[00:00] <nalioth> since you've not felt the need to cooperate with us, the irc council has decided to regain the channels in question as of 1800 hours US Central time tomorrow ( right now for everyone not in US CT )
[00:00] <cody-somerville> I don't think Freenode will allow that to happen with my pending GC request.
[00:01] <Mez> cody-somerville, will you answer this? Was it a staffer who changed it?
[00:01] <elky_work> cody-somerville: we already have GCs for the channels. we'll have to approve you.
[00:01] <elky_work> and frankly, we are unlikely to do so.
[00:02] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu does not fall under the Ubuntu project's GC
[00:02] <cody-somerville> registration
[00:02] <cody-somerville> The same argument with #ubuntu-devel applies here.
[00:02] <elky_work> don't doubt us.
[00:03] <Mez> cody-somerville, so xubuntu is not an Ubuntu goverened project? It has it's own govenance?
[00:03] <PriceChild> Mez: This isn't relevant.
[00:03] <cody-somerville> Mez, It is an official derivative with strong collaboration with Ubuntu.
[00:04] <elky_work> cody-somerville: I know that i am GC for #xubuntu, because it was on my GCF.
[00:04] <cody-somerville> elky, You had no right
[00:04] <Mez> PriceChild, if it's not ubuntu governed - then it shouldnt be in the ubuntu GC namespace. The GCs are appointed by the CC..
[00:04] <cody-somerville> It was simply a mistake
[00:04] <Mez> cody-somerville, you didnt answer my question though.
[00:04] <cody-somerville> Mez, I was trying to do but I'm ctrl+u'ing to answer other questions
[00:05] <cody-somerville> elky_work, Freenode will not look at who or what has happened or been registered in the past.
[00:05] <Mez> cody-somerville, feel free to take your time - they dont all need to be answered at once
[00:05] <cody-somerville> They will look and see that I am the project leader and that'll be that.
[00:05] <elky_work> cody-somerville: sorry, but you're wrong.
[00:05] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: Unless your form is 'approved', it will not be taken into account.
[00:05] <PriceChild> That is my understanding at least.
[00:05] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I'll make a phone call in a moment to whatever number I can find and have it approved this evening if possible
[00:06] <nalioth> cody-somerville: who will you call, if you don't mind me asking?
[00:06] <cody-somerville> Furthermore, I will contact the CC and ask them to issue an injunction formally prohibiting you have taking any sort of action
[00:06] <cody-somerville> nalioth, I'll have to look the contact information up. If it isn't openly available, I'm sure I know someone who can get me in touch with the appropriate authorities.
[00:07]  * elky_work chortles coffee all over her keyboard and monitor.
[00:07] <cody-somerville> But I imagine there would be dire consequences for any of you on the council that are Freenode staff if you were to forcefully take over the channel with this knowledge.
[00:07] <Mez> cody-somerville, could you answer my question?
[00:07] <nalioth> cody-somerville: the irc council voted
[00:08] <cody-somerville> nalioth, It means nothing. You. Have. No. Authority. Over. Xubuntu. Channels.
[00:08] <cody-somerville> Mez, Yes, it has its own governance.
[00:08] <Mez> cody-somerville, so it doesnt answer to the ubuntu CC?
[00:08] <elky_work> Mez: the trademark issue remains though, which is why we have GC over the channels.
[00:09] <cody-somerville> Trademark is owned by Canonical
[00:09] <cody-somerville> And I'll call someone at Canonical if I have to
[00:09] <elky_work> and i'll call Mark if i have to.
[00:09] <Mez> mneptok, ping
[00:09] <cody-somerville> elky_work, So will I
[00:09] <Mez> elky_work, do you have his number?
[00:09] <elky_work> Mez: no, but i have elmos in my phone.
[00:09] <Pici> Ugh.
[00:10] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: #xubuntu falls under the control of the CC?
[00:10] <Mez> elky_work, /msg
[00:11] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: ?
[00:11] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, #xubuntu falls under the control of the Xubuntu project.
[00:11] <Seeker`> ok, lets start at the top
[00:12] <Mez> cody-somerville, does the control of the xubuntu project fall under the ubuntu CC
[00:12] <tomaw> cody-somerville: as a member of freenode staff, I can confirm that #xubuntu falls within the control of the registered ubuntu project
[00:12] <Seeker`> xubuntu is an official derivative of ubuntu, yes?
[00:12] <Mez> aka, if the CC wanted you to take a direction, and you disagreed, would you
[00:12] <cody-somerville> tomaw, I'm appealing that.
[00:12] <cody-somerville> Mez, Yes.
[00:12] <cody-somerville> Mez, We often do.
[00:12] <tomaw> cody-somerville: the ubuntu project has decided that this control is granted to the irc council, so freenode will comply with requests from the registered group contacts at the request of said council.
[00:13] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: The CC have delegated responsibility for IRC channels under their control to the IRC council, as far as I can tell
[00:13] <cody-somerville> tomaw, Ubuntu != Xubuntu
[00:13] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: So the IRC council are acting with the authority of the CC with regards to matters on IRC
[00:13] <cody-somerville> tomaw, Hence whoever approved the GC made a mistake.
[00:13] <Mez> cody-somerville, then it falls under the CC - who have ultimate control over the project, who have appointed the GCs?
[00:14] <Pici> cody-somerville: (my opinion follows) The IRCC is not trying to take Xubuntu away from you, but it was their understanding that they had control over the Ubuntu namespace (including #xubuntu). Furthermore, I don't see what you gain by not allowing them access to the channel, besides gross alienation.
[00:14] <tomaw> cody-somerville: tbh I know very little about ubuntu, however, my understanding was that canonical has some form of involvment with xubuntu also and that they control related channels
[00:15] <nalioth> cody-somerville: as i recall, the GCF was originally approved before you were a blip on the Xubuntu radar.  Care to explain that?
[00:15] <tomaw> (this probably applies to kubuntu et al also)
[00:16] <cody-somerville> tomaw, If Debian changed their DPL (ie. the old one got voted out), are you saying that the old DPL could say "Screw off" and keep the GC designation?
[00:16] <tomaw> debian moved to oftc :)
[00:16] <cody-somerville> tomaw, I'm well aware of that
[00:16] <cody-somerville> This is a theoretical question
[00:17] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: The Community Council (and therefore the IRC council) have not been "voted out" of control of Xubunut
[00:18] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, no idea what you're talking about
[00:18] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: Applying the same theoretical situation about DPL to Xubuntu
[00:18] <Mez> cody-somerville, what hes saying is that the CC are in control of xubuntu still, and that means they have the power to appoint GCs?
[00:18] <tomaw> cody-somerville: xubuntu irc authority has not been voted out
[00:18] <cody-somerville> Okay. I'll hold a vote right now.
[00:19] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: noone has ever said that you *own* the project- the CC still do
[00:19] <Seeker`> as it is still an official derivative
[00:19] <Pici> *sigh*
[00:19] <cody-somerville> The CC does not *own* Xubuntu.
[00:19] <tomaw> cody-somerville: oh, I see.  You believe you have ownership of the x* project itself?
[00:19] <Mez> cody-somerville, you're willing to excommunicate xubuntu from ubuntu (meaning it'd have to be renamed?
[00:19] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu is not going to be excommunicated
[00:20] <cody-somerville> The only people not respecting the Xubuntu project is this council.
[00:20] <cody-somerville> Whose integrity and intentions I highly doubt.
[00:20] <Mez> cody-somerville, but by "voting" to not be part of the Ubuntu community - youd be doing that
[00:20] <cody-somerville> I'm not voting to be out of the Ubuntu community
[00:20] <Pici> cody-somerville: What do you think their intentions are?
[00:20] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: Do you agree that the CC has delegated responsiblity for IRC channels under their control to the IRC council?
[00:21] <elky_work> cody-somerville: im going to have to ask you to comply with the request made by Mark to emma a few weeks ago, and please cease choosing who to respect within the community.
[00:21] <Mez> cody-somerville, if the CC chose to - they could stop xubuntu existing right? (under its current name)
[00:21] <cody-somerville> elky_work, I'm not choosing to respect anyone selectively.
[00:22] <cody-somerville> Mez, No. Only Canonical can do it.
[00:22] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: You are choosing not to recognise the authority of the IRC Council
[00:22] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, Thats right I don't
[00:22] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: What do you think the CC is?
[00:22] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, It isn't Canonical
[00:22]  * elky_work raises an eyebrow
[00:22] <Mez> cody-somerville, fair enough - so you answer to the chain of command that canonical sets forward for ubuntu yes?
[00:22] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, IRC Council does not have authority over Xubuntu channels
[00:22] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: I didn't say what isn't it, it said what do you think it *is*
[00:22] <cody-somerville> Omgz!
[00:23] <cody-somerville> Canonical does not control Ubuntu!!
[00:23] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: who does control ubuntu?
[00:23] <Pici> Sarcasm/whatever isnt really appropriate for this discussion.
[00:23] <elky_work> you're too ridiculous for me to waste any more work time on.
[00:24] <tomaw> cody-somerville: okay, I think I have done enough fact-finding to sound mostly authoritive, if you're willing to listen :)
[00:24] <cody-somerville> You people have some very incorrect assumptions
[00:24] <nickrud> doesn't it seem to anyone else that this is going nowhere? Until the question of Xubuntu's position in the Ubuntu world is cleared up, this discussion is pointless
[00:24] <Seeker`> "The Ubuntu Community Council is the primary community (i.e., non-technical) governance body for the Ubuntu project. Members are appointed by Mark Shuttleworth and approved by a vote by the entire Ubuntu membership."
[00:24] <Mez> cody-somerville, check out http://www.ubuntu.com/ - I think you'll find they do
[00:24] <Pici> nickrud: Agreed.
[00:24] <tomaw> cody-somerville: although if I just state one thing at once, perhaps you could confirm or correct? :)
[00:24] <cody-somerville> tomaw, Maybe it would be best to do that in a private query so it doesn't get lost in the blur of this channel?
[00:24] <Mez> _MMA_, can I help? It might be worth taking it to /msg at the moment. There is a lot of traffic in here right now
[00:25] <tomaw> if you wish, although I am sure people here will shush for 5-6 lines if we ask nicely
[00:25] <_MMA_> Mez: No. Im watchng for now.
[00:25] <_MMA_> *watching
[00:25] <nalioth> tomaw, you have the floor
[00:25] <ubot3> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, Flare183 said: !virus (this is kinda of a weird link)
[00:26] <tomaw> cody-somerville: okay, so for sanity, you have no problem with the CC managing #ubuntu* etc as they see fit?
[00:26] <cody-somerville> tomaw, Correct.
[00:27] <tomaw> cody-somerville: you also agree that xubuntu is ultimately controlled by canonical?
[00:27] <cody-somerville> No.
[00:27] <tomaw> Okay, that at least makes the confusion here more clear to me.
[00:28] <tomaw> Why do you contest that? (I'm a gentoo or debian user, I don't know too much about ubuntu politics and structure)
[00:28] <Mez> _MMA_, please read the topic. I'll let those involved decide whether to act on it
[00:28] <_MMA_> Mez: Sure. Im sure enough people know me to let me hang around.
[00:28] <elky_work> Mez: he's a /ubuntu/member/
[00:28] <cody-somerville> tomaw, I'm not aware I'm contesting that. Canonical would not say that they control Xubuntu.
[00:29] <Mez> _MMA_, please see /msg
[00:29] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: who does control xubuntu?
[00:29] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, I thought tomaw had the floor?
[00:29] <tomaw> Seeker`: please
[00:30] <Seeker`> sorry
[00:30] <tomaw> cody-somerville: My understanding was that they fund x* and that it's ultimate control is with the community council?
[00:30] <cody-somerville> Canonical does not fund Xubuntu.
[00:30] <cody-somerville> The CC is not in ultimate control of Xubuntu.
[00:30] <tomaw> Okay, so how does it relate to the ubuntu project at all?
[00:31] <cody-somerville> tomaw, It is a derivative.
[00:31] <Mez> dealt with the edit above and issue resolved btw
[00:32] <elky_work> cody-somerville: does canonical not host, nor provide build infrastructure to xubuntu at all?
[00:32] <cody-somerville> tomaw, Xubuntu is derived from Ubuntu. We are considered an official derivative because we operate within the "Ubuntu Spirit" and collaborate strongly with the official Ubuntu project.
[00:32] <tomaw> cody-somerville: completely without support from any other ubuntu/canonical product (other than probably grabbing updates from their repos etc)
[00:33] <cody-somerville> Canonical does assist us but does not ask for any authority over the project in return.
[00:34] <Mez> mneptok, ping
[00:35] <cody-somerville> tomaw, often it is individually employees of Canonical assisting us
[00:35] <tomaw> cody-somerville: Then I guess we have at least some confusion on at least one, if not all sides
[00:35] <cody-somerville> *individual
[00:35] <cody-somerville> tomaw, The website clearly labels Xubuntu as a community derivative.
[00:35] <nickrud> Again, I don't think this discussion is going to be productive right now. I'm not a council member, but I'd suggest tabling this, suspending the deadline and do some factfinding.
[00:35] <Mez> cody-somerville,  I think elky_work meant the build infrastructure, distribution etc
[00:35] <tomaw> nod, individual contributions are often very hard to contribute to either their employer or themselves etc
[00:36] <cody-somerville> Mez, I'm well aware of that.
[00:36] <cody-somerville> tomaw, It has always been recognized as the later
[00:36] <tomaw> Mez: however, donated resources do not directly imply the donor has massive control over the project.
[00:36] <Mez> cody-somerville, that isnt an individual - I dont think the sysadmins/soyuz coders would agree with that
[00:37] <tomaw> think sourceforge.net
[00:37] <Seeker`> canonical own the trademark on xubuntu
[00:37] <cody-somerville> I'm sorry but are we able to note follow directions?
[00:37] <cody-somerville> *not
[00:37] <Pici> I dont think this discussion is getting anywhere
[00:37] <Seeker`> Pici++
[00:38] <cody-somerville> tomaw, I told you we should have gone to private query
[00:38] <Mez> tomaw, they can revoke access to the services, stop distribution and revoke the trademark rights... surely that's control? if they can stop it existing in its current form under its current name?
[00:38] <Mez> (I'm not saying they would however)
[00:38] <cody-somerville> Mez, Incorrect.
[00:39] <Mez> cody-somerville, what is incorrect?
[00:39] <cody-somerville> Mez, They can not stop Xubuntu from existing.
[00:39] <Pici> cody-somerville: I woudlnt like to see this create a rift between Ubuntu and Xubuntu, Does Xubuntu have their own CC that we could bring this issue up to, or would the general CC be a better forum?
[00:39] <Mez> cody-somerville, in its current form, under its current name is what I said.
[00:39] <cody-somerville> Mez, I disagree with that statement.
[00:40] <Seeker`> Pici: It will take 2 weeks to get to CC
[00:40] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, and there is no need to hostilely take over the Xubuntu namespace in that time frame.
[00:41] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: I didn't say that there was. Howver, given the mount of tension at the moemet, it would be better to resolve it sooner rather than later
[00:41] <elky_work> the irc council has _not_ revoked it's decision, and sees no reason to revoke it at this time.
[00:41] <elky_work> cody-somerville: the way you have reacted here has only solidified our reasoning for this action.
[00:42] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: Please can you confirm who you believe controls the xubuntu project?
[00:42] <cody-somerville> elky_work, yea right
[00:42] <cody-somerville> elky_work, So me disagreeing with you gives you justification
[00:42] <cody-somerville> Can someone scream CORRUPTION?!
[00:42] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, I control the Xubuntu project
[00:42] <nixternal> cody-somerville controls the Xubuntu project
[00:42] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: unilaterally?
[00:43] <cody-somerville> There was an e-mail sent out to ubuntu-devel-announce
[00:43] <elky_work> if disagreement caused corruption in the authority, then every police figure is corrupt since there'll always be a criminal to disagree with them.
[00:43] <elky_work> please proceed to your local police station to inform them of this.
[00:43] <cody-somerville> So you're comparing me to a criminal?
[00:43] <cody-somerville> Brilliant.
[00:43] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: No, she is refering to an analagous situation
[00:43] <nixternal> haha
[00:43] <elky_work> no, im comparing your logic of corruption to the police system
[00:44] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: If I make a car analogy am I calling you a car? or a mechanic?
[00:44] <nickrud> cody-somerville, substitute politician there, the concept still holds.
[00:44] <elky_work> Seeker`: he's trying to find reasons to fight, that's all.
[00:44] <cody-somerville> Ummm... no.
[00:45] <cody-somerville> Do I *really* have to spell out how that analogy compares me to a criminal?
[00:45] <Pici> Who cares? We're not here to discuss that.
[00:45] <cody-somerville> Pici, excellent reply.
[00:45] <elky_work> it was the first scenario to my head. please proceed with logic.
[00:46] <cody-somerville> elky_work, really, can we grow up now?
[00:46] <elky_work> up to you.
[00:46]  * cody-somerville sighs.
[00:46]  * cody-somerville takes a deep breath to calm down.
[00:46] <nixternal> cody-somerville: what's up homeskillet?
[00:46] <cody-somerville> nixternal, The IRC Council has voted to take over the Xubuntu namespace.
[00:47] <nixternal> and why is that?
[00:47] <elky_work> because it's being mismanaged.
[00:47] <nixternal> how so?
[00:47] <elky_work> irresponsible removal of key redundancy figures from access.
[00:47] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: We already 'own' the xubuntu namespace. We have voted to retake #xubuntu and #xubuntu-offtopic after they were 'stolen' from us without permission.
[00:48] <cody-somerville> They were not stolen.
[00:48] <nixternal> by taking the namespace, will cody-somerville still have access to add people to the channel access list and control that?
[00:48] <elky_work> yes, but we will also have the right to intervene in the absence of an op once more.
[00:48] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: i used the 's to indicate my looseness of application. Either way, you took control of them, when they were ours, without our knowledge or permission.
[00:49] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Explain to me how they were stolen.
[00:49] <PriceChild> It has not been suggested that all of cody's access will be removed.
[00:49] <cody-somerville> Please explain to me how the channels were stolen?
[00:49] <elky_work> cody-somerville: define 'stolen' please.
[00:50] <nixternal> PriceChild: none of cody-somerville access should be removed, seeing as he is the MAIN driver of Xubuntu, I think he should control it honestly
[00:50] <cody-somerville> elky_work, Thats the rationalization you people are using it
[00:50] <elky_work> cody-somerville: indeed, i want you to verbalise the definition of 'stolen'
[00:50] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: we went over this yesterday, and you ended up telling me that you were not allowed to tell us who did the dirty deed for you.
[00:50] <nalioth> nixternal: as said above, that subject has never arisen
[00:50] <cody-somerville> There was no dirty deed.
[00:50] <nixternal> no dirty need, nor a need to snitch on someone in case it wasn't done correctly either
[00:50] <nalioth> chanserv doesn't just randomly change chanowns
[00:51] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu channels have ALWAYS been under the Xubuntu project's control.
[00:51] <elky_work> nixternal: we'd like to know where the process is breaking so we can avoid future reoccurances of this dilemma.
[00:51] <cody-somerville> elky_work, The process is breaking with the IRC Council
[00:51] <nixternal> elky_work: that's fine, but don't expect him to provide names
[00:52] <elky_work> nixternal: all i've asked is for it to be confirmed if it was a staff or not.
[00:52] <elky_work> nixternal: then we know if we can request and inquiry through freenode.
[00:53] <elky_work> nixternal: if it was freenode, it's a gross misappropriation of process.
[00:55] <cody-somerville> So what is the rationale for hastily taking the channel namespace over?
[00:56] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: I explained that in my proposition of a vote a few hours ago. Logs are available at irclogs.ubuntu.com
[00:57] <elky_work> we probably wouldnt have bothered if it were not for the dangerous mismanagment of access.
[00:57] <PriceChild> I also think 'hastily' is an unfair term for the situation. We have given you ample opportunity to explain what has happenned, so we can sort things out, we are even giving you more.
[00:57] <cody-somerville> There was no dangerous mismanagement of access.
[00:57] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu runs smoothly.
[00:57] <cody-somerville> It hardly ever needs op actio
[00:57] <bazhang> libervisco has quit (""How fortunate for leaders that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler") nice part message
[00:57] <cody-somerville> *action
[00:58] <elky_work> cody-somerville: #ubuntu was like that at one point too.
[00:58] <elky_work> things change
[00:59] <cody-somerville> And you think it'll become a problem before the next CC meeting?
[01:00] <elky_work> it could.
[01:00] <cody-somerville> You honestly are willing to see this blow up instead of waiting?
[01:00] <Pici> Blow up?
[01:00] <elky_work> cody-somerville: depends, are you honestly willing to blow it up instead of waiting?
[01:00] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: your newfound management of the channel has already caused problems. (Something we've also already discussed)
[01:00] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, It did not cause problems.
[01:01] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: The Community Council has delegated the responsibility of managing ubuntu's irc presence to the irc council. The council sees no reason to ask the cc for help because of this and has made a decision.
[01:01] <cody-somerville> I trump that delegation.
[01:02] <elky_work> please dont make me chortle coffee again.
[01:02] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: who "owned" the project before you took control?
[01:02] <cody-somerville> If the CC did or did not give that authority, I am now withdrawing it
[01:02] <cody-somerville> Seeker`, They did not own it
[01:02] <cody-somerville> Jani Monoses founded Xubuntu
[01:02] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: who *did*
[01:02] <cody-somerville> Jani gave it to Lionel
[01:02] <cody-somerville> Lionel gave it to me after I was voted in by the community
[01:02] <cody-somerville> We went through this process publicly
[01:03] <cody-somerville> It was all announced to mailing lists
[01:03] <cody-somerville> Endorsed by the appropriate folks
[01:03] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: Who are the "appropriate folks"?
[01:04] <elky_work> it rather scares me that the project is being 'given'...
[01:04] <bazhang> there really should be a #ubuntu-politics channel for this
[01:04] <elky_work> bazhang: no, there should not.
[01:05] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: You do not have the authority to revoke our authority. Only the CC (or something higher?) could do that.
[01:05] <bazhang> this is going nowhere clearly.
[01:06] <PriceChild> The issue here is not who "should" manage channels, ircc or project.
[01:06] <cody-somerville> This is completely and utterly unacceptable.
[01:07] <PriceChild> It is that cody-somerville has gained the control of channels, 'stolen' even, from their previous owner, the irc council, without their permission or knowledge. He has then miss-managed the channels. This is why the IRCC took a vote earlier today.
[01:07] <nixternal> elky_work: I saw something about a decision on this, I am just wondering where the decision came from? I am kind of lost trying to follow this
[01:07] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, All very incorrect.
[01:07] <Pici> My question has nothing to do with Xubuntu, but rather with processes between Freenode and the IRCC: When asked why you would not disclose who gave you the rights to channel contact, you responded "Pricey, Because I've been instructed not to disclose that information."  This is a serious breakdown in protocol.
[01:07] <cody-somerville> This council is corrupt.
[01:07] <Seeker`> cody-somerville: they are not tryingf to take over control of the channel from you. They are trying to be marked as owner so that, if anything happens to you, or whoever else may be leader of the xubuntu community, there is a way of managing the channel until a replacement can be found
[01:08] <cody-somerville> There is no need to do that at this time
[01:08] <nixternal> PriceChild: is that IRCC vote published anywhere for everyone to read?
[01:08] <nixternal> elky_work: nevermind that, I found out :)
[01:08] <nalioth> nixternal: this channel is logged
[01:08] <PriceChild> nixternal: irclogs.ubuntu.com (a couple of hours ago)
[01:08] <nixternal> roger that
[01:08] <Seeker`> nixternal: the vote on whether to take ownership of the channel?
[01:08] <PriceChild> nixternal: elky, myself and nal were present, all voted in favour
[01:08] <Seeker`> nixternal: 23:39 BST
[01:08] <nixternal> actually, I was wondering if the IRCC meetings were public, obviously they are and I just missed it
[01:08] <nixternal> go figure
[01:08] <Seeker`> 22:39 UTC
[01:09] <nixternal> how man are on the IRCC?
[01:09] <Pici> nixternal: it was a bit impromptu
[01:09] <Seeker`> nixternal: 4
[01:09] <Seeker`> nixternal: nalioth, elky_work PriceChild and LjL
[01:09] <nixternal> hrmm, you need 1 more for a quorum
[01:09] <Seeker`> nixternal: nalioth, PriceChild and elky_work all voted +1
[01:09] <PriceChild> nixternal: we had 3 out of 4..
[01:09] <Seeker`> nixternal: Ljl could not have overturned the decision
[01:10] <nixternal> that I understand, but I am saying, an even amount allows for tied votes...
[01:10] <Pici> nixternal: There were oringinally 5, but seveas resigned.
[01:10] <nixternal> ahh ya, that's right
[01:10] <Pici> And that spot has not be refilled yet.
[01:10] <Seeker`> nixternal: In this case, there was not a tied vote though
[01:10] <nixternal> honestly, that spot should be filled prior to the council making votes...that's just the way it is with every other council in the community
[01:10] <Seeker`> nixternal: and if the final member of the council was here, they would not have been able to ccause a tied vote
[01:11] <PriceChild> nixternal: yep, that is an issue and something that needs to be resolved.
[01:11] <Seeker`> nixternal: With 5 people on the council, there would have been no way of a "no" majority
[01:11] <nixternal> in this instance you are correct, I am not denying that or disputing it...was just providin' a lil fyi
[01:11] <Pici> And we agree :)
[01:11] <Seeker`> nixternal: fair enough
[01:11] <nalioth> nixternal: we are aware  :)
[01:11]  * nixternal goes up and reads
[01:11] <nixternal> never read the output from one before that I can remember
[01:16] <Pici> uh, did anyone see that autorem in offtopic?
[01:17] <Seeker`> Pici: yeah...
[01:20] <Seeker`> Pici: I'm guessing there were big problems with a "jesus" in the past
[01:22] <Pici> I see the autorem, but I dont know where it got that kick reason from.
[01:23] <Seeker`> I suspect it was a reson set by whoever set the autoban
[01:38] <elky_work> Seeker`: there was a period where there were multiple trolls matching *jesus*!*@*
[01:39] <Seeker`> *nods*
[01:40] <elky_work> ompaul set the autorem out of desperation as much as anything, but it's probably worth considering lifting on a trial basis. i'll leave that for paul to decide though
[01:41] <Seeker`> yeah, I can understand that
[02:37] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: where in the world are you from?
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Not this world.... Why
[02:37] <Seeker`> you always seem to be online
[02:37] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Yea.. I get that alot
[02:38] <Seeker`> how many hours of sleep do you get a night?
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> I dont sleep much
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> I nap here and there
[02:38] <Seeker`> :/
[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Seriously
[02:39] <Jack_Sparrow> An hour or two here and there
[02:39] <Seeker`> ouch
[03:16] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow travers is someone you know?
[03:17] <Jack_Sparrow> yep, he has been banned by me before..
[03:17] <nickrud> figured something like that
[03:18] <Jack_Sparrow> look at his addy.. you will probably recognize it
[03:18] <tritium> Apparently an OpenBSD fan...
[03:18] <nickrud> no, I don't even try to remember that stuff
[03:19] <Jack_Sparrow> :
[03:19] <tritium> I agree
[03:19] <Jack_Sparrow> I already unbanned him.. but I expect the same trollish behavior again
[03:19] <tritium> You did?
[03:19] <Pici> so? leave the ban then.
[03:19] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[03:19] <nickrud> I truly believe I have better things to keep in my head, that's what computers are for
[03:20] <Pici> or rather, why not leave the ban then?
[03:20] <Pici> you keep computers in your head??
[03:20] <nickrud> _P
[03:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok...  I'll put it back.. But YOu guys were working with him so I took it back off..
[03:20] <Pici> I'm only asking why?
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I was trying not to step on your toes..
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> tritium  and nickrud were right there.
[03:22] <Pici> I'm barely paying attention, so don't mind me.
[03:22] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[03:22] <tritium> I was fine with the ban, but I'll leave it up to you, Jack_Sparrow.
[03:22] <nickrud> since he was a known troll, you probably saved me a few points on my blood pressure
[03:22] <Jack_Sparrow> np.. well see if he comes back..
[03:22] <Jack_Sparrow> goodnight
[03:23] <nickrud> goodnight
[03:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Hes back.. lets see if he learned anything
[03:25] <tritium> oh boy
[03:26] <Jack_Sparrow> 60 second kb seems to have changed his tone...
[03:27] <tritium> We'll see.
[03:30] <nickrud> lol, a nice, semi sarcastic part
[04:30] <Technoviking> evening all
[04:31] <Technoviking> what is the best way to get the logs from todays IRC Council meeting.
[04:31] <nickrud> Technoviking irclogs.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <Technoviking> not up yet:), thank nickrud
[04:35] <nickrud> Technoviking you must be kidding.
[04:36] <Technoviking> the #ubuntu-meeting file is only 1.4k, only a few lines, not in the 03-Jun-08
[04:38] <Technoviking> thanks
[04:38] <nickrud> Technoviking not sure, but at the end something about the meeting postponed. No one showed I guess. Those logs are automatically updated
[04:39] <Technoviking> nickrud: that is the CC, got a message about problem in an IRC council meeting today, wanted to read the logs for it
[04:40] <nickrud> Technoviking oh, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/04/%23ubuntu-ops.html , starts pretty much at the beginning
[04:41] <nickrud> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/03/%23ubuntu-ops.html Technoviking , 23:38 the question was put
[04:42] <Technoviking> nickrud: thanks, was looking in the #ubuntu-meeting logs :)
[04:44]  * gnomefreak finally fixed flash 10 PPA issues :)
[04:53] <RoAkSoAx> hi all, anyone around to verify if Neo_The_User is a bot that's saying hi to all in #ubuntu
[04:54] <nickrud> thanks RoAkSoAx
[04:55] <RoAkSoAx> np ;)
[06:46] <Myrtti> örbö
[07:01]  * elky_work blinks.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> xubuntuland sorted now?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> nope, seems not
[08:54] <Hobbsee> and i still don't see why it's vital to share any particular piece of information that someone asks you, about anything.
[09:01] <Myrtti> did you btw notice [04:43] *** BunnyRevolution [n=supybot@24.225.23.57] has joined #ubuntu-ops
[09:01] <Myrtti> [04:43] *** BunnyRevolution is New Now Know How
[09:01] <Hobbsee> i hadn't - i don't see joins and parts and quits in the backscroll.
[09:02] <Myrtti> anyone who was awake -6 hrs ago
[09:02] <Hobbsee> but how convenient, that the spies are out.  sigh.
[09:04] <Myrtti> after having read the backlog, I sorta feel like... um. that I should reinstall my laptop with something like e17 or fluxbox
[09:04] <Myrtti> my laptop feels icky
[09:04] <Hobbsee> and not ubuntu?  :)
[09:04] <Myrtti> yup
[09:05] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: it'll get fixed.  When the CC gets the information it needs to know, it shouldn't end up staying like this.
[09:06] <Hobbsee> how they might find out that information is an exercise left to the reader.
[09:06] <Myrtti> well, I don't know all the issues at hand, I would assume that he does a great job with the project but...
[09:06] <Myrtti> I don't know
[09:07] <Myrtti> there's just something fundamentally wrong here
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: if the irc council actually had cody's trust, he'd hand it over.
[09:07]  * Hobbsee asked him this a few days ago, in here.
[09:07] <Myrtti> it's not just about irc council for me
[09:07] <Myrtti> it's the whole status of xubuntu vs. ubuntu
[09:07] <Myrtti> as I said, my laptop feels icky
[09:09] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: i think the status of xubuntu vs ubuntu would *only* come up if the two parties had significant disagreements with the way the other party did things, and did not trust the other party to make good decisions.
[09:11] <Hobbsee> if one or more of the parties was changed to be sane, we wouldn't have this problem.
[09:11] <Hobbsee> and of course, one party not excessively bullying the other party would also help.
[09:11] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[09:12] <Myrtti> PriceChild: *dojojoiinnggg*
[09:13]  * Hobbsee wonders if the irc council must be notified of every change in leadership for every loco channel, too.
[09:14] <Hobbsee> and if so, where that is documented.
[09:14] <Myrtti> actually I do think it should be notified to the irc council
[09:14] <Hobbsee> it probably should, yes.
[09:15] <Myrtti> and all the loco channels should have representation at -irc
[09:15] <Hobbsee> but without it actually being documented there (and, i may have missed seeing it), i really can't blame people if they don't do it
[09:15] <Myrtti> set up a wiki page for it
[09:15] <Myrtti> which channel | who leads it | contact email | contact person in -irc
[09:18] <Myrtti> IrcCouncil\LocoChannels
[09:18] <Myrtti> or whatever
[09:18] <Hobbsee> and what you have to do to change it, who you have to email, and what you have to say
[09:18]  * Hobbsee hates wikitising things.
[09:18]  * Hobbsee is sure the irc council never got notified, beyond the one staff member who i asked to change the contact, about #kubuntu's change of alt contact
[09:20] <Myrtti> it would be quite easy to spread to locos that they should go and register themselves to the wikipage
[09:20] <Hobbsee> maybe i should change #ubuntu-motu's founder to dholbach or someone, and see if i get the same treatment.
[09:20] <Myrtti> start by announcing it at -irc
[09:20] <Myrtti> then someone in Planet Ubuntu will notice it and blog about it...
[09:20] <Myrtti> it doesn't matter that all of them wouldn't be there at first
[09:21] <Myrtti> even slow progress is progress
[09:22] <Myrtti> just add a note to the wikipage "all edits done by persons not identified to be on the access list of said channel will be reverted"
[09:23] <Myrtti> I can take that responsibility
[09:23] <Myrtti> I don't mind
[09:28] <Myrtti> I could even do the wikipage
[09:36]  * Hobbsee ponders.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> so, what are the most recent decisions made by the irc council, prior to this xubuntu land one?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> there's the emma one, the irseek one, but what others?
[09:52] <Myrtti> I'd suggest that the next council would take the ^ loco channel issue to the list
[09:52] <Myrtti> it would be easier to handle namespace spanning trolls/flooders if all the channels had someone in -irc
[09:53] <Myrtti> we still don't know how many channels are being harassed by that "poor $user" fellow
[09:53] <Myrtti> I know he's banned from -offtopic and -fi and -se
[09:54] <Myrtti> I banned him personally from the first two and told Nafallo how to ban him from -se
[09:56] <Myrtti> also the users coming to ask for banremoval at an #ubuntu-$loco could be handled there
[09:56] <Myrtti> or at least directed there and told contact $person
[09:57] <Myrtti> thus handling the language barrier
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[09:58] <bazhang> neo_the_user; that name looks familiar
[09:59] <Myrtti> whatwhere
[09:59] <bazhang> several hours ago he was greeting everyone who entered
[10:00] <bazhang> some thought he was a bot
[10:00] <Myrtti> /me considers changing her timestamps to utc
[10:00] <bazhang> just a chronic ban evader though
[10:05] <Myrtti> there we go
[10:05] <Myrtti> now living in UTC time on irssi
[10:35] <john__> i was banned for saying the F word
[10:35] <john__> i'm sorry but it was in a harmless way and slipped out. i didnt get a warning etiher
[10:35] <john__> no !language either
[10:35] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[10:36] <john__> can i please get unbanned? it wont happen again.. since i honestly need help on ubuntu and this is the best option for me
[10:36] <Myrtti> which channel and when
[10:36] <john__> #ubuntu
[10:36] <Myrtti> I can't track you down
[10:36] <john__> earlier today
[10:36] <john__> my username was subway
[10:36] <Myrtti> how many hours ago?
[10:36] <bazhang> usernam subway
[10:36] <john__> the guy who banned me was Jack_Sparrow
[10:37] <bazhang> he directed you to the ppc channel
[10:37] <Myrtti> ok
[10:37] <john__> and I said i still needed help and he said that my system isnt supported there when i have three windows PCs with ubuntu
[10:38] <Myrtti> so you were given a faq, (harmless advice, we give that to everyone) and an advice to join #ubuntu-ppc
[10:38] <bazhang> at which point you let fly with the expletive
[10:38] <john__> one
[10:38] <Myrtti> bazhang: hold on
[10:38] <Myrtti> first of al.
[10:38] <Myrtti> all, even
[10:38] <john__> no warning either
[10:38] <john__> slippd out and oops ban
[10:39] <Myrtti> I see your point, but unfortunately in normal cases I couldn't lift the ban as we have a policy of letting the banning op to decide the lenght of the ban
[10:39] <john__> this is family-friendly but i dont think a ban is appropiate for one slipup.
[10:39] <Myrtti> hold on, you too ;-)
[10:39] <john__> oh
[10:40] <Myrtti> damn, phone, brb
[10:40] <Myrtti> missed her
[10:40] <Myrtti> I'll call her back when I'm done
[10:40] <Myrtti> anyway
[10:40] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:41] <Myrtti> john__: have you since the ban, joined to #ubuntu-ppc and asked help for your ppc problem there?
[10:41] <john__> Myrtti, well.. it was filled with nothing for idles and
[10:41] <john__> for a good thirty minutes nobody responded but one person which i helped
[10:41] <john__> and ended up having a conversation together before he left.. then i waited a while and asked for help again
[10:42] <Myrtti> you must understand that Ubuntu is a global project and we all live in different timezones
[10:42] <Myrtti> I just set my IRC client to UTC so talking about times and such would be easier
[10:42] <elky> afaik jack went for sleep quite some time ago. he should reappear soon enough
[10:42] <Myrtti> 2008-06-04 09:42:43
[10:42] <Myrtti> oh.
[10:42] <Myrtti> that's utc
[10:43] <Myrtti> my clock is 12:42
[10:43] <Myrtti> /me fixes her alias
[10:43] <Myrtti> anyway
[10:44] <Myrtti> thank you for helping at the -ppc
[10:44] <john__> uh
[10:44] <Myrtti> since ppc's aren't produced anymore, all the help is needed there
[10:44] <john__> yeah
[10:44] <john__> and the forum is slow moving too
[10:44] <john__> for ppc
[10:44] <elky> depends what type of ppc you mean ;)
[10:44] <Myrtti> elky: true ;-)
[10:44] <john__> g3
[10:44] <john__> what
[10:45] <elky> john__, do you have a game console?
[10:45] <john__> a bunch
[10:45] <john__> ranging from the NES to the 360
[10:45] <john__> why
[10:45] <elky> how many do you know the processor type for? :)
[10:45] <john__> 0! :D
[10:45] <elky> hehe
[10:46] <john__> actually the NES's is what I know
[10:46] <john__> Ricoh
[10:47] <elky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#History <-- 4th last paragraph
[10:48] <ikonia> PPC is a sad loss
[10:48]  * elky nods to ikonia
[10:48] <ikonia> but also greatfully removed
[10:48] <ikonia> gratfully even
[10:49] <Myrtti> anyways
[10:49] <Myrtti> elky: did you check the logs?
[10:49] <elky> Myrtti, not yet. eating dinner
[10:49] <elky> i am still my own priority ;)
[10:50] <Myrtti> :->
[10:50] <elky> pork and fetta meatballs... :)
[10:50] <Myrtti> I'm having bbq with my ex today :->
[10:50] <Myrtti> anyway
[10:50] <elky> how fun
[10:50] <john__> the only one who can decide to unban me is the guy named after a disgusting movie (Jack_Sparrow)?
[10:51] <Myrtti> john__: please be civil
[10:51] <john__> well
[10:51] <john__> he sure wants
[10:51] <john__> wasnt
[10:51] <Myrtti> /me counts the "anyway"'s said by her
[10:51] <elky> i quite like those movies! :(
[10:51] <Myrtti> ANYWAY
[10:52] <john__> from what it looked like.. it looked like the guy thought i was having a swear-storm and being rude
[10:52] <john__> any way you can check the log in the PM with him?
[10:52] <Myrtti> here's what I see from the log
[10:52] <Myrtti> 1) you come into the channel at 2008-06-04T04:39:20
[10:53] <Myrtti> 2) you ask about ppc, and are correctly given an advice to join -ppc at 2008-06-04T04:41:12
[10:54] <Myrtti> 3) you then repeat your question at 2008-06-04T04:43:11, and you are again adviced to join -ppc
[10:54] <john__> huh
[10:54] <john__> i didnt get the message the first time then
[10:54] <john__> it's alot easier when the message is directed at me,.. in red text and all
[10:55] <Myrtti> 4) then you comment the question "have you read the faq" with a curseword, and are removed.
[10:55] <Myrtti> now
[10:55] <Myrtti> I do understand your frustration
[10:56] <Myrtti> and I understand that you might not have the patience to wait for the answers
[10:56] <Myrtti> note, *might*
[10:56] <Myrtti> I'm also quite sure, that when Jack_Sparrow comes back, he'll remove your ban.
[10:56] <Myrtti> *but*
[10:57] <john__> *
[10:57] <john__> ;)
[10:57] <john__> okay well
[10:57] <Myrtti> as I said... in normal cases I couldn't lift  the ban
[10:57] <john__> i had the patience but i've been googling and ran into the faq several times
[10:57] <Myrtti> in normal cases
[10:57] <john__> ;_;
[10:58] <john__> i've been googling all day
[10:58] <Myrtti> and here with the normal cases, I mean the rude, non-diplomatic, uncivil numbskulls, who come to hear rant and yell
[10:58] <Myrtti> making threats and usually end up having a longer ban that they started with
[10:59] <Myrtti> /me prods elky, have you eaten yet ;-)
[11:00] <john__> to me my case sounds minor :(
[11:00] <Myrtti> hold on
[11:00] <john__> come on
[11:00] <Myrtti> you've had a lot of patience, don't lose it now
[11:00] <john__> okay
[11:03] <elky> i'd say jack just forgot to clear it before he left. he's usually pretty good. however, please realise you're having me do a *very* rude thing here by lifting this without asking -- im taking your word for it that you didnt do anything else like yell at him over PM, which would validate the length in a heartbeat..
[11:04] <john__> I didn't yell at him. :P
[11:04] <Myrtti> elky: I'm willing to take the risk
[11:04] <john__> I tried to reason with it
[11:04] <elky> and how can i know this? he's not here.
[11:04] <john__> him
[11:04] <Myrtti> I was just wanting to clear it with you
[11:04] <Myrtti> if you'd think it was ok
[11:04] <john__> Well
[11:04] <elky> you didnt make any threats or anything, did you?
[11:04] <john__> No
[11:04] <ikonia> john__: are you the same john__ who was asking about flash ?
[11:05] <john__> ikonia: uhhhh i was asking for flash on my imac g3 earlier,.. i might've been
[11:05] <bazhang> on 5.10
[11:05] <john__> oh yeah
[11:05] <ikonia> yes, that was the conversation
[11:05] <john__> i have xubuntu dapper right now and i'll upgrade to 6.10 soon since i have an option
[11:05] <ikonia> is that the conversation you are dicussing here ?
[11:06] <john__> uhm
[11:06] <john__> not sure
[11:06] <bazhang> nay a subsequent one ikonia
[11:06] <john__> i'm getting help with flash in the forums right now though
[11:06] <Myrtti> elky: hold on, I reverted that
[11:06] <ikonia> ok, so the language in the flash discussion was pretty bad and uncalled for too
[11:06] <Myrtti> so, what was the deal with the flash discussion?
[11:06] <john__> which one
[11:06] <john__> i dont really  know it
[11:06] <Myrtti> thanks ikonia
[11:06] <john__> \can you like paste the log or something
[11:06] <bazhang> being repeatedly asked to upgrade to dapper
[11:07] <john__> it might've not been me
[11:07] <ikonia> looks like you ignored advice then started swearing
[11:07] <john__> ohh
[11:07] <john__> what swears
[11:07] <john__> that was two days ago wasnt it? (for me it is,.. time zones)
[11:07] <john__> so i dont remember
[11:08] <ikonia> ok, so you've been in multiple days and caused issues ?
[11:08] <john__> i was told to upgrade to dapper which i was just trying to get help and see if it worked on here, but now i'm on dapper
[11:08] <john__> no
[11:08] <ikonia> john__: your language was quite colourful
[11:08] <elky> john__, have you actually read the information in the /topic of #ubuntu?
[11:08] <john__> thank you
[11:08] <bazhang> yes twice in two days
[11:08] <john__> what
[11:08] <elky> !ettiquette
[11:08] <Myrtti> /me steps back, too many cooks, the water is getting muddled
[11:09] <john__> can you paste the log?
[11:09] <ikonia> Myrtti: I think there is more history than the conversation you are currently discussing
[11:09] <ikonia> Myrtti: hence why I mention it
[11:09] <john__> paste the log
[11:10] <Myrtti> ikonia: and that's why I thanked you
[11:10] <john__> i want to see what is being discussed rather than be unsure whether or not it is me
[11:10] <john__> pastebin
[11:10] <ikonia> john__: I've just check the IP's - it was you
[11:10] <elky> ikonia, time and date please?
[11:10] <ikonia> una-momento
[11:11] <ikonia> 10:56 BST yesterday
[11:11]  * john__ sighs
[11:11] <john__> use pastebin
[11:11] <john__> an
[11:11] <john__> d
[11:11] <john__> oops
[11:11] <john__>  sorr
[11:11] <john__> y
[11:11] <john__> key
[11:11] <john__> baord
[11:11] <john__> brb
[11:11] <john__> okay sorry about that, keyboard acting up
[11:12] <bazhang> clearly the same individual
[11:12] <john__> okay can i SEE the logs?
[11:13] <elky> john__, sure. irclogs.ubuntu.com
[11:13] <elky> ikonia, is bst=utc atm or no?
[11:13] <stdin> elky: bst is utc+1
[11:14] <john__> can i have a direct link
[11:14] <john__> i'm looking
[11:14] <elky> john__, i've only just found it myself
[11:14] <john__> oh
[11:15] <john__> can i have the link? hard to find me :(
[11:15] <ikonia> elky: 11:39 UTC
[11:15] <ikonia> elky: log time
[11:15] <john__> found it
[11:15] <ikonia> 2008/06/03
[11:15] <ikonia> the whole conversation starts at 5:30 - and drags on due to not listening until 11:39
[11:16] <ikonia> I saw part of it last night before popping out hence why I remember it
[11:16] <bazhang> I was the one recommending upgrading to dapper from 5.10
[11:16] <john__> i remember you
[11:16] <john__> yeah
[11:17] <john__> you're why i got dapper
[11:17] <john__> ....lol
[11:17] <john__> i hope you're not taling about what i said to the guy flooding
[11:18] <john__> are you?
[11:18] <elky> huh?
[11:18] <john__> and Myritti warned me too
[11:19] <john__> which i stopped then
[11:19] <john__> [07:12] <john_> SHUT THE FUCK UP, EWTJKLAS
[11:19] <john__> there
[11:19] <Myrtti> oy.
[11:19] <john__> someone named ewtjklas was flooding
[11:19] <elky> john__, im also seeing you being extremely impatient. there's a 3 minute log where you ask the same question thrice
[11:20] <john__> cool
[11:20] <john__> well i'm not impatient
[11:20] <ikonia> john__: and you use that sort of language again later on, despite being warned
[11:20] <john__> paste
[11:20] <Myrtti> I'm seeing improvment
[11:20] <Myrtti> though
[11:20] <Myrtti> but...
[11:20] <elky> you then proceeded to be obnoxious for the next half hour
[11:20] <john__> ..
[11:20] <Myrtti> I'm not touching this
[11:20] <john__> too late
[11:20] <john__> oops
[11:21] <john__> k
[11:21] <john__> f
[11:21] <john__> e
[11:21] <bazhang> Jack should be in soon
[11:21] <john__> board b rb
[11:21] <john__> sorry my keyboard acts up
[11:21] <john__> enter key sticks
[11:21] <john__> i'm reading the log
[11:21] <Myrtti> mmmm, cookies
[11:22] <john__> [11:40] <john__> OKAY I'll get myself some god damn DAPPER, let me just get my last burned cd i was going to use for a ps1 game on my modded ps2. thanks. bye
[11:22] <john__> [11:40] <thefish> john__, not a bad idea...
[11:22] <elky> so am i... and im not impressed. you're acting like an 8yrold who's just learned the naughty words in these logs
[11:22] <john__> just so you know i bought some cds today
[11:23] <john__> and you're acting like you're talking to a child
[11:23] <bazhang> and something about punching a midget
[11:23] <john__> sure did
[11:23] <john__> why
[11:23] <john__> did i say the N word there?
[11:24] <john__> nah
[11:24] <elky> john__, well, as far as im concerned after reading these logs, you are a child.
[11:24] <john__> no
[11:25] <john__> i was in a pissy mood that day but that was it
[11:25] <bazhang> no need to type it
[11:25] <elky> please keep pissy moods out of ubuntu channels
[11:26] <john__> type what
[11:27] <bazhang> unpleasant language
[11:27] <john__> here?
[11:27] <john__> oh
[11:27] <john__> yeah
[11:27] <elky> bazhang means you shouldnt act out your bad mood on other people in the ubuntu channels
[11:27] <john__> i get what you mean
[11:27] <john__> i dont act them on other people
[11:27] <bazhang> we all get frustrated
[11:28] <john__> that's news to me
[11:28]  * john__ sighs
[11:28] <elky> john__, you *did* act the mood out though.
[11:28] <john__> apparently
[11:28] <john__> today i was in a better mood
[11:28] <john__> i said one word: "fucking"
[11:28] <john__> in a harmless sentence
[11:28] <john__> that was all
[11:29] <elky> you said that word more than once
[11:29] <john__> TODAY?
[11:29] <elky> you also need to stop talking in caps.
[11:29] <Daviey> john__: can you not see how "fucking" is unsuitable for a family friendly channel?
[11:29] <john__> YEAH I KNOW THAT
[11:29] <john__> OOPS
[11:29] <john__> STICKY
[11:29] <elky> you've got a very convenient stickyness
[11:29] <john__> yeah
[11:29] <Daviey> "in a harmless sentence" isn't seeing it..
[11:29] <john__> just a messed up keyboard
[11:30] <popey> i suggest you look at the screen before pressing enter
[11:30] <elky> stop hitting it so hard when you're typing, it'll help
[11:30] <john__> i dont hit it hard
[11:30] <john__> well
[11:30] <john__> actually i have to
[11:30] <john__> all the keys are pretty hard
[11:31] <john__> it feels like the keys are rubbing against eachother when they're just pretty close
[11:32] <john__> test
[11:33] <john__> well i wont be in the ircs here anyways much
[11:33] <john__> i'm guessing you'll raise the ban?
[11:33] <john__> for how long
[11:34] <bazhang> up to Jack really
[11:35] <john__> i did say the 'n' word here just so you know
[11:35] <john__> in a conversation
[11:36] <john__> not in a racial way (which you might think that if the most you've been on the internet is IRCs)
[11:36] <john__> since you might find it anyways just wanted to point it out
[11:37] <john__> Good bye you ircfags, I'm getting a PC and i'll play some fucking BATTLETOADS YEAH
[11:38] <popey> o_O
[11:39] <bazhang> talk about prescience
[11:39] <bazhang>  rude, non-diplomatic, uncivil numbskulls
[11:40] <elky> Myrtti, thanks for revoking that ban lift.
[11:40] <john__> i'm sorry about what i've done, i love you
[11:40] <john__> please
[11:41] <john__> just keep me unbanned til friday
[11:41] <john__> i have angerment issues and
[11:41] <john__> ohh
[11:41] <elky> sorry, you've ruined it.
[11:41] <john__> its happening
[11:41] <john__> niggers
[11:41] <john__> niggers
[11:41] <john__> niggersni
[11:41] <john__> ahh
[11:41] <john__> fuuuck
[11:41] <john__> help me
[11:41] <john__> helllppp
[11:41] <john__> meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:41] <elky> damn lag
[11:43] <Myrtti> elky: no prob
[11:43] <Seeker`> anyoen around that can deal with cloaks?
[11:43] <Myrtti> I had a feeling it would end up somewhere there immediately ikonia piped up
[11:43] <elky> yeah
[11:43] <ikonia> I just remembered him from last night
[11:43] <bazhang> member cloaks? :)
[11:43] <ikonia> he was just "a pain" when I was there, not offensive
[11:44] <elky> pain is an understatment judging from these logs
[11:44] <bazhang> my mistake not to ban earlier
[11:44] <elky> if he keeps doing that, upgrade that mute to a ban
[11:46] <Seeker`> bazhang: yes
[11:47] <bazhang> congrats Seeker` :)
[11:47] <Seeker`> bazhang: not for me
[11:47] <bazhang> oops sorry
[11:47] <Seeker`> hopefully someday though :P
[11:47] <bazhang> should be :)
[11:47] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-irc
[11:47] <Seeker`> glade88 joined here yesterdaey and was told to go to #ubuntu-irc
[11:48] <ikonia> he's keen as mustard
[11:48] <Myrtti> well, it's the correct place
[11:48] <Seeker`> who can actually do the cloaks?
[11:48] <Myrtti> I don't have a cloak yet either
[11:48] <Myrtti> it's all up to being added to the correct launchpad group first
[11:48] <elky> Myrtti, you're a member finally?
[11:49] <Myrtti> after that it the cloaking can be done
[11:49] <Myrtti> yup
[11:49] <Seeker`> but who actually applies the cloaks?
[11:49] <Myrtti> since tuesday night
[11:49] <bazhang> as is Pi-ci :)
[11:49]  * elky hugs and cheers Myrtti
[11:49] <elky> Seeker`, staff.
[11:49] <Myrtti> I harass pri.cey
[11:49] <elky> bazhang, yes, i cheered pi-ci on the wya out the door yesterday(?)
[11:50] <Myrtti> elky: and it was my turn right after him :->
[11:50] <bazhang> so sorry I missed the meeting Myrtti
[11:50] <bazhang> got my times confoozled
[11:50] <Myrtti> no prob :-)
[11:50] <elky> Myrtti, i was literally out the door 5 seconds afer i cheered him
[11:50] <Myrtti> I guessed, elky :->
[11:50] <bazhang> elky, hard to keep track of times these days :)
[11:51] <bazhang> DVSof922 (n=DVSoftwa@delta529.server4you.de) has joined #ubuntu bot?
[11:51] <bazhang> there are two other with very similar name/numbers
[11:51] <Myrtti> not necessarily
[11:52] <bazhang> DVSof766 (n=DVSoftwa@delta529.server4you.de) has joined #ubuntu also and one more
[11:52] <elky> bazhang, well yes, and apparantly it's also hard for the tellers at my local train station to know which station they're at. i got sold a weekly ticket that had neither my origin or destination wrong, and because i was running to catch the train didnt find out until i couldnt get through the gates at the other end
[11:53] <bazhang> elky, oh my goodness that sounds awful
[11:53] <elky> that kinda killed my day
[11:53] <Myrtti> oookiiiess
[11:53] <Myrtti> john__ is trying to dcc s.end me stuff
[11:53] <Myrtti> was, actually
[11:53] <elky> bazhang, if you ever come to sydney, dont depend on trains in peak hour.
[11:53] <Myrtti> to the wrong port too
[11:54] <bazhang> elky, thanks for the tip; not that far away (Taiwan)
[11:54] <elky> the one after the one i got sardined into was cancelled totally
[11:55] <elky> heh. the sardining was worse this morning
[11:55] <bazhang> wow sounds like tokyo
[11:55] <elky> someone literally blurted 'this is as bad as the tokyo system'
[11:55] <bazhang> haha
[11:56] <Myrtti> now he's pm'ing me
[11:56] <elky> i had to respond 'no, they have decent coverage'
[11:56] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[11:56] <ikonia> he's join #xubuntu now
[11:56] <ikonia> just parted
[11:56] <Myrtti> noticed
[11:56] <Myrtti> left after you joined
[11:56] <ikonia> oooh you where there
[11:56] <ikonia> sorry, didn't see you
[11:57] <elky> bazhang, go to cityrail.info and see our system. i go from west ryde to st leonards each day.
[11:57] <Myrtti> cody gave me ops there the other day
[11:57] <ikonia> handy
[11:57] <ikonia> ahh now I'm getting pm's from him. Just putting him on ignore
[11:57] <Myrtti> I volunteered since I'm there already
[11:58] <ikonia> Myrtti: incoming pm's from him
[11:58] <ikonia> abused me then said I'll do Myrtti next
[11:58] <Myrtti> ikonia: [10:56] <+Myrtti> now he's pm'ing me
[11:58] <ikonia> abuse is harsh word actually rambled rubbish at me is more realistic
[11:59] <ikonia> oh, I missed that
[11:59] <elky> heh
[11:59] <Myrtti> [10:50] [freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0
[11:59] <Myrtti> that's from him too
[11:59] <ikonia> yeah I saw the dcc
[11:59] <bazhang> wow elky that is a seriously long trek; like 18 stations or something
[12:00] <elky> bazhang, yeah, going northways is longer i think
[12:00] <elky> i dunno, it's just 'easier' to go through central since i can get on and of at any point along the way
[12:01] <elky> nay, more convenient is probably the phrase im looking for
[12:01] <bazhang> heh
[12:02] <elky> see, a weekly ticket is $36 for 7 days unlimited between the two stations. at $9.80 or so a trip if bought individually. i sometimes go central-ish on a weekend too
[12:02] <elky> theoretically, i could go either north or south
[12:03] <bazhang> that's quite cheap compared to here
[12:03] <Seeker`> How much are $ in £?
[12:03] <ikonia> 1.7
[12:03] <elky> Seeker`, xe.com :Þ
[12:04] <Seeker`> its AUS $?
[12:04] <elky> yep
[12:04] <ikonia> 3
[12:05] <Seeker`> $2 = £1
[12:05] <elky> it's definately a crapload cheaper than fuel on top of parking costs
[12:06] <Seeker`> elky: how much do you pay for fuel?
[12:06] <elky> and it forces me to walk a few extra blocks. whoopdido
[12:06] <elky> Seeker`, it bounces between au$1.47 and au$1.55 where i live
[12:06] <elky> depending on the day of the week
[12:07] <Seeker`> we are currently paying £1.20 ish
[12:07] <elky> yesterday was cheap tuesday, it'll be firstborn by friday
[12:07] <Daviey> Seeker`: JFGI :) - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=10+AUD+to+GBP&btnG=Search&meta=
[12:07] <elky> Seeker`, a litre or a gallon?
[12:07] <elky> we're /L
[12:08] <Seeker`> litre
[12:08] <Myrtti> We're paying 1,59€
[12:08] <Myrtti> or was it more
[12:09] <Daviey> Myrtti: ours is about the same :(
[12:09] <Seeker`> I think that 57p/L comes from tax though
[12:09] <Myrtti> Daviey: per liter?
[12:09] <Daviey> Myrtti: yeah
[12:10] <Myrtti> I wouldn't mind it being higher. Bicycles ftw
[12:10] <Daviey> Myrtti: seen it up to 1.65€ per/L
[12:10] <elky> what are the yanks paying now?
[12:11] <Seeker`> $0.02?
[12:11] <bazhang> $4?
[12:12] <Seeker`> bazhang: thats per gallon
[12:12] <elky> just for kicks and giggles
[12:12] <bazhang> Seeker`, aye; not sure of the conversion there
[12:13] <Seeker`> bazhang: $3.79 a US gallon isn't unreasonable, which is equal to $1/litre
[12:13] <Seeker`> which is about £0.50/litre
[12:13] <bazhang> cheers Seeker`
[12:13] <Seeker`> (1 US Gallon = 3.79 litres, roughly)
[12:14] <bazhang> aha
[12:14] <Seeker`> but then again, american cars tend to have 10 litre engines
[12:14] <Myrtti> idiotic
[12:15] <elky> this really isnt the right place to be having this discussion anyway
[12:17] <Myrtti> :-D
[12:17] <Myrtti> true
[12:17]  * elky eats more cake
[12:18] <Myrtti> mm cookies
[12:20] <gnomefreak> 10 litre == 17/18 gallon?
[12:21] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: 2.6 gallons
[12:21] <Seeker`> US gallons that is
[12:22] <gnomefreak> thanks
[12:23] <elky> google calculator ftw
[12:34]  * elkbuntu grins at pici
[12:34] <Pici> :)
[13:51] <Myrtti> [12:17] [freenode] ihateu [n=hate@gigas.cs.uoi.gr] requested CTCP VERSION from  <Myrtti>:
[13:52] <Myrtti> oh, I my slip was showing
[13:52] <Myrtti> why did no one say about it
[14:03] <elkbuntu> your what?
[14:04] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_(clothing)
[14:04] <Myrtti> ie. @-sign
[14:04] <Myrtti> greets from jussi01, he sent me an SMS, he's in Amsterdam in a confrence
[14:05] <elkbuntu> right, and we were supposed to tell you how?
[14:05] <elkbuntu> :Þ
[14:05] <elkbuntu> get jussi01 to hunt down seveas :D
[14:06] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: ie. @-sign ;-)
[14:06] <ikonia> Myrtti: I got the ctp too
[14:06] <Myrtti> now where was I
[14:06] <ikonia> 12:38 ihateu [n=hate@gigas.cs.uoi.gr] requested CTCP VERSION from ikonia:
[14:06] <Myrtti> weird
[14:06] <ikonia> bit after you though
[14:07] <ikonia> Myrtti: did he respond to your question ?
[14:08] <Myrtti> no
[14:08] <Myrtti> he's said nothing since joining at [11:53] *** ihateu (ihateU) [n=hate@gigas.cs.uoi.gr] has joined #ubuntu
[14:09] <ikonia> nothing in ##linux either
[14:10] <elkbuntu> ninite
[14:10] <Seeker`> nn
[14:10] <Myrtti> nn
[14:11] <ikonia> night
[14:19] <Daviey>  DCC CHAT from ciprian_topala [79.112.68.150 port 60145]
[14:20] <Seeker`> Daviey: you're popular!
[14:20] <Myrtti> he quit already though
[15:32] <Myrtti> !awn
[15:32] <Myrtti> @login
[15:33] <Myrtti> awn =~ s/,//g
[15:33] <jrib>  !awn =~ s/,//g
[15:33] <Myrtti> !awn ~= s/,//g
[15:33] <jrib> !awn =~ s/,//
[15:33] <jrib> !awn
[15:33] <jrib> !awn =~ s/  / /
[15:33] <Myrtti> !awn ~= /  / /
[15:34] <jrib> :)
[15:34] <Myrtti> damn, I'm lagging
[15:34] <jrib> !awn
[15:34] <Myrtti> !awn
[15:34] <Myrtti> haha
[15:34] <Myrtti> !awn ~= /  / /
[15:34] <Myrtti> !awn ~= /  / /
[15:34] <Myrtti> !awn
[15:35] <Myrtti> !awn ~= /  / /
[15:35] <Myrtti> !awn
[15:35]  * jrib high-fives Myrtti
[15:35] <Myrtti> !awn ~= /linux/Linux/
[15:36] <Myrtti> _o/\o_
[15:36] <Myrtti> I'd still move things around in it
[15:37] <Myrtti> the homepage part seems to be in the wrong place.
[15:37] <Myrtti> or it feels like it
[17:02] <nalioth> i have placed ubot3 in #ubuntu-ni  Myrtti Seeker` PriceChild elkbuntu elky_work
[17:03] <Seeker`> ok
[17:04] <Myrtti> ok
[17:54] <Myrtti> question
[17:55] <Myrtti> since I know nothing, take this as such
[17:55] <Myrtti> how different is eeexubuntu from xubuntu, and do we support eeexubuntu?
[17:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Good question..
[17:57] <Jack_Sparrow> He didnt seem to be listening to our advice anyhow..
[17:57] <nalioth> Myrtti: we do not support eeexubuntu officially
[17:58] <Myrtti> if someone would ask how to get mp3's to work in eeexubuntu, would medibuntu work?
[17:58] <nalioth> Myrtti: i suspect all of the factoids will fit
[17:59] <Myrtti> basically it's just a special kernel?
[17:59] <Jack_Sparrow> He insisted he added medi.. but his sources list didnt reflect that
[17:59] <Seeker`> I dont see that suggesting something like medibuntu would harm their system
[18:00] <nalioth> linux is linux
[18:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Withe the channel being that slow, I dont see any harm in trying to help, as long as we give them a disclaimer
[18:44] <Pici> !opsnack | Jack_Sparrow
[18:44] <Jack_Sparrow> :) HI pici
[18:45] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Its crazy in there
[18:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Can we make it Pecans.. I am alergic to Peanuts
[18:45] <Pici> Sure
[18:45] <Myrtti> @login
[18:45] <Jack_Sparrow> It isnt that bad.. we have seen way worse
[18:46] <Myrtti> !opsnack =~ /Peanuts/Raisins/
[18:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Gasping for breath.. help
[18:46] <Myrtti> HTH HAND
[18:46] <Myrtti> you're allergic to raisins too?
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Nope.
[18:48] <Myrtti> !opsnack | Jack_Sparrow
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> bbl.. I need to take core of a few things
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> choc and almond butter
[18:48] <Jack_Sparrow> care
[18:48] <Pici> marizpan
[19:50] <nalioth> jpds: did you miss what i said in here?
[20:00] <Seeker`> anyone else had problems with the latest kernel update
[20:01] <Seeker`> I've heard that a few people may have had problems
[20:03] <Jack_Sparrow> I have heard of many .. mostly ati people.
[20:04] <Jack_Sparrow> I have updates locked down.. so I am fine here
[20:04] <PriceChild> i've rebooted fine, using intel stuff
[20:05] <Jack_Sparrow> p7zip
[20:05] <Jack_Sparrow> oops
[20:08] <Seeker`> any reports from Nvidia-new people?
[20:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Not that I have seen
[20:09]  * Seeker` wonders if he should risk it
[20:09] <PriceChild> Seeker`: there is bulletproof x now no?
[20:09] <Seeker`> PriceChild: it can be a pita to fix stuff :P
[20:13] <Myrtti> the latest kernel?
[20:13] <Myrtti> which is...
[20:13] <Myrtti> ?
[20:14] <Myrtti> I've got 2.6.24-18-generic
[20:14] <PriceChild> Myrtti: there is more to the versioning than that afaik
[20:14] <Myrtti> well I'm a blonde
[20:14] <Myrtti> please explain it to me as to such.
[20:14] <Myrtti> >___<
[20:15] <Seeker`> Myrtti: that is the version that is sitting waiting to be downloaded in my update manager
[20:15] <PriceChild> I think that is the up to date one though..
[20:15] <PriceChild> 2.6.24.18.20 is from security
[20:15] <PriceChild> i think i'm wrong about the versioning, once stable they bump that number too.. i don't know what i'm talking about :)
[20:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti What was the command to install medibuntu with the gpg key etc
[20:16] <Myrtti> !medibuntu
[20:16] <Myrtti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f
[20:21] <Seeker`> nalioth: any new son the logs webserver?
[20:26] <nalioth> Seeker`: i've asked dreamhost about why my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys isn't working and now i don't have _any_ access
[20:26] <Seeker`> wow, that sucks
[20:26] <nalioth> Seeker`: how much traffic to the log viewers run up?
[20:26] <Seeker`> nalioth: I have no idea
[20:27] <nalioth> Seeker`: the reason i ask is that i have a personal web server, but don't want to have my b/w shut off because someone is wgetting all the logs or w/e
[20:28] <Seeker`> that is understandable
[20:28] <Seeker`> I'd say it can probably wait until you get dreamhost sorted out
[20:29] <Seeker`> have they replied to you at all?
[20:32] <nalioth> they did, originally
[20:33]  * nalioth is still trying to get them to fix his shell access
[20:36] <anonymouspimp> Hi guys.
[20:36] <anonymouspimp> I have a comment/complaing
[20:37] <anonymouspimp> basically, the "offtopic" warning (or so I have been told) isn't really a warning
[20:37] <anonymouspimp> and is thus very unclear
[20:37] <anonymouspimp> I believe that a warning should be very clear.
[20:37] <anonymouspimp> That is all
[20:38] <Mez> Its information, not a warning .
[20:38] <ompaul> Mez, he gone
[20:38] <Mez> I know. I was just saying
[20:38]  * Mez whistles and hides
[20:38] <ompaul> Mez, iirc it used to be more verbose
[20:39] <ompaul> and actually say more than that and we thinned it down
[20:40] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[20:41] <jpds> nalioth: hmm? Sorry I've been off the net for two days; haven't had time to read backlog - just hilights
[20:41] <jpds> nalioth: oh, now I see, terribly sorry...
[20:45] <ompaulafk> !offtopic
[20:45] <ompaulafk> arrr
[20:45] <ompaulafk> fail
[20:46]  * jpds hugs ompaulafk 
[20:47] <ompaulafk> jpds, once upon a time
[20:47] <ompaulafk> I had several nicks and one nice staffer trimmed the collection they were all ompaul based
[20:47] <ompaulafk> and this is what I got left with
[20:47] <Seeker`> ompaulafk: and ompal?
[20:48] <Seeker`> dashkal: how can we help you?
[20:48] <ompaulafk> Seeker`, yeap I guess I should quit start again and get ompaul_ and drop the afk
[20:48] <ompaulafk> or somesuch
[20:48] <dashkal> Can you test me for the DCC exploit?  I think I got it
[20:48] <Seeker`> ompaulafk: quite possibly
[20:49] <PriceChild> dashkal: you aren't a known victim of the exploit?
[20:49] <Seeker`> dashkal: what makes you think you are vulnerable?
[20:49] <PriceChild> ompaul: what happenned?
[20:50] <dashkal> I was hit with it in #wowace
[20:50] <dashkal> Got told by a staffer to get it fixed
[20:50] <ompaul> dashkal, go to #ubuntu-read topic
[20:50] <dashkal> in there
[20:50] <PriceChild> dashkal: you're fine.
[20:50] <dashkal> it directed me here
[20:50] <dashkal> danke
[20:50] <PriceChild> ompaul: bots don't test unless you're on their list
[20:51] <dashkal> fair enough, and I was hit in #wowace, not #ubuntu so I wouldn't have made the list
[20:51] <ompaul> PriceChild, you can add people (at least I can ;-)
[20:51] <ompaul> )
[20:51] <PriceChild> i guess :)
[20:51] <Seeker`> dashkal: is there anything else we can help you with?
[20:51] <dashkal> Nope, that about does it, thank you for your help.
[20:51] <ompaul> PriceChild, pre history and I need to fix it I started off with a primary nick of afk
[20:52] <ompaul> PriceChild, it gets a little annoying
[20:52] <PriceChild> I've completely lost you I think..
[20:55] <ompaul> PriceChild, prepare for a pm from another me ;-)
[20:56] <ompaul> PriceChild, grab that pm please
[21:01] <ompaul> seeker done
[21:01] <ompaul> whoot rid of that bad nick
[21:13] <Seeker`> ompaul: :D
[21:26] <ikonia> evening
[21:26] <Seeker`> lo
[21:27] <ompaul> hi
[21:28]  * ompaul chases ikonia around with a kernel module
[21:28] <ompaul> :)
[21:33] <Myrtti> humdidumdi
[21:34] <ompaul> satonawall
[21:34] <Myrtti> I feel Jittery!
[21:35] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[21:41] <Myrtti> I realized that I might have a chance in social life!
[21:41] <Myrtti> woo
[21:42] <PriceChild> What is his name? 8-)
[21:43] <Seeker`> Myrtti: Is he a geek student?
[21:43] <Myrtti> ...
[21:43] <Myrtti> who?
[21:43] <Seeker`> your chance in a social life
[21:43] <Myrtti> no, I just applied for a Visa card yesterday
[21:44] <Myrtti> because I realized that if something should happen to my bike, I'd need to buy a new one
[21:44] <Seeker`> :O
[21:44] <Myrtti> and then I just realized that having a Visa might actually enable traveling to different places
[21:44] <Myrtti> like, Lugradio Live?
[21:44] <Myrtti> :-<
[21:44] <Seeker`> :O
[21:44] <Myrtti> s/</>/
[21:44] <Seeker`> just dont get yourself into too much debt
[21:45]  * Seeker` may be going to LRL
[21:45] <Myrtti> no, I'm calculating very very carefully
[21:45] <Seeker`> but I have to wait until the beginning of July so I know if I'm going to be free
[21:45] <Myrtti> first I'm trying the method called "whine about it to your boss"
[21:45] <Myrtti> :->
[21:46] <Myrtti> and you know what's best in LRL?
[21:46] <Seeker`> what?
[21:46] <Myrtti> it's *FULL* of Linux geeks.
[21:46] <Myrtti> /me drools
[21:46] <Seeker`> haha
[21:47] <Myrtti> if everything else fails, I could just stare at Jono :-P
[21:47] <Seeker`> heh
[21:47] <Myrtti> drool from a good distance away
[21:47] <Seeker`> well, I'm pretty sure PriceChild will be there :P
[21:48] <PriceChild> Hopefully
[21:48] <Myrtti> noticed so in Facebook
[21:48] <Myrtti> Mez also
[21:48] <PriceChild> in a shiny yellow tshirt
[21:48] <Myrtti> I wish my backups would move from disc to another a bit faster
[21:49] <PriceChild> Myrtti: looks like launchpad is being poked
[21:49] <Myrtti> oo
[21:50] <Myrtti> exiting!
[21:51] <PriceChild> Myrtti: so, anything I can do for you?
[21:55] <Myrtti> poke glade88, he's impatient as hell
[21:55] <Myrtti> msg'd me earlier today :-P
[21:55] <PriceChild> He's already been done.
[21:56] <Myrtti> joy
[21:57] <Myrtti> me, I'm in no hurry
[21:57] <ompaul> early start tomorrow cheers
[21:59] <Mez> PriceChild, I thought you were crew this year?
[21:59] <Mez> and Ill definately be there Myrtti
[21:59] <ikonia> drat, just missed ompaul
[21:59] <Myrtti> oh heck, my cpu is running at 80C
[21:59] <PriceChild> Mez: I am aren't I..?
[22:00] <Seeker`> Myrtti: what sort of CPU?
[22:00] <PriceChild> Mez: I've been sent the emails and things.
[22:00] <Myrtti> /me kills npviewer.bin
[22:01] <Myrtti> /me moves her thigh from blocking the cpu fan intake
[22:01] <Mez> PriceChild, ah, read the wrong nick - thought you said you might be there - twas Seeker`
[22:01] <Myrtti> Seeker`: ummm
[22:01] <Mez> PriceChild, we'll have matching shirts ;) :P
[22:02] <ikonia> Seeker`: I should be going with shevek
[22:02] <Myrtti>  Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+
[22:02] <Seeker`> ikonia: ?
[22:02] <ikonia> LRL
[22:02] <PriceChild> Mez: id better go home and change
[22:03] <Seeker`> ikonia: cool
[22:03] <Myrtti> back to healthy 56C
[22:03] <Seeker`> ikonia: I wont be in this part of the country then
[22:03] <ikonia> what a drag
[22:03] <Mez> PriceChild, hehe - I wanna see the design of the crew shirts so I can make a fake one ;) (with amusing modifications)
[22:04] <PriceChild> last year's were really nice
[22:04] <Mez> hehe - apparently
[22:04] <Mez> I still like my PHP Conference one best
[22:06]  * Pici prods PriceChild 
[22:07] <Seeker`> I would volunteer to help, but I cant be 100% sure I'll be going
[22:07] <Pici> pfft, php.
[22:08] <Mez> Pici, nothing wrong with PHP
[22:08] <Mez> it earns me moneys
[22:08] <PriceChild> Pici: hmm?
[22:08] <Myrtti> ♥ PHP It's the only language so far that I've liked the documentation enough to actually do something worthwhile and useful
[22:08] <Pici> PriceChild: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bnrubin :)
[22:09] <PriceChild> Pici: nice profile page 8-)
[22:09] <Mez> Myrtti, w00t :D PHP ftw :D
[22:09] <Pici> Actually, I was just looking for something to extend my P alliteration
[22:09] <PriceChild> hmm?
[22:09] <Myrtti> Mez: I wrote an CMS/blogging tool with it once
[22:10] <Myrtti> then I got bored and simply moved to using wordpress
[22:10] <Pici> PriceChild: Would you do the honor of cloaking me, sir?
[22:10] <PriceChild> Pici: sure
[22:10] <Mez> f**k me - I have 230 facebook friends.
[22:10] <Mez> and they're all people I know in person or through ubuntu
[22:10] <Pici> PriceChild: woo, thanks :)
[22:11] <PriceChild> Mez: i bet you sleep happy knowing that
[22:11]  * Seeker` is going to apply for membership
[22:11] <Myrtti> /me stabs epiphany, growls
[22:12] <Myrtti> :-o
[22:12] <Myrtti> claws-mail is flaking?
[22:12] <Mez> PriceChild, no - it scares me
[22:13] <Myrtti> IEAAA 81C
[22:13] <Myrtti> how on earht
[22:13] <Mez> I hate my boss: http://photos-802.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v236/33/27/557055802/n557055802_1133334_3831.jpg
[22:14] <Myrtti> DIE DIE DIE DIE KILL -9
[22:14] <Myrtti> /me jumps up and down on claws-mail
[22:14] <Myrtti> die you bastard die
[22:14] <Myrtti> loads were up to 4...
[22:15] <Seeker`> Myrtti: What are you doing to your poor computer? :'(
[22:15] <Myrtti> I dunno, claws just announced that couldn't authenticate to imap.gmail
[22:15] <Myrtti> then it flaked
[22:16] <Mez> Seeker`, she said - jumping up and down
[22:16] <Mez> Myrtti, thats gmail - it does it to me all the time
[22:16] <Mez> and evolution flakes horribly
[22:16] <Myrtti> I'd rather gnaw my arm off than use evolution
[22:17] <PriceChild> gmail has annoyed me lately
[22:17] <PriceChild> only just managed to download the all mail folder
[22:17] <PriceChild> i use it because it integrates with gnome
[22:17] <Myrtti> I got bruises the size of my palms on my knees after last company christmas party after falling on my knees praising my liberation from evolution-exchange plugin usage
[22:18]  * PriceChild resists
[22:18] <Myrtti> I hate that plugin even more than I hate yast
[22:18] <Myrtti> and that is said a lot
[22:18] <Seeker`> wow
[22:18] <Seeker`> thats impressive
[22:18] <Mez> Myrtti, I like it because it's the only client I've got so far that'll retrieve counts for all my IMAP folders of new messages without me having to goto each  folder and set an option
[22:19] <Mez> Myrtti, and yeah, Evo-Exchange sucks
[22:19]  * Mez HATES it
[22:19] <Myrtti> using evolution-exchange plugin allowed me to crash evolution just trying to write an email... starting to write an address to the To: field --> instant crash
[22:19] <Myrtti> !instantrimshot
[22:20] <Myrtti> Mez: claws-mail does just that
[22:21]  * Mez tries
[22:29] <Damien_33102> oh my god
[22:29] <Damien_33102> my roomate got me BANNED AGAIN!
[22:29] <Seeker`> Damien_33102: how can we help you?
[22:29] <Damien_33102> YES i was BANNED
[22:30] <Seeker`> how did your roommate manage to get you banned?
[22:30] <Damien_33102> my friend was drunk and decided to fuck around here and now i need help with a broadcom driver but nobody can hel pme
[22:30] <Damien_33102> because he came in here
[22:30] <Damien_33102> and he started pissing you off
[22:30] <Damien_33102> i get him to use linux and well
[22:30] <Damien_33102> he ruins my chances of support
[22:31] <Mez> !ohmy | Damien_33102
[22:31] <Damien_33102> im already gonna kick him out
[22:31] <Damien_33102> for drinking
[22:31] <Damien_33102> and messing with me while hes drunk
[22:32] <Damien_33102> plaese unban me i will make SURE he doesnt come in here
[22:33] <Mez> @btlogin
[22:33] <Seeker`> Damien_33102: How did he get to use your computer?
[22:33] <Damien_33102> sorry for my language but godddd what arghh
[22:33] <Damien_33102> i forgot to logout
[22:34] <Myrtti> "screensaver"
[22:34] <Damien_33102> and he took it as an opportunity
[22:34] <Damien_33102> to mess around with me
[22:34] <Myrtti> I've got a screensaver locking with password even in my desktop computer
[22:34] <Myrtti> and I live alone
[22:34] <Damien_33102> i already have to get FIVE of my friends on AIM to unblock me since i saved a log and he had fiv epeople block me its unfair
[22:34] <Mez> Damien_33102, what nick were yo using?u
[22:34] <Damien_33102> i have no idea
[22:34] <Damien_33102> not me
[22:35] <Damien_33102> him
[22:35] <Mez> hmm
[22:35]  * Mez reads logs
[22:35] <Damien_33102> omg hes so stupid
[22:35] <Seeker`> Damien_33102: what is your friends name?
[22:36] <Damien_33102> he didnt even cloze out xchat when he did this and he expect me to feel sorry
[22:36] <Damien_33102> james
[22:36] <Seeker`> and what is your name?
[22:36] <Damien_33102> he usually uses a name like "thugpimp" or something like a little wannabee but i dont think he did it here
[22:36] <Damien_33102> my names David
[22:36] <Seeker`> who is "John" then?
[22:37] <Damien_33102> my friend
[22:37] <Damien_33102> not james tho
[22:37] <PriceChild> and why do you use damien online?
[22:37] <Damien_33102> he doesnt use linux why
[22:37] <Mez> Damien_33102, you have a mac?
[22:37] <Damien_33102> i use damien cause its a cool name
[22:37] <Damien_33102> james does
[22:37] <Damien_33102> omg he was trying to be JOHN?
[22:37] <Damien_33102> has he done this before
[22:37] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[22:38] <Damien_33102> hes at class right now im rly gonna smash his computer
[22:39] <Damien_33102> because he messed with my friends too so its not only u guys
[22:39] <Mez> Damien_33102, do you ALWAYS use the nick you're on now?
[22:40] <Damien_33102> not always
[22:40] <Damien_33102> i have a one name i use everywhere but i dont like 2 share it
[22:40] <Mez> Damien_33102, put simply. We have no way of verifying your story.
[22:40] <Damien_33102> omg u have the logs of him!
[22:41] <Damien_33102> what more do u need?
[22:41] <Mez> Damien_33102, using YOUR IP address.
[22:41] <Damien_33102> duh
[22:41] <PriceChild> Damien_33102: What would you say if I suggested we knew you were the person who was on 9 hours ago?
[22:41] <Damien_33102> i would say you're crazy
[22:42] <Mez> I could for example, decide to remove everyone from the channel. and then blame someone else.
[22:42] <Damien_33102> why would i get myself banned
[22:42] <Damien_33102> tell me that
[22:42] <Mez> However, *I* and I alone am responsible for the actions that are made on the internet from my computer.
[22:42] <Damien_33102> ????
[22:43] <Mez> Damien_33102, I personally, believe you are the same person that was banned earlier.
[22:43] <Mez> Because the way you write is the same as the person that got banned.
[22:43] <Damien_33102> if u guys dont believe me dats fine
[22:43] <Damien_33102> cause i can always use a proxy
[22:43] <Mez> As we have no way to verify whether it *was* you, we can't unban
[22:43] <Damien_33102> what kind of wayz do u need to verify
[22:44] <Mez> Damien_33102, threats like that make it more likely that your ban will stay in place
[22:44] <Mez> plus, it is an offence to evade bans on freenode. Staff WILL be involved if you do so
[22:44] <Damien_33102> oh
[22:44] <Damien_33102> what threats
[22:44] <Mez> Damien_33102, there is no way to verify. As it came from your computer
[22:44] <Damien_33102> actually i cant use a proxy i tried
 if u guys dont believe me dats fine
 cause i can always use a proxy
[22:44] <Mez> those
[22:45] <Damien_33102> o yea
[22:45] <Mez> a threat to ban evade
[22:45] <Damien_33102> yeahh i wont use a proxy but im so mad
[22:45] <Seeker`> Damien_33102: It comes down to the fact that you are responsible for what happens on your computer
[22:45] <Mez> Damien_33102, I suggest you serve your term, and configure a screensaver password to stop future incidents
[22:45] <Damien_33102> and proxies dont work i tried it with here when a guy accidentally banned me
[22:45] <Damien_33102> o uh
[22:46] <Mez> Damien_33102, if it comes from your computer. We can only assume it is you.
[22:46] <Damien_33102> is there sumthing like "switch user" like windows?
[22:46] <Damien_33102> i used to use "switch user" alot to just keep everything open but not have people login
[22:46] <Mez> Damien_33102, do you use ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[22:46] <Damien_33102> how long is the ban? i can use a forum n stuff for now
[22:46] <Damien_33102> i use both actually
[22:47] <Damien_33102> i get old computers and install linux
[22:47] <Mez> Damien_33102, which do you use primarily?
[22:47] <Mez> as in - on the computer you're on now?
[22:47] <Damien_33102> yeah
[22:47] <Mez> either way - in your screensaver preferences - there is a "lock screen when screensaver starts" option
[22:47] <Damien_33102> this computer was an old school computer that a schoolgave to me a while back
[22:48] <Damien_33102> o so i have to wait for the screensaver?
[22:48] <Damien_33102> since i used to do that with windows ME
[22:48] <Mez> Damien_33102, that's not relevant. As I said serve
[22:48] <Seeker`> Damien_33102: ctrl + alt + L should lock the screen
[22:48] <Mez> your time, and add a screensaver lock
[22:48] <Damien_33102> ohhhhh
[22:48] <Damien_33102> thwats right theres a lock thing
[22:48] <Mez> Damien_33102, you can add a lock applet to your panel
[22:48] <Damien_33102> i'll do that thankss
[22:49] <Damien_33102> how long is the ban?
[22:49] <Mez> Damien_33102, I'd say the ban would be at LEAST a week, but thats up to the banning op to decide
[22:49] <Damien_33102> whos the op?
[22:49] <Mez> there were 3 ops involved
[22:50] <Myrtti> of which one just left
[22:50] <Mez> Come back in a week, and your ban will be reviewed then by whoevers available.
[22:50] <Damien_33102> oh okay
[22:50] <Damien_33102> is there any ircs u recommend
[22:50] <Damien_33102> incase i need some quick help while im banned
[22:50] <Mez> Anyone can unban, but in these circumstances (three issues in a short period of time) - a week would be acceptable in my books
[22:51] <Mez> Damien_33102, mailing lists or forums
[22:51] <Damien_33102> oh ok
[22:51] <Mez> we dont know of places outside freenode unfortunately
[22:51] <Damien_33102> thanks for ur time. he
[22:51] <Damien_33102> ohhhhh my goddd
[22:51] <Damien_33102> there are puke stains right by my desk eww
[22:51] <Myrtti> or we do, but can't recommend due to their lack of standards
[22:51] <Mez> Damien_33102, thanks for being understanding. I'll see you in #ubuntu in a week :D
[22:51] <Damien_33102> imma go thanks for yourt time :)
[22:52] <Mez> Damien_33102, that's not appropriate here - i suggest ##offtopic
[22:52] <Mez> (for puke stains)
[22:52] <Damien_33102> i know i just stepped in it lol sorry
[22:53] <Damien_33102> well bye imma go eat some chinese food and lock my computer this time :P
[22:53] <Mez> Damien_33102, see you in a week :D Can I ask that you leave here now - makes it easier for us to manage what's going on in here :)
[22:53] <Mez> ah
[22:53] <Mez> hehe
[22:53] <Mez> He was quite understanding.
[22:54] <Myrtti> I have to say though, the first guy didn't look drunk to me...
[22:54] <Mez> If he hasnt caused trouble in the next couple of days - any issues with me unbanning? his reasonable behaviour in here should be commended
[22:54] <Myrtti> ok for me
[22:54] <Myrtti> poke elky too though
[22:55]  * Mez gives elky a quick poke
[22:56] <Myrtti> I think my partitioner in my desktop machine has jammed
[22:57] <Myrtti> /me goes to kick the partitioner
[23:05]  * SportChick eyes Mez 
[23:06] <Myrtti> the damn thing is stuck at 47%
[23:06] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[23:09] <Mez> SportChick, what did I do ?
[23:13] <Myrtti> !prayer
[23:14] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[23:26] <SportChick> Mez: heh, nothing :) was looking at your comment to someone earlier, but didn't have time to read the whole log
[23:26] <Mez> SportChick, what was my comment?
[23:27] <Mez> the ban evasion is an offence and freenode staff will be involved one?
[23:27] <SportChick> Mez: yep
[23:28] <Myrtti> Thou shall not awake the sleeping **STAFF**, for thy life is puny and miniscule in their eyes!
[23:29] <Mez> SportChick, was I wrong there?
[23:29] <Seeker`> Myrtti: yeah, hilighting STAFF needlessly is a bad idea
[23:29] <Mez> hehe
[23:29] <Mez> freenode sta ff
[23:29] <Myrtti> /me hides
[23:30] <Myrtti> it was Mez who said it first
[23:30]  * Mez runs from na lioth and price child and oth ers
[23:30] <Myrtti> /me points at Mez
[23:30] <Myrtti> he went *THAT* way
[23:30]  * Mez glares
[23:31] <Myrtti> /me reads an announcment from the company intra about the summer day
[23:31] <Myrtti> "PS. Drowning without written permission is against the company policy and forbidden during the cruise."
[23:32] <Pici> buh? why does #ubuntu-chat exist, and why doesnt it forward to -offtopic?
[23:32] <Myrtti> huh?
[23:32] <jrib> Pici: +1
[23:32] <mneptok> Myrtti: file such a request and see if you get offered extra vacation time
[23:32] <jrib> it's owned by the council
[23:32] <SportChick> Mez: it wasn't a problematic highlight - was just checking in to see if you needed anything
[23:33] <Myrtti> mneptok: I was going to ask if there are applications, I might want to fill one up for the Jackass of Relationships and Nerdom
[23:34] <Myrtti> then I could shove him to the sea without consequences
[23:34] <mneptok> except angry cod.
[23:34] <Myrtti> true
[23:34] <Myrtti> herring, rather
[23:34] <Myrtti> I don't know if Baltic Sea has cod
[23:35] <mneptok> their bad mood would taint their flesh, thus ruining the taste of lutefisk.
[23:35] <Mez> SportChick, no, was dealt with quite well actually
[23:35] <Myrtti> I don't do lutefisk :-<
[23:35] <mneptok> Myrtti: sane people don't
[23:35] <Myrtti> but fishfingers are nice
[23:36] <mneptok> thus the "ruin the taste of..." ;)
[23:36] <Pici> fish dont have fings
[23:36] <Pici> or fingers
[23:36] <SportChick> Mez: I have no doubt
[23:36] <Myrtti> according to Finnish Wikipedia, the Common Ling (!) has replaced cod in making of lutefisk in Finland
[23:38] <SportChick> Mez: tossed you a query, btw (hope you don't mind)
[23:42] <elky_work> Mez: was on a train, sorry
[23:43] <Mez> SportChick, I dont mind people querying me :D ever.
[23:43] <Mez> I can always block
[23:43] <Myrtti> /me networks
[23:44]  * SportChick hugs Mez 
[23:44] <SportChick> hiya elky_work
[23:45] <Mez> elky_work, you got backlog/
[23:51] <elky_work> reading now
[23:51] <Myrtti> /me yawns, notes it's way too late
[23:52] <elky_work> and of course the first thing you do after stepping in puke is to think about eating chinese food...
[23:52] <mneptok> Myrtti: you know Zak?
[23:52] <Myrtti> mneptok: I've talked to him a bit
[23:52] <mneptok> ah, okee.
[23:53] <Myrtti> he was a presenter at Mindtrek last year
[23:53] <Myrtti> of which I was organizing
[23:53] <elky_work> Mez: sorry dude, but they are so the same person
[23:53] <mneptok> ah yes. so he was.
[23:53] <mneptok> and he's been in Suomi a few times for MySQL work with Monty.
[23:54] <Mez> elky_work, oh, I agree.
[23:54] <Seeker`> elky_work: thats not surprising :P
[23:54] <Myrtti> monty was funny, I was going to set him up with the mic and didn't realize who I was talking to and started with English
[23:54] <Mez> but - he handled that graciously. I'm happy to remove on Friday and not tell him
[23:54] <Mez> and make it a perma-ban if it happens again
[23:55] <elky_work> i'd wait until saturday when there's more people around to deal with him
[23:55] <Myrtti> I almost dropped my jaw when I realized he was speaking Finnish (although with a swedish accent)
[23:55] <mneptok> Myrtti: his english is excellent, as you found out. :)
[23:55] <Myrtti> yes, it is
[23:56] <Myrtti> better than most of us Finns
[23:56]  * mneptok flashes some Swedish-Fin gang signs
[23:56] <mneptok> +n
[23:59] <Myrtti> you?