[06:15] <Syntux> @schedule Amman
[06:32] <nickellery> @schedule Vancouver
[08:35] <paul928> !approval
[08:37] <paul928> !loco
[09:41] <leoquant> @schedule Amsterdam
[12:01] <amachu_> hi
[12:02] <amachu___> hi
[12:02] <amachu___> ping
[12:02] <amachu___> any one from Asia Oceania Membership Council
[12:02] <TheMuso> Yep.
[12:03] <persia> SOrry I'm late
[12:03] <amachu___> hi
[12:04] <zakame> hi
[12:04] <amachu___> persia: ?
[12:04] <persia> amachu___ ?
[12:04] <zakame> hmm somebody set up squid on mekong?
[12:06] <amachu___> TheMuso: Hi
[12:07] <TheMuso> Greetings amachu___ and all.
[12:07] <amachu___> Welcome
[12:07] <amachu___> so this time is fine with you..
[12:08] <amachu___> great..
[12:08] <persia> For today: Wednesdays are my least good day.
[12:09] <TheMuso> I can do this time any night of the week except Mondays.
[12:09] <amachu___> persia: means?
[12:09] <persia> amachu_: The time is good, but the day is awkward.  I'd prefer Tuesday, Thursday, or Friday (as I don't want to miss TheMuso)
[12:09] <zakame> hehe
[12:10] <persia> lifeless? elky? Are you active?
[12:10] <zakame> I'm ready any day except weekends (we're very irc-centric at work heh)
[12:10] <elky> yep
[12:10] <amachu___> persia: Ok
[12:11] <persia> Belutz seems off IRC now.
[12:11] <amachu___> zakame: thats great
[12:11] <amachu___> :-)
[12:12] <amachu___> i am ok with any day too
[12:12] <amachu___> so as of now we have tueday, thursday, friday falling common to all of us here :-)
[12:13] <persia> elky: Which of those is best for you?
[12:14] <elky> persia, friday sucks for me as it's lug night once a month, thursday sucks for me as i'm usually on a conf call
[12:14] <elky> so tuesday
[12:15] <persia> So, from now, Tuesdays at 11:00 (starting next week)?
[12:15] <amachu___> i am ok
[12:15] <TheMuso> SOunds good to me.
[12:15] <persia> Also, we've only two applicants despite being the last regional team to get organised.  Do we want weekly, or fortnightly?
[12:16] <elky> i think you'll find we only have too applicants *because* we're the last regional team to get organised
[12:17] <persia> Weekly, then, at least for now.
[12:17] <amachu___> persia: Ok with me
[12:17] <elky> yeah. easier to get the evening back than it is to give it away
[12:17] <persia> OK.  Last item of internal business: how do we want to distribute reporting activities?  Shall we have a single secretary?  Who?  Shall we delegate responsibilities around so nobody has too much?
[12:18] <elky> i am an utter fail as a secretary for the fact i do too many things at once.
[12:18] <TheMuso> I won't have the time to do it unfortunately.
[12:18] <persia> amachu_? zakame?
[12:19] <amachu___> fine, let me take it up intially
[12:19] <persia> Hurrah!  We have a secretary!
[12:19]  * persia presents amachu_ with the box containing a shiny gavel to run the meeting
[12:19] <zakame> ka-ching!
[12:20] <amachu___> :D
[12:21] <amachu___> persia: so let me sum up, we are going to have meeting every tuesday, 11.00 AM UTC
[12:21] <TheMuso> SOunds good.
[12:21]  * persia can do that time
[12:21] <amachu___> zakame: ka-ching?
[12:21] <elky> yep
[12:22] <zakame> amachu___: sound effect for the gavel, but probably the wrong one :D
[12:22] <zakame> tuesdays are good :)
[12:22] <amachu___> great!
[12:22] <zakame> its meeting day for me
[12:23] <amachu___> so let me take up the responsibility of editing the wiki page right now ;-)
[12:27] <amachu___> So its 10 June 2008, Tuesday, 11.00 AM UTC
[12:27] <persia> (and 17, 24, July 1, 8, 15, 22, 29...)
[12:27] <amachu___> persia: :-)
[12:28] <persia> Our first meeting will be 10th June?  I think we ought hear applicants, if they happen to be here tonight.
[12:28] <persia> They were sent mail about it a few days ago (although no black marks if they aren't here)
[12:29] <amachu___> persia: yes. I have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[12:29] <persia> Well, not here anyway, so my point is moot.
[12:29] <amachu___> persia: yes, are they here?
[12:29] <amachu___> no, i suppose
[12:30]  * bimberi could pretend.  For practice ;)
[12:31] <amachu___> what else, whom should we update so that the title of this channel will be updated to reflect our decision?
[12:31] <persia> Used to be fridge-devel, but there's a new list which name escapes me.
[12:32] <persia> Ah.  ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:44]  * persia edits the wiki page again to use the linky widget, and wonders if this meeting is adjourned, or just quiet
[12:45] <amachu> i was lost, i beleive
[12:47] <amachu> persia: hi
[12:47] <persia> amachu: Welcome.  You're looking healthier :)
[12:48] <amachu> ha..
[12:49] <amachu> fine, i am in ubuntu-news-team and i will update the list about the next week's meeting
[12:49] <amachu> any thing else that we need to do?
[12:49] <persia> I've just noticed that we'll collide with the Community Council meeting on the third Tuesday of each month.  On the other hand, they never schedule in advance, and have at least rescheduled the 17th June meeting.
[12:51] <bimberi> You should contact people at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda and ask them if they're still interested in applying
[12:51] <amachu> persia: are you referring to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:51] <persia> amachu: Indeed.
[12:52] <amachu> yes it says 11.00 UTC
[12:52] <persia> The fridge events list looks empty, but...
[12:52] <lifeless> hi
[12:52] <lifeless> I am sorry I am late
[12:52] <lifeless> but as previously indicated, timings are tricky
[12:52] <persia> lifeless: No worries.  We decided to have meetings on Tuesdays at 11:00, and amachu volunteered to be secretary.
[12:52] <lifeless> 11UTC ?
[12:52] <persia> Yes.
[12:53] <lifeless> thats about the best possible locus for me
[12:53] <persia> Excellent!
[12:53] <persia> Of course, there's the possible conflict with the CC on the third Tuesday of each month, but we can deal with that later.
[12:56] <amachu__> hi
[12:57] <amachu_> i internet connection is poor, breaking and backing
[12:57] <amachu_> now
[12:57] <amachu__> ok
[12:58] <amachu_> persia:  we will go ahead with next week's plan as decided
[12:58] <persia> amachu: Sounds perfect to me :)
[12:58] <amachu_> thanks
[12:58]  * persia is talkative, but not necessarily authoritative
[12:59] <amachu_> i will also update the ubuntu-news-team now
[13:00] <amachu_> will the channel operator get it reflected here then?
[13:01] <persia> Yep.
[13:01] <bimberi> amachu_: the topic is updated automatically by ubottu (using data from the Fridge iirc)
[13:02] <persia> It just needs someone to add the items to the fridge to appear.
[13:13] <amachu> ??
[13:13] <amachu> hi
[13:13] <elkbuntu> you didnt miss anythng
[13:14] <amachu> elkbuntu: :-)
[13:14] <amachu> so shall we wind up today's meeting
[13:14] <amachu> any thing to discuss?
[13:15] <amachu> i just mailed ubuntu-news-team about the meeting
[13:15] <amachu> scheduled for next week
[13:18] <amachu> persia: there?
[13:18] <persia> Yes
[13:19] <amachu> shall we depart for now
[13:19] <zakame> okies
[13:19] <amachu> i wil mail the list about the decisions and sum up now too
[13:20] <persia> amachu: Thanks again for taking on the role of secretary
[13:20] <amachu> 1) Our next meeting on 10 June 08, 11.00 AM UTC
[13:20] <amachu> persia: hope to do it better. thank you.
[13:21] <amachu> thank you all for joining today
[13:21] <amachu> :-)
[13:21] <amachu> bye
[13:24] <zakame> bye
[13:26] <persia> bye
[13:27] <amachu__> persia: hope to do it better. thank you.
[13:27] <amachu__> thank you all for joing today
[13:27] <amachu__> bye for now
[13:28] <Seeker`> what meeting was that?
[13:29] <persia> Seeker`: Organisational meeting for the Asia-Oceania Regional Membership Board
[13:29] <Seeker`> ah, cool
[14:21] <effie_jayx> @now
[14:39] <santiago-ve> @time
[14:40] <santiago-ve> @time Caracas
[14:40] <hacktick> @time São Paulo
[14:41] <hacktick> @time Sao_Paulo
[14:50] <lukehasnoname> @time yesterday
[14:50] <lukehasnoname> @yesterday
[14:50]  * lukehasnoname laughs
[14:51] <hacktick> ^^
[14:52] <hacktick> @time
[14:52] <persia> Erm.  Please stop abusing the bot.  With too much abuse, it dies, and is hard to get back :(
[14:52]  * hacktick wonders why that time is different to my system clock
[14:54] <persia> The bot hosting system has different synchronisation with NTP?
[14:57] <lukehasnoname> the bot dies? They are immortal! Look at Data. If Shinzon hadn't tried to destroy Earth... maybe.... I DON'T WANT TO TIHNK ABOUT IT
[14:57] <hacktick> my system time seems to be ok.
[15:07] <Mau_ec> Buenos Días
[15:10] <hacktick> bom dia
[15:15] <Pretto> hacktick, aqui só fala ingles
[15:35] <hacktick> Mau_ec: começou não falar inglês!
[16:00] <hacktick> Pretto: are you in contact with the brazilian LoCo council?
[16:00] <Pretto> hacktick, yeap why?
[16:05] <hacktick> Im frustrated with lots of things wich are not working in brazil. Im preparing an email to the council.
[16:12] <Syntux> @schedule Amman
[16:13] <Syntux> @schedule utc
[16:20] <viperhoot> @schedule lima
[16:35] <boredandblogging> @now
[16:39]  * lukehasnoname eats lunch in 22 minutes
[16:42] <JanC> hm, 2 LoCo-candidates were added yesterday?
[16:42] <boredandblogging> JanC: looks like it
[16:47] <nxvl> boredandblogging: :D
[16:47] <estebandid0> alquien de ecuador??
[16:47] <eddieftw> hola estebandid0
[16:47] <viperhoot> nxvl: tu acá ?
[16:47] <alex-ec> hola estebandid0
[16:47] <alex-ec> yo de Ecuador
[16:48] <alex-ec> :D
[16:48] <hubuntu> for what's worth Ubuntu-ec was in the approval process right when they changed the way things are done in the middle of april
[16:48] <eddieftw> hi effie_jayx
[16:48] <nxvl> viperhoot: there isn't any security system that can stop me :D
[16:48] <pedro_> Spanish Mafia?
[16:48] <viperhoot> hahha
[16:48] <nxvl> viperhoot: the proxies are never a solution
[16:48] <viperhoot> nxvl: quien es el contacto ?
[16:49] <nxvl> viperhoot: english please, the council
[16:49] <viperhoot> pedro_: latin mafia :P
[16:49] <xander21c> Hello :D
[16:49] <viperhoot> hhha
[16:49] <word> viperhoot: i think if he told you he'd have to let you sleep with the fishes :P
[16:49] <pedro_> viperhoot: those ones are worst :-PP
[16:50] <viperhoot> hahaha
[16:50] <viperhoot> @schedule lima
[16:50] <viperhoot> 10
[16:50] <alex-ec> sorry people
[16:51] <alex-ec> only english :)
[16:51] <word> english ftw
[16:52] <estebandid0> ok got it
[16:53] <effie_jayx> popey
[16:56] <JanC> hm, wiki down ?
[16:57] <boredandblogging> JanC: seems ok here
[16:57] <boredandblogging> @now
[16:57] <johnc4510> JanC: wiki ok here
[16:58] <boredandblogging> popey: ping
[16:58] <huats> hi everyone
[16:58] <pedro_> heno: there's a loco meeting going on at 16:00 here, shall we move the qa one to another channel?
[16:59] <stgraber> pedro_: we really should make sure the QA one is on the fridge as well :)
[16:59] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC, popey: how about we go through the LoCos first and then come back to the agenda?
[16:59] <pedro_> jcastro: ^ ;-)
[17:00] <heno> pedro_: right, let's use #ubuntu-testing
[17:00] <cgregan> heno, pedro_: Shall we move over to #ubuntu-testing?
[17:00] <zkorpio> hi everybody
[17:00] <effie_jayx> Hello
[17:00] <pedro_> heno: going now
[17:00] <alex-ec> hello zkorpio
[17:00] <heno> cgregan: yep, let's
[17:00] <JanC> boredandblogging: is okay for me
[17:01] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: are you ok with that?
[17:02] <effie_jayx> Sure
[17:02] <boredandblogging> juliux said that he might not be able to make it
[17:03] <boredandblogging> so 3 of 5 members are here, should we start?
[17:04] <boredandblogging> anyone from Jordan here?
[17:04] <Syntux> yes
[17:05] <Syntux> I'm the LoCo contact/leader of Jordan and I was expecting three of the team to be with me but apparently they couldn't make it.
[17:05] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC: since we got 3, lets start
[17:06] <JanC> okay
[17:07] <boredandblogging> Syntux: you want to give an intro?
[17:07] <Syntux> boredandblogging, nothing much other than what's in the wiki
[17:07] <Syntux> but I would like to emphasis that we are not a social group and so we encourage joining if the candid can contribute and only contribute to the team activities.
[17:08] <boredandblogging> Syntux: most of your focus seems to be at the university level, have you reached out in any other way?
[17:08] <Syntux> we are not trying to replace the local lug in its social activities and we are trying to build a team of qualified people to spread the word properly.
[17:08] <popey> sorry guys
[17:08] <Syntux> boredandblogging, we do have plans for small computer shop https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-jo/2008-June/000147.html
[17:09] <JanC> Syntux: you participate with the LUGs though?
[17:09] <Syntux> unfortunately most of computer shops install FreeDOS if the customer decline paying for MS and that's either because they don;'t know about Linux or they don't know that there is a local group that can provide help
[17:09] <JanC> damn, why can't I get on the wiki  :-(
[17:09] <Syntux> JanC, I'm a core member of Jolug.
[17:10] <Syntux> JanC, and of course as a team we do participate in Jolug social activities although it's not that much
[17:11] <Syntux> one of our plans is to do things slowly, we are not planning to have more than one activity per month which can include lecture, course and install fest
[17:12] <boredandblogging> from the lectures and workshops you have done, have you gotten people interested or using Ubuntu?
[17:12] <Syntux> we are also trying to reach other universities out of the city but yet we don't have good contacts there.
[17:12] <Syntux> boredandblogging, yes we even got some active members out of the lectures
[17:13] <popey> Syntux: do you have any way of "measuing" your membership? do you use mailing list stats, forum stats or launchpad team members?
[17:13] <Syntux> namely Ramy Eid, he's IEEE member in Jordan university and he did all the logistic for us when we head there.
[17:14] <boredandblogging> Syntux: the Ubuntu Lab, did you approach the university to do that?
[17:14] <Syntux> popey, I don't have access to the mailing list stats yet and my team is relatively inactive on forums and launchpad but seriously active on the floor
[17:14] <Syntux> most of them are fresh university students and they do WoW and online gaming rather than IRC, forums and mailing lists.
[17:15] <popey> :)
[17:15] <JanC> Syntux: when did you start with the LoCoTeam (I didn't find anything before March on the application-page that I had open in my browser?)
[17:15] <Syntux> boredandblogging, not as Ubuntu LoCo because of bureaucracy so we had to push some student to ask for it and then they invited us to do it
[17:16] <Syntux> JanC, the first serious activity as a loco team was in March and before I was head hunting and inviting joluggers to join me
[17:16] <boredandblogging> Syntux: will the LoCo be involved in maintenance of the lab or will the university do that?
[17:17] <Syntux> boredandblogging, two university students will handle that plus we gave the lab coordinator a crash course in ubuntu
[17:17] <Syntux> and if thing went out of control we don't mind going to fix it
[17:17] <Syntux> we actually had a plan to sign a contract with the JU so we give them free maintenance if they let us use the lab as our primary lab for the LocO
[17:18] <Syntux> but couple of weeks later we got a better offer from the Royal Scientific Society which include an office, lab and library space
[17:18] <JanC> that's a lot you get  ツ
[17:18] <Syntux> and we still negotiating it with them http://temp.syntux.net/Concept_Letter.pdf as we don't want to sign on something way bigger than our capabilities
[17:19] <Syntux> JanC, we made a good reputation out of the first course and lecture so people started to call asking for the same in their university
[17:19] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  sorry I was on my cellphone. i was following. are you guys documenting your efforts anywhere?
[17:20] <Syntux> we even got some calls from companies who wants to shift their IT infrastructure to Ubuntu
[17:20] <Syntux> but our answer was no, yet we cannot help in that
[17:20] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  sounds like a very interesting project and t would be a wonderful thing t share amonts LoCo teams
[17:20] <Syntux> effie_jayx, other than the two links mentioned in the wiki?, no :-0
[17:20] <Syntux> effie_jayx, already did in the LoCo contact mailing list :D
[17:21] <Syntux> once we agreed with the RSS regarding the National Open Source office thingy we are planning to do some partnership or mediation between Canonical and local companies
[17:22] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  great. sorry my bad, cellphone navigation not as cool
[17:22] <boredandblogging> seems like Jordan is making good progress, but I think a couple more months of this good work is needed
[17:22] <Syntux> surprisingly many companies want to shift (especially after activating copyrights laws in Jordan with MS squad hunting after pirates) but they don't know how or where to get the "Enterprise" support
[17:23] <Syntux> effie_jayx, oh then here you go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanTeam/ApprovalApplication https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanTeam
[17:23] <popey> I am inclined to agree boredandblogging, it's dificult going on the say of one person, rather than a body of evidence (forums, launchpad, mailing lists etc), and this is obviously hard for Syntux, but a good goal to reach for.
[17:23] <JanC> the fact that the first (public) activity was only in March means that the LoCoTeam doesn't exist for at least 4 months yet...
[17:24] <Syntux> JanC, we applied when the condition was three months :-)
[17:24] <Syntux> anyway I do understand that we are relatively new team and we still have long way
[17:24] <popey> that's a minimum, not a maximum
[17:24] <Syntux> I know :D
[17:25] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: thoughts?
[17:25] <effie_jayx> I think a bit of sharing of projects in the mailing list is healthy
[17:25] <Syntux> and by the way, I have sent an email to almost all of you guys asking you about the Concept letter regarding using RSS as our legal umbrella but never heard from you guys
[17:25] <effie_jayx> however i do agree with JanC in the fact that the team should be a bit more of a team effort
[17:25] <Syntux> effie_jayx, can we define "sharing of projects in the mailing lists"
[17:26] <Syntux> we don't want to go in that agreement before we hear from the LCC or CC
[17:26] <boredandblogging> what is RSS?
[17:26] <Syntux> It is a team effort, I'm just a leader or more of coordinator with charisma to get people moving ;)
[17:27] <Syntux> boredandblogging, Royal Scientific Society
[17:27] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  right, then
[17:27] <Syntux> boredandblogging, http://temp.syntux.net/Concept_Letter.pdf
[17:27] <Pretto> hacktick, like what ???
[17:27] <boredandblogging> Syntux: Jordan is starting out well, just keep going
[17:28] <Syntux> the thing about LoCo team or any social activity in Jordan that people are not into such activities
[17:28] <Syntux> so someone has to show them the how-to and give them the directions to do it
[17:28] <Syntux> and this is what I do basically with them, but they do most of the tasks, not me.
[17:29] <boredandblogging> Syntux: keep leading them
[17:29] <boredandblogging> JanC, effie_jayx, popey: do we have consensus? Jordan should come back in a couple of months?
[17:30] <Syntux> especially when it comes to getting inside universities which is something seriously hard in Jordan
[17:30] <popey> boredandblogging: yes
[17:30] <popey> with some more evidence of work done
[17:30] <JanC> boredandblogging: I think that's better yes
[17:30] <Syntux> popey, I have a link with photos and cert regarding every and each task we did
[17:31] <Syntux> or I'm missing something here?
[17:31] <popey> that's great, keep going
[17:31] <JanC> they seem to do great things, just not for long enough
[17:31] <Syntux> or what kind of evidences LCC is looking to see more than photos and certs?
[17:31] <boredandblogging> Syntux: you just need more
[17:32] <Syntux> yeah sure :-)
[17:32] <boredandblogging> and at the rate you are doing them, we want you to come back soon
[17:32] <JanC> Syntux: it should be okay to use an existing legal entity as a proxy for activities (many LoCoTeams already do that occasionally, when they have release parties and such)
[17:32] <Syntux> of course we will
[17:32] <Syntux> JanC, yeah of course but I really would appreciate it if you guys could have a look at the concept letter and give me a feedback on it, just in case.
[17:33] <Syntux> another thing, can we have access to ubuntu-jo.com and mailing list before we become official team?
[17:33] <boredandblogging> canonical probably own ubuntu-jo.org, don't know about .com
[17:34] <Syntux> sorry, .org
[17:34] <boredandblogging> but yes, once approved, you can use the domain
[17:34] <Syntux> so we cannot get it before that?
[17:34] <JanC> a mailing list you can already get IIRC?
[17:34] <popey> yes JanC
[17:34] <Syntux> JanC, yes but I do not have access to it as admin, I don't know how many or who's in it
[17:34] <popey> Syntux: who is the admin?
[17:35] <Syntux> popey, admin of the mailing list
[17:35] <boredandblogging> Syntux: unfortunately, unapproved locos would spend too much time on the website than doing other things like install fests and workshops
[17:35] <boredandblogging> shall we move on El Salvador?
[17:35] <popey> Syntux: can you contact rmyeid+ubuntu@gmail.com?
[17:35] <popey> they are the admin of the ubuntu-jo mailing list
[17:35] <Syntux> well, then we will have to go with our second option which is Nashmi.org which means Ubuntu in Jordanian dialect.
[17:36] <Syntux> popey, I can, but what for?
[17:36] <popey> boredandblogging: surely they can get dns pointing to their own hosting
[17:36] <popey> Syntux: to assist in administering the list
[17:36] <Syntux> popey, ah ok.
[17:36] <boredandblogging> popey: no, not before being approved
[17:37] <boredandblogging> i went through this with Jono last year :-)
[17:37] <popey> boredandblogging: is that a new rule? other non-approved teams do
[17:37] <popey> ok
[17:37] <boredandblogging> some locos got grandfathered in
[17:37] <Syntux> it's ok we will go with nashmi.org on our prints.
[17:37] <boredandblogging> before any decision was made
[17:37] <boredandblogging> Syntux: good luck and come back soon
[17:38] <Syntux> sure, thank you for your time.
[17:38] <boredandblogging> anyone from El Salvador here?
[17:38] <effie> el salvador?
[17:38] <JanC> Syntux: you should be able to get ubuntu-jo.org within 2 months  ツ
[17:39] <hubuntu> celvin...
[17:39] <nizarus> Hi Syntux jordan loco team is approved ?
[17:39] <mantiena> helo all
[17:39] <Pretto> hubuntu, the meeting for approval will be today huh?
[17:39] <hubuntu> it's on right now
[17:39] <boredandblogging> El Salvador?
[17:40] <Pretto> hubuntu, but it says 9:00 pm here in Brazil
[17:40] <hubuntu> don't ask me...
[17:40] <JanC> celvin: ping
[17:40] <celvin> good mornig
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> el tal celvin no ta kreo
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> tamare ya hablo
[17:40] <celvin> sorrri
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> ups corry
[17:40] <Pretto> The next meeting is scheduled for [WWW] 5-Jun-2008, 01:00 UTC (9pm Eastern Daylight Time on the 4th of June)
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> wrong channel
[17:41] <celvin> XD
[17:41] <boredandblogging> celvin: are you representing El Salvador?
[17:41] <JanC> boredandblogging: he is
[17:41] <boredandblogging> ah, ok, good
[17:41] <celvin> boredandblogging, yes i am
[17:42] <celvin> my english is not good
[17:42] <celvin> but I understand XD
[17:42] <Pretto> is there anyone from Americas RegionBoard?
[17:42] <boredandblogging> celvin: are you doing Edubuntu for schools?
[17:43] <Petrux> In Ecuador we're using edubuntu in too pooor schools
[17:43] <celvin> boredandblogging, yes we are using it with LTSP
[17:44] <RoAkSoAx> Pretto: the meeting for membership approval is tomorrow...
[17:44] <hubuntu> Petrux not yet..
[17:44] <Pretto> RoAkSoAx, ok... but today here in Brazil as i can see in the wiki
[17:44] <JanC> folks, please chat elsewhere  ツ
[17:45] <JanC> celvin: what activities did you do and do you have planned for 2008 ?
[17:46] <leogg> I want to cheer for El Salvador... they're an awesome team, very active and a great partner for the other teams in the area
[17:46] <boredandblogging> will the team continue its involvement in FLISOL?
[17:46] <celvin> Yes
[17:47]  * hubuntu cheers for El Salvador too!
[17:47] <celvin> and we are calling all linux communities to organize the SFD
[17:47] <boredandblogging> like JanC, I would like to know what the plans are for 2008
[17:47] <popey> celvin: what are you planning to do for SFD?
[17:48] <boredandblogging> is there any timetable on the project with the Ministry of Education?
[17:49] <leogg> we (.ni) are working together with.sv for the SFD
[17:49] <leogg> we have plans to stream a couple of video conferences from .sv to .ni
[17:50] <JanC> leogg: you are planning to do this for SFD 2008 together again?
[17:50] <celvin> In El Salvador all the communities are dispersed
[17:50] <celvin> and the Sfd will be an big event
[17:50] <leogg> JanC, yes
[17:50] <celvin> in wich every communitie will work togetther
[17:51] <leogg> JanC, hopefully together with the rest of the central american communities
[17:51] <boredandblogging> with the work El Salvador has done so far and with roadmap, +1 from me
[17:51] <celvin> we are plannig put it in a Big virtual SF day
[17:51] <celvin> FS day
[17:52] <celvin> using video streamming
[17:52] <JanC> nice
[17:52] <celvin> http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/ElSalvador
[17:52] <leogg> we want also to share resources, have a common template for artwork
[17:52] <leogg> the idea is to not reinvent the wheel :)
[17:53] <JanC> +1 from me too
[17:53] <celvin> XD
[17:53] <boredandblogging> popey, effie_jayx: vote?
[17:53] <popey> looks good to me
[17:53] <popey> +1
[17:53] <boredandblogging> congrats El Salvador
[17:53] <effie_jayx> +
[17:54] <effie_jayx> 1
[17:54] <leogg> thank you guys!
[17:54] <leogg> congrats celvin
[17:54] <celvin> XD
[17:54] <huats> good job El Salvador !
[17:54]  * hubuntu dice: Que viva EL Salvador!
[17:54] <boredandblogging> anyone from Peru here?
[17:54] <effie_jayx> felicidades al salvador
[17:54] <xander21c> congrats El Salvador :)
[17:54] <viperhoot> felicidades !
[17:54] <huats> nxvl ?
[17:54] <nxvl> here
[17:54] <huats> boredandblogging: nxvl is from Peru I think
[17:54] <huats> :)
[17:54] <viperhoot> here :D
[17:55] <nxvl> :D
[17:55] <johnc4510> congrats to El Salvador
[17:55] <celvin> we are uniting and creating more and bigs communities
[17:55] <nxvl> we are here, me, RoAkSoAx, xander21c  and viperhoot
[17:55] <xander21c> here :)
[17:55] <nxvl> we all are from the Peruvian Council
[17:55] <Petrux> Felicidades compañeros del Salvador
[17:55] <popey> having heard ALL about this from nxvl at UDS, it's a +1 for peru from me
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> i'm here
[17:55] <boredandblogging> popey: lol
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> < Petrux> Felicidades compañeros del Salvador
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> 18:56 < popey> having heard ALL about this from nxvl at UDS, it's a +1 for peru from me
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> upsy sorry again... :(
[17:56] <huats> popey: how many beer did he pay you ?
[17:56] <huats> ;)
[17:56] <popey> heh
[17:56] <viperhoot> thanks popey :D
[17:56] <boredandblogging> we can bribed cheaply :-P
[17:56] <popey> speak for yourself!
[17:56] <popey> I'm expensive ;)
[17:56] <effie_jayx> lol
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[17:56] <celvin> this 28, 29 and 30 of May, we was organized a bug event
[17:57] <celvin> http://www.gnusal.org/galeria.htm
[17:57] <celvin> around 600 peoples
[17:57] <JanC> celvin: wow
[17:57] <boredandblogging> how is the Peru LoCo outside of Lima?
[17:57]  * nxvl HUGS popey 
[17:58] <celvin> Thanks for all
[17:58] <nxvl> really the LoCo is not all from lima
[17:58] <celvin> I will go to sleep
[17:58] <celvin> XD
[17:58] <nxvl> on the council we are 5 persons
[17:58] <RoAkSoAx> boredandblogging: very well. we have been present in Arequipa on teh FLISOL, viperhoot just added a link with a pic of me
[17:58] <nxvl> only 2 of them from lima
[17:58] <nxvl> we have RoAkSoAx on arequipa
[17:58] <nxvl> also viperhoot in cajamarca
[17:58] <RoAkSoAx> and we are planing on a series of events that i'll publish soon
[17:58] <xander21c> also have some very volunteers outside Lima
[17:58] <nxvl> and P3L|C4N0 on chiclayo
[17:59] <JanC> nxvl & co.: I saw your list of CD distribution points, have you ever thought about using a Google maps-based website for that?
[17:59] <boredandblogging> ok, I was asking because most of the team events listed on the applicaiton are in Lima
[17:59] <boredandblogging> maybe I'm mistaken?
[17:59] <nxvl> JanC: not really, but thanks for the idea!
[17:59] <nxvl> JanC: we will try to :D
[17:59] <JanC> nxvl: we have a web app for that with the Belgian Team  ;)
[17:59] <JanC> (ask me after the meeting)
[17:59] <xander21c> ﻿boredandblogging: yes , but ww are looking forward to change that
[18:00] <nxvl> boredandblogging: well, most of the events are in Lima in general, but for example i'm going next week to chibote to give a talk representing the ubuntu-pe team
[18:00] <huats> JanC and nxvl we have one too in the French one...
[18:00]  * hubuntu asks JanC to tell him all about that after the meeting too
[18:00] <nxvl> and also will ping some people from there to have a stand
[18:00] <huats> i'll be happy to help out
[18:00] <boredandblogging> nxvl: ok, sounds good
[18:00] <boredandblogging> peru gets +1 from me
[18:00] <nxvl> also RoAkSoAx and viperhoot have participate on some events in his towns
[18:00] <RoAkSoAx> boredandblogging: yes, most events are in Lima, but we have had participation on 1 event in Arequipa, which was INtroducing Hardy Heron done by me, and it is on the Approval Application
[18:00] <xander21c> also Cusco ubuntu users are getting organize
[18:01] <nxvl> and tumbes
[18:01] <JanC> nxvl: how is the Quechua translations going?
[18:01] <viperhoot> in Cajamarca too
[18:01] <nxvl> there are photos somewhere i think
[18:01] <JanC> I just saw the Ecuador team works on that too  ツ
[18:01] <viperhoot> JanC: in cajamarca, the most people speak quechua, I am learning to begin with the translations
[18:01] <JanC> are you cooperating?
[18:01] <nxvl> JanC: quechua is only speeked by non tecnological people, so it won't we (at least for now) a really productive effort
[18:02] <nxvl> also we have 24 dialects of quechua
[18:02] <nxvl> that are like 24 different laguages
[18:02] <nxvl> languages
[18:02] <RoAkSoAx> si pe
[18:03] <JanC> I think non-technical people are the people that need native language software the most
[18:03] <JanC> ?
[18:03] <nxvl> JanC: non technical people as in non computer users people
[18:03] <JanC> but of course, it might be difficult to translate everything with a small number of people...
[18:03] <nxvl> not even cellphone users
[18:04] <nxvl> that's what i tried to express, sorry
[18:04] <xander21c> also their geographic location not and easy one
[18:04] <nxvl> quechua speakers, most of them live in little far away places where there is in some cases not even electricity
[18:04] <JanC> well, they aren't contaminated with MS then  ;)
[18:05] <boredandblogging> lol
[18:05] <RoAkSoAx> JanC: most people in Peru who have access to computers speak spanish, or i should say... everyone...
[18:05] <nxvl> heh
[18:05] <nxvl> yes
[18:05] <JanC> make sure you are first to get them onto a computer  ;)
[18:05] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC: vote?
[18:05] <JanC> anyway, +1 from me
[18:05] <nxvl> we will try!
[18:05] <hubuntu> If you guys want to work on on the Quechua translation see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQuechuaTranslators
[18:05] <viperhoot> six million people speak quechua in Latin american :P
[18:05] <effie_jayx> +1
[18:06] <boredandblogging> congrats Peru
[18:06] <xander21c> Peru is part of OLPC, that will hellp to get them into free software
[18:06] <nxvl> thanx!
[18:06]  * nxvl HUGS everyone
[18:06] <effie_jayx> great work peru
[18:06] <xander21c> Thanks  a lot :)
[18:06]  * hubuntu felicita a Perú! Muy bien hermanos!
[18:06] <boredandblogging> anyone from Arizona here?
[18:06] <viperhoot> thanks !!
[18:06]  * johnc4510 is here for the AZ Team!!
[18:06]  * xander21c Beer for everyone
[18:06]  * johnc4510 greets the council and offers this introduction to our team
[18:06] <johnc4510> ...
[18:06] <johnc4510> w00t!! We are the Ubuntu Arizona LoCo - The "Hottest" LoCo on Earth
[18:06] <johnc4510> ...
[18:06] <johnc4510> Our Application for Approval: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/ApprovalApplication
[18:06]  * br24 here for the AZ team
[18:06] <nxvl> well se you later, need to go back to work
[18:06] <FranciscoR> Congrats Peru!
[18:06] <johnc4510> Our Team Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam
[18:06] <JanC> hubuntu: yeah, -pe & -ec should work together on Quechua translations
[18:06] <johnc4510> Our Team Launchpad Page: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-arizona
[18:06] <nxvl> thanks for the proval!
[18:06] <kjnelan> felicidades Peru
[18:06] <johnc4510> ...
[18:06] <johnc4510> Our most recent events were the Hardy release and Hardy installfest
[18:06] <viperhoot> :D
[18:06] <johnc4510> ...
[18:06] <johnc4510> Upcoming events already in the planning stages include the Intrepid release and installfest and a statewide open source conference.
[18:06] <johnc4510> ...
[18:06]  * RoAkSoAx HUGS and THANKS everyone of you :D
[18:06] <johnc4510> We hope you will find our team deserving of being an offical Ubuntu team, and we thank you for your consideration.
[18:07] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: slow down there, lol
[18:07] <tyche> YAY!!!  Arizona LoCo.  Go TEAM!
[18:07] <slofgren> I'm here to cheer on the AZ team
[18:07] <johnc4510> k
[18:07] <kjnelan> Here for AZ Team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:07] <jsonder> go AZ
[18:07] <gunxfight> woot
[18:07] <DesertPenquin> woot Arizona
[18:07] <gunxfight> az
[18:07] <br24> yes for AZ!!
[18:07] <paul928> ./me is here from the Arizona LoCo
[18:07] <Syntux> HAHAHAH
[18:07] <johnc4510> lol
[18:07] <word> WOOT
[18:07] <boredandblogging> wow
[18:07] <Syntux> +10 for Arizona
[18:07] <kjnelan> YEAH!!!!!!!!!
[18:07] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: you want me to do that again  lol
[18:07] <johnc4510> :)
[18:07] <JanC> okay, I read about this on your mailing list  :P
[18:08] <eddieftw> hey all, im here to cheer for the AZ team ;p
[18:08] <eddieftw> see also my testimonial on the application page
[18:08] <johnc4510> JanC: we have a great team
[18:08] <slofgren> w00t for the Arizona team
[18:08] <jsonder> we have fun
[18:08] <johnc4510> :)
[18:08] <br24> AZ team is awesome
[18:09] <word> (mind-controlled voice) we...have...fun...
[18:09] <soldats> another w00t for the AZ team couldnt live without it
[18:09] <effie_jayx> how does trhe Arizona team contribute to the US loCo team project?
[18:09] <JanC> johnc4510: it seems like you use the mailing list only for announcements, why?
[18:10] <johnc4510> effie_jayx: we help any team who asks for our help
[18:10] <johnc4510> JanC: most of our stuff is done in channel
[18:10] <johnc4510> we have a very active channel
[18:10] <effie_jayx> johnc4510,  any cshared projects with other loCo's in the country?
[18:10] <johnc4510> not yet
[18:10] <soldats> effie_jayx: also if we are able to meet people in other states we can introduce them to irc and LoCo teams and prepare them for distributing Ubuntu
[18:11] <JanC> yeah, I saw the IRC meeting logs had a lot of people participating
[18:11] <johnc4510> we are thinking about a co project with new mexico maybe
[18:11] <boredandblogging> with some exceptions, the US Teams haven't been good at colloboration
[18:11] <johnc4510> agreed
[18:11] <johnc4510> we need more interaction between teams
[18:11] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: is BarCamp the big event for 2008?
[18:12] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: yes
[18:12] <effie_jayx> soldats, right
[18:12] <johnc4510> it is going to be the biggest thing we've done
[18:12] <johnc4510> and we are trying to include the state lugs
[18:13] <JanC> how is cooperation with LUGs going until now?
[18:13] <johnc4510> we believe coordination with the lugs is a big deal
[18:13] <johnc4510> good so far, we don't have a lot of active lugs but
[18:14] <johnc4510> the ones out there are excited about co hosting events
[18:14] <jsonder> I'm conducting a Linux ;sig in Green Valley AZ right now!
[18:14] <johnc4510> they see the good things that might come of it
[18:15] <boredandblogging> the ASU college lug is mentioned, have you been in touch with other schools?
[18:15] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: ^^
[18:15] <johnc4510> i've sent email to U of A   but no response yet
[18:15] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: ^^
[18:16] <johnc4510> we do have one member in touch with the U of A linux forum at this point
[18:17] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: is AZ going to have a course for teaching the server?
[18:17] <darkbalder> saludos
[18:17] <johnc4510> we have one member who is an IT specialists and we hope to have intructions on server during meetings
[18:18] <johnc4510> like a mysqal, or file server instructional
[18:18] <JanC> johnc4510: do you have other plans with the new server?  (I mean, it has more power than you need for the current LoCoTeam sites I think ;) )
[18:18] <boredandblogging> lol
[18:19] <johnc4510> JanC: agreed, my plan is to implement as we go, web blogs, email hosting  etc
[18:19] <johnc4510> and then explain as we go to the loco
[18:19] <johnc4510> sort of a do it one step at a time and instruct as we go
[18:20] <johnc4510> it was a great donation to the team
[18:20] <boredandblogging> think the LUG cooperation is great and AZ should keep pushing that
[18:20] <johnc4510> kk
[18:20] <johnc4510> we like that too
[18:21] <boredandblogging> +1 from me
[18:21] <JanC> it might be a way to help/cooperate with another LoCoTeam that isn't as "rich" as you  ;)
[18:21] <johnc4510> JanC: agreed, i had even thought of offering space to the lugs if they need it
[18:22] <boredandblogging> JanC: great point
[18:22] <JanC> +1 too btw
[18:22] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, popey: vote?
[18:22] <effie_jayx> +1
[18:22] <effie_jayx> sounds ike they have been working hard
[18:22] <popey> easy +1
[18:22] <boredandblogging> congrats Arizona
[18:22] <kjnelan> WOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:22] <tyche> Yeeeeeeeee-Haaaaaaaw!!!!!
[18:22] <slofgren> w00t for the Arizona team
[18:22] <johnc4510> w00t   thx council
[18:22] <gunxfight> ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:22] <slofgren> thx guys
[18:22] <effie_jayx> though it would be cool to have al 4 state loco's working on a project :
[18:23] <FrankJSrC> Congrats Arizona
[18:23] <br24> oh yeah!!!!!
[18:23] <johnc4510> effie_jayx: it would
[18:23] <paul928> thx council
[18:23] <eddieftw> congrats arizona
[18:23] <popey> I'd like to hear more about the lug cooperation on the locoteams list
[18:23] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC, popey you guys want to keep going? our hour is long over
[18:23] <br24> thx to the council
[18:23] <johnc4510> thx eddieftw
[18:23] <boredandblogging> don't think there is anything else scheduled for a while
[18:23] <popey> boredandblogging: i can't, I need to bath my daughter
[18:23]  * word does a backflip...in his computer chair..
[18:23] <JanC> boredandblogging: I can go on
[18:23] <effie_jayx> hehe keep on rocking arizona
[18:23]  * br24 is dancing with himself
[18:24] <jsonder> why alone?
[18:24] <br24> had Billy Idol in my dream last night
[18:24] <word> jsonder: maybe it falls under the "sometimes you have to talk to yourself to have an intelligent conversation" rule :P
[18:25] <jsonder> hahahaha
[18:25] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: can you go on longer?
[18:25] <johnc4510> jsonder: thx
[18:26] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  syre
[18:26] <boredandblogging> Lithuania here?
[18:26] <Styxas> Lithuania is here! me, mantiena and sirex`
[18:26] <sirex`> one here
[18:27] <mantiena> yea
[18:28] <boredandblogging> the experience section on the Lithuania application lacks detail
[18:29] <Styxas> maybe we can provide them now :)
[18:29] <sirex`> Hm, whot details is needed more?
[18:29] <boredandblogging> there is only one event listed, no specific press
[18:29] <JanC> yeah, and I don't understand the native language site  ;)
[18:29] <boredandblogging> links or references to newspapers
[18:29] <JanC> so can't find anything there
[18:30] <sirex`> ubucon website: ubucon.lt
[18:30] <boredandblogging> sirex`: I can't read that, can you provide more information on the approval application?
[18:30] <JanC> sirex`: what other events did you do ?
[18:31] <Styxas> not long ago there was another installfest in Kaunas. Ubucon was the bigges so we mentioned it on Applications others are usually small - max 10-15 attendants
[18:32] <boredandblogging> i'd recommend taking a look at other approval applications
[18:32] <boredandblogging> and providing more information
[18:33] <JanC> what we want to see is that you have been doing things for some time, not only 1 big event
[18:33] <JanC> although having such a big event is nice of course
[18:34] <sirex`> First registered user in ubuntu.lt: http://www.ubuntu.lt/render/User;e,about;uid,1
[18:34] <sirex`> Date is: 2005.07.12 13:36
[18:35] <JanC> do you have announcement/reports for past events on your site?
[18:35] <JanC> maybe a search term we can use to find them?  ツ
[18:36] <sirex`> JanC: you can try to enter 'meet' in our ubuntu.lt web site search box at the top.
[18:36] <sirex`> Most of the events are announced and organized there.
[18:37] <sirex`> Maybe Styxas knows better how to filter all list of our meeting in ubuntu.lt, becous he is admin of that site.
[18:37] <Styxas> http://www.ubuntu.lt/render/News;nid,345 announcement for installfest in Kaunas
[18:38] <sirex`> One good photo form 2006 meeting: http://www.ubuntu.lt/meet-07-22/img_7370.jpg
[18:38] <Styxas> there was a site crash an posts about ubuntu.lt community were gone. just some of them are still there: http://www.ubuntu.lt/render/News;category,7
[18:39] <JanC> I hope you make backups now?  ;)
[18:39] <mantiena> ;)
[18:40] <mantiena> we follow Linus' guidelines
[18:40] <Styxas> JanC,  oh yes we do :)
[18:40] <boredandblogging> think Lithuania should come back to the next meeting with more filled out approval application
[18:40] <Styxas> boredandblogging, understood... we will fix it :)
[18:41] <mantiena> Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)  Torvalds, Linus (1996-07-20). Post to linux.dev.kernel newsgroup. Retrieved on 2006-08-28.
[18:41] <boredandblogging> Styxas: it makes it easier for us to approve you :-)
[18:41] <boredandblogging> JanC, effie_jayx what do you guys think?
[18:42] <JanC> boredandblogging: it would make it easier indeed
[18:42] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  I think they have lot's to tell us good projects
[18:43] <effie_jayx> but I also agree on geting stuff ready will defnetely help us get the idea on what the loco has done
[18:44] <Styxas> boredandblogging, i understand you. I just started filling the application after last EMEA meeting and maybe had too little time to prepare it well. if you want - we can wait for the next meeting, or answer all your questions now
[18:44] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  does that make sence?
[18:44] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: yes
[18:44] <effie_jayx> sense
[18:45] <boredandblogging> Styxas: I'll remove Lithuania from the LoCoCouncilAgenda, please add yourself back when ready
[18:45] <sirex`> Most of the things are added to the application, bet maybe links to all sources are missing.
[18:45] <Styxas> boredandblogging, ok
[18:45] <boredandblogging> at this point, I have to leave
[18:46] <hubuntu> noooooooooooooooo
[18:46]  * hubuntu says: sorry...
[18:46] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC shall we end today's meeting?
[18:46] <leogg> boredandblogging, please don't go :)
[18:46] <leogg> ecuador is up next
[18:46] <Syntux> what are the chances to discuss ubuntu-arabic proposal ?
[18:46] <JanC> boredandblogging: we'll have to, if you can't stay...
[18:47] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  I am cool with one more
[18:47] <JanC> Syntux: I think it's a great idea
[18:47] <virgiman> yay
[18:47] <boredandblogging> lol, ok, one more
[18:47] <hubuntu> good...
[18:47] <palichis> jaYU
[18:47] <Syntux> JanC, lovely
[18:47] <boredandblogging> Ecuador?
[18:48] <alex-ec> cool people
[18:48] <virgiman> here!!!
[18:48] <celvin> Ecuador
[18:48] <hubuntu> here!
[18:48] <alex-ec> present
[18:48] <estebandid0> ywa
[18:48] <FrankJSrC> Ecuador is here... Arriba Ecuador!!!
[18:48] <estebandid0> yes
[18:48] <palichis> HERE
[18:48] <virgiman> here again
[18:48] <hubuntu> ok
[18:48] <palichis> arriba
[18:48] <boredandblogging> lol, its like Arizona all over again
[18:48] <estebandid0> we can do it
[18:48] <hubuntu> ;)
[18:48]  * ecubuntu here Ecuador
[18:48] <celvin> Ecuador rules!
[18:48] <leogg> Ecuador rulez!
[18:48] <Petrux> Arriba EC
[18:48] <hubuntu> well the Application is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EcuadorTeam/ApprovalApplication
[18:48] <celvin> XD
[18:48] <FrankJSrC> Vamos Ecuador!!! Si se puede!
[18:48] <hacktick> somewone from brazil here? this LoCo is so chaotic...
[18:49] <hacktick> -w
[18:49] <hubuntu> for events info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EcuadorTeam/ConferenceAppearances
[18:49] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  jejejejeje
[18:49]  * magicfab wanted to cheer for Ecuador too but the crowd wouldn't let him
[18:49] <effie_jayx> magicfab,  jeje
[18:50] <boredandblogging> hehe
[18:50] <boredandblogging> another FLISOL participant, excellent
[18:50] <MagicFab> boredandblogging, if you go you will miss the chaos :)
[18:50] <virgiman> chaos is good
[18:50] <boredandblogging> MagicFab: lol, don't want to miss all the fun!
[18:50] <hubuntu> yes, the country organizer is here. He's part of the team
[18:50] <effie_jayx> hubuntu, what has been the element that can describe Ubuntu Ecuador as a active participant in the project?
[18:51] <hubuntu> you will have to rephrase that one
[18:51] <hubuntu> effie_jayx,
[18:51] <hubuntu> of the Ubuntu Project?
[18:52] <boredandblogging> Ecuador does a lot of big events, has there been smaller local events?
[18:52] <JanC> hubuntu: yes
[18:52] <hacktick> virgiman: definetly not.
[18:53] <hubuntu> well, we have concentrated in been visible in the big events
[18:53] <hubuntu> and act locally with LUG and throug CD distribution points
[18:53] <hubuntu> the big events do happen in many places, not just in the main cities
[18:54] <hubuntu> and we have mentored the organization of these big events in new locations, like the FLISOL in Zamora-Chinchipe
[18:54] <Petrux> and Quito
[18:55] <hubuntu> so in a way, we have ahd small events as part of the big event umbrella
[18:55] <MagicFab> If I may.. the advocacy content and translations the team has produced (and keeps leading) are a huge step ahead and fills a big gap other latin teams had missed, while cooperating. Ubuntu-ec rocks!
[18:55] <effie_jayx> MagicFab, righ on
[18:55] <effie_jayx> hubuntu,  I do think your flisol was amonts the best
[18:55] <hubuntu> thanks Petrux
[18:55] <effie_jayx> s/amonts/amongst
[18:56] <hubuntu> he organized the event nationally
[18:56]  * effie_jayx has duffy fingers today
[18:56] <hubuntu> I just did some Ubuntu marketing in the dark (live in oslo, so I was not there, as in person)
[18:56] <leogg> I agree with MagicFab, the translation work of the ubuntu-ec team is awesome!
[18:57] <hubuntu> we work with the Ubuntu Weekly News translation every week
[18:57]  * ecubuntu me to on lugradio usa (marketing in the dark)
[18:57] <JanC> MagicFab: why isn't the documentation stuff listed on the approval page ?  ツ
[18:57] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: I definitely appreciate the UWN work
[18:57] <hubuntu> I appreciate your boredandblogging
[18:57] <hubuntu> you do it, we just translate it ;)
[18:58] <hubuntu> not only you, but you get the idea...
[18:58] <effie_jayx> hubuntu,  what are you planning for reaching ut to school?
[18:58] <Belutz> sorry to interrupt, what meeting is it right now?
[18:58] <boredandblogging> JanC: think it falls under the 2nd bullet point in experience summary
[18:58] <hubuntu> We are planning on organized ubuntec
[18:58] <MagicFab> JanC, it is -> http://www.ubuntu.ec/ is what I was referring to.
[18:58] <hubuntu> which will be reaching out to schools
[18:59] <hubuntu> showing Ubuntu goodness
[18:59] <effie_jayx> hubuntu, ubuntec being an event? sounds interesting
[18:59] <hubuntu> and presenting Ubuntu in the server, the LoCo  among other things
[18:59] <estebandid0> effie_jayx: we work very close with the government in Ecuador, because we have now a decree NO. 1014 that declares a state policy the use of Free Software
[19:00] <MagicFab> JanC, the ubuntu.ec site has many pieces that the very beginners (in spanish) could not get in their language. Lots of that will be reused.
[19:00] <effie_jayx> estebandid0, pretty much like decree 3390 in venezuela
[19:00] <hubuntu> estebandid0, is the IT advisor of the president, and an early member of the team
[19:00] <Petrux> In educations. werw planning a Congres of SL and edubuntu
[19:00] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: very nice!
[19:00] <estebandid0> so the universities right now have received a notification that they have to teach on their courses Free Software
[19:00] <effie_jayx> hubuntu, wow, very good
[19:01] <boredandblogging> Ecuador, +1 from me
[19:01] <estebandid0> effie_jayx: yeah it is something similiar to the venezuela
[19:01] <effie_jayx> the efforst seem great.. lot's of advocacy and lot's to show and tell
[19:01] <hubuntu> and lots more to come
[19:01] <effie_jayx> Ecuador has been an examplo of what a great latin american LoCo should be
[19:01] <estebandid0> effie_jayx:  but we have all the support from the president of ecuadro
[19:01] <hubuntu> we have just organized the team in 5 different working groups
[19:02] <estebandid0> ecuador
[19:02] <palichis> In Cuenca to give training in schools with eduubuntu
[19:02] <effie_jayx> estebandid0,  that's fantastic
[19:02] <hubuntu> each with their own responsability areas and tasks
[19:02] <Petrux> In Quito we have a new propjects to use edubuntu in the Educations Minitery and Universities
[19:02] <hubuntu> virgiman, something going on in Guayaquil as well?
[19:03] <Invitado> Hola
[19:03] <hubuntu> HOla Invitado, solo Inglés ;)
[19:03] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC: think we can vote on Ecuador
[19:03] <estebandid0> effie_jayx: our president believes in free software, now we have the decree and the undersecretary of informatics that their main objective is to promote free software to the state
[19:03] <Invitado> vaya.. que excluyente
[19:03] <Invitado> !!!!!
[19:03] <boredandblogging> estebandid0: thats superb
[19:03] <hubuntu> no Invitado está redirigido a otro canal... regresa en 15 minutos, disculpa la molestia
[19:04] <MagicFab> Invitado, es una reunión - si necesita ayuda en español por favor vaya a #ubuntu-ec, #ubuntu-co o #ubuntu-es
[19:04] <JanC> yes, +1 from me
[19:04] <estebandid0> rafael-ec: is the national director of free software in Ecuador he is around here
[19:04] <hubuntu> MagicFab, you were right about the irc thing...
[19:04] <hubuntu> something to say about our work rafael-ec ?
[19:04] <effie_jayx> +1 from me
[19:04] <MagicFab> hubuntu, told you :)
[19:04] <effie_jayx> good work Ecuadro ...
[19:05] <boredandblogging> Ecuador, amazing work!
[19:05] <boredandblogging> congrats
[19:05] <hubuntu> :)
[19:05] <estebandid0> tks boredandblogging
[19:05] <palichis> ;)
[19:05] <FrankJSrC> Thanks!!!! :)
[19:05] <JanC> heh, when will the president of Ecuador show up to cheer?  :-P
[19:05] <hubuntu> thx
[19:05]  * MagicFab pour Aguardiente to all - fuerza LatAm :)
[19:05] <leogg> felicidades Ecuador!!!
[19:05] <MagicFab> pours*
[19:05]  * hubuntu bebe!
[19:05] <effie_jayx> popey, ?
[19:05] <estebandid0> JanC: i dont understand ur question
[19:05] <effie_jayx> anyone else not votes?
[19:06] <effie_jayx> my fingers are terrible tday
[19:06] <JanC> estebandid0: well, you are 2 peopel who work for the government here?  ツ
[19:06] <rafael-ec> here is the video where the presidnete invites to use free software
[19:06] <rafael-ec> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy5yAk4dYOk
[19:06] <ecubuntu> i see effie_jayx
[19:06] <hubuntu> ok.. now I have to get my daughter into bed and drink beer with my giorlfriend afterwards! LET'S CEØLEBRATE
[19:06] <boredandblogging> popey is away, but we have 3 +1, so Ecuador is good
[19:06] <estebandid0> yes me and rafael-ec
[19:06] <rafael-ec> here the translation to several languages
[19:06] <rafael-ec> http://www.asle.ec/wiki/doku.php/saludo_correa
[19:06] <estebandid0> JanC: yes rafael-ec and me
[19:07] <estebandid0> JanC: I am the IT Advisor from the President and rafael-ec is the National DIrector of Free SOftware
[19:07] <rafael-ec> I am Rafael Bonifaz free software director
[19:07] <MagicFab> Ubuntu-Ec ROCKS :) if anyone thinks -ec has banded with the rest of latin teams... it's because they have :D
[19:07] <JanC> estebandid0: I was just joking, like, will the rest of the government show up too  ;-)
[19:07] <hubuntu> 'ok... Thanks everyone
[19:07] <hubuntu> MIL GRACIAS UBUNTER@S
[19:07] <FrankJSrC> Thanks to you hubuntu
[19:07] <estebandid0> JanC: rafael-ec and me did the meeting between our president and Stallman
[19:07] <effie_jayx> MagicFab,  agree hubuntu  has been a great motivator and iuntegrator... great catalist
[19:07] <alex-ec> thanks a bunch people
[19:07] <Petrux> Some Ministeries are using ubuntu in their desktops like Min of Deportes and Culture
[19:08] <JanC> nice
[19:09] <hubuntu> Ubuntu is eating uip market share in Ecuador.. And we are just getting started :)
[19:09] <hubuntu> Let's meet on one year to see our progress ;)
[19:09] <effie_jayx> have all voted then?
[19:09] <hubuntu> I really have to go... Thanks for staying boredandblogging
[19:09] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: yep
[19:09] <effie_jayx> have we all voted, then?
[19:09] <JanC> effie_jayx: we're only three left
[19:09] <effie_jayx> cool
[19:09] <boredandblogging> hubuntu: no problem
[19:09] <MagicFab> effie_jayx, yes
[19:10] <effie_jayx> congrats hubuntu and extend those to the whole team for such great work
[19:10]  * ecubuntu ecuador we can do it :P
[19:10] <hubuntu> It's the group who deserve congrats, I'm just sitting in Oslo editing some wiki pages ;)
[19:10] <ecubuntu> thank you effie_jayx
[19:10] <hubuntu> THEY do the work
[19:11] <hubuntu> I'm just the contact
[19:11] <FrankJSrC> Thank you hubuntu and council
[19:11] <Syntux> lovely, can we discuss the agenda now ? :D
[19:11] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, shall we?
[19:12] <boredandblogging> sure, I have about 15 minutes
[19:12] <effie_jayx> ok
[19:12] <effie_jayx> Syntux, let's do it
[19:12] <JanC> Syntux: about the Arabic thing, did you also contact the other Arabic speaking LoCoTeams yet?
[19:12] <Syntux> JanC, yes and as documented in the /talk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda/talk
[19:13] <Syntux> through their forums and mailing lists
[19:13] <JanC> that's not all of them, right?
[19:13] <Syntux> JanC, that's all of them or at least those with forums and/or mailing list
[19:13] <JanC> well, at least tehre are other countries where people speak Arabic?
[19:13] <huayra> ahora si me voy dew acá tb
[19:14] <Syntux> JanC, yeah we are talking about 23 country with around 250million human being
[19:14] <udienz-> wew
[19:15] <Syntux> yes
[19:15] <JanC> like Morocco, Algeria, Tunesia, ... don't they have LoCoTeams ?
[19:15] <Syntux> Tunesia do have one but not Algeria and Morocco
[19:15] <Petrux> Ese es mi Pais, mi Pais Ecuador del Alma
[19:15] <Syntux> nizarus, is the team leader of Tunisia and he's here now
[19:16] <Invitado> ?
[19:16] <Syntux> alsadi, is one of the most active translators, developers in the region and he's here now too
[19:16] <alsadi> Hi
[19:16] <effie_jayx> Syntux, I think the idea makes sense
[19:16] <Syntux> effie_jayx, I guess so, having one interface for Arabic users is good.
[19:16] <boredandblogging> yeah, I agree
[19:17] <Syntux> LoCo teams cannot solve the problem because not all arab locos prefer to use arabic, like Jordan team prefer English and the Lebanese prefer French
[19:17] <alsadi> yes, we (Arabic speaking people) have same interests, and having a common group will make things easier
[19:17] <Syntux> on the other side there are plenty of LoCo members interested in supporting people in Arabic
[19:17] <Syntux> so having arabic team would solve the problem.
[19:18] <alsadi> I agree
[19:18] <JanC> FWIW: as all languages spoken in Belgium (Dutch, French & German) are also spoken in other countries, we already point users to those respective forums
[19:18] <JanC> so this is quite similar
[19:19] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  do you have an estimate of users you'll be helping?
[19:19] <effie_jayx> just vague numbers
[19:19] <Syntux> true but since the Ubuntu Arabic community is small having one interface would be for its own good
[19:19] <Syntux> and it will help in increasing the number of people in the community
[19:19] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  right, true... That would realy help boost adoption
[19:20] <Syntux> for example, if someone asked in Arabic in Jordan or lebanese or loco mailing list, we might not answer to be honest
[19:20] <Syntux> but having one place for people interested in helping in that language would make it easier to Arabic community and hopefully increase it
[19:21] <JanC> Syntux: like, I'm a member of both the Belgian (country) & Dutch (language) team -- you would be members of both Jordanian (country) & Arabic (language) team
[19:21] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  I like the idea, however it would be god to have commitment from all teams involved so that it is not your team and alsadi 's and other listed. since it has to be a structure that can be sustainable long after you and him are gone
[19:22] <alsadi> ubuntu says Linux for humans not for hackers (who know three of more human languages), we need to speak  to people in their native language
[19:22] <Syntux> JanC, yeah and this is why I'm proposing for this team, the other arabic teams that exists in the community focus on translation not support.
[19:22] <effie_jayx> alsadi,  it is one of the ubuntu promises yes...
[19:22] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  but they will offer a heloping hand in your initiative riught?
[19:22] <Syntux> effie_jayx, of course, we have received some good feedback from all arabic LoCo members else we wouldn't bothering you guys in this proposal
[19:23] <effie_jayx> Syntux, perfect
[19:23] <Syntux> effie_jayx, yes.
[19:23] <boredandblogging> Syntux: whats the next step to take?
[19:23] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  I say the proposal needs a bit of shaping up. but the idea makes perfect sense. and it is clear that your intentions is to integrate support work
[19:24] <Syntux> boredandblogging, establishing forum, mailing list and ubuntu-arabic.org and spread the word about it
[19:24] <Syntux> boredandblogging, and we already talked with some of the large arabic linux communities to work with them
[19:25] <boredandblogging> Syntux: maybe also contact some other similar teams and see what they would recommend?
[19:25] <Syntux> boredandblogging, that would be an idea
[19:25] <udienz-> Syntux: what's difference between Ubuntume community and ubuntu-arabic
[19:25] <JanC> I guess a forum would be good to start with giving support?
[19:25] <persia> udienz-: language and religion tend not to map well
[19:26] <Syntux> udienz-, UbuntuME is the Muslims Edition of Ubuntu and it has nothing to do with the language
[19:26] <Syntux> udienz-, they do have packages for religious human beings ;)
[19:26] <JanC> not all muslims speak Arabic, e.g. some speak Persian  ;)
[19:27] <persia> Some speak Flemish
[19:27] <Syntux> true, and UbuntuME main focus is on packing religious apps not support or anything
[19:27] <Syntux> our main focus is support not apps nor translation
[19:27] <boredandblogging> Syntux: so maybe come up with a formal document stating purpose, and what needs to be done?
[19:27] <JanC> persia: yes, I know several who do (although they also speak Arabic mostly)
[19:27] <udienz-> hmm... ic... many member at ubuntume speak using arabic but not all member using arabic (me too)
[19:28] <alsadi> as a member of UbuntuME, it's multi lingual which ranges from English (main), German (DE), ..., and even ordo
[19:28] <Syntux> boredandblogging, I don't mind working more on the proposal if we have definition of "formal document" :D
[19:28] <udienz-> sorry anot all using arabic
[19:28] <Syntux> actually I'm not that good at paper work hehe
[19:28] <JanC> and some people speaking arabic might not be muslims either
[19:28] <Syntux> right
[19:28] <udienz-> JanC: perfect
[19:29] <boredandblogging> Syntux: yes, whatever you want to call it, to make sure everyone is discussing the same thing
[19:29] <alsadi> let the numbers speacks, 20% of Muslism speacks Arabic, 96%  of arabs are Muslims
[19:29] <effie_jayx> ok
[19:29] <Syntux> there is already some ubuntu arabic sites http://www.arubuntu.org/ http://ubuntu.byethost13.com/ http://ubuntustory.com/ar and we just want to make it one work under Ubuntu Community umbrella  for better reach
[19:29] <udienz-> yup. indonesian have 200Million pepple and 80% Muslim but 10 % speak arabic
[19:30] <Syntux> boredandblogging, yeah sure, I was able to get alsadi and nizarus but nizarus (Tunisian LoCo leader) seems to be sleeping now hehe
[19:31] <Syntux> so basically we just need the permission to use ubuntu-arabic.org, a mailing list and a forum.
[19:31] <alsadi> yes ﻿indonesia is not an arabic country,
[19:31] <Syntux> and then we can start reporting our activities on monthly basis
[19:31] <udienz-> right
[19:31] <alsadi> I must leave, excuse me
[19:32] <Syntux> alsadi, thanks for coming.
[19:32] <Syntux> ex-squeezed :D
[19:33] <Syntux> so that's it guys
[19:35] <Syntux> if forumMathew was here he would be able to verify the links of discussion about it, provided in the /talk
[19:35] <effie_jayx> ok
[19:35] <effie_jayx> ok
[19:35] <Syntux> ok
[19:35] <Syntux> hehe
[19:36] <effie_jayx> I say we have the document down and teams participating? we can have a final quick look
[19:36] <boredandblogging> agreed
[19:36] <effie_jayx> and then we cwill have the final say about the team
[19:36] <effie_jayx> It all looks resonable
[19:36] <Syntux> wait wait
[19:36] <Syntux> Teams will NOT participate
[19:37] <Syntux> but individual members of the teams
[19:37] <JanC> Syntux: I think teams should participate
[19:37] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  so do i
[19:37] <Syntux> but not all teams interested in supporting people in aRabic
[19:37] <Syntux> Arabic*
[19:37] <JanC> as in providing links to the site etc.
[19:37] <boredandblogging> this is why we should have a doc ;-)
[19:38] <Syntux> well, that's easy but first they have to have a website for themselves :D
[19:38] <effie_jayx> Syntux, right, but  think teams should be able to be a apart of it
[19:38] <Syntux> effie_jayx, of course, they are able but it's up to them
[19:38] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  exactly
[19:39] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  i would expect a bit more depth on the kind of support and the resources needed
[19:39] <Syntux> yet we don't have any approved LoCo team btw
[19:39] <JanC> Syntux: participate also means that teams won't duplicate efforts, etc.
[19:39] <Syntux> of course\
[19:40] <Syntux> Ok, can we have a mailing list so we can start discussing the project instead of using google groups.
[19:41] <effie_jayx> Syntux, i think all you need is to ptresent this document and then we can approve resources ;)
[19:42] <Syntux> effie_jayx, I agree but presenting an official document would require interacting with all those interested to work on it
[19:42] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  you are free to contact Loco contact in the loco-contact maling list to gather more work
[19:42] <Syntux> and having an ubuntu mailing list would encourage many people to join us
[19:42] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  right but it wouldrequiere usto have you already considered a team :S
[19:42] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  to give you a cliue the conucil did not havea mailing list long after it had it's first meeting
[19:42] <Syntux> yeah but that means having to send the email to like 6 mailing lists and then come up with an artificial way to sync the discussion.
[19:42] <JanC> effie_jayx: teams don't have to be approved to get a list
[19:43] <JanC> Syntux: you have Google Groups set up already though?
[19:43] <effie_jayx> JanC, true, but it does help if we put in a word for the list to happen
[19:43] <JanC> with 8 members?
[19:43] <Syntux> JanC, yup created it two days ago.  http://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-arabic
[19:44] <Syntux> yes
[19:44] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  do you think itwould help having a new list (considering you have to settle and all ) and then presenting this dc?
[19:44] <Syntux> definitely  it will help
[19:45] <Syntux> and anyway, we are not asking to get approved now or in the coming six months
[19:45] <effie_jayx> ok
[19:46] <boredandblogging> we have not finished figuring out the process of getting resources yet
[19:46] <Syntux> all we are asking for is to get a mailing list and permission to use ubuntu domain as in wiki, irc channel and stuff like that
[19:46] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  thatis also true
[19:46] <boredandblogging> so the mailing list may take some time
[19:46] <effie_jayx> popey was in charge of that
[19:46] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging, we can find outad get in touch then with Syntux
[19:46] <boredandblogging> yeah
[19:46] <Syntux> sorry, didn't get it ?
[19:47] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  do you agree with this?
[19:47] <JanC> Syntux: using the domain is okay as long as you follow this policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[19:47] <Syntux> JanC, great.
[19:47] <Syntux> effie_jayx, I didn't get it
 boredandblogging, we can find outad get in touch then with Syntux
[19:48] <Syntux> find out about what ?
[19:48] <boredandblogging> Syntux: we'll try to figure out how to get the mailing list, but it may take some time
[19:48] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  we will get in touch twith the man that helps us with the mailing lists and we wil find out the resource request and we shall get in touch with you through email
[19:48] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  about setting up the mailing list
[19:48] <effie_jayx> Syntux,  does that make sense?
[19:48] <Syntux> lovely
[19:48] <juliux> hi
[19:48]  * juliux is still at work
[19:48] <effie_jayx> my keyboard abilities suck today
[19:48] <Syntux> hi juliux
[19:48] <juliux> topic atm?
[19:48] <effie_jayx> well
[19:49] <effie_jayx> gotta get going
[19:49] <Syntux> juliux, Ubuntu-Arabic team proposal.
[19:49] <effie_jayx> boredandblogging,  you do the minute
[19:49] <effie_jayx> or i do?
[19:49] <boredandblogging> umm, don't remember
[19:49] <Syntux> and btw I have already contact Jorge for the mailing list, not sure if that would cause any of diplomatic conflict :D
[19:50] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx: I can do this one
[19:50] <boredandblogging> Syntux: we'll figure it out
[19:50]  * juliux has no rt account
[19:50] <Syntux> splendid :-)
[19:51] <JanC> juliux: you don't?
[19:51] <boredandblogging> ok, so we are done with ubuntu-arabic for now?
[19:51] <juliux> JanC: i am still waiting for one
[19:51] <JanC> juliux: I got one recently
[19:51] <Syntux> I guess so.
[19:52] <juliux> JanC: ok then i will ping elmo agian
[19:52] <juliux> again
[19:52] <JanC> juliux: although I had to ask them to send again (they used the wrong OpenPGP key to send me the info first time ;) )
[19:52] <boredandblogging> no doctormo? think he wanted to discuss ccHost
[19:53] <Invitado> Hola disculpen, como puedo regresar al chat ubunto ecuador?
[19:53] <juliux> Invitado: english pls;)
[19:53] <boredandblogging> ok, does that cover everything for the meeting?
[19:54] <JanC> Invitado: /join #ubuntu-ec
[19:54] <JanC> (if that's what you were asking ;) )
[19:55] <boredandblogging> nothing like a 3 hour meeting!
[19:55] <juliux> long time meeting;)
[19:55] <Syntux> yeah it was long one
[19:55] <JanC> btw: I think ccHost sucks  ;)
[19:55] <juliux> boredandblogging: next meeting in two weeks? or 4 weeks?
[19:55] <Syntux> long and useful
[19:56] <JanC> or to be more precise: it's user interface is bad IMHO
[19:56] <boredandblogging> should we try 2 weeks? I don't want to be in another 3 hour meeting
[19:56] <JanC> boredandblogging: sounds like a good idea  ツ
[19:56] <juliux> boredandblogging: sounds good for me
[19:56] <boredandblogging> let me look at the fridge calendar
[19:56] <juliux> yeah
[19:57] <Syntux> JanC, how do print this ツ? enlighten me please
[19:57] <boredandblogging> effie_jayx, JanC, juliux, popey June 18th, 16:00 UTC?
[19:58] <JanC> Syntux: it's a Japanese character, just look through the Character table application in Ubuntu ツ
[19:58] <JanC> boredandblogging: a bit later than 16:00 UTC is easier for me, but maybe not for other people...
[19:59] <boredandblogging> we don't have to decide right now
[19:59] <Syntux> I see ヅ
[19:59] <JanC> but I should be able to get home in time or shortly after 16:00 UTC
[19:59] <juliux> lets discuss the next meeting time at the mailinglist
[19:59] <boredandblogging> juliux: agreed
[19:59] <juliux> so popey can also submit his time;9
[20:00] <JanC> I guess it's no problem if I arrive 10-15 minutes late  ;-)
[20:00] <boredandblogging> with that, I really have to go, great meeting everyone!
[20:00] <JanC> hehe, bye
[20:00] <Syntux> me 2, take me with you boredandblogging
[20:02] <juliux> thanks for the meeting
[20:02]  * juliux hope he has time next meeting
[20:11] <popey> hmm?
[20:11] <popey> boredandblogging: ok
[20:20] <udienz-> what meeting is it right now?
[20:57] <kirkland> @now
[20:58] <zul> thats a bit wacky
[21:00]  * nijaba waves
[21:01] <nijaba> @schedule
[21:31] <lukehasnoname> @schedule chicago
[21:31] <lukehasnoname> @now
[21:57] <lukehasnoname> the meeting's about to start! omgomgomgomgomgomgomg
[21:57] <Pretto> lukehasnoname, meeting for what?
[21:57] <lukehasnoname> server
[21:57] <owh> lukehasnoname: What if you had a meeting an no-one came :)
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[21:59] <kirkland> hello all
[21:59] <jdstrand> o/
[21:59]  * lukehasnoname waves
[21:59] <sommer> yo
[21:59] <mathiaz> hello folks !
[21:59] <owh> Salutations
[21:59] <zul> jambo
[22:00] <soren> o/
[22:00] <owh> kirkland: Thanks for adding the patch to that bug.
[22:00] <Koon> \o/
[22:00]  * nealmcb has even seen mootbot working recently
[22:00] <kirkland> owh: no problem.  i merged lsb for intrepid...  it should be uploaded by a sponsor today/tomorrow
[22:00] <soren> mathiaz: Mootbot is back, by the way.
[22:00] <mathiaz> all right - let's get started
[22:01] <mathiaz> soren: yeah - I noticed - but it may not work
[22:01] <nijaba> o/
[22:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[22:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[22:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:01]  * nealmcb cheers
[22:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting#preview
[22:02] <mathiaz> Last meeting notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080528
[22:02] <soren> mathiaz: Er, yeah, that's what I meant. It now works. It's been around for a few weeks, but they fixed it during last night's TB meeting.
[22:02] <mathiaz> I don't see any outstanding action points from last meeting
[22:03]  * nealmcb cheers for Seeker`
[22:03] <Seeker`> nijaba: :)
[22:03] <Seeker`> sorry, nealmcb :D
[22:03] <Seeker`> Mootbot logs wont be instantly accessible due to webhost problems
[22:04] <nealmcb> Seeker`: nijaba deserves some smiles also
[22:04] <Seeker`> heh
[22:04] <mathiaz> So let's move on to the next topic
[22:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  #
[22:04] <mathiaz> State of the specifications.
[22:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] State of the specifications.
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  State of the specifications.
[22:04] <lukehasnoname> haha
[22:04] <Seeker`> if you send an email to scribes@cjo20.net after the meeting with the contact details of someone, I'll try to get the logs to you
[22:04] <soren> :)
[22:04] <mathiaz> so the deadline for specification writing is tomorrow
[22:05] <mathiaz> Spec approver should be set to dendrobates
[22:05] <mathiaz> and if ubuntu-server could be subscribed, it will also help.
[22:06] <ScottK> Is there a handy public list of what's already written?
[22:06] <mathiaz> Once they're approved we can put them on the ServerTeam Roadmap
[22:06] <mathiaz> ScottK: not really - the closest would be https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/
[22:07]  * soren sneaks onto launchpad and registers at least one spec which he forgot.. :(
[22:07] <mathiaz> this is why subscribing ubuntu-server to the blueprint would help
[22:07]  * soren hopes noone will notice
[22:07] <mathiaz> but it's still a bit of a mess
[22:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: ScottK: perhaps those involving dendrobates?  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~dendrobates
[22:07] <dendrobates> don't worry it will be all cleaned up.
[22:07] <mathiaz> dendrobates: any opinion on this ? as you're the approver
[22:08]  * ScottK wants to make sure he can check and see if his pet project is missing/needing more work.
[22:08] <mathiaz> ScottK: have you written up about the mail changes you'd talked about at UDS ?
[22:08] <ScottK> No.
[22:08] <dendrobates> we will have a final list of things that we are targeting for intrepid next week.
[22:08]  * ScottK was hoping someone else had.
[22:09] <mathiaz> ScottK: I remember talking with ivoks about some changes we'd like to make
[22:09] <dendrobates> also the specs do not have to be perfect we can fix them.
[22:09] <mathiaz> ScottK: and it seems that you had the same ideas
[22:09] <ScottK> And siretart had some excellent suggestions on mechanizing the process.
[22:09] <dendrobates> And there will be a few that magically apear at the last minute after some internal discussions.
[22:10] <nealmcb> dendrobates: will we be able to see blueprints for server for each release (e.g. review hardy server-related specs, and also see intrepid), or only some notion of "current" ones?
[22:10] <Koon> mathiaz: since I don't have one to write, I'll proofread the already published tomorrow morning
[22:11] <mathiaz> Koon: aren't you supposed to be on the J2EE spec ?
[22:11]  * nealmcb still wants to be able to see intreped blueprints on the intrepid page, as well as server-related blueprints
[22:11] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I'm not sure that LP can do that
[22:12] <dendrobates> I am not a master at launchpad, for it's ways are mysterious.
[22:12] <Koon> mathiaz: dendrobates said he would handle this one... and we don't really have a solution to propose at that point ?
[22:12] <Koon> dendrobates: or did I miss something ?
[22:13]  * nealmcb looks at an empty page at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-intrepid - sigh
[22:13] <mathiaz> nealmcb: that's over IIRC
[22:13] <dendrobates> nealmcb: you don't have the magic glasses that make text appear?
[22:13] <nealmcb> I'm just suggesting that having easier collaboration based on being able to track specs in different ways would be to our benefit....
[22:13] <mathiaz> anyway - once we have a list of spec, I'll add them to the ServerTeam Roadmap so that we can discuss the progress during the ServerTeam meeting
[22:14] <mathiaz> Let's move to the next topic
[22:14] <dendrobates> nealmcb: agreed
[22:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[22:14] <mathiaz> Discussion about openldap 2.4.9 for 8.04.1.
[22:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  #
[22:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Discussion about openldap 2.4.9 for 8.04.1.
[22:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Discussion about openldap 2.4.9 for 8.04.1.
[22:14] <nealmcb> and cross-team fertilization and publication of spec ideas would be helpful
[22:14] <ScottK> For the mail server stuff I've started an exploration of FAI and the bits we'd need to get it moving.  Just need to find time to invest in it.
[22:14] <zul> hello, so I propose that we stick openldap 2.4.9 into 8.04.1
[22:14] <danshearer> does spec == blueprint?
[22:15] <zul> The reasons are simple:
[22:15] <ScottK> danshearer: Yes.
[22:15] <zul> - Already merged openldap for intrepid.
[22:15] <zul> - Been testing it for the past couple of days havent seen a regression.
[22:15] <zul> - Ran the ubuntu-qa testsuite against it.
[22:15] <zul> - Fixes a number of bugs after 2.4.7 released (113 Fixed upstream bugs between 2.4.7 to 2.4.9) - http://www.pastebin.ca/1038577
[22:15] <zul> - Launchpad bugs fixed #218734, #227187
[22:15] <zul> - However, still needs patches backported from HEAD.
[22:15] <zul> - syncrepl not usuable in 2.4.7
[22:15] <zul> - Upstream recommended us not to use 2.4.7 at UDS.
[22:15] <mathiaz> zul: any point to wait for 2.4.10 ?
[22:15] <jdstrand> zul: how many patches from HEAD remain?
[22:16] <zul> mathiaz: they are still testing it so I dont know if it will get into intrepid in time for 8.04.1
[22:16] <zul> jdstrand: 4 small patches
[22:16] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I think .10 will be too close to 8.04.1 for adequate testing, but I could be wrong
[22:16] <danshearer> zul: ran the OL testsuite too? (excuse me Chuck, I don't know you, this is probably old hat...)
[22:16] <slangasek> you're already on borrowed time for getting 2.4.9 into 8.04.1
[22:16] <zul> danshearer: no the ubuntu-qa test suite
[22:16] <zul> hi slangasek
[22:17] <slangasek> so if you decide you want this, the upload needs to be happening this week
[22:17] <kirkland> danshearer: subtle difference, blueprint = status tracking mechanism in Launchpad, which corresponds to a spec = detailed design document in the wiki
[22:17] <danshearer> syncrepl is a big deal
[22:17] <zul> slangasek: Im already sitting on the upload I wanted a general consensus first
[22:17] <jdstrand> zul: see build_testing/openldap/README.make_test in qa-regression-testing for using openldap's internal build suite
[22:17] <mathiaz> slangasek: would the changelog fit the SRU critiria ?
[22:17] <zul> jdstrand: ah ok I can try that as well thanks
[22:18] <danshearer> jdstrand: right. if we ask upstream for something that'll be the first question back.
[22:18] <slangasek> mathiaz: are you asking about the upstream changelog?  I haven't seen it myself yet, got a handy link?
[22:18] <zul> I have already seen complaints about syncrepl in bug reports at least
[22:18] <mathiaz> slangasek: http://www.pastebin.ca/1038577
[22:18] <danshearer> with syncrepl, that gives one more service where Ubuntu can say "we have active-active failover".
[22:19] <jdstrand> I think it would be fantastic if some people in #ubuntu-server could test .9 as soon as possible
[22:19] <sommer> is there a list of things to test?
[22:19] <sommer> or is that explained in the make file you mentioned
[22:20] <zul> sommer: Launchpad bugs  #218734, #227187 for one
[22:20] <jdstrand> sommer: I was talking about just using zul's packages
[22:20] <sommer> jdstrand: ah, okay
[22:20] <jdstrand> in production if possible
[22:20] <jdstrand> sommer: zul can handle the build tests
[22:20] <dendrobates> danshearer: I don't care about new features.  I care about the 100 or so bug fixess that Howard said would be diffucult or impossible to back port.
[22:20] <sommer> cool, I'll take a look at the bugs this evening
[22:21] <zul> dendrobates: and I looked at that route and my jaw dropped as well :)
[22:21] <mathiaz> zul: have you 2.4.9 package for hardy in your ppa (or somewhere else) ?
[22:22] <slangasek> mathiaz: with suitable testing it looks like it may be acceptable.  Are there a subset of these fixes that have been identified as critical for 8.04.1?
[22:22] <zul> mathiaz: I have it locally I just had to make one change to the build-deps for hardy
[22:22] <zul> slangasek: I would say the syncrepl issues
[22:22] <slangasek> zul: so everything prefixed as "syncrepl"? :)
[22:22] <zul> mathiaz: but I can upload to my ppa first
[22:22] <zul> slangasek: pretty much :)
[22:22] <mathiaz> zul: yeah - that would help in testing
[22:22] <slangasek> I would like to be able to weigh how many of these changes are critical, user-affecting bugs vs. fixes we could live without that may carry regressions
[22:23] <zul> mathiaz: ok
[22:23] <zul> slangasek: so go through the bug tracker and evaluate them?
[22:24] <slangasek> zul: well, I mean identifying which of the many bugs in this changelog are the ones driving this SRU request
[22:24] <mathiaz> how could the bug be classified ?
[22:24] <jdstrand> slangasek: is your thinking that maybe there are only 10 of the 100 that we really need for hardy, and those 10 may not be hard to backport to .7?
[22:24] <slangasek> rather than a global "look, they're all bugfixes", which doesn't give me a good way to weigh the risk against the benefit
[22:24] <slangasek> jdstrand: that's an option that should be kept on the table, yes
[22:25] <zul> slangasek: I would say the ones that the dynlist one and the syncrepl I havent checked the forums though
[22:25] <mathiaz> It seems that there is a whole set of bugs about syncrep
[22:25] <mathiaz> which is broken in 2.4.7 according to upstream
[22:25] <slangasek> and if it's a bad idea to do backporting, then someone can smack me and say that :)
[22:25] <mathiaz> and then there are some crashed
[22:25] <mathiaz> crashers
[22:25] <slangasek> right
[22:26] <mathiaz> so if we could classify which bugs are syncrepl related, which once are crashers
[22:26] <mathiaz> and document that in a bug, would that help in the SRU process ?
[22:26] <slangasek> yes
[22:27] <zul> I can do that
[22:27] <mathiaz> zul: ok - could you also check that tests are working correctly ?
[22:27] <zul> mathiaz: sure
[22:27] <mathiaz> zul: the current build process doesn't run make test
[22:27] <zul> mathiaz: correct
[22:28] <mathiaz> zul: but making sure it doesn't break would also help in the SRU process IMO
[22:28] <zul> mathiaz: gotcha, as a side note 2.4.9 has already been uploaded to my ppa
[22:28] <slangasek> I think we have some XFAILs with the current make test, which prevented it from being enabled
[22:28] <mathiaz> [ACTION] zul to break down the list of bugs fixed in 2.4.9 by categories (syncrepl, crashers, etc...)
[22:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to break down the list of bugs fixed in 2.4.9 by categories (syncrepl, crashers, etc...)
[22:29] <jdstrand> zul: it would be useful to compare the build tests of .7 and .9
[22:29] <zul> jdstrand: ok will do
[22:29] <jdstrand> zul: like slangasek said, hardy has some known failures, so we are most interested in not introducing more
[22:29] <mathiaz> slangasek: and the deadline for getting it included in 8.04.1 is friday ?
[22:30] <ogra> it was last friday actually :)
[22:30] <lukehasnoname> rofl
[22:30] <ogra> it is extended already
[22:30] <soren> Er... So why is the point release scheduled for July 10th on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule ?
[22:31] <jdstrand> sommer: openssl
[22:31] <jdstrand> soren: ^
[22:31] <soren> i thought the deadline this week was for targeting stuff for the point release, and then the actual deadline for getting it in was significantly later?
[22:31] <Keybuk> soren: it's proposed, reather than scheduled?
[22:31] <soren> Keybuk: Point.
[22:32] <lukehasnoname> HardyReleaseSchedule says July 3rd
[22:32] <lukehasnoname> er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[22:32] <soren> Keybuk: I'm not sure what you're implying, though (if anything)?
[22:33] <Keybuk> soren: I'm not implying anything
[22:33] <soren> That it might be even later? Or that it could be any time at all, including July 10th?
[22:33] <Keybuk> I have no idea when 8.04.1 is ;)
[22:33] <soren> Keybuk: Ok :)
[22:33] <Keybuk> I've just seen three different dates
[22:33] <Keybuk> so don't necessarily believe that one
[22:33] <Keybuk> slangasek will _definitely_ know when 8.04.1 is :)
[22:34] <soren> Maybe iz sekrit?
[22:34] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on as zul has taken up the task of providing more information about this.
[22:35] <dendrobates> here here,
[22:35] <owh> dendrobates: Where?
[22:35] <Koon> there.
[22:35] <jdstrand> there -->
[22:35] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Blog
[22:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Blog
[22:35] <kirkland> we're now a Dr. Suess poem
[22:36] <sommer> heh
[22:36] <mathiaz> As discussed during last UDS, soren dendrobates and I promised to blog more often
[22:36] <mathiaz> so I've created an Ubuntu Server Blog - http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/
[22:36] <soren> You lucky people!
[22:36] <slangasek> soren: if you're talking about getting things included in the point release, those need to land in -updates well before the July 10 deadline, because we have to roll & validate CD images
[22:36] <soren> slangasek: Sure, sure.
[22:37] <mathiaz> I still need to fix planet.ubuntu.com to show it
[22:37] <slangasek> s/deadline/release date/
[22:37] <ScottK> mathiaz: Are other developers able to contribute to the blog?
[22:37] <mathiaz> ScottK: in the mid term, I hope to
[22:37] <slangasek> now OTOH, if you don't need it to be part of .1, then you don't have a deadline either :)
[22:37] <mathiaz> ScottK: but first, I'd like to figure out the editorial policy
[22:38] <mathiaz> What kind of content will go there
[22:38] <mathiaz> I'm planning to publish the minutes of the meeting there
[22:38] <zul> obviously not pictures of monkeys...*cough* soren *cough*
[22:38] <ScottK> mathiaz: OK, but I think limiting an Ubuntu server blog to Canonical employees is not a good message.
[22:38] <owh> mathiaz: That policy will depend on what you want it to do and whom you want the audience to be I suspect.
[22:38] <soren> slangasek: The main question was whether the deadline this week was for targeting things for a release that would happen much later or for actually getting the stuff into said release.
[22:38] <nijaba> mathiaz: aren't the minutes publically avail on the wiki already??
[22:38] <mathiaz> owh: exactly - this still needs to be figured out
[22:38] <slangasek> soren: for getting stuff into that release
[22:39] <mathiaz> nijaba: yes they are - just another channel to push them
[22:39] <soren> slangasek: Oh. Ok.
[22:39] <mathiaz> ScottK: I really hope that every one in the Ubuntu Server team will be able to blog there
[22:39] <nijaba> mathiaz: I don't see any gain in duplication.  I'd think that having a pointer to them would be enough
[22:39] <nealmcb> does planet ubuntu have ways of marking sub-channels?
[22:39] <lukehasnoname> Do Canonical employees have an official blog link?
[22:39]  * ScottK \o/ - The missing 'J' key is back on his laptop.
[22:39] <mathiaz> ScottK: We'd just have to figure out what type of content goes there
[22:40] <owh> mathiaz: I agree with nijaba on the duplication side of things.
[22:40] <nealmcb> I'd probably prefer to blog from my own site, but would like to see appropriate posts available via e.g. tags at planet.ubuntu
[22:40] <mathiaz> nijaba: yes - I'll link there -  I only write stuff once
[22:40] <mathiaz> nijaba: but publish it in different channels
[22:40] <ScottK> mathiaz: I think if you write a 2 sentence mission statement and then give developers access it'll be fine (plus select others).
[22:41] <owh> ScottK: How do you plan to "select others"?
[22:41] <nealmcb> maybe like a "planet ubuntu server" to go with the others there
[22:41] <nijaba> mathiaz: I would think it is a great place for dev to comment their advance on their tasks
[22:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: correct - that's what I'd like to see as the content
[22:41] <owh> Even for those who have meeting action points to put updates forward.
[22:41] <mathiaz> I don't think post about how-tos would be acceptable.
[22:42] <nealmcb> ... but  I don't know if those show up in planet.ubuntu.com also, or what - I'll look more into it
[22:42] <dendrobates> mathiaz: I am not sure I see the reasoning for separating out the server blogs from the Planet.
[22:42] <mathiaz> dendrobates: I haven't suggested - nealmcb is
[22:42] <nealmcb> "others" could just be like with planet.ubuntu - all "members"
[22:42] <owh> Under blogger anyone can send an email to a 'sekrit' address which a moderator can choose to publish. Perhaps any member of the ubuntu-server team should be able to submit a post.
[22:43] <dendrobates> why not just have individual server team members blog to the planet?  Or are you just trying to make it easier for them to do so?
[22:43] <ogra> just set up planet.server.ubuntu.com :) and devs can add their feeds to both if you want specific server blogs in one space
[22:43] <mathiaz> owh: that's another option - may be I'll refine the policy once submitted content is available
[22:44] <Koon> dendrobates: a common blog is ncie for those who can't commit to one article per week
[22:44] <Koon> nice, even.
[22:44] <nijaba> ogra; isn't that what tagging is for?
[22:44] <owh> ogra: I think the idea is "the voice of ubuntu-server", rather than the voice of John Bob.
[22:44] <mathiaz> dendrobates: I'm more thinking about the google team blogs
[22:45] <mathiaz> dendrobates: that's a useful place to go to if you wanna follow the hapenings of a specific google product
[22:45]  * nealmcb needs to figure out why pidgin is hanging and crashing - related to pulse-audio and remote sound servers?
[22:45] <ogra> nijaba, not sure how well planet handles that
[22:45] <ScottK> owh: I think it's pretty clear who is contributing.
[22:45] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[22:45] <ogra> bu you need a separate aggregarot in any case i think
[22:45] <nealmcb> permission via launchpad and bzr...
[22:46] <ogra> *aggregator
[22:46] <owh> I agree, the blog could "demistify" discussions that we all understand but leave our user-base with questions. Like, why kvm and not Xen, and another webmin vs ebox, etc.
[22:46] <lukehasnoname> Yes, why not Xen? >_>
[22:46] <mathiaz> so it seems that a editirial policy needs to be figured out before other post can be published
[22:46] <lukehasnoname> *answer me later on that, seriously*
[22:47] <nijaba> owh: see, you already have a couple blog entry to write ;)
[22:47] <soren> lukehasnoname: Don't get me started... :)
[22:47] <ScottK> mathiaz: I think the most critical policy decision that will need to be made is if it's permissable to mention related commercial services.
[22:47] <owh> nijaba: ROTFL
[22:47] <owh> ScottK: What kind of services were you thinking of?
[22:48] <mathiaz> So for now on, I'll be the only one to post there - once I've figured out what type of post goes there, I'll open up the blog to others
[22:48] <owh> mathiaz: Perhaps you could open that up to include posts submitted to you via email.
[22:48] <mathiaz> If someone has suggestion wrt to the policy or an idea for a post, contact me
[22:49] <danshearer> lukehasnoname: pls excuse me, but I'm not sure how serious that question actually was. Within the server team is this settled?
[22:49] <mathiaz> we'll figure out if it's worth putting there
[22:49] <nijaba> danshearer: I confirm that IT IS
[22:49] <lukehasnoname> I do believe we need some sort of blog or forum for "pop" discussion, recurring topics like popular software, GUI discussions, high level stuff
[22:49] <mathiaz> I'll probably have a better idea of the issues once contributions arrive.
[22:49] <zul> lukehasnoname: ubuntuforums
[22:49] <lukehasnoname> danshearer: It is serious, I got your earlier msg, but let's not discuss it right now, here. I have to leave work soon anyway. Email me if you wish.
[22:49] <owh> mathiaz: Yeah, I don't think there is any point in having posts about the weather and pizza, but more "meta" submissions.
[22:49] <soren> danshearer: What is? That KVM is the good stuff and Xen not so much?
[22:50] <ScottK> owh: Any.  Ubuntu Server is a FOSS product, not a commercial one.
[22:50] <lukehasnoname> zul: Ya, uf, but how many people in the real dev team/Canonical acutally browse that? they stick to the mailing list
[22:50] <owh> ScottK: Sure, but people have to eat as well.
[22:50] <mathiaz> Ok - so let's move on
[22:50] <danshearer> I'm more asking to what extent the pros and cons of this have been aired.
[22:50] <ogra> ScottK, and ?
[22:50] <ScottK> Personally, I think it's OK, but it should be decided.  I'd be against Canonical gets to announce their commercial stuff and others don't.
[22:51] <danshearer> Within the Server team, and what forum would be best for trying to summarise these issues.
[22:51] <ogra> ScottK, why shouldnt people blog about cool new commercial services ... as long as they tell its commercial
[22:51] <ScottK> ogra: I believe they should.
[22:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Webmin and ebox discussion on ubuntu-user
[22:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Webmin and ebox discussion on ubuntu-user
[22:51] <danshearer> Don't want to distract the meeting. But if gobby.ubuntu worked I'd start one now. It certainly isn't a simple question.
[22:51] <mathiaz> owh ?
[22:51] <owh> Yeah
[22:51] <ogra> ScottK, ah, then i misunderstood
[22:51] <owh> A question was asked in ubuntu-users@ about ebox vs. webmin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-May/147651.html
[22:51] <slangasek> ogra: I believe he said that it shouldn't be a channel that's exclusively for Canonical's use, not that people shouldn't blog
[22:51] <owh> I towed the "company line" as I understand it and indicated that webmin was removed from Ubuntu and Debian because it does not handle configuration files as we do.
[22:51] <ScottK> ogra: I just want a clear policy up front.
[22:51] <owh> There was comment that ebox stores all configuration files inside its own directory and also that a new version of webmin was available - including Debian packages.
[22:51] <ogra> right
[22:51] <owh> The discussions I've looked at since indicate a genuine confusion and many are still recommending webmin over ebox.
[22:52] <owh> Thus I committed to asking here in the meeting for further comment and enlightenment - herewith.
[22:52] <ScottK> Webmin has always built .deb packages you could get off their web site.
[22:52] <owh> Our blog could help here :)
[22:52] <soren> danshearer: gobby.ubuntu.com works fine.. And there's already a document about it from UDS in Boston. Anyhow, let's discuss this elsewhere.
[22:52] <dendrobates> this meeting is falling apart.  What is our current topic.
[22:52] <ScottK> [TOPIC] Webmin and ebox discussion on ubuntu-user
[22:52] <lukehasnoname> I believe that whatever we do, there needs to be SOME sort of remote, all-in-one, graphical admin tool
[22:53] <nealmcb> owh: good summary.  mathiaz and I have yet to find a good current "smoking gun" indicating a problem with config files and webmin
[22:53] <ScottK> I think that's agreed.
[22:53] <owh> And I believe I have the floor.
[22:53] <ScottK> nealmcb: I've seen it break postfix configs.  I think I pointed that example out to you before.
[22:53] <dendrobates> mathiaz: move on please!
[22:53] <lukehasnoname> ESPECIALLY one that can be installed from tasksel, like LAMP, Mail, SSH, etc. This is where Ubuntu is one step above the rest.
[22:53] <owh> The issue in debian appears to be this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897
[22:53] <nealmcb> ScottK: is that a current problem, or something from a while ago?
[22:54] <owh> Which indicates that the maintainer has been struggling a long time to package webmin sensibly.
[22:54] <ScottK> nealmcb: Within the last year IIRC.
[22:54] <nealmcb> see also https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2873
[22:54] <owh> The debian bug I showed was posted on Sunday, 18 December 2005
[22:54] <mathiaz> owh: so nealmcb and I looked into that a couple of week ago
[22:55] <owh> Excellent, what was the outcome?
[22:55] <mathiaz> owh: from my point of view, webmin gives to much power to the target users
[22:55] <mathiaz> owh: they can easily shoot themselves and break their configuration
[22:55] <nealmcb> ScottK: was that a bug in webmin, or a problem that is fundamental to webmin but not ebox, or a difficulty with any config system?
[22:55] <mathiaz> owh: and then unable to repair their configuration
[22:55] <ScottK> nealmcb: I've got no idea.
[22:56] <mathiaz> owh: webmin is a web front end to edit configuration files
[22:56] <owh> mathiaz: But couldn't you say the same for ssh and vi?
[22:56] <mathiaz> owh: if you've figured out every option in webmin you can use ssh and vi
[22:56] <owh> mathiaz: What I mean is that if you break it, you get to keep both parts.
[22:56] <nealmcb> one thing we generally like about ebox is that it has a higher-level notion of what the user is probably trying to do, rather than being closely tied to config file syntax
[22:56] <ogra> owh, thats not really ubuntu
[22:56] <mathiaz> owh: exactly - the issue IMO is with the target audience
[22:57] <owh> nealmcb: But feedback seems to be that ebox stores stuff in its own structure and doesn't use or reuse the configurations.
[22:57] <owh> mathiaz: Excellent, now we're getting somewhere.
[22:57] <nealmcb> but I think it would help to have more folks review ebox carefully and help keep it on track.  I think functional, safe gui management is very important to ubuntu server
[22:57] <mathiaz> owh: yes - ebox has the same problem
[22:57]  * lukehasnoname will install Ubuntu server on a spare box and try out ebox asap
[22:57] <mathiaz> owh: but it gives less power to the end user
[22:58] <ogra> it provides lead socks for the feet :)
[22:58] <owh> So, let me get this straight. Webmin works, but it can bork stuff seriously. Ebox has a meta-view of the GUI and it's not yet finished.
[22:59] <lukehasnoname> ubottu: no sir
[22:59] <owh> So as ubuntu-server we decided that we need to help our users - isn't that a slippy-slope to "bob" the paperclip?
[22:59] <mathiaz> Riddell: is the Kubuntu meeting now ?
[22:59] <ScottK> Looks like our time is about expired and there is another meeting.
[22:59] <nealmcb> owh: I'd like more folks to try both of them and document what they see.  I see this fitting back into our "strategy" discussion also
[22:59] <owh> nealmcb: I agree.
[22:59] <ogra> owh, i think the better term is "do it right"
[23:00] <owh> ogra: That is a helpful way of looking at it, thanks.
[23:00]  * owh is done with topic.
[23:00] <ogra> which webmin surely doesnt and ebox isnt doing *yet*
[23:00] <mathiaz> owh: great - thanks for the question
[23:00] <owh> ogra: Ah, but there are developers for that :)
[23:00] <lukehasnoname> Gentlemen, I must go home from work now, but I'll be continuing some of these topics on the ubuntu-server mailing list.
[23:00] <ogra> owh, indeed :)
[23:00] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Limesurvey
[23:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Limesurvey
[23:00] <lukehasnoname> lively discussion
[23:01] <nijaba> Kees verified the new version of Limesurvey: unfortunately not all issues that he reported have been solved (or correctly solved) in the latest version...
[23:01] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^ ?
[23:01] <nijaba> As we are clearly running out of time, here are a few possibilities:
[23:01] <nijaba> 1/ run it on proprietary software Canonical has paid for (would not be running on ubuntu.com, has a limited feature set compared to limesurvey)
[23:01] <Riddell> mathiaz: yes
[23:01] <nijaba> 2/ run it on survey monkey (would not be on ubuntu.com, not fully evaluated)
[23:01]  * nealmcb looks forward to at least learning lukehasnoname's email addr :)
[23:01] <ScottK> mathiaz: How about move to #ubuntu-server
[23:01] <mathiaz> ScottK: right - let's move to #ubuntu-server
[23:01] <lukehasnoname> lukehasnoname@gmail.com
[23:01] <mathiaz> nijaba: and all -> #ubuntu-server
[23:02] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[23:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:03.
[23:02] <Riddell> -- MARK --
[23:02] <nealmcb> lukehasnoname: :)
[23:02] <Riddell> anyone here for a Kubuntu meeting?
[23:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Here
[23:02]  * Nightrose waves
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> yep
[23:02] <yuriy> here :)
[23:02] <mobiusNZ> Riddell: yep
[23:02]  * a|wen waves
[23:02] <mhb> we are!
[23:02] <Arby> yep
[23:03] <a|wen> mhb: how many are you today?
[23:03]  * apachelogger_ waves
[23:03]  * seele waves
[23:03] <mhb> a|wen: 5-10
[23:03] <Riddell> nixternal: ?
[23:03] <a|wen> cool ;)
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> mhb: those drugs aren't good for you... I assure you :P
[23:03] <Riddell> well good evening Friends
[23:03] <Riddell> agenda is at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[23:04] <Riddell> first item is our annual council reshuffle
[23:04] <Riddell> hobbsee, kwwii and lure have all said they're happy to step down
[23:05] <Riddell> so I suggest we swap those three for three brand new members
[23:05] <Riddell> does that seem sensible?
[23:05] <seele> yes
[23:06] <apachelogger_> totally
[23:06]  * a|wen nods
[23:06] <Riddell> groovy
[23:06] <Riddell> so now we're looking for names for three active kubuntu folks who would like to serve on the council
[23:06] <Riddell> preferably a good spread of talents and areas of interest
[23:06] <Riddell> any volunteers or nominees?
[23:07] <mhb> seele, ScottK
[23:07] <seele> mhb, ScottK!
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger (or is he already on it?)
[23:07] <Riddell> remaining members are me, tonio and nixternal
[23:07] <yuriy> apachelogger_, ScottK
[23:07]  * mhb votes for apachelogger_ , too
[23:07] <seele> oh yeah.. apachelogger_!
[23:07] <apachelogger_> uha
[23:07] <apachelogger_> :)
[23:07] <seele> how about everyone on the list from UDS?
[23:07] <a|wen> apachelogger_, ScottK, yuriy
[23:08] <seele> who is on the council now?
[23:08] <Riddell> seele: see above
[23:08] <seele> Riddell, nixternal, and i forget the third
[23:08] <apachelogger_> uha
[23:08] <seele> oh, tonio
[23:08] <apachelogger_> hm
[23:08]  * apachelogger_ is clearly in a loop
[23:08]  * Nightrose pokes apachelogger_ out of the loop :P
[23:08] <apachelogger_> thank you honey
[23:08] <Nightrose> yw ;-)
[23:09] <Riddell> the list at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil which is mostly that first names that came to me, included mhb, Nightrose, yuriy as well as names that have been suggested
[23:09] <seele> kill -9 apachelogger_
[23:09] <seele> ouch
[23:09] <apachelogger_> omg
[23:09] <seele> lol
[23:09] <apachelogger_> Riddell: that list looks very sane to me
[23:09] <Riddell> apachelogger_: but the trouble is getting it down to three :)
[23:10] <seele> is nixternal and tonio here?
[23:10] <ScottK> Did we find someone who is active in user support?
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> make a slashdot poll! problem solved
[23:10] <Riddell> seele: don't seem to be
[23:10] <apachelogger_> oh
[23:10] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: lol
[23:10] <apachelogger_> I have an idea
[23:10] <apachelogger_> letz use a random number generator :D
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> I'm active in User support
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> but not much else :P
[23:10] <mhb> I'm fine with not being in the council.
[23:10] <Riddell> mhb, seele, Nightrose, apachelogger_, ScottK, yuriy: would you be willing and able to be on the council?
[23:11] <apachelogger_> sure
[23:11] <seele> sure
[23:11] <apachelogger_> everything for the project :)
[23:11]  * Nightrose would be willing and able :)
[23:11] <seele> POPJINX!
[23:11] <Nightrose> right ;-)
[23:11] <ScottK> Yes.
[23:11]  * yuriy looks into #kubuntu and sees coreymon77 as the only familiar name
[23:11]  * seele coughs.
[23:11] <mhb> I'm fine with being in the council, too.
[23:11] <yuriy> and nosrednaekim in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: i'm in #kubuntu as well :P
[23:11] <yuriy> willing and able
[23:11] <apachelogger_> nosrednaekim: you certainly don't look familiar then
[23:12] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: i was looking at who spoke in the last 3 pages or so
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[23:13] <Riddell> all good names
[23:13] <Riddell> I'd rather avoid voting since then things get personal, and the council is just a way of sampling the community's feeling when we need it
[23:13] <mhb> right
[23:14] <ScottK> Riddell: I like voting.
[23:14] <mhb> like I said, I'm fine not being in the list.
[23:14] <mhb> I have trust in all the other candidates.
[23:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Voting has a downside, but it's also the most valid source of legitimacy in a volunteer project.
[23:14]  * yuriy is fine either way as well and thinks others are better candidates but appreciates being nominated
[23:15] <yuriy> what way other than voting?
[23:15] <ScottK> Riddell picks is another viable approach.
[23:15] <seele> or Riddell just picks
[23:15] <ScottK> He's got enough community support that that would work too.
[23:15] <Riddell> the trick is to find the right way forward
[23:15] <yuriy> vote on whether to vote :P
[23:16] <apachelogger_> yuriy: that is going to loop at some point as well
[23:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I could help someone not involved in the election set up a proper condorcet (modulo the spelling) ballot.
[23:16] <Riddell> looking at the balance of talents, keenness and timezones I'm drawn to the names of seele, Nightrose and ScottK
[23:16]  * yuriy pokes apachelogger_ further out of the loop
[23:17]  * a|wen would be confident in Riddell picking
[23:17] <apachelogger_> yuriy: at some point that is going to lead to a crash :P
[23:17] <mhb> why not.
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: your judgement is cool with me :)
[23:17]  * ScottK looks for an escape.
[23:17] <yuriy> an escape?
[23:17] <Riddell> other suggestions for groups of three would be welcome :)
[23:17] <apachelogger_> hm
[23:18] <apachelogger_> ScottK: say something bad about KDE
[23:18] <ScottK> Heh.
[23:18] <yuriy> not able/willing?
[23:18] <apachelogger_> Riddell: just use some random number generator
[23:18] <ScottK> If picked I'll do it, but I'm not actively seeking it.
[23:18] <ScottK> I'm good with Riddell choosing.
[23:18] <Riddell> that is a sign of a good candidate :)
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> ScottK: you can't win :P
[23:19]  * yuriy wonders where nixternal is
[23:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't do much of anything in terms of user work or bug triage.  Are people who do those things represented.
[23:20] <ScottK> ?
[23:20] <seele> besides voting members, what all do council do?
[23:20] <seele> *does
[23:20] <seele> most important decisions get made at uds
[23:21] <Riddell> seele: occationally vote on minutae when there's no clear decision, I think we had a vote on dolphin vs konqueror once
[23:21] <yuriy> hmm seele Nightrose and ScottK  sounds like a nicely balance group
[23:22]  * ScottK would have liked to have voted on that one.
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> haha, me too
[23:22] <Riddell> any other suggestions for groups of three names that would work?
[23:22] <mhb> let's get it over with
[23:23] <neversfelde> can't we use launchpad for a secret vote, should not be to personal?
[23:23] <mhb> we've got more interesting things on the agenda
[23:23] <a|wen> Nightrose, ScottK ...  yuriy | nosrednaekim
[23:23]  * nosrednaekim gasps
[23:23]  * a|wen knows that is two suggestions
[23:24]  * ScottK gets a lot of bugmail from yuriy.  He'd be good.
[23:24]  * apachelogger_ agrees with ScottK
[23:24] <nixternal> woo
[23:24]  * apachelogger_ gives nixternal a cookie
[23:24] <Nightrose> ohhh the nixternal ;-)
[23:24]  * claydoh is sorry for being late :(
[23:24] <nixternal> I can't believe I missed this working on the release notes
[23:25] <a|wen> Nightrose: welcome :)
[23:25] <a|wen> nixternal**
[23:25] <Nightrose> heh
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> definately yuriy over myself...
[23:25] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/kde-4.1beta1.tar.gz <- for the website - you can post it in about an hour or so
[23:26] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[23:26] <nixternal> alrighty, we still working on the council topic?
[23:26] <Nightrose> yes
[23:26] <nixternal> k, who are the candidates thus far?
[23:26] <apachelogger_> you can stick with it for a bit, I didn't finish that merge yet
[23:27] <Riddell> mhb, seele, Nightrose, apachelogger_, ScottK, yuriy, nosrednaekim I think
[23:27] <Riddell> find the three out of that who offer the best balance
[23:27] <nixternal> and I take it we will let the community sort that out to 3 and we can approve, or do we have to vote on each member? or....why not setup a poll on LP
[23:28] <ScottK> nixternal: If we are going to have an election, we ought to do a proper one and not the half baked thing LP calls an election.
[23:28] <Riddell> polls take time, get personal and at the end of it you might end up with three people without a spread of talents
[23:29] <nixternal> Riddell: does the current council have to select 3 then?
[23:29] <ScottK> We've got a rough consensus around the process being "Riddell picks".
[23:29] <mhb> Riddell: you can't make it not personal at this point
[23:29] <nixternal> cuz this is super tuff, every candidate is freakin' perfect imho
[23:29] <Riddell> nixternal: ideally the community would
[23:29] <nixternal> whew
[23:29] <coreymon77> im here, just came back from dinner
[23:29] <mhb> Riddell: someone won't get there and that someone won't be happy about it
[23:29] <nixternal> or we could do a rock-scissors-paper tournament
[23:30] <Riddell> mhb: sure we can, they're all great names, it's just a case of the most balanced people
[23:30] <apachelogger_> nixternal: uhh, I'd like that
[23:30] <nixternal> hehe
[23:30] <coreymon77> huh?
[23:30] <coreymon77> what are we voting on?
[23:30] <coreymon77> somebody fill me in if you dont mind
[23:30] <yuriy> coreymon77: trying to select three new people for community council
[23:30] <apachelogger_> CC
[23:30] <mhb> I'd just let Riddell pick three and move on
[23:31] <nixternal> so, out of the candidates, who really wants to be on the KC, why do you want to be on the KC, and what will you bring to the KC?
[23:31] <nixternal> and who would be interested in being the REVU coordinator :P
[23:32] <Riddell> they're all too shy
[23:32] <apachelogger_> nah
[23:32] <nixternal> haha
[23:32] <nixternal> apachelogger_ is far from shy, a little weird ya
[23:32] <apachelogger_> because community is the most important part of shaping kubuntu to a 1st class citizen
[23:32] <apachelogger_> and
[23:32] <nixternal> :P
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> just pick riddel and nixternal.... we'll agree with wahetever
[23:32] <yuriy> well that eliminates those of us who don't know what a review coordinator is :D
[23:32] <apachelogger_> we need to get there :D
[23:32] <ScottK> nixternal: If selected I will serve, but I"m not campaigning.
[23:32]  * Nightrose would like to be on the KC to help grow the Kubuntu community - what I would bring is a talent for exactly that
[23:32] <apachelogger_> soon
[23:32] <apachelogger_> sooner
[23:32] <yuriy> *REVU
[23:32] <apachelogger_> the soonest
[23:33] <apachelogger_> and I say yuriy is a good revu coordiantor
[23:33] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  I won't be the REVU coordination.
[23:33] <nixternal> ScottK: who do you think you are? Barack Obama? :P
[23:33] <ScottK> nixternal: Most definitely not.
[23:33] <nixternal> haha
[23:33] <apachelogger_> lol
[23:33] <Nightrose> and sorry no interest in becomming the revu coordinator since you nixternal are doing a great job there :P
[23:33] <coreymon77> YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! :p
[23:33] <coreymon77> you gotta wonder
[23:33] <coreymon77> yes we can what?
[23:33] <seele> uhm.. hmm.  i guess i lose points.  i dont know what REVU is?
[23:33] <nixternal> lol
[23:33] <Riddell> I'm pondering seele, Nightrose and yuriy
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> I'd like to -- becuase I can bring a sense of what the users want from doing support.
[23:34] <apachelogger_> coreymon77: ah, tell us, cmon
[23:34] <nixternal> oh man, that took guts....I am having a really hard time picking 3..
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> but I'm don't know how busy I will be in the fall with college
[23:34] <coreymon77> apachelogger_: it was a joke
[23:34]  * apachelogger_ almost suggested nosrednaekim
[23:35] <Riddell> for good upstream connections, good community love and user and bug handling (plus people in US timezones)
[23:35] <coreymon77> apachelogger_: im canadian anyways
[23:35] <seele> hmm.. council.  i have a good (usually) relationship with upstream kde dev and usually work between kde and kubuntu anyway
[23:35] <apachelogger_> makes it even more confusing
[23:35]  * apachelogger_ continues merging
[23:35] <seele> i can help with the smashing of heads bit
[23:35] <nixternal> ahhh!
[23:35] <yuriy> as far as US timezones, I think every USian here except nixternal is E{S,D}T
[23:36] <seele> yeah, but nixternal is only 1 more behind and doesnt matter for evening meetings
[23:36] <seele> none of use easterners make the early meetings anyway
[23:36] <coreymon77> i canadian, but i am in eastern time zone too
[23:36] <coreymon77> oh ya, no way in heck can i make those 7 am meetings
[23:36] <coreymon77> sorry, but i just cant do it
[23:37] <coreymon77> even this starts right when i start dinner
[23:37] <coreymon77> so im usually 30 mins late
[23:37] <seele> i thought they were at 10UTC 6EST?
[23:37] <apachelogger_> ok, krecipes merged
[23:37] <seele> er, whatever 6am is.  maybe i counted wrong
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah... 6
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> 7 I could do
[23:37] <nixternal> whoa!
[23:38] <nixternal> I just drew names from an Ubuntu hat of all things, and here is what I drew in order:
[23:38] <nixternal> Nightrose, ScottK, and seele
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> the first three.
[23:38] <nixternal> now that is nuts
[23:38] <Nightrose> which was Riddell's first lineup ;-)
[23:39] <nixternal> what are the odds of picking 2 that Riddell chose
[23:39] <Nightrose> 3!
[23:39] <Riddell> nixternal: is that a serious suggestion though?
[23:40] <yuriy> hmm.. i think i'm a good candidate because i'm currently enrolled in a whole 3 classes next year
[23:40] <apachelogger_> like nixternal ever is serious
[23:40] <nixternal> Riddell: I could pick any combination of 3 and they would rock, but like you I do like the upstream connections with seele and Nightrose
[23:40]  * apachelogger_ notes that he has an never ending amount of time next year ;-)
[23:40] <nixternal> wait a second!!!
[23:41] <ScottK> Riddell: My suggestion is put the whole list out for comment to you for a week.  You take comments in private and then announce your decision.
[23:41] <yuriy> seele, Nightrose,  apachelogger_|ScottK
[23:41] <nixternal> I would like to take a good community vote myself on who they would helping to head up Kubuntu
[23:42] <nixternal> this almost feels like way to much pressure for me and I don't want to pick 3 and upset the others either....
[23:42] <Riddell> that's what this meeting is for
[23:42] <ScottK> nixternal: Since Riddell doesn't want a vote, he can get a sense of that from people who send him comments.
[23:42] <nixternal> I like every candidate a ton
[23:43] <nixternal> Riddell: as it stands, the 2 sticking out for me right now are: seele and ScottK as they both have way to much experience, and are proven leaders already
[23:44] <apachelogger_> can we settle these two?
[23:44] <nixternal> i am at a toss between Nightrose and apachelogger_ because they are 2 hardcore community people
[23:44] <nixternal> and I like the fresh blood that yuriy, nosrednaekim, and mhb bring
[23:44]  * ScottK likes any of them better than me.
[23:45] <apachelogger_> 45 minutes passed
[23:45] <Nightrose> awww ScottK  - come on ;-)
[23:45]  * apachelogger_ makes it easier by denominating himself
[23:45] <apachelogger_> GNOME > KDE
[23:45] <nixternal> jeesh
[23:45] <nixternal> hahaha, jerk
[23:45] <apachelogger_> :P
[23:45] <Nightrose> *lol*
[23:45] <nickellery> @schedule Vancouver
[23:46] <nixternal> umm, that Americas Ubuntu Membership meeting isn't supposed to be until tomorrow
[23:46] <nixternal> anyways
[23:46] <nickellery> really?
[23:46] <nickellery> thats what i thought
[23:46] <nickellery> then i saw that
[23:46] <nixternal> according to the mailing list they said June 5
[23:46] <nickellery> yea, that's what I assumed
[23:47]  * ScottK smacks nixternal back on topic
[23:47] <nickellery> I'll check Fridge
[23:47] <Riddell> pondering the names I'm still thinking seele, nixternal, yuriy offer the best ballance
[23:47] <nixternal> haha
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> nightrose?
[23:47] <apachelogger_> yeah
[23:47] <apachelogger_> I'd go with nixternal
[23:47] <nixternal> Riddell: I have to agree on balance
[23:47] <apachelogger_> he has a bit of an alter ego anyway :D
[23:47] <nixternal> lol
[23:47] <nixternal> Riddell: seele, Nightrose, and yuriy for me then
[23:47] <ScottK> Vote nixternal in twice and make him do twice the work.
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> heh
[23:47] <Riddell> err yes, I ment to say Nightrose
[23:47] <Nightrose> hehe
[23:47] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOO!
[23:47] <a|wen> ha :)
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> he already does twice the work :P
[23:48] <apachelogger_> hm
[23:48] <ScottK> Twice again then.
[23:48] <apachelogger_> more work for nixternal
[23:48] <apachelogger_> sounds reasonable
[23:48] <nickellery> The Fridge says its tomorrow http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1497 .... who can be contacted to fix this?
[23:48] <coreymon77> nixternal seems good
[23:48] <nixternal> nickellery: me
[23:48] <a|wen> back to topic ... nixternal's suggestion sound very reasonable
[23:48] <coreymon77> hes always been helpful
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: he's already on it :P
[23:49] <Riddell> so let's do an irc vote on seele, Nightrose, and yuriy
[23:49] <Riddell> +1 from me
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> +1
[23:50] <nixternal> +1
[23:50] <apachelogger_> +1
[23:50] <a|wen> +1 (if my vote counts)
[23:50] <Riddell> all votes count
[23:50] <nixternal> -2
[23:50] <nixternal> :P
[23:50] <a|wen> :)
[23:50] <mhb> +1 so we can move on
[23:50] <Riddell> seele, Nightrose, yuriy: do you accept?
[23:50] <apachelogger_> oh, moving on
[23:50] <apachelogger_> -1
[23:50]  * Nightrose accepts
[23:50] <nixternal> strange :)
[23:51] <seele> yes
[23:51] <nixternal> we have 1
[23:51]  * apachelogger_ has another merge to do
[23:51]  * yuriy wonders what the minuses are about
[23:51] <nixternal> 2
[23:51] <nixternal> and .....
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt+del -> click on nixternal->kill process
[23:51] <yuriy> i accept
[23:51] <nixternal> yuriy: jokes of course
[23:51] <nixternal> 3
[23:51] <Riddell> one caveat with Nightrose, you're not yet a member as I can see
[23:51] <nixternal> d'oh
[23:51] <Nightrose> true
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh! :)
[23:51] <seele> ah, well let's vote on that right now
[23:51] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[23:51] <apachelogger_> lol
[23:51] <yuriy> hahaha
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> seele: we can't.... its a membership board now.
[23:52] <apachelogger_> that technically would make the voting illegal
[23:52] <apachelogger_> yay
[23:52] <apachelogger_> we just voted outsiders in the circle of power
[23:52] <ScottK> +1 from me
[23:52] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: we can, it's one of the main functions of kubuntu council
[23:52] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: oh....so kubuntu membership is different from the ubuntu membership process?
[23:52] <seele> can she be on council without being a member?
[23:52] <Riddell> nope
[23:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: want us to consider your membership now or at a following meeting (i.e. do you have a few keen words to say and a wiki page)
[23:53] <ScottK> Nightrose: Have you accepted the Ubuntu Code of Conduct?
[23:53] <Nightrose> i have a wiki page - give me a second
[23:53] <Nightrose> ScottK: i have
[23:53]  * yuriy wonders how you can be on council and need to prove yourself as a member
[23:53] <Nightrose> my wikipage is at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Nightrose
[23:53] <Riddell> do we have anyone else going for membership at this meeting?
[23:54] <Pretto> America membership?
[23:54] <nixternal> Pretto: tomorrow night
[23:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: why would you like to be a kubuntu member?
[23:54] <Pretto> nixternal, but in wiki it says today night for Brazil
[23:54] <Nightrose> well first of all i think i can help make kubuntu rock by growing its community
[23:54] <yuriy> Nightrose: remember you only get one vote, so if you -1 yourself we'll still vote you in
[23:54] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: future plans?
[23:55] <Nightrose> second I am doing a lot of advocacy for kubuntu at various events
[23:55] <Nightrose> yuriy: ;-)
[23:55] <nixternal> yay \o/
[23:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: more bugfixing and community work
[23:55] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: do you think it is important for kubuntu to support kubuntu focused LoCos better? or is it just as good to have them as part of an ubuntu LoCo?
[23:56]  * emonkey can prove that, Nightrose was great at least at the last LinuxTag
[23:56] <nixternal> slow down apachelogger_, you are taking some of my questions :)
[23:56] <apachelogger_> sorry :(
[23:56] <ScottK> The hour is about up.
[23:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: hmmm I would love to see them work together better but seeing that this does not work very well for the german team...
[23:56]  * ScottK votes +1 and suggest we move on ...
[23:56] <apachelogger_> Oo
[23:56] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: it does not?
[23:56] <nixternal> we have a 2 hour time slot
[23:56] <apachelogger_> emonkey: it does not?
[23:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: not as good as it could
[23:57] <ScottK> Ah.  Nevermind then.
[23:57] <emonkey> It always could better, but there is potential for more, that's true
[23:57] <nixternal> argh, brb....I have to help the neighbor really quick...5 minutes
[23:57] <nixternal> +1 from me btw
[23:57] <apachelogger_> +1
[23:58] <apachelogger_> everyone just write some +1
[23:58] <yuriy> +1
[23:58] <Nightrose> thank you :)
[23:58] <apachelogger_> I need to go to bed at some point :P
[23:58] <Nightrose> heh
[23:58] <nosrednaekim> +1 * inf
[23:58] <Riddell> +1 from me for fosscamp contributions, linuxtag and lots more
[23:58] <seele> +1
[23:58] <a|wen> +1
[23:58] <Riddell> congratulations and welcome to membership Nightrose
[23:58] <Nightrose> \o/
[23:58] <Nightrose> thanks
[23:58]  * Nightrose grouphugs
[23:59] <yuriy> \_o_/
[23:59] <Serega> Nightrose: congratulations!
[23:59] <Riddell> so if we're sure there's no other meeting happening here just now we can carry on with the agenda
[23:59] <yuriy> Nightrose: congratulations
[23:59] <yuriy> and thank you all
[23:59] <Nightrose> thanks Serega and yuriy
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> someone going to blog this? I'll volunteer...
[23:59] <a|wen> Riddell: according to topic, we have another two hours