[01:04] good morning === asac_ is now known as asac [03:45] Right. Native packages should not be versioned as packagename_upstreamversion-placeholder-0ubuntu0 === matt_c_ is now known as matt_c [07:14] good morning === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [12:15] Hmm upon kernel upgrade to -18, I had to turn off the device as the graphics wouldn't come up on reboot [12:15] I wonder whether it's specific to this upgrade, or whether it's after a bunch of reboots [12:28] which graphics exactly ? usplash ? the HW itself ? X after usplash ? [12:29] (note that the -intel X driver was updates as well very recently, might be related) [12:32] lool: I had that on Tuesday, but today's image brought up graphics fine. [12:37] the -intel change in -proposed was uploaded on monday [12:41] Could be the -intel update [14:13] hi all, I would like write a statusbar plugin in python for ume, but python-hildondesktop is not in ubuntu repositories and ume ppa. Should I use another module or compile python-hildondesktop? [14:16] rbelem: Up to you, really. If you find python-hildondesktop easier, that might be the way to go. [14:17] persia, Is there another way to write statusbar plugins? [14:19] rbelem: Off the top of my head, I'll say there's also bindings for C. I'm also booting my latest image to see how the current set is doing it. [14:19] egg.trayicon [14:20] nice! [14:21] will python-hildondesktop package be added do repository? [14:22] Bah. The working mouse changed. [14:24] :-) [14:28] rbelem: It seems all the statusbar applets in my build are done in C. [14:29] but if you want python, have a look at that example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16874/ [14:29] persia, I saw that in my ume image too :-/ [14:30] (needs egg.trayicon from python-gnome2-extras) [14:30] * persia likes ogra's example, for less hildon and more upstream integration with GNOME [14:30] its quite trivial to do such icons if they are not applets [14:30] ogra, cool! [14:31] very simple [14:31] (but even applets are not that hard if you understand bonobo) [14:31] I was seeking for something like that [14:33] It's perfectly possible to make hildon run without orbit/bonobo [14:33] That's one of the space savings nokia did [14:33] this do not restrict my plugins to hildon [14:34] thanks ogra persia [14:40] ogra: [ian_brasil, hey, the trick is to end your session] ...how do i do this in ume? [14:41] killall x-session-manager would be the evil variant i guess [14:41] * persia uses Ctrl-Alt-Backspace [14:41] or pkill better [14:41] persia, from a script :) [14:41] ogra: Ah. Right. :) [14:42] lool: so just to confirm: ~ubuntu-mobile PPA is staging, so i can just upload there (hardy) ? [14:43] asac: ATM, it's not yet staging, but if it's release material you should upload there [14:43] asac: It's going to be staging when we move to archive.mobile.ubuntu.com [14:44] lool: i am asking for this xulrunner + midbrowser translations update [14:44] i have to upload there now [14:44] i guess i should upload midbrowser there too (while the other upload goes to -proposed) to not break things [14:44] can you confirm? [14:45] Yes; you can also upload to your ppa if you want to test before releaseing [14:46] ogra: thx...this works -> pkill -9 hildon-desktop [14:47] well, it might skip the "save yourself" signal if the session manager sends one [14:47] meaning that i.e. midbrowser will start with the restore session dialog since it will think it crashed [14:48] not sure hildon-desktop has any external switch for that to trigger apps for doing a proper shutdown though [14:52] lool: i dont wnat yet another step [14:52] :) [14:53] ill upload to mobile ... unlikely that it will break much more than the current -proposed upload [14:54] (in gnome your would do "gnome-session-save --kill --silent" to overcome that btw) [14:56] ogra, in the nokia 770 whe the power button is pressed a menu is displayed [14:57] and one of options is turn off [14:57] right, like the gnome-session dialog (if you omit the --silent switch in the above line) [14:58] yep, something similar [14:59] s/pressed/under pressure/ [14:59] :-) [14:59] heh === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov [15:47] is there a difference between "ubuntu mobile and embedded" and "ubuntu netbook remix"? [15:57] bpsew: Yes. They have different selections of software. [15:57] The naming is perhaps confusing, and this is the right place to discuss both. [15:58] "Mobile" is about 4-6" screens, and "Netbook" is about 7-9" screens (some people say 10", but I've seen too many 10" laptops to believe that) [15:59] can you name some of the different software? [16:02] bpsew: I'd have to compare the seeds to be sure: I don't have a Netbook install around. Netbook tends to have more screen area, and so more complicated apps. [16:06] ok [16:07] i'm asking myself... [16:07] will there be three versions of each program (think of pidgin e.g.), one for ubuntu desktop, one for netbook and one for ume? [16:10] hey guys....was trying to install ubuntu-mobile, but xulrunner version is blocking the midbrowser install [16:10] xulrunner-1.9 (1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~8.04.2) breaks midbrowser (<< 0.3.0rc1) and is installed [16:10] i cant find midbrowser 0.3.0rc1 anywhere [16:38] StevenK: ping - what's this about an abi change? [16:38] GrueMaster, -17 -18 and -19 all have ABI changes [16:38] Is it in any of the repositories yet? [16:39] And what should I build the psb-kmd modules against for testing and release? [16:40] GrueMaster, I'm sorting this out now. [16:40] More soon [16:40] ok [16:41] -18 should be in hardy-security already [16:41] -19 was just approved for building === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [17:30] davidm: I have -18, and will build for that. === rbelem is now known as rbelem-lunch [18:06] GrueMaster, yes, please build for the -18 release. [18:07] Done. [18:08] GrueMaster, thanks === Sciri is now known as Guest33490 === Sciri_ is now known as Sciri === Sciri_ is now known as Sciri === Sciri_ is now known as Sciri === robr__ is now known as robr [19:32] lool: What else does Software Update need? [19:44] persia: ? === Sciri__ is now known as Sciri [22:13] what is ubuntu-mobile going to use as it's media player? === robr___ is now known as robr