12:43] <Pici> that
[12:44] <Pici> I thought you mean the channel.
[12:44] <Seeker`> I thought that too
[13:02] <Pici> PsySine: Morning, how can we help you today?
[13:03] <PsySine> good afternoon, is this the place to talk about locobots?
[13:03] <Pici> Not really, the locoteam channel or #ubuntu-irc would be the proper place.
[13:04] <PsySine> ok, thanks
[13:14] <Seeker`> PsySine: is there anything else we can help you with?
[13:14] <PsySine> nope :)
[13:18] <Seeker`> PsySine: Please take note of the /topic
[13:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: going to prune again sometime?
[13:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: there clearly at least was a rat in here.
[13:25] <Seeker`> PsySine: hello again
[13:26] <soundray> Jack_Sparrow: what was jampy up to? (Just curious...)
[13:27] <Jack_Sparrow> I think he was trying to disrupt.. but that command does not work here in freenode.
[13:27] <Jack_Sparrow> I msg'd him to ask what he was up to when he ran off
[13:27] <Pici> soundray: Some people seem to think that we serve files here, !list is a common command to use on fserv-ing channels to see what software we offer.
[13:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici thanks for the proper description
[13:28] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I've never seen it used for legitimate software distribution, if you get my drift
[13:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Agreed
[13:28] <soundray> I see, thanks... I'm only ever on freenode, and rarely on anything but ubuntu channels :)
[13:28] <Myrtti> it's not up to networks
[13:28] <Jack_Sparrow> such a sheltered life
[13:29] <Myrtti> it's up to clients and software used, I believe
[13:29] <Myrtti> a trigger just like all the other clients have
[13:29] <Myrtti> or bots
[13:29] <Pici> Indeedy, unless the network blocks certain types of ctcps
[13:30] <Myrtti> right now, I'm just so fed up with almost anything and everything, that I'm || this close to telling people to sod off faar faar away from my life
[13:31] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: if you do end up killing them, hide the bodies well.
[13:31] <Seeker`> PsySine: Is there anything we can do to help you?
[13:31] <Seeker`> Myrtti: :(
[13:31] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: I wouldn't mind getting jailed. Free holiday and all, away from these idiots
[13:32] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: there are *more* crazy ones inside.
[13:32] <Myrtti> I don't usually get this frustrated over anything but the miserable state of my socila life
[13:32] <Myrtti> but now I just feel like I've had it
[13:33]  * elky cuddles Myrtti tight.
[13:33] <Myrtti> I just had to check what I had in my competence profile under C#
[13:33] <PsySine> Seeker`: i'm trying to figure out the "scope" of this channel actually
[13:34] <elky> Myrtti, 'goddess' right?
[13:34] <elky> :)
[13:34] <Seeker`> This is a channel for operators in #ubuntu channels to share information etc.
[13:34] <Myrtti> I've apparently been stupid enough to confess that I know jack **** about it, but am intrested in it. Apparently that translates into "oh, this person has windows xp, visual studio 2005 and knows bits and pieces of the damn thing, ie. can write a compiler of C# in C#"
[13:35] <PsySine> Seeker`: does that include the loco channels?
[13:35] <Seeker`> PsySine: to try to provide some sort of coordinated response against possible attacks / malicious users
[13:35] <Myrtti> PsySine: nope, that's for -irc
[13:35] <Myrtti> most of us are in -irc too as we are loco ops too
[13:36] <Myrtti> and I, for one, always report the most disruptive users to -irc so the loco channel ops know and are aware and can prepare themselves
[13:36] <elky> PsySine, we keep team channels separate for sanity reasons
[13:36]  * Hobbsee is already insane.
[13:36] <Myrtti> I'm a basket case
[13:36] <Myrtti> brrrlll.
[13:36] <Myrtti> come and take me away.'
[13:37] <PsySine> ok thanks for the info :)
[13:37] <Myrtti> tack för dig själv
[13:37] <Myrtti> usch
[14:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: how do you mean?
[14:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: people leaking information outside of this channel, bringing us certain visitors.  extremely coincidental.
[14:22] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: of course, they could be using cron on logs.u.c, and grepping that way.
[14:22] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: who are we referring to?
[14:22] <PriceChild> as in who have been the visitors, not who you think is in here
[14:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i don't know who's here.
[14:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: and the visitor is $she_who_can_not_be_referred_to
[14:23] <PriceChild> ah, just reading logs again
[14:23] <Hobbsee> i'd meant to point it out a few days ago, but i forgot.
[14:24]  * PriceChild does a /names
[14:24] <PriceChild> I don't think I'm worried about any of the geeks in here atm?
[14:24] <PriceChild> elky: still awake?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: well, it may well be a cron job.  and the times match up with that theory relatively well (as in, logs get published online at .01.
[14:25] <PriceChild> yep, it is an hourly cron on the hour
[14:25] <Hobbsee> and the entry was at .02 or .03 or so.
[14:25] <PriceChild> elky_work: still awake?
[14:26] <Hobbsee> but even so, as a general reminder,it may be a good time to clear it out again
[14:26] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i doubt it, it's 11.30pm
[14:30] <bazhang> no ubuntu cloak yet? :)
[14:33] <Seeker`> glade88: how can we help you?
[14:34] <glade88> nothing. just finding a place to keep my head :)
[14:34] <glade88> ﻿@/ubuntu/member/glade88
[14:34] <glade88> oops..
[14:34] <Seeker`> this channel isn't for idling
[14:34] <glade88> i was told this was :(
[14:35] <Hobbsee> glade88: #ubuntu-irc allows idling.
[14:35] <Hobbsee> glade88: were you thinking of that one?
[14:35] <glade88> i guess
[14:35] <glade88> no actually. i had a doubt
[14:35] <glade88> i was told that we shall get a cloak..
[14:36] <glade88> shoud I fire this up at #ubuntu-irc ?
[14:36] <Hobbsee> oh, right, you want a cloak.  PriceChild can do that.
[14:36] <glade88> And when shall I ask him for the same?
[14:36] <Pici> glade88: What is your launchpad page?
[14:37] <glade88> https://launchpad.net/~sayakb
[14:37] <glade88> I guess I'm still not put up as an Ubuntu member.. we had a meeting last night (20:00 UTC)
[14:38] <Pici> glade88: Yeah, it takes a while.  Best to wait in #ubuntu-irc anyway.
[14:38] <glade88> okay.. I'll do that. Thank you
[14:39] <bazhang> that was odd
[14:40] <bazhang> I just mentioned ubuntu  cloaks and he appeared
[14:45] <Myrtti> /me plays a sweet little creepy tune to bazhangs ear
[14:46] <bazhang> was actually referring to Myrtti and Pici (congrats btw)
[14:48] <Pici> bazhang: Thanks :)
[14:48] <bazhang> Pici, none more deserving (other than Myrtti obviously) :)
[14:48] <Pici> :P
[14:49] <bazhang> sorry I missed the meeting; really wanted to be there but mis-calculated the time.
[14:49] <Seeker`> @schedule local-city
[14:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Theme from Twilight Zone plays softly in the background
[14:50] <Seeker`> bazhang: ^
[14:52] <I_cannot_be_name> Hobbsee: hi there
[14:53] <PriceChild> Oh, I wonder who that was..
[14:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: not emma.
[14:53] <ikonia> who knows....
[14:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: wrong hostmask.
[14:53] <PriceChild> ikonia: do you know?
[14:53] <ikonia> no....it could be anyonwe
[14:53] <PriceChild> i don't know
[14:53] <ikonia> no....it could be anyone
[14:53] <ikonia> ;)
[14:53] <ikonia> the $_name ammused me
[14:53] <Seeker`> what is the command to list info about people connected from a host
[14:54] <Hobbsee> one of her trolls, no doubt.  and she says she has none, and also doesn't look at the log.
[14:54] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: /who
[14:54] <ikonia> Hobbsee: it was me, I was giving you a quick troll
[14:54] <PriceChild> ikonia: awwwwwwwwwww
[14:54] <PriceChild> spoilsport
[14:54] <ikonia> I didn't fancy the rage of Hobbsee so thought it best to own up
[14:54] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ahhh, of course.
[14:54] <PriceChild> /whois ftw
[14:54] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i was getting there.  hte mattd looked familiar.
[14:54] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: /who 88-97-208-57.dsl.zen.co.uk ?
[14:54] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: yeah
[14:55] <Mez> yay, zen customers.
[14:55] <Myrtti> I've got a autorealname
[14:55] <ikonia> the only uk host to have
[14:55] <Myrtti> loooooooooseeeeerrrs
[14:55] <Mez> autorealname ?
[14:55]  * Hobbsee attacks ikonia with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[14:55] <Myrtti> [16:52] *** I_cannot_be_name (Matt Darcy) [n=mattd@88-97-208-57.dsl.zen.co.uk]
[14:55] <ikonia> Hobbsee: that is what I feared
[14:56] <Hobbsee> [23:56] [Who] End of /WHO list for 88-97-208-57.dsl.zen.co.uk
[14:56] <Hobbsee> strange.
[14:56] <Seeker`> Myrtti: link to the script?
[14:56] <ikonia> Hobbsee: ?
[14:56] <Seeker`> ikonia: Be aren't too bad
[14:56] <Myrtti> Seeker`: fcol. irssi.org/scripts.
[14:56] <Myrtti> blast your mind out
[14:57] <ikonia> Seeker`: yes, they are one I've heard positive reviews on, but it's area specific
[14:57] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:57] <Seeker`> ikonia: I connect at 14Mb/s
[14:57] <Hobbsee> ah yes, you used a /whowas
[14:57] <Myrtti> dumdidumdi
[14:57] <Seeker`> actually download at about 12Mb/s (1.5MB/s)
[14:58] <Myrtti> /me is going to do some grilled shrooms filled with cottage cheese and leeks, wrapped in bacon
[14:58] <ikonia> Seeker`: clearly a solid connection in Bath
[14:58] <Myrtti> dumdidumdi
[14:58] <Seeker`> Myrtti: make that cheddar/mozaralla, and it sounds really nice :P
[14:58] <Myrtti> an old proverb (not that old actually, and from a finnish meat commercial) "Good food, better humor"
[14:59] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I was going to put blue cheese, but (LOL!) it was moldy
[14:59] <Myrtti> ie. had the wrong kind of mold
[14:59] <Seeker`> I dont like blue cheese
[14:59] <Myrtti> bluecheese mmmmmmm
[14:59] <Seeker`> ikonia: Their DNS is a bit rubbish though
[14:59] <Myrtti> @schedule helsinki
[15:00] <Myrtti> bazhang: ^
[15:00] <Seeker`> @schedule London
[15:02] <Seeker`> can someone send me a PM?
[15:02]  * Hobbsee attacks Seeker`
[15:02]  * Hobbsee attacks Seeker` with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™, via PM
[15:03] <bazhang> haha
[15:03] <Seeker`> thanks Hobbsee and Myrtti
[15:03] <Seeker`> autowhois ftw
[15:04] <Myrtti> it is cool
[15:14] <Mez> yay for my new business cards with GPG fingerprints on them. Will make life so much easier ;)
[15:14] <Myrtti> Mez: excuse me, but LOL?
[15:14] <Mez> Myrtti, why ?
[15:15] <Myrtti> oh, nvm.
[15:15] <Myrtti> it's just so... geeky.
[15:15] <Myrtti> /me resists the urge to make the obvious question
[15:15] <Mez> which is?
[15:15] <Myrtti> "are you single" /me hides
[15:16]  * Mez covers Myrtti with a blanket
[15:16] <Mez> out of sight, out of mind ;)
[15:17] <Myrtti> /me wails loudly here, too
[15:17] <Mez> your /me's dont seem to be working (btw - /msg :P)
[15:17] <Myrtti> Mez: you failed the n00b test.
[15:18] <Mez> ?
[15:18] <Myrtti> [17:17] <+Mez> your /me's dont seem to be working
[15:18] <Myrtti> for all the time that I've been to freenode, they've not worked.
[15:19] <Mez> Myrtti, then be evil and do them in a raw format ...
[15:19] <Myrtti> so, since you asked, you are hereby, pronounced as being a n00b, for asking.
[15:19] <Mez> /ctcp channel action does something
[15:19] <Mez> and I didn't ask, I pronounced
[15:19] <Myrtti> by me, yours truly.
[15:19]  * Mez hides
[15:19] <Myrtti> oh dear.
[15:19]  * Mez runs
[15:19] <Myrtti> someone is going to get spanked
[15:19] <Myrtti> by a big stick of doom
[15:19] <Mez> I enjoy it - Hobbsee wubs me really
[15:20] <Mez> and she knows I enjoy it
[15:20] <Myrtti> wubs you mmmm :->
[15:20]  * Hobbsee beats Mez
[15:20] <Mez> yay!
[15:20] <Hobbsee> ...with mneptok
[15:20] <Mez> :(
[15:21] <Mez> no fun when someone else is enjoying it instead of me
[15:21] <Hobbsee> depends.  are either of you enjoying it?
[15:21] <Mez> mneptok probably is
[15:22] <Hobbsee> being thumped into you?  yeah, he might be.
[15:22] <Myrtti> SICK BASTARDS
[15:23] <Mez> Hobbsee, he might be, but I wont
[15:23]  * Mez steals the pointy stick
[15:24] <Myrtti> /me gives the fluffy pink pen instead
[15:24] <Mez> ooh
[15:25]  * Mez throws it at dartboard
[15:25]  * Mez wonders if this shows as a /me
[15:25] <Myrtti> /me goes to turn the shrooms with bacon over
[15:26]  * Mez tries not to think the wrong thing
[15:26] <Hobbsee> Mez: you can't steal the pointy stick.
[15:26] <Mez> Hobbsee, why not?
[15:27] <Hobbsee> because.
[15:27]  * wgrant throws Hobbsee at Mez. And vice-versa.
[15:28] <Hobbsee> it is imposible to steal
[15:28] <Mez> Hobbsee, not the one of doom, just the pointy stick
[15:28]  * Hobbsee defenestrates wgrant
[15:28] <Myrtti> ,mmmmmm
[15:28] <Myrtti> bacon and shrooms
[15:28]  * Mez tries not to choke on coke
[15:29] <wgrant> shrooms and coke, eh?
[15:30]  * Seeker` makes sure he hasnt wondered in to #ubuntu-druggies
[15:30] <Mez> wgrant, Myrtti knows why
[15:30] <Mez> and by Coke, I meant Coca Cola (in a can in front of me)
[15:30] <wgrant> Even worse!
[15:31]  * Mez wonders who wgrant is
[15:31]  * wgrant was Fujitsu
[15:31]  * Mez slaps jpds 
[15:31] <Mez> you started the darn nickname exodus :(
[15:31] <Mez> now I've got to remember who's who
[15:31] <wgrant> I did it before him.
[15:33] <Myrtti> /nick Marmelade
[15:33] <Mez> /nick Chris
[15:34] <Hobbsee> it's an imposter.
[15:38] <Myrtti> I bet it's possible to cultivate cubic mushrooms.
[15:38] <ikonia>  /nick car stereo
[15:39] <Myrtti> lol
[15:39] <Myrtti> imagine the possibilities
[15:39] <Myrtti> of CUBIC SHROOMS!
[15:40] <Myrtti> this idea (c) Miia Ranta
[15:40] <Myrtti> no but really
[15:40] <Myrtti> I hate doing the grilled shrooms with bacon
[15:40] <Myrtti> there's no way of doing the bacon evenly from all sides
[15:40] <Myrtti> the damned things roll over by themselves
[15:40] <Mez> Myrtti, I'm going to choke...
[15:41] <Myrtti> if they only were cubic.
[15:43] <Myrtti> http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2547696625/
[15:43] <Myrtti> omnomnomnom
[16:15] <Seeker`> Myrtti: any other useful scripts you use?
[16:16] <Myrtti> /me checks
[16:17] <Myrtti> calc, noisyquery, trackbar, active_notify, dns
[16:18] <Pici> ♥ dictcomplete
[16:18] <Myrtti> though, I can't remember what active_notify is
[16:19] <Myrtti> there seems to be some bitlbee leftovers in my scripts directory
[16:19] <ikonia> Myrtti: pings you in the main window based on your notify list
[16:19] <Myrtti> ah, true
[16:54] <ikonia> regular as clockwork, ping from bashoIII on exit
[16:55] <ikonia> it's obviously some sort of script
[16:57] <Myrtti> you're getting pings?
[16:57] <Myrtti> weird
[16:58]  * Seeker` doesn't get them
[16:58] <ikonia> most of the time he leaves I get a ping from him, just the one
[16:58] <Seeker`> has anyone ever seen BashoIII speak?
[16:58] <ikonia> no
[16:58] <Myrtti> no?
[16:58] <Myrtti> he's in #xubuntu too
[16:59] <Myrtti> does anyone know anyone who can Japanese?
[16:59] <ikonia> Myrtti: has he just left #xubuntu too
[16:59] <Myrtti> it'd be funky to know what does his quit message mean
[16:59] <Myrtti> ikonia: well, it was a /quit, not /part
[16:59] <ikonia> "I'm going now, enjoy my ping"
[17:00] <Seeker`> ikonia: what channel was it?
[17:00] <ikonia> well he was in #ubuntu at the time
[17:00] <Myrtti> #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #xubuntu
[17:00] <Myrtti> private, personal ping
[17:00] <ikonia> Seeker`: as he parted though irssi reported a ping requrest from him
[17:00] <ikonia> not in the channel, but it was as he left the channel
[17:01]  * Hobbsee shakes her head
[17:05] <Seeker`> ikonia: his quit message is part of a poem
[17:05] <ikonia> how do you know that ?
[17:05] <Seeker`> :D
[17:05] <Pici> hmm?
[17:05] <ikonia> (now I'm interested)
[17:05] <Seeker`> I is clever
[17:06] <Seeker`> and I have a housemate that grew up in Japan
[17:06] <Myrtti> aww
[17:06] <ikonia> I was just typing that
[17:06] <Myrtti> well atleast its not profane
[17:06] <ikonia> I wondered if you had a jap student sat next to you
[17:06] <Pici> Seeker`: I've seen BashoIII speak in #ubuntu-meeting once
[17:06] <Myrtti> :-o
[17:06] <Myrtti> really?
[17:06] <Pici> I remember looking because someone asked me if he was a bot.
[17:07] <ikonia> you are hounoured
[17:07] <ikonia> honoured
[17:07] <Seeker`> apparently it is about a guy in prison that dreams about a bird flying in the open sky, and then when he is released he sees the bird from his dreams, and comments about how it is better to see it in real life than in the dream
[17:07] <Seeker`> or something similar
[17:07] <ikonia> Seeker`: check out you the philosipher
[17:07] <Seeker`> ikonia: thats my housemates translation
[17:08] <ikonia> all a bit out there
[17:12] <Seeker`> "so it means it is much better to see real images and real people than imaginary beauty"
[17:12] <Myrtti> that's sad ;__;
[17:12] <Myrtti> reminds me of... irc
[17:13] <ikonia> your going to have problems with poopuser
[17:13] <ikonia> he's been a regular pain every time he's in
[17:13] <Myrtti> /me watches
[17:21] <Seeker`> Myrtti: what was h2d doing?
[17:21] <ikonia> heads up #ubuntu spam
[17:22] <ikonia> nudges at Tobi-pc
[17:22] <Seeker`> that link is a "get x people to click to get this ipod"
[17:22] <ikonia> ahh pici is awake
[17:23] <Myrtti> [19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - AVERSIONA
[17:23] <Myrtti> [19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - ATIMEA
[17:23] <Myrtti> [19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - APING 1212499145A
[17:23] <Myrtti> [19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - AFINGERA
[17:23] <Myrtti> [19:19] <+FloodBot3> WARNING: PM from h2d - u sux bot :)
[17:23] <ikonia> great
[17:24] <Seeker`> tobi-pc is still sending it by the looks of it
[17:24] <ikonia> tobi-pc still causing issues in #ubuntu
[17:24] <Pici> stupid floodbots
[17:24] <ikonia> Seeker`: 0.1 seconds ahead of me
[17:24] <Seeker`> ikonia: did you click on the link?
[17:24] <ikonia> no
[17:24] <ikonia> won't give people the satisfaction
[17:24] <ikonia> from your report I assumed you had
[17:25] <Pici> I did.
[17:25] <Pici> I think its one of those free ipod things
[17:25] <Seeker`> yeah, I saw something like "20 clicks ipod nano, 100 click ipod touch" and then a banner started scrolling in front of the page
[17:28] <Hobbsee> [02:27] --> Surfer33 has joined this channel (n=javachat@cpe-74-71-143-151.twcny.res.rr.com).
[17:28] <Hobbsee> [02:27] * Surfer33 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks)
[17:28] <Hobbsee> [02:27] *** Surfer33 sets the channel topic to "-=[ www.WHAK.com ]=- Make Free/Fun Graphics Online At http://www.ImageGenerator.org =)".
[17:28] <Hobbsee> [02:27] <-- Surfer33 has left this server (Client Quit).
[17:28] <Pici> again?
[17:28] <Seeker`> which channel is that?
[17:28] <Pici> -devel
[17:28] <Hobbsee> -devel
[17:33] <Seeker`> Ipods4free
[17:33] <Seeker`> in #u
[17:34] <Seeker`> not done anything yet, but probably worth keeping an eye on
[17:34] <Seeker`> Just started advertising
[17:35] <ikonia> Ipods4free
[17:35] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[17:35] <ikonia> spamming
[17:35] <Seeker`> ikonia: old news :P
[17:35] <ikonia> oooh
[17:35] <ikonia> I'm so lasst week
[17:35] <ikonia> damn
[17:35] <ikonia> just seen you
[17:35] <ikonia> I appear to be lagging
[17:36] <Seeker`> or you are slpw in your old age :P
[17:36] <ikonia> more likley
[17:36] <ikonia> a combination of both would be fatal
[17:36] <Seeker`> my connection has between 0.5 and 1 seconds of lag, meaning that I cant see what I am tryping in real time
[17:37] <ikonia> mine is normally great, but it does have a few issues
[17:37] <ikonia> I'm from work to my machine at home
[17:37] <ikonia> so thats where the lag normally is
[17:37] <ikonia> my machine at home to irc = great
[17:37] <Seeker`> I have a shell on someone elses computer
[17:38] <ikonia> I have a few dotted around the place to annoy hobbsee
[17:38] <Seeker`> heh
[17:38]  * Hobbsee has more than a few
[17:38] <Myrtti> I've got plenty too
[17:38]  * Hobbsee pokes ikonia with the very pointy end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[17:38] <cannot_be_named> hello Hobbsee
[17:38] <ikonia> see
[17:38] <Seeker`> lo ikonia
[17:39] <Hobbsee> aww, no more ops in here.
[17:39] <Pici> (* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *)
[17:39] <Hobbsee> Gary: is finally safe
[17:39] <ikonia> Hobbsee: I'm sorry, just made me laugh
[17:39] <ikonia> you made my chuckle earlier
[17:39] <ikonia> s/my/me
[17:39] <ikonia> I'll stop teasing
[17:39] <Hobbsee> ;0
[17:39] <Myrtti> meh, I should blog
[17:39] <ikonia> elky's blog has been quiet of late
[17:40] <Myrtti> for understandable reasons
[17:40]  * ikonia backs away 
[17:40]  * Hobbsee almost never blogs.
[17:40] <Seeker`> ditto
[17:40] <Hobbsee> although i did convert mine over.
[17:40]  * Mez does when he remembers and has something to say
[17:40] <Hobbsee> so i need to change the feed, and flood planet.
[17:41] <Mez> I go through a spurt of blogging, then forget to for months
[17:41] <ikonia> I had some things I wanted to document but my wordpress blog is having issues
[17:41]  * ikonia taps up mez for php suport
[17:41]  * ikonia support
[17:41]  * Mez is going home in 20 mins ikonia 
[17:42] <ikonia> Mez: I assume you it would take more than 20 minutes !
[17:42] <Myrtti> I can't find a good theme for my wordpress
[17:42] <ikonia> I made mine :)
[17:42] <ikonia> hence why it's borked
[17:42] <Myrtti> I modified mine
[17:42] <Mez> ikonia, sorry then ;) cant help right now ;)
[17:42]  * Mez yawns
[17:42] <Mez> plus you're not a customer ;)
[17:42] <ikonia> Mez: I'm only kidding
[17:43] <ikonia> Mez: I am actually
[17:43] <ikonia> Mez: I have 2 licenses
[17:43] <Mez> ikonia, damn.
[17:43] <ikonia> touche'
[17:43] <ikonia> alhtough I doubt they entitle resources to fix my blog
[17:44] <Mez> ikonia, is it a vB Blog ?
[17:44] <ikonia> no, wordpress
[17:44] <ikonia> hence my doubts
[17:44] <ikonia> hi, I've puchased VB, could someone please fix wordpress for me
[17:44] <ikonia> I don't think that will go down well as a business case
[17:46] <Pici> vB makes blogs?
[17:46] <ikonia> there is a plugin I think
[17:47] <Seeker`> did anyone see poopusers last comment
[17:48] <Pici> uh
[17:48] <ikonia> not again
[17:48] <Pici> Yes, I was wondering about it
[17:48] <Seeker`> inappropriate imo
[17:48] <ikonia> he's just a pain
[17:49] <ikonia> persistant pain
[17:50] <Pici> ikonia: I'd just ignore him... well , not /ignore, but ignore.
 hi, I've puchased VB, could someone please fix wordpress for me <-- You'd be surprised how often we see that
[17:50] <ikonia> Pici: I know what you mean
[17:50] <Mez> Pici, http://www.vbulletin.com/features_blog.php
[17:51] <ikonia> Mez: maybe it is worth logging a support call then ;)
[17:51] <Mez> ikonia, lmao - maybe - espesically if you havent paid for phone support and ring the sales number
[17:51] <Myrtti> "ring ring is this vbulletin offices, I'd like to ..." oh dear
[17:51]  * Mez nods
[17:51] <Myrtti> nevermind
[17:51] <Mez> Myrtti, we dont give out the office number ;) (cept in whois)
[17:51] <Myrtti> /me forgets the idea immediately
[17:52] <Mez> or the business cards
[17:52] <Pici> "ring ring ring ring ring, bananaphone"
[17:52] <Myrtti> talking of business cards, I should be getting mine soon
[17:52] <Mez> But that all goes to our business manager. We all have IP Phones (cept me atm)
[17:52] <Myrtti> "Nomovok - software developer"
[17:52] <Pici> Myrtti: Ubuntu'd?
[17:52] <Myrtti> I liked my COSS cards.
[17:53] <Myrtti> "COSS - Miia Ranta - communities"
[17:53] <Myrtti> with a green penguin
[17:53] <Mez> get some Ubuntu business cards ;)
[17:54] <Myrtti> I might
[17:54] <Pici> The card design on the site isnt to my liking though... I'd have to move things a round a little bit
[17:54] <Mez> Pici, whats wrong with the design?
[17:54] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[17:54] <Mez> and to be fair - it's a free format - change it how you want
[17:55] <Myrtti> "lets redesign them with LaTeX"
[17:55] <Seeker`> Xorothal: You are banned because you sent a CTCP version to the channel
[17:55] <Xorothal> oh
[17:55] <Seeker`> or, thats what it seems to be anyway
[17:56] <Xorothal> sorry?
[17:56] <Pici> Xorothal: Do you  understand why we ban that sort of thing?
[17:56] <Seeker`> looking at the logs
[17:56] <Xorothal> yes
[17:56] <Seeker`> Pici: can you confirm?
[17:56] <Xorothal> sorry guys
[17:56] <Pici> Seeker`: I can
[17:56] <Pici> Xorothal: Just be careful in the future, okay?
[17:57] <Xorothal> ok, sry
[17:57] <Myrtti> I confirm with /lastlog
[17:57] <Pici> Xorothal: You may rejoin #ubuntu
[17:57] <Xorothal> thanks
[17:58] <Myrtti> /me wonders if she has chocolate
[18:04] <tim1> join #ubuntu
[18:05] <nalioth> tim1: can we help you?
[18:05] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[18:06] <Myrtti> sorry tim1, ompaul hasn't been online all day
[18:06] <Myrtti> I'll tell him you missed him though, when he comes back.
[18:06] <tim1> ok ill be here is he dose turn up
[18:07] <nalioth> tim1: have you read the /topic ?
[18:07] <nalioth> tim1: there is an irc command called "notify", you know  :)
[18:08] <tim1> lots od idle ppl
[18:08] <tim1> how notify ?
[18:08] <Myrtti> @now utc
[18:08] <tim1> @now utc
[18:08] <tim1> :)
[18:09] <Myrtti> tim1: he'll know that he's been missed, you can leave now
[18:10] <tim1> ohh
[18:10] <Myrtti> (put a message to ompaul in memoserv)
[18:12] <nalioth> or /help notify perhaps
[18:12] <Myrtti> nalioth: I don't trust normal users patience to read those or to put /notifys on
[18:16] <nalioth>  /me will keep suggesting and one day one user will benefit
[18:16] <nalioth> isn't that what it's all about?  :0
[18:25] <Gary> it is nalioth :-)
[18:25] <Pici> it is Gary
[18:25] <Myrtti> ohnoes
[18:27] <Gary> woo, i'm safe from Hobbsee
[18:55] <Seeker`> :O tis an ompaul
[18:55] <Myrtti> ompaul: did you get the memo
[18:55] <ompaul> Myrtti, not as yeat
[18:55] <ompaul> stilllllll lagged
[18:56] <Myrtti> oh dear
[18:56] <Myrtti> my friend, you need an irssi.
[18:56] <Pici> ompaul: We're putting new cover sheets on the TPS reports
[18:56] <Myrtti> or some other method of connecting
[18:57] <ompaul> Myrtti, na it is the quantity of connections I make
[18:57] <ompaul> it will always lag until it won't :-)
[18:57] <ompaul> Pici, ?
[18:57] <Myrtti> ompaul: if you had your connection on, it wouldn't lag as you make them
[18:57] <ompaul> Myrtti, that would involve spending money on power I don't have to ;-)
[18:58] <Seeker`> ompaul: but irssi rocks!
[18:58] <Myrtti> would you like a myrtti.fi addy :-P
[18:58] <Seeker`> especailly 24/7 irssi
[18:58] <Seeker`> as long as the sheel doesn't lag, that is
[18:58] <ompaul> Myrtti, I won't even run my connection from my own vm
[18:58] <ompaul> ;-)
[18:58] <Myrtti> that many?
[18:59] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I'd concider roms within the questionably legal category....
[18:59] <ompaul> Myrtti, yeap - I suppose I could move from one to another but it would mean all sorts of nasty movingings back and forth
[19:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Understood.. the link has pulled the ones showing as copywrited
[19:00] <Jack_Sparrow> 1000's are in freeware
[19:00] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:01] <Seeker`> Myrtti: what is wrong?
[19:02] <Myrtti> apart from a mild headache, boredom and uneasy feeling about work stuff, nothing new (as the old is all the same jazz)
[19:09] <Myrtti> anyone else following the windows discussion at -ot?
[19:09] <Myrtti> all for the removing freez, say aye
[19:12] <Pici> nalioth: around?
[19:13] <Pici> If so, could you mute one of the bots in #ubuntu-bugs ?
[19:14] <nalioth> we really need to designate a bot wrangler
[19:15] <Myrtti> /me considers raising her hand
[19:16]  * ompaul raises Myrtti's hand
[19:17] <Myrtti> It looks like I've just volunteered?
[19:21] <ompaul> Myrtti, congrats ;-)
[19:27] <ompaul> Myrtti, that ban has been removed - however I will be looking on
[19:27] <Myrtti> ok
[19:28] <Myrtti> I was kind of thinking it might
[19:28] <Myrtti> I would've done it myself but wanted your opinion first
[19:28] <ompaul> I told him 24 hours
[19:28] <ompaul> or so
[19:28] <Myrtti> 20ish
[19:28] <Myrtti> cool
[19:28] <ompaul> no more messing
[19:32] <Seeker`> nalioth: "bot wrangler"?
[19:33] <nalioth> Seeker`: someone to keep track of which bots are in what channels
[19:33] <nalioth> Seeker`: a "load balancer" of sorts
[19:34] <Seeker`> Which bots would they be responsible for? floodbots and ubotu clones?
[19:34] <nalioth> "which channels need advanced features, and which channels just need a factoid bot" and that sort of thing
[19:34] <nalioth> just ubotu clones
[19:35] <Seeker`> I'd be willing to give that a go
[19:35] <ompaul> team wrangler
[19:35] <Seeker`> if someone can give me a hand working out the situation at the mment
[19:38] <Pici> Perhaps a wikipage would be a good place to put this kind of stuff
[19:40] <nalioth> perhaps it would
[19:41] <nalioth> Myrtti: you and Seeker` want to be "Team Bot Wrangler" ?
[19:41] <Myrtti> sure
[19:42] <Myrtti> would https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Infobots be ok?
[19:44] <nalioth> Myrtti: Seeker`: do y'all get server notices?
[19:44] <Myrtti> I think so, how do I check it?
[19:45] <nalioth> i just invited y'all
[19:45] <Myrtti> oh right
[19:45] <Myrtti> I don't have autojoin on
[19:45] <Seeker`> nalioth: I'm already in the channel :)
[21:32] <Myrtti> nighteys folks
[21:35] <Seeker`> nn
[21:35] <ompaul> night Myrtti
[21:52] <gnomefreak> are there plans to revist the agenda from last meeting or are we clear of that for tonight?
[21:59] <PriceChild> Is the bot right?
[21:59] <Seeker`> ?
[21:59] <PriceChild> it is
[21:59] <PriceChild> nevermind
[22:00] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[22:01] <ompaul> gnomefreak, on the agenda tonight are two items that is all, neither of them directly relate to IRC
[22:01] <ompaul> mneptok, hey you about?
[22:03] <ompaul> the correct answer is No ompaul I am mneptok but I suspect that the impetus for that gag is gone now
[22:09] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, having problems?
[22:09] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: why did you ban him?
[22:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I first asked him to let us handle it and unmuted him
[22:10] <Jack_Sparrow> then he called me hitlar  etc.. so I banned him
[22:12] <Jack_Sparrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16681/ is the log
[22:15] <Seeker`> heh, cant even spell Hitler
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16683/
[22:17] <disciple> what shall we discuss?
[22:17] <Jack_Sparrow> seeker, be my guest
[22:18] <Seeker`> disciple: Why do you think you were banned from #ubuntu?
[22:18] <Jack_Sparrow> disciple Yo seem to think I am being unreasonable.. So please make your case
[22:20] <ompaul> disciple, you don't get the ban into a mode of retract should you fail to interact ... wow that was forced ;-) dude your call anyway
[22:21] <disciple> Seeker`: because of a private comment to jack sparrow that triggered an ego defense mechanism
[22:22] <ompaul> rubbish you don't go around calling people one of the last centuries mass murderers
[22:22] <Seeker`> disciple: do you feel that the comments you made are suitable?
[22:22] <disciple> Seeker`: I feel that they had nothing to do with the channel considering they were private
[22:22] <ompaul> but aside from that
[22:23] <ompaul> why were you muted in #ubuntu
[22:23] <Seeker`> disciple: they were triggerd by events in the channel, were they not
[22:23] <disciple> ﻿14:05
[22:23] <disciple> (02:05:29 PM) Jack_Sparrow: please let us handle it
[22:23] <disciple> (02:07:25 PM) disciple: handle what
[22:23] <disciple> (02:07:55 PM) disciple: ok pumpkin king
[22:23] <disciple> (02:08:00 PM) disciple: handle your biz
[22:23] <ompaul> he can come back
[22:24] <Seeker`> yeah
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> He was unmuted within seconds.... and not banned until his attacks..
[22:24] <Seeker`> disciple: welcome back
[22:24] <disciple> Seeker`: that's the whole story
[22:24] <ompaul> dude your client needs a lesson
[22:24] <disciple> huh?
[22:24] <ompaul> * disciple has quit (Excess Flood)
[22:24] <disciple> did I go somwhere?
 (02:08:00 PM) disciple: handle your biz
[22:24] <ompaul> then the quit
[22:25] <Seeker`> disciple: use pastebin if you want to pate the log
[22:25] <Seeker`> !pastebin
[22:25] <disciple> who wants it ill just im it
[22:25] <disciple> im not downloading crap
[22:25] <Seeker`> disciple: you dont have to download naytihng, it is a website
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16683/
[22:25] <Seeker`> disciple: why do you think you were muted?
[22:26] <disciple> well I don't have enough sys resources to open browser at this time
[22:26] <disciple> I was muted because I was reccomending an alternative solution that jack didn't like
[22:27] <Seeker`> disciple: I belive that he muted you after your comment about policing the channel
[22:27] <disciple> okay
[22:27] <Seeker`> disciple: And he only muted you so that he had enough time to tell you that people were sorting something, and you were unmuted very quickly afterwards
[22:27] <disciple> that had nothing to do with jack
[22:27] <disciple> that was some guy telling me im off topic when I wasnt
[22:28] <disciple> he was annoying me
[22:28] <disciple> and flooding the channel with false offtopic accusations
[22:28] <Seeker`> disciple: who was telling you that you were offtopic
[22:29] <disciple> too much time to search the log
[22:29] <disciple> you go look
[22:30] <Seeker`> I'm looking, and I cant see it at the moment
[22:30] <disciple> look for off topic
[22:30] <nalioth> disciple: you were asked several times to restrain yourself
[22:30] <disciple> from what?
[22:30] <nalioth> from whatever you were doing that was disruptive
[22:30] <disciple> I was reccomending that people get hardware that is supported
[22:30] <disciple> that's disruptive?
[22:31] <disciple> ???
[22:31] <nalioth> disciple: it's all about attitude
[22:32] <disciple> where is the rules that define what attitude you should have
[22:32] <nalioth> !guidelines
[22:32] <disciple> I know
[22:32] <Seeker`> disciple: you were muted for 2 minutes, and then Jack_Sparrow removed the mute, and you were free to talk in the channel again
[22:33] <disciple> then he bootedme because of a private comment
[22:33] <disciple> that was unrelated to the channel
[22:33] <Seeker`> ddo you feel that it is acceptable behaviour to compare someone to Hitler? In public or in private
[22:33] <disciple> yes
[22:34] <ompaul> disciple, we are not here to take grief from people ... perhaps that thought had that not occurred to you?
[22:34] <disciple> if someone has the qualities exhibited by abuse of authority
[22:34] <disciple> which has been exhibited
[22:34] <disciple> it is acceptable
[22:34] <Seeker`> I'm afraid that it is not the sort of attitude that is appropriate for #ubuntu
[22:34] <ompaul> disciple, wrong you then tell them what they did wrong, you don't call them hitler that is not acceptable
[22:34] <disciple> had he been the leader of a country instead of a chat what would be done with for simply speaking in an undisruptive way
[22:35] <disciple> all I did was recommend people get supported hardware
[22:35] <disciple> I was muted
[22:35] <disciple> then took it up in private
[22:35] <ompaul> you wanted a discussion that is offtopic
[22:35] <disciple> and booted for personal reasons
[22:35] <Seeker`> you were also unmuted 2 minutes later
[22:35] <ompaul> na
[22:35] <disciple> that is not offtopic
[22:36] <ompaul> disciple, ehh let me quote you just a moment
[22:36] <disciple> talking about ubuntu supported hardware is offtopic?
 Jack_Sparrow: im settled
 im just saying don't support companies with proprietary drivers that won't share with the open source community
 duhh
 would you quit trying to police the room and join in a conversatiojn
[22:36] <disciple> how is that off topic
[22:36] <ompaul> you were asked to drop it that is not a conversation location
[22:37] <ompaul> it is strictly a support channel
[22:37] <disciple> yeah
[22:37] <ompaul> and issues are not core to it
[22:37] <ompaul> and that is an issue
[22:37] <disciple> so wouldn't it be on topic to tell people to get SUPPORTED hardware in a SUPPORT channel
[22:37] <ompaul> I should know I am a bit more extreme than most when it comes to binary blobs
[22:37] <ompaul> I abhor them more than most
[22:38] <disciple> binary blobs?
[22:38] <ompaul> you were talking about what you called "closed source drivers"
[22:38] <ompaul> I would call non free software
[22:38] <disciple> ﻿so wouldn't it be on topic to tell people to get SUPPORTED hardware in a SUPPORT channel? yes or no?
[22:38] <nalioth> disciple: we're not here for hypotheticals
[22:38] <disciple> its not hypothetical
[22:38] <disciple> it happened
[22:38] <PriceChild> disciple: our guidelines have a "when helping, be helpful" clause if i'm not mistaken
[22:38] <disciple> its reality sunny
[22:39] <ompaul> ehh you are diverting the point from your main point which was
[22:39] <disciple> please answer
[22:39] <disciple> ﻿so wouldn't it be on topic to tell people to get SUPPORTED hardware in a SUPPORT channel
 <disciple> would you quit trying to police the room and join in a conversatiojn
[22:39] <PriceChild> disciple: sure, inform them of manufacturers which produce more foss friendly hardware, but please be helpful with their real issue
[22:39] <nickrud> disciple, seems that's going to chase people off, rather than help. So I'd say no
[22:39] <disciple> ok whatever
[22:39] <Jack_Sparrow> disciple Telling people to go buy a new laptop is not productive
[22:39] <nickrud> disciple, unless you change that to 'suggest' rather than tell
[22:40] <disciple> if you don't realize your censorship and how it compares to the riech then you need to read history
[22:40] <nickrud> godwin!!!!
[22:40] <Jack_Sparrow> disciple FYI for the record I did have a word with the other half of that discussion as it were.
[22:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Oh boy another pm from him
[22:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks for handling that...
[22:42] <nalioth> !guidelines disciple

[22:42] <nalioth> disciple: please read the guidelines
[22:43] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, mutes are mutes not bans ;-) read that again
[22:43] <ompaul> !guidlines | disciple
[22:43] <ompaul> !guidelines | disciple
[22:43] <ompaul> the evening of the typo
[22:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I first muted, unmuted  then later banned right.. or did I not get it right
[22:45] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, see pm
[22:45] <ompaul> ohh no Pici left the factory
[22:46] <ompaul> that is nearly topic material
[22:46] <nalioth> anyone get flooded?
[22:47] <ompaul> nalioth, na he trys and the client is rubbish it can't handle anything
[22:47] <Seeker`> nalioth: not as far as I know
[22:47] <nalioth> ompaul: ah
[22:47] <nalioth> disciple: is there anything more we can help you with?
[22:47] <ompaul> nalioth, or more to the point it is acting like mirc or something
[22:47] <ompaul> nalioth, he is muted .......
[22:47] <nalioth> disciple: if not, plesae see the /topic
[22:48]  * ompaul unties nalioth's fingers :)
[22:48]  * ompaul runs
[22:50] <disciple> yt?
[22:51] <Seeker`> hi
[22:51] <disciple> Seeker`: you here me?
[22:51] <Seeker`> yes
[22:51] <disciple> can you unban me please
[22:51] <disciple> I need help
[22:52] <Seeker`> I am unable to unban people from #ubuntu
[22:52] <disciple> why
[22:52] <Seeker`> because I do not have the required access in there
[22:52] <disciple> oh
[22:52] <disciple> pull some strings
[22:52] <disciple> brb
[22:52] <nalioth> perhaps you should have thought of this before you ignored all those requests to modify your behaviour, disciple
[22:52] <Seeker`> nalioth: when do you want to tell him to come back?
[22:53] <nalioth> most bans expire within a day, Seeker`
[22:54] <Seeker`> is this going to be one of those?
[22:54] <nalioth> it is up to JS
[22:55] <ompaul> and he ain't about atm
[22:56] <disciple> back
[22:56] <disciple> well tell him to unban me
[22:56] <Seeker`> disciple: he wont be told to unban you
[22:56] <disciple> fine ill just ask here
[22:56] <Seeker`> disciple: It is his choice when to unban you
[22:56] <nalioth> disciple: you may return tomorrow about this time
[22:57] <disciple> so I am using synaptic
[22:57] <disciple> I added 2 packages
[22:57] <Seeker`> disciple: Doing this will only make your ban last longer
[22:57] <disciple> and the spinny hourglass things been going for about an hour
[22:57] <disciple> any way to shock it back to life
[22:57] <disciple> doing what?
[22:57] <Seeker`> disciple: ASking questions like that in here
[22:58] <Seeker`> disciple: I suggest that you leave this channel now and come back in 24 hours, like nalioth suggested
[22:58] <Seeker`> nalioth: can you unmute him for a second?
[22:59] <disciple> Seeker`: like it matters ill just come back with a new nic and ip
[22:59] <Seeker`> disciple: doing things like that will just make things worse for you. Seriously, the best thing you can do for now is to come back in 24 hours
[23:00] <disciple> you won't even know its me how can it make it worse?
[23:00] <Seeker`> well, we know what question you need a solution to
[23:00] <disciple> just pm me and help me please
[23:00] <disciple> and ill leave
[23:01] <ompaul> disciple, not open to discussion
[23:01] <ompaul> really it is not
[23:01] <disciple> what isn't?
[23:01] <nalioth> this isn't going anywhere.
[23:01] <disciple> I want help with my computer
[23:01] <disciple> pm me someone
[23:02] <nalioth> disciple: see above
[23:02] <nalioth> and good day
[23:03] <Seeker`> *sigh*
[23:22] <Seeker`> "cumface" in ubuntu
[23:23] <Seeker`> gone
[23:24] <PriceChild> Seeker`: pfft doesn't matter
[23:31]  * elky_work raises an eyebrow
[23:32] <PriceChild> elky_work: got a little?
[23:35] <elky_work> got a little what?
[23:35] <Seeker`> time I suspect
[23:35] <PriceChild> time, 5-10 mins?
[23:35] <elky_work> sure
[23:35] <PriceChild> Cool.
[23:36] <elky_work> starting when?
[23:38] <PriceChild> I would like the council to vote on whether we should ask freenode for founders access to #xubuntu and #xubuntu-offtopic back. (not concerned with their -devel) My backing... I think it is firmly established that he took control from us without our permission. I don't feel comfortable with him managing those channels, what with him removing important access after being told to by some other unnamed person.
[23:38] <PriceChild> nalioth: *ping*
[23:39] <elky_work> PriceChild: agree. i'd also like to know how he got the access, since that person has done a very much Bad Thing.
[23:39] <PriceChild> tm
[23:39] <elky_work> tm?
[23:39] <Seeker`> ™
[23:39] <elky_work> ah
[23:39] <PriceChild> very bad thing ™
[23:39] <PriceChild> thankyou Seeker`  :)
[23:39] <Seeker`> PriceChild: not a problem :)
[23:40] <PriceChild> Tis a shame LjL seems to be inactive for some time, he has been poked about things, incase anyone is worried he is being left out.
[23:40] <Mez> PriceChild, I'd be interested in how he took the channels
[23:40] <Seeker`> ditto
[23:41] <elky_work> i think it's something the irc council at minimum deserves to know
[23:41] <Mez> elky_work, It was either a bad staff member, or he could have used the channel password to identify as founder?
[23:41] <elky_work> Mez: which is why we need to know which it was
[23:42] <Mez> but if it was a straff member
[23:42] <Seeker`> will staff have records of that?
[23:42] <Mez> hes unlikely to reveal who
[23:42] <Mez> PriceChild, indeed it is
[23:42] <Mez> actually, is there a chanserv log to see?
[23:42] <PriceChild> Seeker`: Mez: I will get back to you on that.
[23:42] <elky_work> that would be something only staff can see
[23:43] <elky_work> it's just a matter of if the reason ever leaves staff circles
[23:43] <Seeker`> the individual staff member that did it may be unlikely to reveal it (if it was staff), but if you ask a different staff member
[23:43] <Mez> elky_work, but at least they should be interested in finding out too
[23:43] <PriceChild> that's if the logs still exist, but yes that's an issue
[23:43] <elky_work> Mez: staff would be interested. im talking about the irc council members who are not staff.
[23:44] <elky_work> which given ljl's absence.. is me.
[23:44] <Mez> elky_work, why? Its not a prequisite to be staff?
[23:44] <Seeker`> Mez: Staff mbers will be able to find out if the logs exist
[23:44] <elky_work> Mez: no, it's not. but the irc council deserves to know where the Ubuntu irc structure is Breaking.
[23:45] <Seeker`> Mez: elky_work isn't staff, so cannot find out if the info is restricted to staff
[23:45] <elky_work> Mez: not 'the irc council who are also staff deserve to know'
[23:46] <nalioth> PriceChild: pong
[23:46] <Mez> elky_work, true, but i mean if its corrupt, then the staff will want to find out who - and hopefully give us that information
[23:46] <PriceChild> nalioth: I proposed a vote above, me and elky both vote +1
[23:46] <nalioth> +1 on the issue at hand
[23:46] <elky_work> Mez: that's what i already said!
[23:47] <PriceChild> nalioth: can you get that sorted out then please, or are you busy and I can find someone?
[23:47] <Mez> elky_work, we may have got our wires crossed?
[23:47] <elky_work> PriceChild: i'd suggest we have a grace period for somerville and this person to own up, or hand over with dignity.
[23:48] <elky_work> nalioth? ^^
[23:48] <PriceChild> elky_work: I think we've passed that stage, he's well aware we could make this decision, and I have requested he own up to it.
[23:48] <nalioth> grace period works for me
[23:48] <PriceChild> but sure, we could leave him a message if you want?
[23:48] <elky_work> PriceChild: has the other person been given the chance?
[23:48] <nalioth> 24h, maybe?
[23:48] <elky_work> nalioth: sounds fair
[23:48] <PriceChild> elky_work: I have no idea who the other person is... so "i don't know" :)
[23:48] <PriceChild> sounds like a plan
[23:49] <elky_work> PriceChild: somerville has the onus on him to share with that person.
[23:49] <Seeker`> he is online now
[23:49] <PriceChild> Cody seems to be 'active', who wants to take care of it?
[23:50] <elky_work> not me at the moment
[23:51] <PriceChild> nalioth?
[23:52] <nalioth> i'm not the most politic fellow
[23:52] <nalioth> but i guess i can give it a run
[23:53] <elky_work> nalioth: he'll probably take it more seriously from you than pricey or me anyway
[23:53] <PriceChild> I doubt I'll be the best to discuss this with him in his eyes, but am ok to do it if needed.
[23:53] <PriceChild> yep
[23:53] <elky_work> since you actually hold 'the power'
[23:53] <PriceChild> elky_work: which power?
[23:53] <nalioth> no more than any of you two
[23:53] <elky_work> PriceChild: the power to actually press the buttons to make the change happen
[23:54] <PriceChild> maybe i was just bluffing earlier 8-)
[23:54] <nalioth> he's been invited
[23:54] <elky_work> PriceChild: pretty much
[23:56] <cody-somerville> Hello.
[23:56] <nalioth> hello, cody-somerville
[23:56] <cody-somerville> Hello nalioth
[23:57] <nalioth> have you remembered where you got your channel access, cody-somerville ?
[23:58] <cody-somerville> Are we really starting this line of questions again because frankly it is getting exhausting and (excuse my language) pissing a lot of people off including myself.
[23:59] <nalioth> very well
[23:59] <cody-somerville> A conclusion was already drawn when we *last* discussed this.
[23:59] <elky_work> cody-somerville: it's important we know. if there is someone disobeying the GC process, then who may #ubuntu be handed over to tomorrow?