[00:00] apachelogger: hm, I just did a debdiff between knetfilter_0.5.3-1ubuntu3 and knetfilter_0.5.3-1.1ubuntu1 [00:03] Serega: so either you didn't change anything, debdiff is buggy or the paste ate it [00:03] apachelogger: paste is intact to debdiff [00:04] I have really changed nothing except changelog [00:04] well [00:04] and sync config.* from debian [00:04] so maybe everything was applied in debian? [00:04] well [00:04] * apachelogger checks [00:04] only qt3-compat dependecy removing wars applied in debian [00:05] s/wars/was [00:07] s/dependecy/dependency [00:08] ah [00:08] indeed [00:08] Serega: you didn't merge quite some stuff [00:09] Serega: you get the debdiff from the dscs, right? [00:09] aha [00:09] apachelogger: isn't it right? [00:11] Serega: yeah, but that means your merge is super incomplete ;-) [00:11] doh! :) [00:11] though [00:11] hold on [00:11] maybe Iam confusing something here [00:11] it's later [00:12] apachelogger: so what is the product of a merge? [00:13] oh [00:13] kay [00:13] Serega: me being stupid is the product ;-) [00:13] though [00:14] nah [00:14] all good :) [00:14] apachelogger: :))) [00:14] rly? [00:14] Serega: yeah, but I hope you don't mind if I upload in ~12 hours [00:14] I don't trust myself at this time [00:15] apachelogger: oh, you even will upload it for me?! I would appreciate this [00:16] Serega: sure, just keep on merging ;-) [00:16] apachelogger: please poke me if you find something tomorrow, I must know if fail [00:16] sure [00:16] apachelogger: thank you for helping [00:17] * Serega honks "Yeeeehaaaa!" and goes to dear MoM [00:17] thank you for contributing :) [00:18] thank you all for great OS :) [00:18] * Serega hugs all [00:19] all hugs Serega [00:20] * Serega blushes and feels the power [00:20] how can I get that nobody does merging for e.g. kpowersave? [00:20] *can I know [00:21] * Serega is half-sleeping [00:21] **nodoby IS merging === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [00:22] Serega: at least allways check if there is a merging bug for the package [00:24] a|wen: how can I check this? [00:25] Serega: go to the bug reports for the package in LP ... check that no bug exists that says "please merge..." (or something like that) with a debdiff attached [00:25] ouch: kdeutils-kde4: Depends: kdf-kde4 (>= 4:4.0.80-1ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1) but 4:4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy1 is installed [00:26] dist-upgrade fails [00:27] * mhb is back for a while [00:28] still not very happy, though [00:28] * Serega runs across his apartment in panic [00:29] hm [00:29] Serega: get a cup o tea [00:30] In fact, several of the events in the recent past (jockey-kde4 porting not mentioned in the release notes, my name not coming up at the UDS session) indicate that my contributions arent really appreciated much. [00:30] mhb: IIRC your name did come up during the UDS session, but failed to get written down by accident. [00:31] mhb: I certainly appreciate your contributions very much. [00:31] mhb: keep up the great work [00:32] I may just be burnt out or something, but I really keep wondering if I should do something else this summer or not. [00:32] Do something noticable, perhaps outside the scope of the software engineering, I dont know. [00:32] a|wen: you dont even know me :o) [00:33] mhb: I think it's clear to everyone who spends time here that your contributions are quite worthwhile and a big boost for Kubuntu. [00:33] mhb: Everyone needs a break sometimes. There's nothing wrong with that. Just please send me that klamav patch before you take it. [00:34] * a|wen often skims his irc-logs of this channel ... and has seen mhb mentioned/talking some time [00:34] ScottK: right, I have to redo that. [00:35] mhb: No trouble as long as I get it in the next couple of weeks. Debian is starting to freeze up for Lenny and I want to make sure it gets in. [00:35] mhb: i've been mostly focused on kde3 for hardy... so that's why your work hasn't really been that visible; but it's a good leap for kde4 in intrepid [00:41] I really don't know. I'll see how I feel about all this in the morning. === a|wen changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs | Back to merging! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams [00:42] mhb: you contributed a lot at UDS, I'm very glad you came [00:42] Riddell: it worked :) [00:43] mhb: alas jockey isn't that exciting to users compared to restricted-manager currently (was it mentioned in the ubuntu desktop release announcement? I don't remember) [00:43] right, it wasn't [00:44] still, I'd be quiet if I got paid for that work, like pitti did at the Ubuntu side... but doing it for free, appreciation is the only reward I get, or do not get [00:45] on the kubuntu council we already have three packagers/coders which is why I tended towards people in other areas [00:46] no problem. You had to pick someone. [00:46] I [00:47] I am happy with the folks, but then again, you can't make it not personal, at least not from my point of view :o) [00:47] appreciation is certainly important, if some work gets missed out from acknowledgements it's never intentional and nobody should be afraid to ask for it when that happens [00:48] that's no appreciation if you are the one who thanks yourself [00:49] mhb: I can see that, but mistakes also happen. [00:50] being missed out is exactly what discourages me [00:50] one way of solving that is telling you my opinion, like I do now [00:50] it's another reason why the monthly reports are handy [00:50] g'night people ... getting much to late here [00:51] right, good night a|wen [00:51] mhb: I have given you cookies in release notes before :) you are the coding hero around here with stuff like jockey, gdebi, and I am sure there is something I missed :) [00:51] the other way is switching to stuff that actually gets noticed [00:51] Riddell: you better book a 2-hour spot for the next meeting too ;) [00:51] mhb: please do not become a stripper! [00:51] Riddell, i gotta leave for a while... remember im up for helping on the website!~ [00:52] nixternal, cya! [00:52] ryanakca: ^^ [00:52] later [00:52] ryanakca, ye nixternal toldme to contact him/her~ [00:52] baba [00:53] yuppi, I'm on KDE4.devel! thanks for packages! =) [00:54] Nightrose: added you to ~kubuntu-members, your @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org e-mails should start working in a couple of days. you can add yourself to planet ubuntu whenever you like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PlanetUbuntu [00:54] Riddell: thx :) will do [00:54] Riddell: Hi, could you poke the sysadmins again tomorrow please? (probably won't help, but it's worth a try?) It has been over a month... [00:54] ryanakca: yes, I will [00:54] Riddell: thanks :) [00:55] mhb: is there anything you would like to work on during the summer? [00:55] Nightrose: I had some ideas, but not at this point [00:55] i see [00:56] mhb: if you need someone to bounce of some ideas feel free to do so :) [00:57] it was stuff like porting some guidance modules to KDE4, which is the same thing I did for jockey, with little aprreciation [00:57] which could be easily changed by stuff like the team reports [00:57] right, the equivalent of thanking myself [00:58] * Nightrose doesn't see it that way... [00:58] and there are release notes and the planet for example [00:58] one just has to be more vocal about stuff like this [00:59] and you have done good work with jokey and co - no need to hide that [00:59] Nightrose: you sound like I haven't blogged about the jockey kde4 port [00:59] I have [00:59] yes he did [00:59] hmm must have missed that then - sorry [00:59] which is more or less my point [00:59] probably got lost in one of my "mark all as read" sprees ;-) [01:00] people missed the stuff I did [01:00] and if you have no appreication, and you don't do the stuff for yourself, why do you do it? [01:00] I can't seem to find an answer to that. [01:01] becuase its fun to do just for the sake of doing it? [01:01] as I said the "no appreciation" part can be changed [01:01] Nightrose: how? [01:01] cookies are certainly not enough [01:01] still [01:01] mhb: thank you for your work [01:02] * apachelogger hands mhb a cookie and a glass of milk [01:02] Nightrose: I could tell you that I don't feel appreciated, but then your answers aren't really sincere, you know [01:02] mhb: working display config tools will be greatly appreciated by all [01:02] apachelogger: for one thing the release notes in which he feels under represented I think [01:02] mhb: sorry? does not parse :/ [01:03] you're telling me that you appreciate it because I want to hear it, not because you actually appreciate it [01:03] that's one way to fix this [01:03] but it's more like lying to yourself about it [01:03] * Nightrose <- isn't important anyway ;-) [01:03] but really [01:03] there are _a lot_ of people who appreciate jokey [01:04] none of them ever told me that [01:04] and might not even realicse how much work went into it [01:04] right. [01:04] and still appreciate having a tool like that [01:04] so I better find a hobby that makes people appreciate what I do. [01:04] my girlfriend does, means her wifi works [01:04] right [01:05] hm, my ex bf does as well [01:05] heh [01:05] nosrednaekim: unfortunately, porting applications is very much the opposite of fun [01:05] nosrednaekim: solving problems is fun [01:05] this is just boring office work [01:05] mhb: the thing is, people don't run around on IRC thanking people [01:06] apachelogger: right, and they don't write you emails, and they don't tell you that in person [01:06] s/you/me/ [01:07] well, that doesn't mean they don't appreciate it [01:07] mhb: you have to get a different point of view on that - a lot of people have restricted hardware, usually they might want to use it [01:07] the ISO testing team has the same issue, it's an important but thankless task, and people lose interest all too fast [01:07] so they use jockey [01:08] mhb: which means for example about every laptop user with boardcom chip does appreciate your work [01:08] and we all know that stupid B company has far too many chips in the market [01:08] yeah, well [01:08] Riddell: any reason you left karm out of the kdepim package? [01:08] whenever I go to a local Ubuntu meeting I keep listening to people that complain about Kubuntu [01:09] that doesn't help much either [01:09] yeah [01:09] very true [01:09] but IMO there is only one solution, make kubuntu better [01:09] or just give up [01:09] well [01:09] giving up doesn't satisfy all that much [01:09] Hobbsee did that, no wonder [01:10] ahh, Riddell nevermind, ktimetracker replaces karm [01:10] nixternal: it's been replaced, don't know why it's still there [01:12] mhb: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/06/something-i-always-wanted-to-blog-about.html [01:12] I've read that. [01:13] it always goes way down to personal issues [01:13] had I been really happy at the moment, I would actually not mind people noticing what I do here [01:13] people not noticing [01:15] but being really alone at this moment, I feel that I should impress people in order for them to like me and me not feeling alone anymore - and unfortunately, doing any Kubuntu coding is not going to make people notice me [01:17] Nightrose: what do we do about that? [01:17] apachelogger: flashhug mhb like they did Daniel at UDS ;-) [01:18] there's nobody among these ten million people that actually knows what I'm doing for Kubuntu [01:18] mhb: I am very sure you got a wrong impression there [01:18] * Nightrose hugs mhb [01:19] in the end most of the people around me tell me phrases like "get away from the computer more often, do normal things" [01:19] hinting that I only waste time [01:19] which is generally a good thing (TM) [01:19] mhb: I get that too [01:19] cause once you feel more balanced and relaxed you can focus again on things you like at kubuntu [01:20] right, if that ever happens [01:20] it will [01:20] I'm not seeing that coming in the next two years. [01:22] time for bed [01:22] * Riddell hugs mhb [01:22] anyway, good night [01:22] * yuriy turns on the penguins [01:22] good night Riddell [01:22] nini mhb [01:22] see you soon [01:29] nixternal: could you help me with the 4.0.5 packaging? [01:29] i'm here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16996/ [01:30] yuriy: those all look fine to ignore [01:30] what do they mean? [01:30] all_languages isn't wanted [01:30] the rest are manpages which aren't too important, you can add them if you want [01:30] cmake-modules-styleguide.txt is documentation, so same as the manpages [01:31] isn't wanted? does that mean that warning is good? [01:31] see debian/not-installed [01:32] ah I see, the man pages are there too [01:32] which also tells me the manpages are installed by kdelibs5-data.manpages, so no problems there [01:32] so, you're sorted [01:32] install the .debs [01:32] so just the cmake styleguide which is not important? [01:33] yep [01:33] check that a KDE 4 app still works [01:33] debuild -S [01:33] so install the debs, test, (it should be compatible with 4.0.4) ok will do [01:33] then what do i need to send and where? [01:33] then add kubuntu-updates-testing to ~/.dput.cf [01:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/17044/ [01:34] oh is that what that team is for? is this going to be like a proposed for backports? [01:34] yes [01:34] I can move it to backports once it has compiled in that PPA [01:35] debuild -S -sa you need [01:35] that makes a foo_source.changes file with the three files that need to be uploaded [01:35] dput kubuntu-updates-testing foo_source.changes [01:35] and you're done [01:35] what is -sa? [01:36] coulnd't find it in man debuild [01:36] source always, it makes it includes the .orig file in the upload [01:36] ah [01:36] needed for uploading new upstream versions [01:36] so first i need to bunzip/rename/gzip the original source? [01:36] yes [01:37] make it kde4libs_4.0.80.orig.tar.gz [01:37] hmm? 4.0.5 [01:37] oh, yes [01:37] well spotted :) [01:37] make sure your changelog entry says "hardy" in the distro bit [01:38] not hardy-backports? [01:38] check the .changes file before dput'ing it, make sure it lists all three files (.diff.gz, .orig, .dsc) [01:38] no, just hardy for the ppa [01:39] * Riddell really sleeps [01:40] night Riddell [01:42] * Nightrose snoozes [01:44] nosrednaekim: Do you know where to put the files for the python plasmoid example to install them? [01:44] Someone tell awen I uploaded kde-guidance when you see him. [01:45] JontheEchidna: can't you just do "add applet" from plasma and point it to the .desktop? [01:45] ah, I haven't tried that [01:45] so I don't have to put the .py or the .desktop anywhere special? [01:48] So I go to the "Add Widgets" dialog and chose "Install New Widgets -> from file" [01:48] the desktop file doesn't show up in the file dialog [01:49] * JontheEchidna thinks he's doing it wrong [01:50] hum [01:50] do you have the python bindings installed? [01:51] which package is that? [01:52] I don't think it was built actually:P [01:52] whee [01:52] it would be python-kde4 [01:52] I think [01:53] oh, it does exist [01:53] will it matter if python-kde4 is only at 4.0.3? [01:53] yes... it will [01:53] frack [01:53] since that never got plasmoid support anyway [01:55] So is python-kde4 an official part of kde/ if so what module does it reside in? [01:56] o, it's PyKDE4 [01:56] kdebindings [01:56] thanks, I suppose I'll download the source and build that [01:59] gah, I hate it how xarchiver always segfaults on tar.gz/bz2 files [02:02] now isn't that lovely, ark goes and dumps all the files into a single fscking directory [02:03] :P [02:08] JontheEchidna: tar xzf/xjf, then fix ark [02:11] Would someone please teach kdelibs5-dev to not stomp on kdelibs4-dev's files? [02:16] yuriy: Thanks for the tip [02:16] why must all these archive managers be so bullshitty? :( [02:18] prefer cows? [02:20] :P [02:20] silly VM [02:21] crap I was working off the wrong version for kdelibs [02:24] ok i'm confused, I made a ~hardy3 which I thought went into backports, but apt-get source from my mirror gets me ~hardy2 and packages.ubuntu.com says it's at ~hardy1 === jjesse_ is now known as jjeses === jjeses is now known as jjesse [02:24] !info kde4libs hardy-backports [02:24] Package kde4libs does not exist in hardy [02:24] !info kde4libs-bin hardy-backports [02:25] kde4libs-bin (source: kde4libs): binaries for all the KDE 4 core applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-0ubuntu5.2 (hardy), package size 367 kB, installed size 1332 kB [02:31] Any way to tell cmake that I don't care to build the mono and php bindings? [02:32] * JontheEchidna is having trouble getting cmake to detect his php installation [02:36] Riddell, nixternal, and anyone else packaging KDE4 for Intrepid: I'm about to upload a fixed kde4libs. Please don't lose the change in your next uploads ... [02:38] ah, just remove it from the cmakelist [02:40] go detroit redwings [02:48] nixternal: you ender a tornado watch? [02:49] not that I know of [02:49] wouldn't doubt it...it is hot and muggy here [02:49] thanks ScottK! [02:49] southwest michigan is [02:50] nixternal: It was providing a file twice and broke awen's KDE Guidance upload. [02:50] which file? [02:50] /usr/man/man1/makekdewidgets1.tar.gz [02:51] It is in -dev and -data [02:51] plus or mins a share dir in there somewhere [02:52] hey, leave my man page alone! [02:52] I created that a long time ago :P [02:57] I was thinkin', maybe we should run a few desktop screenshots through screenie for the Intrepid changelogs/release announcments [02:58] http://flickr.com/photos/ariyahidayat/2545790007/sizes/o/ [03:01] was that the one for speedcrunch? [03:01] yeah [03:01] http://ariya.blogspot.com/2008/06/creating-fancy-screenshots-with.html [03:21] santiago-ve: spaces in the url? (just something I've tried that didn't work) [03:42] 30 seconds left [03:42] seele: aww [03:47] * jjesse is watching the red wings (NOT LIVE) [03:48] so close there at the end [03:48] don't tell me anything [03:48] oh [03:48] i will beat you [03:49] how is it not live? recorded? [03:49] yes w/ my dvr [03:49] i don't watch live tv [03:49] i watch it all through my dvr [03:49] so i can skip commercials [03:50] i can't see that working well for sports [03:50] it works great for sports [03:50] i just pause it, let the tv get 15-20 minutes ahead and then watch and skip commericals [03:51] yuriy, well i checked it again... and fixed my face parameter [03:51] lets see if it works [03:51] yay done [03:51] red wings win [03:51] holy crap that was close [03:54] ScottK: do you know brandonperry at all? works on the ClamAV Live CD [03:54] nixternal: No. [03:55] jjesse: they only have 15 Minutes of comercials for the entire thing? [03:55] k, just wondering because he is going for membership right now and I ntoiced his clamav work [03:55] daskreech: no i just pause the game, and while i watch it continues to record [03:55] i usually get cuaght up somewhere through the game [04:01] great ending [04:01] kind of sad they lost by the goalie sitting on the puck though [04:01] kde4libs is uploaded. [04:02] * ScottK first KDE4 upload [04:02] yuriy: by what goolie sitting on the puck? they almost tied it by seconds [04:03] jjesse: Detroit's 3rd goal, Fleury thought he had it but he didn't and sat on the puck and pushed it in [04:03] yuriy: oh you mean that goal [04:03] yes i agree with you on that [04:03] yuriy: i can't feel too bad, detroit is the better team [04:04] hmm is it a big deal that I forgot to do -9 for gzip for packages? [04:04] seele: true [04:13] nixternal: Would you please grab my kde4libs package for intrepid and see if it builds on your amd64? [04:13] nixternal: Just seeing if it gets all the depends and starts building is all I need to know. [04:14] will do [04:14] link me to the .dsc [04:16] nixternal: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kde4libs/4:4.0.80-0ubuntu4/+files/kde4libs_4.0.80-0ubuntu4.dsc [04:16] nixternal: is it a big deal that I forgot to do -9 for gzip for packages? [04:17] anyone from kubuntu/ubuntu -de in here that knows hacktick at all? if so, he could use some support [04:18] * ScottK would guess -de is sleeping [04:20] ya [04:29] heh [04:49] nixternal: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/include/KDE/Plasma/GLApplet': No such file or directory [04:49] when running debuild [04:49] does that mean some file is not there anymore and I need to change a rule? [04:50] yuriy: Yes. [04:52] delete that line from debian/libplasma-dev.install? [04:54] No. Figure out where GLApplet went. [04:55] yuriy: do you have the libqt4-opengl-dev installed? [04:55] that could be why it isn't there because the opengl headers weren't install [04:56] ah, that I don't [04:56] should it not be a build-dep then? [04:58] nixternal: Did kde4libs work for you? [05:03] still building [05:06] hmm can't install libqt4-opengl-dev [05:07] I think there are still some issues left over with the 4.4 upgrade [05:07] though it might just be my mirror [05:08] ah, yes, going to archive. gets me a bunch of updates [05:39] * DASkreech <3 kget [05:41] ScottK: built! [05:43] * ScottK hands nixternal http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15028399/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.0.80-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and asks why? [05:43] * nixternal looks [05:44] hrmm [05:44] !info libsoprano-dev intrepid [05:44] libsoprano-dev (source: soprano): development files for the Soprano RDF framework. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.98-1ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 102 kB, installed size 1136 kB [05:44] !info libsoprano4 intrepid [05:44] libsoprano4 (source: soprano): libraries for the Soprano RDF framework. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.98-1ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 476 kB, installed size 1492 kB [05:45] ScottK: is it just amd64? [05:46] nixternal: It's all but i386 and lpia [05:46] For the same reason [05:46] wow, and there is no lpia soprano package built [05:46] just amd64 and i386 [05:48] * ScottK needs to head to bed ... [05:53] nixternal: ok it built, should I add libqt4-opengl-dev as a build-dep? [05:53] nixternal: also, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17100/ [05:54] there is no debian/not-installed on this one [05:57] ooh [05:57] looks like they added a bunch to kdm [05:57] add the kdm stuff to kdm-kde4.install [05:58] actually [05:58] check kdm-kde4.install and make sure there is no usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/* or such [05:58] I think that will trip the --list-missing stuff [06:01] ther isn't, but there's a #don't install, but link the oxygen version in .links - usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/pics/kdelogo.png [06:01] so that explains one line [06:03] dolphin crashes on right click in the 4.0.80 packages for me. If I right on an actual file I get a menu and its fine but if I right click on nothing within the file manager just to get a menu it crashes [06:04] just putting it out there as it were [06:05] hmm I don't see that stuff in the source [06:06] yuriy: crash_here() [06:07] skreech: heh. but talking about packaging something ^^ [06:10] :-) [06:13] nixternal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd [06:13] Nice release date [06:13] ah, kcontrol/kdm/background/patterns/ [06:13] seele would probably like the logo too [06:13] skreech: explain? [06:13] nixternal: Lookit the release date for HURD [06:14] nixternal: bah I'm an idgit [06:14] harolddong: dolphin isn't crashing for me... [06:14] I just saw Release: days ago [06:14] haha, I saw that too [06:14] not realising it's two lines [06:14] word wrap caught ya :) [06:15] umf umf umf [06:15] Yeah we were trying to explain to a whippersnapper that WINE isn't an emulator [06:15] * nixternal loves the glass theme for kde 4.1 [06:15] since ... WINE is not an emulator [06:15]