/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/04/#ubuntu-ops.txt

naliothsince you've not felt the need to cooperate with us, the irc council has decided to regain the channels in question as of 1800 hours US Central time tomorrow ( right now for everyone not in US CT )00:00
cody-somervilleI don't think Freenode will allow that to happen with my pending GC request.00:00
Mezcody-somerville, will you answer this? Was it a staffer who changed it?00:01
elky_workcody-somerville: we already have GCs for the channels. we'll have to approve you.00:01
elky_workand frankly, we are unlikely to do so.00:01
cody-somervilleXubuntu does not fall under the Ubuntu project's GC00:02
cody-somervilleregistration00:02
cody-somervilleThe same argument with #ubuntu-devel applies here.00:02
elky_workdon't doubt us.00:02
Mezcody-somerville, so xubuntu is not an Ubuntu goverened project? It has it's own govenance?00:03
PriceChildMez: This isn't relevant.00:03
cody-somervilleMez, It is an official derivative with strong collaboration with Ubuntu.00:03
elky_workcody-somerville: I know that i am GC for #xubuntu, because it was on my GCF.00:04
cody-somervilleelky, You had no right00:04
MezPriceChild, if it's not ubuntu governed - then it shouldnt be in the ubuntu GC namespace. The GCs are appointed by the CC..00:04
cody-somervilleIt was simply a mistake00:04
Mezcody-somerville, you didnt answer my question though.00:04
cody-somervilleMez, I was trying to do but I'm ctrl+u'ing to answer other questions00:04
cody-somervilleelky_work, Freenode will not look at who or what has happened or been registered in the past.00:05
Mezcody-somerville, feel free to take your time - they dont all need to be answered at once00:05
cody-somervilleThey will look and see that I am the project leader and that'll be that.00:05
elky_workcody-somerville: sorry, but you're wrong.00:05
PriceChildcody-somerville: Unless your form is 'approved', it will not be taken into account.00:05
PriceChildThat is my understanding at least.00:05
cody-somervillePriceChild, I'll make a phone call in a moment to whatever number I can find and have it approved this evening if possible00:05
naliothcody-somerville: who will you call, if you don't mind me asking?00:06
cody-somervilleFurthermore, I will contact the CC and ask them to issue an injunction formally prohibiting you have taking any sort of action00:06
cody-somervillenalioth, I'll have to look the contact information up. If it isn't openly available, I'm sure I know someone who can get me in touch with the appropriate authorities.00:06
* elky_work chortles coffee all over her keyboard and monitor.00:07
cody-somervilleBut I imagine there would be dire consequences for any of you on the council that are Freenode staff if you were to forcefully take over the channel with this knowledge.00:07
Mezcody-somerville, could you answer my question?00:07
naliothcody-somerville: the irc council voted00:07
cody-somervillenalioth, It means nothing. You. Have. No. Authority. Over. Xubuntu. Channels.00:08
cody-somervilleMez, Yes, it has its own governance.00:08
Mezcody-somerville, so it doesnt answer to the ubuntu CC?00:08
elky_workMez: the trademark issue remains though, which is why we have GC over the channels.00:08
cody-somervilleTrademark is owned by Canonical00:09
cody-somervilleAnd I'll call someone at Canonical if I have to00:09
elky_workand i'll call Mark if i have to.00:09
Mezmneptok, ping00:09
cody-somervilleelky_work, So will I00:09
Mezelky_work, do you have his number?00:09
elky_workMez: no, but i have elmos in my phone.00:09
PiciUgh.00:09
Seeker`cody-somerville: #xubuntu falls under the control of the CC?00:10
Mezelky_work, /msg00:10
Seeker`cody-somerville: ?00:11
cody-somervilleSeeker`, #xubuntu falls under the control of the Xubuntu project.00:11
Seeker`ok, lets start at the top00:11
Mezcody-somerville, does the control of the xubuntu project fall under the ubuntu CC00:12
tomawcody-somerville: as a member of freenode staff, I can confirm that #xubuntu falls within the control of the registered ubuntu project00:12
Seeker`xubuntu is an official derivative of ubuntu, yes?00:12
Mezaka, if the CC wanted you to take a direction, and you disagreed, would you00:12
cody-somervilletomaw, I'm appealing that.00:12
cody-somervilleMez, Yes.00:12
cody-somervilleMez, We often do.00:12
tomawcody-somerville: the ubuntu project has decided that this control is granted to the irc council, so freenode will comply with requests from the registered group contacts at the request of said council.00:12
Seeker`cody-somerville: The CC have delegated responsibility for IRC channels under their control to the IRC council, as far as I can tell00:13
cody-somervilletomaw, Ubuntu != Xubuntu00:13
Seeker`cody-somerville: So the IRC council are acting with the authority of the CC with regards to matters on IRC00:13
cody-somervilletomaw, Hence whoever approved the GC made a mistake.00:13
Mezcody-somerville, then it falls under the CC - who have ultimate control over the project, who have appointed the GCs?00:13
Picicody-somerville: (my opinion follows) The IRCC is not trying to take Xubuntu away from you, but it was their understanding that they had control over the Ubuntu namespace (including #xubuntu). Furthermore, I don't see what you gain by not allowing them access to the channel, besides gross alienation.00:14
tomawcody-somerville: tbh I know very little about ubuntu, however, my understanding was that canonical has some form of involvment with xubuntu also and that they control related channels00:14
naliothcody-somerville: as i recall, the GCF was originally approved before you were a blip on the Xubuntu radar.  Care to explain that?00:15
tomaw(this probably applies to kubuntu et al also)00:15
cody-somervilletomaw, If Debian changed their DPL (ie. the old one got voted out), are you saying that the old DPL could say "Screw off" and keep the GC designation?00:16
tomawdebian moved to oftc :)00:16
cody-somervilletomaw, I'm well aware of that00:16
cody-somervilleThis is a theoretical question00:16
Seeker`cody-somerville: The Community Council (and therefore the IRC council) have not been "voted out" of control of Xubunut00:17
cody-somervilleSeeker`, no idea what you're talking about00:18
Seeker`cody-somerville: Applying the same theoretical situation about DPL to Xubuntu00:18
Mezcody-somerville, what hes saying is that the CC are in control of xubuntu still, and that means they have the power to appoint GCs?00:18
tomawcody-somerville: xubuntu irc authority has not been voted out00:18
cody-somervilleOkay. I'll hold a vote right now.00:18
Seeker`cody-somerville: noone has ever said that you *own* the project- the CC still do00:19
Seeker`as it is still an official derivative00:19
Pici*sigh*00:19
cody-somervilleThe CC does not *own* Xubuntu.00:19
tomawcody-somerville: oh, I see.  You believe you have ownership of the x* project itself?00:19
Mezcody-somerville, you're willing to excommunicate xubuntu from ubuntu (meaning it'd have to be renamed?00:19
cody-somervilleXubuntu is not going to be excommunicated00:19
cody-somervilleThe only people not respecting the Xubuntu project is this council.00:20
cody-somervilleWhose integrity and intentions I highly doubt.00:20
Mezcody-somerville, but by "voting" to not be part of the Ubuntu community - youd be doing that00:20
cody-somervilleI'm not voting to be out of the Ubuntu community00:20
Picicody-somerville: What do you think their intentions are?00:20
Seeker`cody-somerville: Do you agree that the CC has delegated responsiblity for IRC channels under their control to the IRC council?00:20
elky_workcody-somerville: im going to have to ask you to comply with the request made by Mark to emma a few weeks ago, and please cease choosing who to respect within the community.00:21
Mezcody-somerville, if the CC chose to - they could stop xubuntu existing right? (under its current name)00:21
cody-somervilleelky_work, I'm not choosing to respect anyone selectively.00:21
cody-somervilleMez, No. Only Canonical can do it.00:22
Seeker`cody-somerville: You are choosing not to recognise the authority of the IRC Council00:22
cody-somervilleSeeker`, Thats right I don't00:22
Seeker`cody-somerville: What do you think the CC is?00:22
cody-somervilleSeeker`, It isn't Canonical00:22
* elky_work raises an eyebrow00:22
Mezcody-somerville, fair enough - so you answer to the chain of command that canonical sets forward for ubuntu yes?00:22
cody-somervilleSeeker`, IRC Council does not have authority over Xubuntu channels00:22
Seeker`cody-somerville: I didn't say what isn't it, it said what do you think it *is*00:22
cody-somervilleOmgz!00:22
cody-somervilleCanonical does not control Ubuntu!!00:23
Seeker`cody-somerville: who does control ubuntu?00:23
PiciSarcasm/whatever isnt really appropriate for this discussion.00:23
elky_workyou're too ridiculous for me to waste any more work time on.00:23
tomawcody-somerville: okay, I think I have done enough fact-finding to sound mostly authoritive, if you're willing to listen :)00:24
cody-somervilleYou people have some very incorrect assumptions00:24
nickruddoesn't it seem to anyone else that this is going nowhere? Until the question of Xubuntu's position in the Ubuntu world is cleared up, this discussion is pointless00:24
Seeker`"The Ubuntu Community Council is the primary community (i.e., non-technical) governance body for the Ubuntu project. Members are appointed by Mark Shuttleworth and approved by a vote by the entire Ubuntu membership."00:24
Mezcody-somerville, check out http://www.ubuntu.com/ - I think you'll find they do00:24
Picinickrud: Agreed.00:24
tomawcody-somerville: although if I just state one thing at once, perhaps you could confirm or correct? :)00:24
cody-somervilletomaw, Maybe it would be best to do that in a private query so it doesn't get lost in the blur of this channel?00:24
Mez_MMA_, can I help? It might be worth taking it to /msg at the moment. There is a lot of traffic in here right now00:24
tomawif you wish, although I am sure people here will shush for 5-6 lines if we ask nicely00:25
_MMA_Mez: No. Im watchng for now.00:25
_MMA_*watching00:25
naliothtomaw, you have the floor00:25
ubot3In #ubuntuforums-beginners, Flare183 said: !virus (this is kinda of a weird link)00:25
tomawcody-somerville: okay, so for sanity, you have no problem with the CC managing #ubuntu* etc as they see fit?00:26
cody-somervilletomaw, Correct.00:26
tomawcody-somerville: you also agree that xubuntu is ultimately controlled by canonical?00:27
cody-somervilleNo.00:27
tomawOkay, that at least makes the confusion here more clear to me.00:27
tomawWhy do you contest that? (I'm a gentoo or debian user, I don't know too much about ubuntu politics and structure)00:28
Mez_MMA_, please read the topic. I'll let those involved decide whether to act on it00:28
_MMA_Mez: Sure. Im sure enough people know me to let me hang around.00:28
elky_workMez: he's a /ubuntu/member/00:28
cody-somervilletomaw, I'm not aware I'm contesting that. Canonical would not say that they control Xubuntu.00:28
Mez_MMA_, please see /msg00:29
Seeker`cody-somerville: who does control xubuntu?00:29
cody-somervilleSeeker`, I thought tomaw had the floor?00:29
tomawSeeker`: please00:29
Seeker`sorry00:30
tomawcody-somerville: My understanding was that they fund x* and that it's ultimate control is with the community council?00:30
cody-somervilleCanonical does not fund Xubuntu.00:30
cody-somervilleThe CC is not in ultimate control of Xubuntu.00:30
tomawOkay, so how does it relate to the ubuntu project at all?00:30
cody-somervilletomaw, It is a derivative.00:31
Mezdealt with the edit above and issue resolved btw00:31
elky_workcody-somerville: does canonical not host, nor provide build infrastructure to xubuntu at all?00:32
cody-somervilletomaw, Xubuntu is derived from Ubuntu. We are considered an official derivative because we operate within the "Ubuntu Spirit" and collaborate strongly with the official Ubuntu project.00:32
tomawcody-somerville: completely without support from any other ubuntu/canonical product (other than probably grabbing updates from their repos etc)00:32
cody-somervilleCanonical does assist us but does not ask for any authority over the project in return.00:33
Mezmneptok, ping00:34
cody-somervilletomaw, often it is individually employees of Canonical assisting us00:35
tomawcody-somerville: Then I guess we have at least some confusion on at least one, if not all sides00:35
cody-somerville*individual00:35
cody-somervilletomaw, The website clearly labels Xubuntu as a community derivative.00:35
nickrudAgain, I don't think this discussion is going to be productive right now. I'm not a council member, but I'd suggest tabling this, suspending the deadline and do some factfinding.00:35
Mezcody-somerville,  I think elky_work meant the build infrastructure, distribution etc00:35
tomawnod, individual contributions are often very hard to contribute to either their employer or themselves etc00:35
cody-somervilleMez, I'm well aware of that.00:36
cody-somervilletomaw, It has always been recognized as the later00:36
tomawMez: however, donated resources do not directly imply the donor has massive control over the project.00:36
Mezcody-somerville, that isnt an individual - I dont think the sysadmins/soyuz coders would agree with that00:36
tomawthink sourceforge.net00:37
Seeker`canonical own the trademark on xubuntu00:37
cody-somervilleI'm sorry but are we able to note follow directions?00:37
cody-somerville*not00:37
PiciI dont think this discussion is getting anywhere00:37
Seeker`Pici++00:37
cody-somervilletomaw, I told you we should have gone to private query00:38
Meztomaw, they can revoke access to the services, stop distribution and revoke the trademark rights... surely that's control? if they can stop it existing in its current form under its current name?00:38
Mez(I'm not saying they would however)00:38
cody-somervilleMez, Incorrect.00:38
Mezcody-somerville, what is incorrect?00:39
cody-somervilleMez, They can not stop Xubuntu from existing.00:39
Picicody-somerville: I woudlnt like to see this create a rift between Ubuntu and Xubuntu, Does Xubuntu have their own CC that we could bring this issue up to, or would the general CC be a better forum?00:39
Mezcody-somerville, in its current form, under its current name is what I said.00:39
cody-somervilleMez, I disagree with that statement.00:39
Seeker`Pici: It will take 2 weeks to get to CC00:40
cody-somervilleSeeker`, and there is no need to hostilely take over the Xubuntu namespace in that time frame.00:40
Seeker`cody-somerville: I didn't say that there was. Howver, given the mount of tension at the moemet, it would be better to resolve it sooner rather than later00:41
elky_workthe irc council has _not_ revoked it's decision, and sees no reason to revoke it at this time.00:41
elky_workcody-somerville: the way you have reacted here has only solidified our reasoning for this action.00:41
Seeker`cody-somerville: Please can you confirm who you believe controls the xubuntu project?00:42
cody-somervilleelky_work, yea right00:42
cody-somervilleelky_work, So me disagreeing with you gives you justification00:42
cody-somervilleCan someone scream CORRUPTION?!00:42
cody-somervilleSeeker`, I control the Xubuntu project00:42
nixternalcody-somerville controls the Xubuntu project00:42
Seeker`cody-somerville: unilaterally?00:42
cody-somervilleThere was an e-mail sent out to ubuntu-devel-announce00:43
elky_workif disagreement caused corruption in the authority, then every police figure is corrupt since there'll always be a criminal to disagree with them.00:43
elky_workplease proceed to your local police station to inform them of this.00:43
cody-somervilleSo you're comparing me to a criminal?00:43
cody-somervilleBrilliant.00:43
Seeker`cody-somerville: No, she is refering to an analagous situation00:43
nixternalhaha00:43
elky_workno, im comparing your logic of corruption to the police system00:43
Seeker`cody-somerville: If I make a car analogy am I calling you a car? or a mechanic?00:44
nickrudcody-somerville, substitute politician there, the concept still holds.00:44
elky_workSeeker`: he's trying to find reasons to fight, that's all.00:44
cody-somervilleUmmm... no.00:44
cody-somervilleDo I *really* have to spell out how that analogy compares me to a criminal?00:45
PiciWho cares? We're not here to discuss that.00:45
cody-somervillePici, excellent reply.00:45
elky_workit was the first scenario to my head. please proceed with logic.00:45
cody-somervilleelky_work, really, can we grow up now?00:46
elky_workup to you.00:46
* cody-somerville sighs.00:46
* cody-somerville takes a deep breath to calm down.00:46
nixternalcody-somerville: what's up homeskillet?00:46
cody-somervillenixternal, The IRC Council has voted to take over the Xubuntu namespace.00:46
nixternaland why is that?00:47
elky_workbecause it's being mismanaged.00:47
nixternalhow so?00:47
elky_workirresponsible removal of key redundancy figures from access.00:47
PriceChildcody-somerville: We already 'own' the xubuntu namespace. We have voted to retake #xubuntu and #xubuntu-offtopic after they were 'stolen' from us without permission.00:47
cody-somervilleThey were not stolen.00:48
nixternalby taking the namespace, will cody-somerville still have access to add people to the channel access list and control that?00:48
elky_workyes, but we will also have the right to intervene in the absence of an op once more.00:48
PriceChildcody-somerville: i used the 's to indicate my looseness of application. Either way, you took control of them, when they were ours, without our knowledge or permission.00:48
cody-somervillePriceChild, Explain to me how they were stolen.00:49
PriceChildIt has not been suggested that all of cody's access will be removed.00:49
cody-somervillePlease explain to me how the channels were stolen?00:49
elky_workcody-somerville: define 'stolen' please.00:49
nixternalPriceChild: none of cody-somerville access should be removed, seeing as he is the MAIN driver of Xubuntu, I think he should control it honestly00:50
cody-somervilleelky_work, Thats the rationalization you people are using it00:50
elky_workcody-somerville: indeed, i want you to verbalise the definition of 'stolen'00:50
PriceChildcody-somerville: we went over this yesterday, and you ended up telling me that you were not allowed to tell us who did the dirty deed for you.00:50
naliothnixternal: as said above, that subject has never arisen00:50
cody-somervilleThere was no dirty deed.00:50
nixternalno dirty need, nor a need to snitch on someone in case it wasn't done correctly either00:50
naliothchanserv doesn't just randomly change chanowns00:50
cody-somervilleXubuntu channels have ALWAYS been under the Xubuntu project's control.00:51
elky_worknixternal: we'd like to know where the process is breaking so we can avoid future reoccurances of this dilemma.00:51
cody-somervilleelky_work, The process is breaking with the IRC Council00:51
nixternalelky_work: that's fine, but don't expect him to provide names00:51
elky_worknixternal: all i've asked is for it to be confirmed if it was a staff or not.00:52
elky_worknixternal: then we know if we can request and inquiry through freenode.00:52
elky_worknixternal: if it was freenode, it's a gross misappropriation of process.00:53
cody-somervilleSo what is the rationale for hastily taking the channel namespace over?00:55
PriceChildcody-somerville: I explained that in my proposition of a vote a few hours ago. Logs are available at irclogs.ubuntu.com00:56
elky_workwe probably wouldnt have bothered if it were not for the dangerous mismanagment of access.00:57
PriceChildI also think 'hastily' is an unfair term for the situation. We have given you ample opportunity to explain what has happenned, so we can sort things out, we are even giving you more.00:57
cody-somervilleThere was no dangerous mismanagement of access.00:57
cody-somervilleXubuntu runs smoothly.00:57
cody-somervilleIt hardly ever needs op actio00:57
bazhanglibervisco has quit (""How fortunate for leaders that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler") nice part message00:57
cody-somerville*action00:57
elky_workcody-somerville: #ubuntu was like that at one point too.00:58
elky_workthings change00:58
cody-somervilleAnd you think it'll become a problem before the next CC meeting?00:59
elky_workit could.01:00
cody-somervilleYou honestly are willing to see this blow up instead of waiting?01:00
PiciBlow up?01:00
elky_workcody-somerville: depends, are you honestly willing to blow it up instead of waiting?01:00
PriceChildcody-somerville: your newfound management of the channel has already caused problems. (Something we've also already discussed)01:00
cody-somervillePriceChild, It did not cause problems.01:00
PriceChildcody-somerville: The Community Council has delegated the responsibility of managing ubuntu's irc presence to the irc council. The council sees no reason to ask the cc for help because of this and has made a decision.01:01
cody-somervilleI trump that delegation.01:01
elky_workplease dont make me chortle coffee again.01:02
Seeker`cody-somerville: who "owned" the project before you took control?01:02
cody-somervilleIf the CC did or did not give that authority, I am now withdrawing it01:02
cody-somervilleSeeker`, They did not own it01:02
cody-somervilleJani Monoses founded Xubuntu01:02
Seeker`cody-somerville: who *did*01:02
cody-somervilleJani gave it to Lionel01:02
cody-somervilleLionel gave it to me after I was voted in by the community01:02
cody-somervilleWe went through this process publicly01:02
cody-somervilleIt was all announced to mailing lists01:03
cody-somervilleEndorsed by the appropriate folks01:03
Seeker`cody-somerville: Who are the "appropriate folks"?01:03
elky_workit rather scares me that the project is being 'given'...01:04
bazhangthere really should be a #ubuntu-politics channel for this01:04
elky_workbazhang: no, there should not.01:04
PriceChildcody-somerville: You do not have the authority to revoke our authority. Only the CC (or something higher?) could do that.01:05
bazhangthis is going nowhere clearly.01:05
PriceChildThe issue here is not who "should" manage channels, ircc or project.01:06
cody-somervilleThis is completely and utterly unacceptable.01:06
PriceChildIt is that cody-somerville has gained the control of channels, 'stolen' even, from their previous owner, the irc council, without their permission or knowledge. He has then miss-managed the channels. This is why the IRCC took a vote earlier today.01:07
nixternalelky_work: I saw something about a decision on this, I am just wondering where the decision came from? I am kind of lost trying to follow this01:07
cody-somervillePriceChild, All very incorrect.01:07
PiciMy question has nothing to do with Xubuntu, but rather with processes between Freenode and the IRCC: When asked why you would not disclose who gave you the rights to channel contact, you responded "Pricey, Because I've been instructed not to disclose that information."  This is a serious breakdown in protocol.01:07
cody-somervilleThis council is corrupt.01:07
Seeker`cody-somerville: they are not tryingf to take over control of the channel from you. They are trying to be marked as owner so that, if anything happens to you, or whoever else may be leader of the xubuntu community, there is a way of managing the channel until a replacement can be found01:07
cody-somervilleThere is no need to do that at this time01:08
nixternalPriceChild: is that IRCC vote published anywhere for everyone to read?01:08
nixternalelky_work: nevermind that, I found out :)01:08
naliothnixternal: this channel is logged01:08
PriceChildnixternal: irclogs.ubuntu.com (a couple of hours ago)01:08
nixternalroger that01:08
Seeker`nixternal: the vote on whether to take ownership of the channel?01:08
PriceChildnixternal: elky, myself and nal were present, all voted in favour01:08
Seeker`nixternal: 23:39 BST01:08
nixternalactually, I was wondering if the IRCC meetings were public, obviously they are and I just missed it01:08
nixternalgo figure01:08
Seeker`22:39 UTC01:08
nixternalhow man are on the IRCC?01:09
Picinixternal: it was a bit impromptu01:09
Seeker`nixternal: 401:09
Seeker`nixternal: nalioth, elky_work PriceChild and LjL01:09
nixternalhrmm, you need 1 more for a quorum01:09
Seeker`nixternal: nalioth, PriceChild and elky_work all voted +101:09
PriceChildnixternal: we had 3 out of 4..01:09
Seeker`nixternal: Ljl could not have overturned the decision01:09
nixternalthat I understand, but I am saying, an even amount allows for tied votes...01:10
Picinixternal: There were oringinally 5, but seveas resigned.01:10
nixternalahh ya, that's right01:10
PiciAnd that spot has not be refilled yet.01:10
Seeker`nixternal: In this case, there was not a tied vote though01:10
nixternalhonestly, that spot should be filled prior to the council making votes...that's just the way it is with every other council in the community01:10
Seeker`nixternal: and if the final member of the council was here, they would not have been able to ccause a tied vote01:10
PriceChildnixternal: yep, that is an issue and something that needs to be resolved.01:11
Seeker`nixternal: With 5 people on the council, there would have been no way of a "no" majority01:11
nixternalin this instance you are correct, I am not denying that or disputing it...was just providin' a lil fyi01:11
PiciAnd we agree :)01:11
Seeker`nixternal: fair enough01:11
naliothnixternal: we are aware  :)01:11
* nixternal goes up and reads01:11
nixternalnever read the output from one before that I can remember01:11
Piciuh, did anyone see that autorem in offtopic?01:16
Seeker`Pici: yeah...01:17
Seeker`Pici: I'm guessing there were big problems with a "jesus" in the past01:20
PiciI see the autorem, but I dont know where it got that kick reason from.01:22
Seeker`I suspect it was a reson set by whoever set the autoban01:23
elky_workSeeker`: there was a period where there were multiple trolls matching *jesus*!*@*01:38
Seeker`*nods*01:39
elky_workompaul set the autorem out of desperation as much as anything, but it's probably worth considering lifting on a trial basis. i'll leave that for paul to decide though01:40
Seeker`yeah, I can understand that01:41
Seeker`Jack_Sparrow: where in the world are you from?02:37
Jack_SparrowNot this world.... Why02:37
Seeker`you always seem to be online02:37
Jack_Sparrow:)02:37
Jack_SparrowYea.. I get that alot02:38
Seeker`how many hours of sleep do you get a night?02:38
Jack_SparrowI dont sleep much02:38
Jack_SparrowI nap here and there02:38
Seeker`:/02:38
Jack_SparrowSeriously02:38
Jack_SparrowAn hour or two here and there02:39
Seeker`ouch02:39
nickrudJack_Sparrow travers is someone you know?03:16
Jack_Sparrowyep, he has been banned by me before..03:17
nickrudfigured something like that03:17
Jack_Sparrowlook at his addy.. you will probably recognize it03:18
tritiumApparently an OpenBSD fan...03:18
nickrudno, I don't even try to remember that stuff03:18
Jack_Sparrow:03:19
tritiumI agree03:19
Jack_SparrowI already unbanned him.. but I expect the same trollish behavior again03:19
tritiumYou did?03:19
Piciso? leave the ban then.03:19
Jack_Sparrowyep03:19
nickrudI truly believe I have better things to keep in my head, that's what computers are for03:19
Picior rather, why not leave the ban then?03:20
Piciyou keep computers in your head??03:20
nickrud_P03:20
Jack_SparrowOk...  I'll put it back.. But YOu guys were working with him so I took it back off..03:20
PiciI'm only asking why?03:20
Jack_SparrowI was trying not to step on your toes..03:21
Jack_Sparrowtritium  and nickrud were right there.03:21
PiciI'm barely paying attention, so don't mind me.03:22
Jack_Sparrowk03:22
tritiumI was fine with the ban, but I'll leave it up to you, Jack_Sparrow.03:22
nickrudsince he was a known troll, you probably saved me a few points on my blood pressure03:22
Jack_Sparrownp.. well see if he comes back..03:22
Jack_Sparrowgoodnight03:22
nickrudgoodnight03:23
Jack_SparrowHes back.. lets see if he learned anything03:23
tritiumoh boy03:25
Jack_Sparrow60 second kb seems to have changed his tone...03:26
tritiumWe'll see.03:27
nickrudlol, a nice, semi sarcastic part03:30
Technovikingevening all04:30
Technovikingwhat is the best way to get the logs from todays IRC Council meeting.04:31
nickrudTechnoviking irclogs.ubuntu.com04:31
Technovikingnot up yet:), thank nickrud04:35
nickrudTechnoviking you must be kidding.04:35
Technovikingthe #ubuntu-meeting file is only 1.4k, only a few lines, not in the 03-Jun-0804:36
Technovikingthanks04:38
nickrudTechnoviking not sure, but at the end something about the meeting postponed. No one showed I guess. Those logs are automatically updated04:38
Technovikingnickrud: that is the CC, got a message about problem in an IRC council meeting today, wanted to read the logs for it04:39
nickrudTechnoviking oh, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/04/%23ubuntu-ops.html , starts pretty much at the beginning04:40
nickrudhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/03/%23ubuntu-ops.html Technoviking , 23:38 the question was put04:41
Technovikingnickrud: thanks, was looking in the #ubuntu-meeting logs :)04:42
* gnomefreak finally fixed flash 10 PPA issues :)04:44
RoAkSoAxhi all, anyone around to verify if Neo_The_User is a bot that's saying hi to all in #ubuntu04:53
nickrudthanks RoAkSoAx04:54
RoAkSoAxnp ;)04:55
ubottuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Remo-Con is a bot)05:22
ubottuIn ubottu, calcmandan said: !scrot is a simple screen capture utility using imlib2. For more information, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/scrot.05:22
ubottuIn ubottu, calcmandan said: !scrot is a simple screen capture utility using imlib2. For more information, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/scrot05:27
Myrttiörbö06:46
* elky_work blinks.07:01
Hobbseexubuntuland sorted now?08:50
Hobbseenope, seems not08:53
Hobbseeand i still don't see why it's vital to share any particular piece of information that someone asks you, about anything.08:54
Myrttidid you btw notice [04:43] *** BunnyRevolution [n=supybot@24.225.23.57] has joined #ubuntu-ops09:01
Myrtti[04:43] *** BunnyRevolution is New Now Know How09:01
Hobbseei hadn't - i don't see joins and parts and quits in the backscroll.09:01
Myrttianyone who was awake -6 hrs ago09:02
Hobbseebut how convenient, that the spies are out.  sigh.09:02
Myrttiafter having read the backlog, I sorta feel like... um. that I should reinstall my laptop with something like e17 or fluxbox09:04
Myrttimy laptop feels icky09:04
Hobbseeand not ubuntu?  :)09:04
Myrttiyup09:04
HobbseeMyrtti: it'll get fixed.  When the CC gets the information it needs to know, it shouldn't end up staying like this.09:05
Hobbseehow they might find out that information is an exercise left to the reader.09:06
Myrttiwell, I don't know all the issues at hand, I would assume that he does a great job with the project but...09:06
MyrttiI don't know09:06
Myrttithere's just something fundamentally wrong here09:07
HobbseeMyrtti: if the irc council actually had cody's trust, he'd hand it over.09:07
* Hobbsee asked him this a few days ago, in here.09:07
Myrttiit's not just about irc council for me09:07
Myrttiit's the whole status of xubuntu vs. ubuntu09:07
Myrttias I said, my laptop feels icky09:07
HobbseeMyrtti: i think the status of xubuntu vs ubuntu would *only* come up if the two parties had significant disagreements with the way the other party did things, and did not trust the other party to make good decisions.09:09
Hobbseeif one or more of the parties was changed to be sane, we wouldn't have this problem.09:11
Hobbseeand of course, one party not excessively bullying the other party would also help.09:11
Myrtti*sigh*09:11
MyrttiPriceChild: *dojojoiinnggg*09:12
* Hobbsee wonders if the irc council must be notified of every change in leadership for every loco channel, too.09:13
Hobbseeand if so, where that is documented.09:14
Myrttiactually I do think it should be notified to the irc council09:14
Hobbseeit probably should, yes.09:14
Myrttiand all the loco channels should have representation at -irc09:15
Hobbseebut without it actually being documented there (and, i may have missed seeing it), i really can't blame people if they don't do it09:15
Myrttiset up a wiki page for it09:15
Myrttiwhich channel | who leads it | contact email | contact person in -irc09:15
MyrttiIrcCouncil\LocoChannels09:18
Myrttior whatever09:18
Hobbseeand what you have to do to change it, who you have to email, and what you have to say09:18
* Hobbsee hates wikitising things.09:18
* Hobbsee is sure the irc council never got notified, beyond the one staff member who i asked to change the contact, about #kubuntu's change of alt contact09:18
Myrttiit would be quite easy to spread to locos that they should go and register themselves to the wikipage09:20
Hobbseemaybe i should change #ubuntu-motu's founder to dholbach or someone, and see if i get the same treatment.09:20
Myrttistart by announcing it at -irc09:20
Myrttithen someone in Planet Ubuntu will notice it and blog about it...09:20
Myrttiit doesn't matter that all of them wouldn't be there at first09:20
Myrttieven slow progress is progress09:21
Myrttijust add a note to the wikipage "all edits done by persons not identified to be on the access list of said channel will be reverted"09:22
MyrttiI can take that responsibility09:23
MyrttiI don't mind09:23
MyrttiI could even do the wikipage09:28
* Hobbsee ponders.09:36
Hobbseeso, what are the most recent decisions made by the irc council, prior to this xubuntu land one?09:37
Hobbseethere's the emma one, the irseek one, but what others?09:37
MyrttiI'd suggest that the next council would take the ^ loco channel issue to the list09:52
Myrttiit would be easier to handle namespace spanning trolls/flooders if all the channels had someone in -irc09:52
Myrttiwe still don't know how many channels are being harassed by that "poor $user" fellow09:53
MyrttiI know he's banned from -offtopic and -fi and -se09:53
MyrttiI banned him personally from the first two and told Nafallo how to ban him from -se09:54
Myrttialso the users coming to ask for banremoval at an #ubuntu-$loco could be handled there09:56
Myrttior at least directed there and told contact $person09:56
Myrttithus handling the language barrier09:57
Myrtti</rant>09:58
bazhangneo_the_user; that name looks familiar09:58
Myrttiwhatwhere09:59
bazhangseveral hours ago he was greeting everyone who entered09:59
bazhangsome thought he was a bot10:00
Myrtti/me considers changing her timestamps to utc10:00
bazhangjust a chronic ban evader though10:00
Myrttithere we go10:05
Myrttinow living in UTC time on irssi10:05
john__i was banned for saying the F word10:35
john__i'm sorry but it was in a harmless way and slipped out. i didnt get a warning etiher10:35
john__no !language either10:35
Myrtti@btlogin10:35
john__can i please get unbanned? it wont happen again.. since i honestly need help on ubuntu and this is the best option for me10:36
Myrttiwhich channel and when10:36
john__#ubuntu10:36
MyrttiI can't track you down10:36
john__earlier today10:36
john__my username was subway10:36
Myrttihow many hours ago?10:36
bazhangusernam subway10:36
john__the guy who banned me was Jack_Sparrow10:36
bazhanghe directed you to the ppc channel10:37
Myrttiok10:37
john__and I said i still needed help and he said that my system isnt supported there when i have three windows PCs with ubuntu10:37
Myrttiso you were given a faq, (harmless advice, we give that to everyone) and an advice to join #ubuntu-ppc10:38
bazhangat which point you let fly with the expletive10:38
john__one10:38
Myrttibazhang: hold on10:38
Myrttifirst of al.10:38
Myrttiall, even10:38
john__no warning either10:38
john__slippd out and oops ban10:38
MyrttiI see your point, but unfortunately in normal cases I couldn't lift the ban as we have a policy of letting the banning op to decide the lenght of the ban10:39
john__this is family-friendly but i dont think a ban is appropiate for one slipup.10:39
Myrttihold on, you too ;-)10:39
john__oh10:39
Myrttidamn, phone, brb10:40
Myrttimissed her10:40
MyrttiI'll call her back when I'm done10:40
Myrttianyway10:40
Myrtti*sigh*10:40
Myrttijohn__: have you since the ban, joined to #ubuntu-ppc and asked help for your ppc problem there?10:41
john__Myrtti, well.. it was filled with nothing for idles and10:41
john__for a good thirty minutes nobody responded but one person which i helped10:41
john__and ended up having a conversation together before he left.. then i waited a while and asked for help again10:41
Myrttiyou must understand that Ubuntu is a global project and we all live in different timezones10:42
MyrttiI just set my IRC client to UTC so talking about times and such would be easier10:42
elkyafaik jack went for sleep quite some time ago. he should reappear soon enough10:42
Myrtti2008-06-04 09:42:4310:42
Myrttioh.10:42
Myrttithat's utc10:42
Myrttimy clock is 12:4210:43
Myrtti/me fixes her alias10:43
Myrttianyway10:43
Myrttithank you for helping at the -ppc10:44
john__uh10:44
Myrttisince ppc's aren't produced anymore, all the help is needed there10:44
john__yeah10:44
john__and the forum is slow moving too10:44
john__for ppc10:44
elkydepends what type of ppc you mean ;)10:44
Myrttielky: true ;-)10:44
john__g310:44
john__what10:44
elkyjohn__, do you have a game console?10:45
john__a bunch10:45
john__ranging from the NES to the 36010:45
john__why10:45
elkyhow many do you know the processor type for? :)10:45
john__0! :D10:45
elkyhehe10:45
john__actually the NES's is what I know10:46
john__Ricoh10:46
elkyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#History <-- 4th last paragraph10:47
ikoniaPPC is a sad loss10:48
* elky nods to ikonia10:48
ikoniabut also greatfully removed10:48
ikoniagratfully even10:48
Myrttianyways10:49
Myrttielky: did you check the logs?10:49
elkyMyrtti, not yet. eating dinner10:49
elkyi am still my own priority ;)10:49
Myrtti:->10:50
elkypork and fetta meatballs... :)10:50
MyrttiI'm having bbq with my ex today :->10:50
Myrttianyway10:50
elkyhow fun10:50
john__the only one who can decide to unban me is the guy named after a disgusting movie (Jack_Sparrow)?10:50
Myrttijohn__: please be civil10:51
john__well10:51
john__he sure wants10:51
john__wasnt10:51
Myrtti/me counts the "anyway"'s said by her10:51
elkyi quite like those movies! :(10:51
MyrttiANYWAY10:51
john__from what it looked like.. it looked like the guy thought i was having a swear-storm and being rude10:52
john__any way you can check the log in the PM with him?10:52
Myrttihere's what I see from the log10:52
Myrtti1) you come into the channel at 2008-06-04T04:39:2010:52
Myrtti2) you ask about ppc, and are correctly given an advice to join -ppc at 2008-06-04T04:41:1210:53
Myrtti3) you then repeat your question at 2008-06-04T04:43:11, and you are again adviced to join -ppc10:54
john__huh10:54
john__i didnt get the message the first time then10:54
john__it's alot easier when the message is directed at me,.. in red text and all10:54
Myrtti4) then you comment the question "have you read the faq" with a curseword, and are removed.10:55
Myrttinow10:55
MyrttiI do understand your frustration10:55
Myrttiand I understand that you might not have the patience to wait for the answers10:56
Myrttinote, *might*10:56
MyrttiI'm also quite sure, that when Jack_Sparrow comes back, he'll remove your ban.10:56
Myrtti*but*10:56
john__*10:57
john__;)10:57
john__okay well10:57
Myrttias I said... in normal cases I couldn't lift  the ban10:57
john__i had the patience but i've been googling and ran into the faq several times10:57
Myrttiin normal cases10:57
john__;_;10:57
john__i've been googling all day10:58
Myrttiand here with the normal cases, I mean the rude, non-diplomatic, uncivil numbskulls, who come to hear rant and yell10:58
Myrttimaking threats and usually end up having a longer ban that they started with10:58
Myrtti/me prods elky, have you eaten yet ;-)10:59
john__to me my case sounds minor :(11:00
Myrttihold on11:00
john__come on11:00
Myrttiyou've had a lot of patience, don't lose it now11:00
john__okay11:00
elkyi'd say jack just forgot to clear it before he left. he's usually pretty good. however, please realise you're having me do a *very* rude thing here by lifting this without asking -- im taking your word for it that you didnt do anything else like yell at him over PM, which would validate the length in a heartbeat..11:03
john__I didn't yell at him. :P11:04
Myrttielky: I'm willing to take the risk11:04
john__I tried to reason with it11:04
elkyand how can i know this? he's not here.11:04
john__him11:04
MyrttiI was just wanting to clear it with you11:04
Myrttiif you'd think it was ok11:04
john__Well11:04
elkyyou didnt make any threats or anything, did you?11:04
john__No11:04
ikoniajohn__: are you the same john__ who was asking about flash ?11:04
john__ikonia: uhhhh i was asking for flash on my imac g3 earlier,.. i might've been11:05
bazhangon 5.1011:05
john__oh yeah11:05
ikoniayes, that was the conversation11:05
john__i have xubuntu dapper right now and i'll upgrade to 6.10 soon since i have an option11:05
ikoniais that the conversation you are dicussing here ?11:05
john__uhm11:06
john__not sure11:06
bazhangnay a subsequent one ikonia11:06
john__i'm getting help with flash in the forums right now though11:06
Myrttielky: hold on, I reverted that11:06
ikoniaok, so the language in the flash discussion was pretty bad and uncalled for too11:06
Myrttiso, what was the deal with the flash discussion?11:06
john__which one11:06
john__i dont really  know it11:06
Myrttithanks ikonia11:06
john__\can you like paste the log or something11:06
bazhangbeing repeatedly asked to upgrade to dapper11:06
john__it might've not been me11:07
ikonialooks like you ignored advice then started swearing11:07
john__ohh11:07
john__what swears11:07
john__that was two days ago wasnt it? (for me it is,.. time zones)11:07
john__so i dont remember11:07
ikoniaok, so you've been in multiple days and caused issues ?11:08
john__i was told to upgrade to dapper which i was just trying to get help and see if it worked on here, but now i'm on dapper11:08
john__no11:08
ikoniajohn__: your language was quite colourful11:08
elkyjohn__, have you actually read the information in the /topic of #ubuntu?11:08
john__thank you11:08
bazhangyes twice in two days11:08
john__what11:08
elky!ettiquette11:08
ubottuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...11:08
Myrtti/me steps back, too many cooks, the water is getting muddled11:08
john__can you paste the log?11:09
ikoniaMyrtti: I think there is more history than the conversation you are currently discussing11:09
ikoniaMyrtti: hence why I mention it11:09
john__paste the log11:09
Myrttiikonia: and that's why I thanked you11:10
john__i want to see what is being discussed rather than be unsure whether or not it is me11:10
john__pastebin11:10
ikoniajohn__: I've just check the IP's - it was you11:10
elkyikonia, time and date please?11:10
ikoniauna-momento11:10
ikonia10:56 BST yesterday11:11
* john__ sighs11:11
john__use pastebin11:11
john__an11:11
john__d11:11
john__oops11:11
john__ sorr11:11
john__y11:11
john__key11:11
john__baord11:11
john__brb11:11
john__okay sorry about that, keyboard acting up11:11
bazhangclearly the same individual11:12
john__okay can i SEE the logs?11:12
elkyjohn__, sure. irclogs.ubuntu.com11:13
elkyikonia, is bst=utc atm or no?11:13
stdinelky: bst is utc+111:13
john__can i have a direct link11:14
john__i'm looking11:14
elkyjohn__, i've only just found it myself11:14
john__oh11:14
john__can i have the link? hard to find me :(11:15
ikoniaelky: 11:39 UTC11:15
ikoniaelky: log time11:15
john__found it11:15
ikonia2008/06/0311:15
ikoniathe whole conversation starts at 5:30 - and drags on due to not listening until 11:3911:15
ikoniaI saw part of it last night before popping out hence why I remember it11:16
bazhangI was the one recommending upgrading to dapper from 5.1011:16
john__i remember you11:16
john__yeah11:16
john__you're why i got dapper11:17
john__....lol11:17
john__i hope you're not taling about what i said to the guy flooding11:17
john__are you?11:18
elkyhuh?11:18
john__and Myritti warned me too11:18
john__which i stopped then11:19
john__[07:12] <john_> SHUT THE FUCK UP, EWTJKLAS11:19
john__there11:19
Myrttioy.11:19
john__someone named ewtjklas was flooding11:19
elkyjohn__, im also seeing you being extremely impatient. there's a 3 minute log where you ask the same question thrice11:19
john__cool11:20
john__well i'm not impatient11:20
ikoniajohn__: and you use that sort of language again later on, despite being warned11:20
john__paste11:20
MyrttiI'm seeing improvment11:20
Myrttithough11:20
Myrttibut...11:20
elkyyou then proceeded to be obnoxious for the next half hour11:20
john__..11:20
MyrttiI'm not touching this11:20
john__too late11:20
john__oops11:20
john__k11:21
john__f11:21
john__e11:21
bazhangJack should be in soon11:21
john__board b rb11:21
john__sorry my keyboard acts up11:21
john__enter key sticks11:21
john__i'm reading the log11:21
Myrttimmmm, cookies11:21
john__[11:40] <john__> OKAY I'll get myself some god damn DAPPER, let me just get my last burned cd i was going to use for a ps1 game on my modded ps2. thanks. bye11:22
john__[11:40] <thefish> john__, not a bad idea...11:22
elkyso am i... and im not impressed. you're acting like an 8yrold who's just learned the naughty words in these logs11:22
john__just so you know i bought some cds today11:22
john__and you're acting like you're talking to a child11:23
bazhangand something about punching a midget11:23
john__sure did11:23
john__why11:23
john__did i say the N word there?11:23
john__nah11:24
elkyjohn__, well, as far as im concerned after reading these logs, you are a child.11:24
john__no11:24
john__i was in a pissy mood that day but that was it11:25
bazhangno need to type it11:25
elkyplease keep pissy moods out of ubuntu channels11:25
john__type what11:26
bazhangunpleasant language11:27
john__here?11:27
john__oh11:27
john__yeah11:27
elkybazhang means you shouldnt act out your bad mood on other people in the ubuntu channels11:27
john__i get what you mean11:27
john__i dont act them on other people11:27
bazhangwe all get frustrated11:27
john__that's news to me11:28
* john__ sighs11:28
elkyjohn__, you *did* act the mood out though.11:28
john__apparently11:28
john__today i was in a better mood11:28
john__i said one word: "fucking"11:28
john__in a harmless sentence11:28
john__that was all11:28
elkyyou said that word more than once11:29
john__TODAY?11:29
elkyyou also need to stop talking in caps.11:29
Davieyjohn__: can you not see how "fucking" is unsuitable for a family friendly channel?11:29
john__YEAH I KNOW THAT11:29
john__OOPS11:29
john__STICKY11:29
elkyyou've got a very convenient stickyness11:29
john__yeah11:29
Daviey"in a harmless sentence" isn't seeing it..11:29
john__just a messed up keyboard11:29
popeyi suggest you look at the screen before pressing enter11:30
elkystop hitting it so hard when you're typing, it'll help11:30
john__i dont hit it hard11:30
john__well11:30
john__actually i have to11:30
john__all the keys are pretty hard11:30
john__it feels like the keys are rubbing against eachother when they're just pretty close11:31
john__test11:32
john__well i wont be in the ircs here anyways much11:33
john__i'm guessing you'll raise the ban?11:33
john__for how long11:33
bazhangup to Jack really11:34
john__i did say the 'n' word here just so you know11:35
john__in a conversation11:35
john__not in a racial way (which you might think that if the most you've been on the internet is IRCs)11:36
john__since you might find it anyways just wanted to point it out11:36
john__Good bye you ircfags, I'm getting a PC and i'll play some fucking BATTLETOADS YEAH11:37
popeyo_O11:38
bazhangtalk about prescience11:39
bazhang rude, non-diplomatic, uncivil numbskulls11:39
elkyMyrtti, thanks for revoking that ban lift.11:40
john__i'm sorry about what i've done, i love you11:40
john__please11:40
john__just keep me unbanned til friday11:41
john__i have angerment issues and11:41
john__ohh11:41
elkysorry, you've ruined it.11:41
john__its happening11:41
john__niggers11:41
john__niggers11:41
john__niggersni11:41
john__ahh11:41
john__fuuuck11:41
john__help me11:41
john__helllppp11:41
john__meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee11:41
elkydamn lag11:41
Myrttielky: no prob11:43
Seeker`anyoen around that can deal with cloaks?11:43
MyrttiI had a feeling it would end up somewhere there immediately ikonia piped up11:43
elkyyeah11:43
ikoniaI just remembered him from last night11:43
bazhangmember cloaks? :)11:43
ikoniahe was just "a pain" when I was there, not offensive11:43
elkypain is an understatment judging from these logs11:44
bazhangmy mistake not to ban earlier11:44
elkyif he keeps doing that, upgrade that mute to a ban11:44
Seeker`bazhang: yes11:46
bazhangcongrats Seeker` :)11:47
Seeker`bazhang: not for me11:47
bazhangoops sorry11:47
Seeker`hopefully someday though :P11:47
bazhangshould be :)11:47
Myrtti#ubuntu-irc11:47
Seeker`glade88 joined here yesterdaey and was told to go to #ubuntu-irc11:47
ikoniahe's keen as mustard11:48
Myrttiwell, it's the correct place11:48
Seeker`who can actually do the cloaks?11:48
MyrttiI don't have a cloak yet either11:48
Myrttiit's all up to being added to the correct launchpad group first11:48
elkyMyrtti, you're a member finally?11:48
Myrttiafter that it the cloaking can be done11:49
Myrttiyup11:49
Seeker`but who actually applies the cloaks?11:49
Myrttisince tuesday night11:49
bazhangas is Pi-ci :)11:49
* elky hugs and cheers Myrtti11:49
elkySeeker`, staff.11:49
MyrttiI harass pri.cey11:49
elkybazhang, yes, i cheered pi-ci on the wya out the door yesterday(?)11:49
Myrttielky: and it was my turn right after him :->11:50
bazhangso sorry I missed the meeting Myrtti11:50
bazhanggot my times confoozled11:50
Myrttino prob :-)11:50
elkyMyrtti, i was literally out the door 5 seconds afer i cheered him11:50
MyrttiI guessed, elky :->11:50
bazhangelky, hard to keep track of times these days :)11:50
bazhangDVSof922 (n=DVSoftwa@delta529.server4you.de) has joined #ubuntu bot?11:51
bazhangthere are two other with very similar name/numbers11:51
Myrttinot necessarily11:51
bazhangDVSof766 (n=DVSoftwa@delta529.server4you.de) has joined #ubuntu also and one more11:52
elkybazhang, well yes, and apparantly it's also hard for the tellers at my local train station to know which station they're at. i got sold a weekly ticket that had neither my origin or destination wrong, and because i was running to catch the train didnt find out until i couldnt get through the gates at the other end11:52
bazhangelky, oh my goodness that sounds awful11:53
elkythat kinda killed my day11:53
Myrttioookiiiess11:53
Myrttijohn__ is trying to dcc s.end me stuff11:53
Myrttiwas, actually11:53
elkybazhang, if you ever come to sydney, dont depend on trains in peak hour.11:53
Myrttito the wrong port too11:53
bazhangelky, thanks for the tip; not that far away (Taiwan)11:54
elkythe one after the one i got sardined into was cancelled totally11:54
elkyheh. the sardining was worse this morning11:55
bazhangwow sounds like tokyo11:55
elkysomeone literally blurted 'this is as bad as the tokyo system'11:55
bazhanghaha11:55
Myrttinow he's pm'ing me11:56
elkyi had to respond 'no, they have decent coverage'11:56
Myrtti*sigh*11:56
ikoniahe's join #xubuntu now11:56
ikoniajust parted11:56
Myrttinoticed11:56
Myrttileft after you joined11:56
ikoniaoooh you where there11:56
ikoniasorry, didn't see you11:56
elkybazhang, go to cityrail.info and see our system. i go from west ryde to st leonards each day.11:57
Myrtticody gave me ops there the other day11:57
ikoniahandy11:57
ikoniaahh now I'm getting pm's from him. Just putting him on ignore11:57
MyrttiI volunteered since I'm there already11:57
ikoniaMyrtti: incoming pm's from him11:58
ikoniaabused me then said I'll do Myrtti next11:58
Myrttiikonia: [10:56] <+Myrtti> now he's pm'ing me11:58
ikoniaabuse is harsh word actually rambled rubbish at me is more realistic11:58
ikoniaoh, I missed that11:59
elkyheh11:59
Myrtti[10:50] [freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (011:59
Myrttithat's from him too11:59
ikoniayeah I saw the dcc11:59
bazhangwow elky that is a seriously long trek; like 18 stations or something11:59
elkybazhang, yeah, going northways is longer i think12:00
elkyi dunno, it's just 'easier' to go through central since i can get on and of at any point along the way12:00
elkynay, more convenient is probably the phrase im looking for12:01
bazhangheh12:01
elkysee, a weekly ticket is $36 for 7 days unlimited between the two stations. at $9.80 or so a trip if bought individually. i sometimes go central-ish on a weekend too12:02
elkytheoretically, i could go either north or south12:02
bazhangthat's quite cheap compared to here12:03
Seeker`How much are $ in £?12:03
ikonia1.712:03
elkySeeker`, xe.com :Þ12:03
Seeker`its AUS $?12:04
elkyyep12:04
ikonia312:04
Seeker`$2 = £112:05
elkyit's definately a crapload cheaper than fuel on top of parking costs12:05
Seeker`elky: how much do you pay for fuel?12:06
elkyand it forces me to walk a few extra blocks. whoopdido12:06
elkySeeker`, it bounces between au$1.47 and au$1.55 where i live12:06
elkydepending on the day of the week12:06
Seeker`we are currently paying £1.20 ish12:07
elkyyesterday was cheap tuesday, it'll be firstborn by friday12:07
DavieySeeker`: JFGI :) - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=10+AUD+to+GBP&btnG=Search&meta=12:07
elkySeeker`, a litre or a gallon?12:07
elkywe're /L12:07
Seeker`litre12:08
MyrttiWe're paying 1,59€12:08
Myrttior was it more12:08
DavieyMyrtti: ours is about the same :(12:09
Seeker`I think that 57p/L comes from tax though12:09
MyrttiDaviey: per liter?12:09
DavieyMyrtti: yeah12:09
MyrttiI wouldn't mind it being higher. Bicycles ftw12:10
DavieyMyrtti: seen it up to 1.65€ per/L12:10
elkywhat are the yanks paying now?12:10
Seeker`$0.02?12:11
bazhang$4?12:11
Seeker`bazhang: thats per gallon12:12
elkyjust for kicks and giggles12:12
bazhangSeeker`, aye; not sure of the conversion there12:12
Seeker`bazhang: $3.79 a US gallon isn't unreasonable, which is equal to $1/litre12:13
Seeker`which is about £0.50/litre12:13
bazhangcheers Seeker`12:13
Seeker`(1 US Gallon = 3.79 litres, roughly)12:13
bazhangaha12:14
Seeker`but then again, american cars tend to have 10 litre engines12:14
Myrttiidiotic12:14
elkythis really isnt the right place to be having this discussion anyway12:15
Myrtti:-D12:17
Myrttitrue12:17
* elky eats more cake12:17
Myrttimm cookies12:18
gnomefreak10 litre == 17/18 gallon?12:20
Seeker`gnomefreak: 2.6 gallons12:21
Seeker`US gallons that is12:21
gnomefreakthanks12:22
elkygoogle calculator ftw12:23
=== elky is now known as elkbuntu
* elkbuntu grins at pici12:34
Pici:)12:34
Myrtti[12:17] [freenode] ihateu [n=hate@gigas.cs.uoi.gr] requested CTCP VERSION from  <Myrtti>:13:51
Myrttioh, I my slip was showing13:52
Myrttiwhy did no one say about it13:52
elkbuntuyour what?14:03
Myrttihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_(clothing)14:04
Myrttiie. @-sign14:04
Myrttigreets from jussi01, he sent me an SMS, he's in Amsterdam in a confrence14:04
elkbunturight, and we were supposed to tell you how?14:05
elkbuntu14:05
elkbuntuget jussi01 to hunt down seveas :D14:05
Myrttielkbuntu: ie. @-sign ;-)14:06
ikoniaMyrtti: I got the ctp too14:06
Myrttinow where was I14:06
ikonia12:38 ihateu [n=hate@gigas.cs.uoi.gr] requested CTCP VERSION from ikonia:14:06
Myrttiweird14:06
ikoniabit after you though14:06
ikoniaMyrtti: did he respond to your question ?14:07
Myrttino14:08
Myrttihe's said nothing since joining at [11:53] *** ihateu (ihateU) [n=hate@gigas.cs.uoi.gr] has joined #ubuntu14:08
ikonianothing in ##linux either14:09
elkbuntuninite14:10
Seeker`nn14:10
Myrttinn14:10
ikonianight14:11
Daviey DCC CHAT from ciprian_topala [79.112.68.150 port 60145]14:19
Seeker`Daviey: you're popular!14:20
Myrttihe quit already though14:20
ubottuDaviey called the ops in #ubuntu (Dinamic)14:57
ubottuIn #ubuntu, soundray said: ubottu, no, awn =~ s/,//g15:32
Myrtti!awn15:32
ubottuAvant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that  positions itself at the bottom  of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and  in Universe  in Hardy15:32
Myrtti@login15:32
ubottuMyrtti: The operation succeeded.15:32
Myrttiawn =~ s/,//g15:33
jrib !awn =~ s/,//g15:33
ubottuMissing end delimiter15:33
Myrtti!awn ~= s/,//g15:33
jrib!awn =~ s/,//15:33
ubottuI'll remember that jrib15:33
jrib!awn15:33
ubottuAvant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that  positions itself at the bottom  of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and  in Universe  in Hardy15:33
jrib!awn =~ s/  / /15:33
Myrtti!awn ~= /  / /15:33
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti15:33
jrib:)15:34
Myrttidamn, I'm lagging15:34
jrib!awn15:34
ubottuAvant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and  in Universe  in Hardy15:34
Myrtti!awn15:34
Myrttihaha15:34
Myrtti!awn ~= /  / /15:34
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti15:34
Myrtti!awn ~= /  / /15:34
Myrtti!awn15:34
ubottuAvant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and in Universe  in Hardy15:34
Myrtti!awn ~= /  / /15:35
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti15:35
Myrtti!awn15:35
ubottuAvant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and in Universe in Hardy15:35
* jrib high-fives Myrtti15:35
Myrtti!awn ~= /linux/Linux/15:35
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti15:35
Myrtti_o/\o_15:36
MyrttiI'd still move things around in it15:36
Myrttithe homepage part seems to be in the wrong place.15:37
Myrttior it feels like it15:37
naliothi have placed ubot3 in #ubuntu-ni  Myrtti Seeker` PriceChild elkbuntu elky_work17:02
Seeker`ok17:03
Myrttiok17:04
Myrttiquestion17:54
Myrttisince I know nothing, take this as such17:55
Myrttihow different is eeexubuntu from xubuntu, and do we support eeexubuntu?17:55
Jack_SparrowGood question..17:56
Jack_SparrowHe didnt seem to be listening to our advice anyhow..17:57
naliothMyrtti: we do not support eeexubuntu officially17:57
Myrttiif someone would ask how to get mp3's to work in eeexubuntu, would medibuntu work?17:58
naliothMyrtti: i suspect all of the factoids will fit17:58
Myrttibasically it's just a special kernel?17:59
Jack_SparrowHe insisted he added medi.. but his sources list didnt reflect that17:59
Seeker`I dont see that suggesting something like medibuntu would harm their system17:59
naliothlinux is linux18:00
Jack_SparrowWithe the channel being that slow, I dont see any harm in trying to help, as long as we give them a disclaimer18:00
Pici!opsnack | Jack_Sparrow18:44
ubottuJack_Sparrow: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!18:44
Jack_Sparrow:) HI pici18:44
PiciJack_Sparrow: Its crazy in there18:45
Jack_SparrowCan we make it Pecans.. I am alergic to Peanuts18:45
PiciSure18:45
Myrtti@login18:45
ubottuMyrtti: The operation succeeded.18:45
Jack_SparrowIt isnt that bad.. we have seen way worse18:45
Myrtti!opsnack =~ /Peanuts/Raisins/18:46
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti18:46
Jack_SparrowGasping for breath.. help18:46
MyrttiHTH HAND18:46
Myrttiyou're allergic to raisins too?18:46
Jack_SparrowNope.18:48
Myrtti!opsnack | Jack_Sparrow18:48
ubottuJack_Sparrow: Chocolate!  And Raisins!18:48
Jack_Sparrowbbl.. I need to take core of a few things18:48
Jack_Sparrowchoc and almond butter18:48
Jack_Sparrowcare18:48
Picimarizpan18:48
=== ubot3` is now known as ubot3
naliothjpds: did you miss what i said in here?19:50
Seeker`anyone else had problems with the latest kernel update20:00
Seeker`I've heard that a few people may have had problems20:01
Jack_SparrowI have heard of many .. mostly ati people.20:03
Jack_SparrowI have updates locked down.. so I am fine here20:04
PriceChildi've rebooted fine, using intel stuff20:04
Jack_Sparrowp7zip20:05
Jack_Sparrowoops20:05
Seeker`any reports from Nvidia-new people?20:08
Jack_SparrowNot that I have seen20:08
* Seeker` wonders if he should risk it20:09
PriceChildSeeker`: there is bulletproof x now no?20:09
Seeker`PriceChild: it can be a pita to fix stuff :P20:09
Myrttithe latest kernel?20:13
Myrttiwhich is...20:13
Myrtti?20:13
MyrttiI've got 2.6.24-18-generic20:14
PriceChildMyrtti: there is more to the versioning than that afaik20:14
Myrttiwell I'm a blonde20:14
Myrttiplease explain it to me as to such.20:14
Myrtti>___<20:14
Seeker`Myrtti: that is the version that is sitting waiting to be downloaded in my update manager20:15
PriceChildI think that is the up to date one though..20:15
PriceChild2.6.24.18.20 is from security20:15
PriceChildi think i'm wrong about the versioning, once stable they bump that number too.. i don't know what i'm talking about :)20:15
Jack_SparrowMyrtti What was the command to install medibuntu with the gpg key etc20:16
Myrtti!medibuntu20:16
ubottumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org20:16
Myrttihttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f20:16
Seeker`nalioth: any new son the logs webserver?20:21
naliothSeeker`: i've asked dreamhost about why my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys isn't working and now i don't have _any_ access20:26
Seeker`wow, that sucks20:26
naliothSeeker`: how much traffic to the log viewers run up?20:26
Seeker`nalioth: I have no idea20:26
naliothSeeker`: the reason i ask is that i have a personal web server, but don't want to have my b/w shut off because someone is wgetting all the logs or w/e20:27
Seeker`that is understandable20:28
Seeker`I'd say it can probably wait until you get dreamhost sorted out20:28
Seeker`have they replied to you at all?20:29
nalioththey did, originally20:32
* nalioth is still trying to get them to fix his shell access20:33
anonymouspimpHi guys.20:36
anonymouspimpI have a comment/complaing20:36
anonymouspimpbasically, the "offtopic" warning (or so I have been told) isn't really a warning20:37
anonymouspimpand is thus very unclear20:37
anonymouspimpI believe that a warning should be very clear.20:37
anonymouspimpThat is all20:37
MezIts information, not a warning .20:38
ompaulMez, he gone20:38
MezI know. I was just saying20:38
* Mez whistles and hides20:38
ompaulMez, iirc it used to be more verbose20:38
ompauland actually say more than that and we thinned it down20:39
PriceChild!offtopic20:40
ubottu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!20:40
jpdsnalioth: hmm? Sorry I've been off the net for two days; haven't had time to read backlog - just hilights20:41
jpdsnalioth: oh, now I see, terribly sorry...20:41
ompaulafk!offtopic20:45
ubottu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!20:45
ompaulafkarrr20:45
ompaulafkfail20:45
* jpds hugs ompaulafk 20:46
ompaulafkjpds, once upon a time20:47
ompaulafkI had several nicks and one nice staffer trimmed the collection they were all ompaul based20:47
ompaulafkand this is what I got left with20:47
Seeker`ompaulafk: and ompal?20:47
Seeker`dashkal: how can we help you?20:48
ompaulafkSeeker`, yeap I guess I should quit start again and get ompaul_ and drop the afk20:48
ompaulafkor somesuch20:48
dashkalCan you test me for the DCC exploit?  I think I got it20:48
Seeker`ompaulafk: quite possibly20:48
=== ompaulafk is now known as ompaul
PriceChilddashkal: you aren't a known victim of the exploit?20:49
Seeker`dashkal: what makes you think you are vulnerable?20:49
PriceChildompaul: what happenned?20:49
dashkalI was hit with it in #wowace20:50
dashkalGot told by a staffer to get it fixed20:50
ompauldashkal, go to #ubuntu-read topic20:50
dashkalin there20:50
PriceChilddashkal: you're fine.20:50
dashkalit directed me here20:50
dashkaldanke20:50
PriceChildompaul: bots don't test unless you're on their list20:50
dashkalfair enough, and I was hit in #wowace, not #ubuntu so I wouldn't have made the list20:51
ompaulPriceChild, you can add people (at least I can ;-)20:51
ompaul)20:51
PriceChildi guess :)20:51
Seeker`dashkal: is there anything else we can help you with?20:51
dashkalNope, that about does it, thank you for your help.20:51
ompaulPriceChild, pre history and I need to fix it I started off with a primary nick of afk20:51
ompaulPriceChild, it gets a little annoying20:52
PriceChildI've completely lost you I think..20:52
ompaulPriceChild, prepare for a pm from another me ;-)20:55
ompaulPriceChild, grab that pm please20:56
=== ompaul is now known as ompaul_
=== ompaul_ is now known as ompaul
ompaulseeker done21:01
ompaulwhoot rid of that bad nick21:01
=== Pici` is now known as Pici
Seeker`ompaul: :D21:13
ikoniaevening21:26
Seeker`lo21:26
ompaulhi21:27
* ompaul chases ikonia around with a kernel module21:28
ompaul:)21:28
Myrttihumdidumdi21:33
ompaulsatonawall21:34
MyrttiI feel Jittery!21:34
Seeker`Myrtti: why?21:35
MyrttiI realized that I might have a chance in social life!21:41
Myrttiwoo21:41
PriceChildWhat is his name? 8-)21:42
Seeker`Myrtti: Is he a geek student?21:43
Myrtti...21:43
Myrttiwho?21:43
Seeker`your chance in a social life21:43
Myrttino, I just applied for a Visa card yesterday21:43
Myrttibecause I realized that if something should happen to my bike, I'd need to buy a new one21:44
Seeker`:O21:44
Myrttiand then I just realized that having a Visa might actually enable traveling to different places21:44
Myrttilike, Lugradio Live?21:44
Myrtti:-<21:44
Seeker`:O21:44
Myrttis/</>/21:44
Seeker`just dont get yourself into too much debt21:44
* Seeker` may be going to LRL21:45
Myrttino, I'm calculating very very carefully21:45
Seeker`but I have to wait until the beginning of July so I know if I'm going to be free21:45
Myrttifirst I'm trying the method called "whine about it to your boss"21:45
Myrtti:->21:45
Myrttiand you know what's best in LRL?21:46
Seeker`what?21:46
Myrttiit's *FULL* of Linux geeks.21:46
Myrtti/me drools21:46
Seeker`haha21:46
Myrttiif everything else fails, I could just stare at Jono :-P21:47
Seeker`heh21:47
Myrttidrool from a good distance away21:47
Seeker`well, I'm pretty sure PriceChild will be there :P21:47
PriceChildHopefully21:48
Myrttinoticed so in Facebook21:48
MyrttiMez also21:48
PriceChildin a shiny yellow tshirt21:48
MyrttiI wish my backups would move from disc to another a bit faster21:48
PriceChildMyrtti: looks like launchpad is being poked21:49
Myrttioo21:49
Myrttiexiting!21:50
PriceChildMyrtti: so, anything I can do for you?21:51
Myrttipoke glade88, he's impatient as hell21:55
Myrttimsg'd me earlier today :-P21:55
PriceChildHe's already been done.21:55
Myrttijoy21:56
Myrttime, I'm in no hurry21:57
ompaulearly start tomorrow cheers21:57
MezPriceChild, I thought you were crew this year?21:59
Mezand Ill definately be there Myrtti21:59
ikoniadrat, just missed ompaul21:59
Myrttioh heck, my cpu is running at 80C21:59
PriceChildMez: I am aren't I..?21:59
Seeker`Myrtti: what sort of CPU?22:00
PriceChildMez: I've been sent the emails and things.22:00
Myrtti/me kills npviewer.bin22:00
Myrtti/me moves her thigh from blocking the cpu fan intake22:01
MezPriceChild, ah, read the wrong nick - thought you said you might be there - twas Seeker`22:01
MyrttiSeeker`: ummm22:01
MezPriceChild, we'll have matching shirts ;) :P22:01
ikoniaSeeker`: I should be going with shevek22:02
Myrtti Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+22:02
Seeker`ikonia: ?22:02
ikoniaLRL22:02
PriceChildMez: id better go home and change22:02
Seeker`ikonia: cool22:03
Myrttiback to healthy 56C22:03
Seeker`ikonia: I wont be in this part of the country then22:03
ikoniawhat a drag22:03
MezPriceChild, hehe - I wanna see the design of the crew shirts so I can make a fake one ;) (with amusing modifications)22:03
PriceChildlast year's were really nice22:04
Mezhehe - apparently22:04
MezI still like my PHP Conference one best22:04
* Pici prods PriceChild 22:06
Seeker`I would volunteer to help, but I cant be 100% sure I'll be going22:07
Picipfft, php.22:07
MezPici, nothing wrong with PHP22:08
Mezit earns me moneys22:08
PriceChildPici: hmm?22:08
Myrtti♥ PHP It's the only language so far that I've liked the documentation enough to actually do something worthwhile and useful22:08
PiciPriceChild: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bnrubin :)22:08
PriceChildPici: nice profile page 8-)22:09
MezMyrtti, w00t :D PHP ftw :D22:09
PiciActually, I was just looking for something to extend my P alliteration22:09
PriceChildhmm?22:09
MyrttiMez: I wrote an CMS/blogging tool with it once22:09
Myrttithen I got bored and simply moved to using wordpress22:10
PiciPriceChild: Would you do the honor of cloaking me, sir?22:10
PriceChildPici: sure22:10
Mezf**k me - I have 230 facebook friends.22:10
Mezand they're all people I know in person or through ubuntu22:10
PiciPriceChild: woo, thanks :)22:10
PriceChildMez: i bet you sleep happy knowing that22:11
* Seeker` is going to apply for membership22:11
Myrtti/me stabs epiphany, growls22:11
Myrtti:-o22:12
Myrtticlaws-mail is flaking?22:12
MezPriceChild, no - it scares me22:12
MyrttiIEAAA 81C22:13
Myrttihow on earht22:13
MezI hate my boss: http://photos-802.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v236/33/27/557055802/n557055802_1133334_3831.jpg22:13
MyrttiDIE DIE DIE DIE KILL -922:14
Myrtti/me jumps up and down on claws-mail22:14
Myrttidie you bastard die22:14
Myrttiloads were up to 4...22:14
Seeker`Myrtti: What are you doing to your poor computer? :'(22:15
MyrttiI dunno, claws just announced that couldn't authenticate to imap.gmail22:15
Myrttithen it flaked22:15
MezSeeker`, she said - jumping up and down22:16
MezMyrtti, thats gmail - it does it to me all the time22:16
Mezand evolution flakes horribly22:16
MyrttiI'd rather gnaw my arm off than use evolution22:16
PriceChildgmail has annoyed me lately22:17
PriceChildonly just managed to download the all mail folder22:17
PriceChildi use it because it integrates with gnome22:17
MyrttiI got bruises the size of my palms on my knees after last company christmas party after falling on my knees praising my liberation from evolution-exchange plugin usage22:17
* PriceChild resists22:18
MyrttiI hate that plugin even more than I hate yast22:18
Myrttiand that is said a lot22:18
Seeker`wow22:18
Seeker`thats impressive22:18
MezMyrtti, I like it because it's the only client I've got so far that'll retrieve counts for all my IMAP folders of new messages without me having to goto each  folder and set an option22:18
MezMyrtti, and yeah, Evo-Exchange sucks22:19
* Mez HATES it22:19
Myrttiusing evolution-exchange plugin allowed me to crash evolution just trying to write an email... starting to write an address to the To: field --> instant crash22:19
Myrtti!instantrimshot22:19
ubottuFactoid instantrimshot not found22:19
MyrttiMez: claws-mail does just that22:20
* Mez tries22:21
Damien_33102oh my god22:29
Damien_33102my roomate got me BANNED AGAIN!22:29
Seeker`Damien_33102: how can we help you?22:29
Damien_33102YES i was BANNED22:29
Seeker`how did your roommate manage to get you banned?22:30
Damien_33102my friend was drunk and decided to fuck around here and now i need help with a broadcom driver but nobody can hel pme22:30
Damien_33102because he came in here22:30
Damien_33102and he started pissing you off22:30
Damien_33102i get him to use linux and well22:30
Damien_33102he ruins my chances of support22:30
Mez!ohmy | Damien_3310222:31
ubottuDamien_33102: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.22:31
Damien_33102im already gonna kick him out22:31
Damien_33102for drinking22:31
Damien_33102and messing with me while hes drunk22:31
Damien_33102plaese unban me i will make SURE he doesnt come in here22:32
Mez@btlogin22:33
Seeker`Damien_33102: How did he get to use your computer?22:33
Damien_33102sorry for my language but godddd what arghh22:33
Damien_33102i forgot to logout22:33
Myrtti"screensaver"22:34
Damien_33102and he took it as an opportunity22:34
Damien_33102to mess around with me22:34
MyrttiI've got a screensaver locking with password even in my desktop computer22:34
Myrttiand I live alone22:34
Damien_33102i already have to get FIVE of my friends on AIM to unblock me since i saved a log and he had fiv epeople block me its unfair22:34
MezDamien_33102, what nick were yo using?u22:34
Damien_33102i have no idea22:34
Damien_33102not me22:34
Damien_33102him22:35
Mezhmm22:35
* Mez reads logs22:35
Damien_33102omg hes so stupid22:35
Seeker`Damien_33102: what is your friends name?22:35
Damien_33102he didnt even cloze out xchat when he did this and he expect me to feel sorry22:36
Damien_33102james22:36
Seeker`and what is your name?22:36
Damien_33102he usually uses a name like "thugpimp" or something like a little wannabee but i dont think he did it here22:36
Damien_33102my names David22:36
Seeker`who is "John" then?22:36
Damien_33102my friend22:37
Damien_33102not james tho22:37
PriceChildand why do you use damien online?22:37
Damien_33102he doesnt use linux why22:37
MezDamien_33102, you have a mac?22:37
Damien_33102i use damien cause its a cool name22:37
Damien_33102james does22:37
Damien_33102omg he was trying to be JOHN?22:37
Damien_33102has he done this before22:37
PriceChild@btlogin22:37
Damien_33102hes at class right now im rly gonna smash his computer22:38
Damien_33102because he messed with my friends too so its not only u guys22:39
MezDamien_33102, do you ALWAYS use the nick you're on now?22:39
Damien_33102not always22:40
Damien_33102i have a one name i use everywhere but i dont like 2 share it22:40
MezDamien_33102, put simply. We have no way of verifying your story.22:40
Damien_33102omg u have the logs of him!22:40
Damien_33102what more do u need?22:41
MezDamien_33102, using YOUR IP address.22:41
Damien_33102duh22:41
PriceChildDamien_33102: What would you say if I suggested we knew you were the person who was on 9 hours ago?22:41
Damien_33102i would say you're crazy22:41
MezI could for example, decide to remove everyone from the channel. and then blame someone else.22:42
Damien_33102why would i get myself banned22:42
Damien_33102tell me that22:42
MezHowever, *I* and I alone am responsible for the actions that are made on the internet from my computer.22:42
Damien_33102????22:42
MezDamien_33102, I personally, believe you are the same person that was banned earlier.22:43
MezBecause the way you write is the same as the person that got banned.22:43
Damien_33102if u guys dont believe me dats fine22:43
Damien_33102cause i can always use a proxy22:43
MezAs we have no way to verify whether it *was* you, we can't unban22:43
Damien_33102what kind of wayz do u need to verify22:43
MezDamien_33102, threats like that make it more likely that your ban will stay in place22:44
Mezplus, it is an offence to evade bans on freenode. Staff WILL be involved if you do so22:44
Damien_33102oh22:44
Damien_33102what threats22:44
MezDamien_33102, there is no way to verify. As it came from your computer22:44
Damien_33102actually i cant use a proxy i tried22:44
Mez<Damien_33102> if u guys dont believe me dats fine22:44
Mez<Damien_33102> cause i can always use a proxy22:44
Mezthose22:44
Damien_33102o yea22:45
Meza threat to ban evade22:45
Damien_33102yeahh i wont use a proxy but im so mad22:45
Seeker`Damien_33102: It comes down to the fact that you are responsible for what happens on your computer22:45
MezDamien_33102, I suggest you serve your term, and configure a screensaver password to stop future incidents22:45
Damien_33102and proxies dont work i tried it with here when a guy accidentally banned me22:45
Damien_33102o uh22:45
MezDamien_33102, if it comes from your computer. We can only assume it is you.22:46
Damien_33102is there sumthing like "switch user" like windows?22:46
Damien_33102i used to use "switch user" alot to just keep everything open but not have people login22:46
MezDamien_33102, do you use ubuntu or kubuntu ?22:46
Damien_33102how long is the ban? i can use a forum n stuff for now22:46
Damien_33102i use both actually22:46
Damien_33102i get old computers and install linux22:47
MezDamien_33102, which do you use primarily?22:47
Mezas in - on the computer you're on now?22:47
Damien_33102yeah22:47
Mezeither way - in your screensaver preferences - there is a "lock screen when screensaver starts" option22:47
Damien_33102this computer was an old school computer that a schoolgave to me a while back22:47
Damien_33102o so i have to wait for the screensaver?22:48
Damien_33102since i used to do that with windows ME22:48
MezDamien_33102, that's not relevant. As I said serve22:48
Seeker`Damien_33102: ctrl + alt + L should lock the screen22:48
Mezyour time, and add a screensaver lock22:48
Damien_33102ohhhhh22:48
Damien_33102thwats right theres a lock thing22:48
MezDamien_33102, you can add a lock applet to your panel22:48
Damien_33102i'll do that thankss22:48
Damien_33102how long is the ban?22:49
MezDamien_33102, I'd say the ban would be at LEAST a week, but thats up to the banning op to decide22:49
Damien_33102whos the op?22:49
Mezthere were 3 ops involved22:49
Myrttiof which one just left22:50
MezCome back in a week, and your ban will be reviewed then by whoevers available.22:50
Damien_33102oh okay22:50
Damien_33102is there any ircs u recommend22:50
Damien_33102incase i need some quick help while im banned22:50
MezAnyone can unban, but in these circumstances (three issues in a short period of time) - a week would be acceptable in my books22:50
MezDamien_33102, mailing lists or forums22:51
Damien_33102oh ok22:51
Mezwe dont know of places outside freenode unfortunately22:51
Damien_33102thanks for ur time. he22:51
Damien_33102ohhhhh my goddd22:51
Damien_33102there are puke stains right by my desk eww22:51
Myrttior we do, but can't recommend due to their lack of standards22:51
MezDamien_33102, thanks for being understanding. I'll see you in #ubuntu in a week :D22:51
Damien_33102imma go thanks for yourt time :)22:51
MezDamien_33102, that's not appropriate here - i suggest ##offtopic22:52
Mez(for puke stains)22:52
Damien_33102i know i just stepped in it lol sorry22:52
Damien_33102well bye imma go eat some chinese food and lock my computer this time :P22:53
MezDamien_33102, see you in a week :D Can I ask that you leave here now - makes it easier for us to manage what's going on in here :)22:53
Mezah22:53
Mezhehe22:53
MezHe was quite understanding.22:53
MyrttiI have to say though, the first guy didn't look drunk to me...22:54
MezIf he hasnt caused trouble in the next couple of days - any issues with me unbanning? his reasonable behaviour in here should be commended22:54
Myrttiok for me22:54
Myrttipoke elky too though22:54
* Mez gives elky a quick poke22:55
MyrttiI think my partitioner in my desktop machine has jammed22:56
Myrtti/me goes to kick the partitioner22:57
* SportChick eyes Mez 23:05
Myrttithe damn thing is stuck at 47%23:06
Myrtti*sigh*23:06
MezSportChick, what did I do ?23:09
Myrtti!prayer23:13
ubottuDear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so.23:13
Myrtti*sigh*23:14
SportChickMez: heh, nothing :) was looking at your comment to someone earlier, but didn't have time to read the whole log23:26
MezSportChick, what was my comment?23:26
Mezthe ban evasion is an offence and freenode staff will be involved one?23:27
SportChickMez: yep23:27
MyrttiThou shall not awake the sleeping **STAFF**, for thy life is puny and miniscule in their eyes!23:28
MezSportChick, was I wrong there?23:29
Seeker`Myrtti: yeah, hilighting STAFF needlessly is a bad idea23:29
Mezhehe23:29
Mezfreenode sta ff23:29
Myrtti/me hides23:29
Myrttiit was Mez who said it first23:30
* Mez runs from na lioth and price child and oth ers23:30
Myrtti/me points at Mez23:30
Myrttihe went *THAT* way23:30
* Mez glares23:30
Myrtti/me reads an announcment from the company intra about the summer day23:31
Myrtti"PS. Drowning without written permission is against the company policy and forbidden during the cruise."23:31
Picibuh? why does #ubuntu-chat exist, and why doesnt it forward to -offtopic?23:32
Myrttihuh?23:32
jribPici: +123:32
mneptokMyrtti: file such a request and see if you get offered extra vacation time23:32
jribit's owned by the council23:32
SportChickMez: it wasn't a problematic highlight - was just checking in to see if you needed anything23:32
Myrttimneptok: I was going to ask if there are applications, I might want to fill one up for the Jackass of Relationships and Nerdom23:33
Myrttithen I could shove him to the sea without consequences23:34
mneptokexcept angry cod.23:34
Myrttitrue23:34
Myrttiherring, rather23:34
MyrttiI don't know if Baltic Sea has cod23:34
mneptoktheir bad mood would taint their flesh, thus ruining the taste of lutefisk.23:35
MezSportChick, no, was dealt with quite well actually23:35
MyrttiI don't do lutefisk :-<23:35
mneptokMyrtti: sane people don't23:35
Myrttibut fishfingers are nice23:35
mneptokthus the "ruin the taste of..." ;)23:36
Picifish dont have fings23:36
Picior fingers23:36
SportChickMez: I have no doubt23:36
Myrttiaccording to Finnish Wikipedia, the Common Ling (!) has replaced cod in making of lutefisk in Finland23:36
SportChickMez: tossed you a query, btw (hope you don't mind)23:38
elky_workMez: was on a train, sorry23:42
MezSportChick, I dont mind people querying me :D ever.23:43
MezI can always block23:43
Myrtti/me networks23:43
* SportChick hugs Mez 23:44
SportChickhiya elky_work23:44
Mezelky_work, you got backlog/23:45
elky_workreading now23:51
Myrtti/me yawns, notes it's way too late23:51
elky_workand of course the first thing you do after stepping in puke is to think about eating chinese food...23:52
mneptokMyrtti: you know Zak?23:52
Myrttimneptok: I've talked to him a bit23:52
mneptokah, okee.23:52
Myrttihe was a presenter at Mindtrek last year23:53
Myrttiof which I was organizing23:53
elky_workMez: sorry dude, but they are so the same person23:53
mneptokah yes. so he was.23:53
mneptokand he's been in Suomi a few times for MySQL work with Monty.23:53
Mezelky_work, oh, I agree.23:54
Seeker`elky_work: thats not surprising :P23:54
Myrttimonty was funny, I was going to set him up with the mic and didn't realize who I was talking to and started with English23:54
Mezbut - he handled that graciously. I'm happy to remove on Friday and not tell him23:54
Mezand make it a perma-ban if it happens again23:54
elky_worki'd wait until saturday when there's more people around to deal with him23:55
MyrttiI almost dropped my jaw when I realized he was speaking Finnish (although with a swedish accent)23:55
mneptokMyrtti: his english is excellent, as you found out. :)23:55
Myrttiyes, it is23:55
Myrttibetter than most of us Finns23:56
* mneptok flashes some Swedish-Fin gang signs23:56
mneptok+n23:56
Myrttiyou?23:59

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