[00:37] nixternal: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080603-40gb-for-55-per-month-time-warner-bandwidth-caps-arrive.html [00:37] NO [00:37] hahaha, poor time warner customers [00:37] I just checked, and since saturday, I have 8gb [00:38] most of them kdebase-workspace uploads :) [00:38] * JontheEchidna hates how he has to always retrieve 23 MB worth of wallpapers every kebase-workspace upload ;P [00:39] haha [00:39] use foresight! [00:39] that is freakin' annoying, about the only bad thing with every other packaging manager but conary [00:40] MMMMMM wallpapers [01:06] are 4.1 beta packages temporarily uploaded somewhere?..i'd like to compile against them if possible.. === fale_ is now known as fale [02:11] eek [02:11] two tornado warnings so far tonigh, moar to come /me thinks [02:15] vorian: Where are you located? [02:16] Ohio [02:19] Ok [02:20] I'm lucky, in southern Minnesota I don't often get crazy tornados [02:20] we don't usually either === evalles_ is now known as recover === recover is now known as effie_jayx === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [04:50] im having my kde4 lockup the system on login now. wondering how to troubleshoot. this seems to happen a lot and have to reset profile. how can i troubleshoot this? should i kill kdm and startx manual and s forth? [04:54] flaccid: it freezes up upon login? [04:55] stops at the end of the splash screen [04:56] hrrrm [04:57] start with a new session? [05:03] yep i'll run startkde from a bare session i think [05:07] undefined reference to `pthread_create' <- this is starting to annoy me [05:08] cmake says it finds pthread.h and pthread_create, but going through the build, no luck [05:41] flaccid: joy? [05:41] its a kwin/glx/fglrx problem for sure [05:42] i forgot to redirect both stdout and sderr to a log but i will check. might have to do it again [05:45] flaccid: ahh dude, I wonder if you are getting the same crap I am [05:45] what video card do you have? [05:45] my kde4 with my radeon 9600 pro freezes when it wants to [05:45] but I always get past the ksplash after login [05:46] daskreech: so like /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde &> ~/startkde [05:46] lol same video card mate [05:47] ha ha :-) [05:47] I love it when a plan comes together [05:48] flaccid: can you ssh into that box, run top, and then login...I bet Xorg goes to 100 | 100 on that badboy [05:48] nixternal: so i'll go back to failsafe and run the above command, let it kill my puter, reboot and pastebin log forus? [05:48] morning [05:48] ok [05:48] flaccid: I never get anything good from the logs [05:48] i will do that when it crashes [05:48] i saw the fat errors kwin was outputting [05:48] that is why I am looking for a cheap intel based mobo :) [05:49] but isn't the problem here ati? [05:49] video [05:49] I want to say yes, but... [05:49] KDE 3, Gnome..none of them lockup on me [05:49] it is just KDE 4 [05:49] true. it is kwin outputting this errors [05:49] and I don't even have to have composite enabled last I checked [05:49] let me get them and you can checkout [05:49] ya, rock on [05:49] nixternal: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh [05:49] yep same. it was glx but [05:50] I just realised I have the same card [05:50] ok brb y0 [05:50] oh dang [05:50] Thats why my X keeps locking up since Gutsy [05:50] hrmm [05:50] daskreech: research that :) [05:50] find out why the 9600's crap out [05:50] you know, if X doesn't lock up, it just goes black [05:51] and that happens on Ubuntu as well [05:51] nixternal: You just said that only KDE4 locks up on you [05:51] yes, but the others will black screen [05:52] like shut off, as I can still ssh into them with anything other than KDE 4 [05:54] how come kdepim builds a hell of a lot easier than kdewebdev?!?! [05:54] this is annoying the hell out of me [05:54] Oh I don't have another computer so I can't do that [06:02] startkde log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16762/ [06:02] likely kwin: X Error (error: GLXBadContext[GLX+0], request: X_GLXDestroyContext[GLX+4], resource: 0x1e00003) [06:03] flaccid: show that off in #kde-devel and see if you get any hits on that [06:03] no cpu useage on hang when checked in top by remote host ssh [06:03] okies [06:03] I am wondering if this is due to what aseigo talked about by pushing the limits of xorg many months back in a blog post [06:04] it might of started occuring with the last pkg update [06:06] it has been happening to me for a while actually [06:06] i think i should test with a fresh user as well to see if it crashes [06:06] Happening since gutsy for me [06:07] since Gutsy when it was +1 [06:07] like 4 hours after updating to it [06:07] and this is fglrx? [07:25] <\sh> nixternal, now you have to pay me really a good bunch of bucks for being such a slimer ,-> (Re: core-dev) === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi [08:20] morning all [09:55] seems like the new wikia search doesn't work in konqueror? the simple term of "trondheim" leads to a javascript error, but works fine in FF [10:13] nixternal: hey im not crashing now with your packages [12:25] hi. if i wanna compile kde4 from svn. do i have to remove all the kde4-ppa-packages or may i install it parallel to kde 3.5.8 and kde 4.0? [12:25] kubuntu 7.10 btw [12:29] maltedik: did you check the kubuntu PPA for it. Im fairly sure that they have kde4 packages there so add repos to your sources.list and install, instructions should be on kubuntu.org somewhere [12:29] although i think they made it able to run side by side for gutsy packages [12:30] there are kde 4.0 packages. but i want kde 4.bleedingedge [12:30] * Nightrose waves at maltedik [12:31] but i guess i just set up a 8.04 on an extra partition so i can fury around as i wish [12:31] moinmoin [12:34] <\sh> maltedik, poke apachelogger [12:35] i will when i come back on this before-mentioned dev-partition [12:35] (sorry, sometimes i think by spamming on irc ;)) [12:36] * gnomefreak thought they would have updated it when they updated intrepid version [12:37] <\sh> gnomefreak, 4.1beta is coming from nixternal...but 4.bleedingheadandnoseandlips apachelogger is working on it [12:37] \sh: oh [13:06] how do you remove these annoying sound when you minimize/maximize/close/open a window in KDE4? [13:06] *sounds [13:07] smarter: Systemsettings -> notifications [13:08] that's what I did [13:08] but I can't find them [13:08] It's not under "The KDE Window Manager" entry in the Event source combobox? [13:09] oh thanks, didn't look at that one [13:09] (these sounds should be disabled by default in 8.10 imho) [13:10] They will, I believe [13:14] it is planned according to the specs from uds [13:24] Nightrose: great :) [13:24] * smarter is going to update the oxygen cursors package [13:45] hi guys, i have had a persistent problem with the toggle keys stopping working. shift and capslock, numlock. alt and control [13:45] showkeys is showing that the keys are giving input [13:45] i have tried posting in forums and on #kubuntu for a while but no one seems to know [13:45] wits end etc [13:46] actually. it may have something to do with vmware [13:47] ok, your keyboard layout may not be correct. [13:48] nosrednaekim: it works fine on boot then stops. [13:48] so i dont think it is keyboard layout [13:48] so it works fin on the login screen? [13:48] yes [13:49] mooper: ok, try this, move your .kde to kde-backup and see if that fixes it. [13:51] oh, and in the future please do not ask support questions here. [13:52] nosrednaekim: please see my third post [13:52] i have been trying to find a solution from all channels [13:52] your a last resort [13:54] ok, did you move your .kde? [13:57] yes [13:57] ok, log out and then back in again [14:04] nosrednaekim: It crashed :| Im not having fun with proprietary ati drivers [14:04] what crashed? [14:04] my machine [14:05] When I tried to log out [14:05] no response fro [14:05] m input [14:05] I HAVE CAPS NOW THO [14:05] so how did you get back in? [14:05] but that doesnt really prove anything. rebooting usually fixes the problem [14:06] <\sh> mooper, you are using vmware-server console? [14:06] oh I know what you ati driver problem is...just a sec [14:06] nosrednaekim: Its actually a vmware problem [14:06] \sh: yes, exactly [14:06] <\sh> mooper, it's vmware...it locks your keys randomly and doesn't give it back to the xserver...call vmware [14:07] \sh: ha, if I was paying for the server console maybe? [14:07] <\sh> it happens under gnome and kde...so no "real" problem [14:07] <\sh> mooper, you can file a bug on vmware pages [14:07] \sh thats almost funny [14:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/ [14:08] Launchpad bug 118605 in linux-restricted-modules-envy-2.6.24 "[fglrx] freezes upon Logout or Switch user [patch]" [Undecided,In progress] [14:08] <\sh> mooper, serious...it's not all the time reproducable only sometimes...and then you can relog and it works again...it's annoying but definitly a vmware console problem [14:08] \sh: you can supposedly fix it by resetting to default keyboard in gnome [14:09] \sh they are no longer developing the vmware-server thing [14:10] <\sh> mooper, if it works, nice..for me it didn't work [14:10] <\sh> even pulling out the keyboard didn't help [14:10] I dont have gnome so I didnt test [14:10] ah, to be at the bleeding edge of computing [14:10] <\sh> mooper, what? vmware-server 2.x is coming along :) [14:11] \sh, really? [14:11] <\sh> mooper, http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ [14:12] ooh, have you used the beta [14:12] ? [14:12] I thought server was dead [14:12] <\sh> mooper, I'm using 1.0.5 on this machine...to run windows for vmware virtual infrastructure client for esx [14:15] <\sh> mooper, btw...the problem with the keyboard only occurs when you are in fullscreen mode...running only the console and not switching into fullscreen works nice [14:15] \sh I never use full screen cos I have a dual head setup. vmware on one side and host on the other [14:17] <\sh> mooper, with fullscreen I mean: running vmware guest in fullscreen...not the console... [14:18] yeh, I dig. when you full screen on dual head it just clones itself in both screens [14:19] I have it in console [14:19] <\sh> nope :) [14:19] I think Ill upgrade to 1.06 [14:20] \sh: nope? [14:21] <\sh> mooper, with ati x300 in dual head mode, it was running on one screen..the second screen was showing the desktop, but locked mouse in the guest you always needed to ctrl+alt to move the mouse back to the real desktop [14:21] <\sh> (that was with < 1.0.4 these days) [14:22] \sh: I just have the console, I never worked out how to get it to full screen [14:23] <\sh> install vmware-tools (when running windows) and push the button...running linux in vmware just works like that (host: linux, guest: linux) [14:23] <\sh> anyways offtopic now ;) === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [16:52] mornin' [16:53] good morning [16:54] * apachelogger gives nixternal a good whereiskde41beta1morning hug :) [16:55] in the ppa [16:55] where it has been the past couple of days [16:55] finished, except for kdepim [16:55] morning nixternal :) [16:55] gwenview? or is that extragear [16:56] gwenview is in graphics, updated as well [16:56] * Nightrose wonders if it is save to update to beta 1 or if she should wait [16:56] * nosrednaekim grabs it [16:56] * apachelogger gets a plate with cookies for nixternal [16:57] Nightrose: you already talked about broken when kickoff launched the wrong application... [16:57] hehe [16:57] that was just to tease you :P [16:58] and still that was broken assuming it should have been sandboxed [16:59] nah nah [16:59] you said your KDE is broken [16:59] not the sandbox :P [16:59] as if this would change anything... ;-) [17:00] Nightrose: new sandbox should be finished soon [17:00] cool [17:00] sure, you can break the KDE [17:00] you can't break my sandbox [17:00] ;-) [17:00] of course [17:00] considering it starts working at some point :S [17:26] holy... -.- i missed the kubuntu meeting >.< [17:26] no you didn't [17:26] it is at 22:00 UTC [17:26] O.o [17:27] @now [17:27] nixternal: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 04 2008, 16:29:04 - Current meeting: LoCo Council [17:27] @schedule [17:27] nixternal: Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 21:00: Server Team | 04 Jun 22:00: Kubuntu Team | 05 Jun 01:00: Americas Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 05 Jun 13:00: Desktop Team | 05 Jun 20:00: Security Team [17:27] @schedule caracas [17:27] santiago-ve: Schedule for America/Caracas: Current meeting: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 16:30: Server Team | 04 Jun 17:30: Kubuntu Team | 04 Jun 20:30: Americas Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 05 Jun 08:30: Desktop Team | 05 Jun 15:30: Security Team [17:27] yay good! [17:27] :D [17:28] ooh, you are 30 minutes ahead of me :) [17:28] i got confused 'cause there's an membership approval on #ubuntu-meeting i think~ [17:28] nixternal, :p [17:28] 30 minutes? what? I thought everything was in clean hours [17:29] nosrednaekim, we have a "new" time zone [17:29] in venezuela ;) [17:30] heh... oh... and whats the cost of gas down there? [17:30] ^_^ [17:30] nosrednaekim, err... less than a dollar as far as i remember [17:31] dang.. [17:31] :p [17:31] cheap eh? [17:33] uhh yeah [17:34] its like $3.90 here [17:34] :p [17:34] well but you have cheap laptops :p we dont [17:34] xD [17:34] haha [17:36] ohhhhhhhh yesh [17:36] btw... guys i have a "small" problem when trying to put my blog on the planet.ubuntu.com [17:36] ok, I just did that, whats the problem? [17:37] it says public key error [17:37] Permission denied (publickey). [17:37] santiago-ve: did you update and regenerate your keys for the for the debian ssh bug? [17:38] w00t, kdepim built [17:38] well i updated my whole system... and then re-generated a new key and all [17:39] did you upload the new key to launchpad? [17:40] yep [17:40] when? [17:40] like... 2 days ago [17:40] oh [17:41] apachelogger: on kubuntu 8.04, may i compile kde-trunk with the qt-libs shipped or do i need to compile them, too? [17:41] I think the wiki page has a channel to go to for support [17:41] nosrednaekim, for launchpad? [17:41] santiago-ve: what push command are you using? [17:42] for hlp with getting your planet ID [17:43] Riddell, bzr checkout bzr+ssh://469@bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main planet-ubuntu [17:44] santiago-ve: your username is 469? [17:44] nosrednaekim, ye [17:44] o_O [17:44] you can have numbers in a username? I did not know that [17:45] ye... and my mail @ubuntu.com works :p [17:46] Riddell, nosrednaekim i even fixed my bzr~ for bug #230294... [17:46] Launchpad bug 230294 in bzr "ERROR: bzrlib.errors.KnitCorrupt: Knit corrupt: attempt to add line-delta in non-delta knit" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230294 [17:46] bleh no fix for kwin memory leak in 4.0.5 according to the changelog [17:47] santiago-ve: there's no ssh key on https://edge.launchpad.net/~469 [17:48] Nightrose: you were backporting the fix for that? [17:48] yuriy: it is on my todo - didn't get around to it yet - sorry [17:49] yuriy: want to do it? [17:50] Riddell, http://imagenes.zarate.net.ve/varias/launchpad.png [17:50] Riddell: are there going to be 4.0.5 packages soon? how would i go about getting the fix for bug 205073 into those? [17:50] Launchpad bug 205073 in kdebase-workspace "Memory leaks in kwin process (kwin-kde4) with Enabled desktop effects" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205073 [17:51] yuriy: is there a patch [17:51] santiago-ve: oh aye, so there is [17:51] ye.. [17:52] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/layers.cpp?r1=800581&r2=804132 in trunk, checking if maybe it's already in 4.0.5 [17:53] santiago-ve: can you checkout? [17:53] Riddell: ah, nevermind, it should already be in 4.0.5: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.0/kdebase/workspace/kwin/layers.cpp?r1=803345&r2=804133 [17:54] Riddell, nope... it says Permission denied (publickey). [17:55] Riddell, may be the hostname? (my machine's name is orchid.zarate.net.ve) [17:55] kiyu86t [17:56] Riddell: who is doing 4.0.5? [17:56] Riddell: what do you know about kmobiletools and kpilot in kdepim, is it ready to be built? according to alioth it isn't [17:56] apachelogger: me it seems [17:56] Riddell: I can work on them [17:56] nixternal: you're doing 4.1! [17:56] I am about to finish up the 4.1 betas with kdepim and the 4.0.5's should be pretty easy [17:56] oh well [17:56] nix has time [17:56] * apachelogger continues fixing kde-nightly [17:57] now if people want to help build the 4.0.5's that would be great *cough* stdin *cough* yuriy *cough* apachelogger *cough* :) [17:57] nixternal: sure, where do I start? [17:57] nixternal: you are just trying to get apachelogger behind in the race for the first complete packages :P [17:57] yuriy: kdelibs :) [17:58] nosrednaekim: my packages are complete [17:58] nosrednaekim: my 4.1's are complete...I can upload kdepim right now [17:58] I so won the race :P [17:58] * santiago-ve walks to the corner... with his "Packaging for dummies" and "Kubuntu/Todo" books [17:58] but I am interested in seeing if I can include kmobiletools and kpilot [17:58] but from a usability point of view the current stack is worthless [17:58] apachelogger: you finished all of the kde modules as well? [17:58] nixternal: I seem to have kmobiletools and kpilot packages for 4.0.80 in intrepid [17:58] oh [17:58] nixternal: how's this work? get tarball, copy over debian, remove unneeded patches, dch -i, debuild -S ... that right? then what? [17:58] well damn, when I looked, kdepim wasn't there [17:59] nixternal: well, if you want to explain people why ppa is under constant KDE load, I sure will do :P [17:59] yuriy: gotta check for new files with 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp' [18:00] Riddell: where is the kdepim package for intrepid? [18:00] nixternal: on my hard disk until it has a hope of compiling in main [18:00] hehe [18:00] or even in universe [18:01] can you upload the debian directory so I can grab it? [18:01] did you build it locally yet? [18:01] ok [18:01] yes I did [18:01] works for me [18:02] groovy, I have a kdepim package for 4.0.80 that builds, but not everything is getting installed because I grabbed the stuff out of Debian [18:04] nixternal: for the original .tar.bz2, do I extract it, then recompress as tar.gz and rename to .orig.tar.gz? [18:05] bunzip foobar.tar.bz2 [18:05] gzip foobar.tar [18:05] tar -xf foobar.tar.bz2 [18:05] then you need to rename the extracted directory to foo-kde4-4.0.5 [18:05] cd foo-kde4-4.0.5 [18:06] dh_make -e foo@foo.com -f ../foobar.tar.bz2 [18:06] answer the questions [18:06] actually, shoot, I was going through creating a new package [18:06] haha [18:06] nixternal: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/debian.tar.gz [18:06] thanks Riddell! [18:06] sounded like it, didn't think I needed a dh_make here [18:08] * apachelogger logs into pbuilder [18:09] gzip -9 foobar.tar [18:10] you don't need to rename the extracted directory to foo-kde4-4.0.5 (although it might help stop confusion, certainly don't rename it in the tar) [18:10] yuriy: no dh_make indeed, just get the 4.0.4 version from hardy-backports and copy the debian directory [18:12] Riddell: ok, how about 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp' [18:12] how does that work and when do I do it [18:12] yuriy: the time consuming part is that you need to compile it first (debuild) [18:14] should I be using pbuilder for that? [18:14] should/can [18:14] with pbuilder you can't run 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp' [18:14] so no, just your hardy system [18:14] yuriy: what kde modules are you going to start with? [18:15] Riddell: working on libs now [18:15] hardcore :) [18:15] Riddell: why can't one run that in hardy? [18:15] errr [18:15] mind that's kde4libs (not -kde4) [18:15] pbuilder [18:16] apachelogger: you can run pbuilder, but I don't know how you'd then run 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp' since it cleans up the build tree [18:16] Riddell: pbuilder login [18:16] i.e. bascially just chroot the build [18:16] apachelogger: and run the build manually? [18:16] yup [18:17] right, you can do that, but I'd just do it in my own made chroot [18:17] if I had one, I would do that ;-) [18:19] yuriy: I've added you to ~kubuntu-updates-testing so you can dput it there once you've checked it builds and doesn't have new files [18:21] * Riddell goes out shopping [18:21] shesh-.. this is driving me crazi [18:21] lol [18:21] crazy* [18:21] santiago-ve: try asking on #launchpad [18:21] Riddell, i am [18:21] :p [18:21] but no answrs lol [18:22] santiago-ve: can you log in to machines with ssh using your key? [18:22] ye [18:22] tested it on 3 different machines [18:23] ima test something with my other comp [18:24] santiago-ve: can you checkout an archive beloning to ~kubuntu-users? [18:25] hrmm, kdepim relies on kghostview from 3.5.9...what is the status of a kde4 version of kghostview? [18:30] nixternal: dead at the hands of okular? [18:30] kghostview is the one that's ligature now, right? [18:44] hum [18:44] god, I hate interviews -.- [18:45] Nightrose: which word would you choose to describe me? [18:45] Riddell, tellme one.. and ill try [18:45] apachelogger: you don't want me to say that in public do you? *g* [18:45] apachelogger: sleepy [18:45] jeez [18:45] nixternal: which word would you choose to describe me? [18:45] or Riddell [18:46] or something I can trust :P [18:46] s/something/someone [18:46] apachelogger: dedicated and dependable [18:47] I am dependable? [18:47] I'D say so yes [18:47] Nightrose: how about strange? [18:47] hehe worksforme [18:47] k [18:48] yet... i've tried 2 archives and none is working [18:56] apachelogger: strange is a given, but if I had to pick one word it would be: strangepassionatededicateddependablesupercalifragilisticexpialidoshus [18:57] nixternal: lol [18:58] Riddell, nixternal fixed my problem [18:58] its a lp bug [18:59] Riddell: kubuntu-updates-testing? what is this team for exactly? [18:59] yuriy: there was a group created to help out testing kubuntu [18:59] and i don't think it ever went anywhere [19:00] jjesse: kubuntu-testers you mean? [19:03] you think apachelogger is strange? i mean, its a relative term, but i havent met any really strange dev so far [19:03] uh [19:03] ^_^ [19:03] maltedik: we should meat in real life then [19:04] we have. i may not have introduced myself properly then :D [19:05] not with nick I guess [19:05] i was one of those kde-guys - the one who came late to the c-base party and who got some beer [19:05] then again, I think we should make our real lifes based n nicks anyway :D [19:05] maltedik is quite reallife [19:05] *reads* [19:05] haha [19:05] indeed :D [19:05] but you might call me Malte ;) [19:05] done guys: bug #237411 [19:05] * apachelogger blushes [19:06] santiago-ve: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The connect operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/237411/+text) [19:06] Nightrose: now really, was I less strange @ LT? [19:06] but now to the word describing you best. next to dedicated would be "bold" i guess :> [19:06] Riddell: need to remove the .svn from the kde4pim debian/ directories [19:06] apachelogger: nope - just normal strange - as always ;-) [19:07] maltedik: reasonable but changing on an average level :P [19:07] yay new great post for when i include myself on planet.ubuntu.com [19:07] maltedik: ok, your definition of strange is fckd-up [19:07] well im out... Riddell, nosrednaekim thx for the halp [19:08] * apachelogger hands santiago-ve a cookie [19:08] cya [19:08] ive seen so many strange things/people. most of the LT-visitors were WAY stranger than any exhibitor [19:09] hm [19:09] I had contact with exactly 4 visitors, the rest of the time I either was asleep or was forced to work on kde-nightly :S [19:10] ah, well, people I met while smoking not included [19:12] maltedik: do you have a thinkpad? [19:13] the only mobile device i own is a nokia 8210 [19:14] these KDE guys and their nokie :P [19:14] its bout 6 years old [19:15] theres no qt/kde technology built in for sure :D [19:15] sebas: please test kopete-plugin-thinklight from hardy-proposed and add a commment to bug 221531 [19:15] apachelogger: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The connect operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/221531/+text) [19:16]