[15:27] <kwwii> andreasn: ping? do you have an svg of a bug? I remember you made a nice one
[15:28] <andreasn> I didn't make one, but Sebastian Kraft (I think it was him anyway) did one
[15:28] <andreasn> I just did a 256x256px variant of it
[15:28] <andreasn> let me see if I can find it
[15:41] <andreasn> kwwii: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=82506&action=view
[15:42] <andreasn> kwwii: and http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/bug-buddy.svg
[15:45] <kwwii> andreasn: thanks :-)
[15:52] <DanaG> Seen this thing?  I like it except for the blatant branding (logo and name): http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Wallpaper-1-87094933
[16:46] <andreasn> kwwii: np
[18:36] <Cimi> kwwii, no new theme in intrepid, mirco is too busy with face-browser
[19:19] <kwwii> Cimi: I can still put in a murrine theme
[19:20] <Cimi> kwwii, I think that we could have transparency in ubuntu 9.10
[19:21] <Cimi> because could be that the next gtk version will be released in august 2009
[19:23] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, I assumed we will have to live without transparency this time around
[19:23] <Cimi> but that sucks
[19:23] <kwwii> yes, that does suck
[19:23] <Cimi> because this means we may don't have a stable transparency for 10.04
[19:23] <Cimi> drivers needs to be updated
[19:24] <kwwii> I mean, we could ship with any all plugins turned on if it looks good
[19:24] <Cimi> and fixed
[19:24] <Cimi> It won't
[19:24] <Cimi> and it will crash
[19:24] <kwwii> perhaps we could pick a couple of apps and test it
[19:24] <kwwii> I haven't tested any plugins yet
[19:24] <Cimi> because the issues remains
[19:24] <kwwii> it does look good in the terminal though :-)
[19:24] <Cimi> you can't use an application with a system tray
[19:24] <kwwii> ouch, right
[19:24] <kwwii> that does suck
[19:24] <Cimi> yeah
[19:25] <kwwii> the system tray needs fixing anyway
[19:25] <Cimi> but as said
[19:25] <Cimi> mirco is not going to fix
[19:26] <kwwii> I think that I will post a screenshot with and without transparency to mark and tell him that if we want it we have to pay for it
[19:26] <Cimi> unless someone inside ubuntu decide that rgba is more important
[19:26] <Cimi> not to pay
[19:26] <kwwii> ie. someone at or for canonical has to do it
[19:26] <Cimi> just change the priority
[19:26] <Cimi> mirco could work on this instead gdm
[19:26] <kwwii> the problem with gdm is that he has been working on that for more than a year
[19:26] <Cimi> gdm face browser is IMHO *fucking useless*
[19:26] <kwwii> so they really want him to finish this up
[19:27] <Cimi> 99% of the PCs have just 1 account installed
[19:27] <kwwii> yeah, I thought about that too
[19:27] <kwwii> and you only spend like 30s at that screen
[19:27] <Cimi> and 99% of the time on your pc is supposed to be inside your DE, not on the DM!
[19:28] <Cimi> fucking useless
[19:28] <Cimi> as said
[19:28] <Cimi> a lot of time and money wasted
[19:28] <Cimi> and as consequence
[19:28] <Cimi> we won't have transparency for more then 2 years
[19:29] <Cimi> because the testing period will start in 9.10, and maybe won't be stable in time for 10.4
[19:34] <DanaG> I'd rather they figure out a way to get native-resolution framebuffer.
[19:35] <DanaG> Having usplash all stretched out of whack is annoying.
[19:35] <DanaG> One workaround: calculate a way to compensate for the stretching, by reverse-stretching.
[19:39] <Cimi> v86d does the trick
[19:40] <Cimi> you can use every resolution you like
[19:41] <DanaG> Even ones that aren't in the VBE modes?
[19:43] <kwwii> as far as framebuffers go, I think that there will always be problems
[19:43] <DanaG> I wonder if there's any reliable way to detect whether the LCD stretches.
[19:44] <DanaG> If console uses AxB and Xorg uses CxD, stretch the splash to make it look like it matches the latter.
[19:49] <Cimi> DanaG, you can use archlinux ;)
[19:50] <DanaG> What does that have to do with anything?
[19:50] <DanaG> =þ