[00:00] <ign0ramus> szakulec: i usually put a terminal icon on the desktop, but that works too ;)
[00:00] <axel> ign0ramus: I thought so, too: E-Mails, Surfing, a very little bit of writing texts.
[00:00] <szakulec> maybe set-up Amarok?
[00:00] <Daisuke_Ido> definitely install openssh and ddclient (and set them up with a dyndns account) if you want to easily do tech support from home
[00:00] <ign0ramus> szakulec: they don't even use it to listen to music, but i think i'll do that, for my own purposes ;)
[00:01] <axel> ign0ramus: Now I get to hear that the system is sooo complcated. (as some Dialogues are a little bit different from the ones in Windows.
[00:01] <ign0ramus> daisuke_ido: i've never ssh'd before...
[00:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ign0ramus: a lot easier than you'd think
[00:01] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: i'll check for a tutorial.  good idea!
[00:02] <szakulec> it's very easy, although you need to know a few things up front about it
[00:02] <ign0ramus> fyi, i am keeping a 40gb windows partition (that will be first in grub boot order)
[00:02] <Daisuke_Ido> my in-laws are using ubuntu now and would completely lose it if they had to go back to windows
[00:03] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: i was about to lose it, too: always with the A/V, Spyware and Firewall issues... ugh
[00:03] <Blake_Tst> i just got ubuntu and was wondering can anyone help me with installing programs and waht not
[00:03] <szakulec> ign0ramus: it's usually a text-console login only, there's no sound, and you've got one terminal to work with.  Also, don't run anything with &
[00:03] <ign0ramus> now that they finally got a broadband connection (finally!), i won't mind working on their computer
[00:03] <Daisuke_Ido> that's actually why they agreed to switch.  they had a complete crash, and compaq never gave them restore media, and the restore partition wouldn't boot.
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> Blake_Tst: what would you like to install?
[00:03] <Blake_Tst> Teamspeak
[00:03] <axel> Blake_Tst: What do you want to install?
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> !info teamspeak
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> teamspeak is a windows app
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> this isn't windows
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> thats what I thought <_<
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you could try wine, but no promises and no guarantees
[00:04] <Blake_Tst> thought there was a dl linx
[00:04] <genii> There is a teamspeak addon for pidgin
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: really...  nice
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> there ya go :)
[00:05] <Blake_Tst> genii how would i get that
[00:05] <Blake_Tst> i know nothing about computers
[00:05] <Blake_Tst> but anything is better thne vista imo
[00:05] <ign0ramus> there's a teamspeak tutorial here (YMMV): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak
[00:05] <Blake_Tst> ok thanks
[00:05] <axel> Blake_Tst: I found some packages in the Ubuntu-repositories: teamspeak-client and teamspeak-server.
[00:05] <szakulec> if you're not strictly dependent on TeamSpeak itself, and just need that style of chat client, I'm hearing good things about Mumble
[00:06] <Blake_Tst> well i need teampseak its self to connect to there servers i belive
[00:06] <eldowan> I've just started to use the current hardy kde4 build, and was am having a slight problem. When I set the panel to the tiny setting, the digital clock applet is too large to see correctly. Is there a way to change this?
[00:06] <engineer> firefox 3 rc2 released
[00:07] <Blake_Tst> gonna try the guide thing
[00:08] <Blake_Tst> this is so much diffrent then windows o.o
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... this is certainly the hard way to install things too
[00:09] <Blake_Tst> its worht it i think
[00:09] <ign0ramus> blake_tst: why not keep a windows partition for using windows apps, instead of forcing them to work in Linux?
[00:09] <Blake_Tst> well i first went from vista
[00:09] <Blake_Tst> to xp
[00:09] <ign0ramus> good choice ;)
[00:09] <Blake_Tst> adn laptop wouldnt run it
[00:10] <Blake_Tst> so had to use ubuntu as last resort
[00:10] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: what model?
[00:10] <Blake_Tst> and it turned out to be alot better
[00:10] <Blake_Tst> acer aspire 5520-5334
[00:10] <nosrednaekim> usually its far easier to install things in ubuntu :)
[00:10] <ign0ramus> ubuntu is great, but i still need windows for certain things
[00:10] <Blake_Tst> not the best but ya
[00:10] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: i have almost the same model... xp probably didn't work because of the SATA drive
[00:11] <Blake_Tst> ya i have no clue what that is but my computer would shut off randomly
[00:11] <Blake_Tst> like i had no control
[00:11] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you can change the settings in BIOS to emulate IDE, or you can install the SATA driver
[00:11] <Blake_Tst> not going to bother messing with the BIOS was told if you mess somthing up things turn out bad and i know nothing about computers
[00:11] <Blake_Tst> suprised i could get ubuntu myself
[00:11] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: im not trying to disuade you from ubuntu, its great, but you can also run xp if you wish to run windows apps
[00:12] <Blake_Tst> i know i know just saying for me to do all that im better off just using ubuntu
[00:12] <Blake_Tst> don't want to mess with stuff i don't know how to fix if i break it lol
[00:12] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: for the most part, you are, but you will learn to live without certain things (at least for now, anyway) ;)
[00:14] <Blake_Tst> lol oh boy :x
[00:14] <ign0ramus> for example, your webcam won't work on any flash-based sites (stickam, live.yahoo), etc
[00:14] <ign0ramus> not yet, anyway
[00:15] <Blake_Tst> i have another question i see all these things on youtube its like a 3d cube that you zoom out and cna move it around to go from your desktop to like firefox or to bittorrent
[00:15] <ign0ramus> compiz fusion
[00:15] <ign0ramus> google it
[00:15] <Pici> !compiz | Blake_Tst
[00:15] <Blake_Tst> alright thanks
[00:16] <Blake_Tst> this is oging to get alot of getting use to o.o
[00:16] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst:
[00:16] <Blake_Tst> yes?
[00:16] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: in a few months, you'll be a pro (or at least intermediate)
[00:16] <Blake_Tst> ya i know
[00:16] <ign0ramus> its just like learning anything else
[00:16] <Blake_Tst> its like if i went from windows to mac its just the switch is hte hard part
[00:17] <Blake_Tst> i plan on getting a macpro depending on how muhc i make this summer
[00:17] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: once you learn, it's painful to go back!
[00:17] <Blake_Tst> want to partion it with ubuntu
[00:17] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: why do you want to overpay for hardware? ;)
[00:17] <Blake_Tst> i heard macs were better what else could i get
[00:18] <Blake_Tst> i also don't liek vista at all
[00:18] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: with linux, almost any hardware configuration!
[00:18] <Blake_Tst> hmm
[00:18] <Blake_Tst> what would be a good laptop to get at a good price
[00:18] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: macs use pretty much the same hardware (including Intel processors) all other computers use
[00:19] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you're using one!  what's wrong with it?
[00:19] <Blake_Tst> nothing realy just was looking to sell mine to a friend who isnt so well on money and buy myself a new one
[00:20] <Blake_Tst> oh boy
[00:20] <Blake_Tst> what the hell just happend lol
[00:20] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: Macs are cool-looking and trendy, but not really any better than any other configuration you could get for cheaper
[00:20] <ign0ramus> ? huh
[00:21] <Blake_Tst> my computer speakers r just like beating for no reason
[00:21] <Blake_Tst> i think i mihgt have to restart
[00:21] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: just restart x
[00:21] <Blake_Tst> i am
[00:21] <Blake_Tst> brb guys
[00:22] <ign0ramus> anywho, what else am i missing for a fresh install of kubuntu? firefox, restricted-extras, build-essential, gstreamer codecs, flash plugin... what else?
[00:22] <ign0ramus> just stuff for basic usability for my parents
[00:24] <taafis> is there any way to get an "Interactive PHP-shell" in the terminal sessions menu?
[00:25] <taafis> actually just a terminal that starts with php -a
[00:26] <ign0ramus> taafis: you just want to run php scripts from terminal? what are you trying to do?
[00:27] <taafis> to test some stuff, debug etc
[00:27] <ign0ramus> taafis: so you just want to run php scripts, yes?
[00:27] <taafis> no, not php-scripts
[00:28] <taafis> i've got lamp installed
[00:28] <taafis> but running the php-cli stuff
[00:28] <ign0ramus> you have php4-cli installed?
[00:28] <taafis> after you've installed php5-cli you can type "php -a" to get an interactive php shell
[00:28] <genii> just php -a     should work
[00:28] <taafis> i know
[00:29] <taafis> but would be cool to have an option like the Python Interpreter shell
[00:29] <ign0ramus> oh... that, i have no idea
[00:29] <genii> taafis: You could make a new user with the default shell of php
[00:30] <taafis> what do you mean?
[00:30] <Tstantonfsu> alright i'm back
[00:31] <szakulec> is there a kde 4 meta-package that installs most or all of kde4?
[00:32] <genii> taafis: In the same way you have for instance /bin/sh     for the default shell of a user
[00:32] <iLoveVista> hello, ure o/s is gey.
[00:32] <taafis> ah, yeah.. i found it in the options in Konsole.. thanks :)
[00:32] <ign0ramus> TROLL DETECTED.
[00:32] <iLoveVista> u kant spell
[00:32] <Blake_Tst> Open a terminal and cd to the directory where you saved the install file
[00:32] <iLoveVista> im confused.
[00:32] <Blake_Tst> whats that mean o.o
[00:33] <iLoveVista> why is linux so ghey?
[00:34] <iLoveVista> vista makes linux look like the asshole of a deseased grandma
[00:34] <iLoveVista> *deceased!
[00:34] <iLoveVista> hello fags, suck my left nut
[00:35] <Brian88> hi all.
[00:35] <iLoveVista> hi cunt
[00:35] <genii> !ops | iLoveVista
[00:35] <Brian88> I want to install Kubuntu dual boot with my Vista
[00:35] <ign0ramus> brian88: what version? its very easy
[00:35] <Jucato> turtle again...
[00:35]  * stdin waves to Jucato 
[00:36] <Brian88> 8.04 the new one
[00:36]  * Jucato /ignores stdin
[00:36] <Jucato> :D
[00:36] <Brian88> this is using konversation in kubuntu
[00:36] <Jucato> hi stdin
[00:36] <Brian88> my problem is,
[00:36] <Brian88> my hdd is 80 gb
[00:36] <stdin> :)
[00:36] <Blake_Tst> it says cd to the directory where you saved the install file  whats that mean o.o
[00:36] <ign0ramus> Brian88: and...
[00:36] <Brian88> 25GB for XP (sorry, I wrong, mine is XP not Vista)
[00:36] <Brian88> and the rest of the disk for data
[00:36] <ign0ramus> Brian88: ok, no problems
[00:37] <Brian88> how to resize the data partition
[00:37] <Brian88> so I can put this on the resized partition
[00:37] <Brian88> Data 55GB > 40GB and 10GB for Kubuntu
[00:37] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: cd means "change directory" in  a terminal, if you type: " cd /home " you will be in your home directory
[00:38] <Brian88> If I work with datas I will put it in the data partition.
[00:38] <Brian88> so how to resize
[00:38] <ign0ramus> Brian88: do "data" and "xp" already have partitions?
[00:38] <Brian88> yes
[00:38] <Brian88> | <-- XP 25GB --> | <-------------- DATA 55GB -----------------> |
[00:38] <Brian88> already filled with data
[00:39] <Brian88> and I want to change it :
[00:39] <genii> ign0ramus: No, you'll be one level above your home directory
[00:39] <ign0ramus> genii: yeah, you caught me ;)
[00:39] <genii> heh
[00:39] <Brian88> | <-- XP 25GB --> | <-------------- DATA 45GB ---------------> | <-Kubuntu 10GB -> |
[00:40] <ign0ramus> Brian88: just use the installer to "shrin" the Data portion
[00:40] <ign0ramus> *shrink
[00:40] <ign0ramus> if xp and data are NTFS, i would recommend running a defrag first
[00:40] <genii> Blake_Tst: In a konsole if you do: cd ~/             that puts you in /home/yourname             if from there you: cd Desktop             then you are in the folder where the things you see on your desktop are
[00:41] <Blake_Tst> ok
[00:41] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: windows actually does the same thing if you open up cmd (command shell)
[00:41] <ign0ramus> its just a command-line way of navigating through your files
[00:42] <Blake_Tst> and i get to that i put in the code im suppose to to install teamspeak
[00:42] <tinin> If I use a theme with wine, it runs much more slow. Is this a common problem?
[00:42] <Blake_Tst> comes up with somthing saying i have to put my password in
[00:42] <Blake_Tst> i do
[00:42] <Blake_Tst> and says incorrect -.-
[00:42] <Blake_Tst> 3 times >.>
[00:43] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: i'm guessing you're putting in the wrong password (obvious?)
[00:43] <Blake_Tst> one second i will try again lol
[00:43] <flaccid_> check this out: http://www.quickcamteam.net/ <-- logitech trying to look like they support *nix
[00:43] <ign0ramus> oooh! there's a kernel upgrade?
[00:43] <Brian88> @ign0ramus : there are : "Guided - use entire disk - SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 82.0GB ATA MAxtor 6L080L0". "Guided, use the largest continous free space", "Manual", no option to shrink.
[00:43] <ign0ramus> Brian88: in your case, "manual"
[00:44] <mneptok> Brian88: run the Partition Editor from the System>Admin menu
[00:44] <Blake_Tst> ign0ramus
[00:44] <ign0ramus> mneptok: i think he's using the install disc
[00:44] <Blake_Tst> is it ok if i copy and paste what its saying to u though a privtie message
[00:44] <mneptok> ign0ramus: gparted should be included on the live cd
[00:44] <Blake_Tst> so that it dosnt flood
[00:44] <genii> !pastebin
[00:44] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: use pastebin
[00:45] <ign0ramus> genii: you win again
[00:45] <genii> I'll go drink some coffee...  ;)
[00:45] <ign0ramus> get me some, too!
[00:45] <Blake_Tst> alright i did it lol
[00:45] <Brian88> oh. Thanks ignoramus :))
[00:45] <Brian88> @ignoramus: should I use this? In the webpage it says easy to install & uninstall : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-Ubuntu-Windows-Installer-45804.shtml
[00:45] <Brian88> @ignoramus: should I use this? In the webpage it says easy to install & uninstall : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Debian-Ubuntu-Windows-Installer-45804.shtml
[00:45] <genii> hehe
[00:46] <genii> !wubi
[00:46] <Blake_Tst> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17024/
[00:46] <Blake_Tst> do i give u that o.o
[00:46] <ign0ramus> Brian88: you don't need it; the Hardy install disc comes with a great installer
[00:47] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you are not in the right directory.  where did you download your tar.bz2 package to?  (home folder, desktop, etc)
[00:48] <Blake_Tst> desktop
[00:48] <Brian88> @ignoramus : the wubi one? If I install Kubuntu via Wubi, can I uninstall it later?
[00:48] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you can just click it and Ark will open it
[00:48] <ign0ramus> Brian88:
[00:48] <ign0ramus> Brian88: yes
[00:48] <Blake_Tst> ok thanks
[00:48] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: extract to desktop then
[00:49] <Blake_Tst> the folders on the desktop now
[00:49] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: for future reference, you can use " cd /home/user/blake/Desktop " when you want to navigate to your desktop
[00:49] <Blake_Tst> ok thanks
[00:49] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: what are you installing again?
[00:49] <Blake_Tst> teamspeak
[00:49] <Blake_Tst> teampspeak client
[00:50] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: ok, so open that folder- is there a file called "README" or "INSTALL"?
[00:50] <Brian88> okay, thanks all... great answer. I'll go to my XP and install Kubuntu from there. Bye...
[00:50] <Blake_Tst> readme setup.data setup.sh
[00:50] <ign0ramus> Brian88: take care!
[00:50] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: usually the readme or install file will give you instructions on how to compile (install) the program
[00:51] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: make sure you have " build-essential " installed
[00:51] <Blake_Tst> oh boy how do i know if thats installed
[00:51] <Blake_Tst> applications>add remove programs?
[00:51] <ign0ramus> in terminal, type: " sudo apt-get install build-essential "
[00:51] <Blake_Tst> k thnks
[00:52] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: most apps can be found in Add/Remove or in Adept, but if you already know the package name, "apt-get" install is quicker ;)
[00:52] <Blake_Tst> alright
[00:53] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: ok, now, what are the compiling instructions in the teamspeak folder?
[00:53] <Blake_Tst> one last question do you know if i changed my OS on my laptop if it would kill my waranty
[00:53] <Blake_Tst> cuz i went from vista to xp to ubuntu
[00:53] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: it shouldn't... you can always change back if it's a problem ;)
[00:53] <jean-philippe> Hi
[00:53] <Blake_Tst> see thats the problem i can't lol
[00:53] <jean-philippe> How want to play openarena ?
[00:54] <jean-philippe> who*
[00:54] <ign0ramus> no thanks, jean-philippe
[00:55] <Blake_Tst> how would i reinstall vista if i don't have the software o.o
[00:55] <Blake_Tst> ll
[00:55] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you don't have the install disc?
[00:55] <trading22> hi
[00:56] <Blake_Tst> well ya i had it but my parents love throwing things away
[00:56] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: well, you still have the product key (it's on the bottom of your laptop)
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> haha... not good
[00:57] <Blake_Tst> think acer would mail me a nwe cd lol?
[00:57] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: but you definitely *should not* download another copy of Vista and simply re-use your product key
[00:57] <luis__> hello everyone
[00:57] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: that would be wrong (although very simple)
[00:57] <luis__> need help
[00:57] <Blake_Tst> lol
[00:58] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: good. you understand.  i say no more ;)
[00:58] <luis__> When I boot up, I see GRUB displaying more than one kubuntu
[00:58] <ign0ramus> luis__: that's because you have more than one kernel installed
[00:59] <ign0ramus> its not harmful or bad in any way
[00:59] <ign0ramus> you can uninstall one if you don't need or want it
[00:59] <luis__> very well, but my real question is why I have more than one kernel, perhaps I should mention that this started to happen since I added a hard disk
[01:00] <Blake_Tst> ign0ramus
[01:00] <Blake_Tst> i installed teamspeak client
[01:00] <Blake_Tst> is there a way to get a icon on my bar so i cna just click it
[01:00] <luis__> I can't figure out what happens, from time to time another kernel apears
[01:00] <Blake_Tst> to start it up
[01:00] <ign0ramus> luis__: open " /boot/grub/grub.conf " and use pastebin and post contents
[01:01] <luis__> right away
[01:01] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: of course.  you have to know where the executable file is (I'd guess in /usr/bin)
[01:01] <Blake_Tst> blah -.-
[01:02] <luis__> sorry , there's no grub.conf file
[01:02] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: open up konqueror or dolphin, and see if there's a teamspeak executable in /usr/bin
[01:03] <ign0ramus> luis__: open up /boot/grub and look for a file called "grub.conf"
[01:03] <Blake_Tst> and how do i open konqueror or dolphin lmao
[01:03] <Blake_Tst> i just got ubuntu not even a hour ago
[01:03] <Blake_Tst> sorry for being a little slow
[01:03] <ign0ramus> konqueror: kmenu (start menu) > internet > konqueror
[01:05] <Blake_Tst> all i have is applications places and system on my bar
[01:05] <luis__> I'm at that directory
[01:05] <luis__> but I can't see that file
[01:05] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: ok, type "konqueror" in a terminal
[01:06] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: wait... are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu???
[01:06] <Blake_Tst> ubuntu o.o
[01:06] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you are in the Kubuntu channel, which is Ubuntu, but with the KDE Desktop
[01:06] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: it's a little different... you don't have konqueror
[01:07] <ign0ramus> open Nautilus instead
[01:07] <Blake_Tst> blah
[01:07] <Blake_Tst> is there a ubuntu channel lol
[01:07] <ign0ramus> yep.  same thing, just "join #ubuntu"
[01:07] <ign0ramus> i can still help
[01:07] <Blake_Tst> can you help me make the icon lol
[01:08] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: yeah, no problem.
[01:08] <Blake_Tst> alright :)
[01:08] <luis__> perhaps I could paste the list of files in /boot/grub
[01:08] <ign0ramus> luis__: yes, that would be good
[01:08] <IxnayOnTheHombre> amarok is not updating my collection... i have the folder set up and when i say update collection or rescan collection it doesnt add the new music i have in there
[01:08] <bdog> why does x keep crashing?
[01:08] <luis__> default        installed-version  minix_stage1_5     xfs_stage1_5
[01:08] <luis__> device.map     jfs_stage1_5       reiserfs_stage1_5
[01:08] <luis__> e2fs_stage1_5  menu.lst           stage1
[01:08] <luis__> fat_stage1_5   menu.lst~          stage2
[01:09] <ign0ramus> luis__: in pastebin!
[01:09] <ign0ramus> !pastebin
[01:09] <luis__> sorry, I'm too much a newbie
[01:09] <Blake_Tst> alright ign now what do i do now o.o
[01:09] <j0hnny_> hello
[01:09] <ign0ramus> ixnay: make sure you have "scan folders recursively" checked in amarok
[01:10] <IxnayOnTheHombre> i do
[01:10] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: did you go to /usr/bin?
[01:10] <j0hnny_> i need some basic help if possible
[01:10] <j0hnny_> anyone
[01:10] <ign0ramus> ixnay: try copying your music to a different folder, and see if amarok will scan it then
[01:10] <Blake_Tst> i put that in the terminal right? /usr/bin
[01:11] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: no, you want to go there in Nautilus (like Windows Explorer)
[01:11] <j0hnny_> trying to get a driver for my wireless card in my laptop
[01:11] <ign0ramus> j0hnny_: what wireless card?
[01:11] <Blake_Tst> how do i get to nautilus
[01:12] <j0hnny_> not sure brand new on this kubuntu
[01:12] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: i think its under "Applications"
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> !wireless | j0hnny_
[01:12] <Blake_Tst> nothing o.o
[01:13] <ign0ramus> does anyone know where Nautilus is located in Ubuntu???
[01:13] <j0hnny_> thank you
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> nope.... try #ubuntu for that :P
[01:13] <Blake_Tst> ign im geussing its better off if i go to #ubuntu instead?
[01:13] <ign0ramus> i know, mike, but i'm trying to help Blake_Tst put an icon on his desktop
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> well, its alot different in GNOME
[01:14] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: you can, but you'll have to explain all over again ;)
[01:14] <Blake_Tst> great -.-
[01:14] <Blake_Tst> ign save me :x
[01:14] <Blake_Tst> <3
[01:14] <ign0ramus> Blake_Tst: I'm not real familiar with gnome. sorry dude.
[01:14] <Blake_Tst> blah its fine thanks for all the help
[01:15] <ign0ramus> np.  once you get used to ubuntu, install kde, and come back to hang out ;)
[01:15] <Blake_Tst> alright bye thanks again
[01:16] <luis__> perhaps someone could tell me why every once in a while another kernel apears in my GRUB
[01:16] <ign0ramus> luis__: please post grub.conf in pastebin
[01:16] <ign0ramus> i have tried to help you twice now
[01:16] <luis__> sorry, I could't see that file
[01:16] <ign0ramus> !pastebin
[01:17] <luis__> that file does not show up in that directory
[01:17] <luis__> I have pasted the result of ls
[01:17] <ign0ramus> luis__: what files are in /boot/grub???
[01:17] <luis__> I pasted that in pastebin
[01:18] <luis__> how do I do to show that to you?
[01:18] <ign0ramus> you have to post the url of that pastebin so i know what to look at
[01:18] <j0hnny_> how can i tell if the wireless card is even reading it is built into the latop
[01:18] <ign0ramus> j0hnny_: use the livecd to test.
[01:19] <j0hnny_> so go back into windows
[01:19] <luis__> ok ok
[01:19] <luis__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17033/
[01:19] <j0hnny_> i have the system dual boot
[01:19] <ign0ramus> j0hnny_: you're in kubuntu right now?
[01:20] <ign0ramus> luis__: ok, pastebin contents of " menu.lst "
[01:21] <flaccid_> anyone who wants to help improve Logitech webcam support please make a comment and 'yes' to poll: see http://forums.quickcamteam.net/showthread.php?tid=324
[01:22] <luis__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17040/
[01:22] <desmond> flaccid
[01:22] <desmond> i use kopete
[01:22] <desmond> kde4
[01:23] <desmond> and my logitech webcam
[01:23] <desmond> works perfect
[01:23] <ign0ramus> logitech cams for the most part, work very well in kubuntu
[01:23] <ign0ramus> luis__: ok, this is very simple
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> desmond: just because they tend to work well doesn't mean that they can't benefit from improvement
[01:23] <ign0ramus> luis__: you have three kernels installed.  do you want to get rid of any of them?
[01:23] <desmond> ok
[01:24] <desmond> but what improvement could there be?
[01:24] <luis__> yes, but also I'd like to know why they have apeared?
[01:24] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: you're right- who doesn't want improvement? :)
[01:24] <desmond> haha
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> desmond: well, not all logitech cams work
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> so there's an area that can be improved!
[01:24] <ign0ramus> luis__: anytime you upgrade, the newest kernel will be installed
[01:24] <desmond> ok
[01:24] <ign0ramus> luis__: there was just a new kernel update today
[01:25] <luis__> oh, so  when I runned adept to perform some upgrade... that made apear the new kernel
[01:25] <ign0ramus> luis__: that's probably why 2.6.24-18-generic just appeared in your GRUB
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i should probably boot into the new kernel and hope that it didn't break nvidia as a couple people have said
[01:25] <luis__> :) should I erase the older kernels?
[01:26] <ign0ramus> luis__: that's up to you... does everything work properly using the newest version?
[01:26] <luis__> as far as I can tell... yes
[01:26] <ign0ramus> see Daisuke_Ido's comment ^
[01:26] <luis__> :) I did, but my nvidia seems to be working fine
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i would always make sure to keep one kernel back just in case
[01:26] <ign0ramus> luis__: removing the old ones is as simple as opening Adept, searching for " linux-image " , and removing the older versions
[01:26] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: that
[01:27] <ign0ramus> 's always a good plan
[01:27] <luis__> well then , I understand that that will not use too much space from my hadr drive
[01:27] <ign0ramus> (damn apostrophe key)
[01:27] <ign0ramus> luis__: space is not an issue with kernels.  they are small
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> yep...  they're not big, they aren't going to eat up all of your hard drive space, there's no harm in keeping one or even a couple back
[01:27] <luis__> :) yes, that's what I meant to say, above all I was curious why those kernels apeared
[01:28] <ign0ramus> luis__: you can keep the kernel, but remove them from the start up screen so you don't see them, all while still havng them just in case
[01:28] <luis__> ok how do I do that?
[01:28] <ign0ramus> luis__: just remove the entry from your menu.lst file
[01:28] <luis__> alrigh, just that simple?
[01:28] <luis__> very well
[01:29] <ign0ramus> make sure that line 15 says "default 0"
[01:29] <luis__> thank you very much :)
[01:29] <ign0ramus> which yours already does
[01:29] <luis__> why?
[01:29] <ign0ramus> so that GRUB will load the first entry in your menu.lst
[01:30] <luis__> ahhh I see
[01:30] <ign0ramus> if you have a higher number (like 8), but you only have 2 entries, that's a problem
[01:30] <flaccid_> or you can just put savedefault on the one you want as default
[01:31] <ign0ramus> flaccid_: also true. you can also use a chainloader, but just keeping the first one set as default is simple enough for this task ;)
[01:31] <luis__> that's to chose the default booting option right?
[01:31] <ign0ramus> luis__: yup.  you can change it to whatever you want. just remember that 0 is first, then 1, 2, so on
[01:32] <ign0ramus> luis__: i used to have Windows boot by default, until i was comfortable with kubuntu
[01:32] <luis__> I see
[01:32] <ign0ramus> luis__: now its last on my list ;)
[01:33] <flaccid_> ign0ramus, yes sir!
[01:33]  * ign0ramus raises a drink to flaccid_
[01:33] <luis__> hehe, so , I can just coment using a " # " the extra kernels in the file menu.lst  and they won't be displayed among the options any more right?
[01:33] <ign0ramus> luis__:
[01:33] <ign0ramus> yes
[01:33] <flaccid_> ty.. too much coffee already
[01:34] <ign0ramus> not enough scotch here ;)
[01:34] <luis__> thank you very much
[01:34] <luis__> nor enough fernet here hehehe
[01:34] <ign0ramus> luis__: no problem.  how do you think i learned?
[01:34] <flaccid_> mmmm scotch
[01:34] <ign0ramus> on the rocks. little water. and a lemon twist.  perfect for a warm night :)
[01:35] <luis__> :) thanks I'll go ang get a lager now
[01:35] <ign0ramus> luis__: you from PA?
[01:35] <flaccid_> just on the rocks thanks:)
[01:35] <ign0ramus> we're getting off-topic, but we just accomplished something, so we can celebrate, right?
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> that's twice that's happened now
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> update, reboot, no dns
[01:36] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: wireless?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> wired, static ip
[01:36] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: because of the new kernel?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> most likely
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> that's about the only time i reboot
[01:36] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: :)
[01:36] <ign0ramus> ifconfig?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, and xfce's panel decided not to show up, but that was easy enough to fix
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> ign0ramus: got it working :P
[01:37] <ign0ramus> haha
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm here, aren't i?
[01:37] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: you use Xubuntu?
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i do
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> (and kubuntu, and ubuntu)
[01:37] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: could be on another computer... (i've had to do that many times) :)
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm desktop agnostic :)
[01:37] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: a wealth of knowledge, you are.
[01:37] <ign0ramus> haha
[01:38] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: so no preference?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> howdy
[01:38] <j0hnny> ok man now that i am not on kubuntu maybe i can figure this out
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> hey BluesKaj
[01:38] <j0hnny> u said before something about livecd
[01:38] <Daisuke_Ido> ign0ramus: i've grown to prefer xfce because it's lightweight
[01:38] <BluesKaj> hi nosrednaekim, Daisuke_Ido
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> greetings BluesKaj
[01:39] <ign0ramus> j0hnny: yeah... boot with livecd, run linux (dont install), and see if you're wireless works.
[01:39] <ign0ramus> *your wireless (that drives me nuts)
[01:39] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: i'm going to give it a try on an old eMachines that was donated to me
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> ign0ramus: depending on the specs, it should be a good fit
[01:40] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: it will provide all the music in my basement (party area)
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> i have a 633 that it just screamed on
[01:40] <j0hnny> is that on the i86 and the 64bit one
[01:40] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: pentium 4, 512mb, 80gb ide HDD
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> oh yeah, xubuntu would be fine there :)
[01:40] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: whoa, my old stuff isn't *that* old! ;)
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> plus it's a P4, so your basement will stay warm
[01:41] <ign0ramus> Daisuke_Ido: funny cause its true
[01:41] <BluesKaj> got a deal on a fax/printer , so I'm trying to network it. I should have known that it would be buggy ...Lexmark
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[01:41] <ign0ramus> j0hnny: i86 (unless you have a 64bit)
[01:41] <j0hnny> i have the 64 bit its a turion64
[01:42] <ign0ramus> blueskaj: that's why they're always a "deal"
[01:42] <BluesKaj> hehe, no kidding
[01:42] <ign0ramus> j0hnny: you can use 64bit then, but i think there's better support for i86... am i right guys?
[01:42] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: i say that because i also have one.  that i use for windows.
[01:43] <j0hnny> ok ill try that and be back
[01:43] <j0hnny> hopefully
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> x86 is more supported, and the better option unless you have 4+gb ram
[01:43] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: really never felt like tweaking with it... plus i just use my work's printers and paper ;)
[01:43] <ign0ramus> j0hnny: there you go... use 32bit
[01:43] <j0hnny> k thanx
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> j0hnny: use i386
[01:44] <BluesKaj> ign0ramus, i'm gonna set up wifeys old HP printer on this box so it's no biggie
[01:44] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: I think you'll have better luck with the HP
[01:44] <BluesKaj> she needs the fax facility on her windows pc
[01:45] <luis__> PA? I'm from Rosario Argentina
[01:45] <ign0ramus> luis__: well, drink one for me, Luis!
[01:45] <luis__> :D thank you, sure I will
[01:46] <luis__> where's PA anyway?
[01:46] <BluesKaj> ign0ramus, we were using the HP as a network printer without probs before ...I just thought I'd try to network the Lexmark for the fun of it .
[01:47] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: fun? you like install Slax too, don't you? ;0
[01:47] <BluesKaj> after hearing all the horror stories about the the incompatibility with linux
[01:48] <BluesKaj> I ran slackware for a while , is that the same
[01:48] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:49] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: yeah.  so you are a sadist!
[01:49] <BluesKaj> nooo
[01:50] <ign0ramus> you ran Slackware.  You tinker with Lexmark on linux for fun.  That is a sadist, my friend!
[01:50] <billyd> Or masochist
[01:51] <ign0ramus> billyd: i think you're correct.  i always get them mixed up.  but you get the idea.
[01:52] <ign0ramus> ok friends, i'm off to get more scotch.  have a great night
[02:01] <elec> what realistic benefits am i gaining by moving from kde to gnome or even something like fluxbox? are there significant performance differences?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> elec: none from moving to gnome
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> but to fluxbox, yes, very noticable depending on your hardware
[02:01] <engineer> elec yes
[02:01] <engineer> loss in productivity
[02:01] <elec> hehe
[02:02] <elec> i ask because im running kde on an hp2133, which runs very hot during periods of high cpu utilization and if changing my wm will clearly limit the heat i'll do it..
[02:02] <engineer> try cleaning the fans with a hoover
[02:03] <engineer> still, kde4 is nicer on cpu
[02:03] <the-erm> Ya opening the case ... blowing it out.
[02:03] <elec> kde4 really failed for me, nothing seemed stable and everything that i wanted to customize was a pain
[02:03] <the-erm> I tried kde4, and ... somethings just didn't work quite right.
[02:03] <engineer> kde3 then
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> elec: oh..how is that little computer?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> elec: yeah. I definately try xubuntu on it
[02:04] <elec> ya, the hp2133 is known to run hot, its probably cause they stuffed the shitty via c7m into it
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> elec: welcome to kde4
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> elec: things should improve greatly with the release of 4.1
[02:06] <elec> i guess i could try xubuntu, just wish there was a site that compared performance between different window managers
[02:07] <flaccid_> elec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> elec: kde and gnome are about even as far as resources used.  xfce is lightweight and quick, and from there you're getting into the niche WMs
[02:07] <brian88> I installed Kubuntu from Windows, can I uninstall it if I don't like it?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> brian88: using WUBI? yes
[02:07] <elec> fuck, flaccid_ awesome link! thanks
[02:08] <flaccid_> np
[02:08] <flaccid_> !language | elec
[02:08] <brian88> @nosrednaekim : Yes, Wubi, that one which appears when I put the Cd into my DVD drive.
[02:09] <brian88> btw, I cannot install anything with Adept, Adept says that the database is locked, I don't have any running Adept or APT...
[02:10] <Tw|sT> I'm not sure if it's available on their site, but LNX magazine recently did a review and comparison of several light weight WMs
[02:11] <BluesKaj> brian88, do you have synaptic installed?
[02:11] <Tw|sT> unfortunately, LNX is a UK magazine, and while I can get it here in the USA, it's like $17 per issue, or $249 for 2 years
[02:11] <compilerwriter> Ladies and gents I need some clues as to where to begin.  I, after the latest round of updates, now have my windows session getting stuck in the screensaver mode somehow.  Where does one begin to troubleshoot?
[02:11] <brian88> how to fix?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix | brian88
[02:11] <Tw|sT> Now, I would say that that's totally outrageous, but it comes with a double sided DVD with all the current major distros in each issue, so it's kinda worthy.
[02:11] <flaccid_> can anyone here ask someone in ##mac who i see to get unbanned. im banned for some reason
[02:12] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim Where does one begin to debug an apparent screensaver freeze?
[02:12] <brian88> @ubottu : thanks.. adept is working for me now, thanks
[02:13] <BluesKaj> flaccid , you need lawyers guns & money :)
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: try just putting in the password even though you see no box
[02:13] <compilerwriter> flaccid they may find your handle objectionable.
[02:14] <Tw|sT> I was gonna say that
[02:14] <Tw|sT> ;)
[02:14] <compilerwriter> I will try that the next time nosrednaekim
[02:14] <flaccid_> BluesKaj, i do heh
[02:14] <flaccid_> my handle is soft..
[02:15] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim my mouse was still working but I could not bring up a menu or kicker or anything.  Does that still fit in with your password theory?
[02:15] <mr--t> maybe too soft for a mac site
[02:16] <flaccid_> well i make flaccidware..
[02:16] <compilerwriter> flaccid_  you make limpware?
[02:16] <flaccid_> limp != flaccid
[02:16] <Tw|sT> lol
[02:17] <flaccid_> i think i got banned there because i was too intelligient for them
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: compilerwriteryes, it does
[02:17] <Tw|sT> what'd you say to them?
[02:18] <flaccid_> dunno. it was a long long time ago. in that channel is so rarely people that know past the mac and its desktop..
[02:18]  * Tw|sT has several Mac users at work that love to get Irate with tech support.  
[02:18] <Tw|sT> oh, that would explain it
[02:18] <Tw|sT> :)
[02:19] <Tw|sT> and I imagine most of them still use the default 'TCSH' shell
[02:19] <flaccid_> well their OS is on unix now and they don't get a lot of stuff. it can be worse than windows because they are so used to the GUI and doing nothing else yet the OS does have a lot of caveats
[02:19] <flaccid_> most of them don't use any shell
[02:19] <Tw|sT> first time I touched a newer Mac, I switched the default shell to bash
[02:19] <flaccid_> you go in there for something requiring shell you never get help
[02:19]  * Tw|sT hated TCSH
[02:19] <flaccid_> the shell is not important its the userland that is
[02:20] <Tw|sT> ah
[02:20] <billyd> When I was just out the School of Allied Health Sciences, I knew a fellow who got involved with a company training Mac users.  Said they were deceptively complex
[02:20] <Tw|sT> sounds to me like eventually, they'll wish they'd l;earned it
[02:21] <Tw|sT> The Macs?  or the users?
[02:21] <theFATMAN> kubuntu needs to make a commercial like the mac and pc ones, but it would be complete ownage
[02:21] <Tw|sT> cause really, your right, either way
[02:22] <Tw|sT> search Youtube for Linux
[02:22] <Tw|sT> there are a series of Linux commercials, and they take from the Mac commercials, but they're put out by SuSE/Novell
[02:22] <Tw|sT> the chic in the commercials is kinda nice lookin' too
[02:23] <theFATMAN> lol, but have they been shown on national television
[02:23] <Tw|sT> Not sure...
[02:23] <billyd> I haven't seen them yet
[02:23] <Tw|sT> I know that IBM put out several Linux commercials that aired here in the US
[02:24] <theFATMAN> i missed em somehow
[02:24] <Tw|sT> I think all of those are on youtube
[02:25] <Tw|sT> including the IBM commercials for Linux
[02:25] <Tw|sT> also
[02:25] <theFATMAN> coolio
[02:25] <Tw|sT> they have a few really sweet vids of the compiz 3d desktop combined with a touch screen
[02:26] <Tw|sT> it's killer watchin' the person in the vid using their fingertips to rotate the 3D cube desktop
[02:26] <theFATMAN> yeah, those and the dual screen are what converted me to linux
[02:26] <Tw|sT> right
[02:26] <Tw|sT> :)
[02:26] <theFATMAN> 8)
[02:26] <Tw|sT> I'd used linux since 1997, but since compiz, I've been moving it more to the desktop
[02:27] <charlie5> hi folks
[02:27] <theFATMAN> right on
[02:27] <charlie5>  any advice on a good linux package to do a complete system backup/restore easily ?
[02:27] <Tw|sT> mostly, I'd used linux servers in combination with Win32 AD & Exchange
[02:27] <charlie5>  or a way to make an install cd from an existing kubu OS (so the install duplicates the existing OS) ?
[02:27] <theFATMAN> i know a guy who used linux to run his firewall, no monitor
[02:28] <Tw|sT> speaking of backup software, does anyone know of an OSS alternative to Acronis?
[02:28] <theFATMAN> charlie5, you mean a backup or full on installation?
[02:28] <Tw|sT> we use Acronis at my work to back up our Linux systems ( as well as Backup Exec ), but they're both commercialware
[02:28] <theFATMAN> char,
[02:29] <charlie5> theFATMAN: i have to install from feisty, and then upgrade to gustsy, then to hardy (since my cd won;t seem to handle the newer iso ?!)
[02:29] <Tw|sT> sounds like it's time for a new $80 DVDRW
[02:29] <Tw|sT> ;)
[02:29] <theFATMAN> charlie5, that doesnt make sense, bro
[02:29] <charlie5> so i wonder if i can 'save' the nice fresh hardy upgrade, so if i have to re-install again, i won;t have to the the f0g0h upgrade cycle
[02:30] <Tw|sT> I had a similar issue on a recent install of Hardy, and once I replaced the drive, it was all good
[02:30] <JDStone> is there a how to on enabling and customizing compiz?
[02:30] <theFATMAN> charlie5, just back up your home folder and do a frsh install, m8
[02:30] <charlie5> theFATMAN: i know, but every cd i've burnt with gutsy or hardy, give some sort of squashfs error :/
[02:30] <theFATMAN> !compiz
[02:31] <thompa> i want koffice4 , how do i install the koffice workspace for 4
[02:31] <theFATMAN> charlie5, do a usb flash install
[02:31] <theFATMAN> then check yo stuff for errors, lol
[02:31] <charlie5> heh, thanks ... but, no flash here ;)
[02:32] <theFATMAN> charlie5, hmmm
[02:32] <Tw|sT> speaking of which, does anyone know of a good very-small-formfactor motherboard that works good with a Compact Flash drives?  I've been wanting to play around with DD-WRT on an x86
[02:32] <theFATMAN> !squashfs
[02:32] <theFATMAN> doh
[02:32] <thompa> is there same koffice work space for kde4?
[02:33] <Tw|sT> I did manage to find a CF-to-SATA adapter, so I might go with that, but I need a really good motherboard that will not generate a lot of heat, but will run as an embedded platform indefinitely
[02:33] <theFATMAN> check newegg
[02:34] <Tw|sT> I'd like to find one thats about the size of a Thin-Client PC too, so I could start building Kubuntu based Mini PCs that will hook to HDTVs
[02:34] <Tw|sT> right on, good suggestion
[02:34] <Tw|sT> I'll check em out.
[02:34] <theFATMAN> 8.)
[02:35] <theFATMAN> 8o)
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Tw|sT: pick up a dozen Eeeboxes or so
[02:35] <theFATMAN> yeah
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> have you seen them?  they're beautiful
[02:35] <Tw|sT> not yet, but I'll run a search on that now
[02:35] <charlie5> hok, it seems i can copy the system files to a spare partition, and restore by copying them back ... not pretty, but if it works, it'll do me :) ... cheers theFATMAN, thanks for the assist
[02:35] <Tw|sT> oh wow!  I like that!
[02:36] <Tw|sT> that's perfect, infact
[02:36] <Tw|sT> hery
[02:36] <Tw|sT> err
[02:36] <Tw|sT> charlie5:
[02:36] <Tw|sT> make sure to Tarboall the directories, so that it doesn't kill the permissions
[02:36] <Tw|sT> that's the one sure-fire way to preserve them all
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16047
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> that model right there, the black one, is exactly what i need - and they're retailing at $299 for the highest-spec'd machine
[02:37] <charlie5> thanks Tw|sT ... i was going to   cp -fpr   does that not work in all cases ?
[02:41] <theFATMAN> peace...i'll check you guys l8ter
[02:52] <Tw|sT> charlie5 : cp -fpr?  do you have a URL with info on that?
[02:52] <Tw|sT> btw, I really like the looks of that Asus Ebox.  Very nice!  :)
[02:53] <Tw|sT> looks like it releases this fall.  For only $300 a pop, I may very well pick up several of those.  Once customized a bit, I bet they'd make for a really nice cluster platform... just might have to add a 2nd NIC.
[02:53] <charlie5> Tw|sT: you can get docs with    man cp
[02:53] <Tw|sT> ah
[02:53] <Tw|sT> ok
[02:54] <Tw|sT> you meant the unix command...
[02:54] <charlie5> (it's a built-in bash copmmand, i think)
[02:54] <Tw|sT> sorry
[02:54] <Tw|sT> umm...
[02:54] <charlie5> heh, np
[02:54] <Tw|sT> well...
[02:54] <Tw|sT> I imagine it would work
[02:54] <charlie5> as i said, not pretty :)
[02:54] <charlie5> but simple enuff for me
[02:55] <Tw|sT> though, I can't remember where I read it... it's been years ago now, but they basically recommended using tar instead so that this way it would preserve all permissions as well as store the backup in a compacted state.
[02:56] <Tw|sT> I use that to backup my websites & databases
[02:56] <flaccid_> rsync and tar are shiz :)
[02:56] <Tw|sT> and, it's pretty simple to do that way
[02:56] <Tw|sT> yup
[02:56] <Tw|sT> :)
[02:56] <flaccid_> i mean they are the shiz!
[02:56] <Tw|sT> yeah, they really are!
[02:58] <Tw|sT> now, personally, I use Samba to connect my linux boxes over to my win2K3 based file server, so I forego the steps of working with rsync, but that's easily just as effective if not more so, if you have an all *nix network.
[02:59] <flaccid_> thats not quite the intention of rsync and yeah you don't rsync with non unix
[02:59] <Tw|sT> Now, if I had a tape backup system, I'd probably go a totally different way
[02:59] <Tw|sT> right
[02:59] <andyho623> ok this might sound totally retarded, but can someone point me in the direction of moving junk from my home folder to a usb drive through the terminal?
[02:59] <Tw|sT> it's available out there now, but the implementation of rsync for Win32 that I saw, looked very flaky
[02:59] <flaccid_> well actually you can, so i'll correct myself. the author of rsync is also an author of samba :)
[03:00] <flaccid_> Tw|sT, yeah tar is tape archive :) rsync for syncing fs/files between systems (and on high latency)
[03:00] <Tw|sT> right.  you can combine that with Amanda Tape Backup
[03:01] <Tw|sT> I think
[03:01] <Tw|sT> or is that what Amanda uses natively?
[03:02] <Tw|sT> I've never used Amanda myself, since at my work where we have production linux systems, we use Backup Exec for unix to back up those servers to a 80TB HP EVA-SAN.
[03:02] <flaccid_> not sure about amanda
[03:02] <Tw|sT> based on the age of Amanda, it probably does use tar
[03:02] <Tw|sT> it was around back when I first started using Linux in the late 90s
[03:03] <Tw|sT> I think it used to be packaged with RH6 and up
[03:05] <Tw|sT> it's funny how things work out though... I started with Debian, went to RH, then Mandrake, then back to RH, then Fedora, then back to Debian, and now I use Kubuntu mostly (which is a Debian variant).  To me, Kubuntu/Ubuntu are a testimony to how developed Linux has become.
[03:06] <Tw|sT> especially the 64bit build
[03:06] <Tw|sT> I use Gutzy x64 on my chat server, and it's rock solid.
[03:06] <Tw|sT> and fast too!
[03:12] <coreymon77> WWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[03:12] <coreymon77> netsplit!
[03:19] <willluongo> Hello I am having problems installing Codeblocks 8.02 on Kubuntu hardy. I can't get the deb to install the packages. Any suggestions?
[03:20] <NickPresta> willluongo, what problems do you encounter when installing the deb file?
[03:22] <willluongo> Well, it brings up the package installer, but then when I click install package, it just restarts the package installer
[03:22] <NickPresta> willluongo, open up a Konsole (Alt + F2, type in konsole)
[03:22] <willluongo> ok
[03:23] <NickPresta> and install the package like this: "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb" without the quotes. Obviously replace /path/to/file.deb with the actual file
[03:23] <willluongo> Ok I'll try it
[03:23] <NickPresta> If there is an error, it should produce output and we need to see it. You can pastebin it.
[03:23] <NickPresta> !pastebin | willluongo
[03:24] <PhoenixGI> Hello
[03:25] <willluongo> NickPresto: That got it, thank you so much!
[03:25] <flaccid-> logitech just removed my post on their forum to write drivers for their webcams that don't have drivers
[03:25] <NickPresta> willluongo, congratulations! :)
[03:25] <NickPresta> hi, PhoenixGI
[03:26] <NickPresta> flaccid-, they sound like Creative almost.
[03:28] <flaccid-> they are full of it like most companies. going open source for these companies means looking like you support it with no investment of dev or support
[03:29] <NickPresta> its a shame too. in the future, these companies either need to put out or find new customers
[03:31] <flaccid-> well its a shame because the company the webcam company that supports linux properly and promotes it will get a lot of sales
[03:32] <moshe> have you tried philips webcams? or logitech? I get good resulte in kopete with both
[03:33] <flaccid-> the thing is NickPresta this dude from logitech claimed that the uvc driver works perfectly!
[03:33] <flaccid-> moshe, yes i have. and a lot of the cams in logitech, creative etc. are philips. but the range of different cam devices is much larger..
[03:35] <moshe> that is true. I use a logitech quikcam and a generic phillips with excellent results. other cams work to lesser degrees but you are correct. The company that releases their code to open source first will stand to make a killing
[03:36] <flaccid-> well have a look at http://www.quickcamteam.net/hcl/linux/logitech-webcams
[03:36] <flaccid-> he claims the uvc driver works perfectly on these models, it doesnt and google can verify that
[03:37] <moshe> I still think it is hit and miss between models for now.logitech still has a ways to go
[03:37] <flaccid-> he also says that non-uvc models are irrelevant now. yet that is heaps of models. forcing people to buy a new webcam..
[03:37] <NickPresta> flaccid-, sounds like Vista syndrome
[03:37] <flaccid-> moshe, i was just speaking to head of engineering team at logitech..
[03:38] <moshe> again, correct but remember the webcam issue is alot like the video board issue for now
[03:38] <Jucato> ---> #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:38] <flaccid-> its many things and very frustrating. the raising popularity of linux means most companies getting into it are doing it wrong and still dont' care about it or put in resources
[03:39] <flaccid-> fair enough Jucato . its quite ontopic because a lot of people use logitech webcams on kubuntu or at least try to :)
[03:39] <moshe> hopefully, that will change soon. With dell and several others throwing their hats in the ring for linux, it's only a matter of time
[03:39] <Jucato> flaccid-: close. but you're already talking about the company rather than how to get it work in Kubuntu
[03:40] <flaccid-> im talking about the problems why it doesn't work on kubuntu
[03:41] <moshe> Jucato, I am not a very good programmer at the present but I am willing to help in any way I can. I want to see seamless functionality with linux and the hardware vendors but until that time comes, I am happy to have this OS to work with
[03:45] <shadowbox> hey folks
[03:46] <NickPresta> hi shadowbox
[03:46] <shadowbox> I need your ideas
[03:46] <PhoenixGI> Hello Shadowbox
[03:46] <PhoenixGI> Go with the greenish one
[03:46] <shadowbox> and suggestions maybe both
[03:46] <shadowbox> ok will do
[03:46] <shadowbox> :o)
[03:46] <PhoenixGI> hehe
[03:47] <PhoenixGI> Course I have no idea what your talking about, soooooo... might not be the best idea or suggestion
[03:47] <shadowbox> I am starting a web site that advertizes kubuntu as the Windows alternative
[03:48] <desmond> put links to DRM and badvista
[03:48] <desmond> example
[03:48] <desmond> blog.nixternal.com
[03:48] <shadowbox> I 'have' to sell windoze as well, BUT I want to push Kubuntu louder than I am
[03:48] <desmond> ?
[03:48] <desmond> what do you mean
[03:49] <desmond> i "have:
[03:49] <desmond> no you dont
[03:49] <shadowbox> www.bytemecomputers.net
[03:50] <desmond> that your site?
[03:50] <shadowbox> I have a store front as well, but my display PC's have Kubuntu
[03:50] <shadowbox> yeah
[03:50] <shadowbox> it just went up
[03:50] <desmond> that clear acrylic blue illiminated keybored
[03:50] <desmond> is pimp
[03:50] <shadowbox> and I am putting new stuff on it as fast as I can
[03:50] <shadowbox> lol aint it though?
[03:50] <desmond> it is
[03:51] <desmond> how many you have?
[03:51] <desmond> like 1?
[03:51] <shadowbox> I am typing on the clear one now (but not the illuminated one)
[03:51] <PhoenixGI> Hmmm speaking of windows, and Kubuntu play .wmv files... what would I need to install (yes showing my new to linux self here)
[03:51] <desmond> ok
[03:51] <coreymon77> !wmv
[03:52] <coreymon77> look there
[03:52] <PhoenixGI> Thanks coreymon77
[03:53] <shadowbox> I am putting a kubuntu media PC on display as well
[03:53] <desmond> if your selling kubuntu
[03:53] <shadowbox> with a 32" visio HD TV
[03:53] <desmond> or pushing it or waht ever
[03:53] <desmond> for the blue keybored
[03:53] <PhoenixGI> Ouch... that's all that I have to do...  *sigh* should have googled first
[03:53] <shadowbox> with Myth TV
[03:53] <desmond> you dont have linux as compatable with it
[03:53] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: yup, linux isnt as hard as people make it out to be
[03:54] <shadowbox> desmond: what do you mean?
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> desmond: sure he does
[03:55] <desmond> look at the details
[03:55] <Daisuke_Ido> "or above"
[03:55] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[03:55] <desmond> haha
[03:55] <desmond> true
[03:55] <desmond> but non linux people arent going to notice that
[03:55] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: tip to find something out for linux
[03:55] <PhoenixGI> hehe coreymon77 takes some getting used to though... was fighting with nVidia Drivers most of the day.
[03:55] <desmond> put a ! infront of what you want
[03:55] <desmond> !help
[03:55] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: 1. apt-cache search it 2. google/wikipedia are your friends
[03:58] <shadowbox> desmond: check out the clear speakers in the sound section
[03:58] <PhoenixGI> looking up Apt-cache now
[04:01] <shadowbox> see it?
[04:01] <desmond> hold on
[04:02] <shadowbox> k
[04:02] <coreymon77> !apt | PhoenixGI
[04:03] <Giskard_Reventlo> Hi. Do the kubuntu kernels have inotify enabled/Installed by default?
[04:03] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: apt-cache search [keyword] in terminal searches for apt packages for that keyword
[04:04] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: sudo apt-get install [package name] installs them
[04:04] <PhoenixGI> Sorry, was busy reading, and taking notes
[04:04] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: you can also use adept if you rather it graphical
[04:04] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: although personally, i like command line apt much better
[04:04] <coreymon77> adept can crash, and then things mess up
[04:05] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 yeah, ran accross that one today also
[04:05] <desmond> haha
[04:05] <coreymon77> that why i prefer cli apt
[04:06] <coreymon77> less to crash
[04:06] <PhoenixGI> Have also come to realize, that remix should come with a warning "Not for the new" but then again, I do have it up and running and seems pretty stable
[04:08] <PhoenixGI> Coreymon77 some dpkg command, that I forgot to jot down so I better go look for it again, saved me when Adept died half way though the updates it grabed today
[04:09] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a  you talking this command?
[04:09] <PhoenixGI> ahh, here it is dpkg--configure -a
[04:10] <PhoenixGI> yeah
[04:10] <coreymon77> learn your way around command line apt
[04:11] <coreymon77> you'll be much better off
[04:11] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: and if remix did have a warning, its wouldnt be "not for the new"
[04:11] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: it would be more like "noobs stay away!"
[04:12] <coreymon77> :P
[04:12] <PhoenixGI> Coreymon77 hehe yeah that was my origianal statment, but I got yelled at on some other IRC channel one day for calling myself a noob in such a derogitory way
[04:13] <boaz> My KDE4 8.04 AMD64 system locked up, and I had to reboot. Now when I start the system I get an error message: "Malformed URL system:/"  Is there any way to fix this?
[04:13] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 since I didn't know if it was a "banned" word here I re-worded it
[04:13] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: those are the politically correct channels
[04:13] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: you can call yourself a noob as much as you want
[04:14] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 cool, truth may hurt sometimes... but its still the truth :)
[04:14] <coreymon77> yup
[04:14] <coreymon77> and the truth is
[04:14] <coreymon77> everyone, including me, once started out as a noob
[04:15] <coreymon77> as a little scared noobert affraid to ask for help
[04:15] <coreymon77> and now look at me, im the one giving the help
[04:15] <coreymon77> youll learn
[04:15] <coreymon77> just dont be affraid to ask for help
[04:18] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: okay?
[04:18] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 I do try to look things up first usally, just so you know.  Just the whole wmv thing was me being tired of google after the whole Adept lockup -  wouldn't let me install anything new incident.  Good practice though
[04:18] <coreymon77> dont be affraid to ask for help
[04:18] <coreymon77> thats all
[04:18] <coreymon77> but check out apt and google first
[04:19] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 cool thing... sorry if I'm a little slow responding, reading up on Keep.  A good backup program is probably a good idea for me
[04:24] <navetz> does scp work over ftp?
[04:24] <navetz> how can I do something like scp over ftp, is it possible?
[04:25] <PhoenixGI> SFTP
[04:26] <PhoenixGI> Technical something different then SCP but it's Secure FTP
[04:28] <navetz> PhoenixGI: my remote server only has ftp
[04:29] <PhoenixGI> navetz Not much you can do then
[04:29] <navetz> PhoenixGI: :(
[04:29] <syazdani> Hi! I'm trying to install a parallel printer, and I'm very confused.
[04:29] <flaccid-> upgrade the server
[04:30] <flaccid-> or replace it :)
[04:30] <PhoenixGI> hehe yeah there's always that choice :)
[04:32] <syazdani> Hi! I'm trying to install a parallel printer, and I'm very confused. In the print wizard, the local printers are grayed out.
[04:32] <navetz> haha, I don't wanna pay more for hosting.
[04:32] <flaccid-> my nas supports only ftp and samba + the http web gui: no secure protocol, quite pathetic - linksys nas200
[04:32] <flaccid-> navetz, oh you shouldn't have to pay more. a good host provides sftp
[04:33] <flaccid->  navetz_, oh you shouldn't have to pay more. a good host provides sftp
[04:34] <navetz_> godaddy doesn't provide sftp, but they are pretty good for the price.
[04:35] <syazdani> Hi! I'm trying to install a parallel printer, and I'm very confused. In the print wizard, the local printers are grayed out. (appologies if you are getting this twice)
[04:35] <flaccid-> godaddy is not a good host and for the same price you should be able to find sftp
[04:35] <flaccid-> syazdani, don't repeat
[04:36] <syazdani> flaccid, alright, so the previous one made it through. :) sorry, I got a message about registering, and I wasn't sure if my first (and second) msges made it through.
[04:36] <syazdani> sorry about that though.
[04:37] <flaccid-> np. syazdani http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=kubuntu+print+wizard+greyed+out&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[04:41] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: hp printer?
[04:41] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 ??
[04:41] <coreymon77> oh, whoops, wrog person
[04:42] <coreymon77> syazdani: hp printer?
[04:42] <syazdani> coreymon77: no, it's a canon.
[04:42] <coreymon77> oh
[04:42] <coreymon77> that makes it harder
[04:42] <coreymon77> !canon
[04:42] <coreymon77> !printer
[04:42] <PhoenixGI> Ahh, ok, no problem... lol funny thing is, that is next on my list to get set up.  I was looking for the mind reading interface with KDE
[04:42] <syazdani> coreymon77: I can't install any printers using kubuntu's printer wizard
[04:43] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: do you have an hp printer
[04:43] <coreymon77> ?
[04:43] <flaccid-> syazdani, how did you go checking those links?
[04:44] <PhoenixGI> Coreymon77 actually yes, was about to click on system -> hp printer toolbox
[04:44] <syazdani> flaccid: I'm installing gnome's printer wizard now, becuase the instructions there are from gnome system.
[04:44] <flaccid-> syazdani, you might also want to try running it under kdesudo
[04:44] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: yuppers
[04:44] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: thats the best way
[04:44] <flaccid-> syazdani, no need
[04:44] <syazdani> hmm, wait, I don't understand.
[04:45] <syazdani> if you go to kde's printer wizard, do you actually have the option of adding a local printer?
[04:45] <syazdani> because I don't.
[04:45] <syazdani> That seems independant of the type of the printer.
[04:45] <flaccid-> syazdani, sorry which kde version and what model canon printer?
[04:45] <shaffy> can anyone point me in the right direction for setting up a dual-monitor system on my kde3 8.04 kubuntu box?
[04:46] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: hp printers are a piece of cake
[04:46] <syazdani> I guess it is kde 3.5.8
[04:46] <syazdani> again, even if I had a nice hp printer, the kde printer wizard doesn't even give me a chance to add a local printer.
[04:47] <flaccid-> syazdani, one sec, looks like this could be any issue
[04:47] <flaccid-> any=a
[04:47] <coreymon77> syazdani: hp printers have their own setup utility
[04:47] <flaccid-> problem is kde here
[04:47] <coreymon77> syazdani: what canon printer are we talking here?
[04:47] <coreymon77> syazdani: model?
[04:48] <syazdani> It is an lbp-465. The support should be non-existent to be honest.
[04:48] <syazdani> but I was trying to give it a try.
[04:48] <flaccid-> syazdani, ok run kdesudo system-config-printer-kde
[04:48] <flaccid-> syazdani, does seem to a known problem. Riddell suggested that as per https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-March/026220.html
[04:49] <coreymon77> syazdani: yup, nonexistant, sorry
[04:49] <syazdani> right, I just installed that program.
[04:49] <flaccid-> syazdani, give it a shot?
[04:50] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: everything working fine for you?
[04:50] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 printing test page now
[04:50] <syazdani> hmm, although the program system-config-printer-gnome is not in the repository,
[04:51] <syazdani> I installed system-config-printer instead,
[04:51] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: told you hp was easy
[04:51] <flaccid-> syazdani, you should use system-config-printer-kde . but hey any of this is fine :)
[04:51] <PhoenixGI> Coreymon77 ROFL, It even tells me what the part number for the ink cartridge is..
[04:51] <syazdani> flaccid: that doesn't exist in my repository either.
[04:51] <shaffy> can anyone point me in the right direction for setting up a dual-monitor system on my kde3 8.04 kubuntu box?
[04:52] <flaccid-> !info system-config-printer-gnome
[04:52] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: yup
[04:52] <coreymon77> PhoenixGI: it also whipes your @$$ for you ;):P
[04:52] <flaccid-> syazdani, it does
[04:52] <coreymon77> lol
[04:52] <PhoenixGI> coreymon77 lol :)
[04:53] <flaccid-> shaffy, dual is not easy yet because of vendors, most people can't help or willing to spend time. try google
[04:53] <shaffy> flaccid:  can you explain/detail the issue with the vendors?
[04:53] <flaccid-> !info system-config-printer-kde | syazdani
[04:54] <flaccid-> shaffy, lack of dual support in xrandr 1.2 mainly
[04:54] <flaccid-> syazdani, should already be on the system. run the command like i initially advised..
[04:54] <syazdani> output of "sudo aptitude install system-config-printer-kde": Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "system-config-printer-kde"
[04:55] <shaffy> flaccid-:
[04:55] <shaffy> what is xrandr?
[04:55] <flaccid-> syazdani, i never asked you to install it. run it. its there already...
[04:55] <flaccid-> shaffy, google is quick and handy :)
[04:55] <flaccid-> well randr - http://www.x.org/wiki/Projects/XRandR
[04:55] <syazdani> flaccid: you want me to run system-config-printer-kde?
[04:56] <flaccid-> thats what i said initially yes
[04:56] <syazdani> I get command not found. :(
 syazdani, ok run kdesudo system-config-printer-kde
[04:56] <flaccid-> what does which system-config-printer-kde return?
[04:57] <syazdani> output of sudo.... : sudo: system-config-printer-kde: command not found
[04:58] <syazdani> I tried with kdesudo, and I got a dialog saying command not found.
[04:58] <syazdani> I am running gutsy.
[04:58] <syazdani> for the record.
[04:58] <shaffy> flaccid-: thanks :)  too bad it's so difficult to get it working.
[04:58] <flaccid-> syazdani, ok its not in gutsy so use one of the other ones
[04:59] <flaccid-> shaffy, not much difficulty here. wouldn't be difficult if there was a manual for kubuntu :)
[04:59] <syazdani> alright. I'll upgrade to the new version. I will try it again tomorrow.
[04:59] <syazdani> thanks flaccid, and coreymon77
[04:59] <coreymon77> no problemo
[04:59] <flaccid-> syazdani, you aint got any of those? should i check?
[04:59] <syazdani> flaccid: what do you mean?
[05:00] <flaccid-> you have no system-config-printer* programs at all?
[05:00] <syazdani> those commands? No. I only have system-config-printer, which I installed just now.
[05:00] <syazdani> That one seems like the interface you get from the web.
[05:01] <shaffy> flaccid-: so you are saying it is easy to set up dual monitors on kubuntu, or no?
[05:01] <flaccid-> yep you are right. the gnome and kde didn't come till after gutsy. see how you go with it and/or do the upgrade. fyi: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=system-config-printer
[05:02] <coreymon77> anyways
[05:02] <coreymon77> time to go to bed now
[05:02] <flaccid-> shaffy, it can be but usually not. it also depends on the driver you are using. if you use vesa or intel its pretty good but the restricted stuff is not straight forward, however in theory it should be.
[05:02] <coreymon77> exam tomorrow
[05:02] <PhoenixGI> Night Coreymon77, thanks for the help
[05:02] <flaccid-> ok time for lunch
[05:02] <flaccid-> i gtg
[05:02] <syazdani> good luck coreymon. Thanks again.
[05:02] <coreymon77> no problemo
[05:02] <syazdani> have fun.
[05:03] <syazdani> bed time for me too.
[05:03] <coreymon77> lol, thanks
[05:03] <flaccid-> cyas
[05:16] <maxime> yo
[05:41] <frybye> how to suppress the join and leave messages??? an irc command or...?
[05:47]  * mr--t says hi to frybye
[05:48] <frybye> hi mr--t - hows things?
[05:48] <mr--t> great and you
[05:48] <frybye> you know if there is an irc command to suppress the join/leave- channel messages...? I am fine...
[05:49] <mr--t> i'm still a chat noob so er no
[05:49] <mr--t> what client do you use
[05:49] <frybye> just early in the morning my coffee mug keeps mysteriously evaporating... I hardly get back from the kitchen with a new coffee and it seems to be empty again..
[05:49] <frybye> konversation...
[05:50] <mr--t> I tried that last night ...didn't like it
[05:52] <mr--t> frybye:   don't know if you can do that in konversation but i see setting to do that in kopete
[05:53] <mr--t> might not be a good idea though you might end up talkin to someone who left
[05:57] <Jucato> frybye: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> Chat Window -> Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[05:57] <Jucato> take note that you will also not see if the person you're talking to changed nicks
[05:59] <mr--t> Jucato: do you know how to put a space between the lines?
[05:59] <Jucato> mr--t: between what lines?
[05:59] <mr--t> the lines of text
[05:59] <Jucato> in konvi?
[05:59] <mr--t> yes
[06:01]  * mr--t found it hard to read without a space between lines
[06:01] <greendingbat> oh
[06:01] <greendingbat> you want to change the spacing?
[06:01] <Jucato> mr--t: ah that? no I don't know
[06:01] <greendingbat> mr--t: i think it would be under settings
[06:02] <mr--t> i looked but didn't find a way to do it
[06:03]  * mr--t though it would be in setting too
[06:03] <Jucato> tried changing the font sizes?
[06:04] <mr--t> did that
[06:04] <maitredesloups> hello
[06:04] <mr--t> made it a little better
[06:05] <mr--t> i just wanted a space between each line for easier reading
[06:05] <greendingbat> mr--t: you could try a different IRC client
[06:05]  * Jucato is not sure what IRC client does that though
[06:05] <ubunturos> hey Jucato
[06:05] <greendingbat> mr--t: like mIRC
[06:06] <mr--t> yes i'm using kopete now but more fits on the screen with konvi
[06:06] <Jucato> there is no IRC in kopete for kde4 btw
[06:06] <greendingbat> mr--t: kopete is a messenger, konvi is an IRC client
[06:06] <maitredesloups> Hello everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:06] <mr--t> sorry but this is kopete
[06:07] <greendingbat> mr--t: really?
[06:07] <Jucato> greendingbat: in KDE 3, Kopete has IRC support
[06:07] <greendingbat> how does that work?
[06:07] <Jucato> but not in KDE 4 (yet)
[06:07] <mr--t> yes
[06:07] <Jucato> greendingbat: very wierdly :)
[06:07] <Jucato> weirdly*
[06:07] <greendingbat> ah, i must be using KDE 4
[06:07] <greendingbat> yeah, that is wierd
[06:07] <greendingbat> it's like a regression
[06:07] <mr--t> i'm using a hybid of 3 and 4
[06:07] <Jucato> no. I meant that their IRC support is sub-optimal imho
[06:08] <moshe> there is much wierdness here!
[06:08] <Jucato> as for IRC in Kopete KDE 4, it's probably still being ported
[06:08] <Jucato> (Kopete 0.50.80 is the one for KDE 4)
[06:08] <mr--t> i gues because this is the first i saw it's why i like it
[06:08] <mr--t> i was told that konversation was better
[06:09] <Jucato> for IRC? yes
[06:09] <mr--t> but noone could tell me why
[06:09] <Jucato> it's a dedicated, no nonsense (no fancy stuff) IRC client
[06:09] <mr--t> i think i like the fancy stuff
[06:10] <Jucato> it's purpose is to be an IRC client. Kopete is a multi-protocol messenger app. IRC is just an afterthought
[06:10] <Jucato> mr--t: you like broken themes then :)
[06:10] <greendingbat> mr--t: the fancy stuff of kopete or konvi?
[06:10] <mr--t> kopete
[06:10] <Jucato> (kopete's theming is horribly broken)
[06:10]  * greendingbat agrees
[06:11] <mr--t> what do you mean by broken
[06:11] <greendingbat> but, if IRC was an afterthought, then it must not work as well
[06:11] <Jucato> mr--t: Kopete themes don't work well. Kopete doesn't work well with the global KDE themes
[06:12] <mr--t> i like how it prints out on like bar paper and everyone gets thier own header
[06:12] <mr--t> so far so good for me
[06:13] <Jucato> fancy theming is the one thing Konversation won't have (design decision, technical considerations, etc.). of course you can still have different colors and all. but...
[06:14] <mr--t> but after using this it seems all smushed together
[06:15]  * mr--t wonders if they realize hes still a chat noob
[06:15] <Jucatwo> it was quite obvious. :)
[06:15] <Jucatwo> this is me on Kopete :P
[06:16] <Odd-rationale> konversation is a really good irc client.
[06:16] <mr--t> friends don't let friends use kopete
[06:16] <Odd-rationale> but i wanted somthing to use with screen, so i found weechat
[06:17] <Jucatwo> konversation + miau = <3
[06:17] <mr--t> Jucatwo:  what
[06:17] <Odd-rationale> brb, gotta reboot
[06:17] <Jucatwo> miau is an IRC proxy/bouncer
[06:18] <Jucatwo> ew... Kopete doesn't even have an auto-join list :P
[06:19] <mr--t> a what
[06:20] <Jucatwo> mr--t: auto-join. for example, when you connect to a server (like irc.ubuntu.com), you will automatically enter into some channels you specify
[06:20] <mr--t> you can do that in kopete
[06:20] <Jucatwo> where?
[06:21] <mr--t> iv'e seen it in the settings somwhere
[06:22] <Jucatwo> mr--t: you can run commands once you're connected, so you can put there /join #kubuntu,#kde,etc etc.
[06:22] <Jucatwo> but that's hardly a real auto-join feature :)
[06:22] <Votaguz> How i can turn on AutoComplete on Konsole ? I'm in KDE4
[06:23] <Jucatwo> Votaguz: press Tab?
[06:23] <Jucatwo> (try asking in #kubuntu-kde4 if that doesn't work)
[06:24] <EIPhiGam> Hello everyone, I've got a question if anyone would like to answer! :D
[06:25] <Votaguz> yes Jucato
[06:25] <Jucato> !anyone | Electric1etchup
[06:25] <Votaguz> Jucato: i try autocomplete files names on mi system but it's  not  work,
[06:26] <Jucato> Votaguz: how are you trying to do it?
[06:26] <EIPhiGam> Well, I booted up from the Kubuntu install CD, and I saw the Kubuntu logo, etc, everything loaded, then it goes blank adn my monitor gives me an "Out of Range" error. I'm guessing the default Resolution doesn't fit my monitor, but I'm not sure how to fix this.
[06:26] <Jucato> er. sorry Electric1etchup. misdirected factoid
[06:26] <Jucato> EIPhiGam: have you tried booting into "Safe graphics mode"?
[06:26] <EIPhiGam> Jucato: I'm not sure how to do that from the CD's boot menu.
[06:27] <Votaguz> ok look, i want to uncompress a tar file, i type: " tar xzvf e [TAB] " But it's not work
[06:27] <Jucato> EIPhiGam: there should be a menu entry there in the boot menu
[06:27] <Jucato> Votaguz: what's the "e" for? and is it a .tar.gz or .tgz file?
[06:27] <Votaguz> I expect that it show me emailnotify.tar.gz
[06:27] <Jucato> aaah
[06:28] <EIPhiGam> Jucato: I see it, F4 for safe graphics mode. I'll see if that helps and let you know, I'm booting on my other PC, so shouldn't take long.
[06:28] <Jucato> Votaguz: did you put a space after 'e' before pressing tab?
[06:28] <Votaguz> And i have activated in my bash_bashrc autocompletion
[06:28] <Votaguz> no Jucato
[06:29] <Jucato> Votaguz: double check that you are in the correct directory where the tarball is and that it's named exactly emailnotify.tar.gz (or at least starts with an e)
[06:29] <Votaguz> just after 'e"
[06:30] <Votaguz> Ok Jucato Thanks
[06:30]  * mr--t scratches his head
[06:30]  * Jucato gives mr--t anti-dandruff shampoo
[06:30] <EIPhiGam> Jucato: Ah ha! I see something now! Now, will I also have to boot into safe graphics mode if I install Kubuntu as well, and will I be able to change the resolution afterwards?
[06:30]  * mr--t xd
[06:31]  * EIPhiGam has some Head & Shoulders if mr--t needs it.
[06:31] <Jucato> EIPhiGam: you can change the resolution afterwards. hopefully the installed Kubuntu would work properly
[06:31]  * mr--t wants you to fax it to him
[06:31] <EIPhiGam> Jucato: Can I change the resolution in safe graphics mode?
[06:32]  * EIPhiGam doesn't have a fax. :(
[06:32] <Jucato> EIPhiGam: I guess so
[06:32]  * Jucato has to go though
[06:32]  * mr--t scratches lower
[06:33]  * EIPhiGam doesn't have a shampoo for that...
[06:34] <EIPhiGam> Hmm, this boot-from-CD version doesn't have much I can do.
[06:34] <EIPhiGam> And its not recognizing my wireless connection :(
[06:35]  * mr--t wonders if it's a broadcom
[06:35] <EIPhiGam> Does anyone know if Firefox and/or Pidgin is compatable with Kubuntu?
[06:35] <mr--t> yes
[06:35] <EIPhiGam> Hoorah.
[06:35] <mr--t> someone knows
[06:35] <EIPhiGam> Now to somehow make my wireless work...
[06:35] <EIPhiGam> Oh. xD
[06:36] <fulat2k> EIPhiGam: what do u mean by
[06:36] <fulat2k> EIPhiGam: compatible?  i'm using it everyday with kubuntu
[06:36] <EIPhiGam> fulat2k: Well, Kubuntu isn't recognizing my wireless device.
[06:36] <mr--t> what chipset
[06:36] <micahcowan> EIPhiGam, anything that runs on Ubuntu can run on Kubuntu, no problem. The difference is in the default selection of packages installed, and really nothing more.
[06:37] <EIPhiGam> Ah, I see.
[06:37] <EIPhiGam> I've previously dabbled with Kubuntu, I'm pretty new to Linux, but I want to learn.
[06:37] <EIPhiGam> ubuntu*
[06:37] <micahcowan> Installing firefox, pidgin, will involve pulling in the GTK+ framework as well... but there are so many useful KDE and Gnome apps, you'd end up with both GUI frameworks anyway, I think.
[06:37] <flaccid__> !wireless | EIPhiGam
[06:38] <moshe> hope it's not broadcom!!!!!
[06:38] <EIPhiGam> What is Broadcom?
[06:38] <micahcowan> EIPhiGam, a manufacturer of wireless cards/chipsets.
[06:39] <moshe> the wireless chipset. most work ok but broadcom chipsets are problematic
[06:39] <EIPhiGam> Oh, no, it's a Netgear USB device, is that even worse?
[06:39] <EIPhiGam> Haha
[06:39] <micahcowan> They tend not to have good support, and you wind up needing to use ndiswrapper (an interface between the Linux kernel, and Windows drivers).
[06:39] <micahcowan> That's probably better... but I'm guessing.
[06:39] <flaccid__> netgear can be ok. check the link above
[06:40] <moshe> yep.netgear,d-link and linksys seem to work ok for me
[06:40] <EIPhiGam> Oh no, my device isnt supported. :(
[06:40] <flaccid__> model?
[06:41] <EIPhiGam> WPN111
[06:41] <flaccid__> did you google for ubuntu/linux support of that model?
[06:41] <EIPhiGam> It wasn't on the support page, but I s'pose not everything is, just a sec.
[06:42] <flaccid__> yeah after checking wiki/forums then go on to google
[06:42] <flaccid__> solution is here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/getting-netgear-wireless-usb-dongle-wpn111-atheros-chipset-to-work-on-ubuntu-6.06-515914/ looks like an atheros chip and there is info on atheros on the ubuntu wiki as well
[06:42] <EIPhiGam> Hmm, alright, seems you can get it supported
[06:43] <EIPhiGam> Does Kubuntu come with the latesnt ndiswrapper?
[06:43] <flaccid__> yep
[06:43] <flaccid__> !info ndiswrapper | EIPhiGam
[06:43] <flaccid__> hmm
[06:44] <EIPhiGam> I can simply download it right?
[06:44] <flaccid__> !info ndiswrapper-common
[06:44] <flaccid__> !ndiswrapper
[06:44] <flaccid__> yeah its in the repos as per above
[06:44] <flaccid__> info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ndiswrapper
[06:44] <EIPhiGam> I'm still new to all this, I'm gonig to go ahead and install kubuntu first.
[06:45] <flaccid__> hmm page not there
[06:46] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: the doc is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper . its straightforward, just install ndiswrapper-common then go on to the howto on that linuxquestions page
[06:46] <EIPhiGam> Thanks much, installing Kubuntu now
[06:47] <flaccid__> np
[06:47] <EIPhiGam> Good grief.
[06:49] <EIPhiGam> Partman crashed. -sigh-
[06:49] <EIPhiGam> I can't get a break.
[06:50] <flaccid__> hmm, is the disk ok?
[06:50] <flaccid__> as in both disks
[06:50] <EIPhiGam> Yep, ran XP just fine.
[06:50] <EIPhiGam> Okay, no error this time, but nothing is happening.
[06:50] <flaccid__> hmmm. goto ctrl+alt+f1 and see if it has error messages
[06:51] <EIPhiGam> nope.
[06:51] <flaccid__> you could try the alternate cd i guess
[06:51] <EIPhiGam> How do I exit the prompt?
[06:52] <flaccid__> ctrl+alt+f6 iirc
[06:52] <flaccid__> actually ctrl+alt+f7
[06:52] <EIPhiGam> Ah ha here we go!
[06:52] <EIPhiGam> :D
[06:53] <EIPhiGam> Let's see, I'm gonig to wipe XP off this disk
[06:53] <flaccid__> sounds good to me
[06:53] <EIPhiGam> lol
[06:53] <flaccid__> could be an issue reading that part or something
[06:53] <EIPhiGam> All my important files are on my other HD anyhow :D
[06:54] <flaccid__> cool
[06:54] <EIPhiGam> I love these PC/Mac commercials
[06:55] <EIPhiGam> Has anyone seen the comic mocking the commercials? There is a linux character that comes and Mac and PC both beat on him.
[06:55] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: you can share in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:56] <EIPhiGam> Sorry, excuse me.
[06:56] <flaccid__> np
[06:59] <EIPhiGam> Question: In comparison with say, XP, are Linux-OSes better at maximizing your hardware than Windows
[06:59] <micahcowan> EIPhiGam, sometimes yes, sometimes no.
[07:00] <micahcowan> In particular, the situation is made difficult by hardware manufacturers who keep details as closely-guarded secrets, making it difficult to write FOSS that takes full advantage of it.
[07:01] <EIPhiGam> I see. This computer I'm installing it on is a bit older, Pentium 4, etc, still nice though. I bought my new PC when I thought this other computer was failing, but I was able to save it somehow.
[07:01] <EIPhiGam> I'm hoping Linux will run better on it than XP was running.
[07:11] <EIPhiGam> Now hopefully, Kubuntu will run in normal graphics mode without giving me lip!
[07:15] <EIPhiGam> It will not let me choose a screen resoluution higher than 800x600.
[07:15] <EIPhiGam> It must have rebooted me into safe graphics mode again...
[07:15] <EIPhiGam> -sigh-
[07:18] <EIPhiGam> Now by default, do I have to isntall new drivers for my specific graphics card?
[07:18] <EIPhiGam> In order to get higher resolutions?
[07:30] <martinjh99> Morning - Following nixternals blog entry to install kde4.1 beta and when doing apt-get dist-upgrade its not pulling in the KDE4 stuff.
[07:30] <martinjh99> What do I need to install to pull in KDE4?
[07:33] <theseinfeld> martinjh99 what version do you have?
[07:33] <theseinfeld> 8.04?
[07:33] <theseinfeld> if hardy, just add backports :)
[07:33] <martinjh99> yup
[07:33] <martinjh99> Kubuntu obviously ;)
[07:33] <theseinfeld> :D
[07:34] <theseinfeld> just add the backports to the sources.list
[07:34] <martinjh99> I'm wanting the new 4.1.0 Beta packages...
[07:34] <theseinfeld> 4.1.0
[07:34] <theseinfeld> hmm
[07:34] <theseinfeld> i think it is 4.0.4 in the backports
[07:35] <martinjh99> http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.06.05/hardy-kde-41-beta-1-completed/
[07:35] <theseinfeld> then, just add that deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main to your sources list
[07:35] <theseinfeld> and you are set
[07:36] <martinjh99> I did - Actually apt-get install kde4 seems to be working not the instructions on the blog post!
[07:36] <theseinfeld> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[07:36] <theseinfeld> it has the list of the packages
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> martinjh99: /join #kubuntu-kde4
[07:49] <Sakui> http://www.basehead.org/download.php?id=21850 Thunderbird wallpaper.
[07:58] <EIPhiGam> Hazah!  WPN111 Success!
[07:59] <flaccid__> nice one
[08:03] <EIPhiGam> Anyone know how to get Kubuntu to recognize my Monitor can support higher resolutions than 800x600?
[08:03] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: you can't increase it in system settings?
[08:04] <EIPhiGam> Nope.
[08:04] <EIPhiGam> It has 800x600 as the highest setting
[08:04] <flaccid__> what video card
[08:04] <EIPhiGam> Hmm, good question, its and nVidia
[08:04] <EIPhiGam> I think 6200
[08:04] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: goto hardware drivers in system settings and see if you can enable the restricted driver
[08:04] <EIPhiGam> Okay.
[08:05] <EIPhiGam> I don't see hardware drivers anywhere
[08:09] <EIPhiGam> Any idea why I am unable to view hardware sdrivers?
[08:09] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: did you find it in system settings? maybe its under restricted drivers depending what version
[08:09] <flaccid__> is this kde3?
[08:09] <EIPhiGam> I'm using 8.04, and it was not an option in System Settings
[08:10] <EIPhiGam> umm, It is whatever came with 8.04
[08:10] <flaccid__> which iso did you use
[08:10] <EIPhiGam> iso says KDE4
[08:10] <EIPhiGam> :)
[08:11] <flaccid__> rigght. goto alt+f2 and do a kdesudo jockey-kde
[08:12] <EIPhiGam> I see
[08:12] <EIPhiGam> nvidia_new enabled but not in use
[08:13] <flaccid__> um re-enable it and see what happens
[08:13] <EIPhiGam> so disable the enable again?
[08:13] <flaccid__> yep if you can
[08:13] <EIPhiGam> alright
[08:13] <EIPhiGam> Still says Not in use
[08:14] <flaccid__> it should do somethig hopefully to set it up
[08:16] <flaccid__> after that is should say restart required
[08:17] <flaccid__> it it doesn't, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:17] <EIPhiGam> is pastebin a command?
[08:17] <flaccid__> !pastebin
[08:19] <EIPhiGam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17131/
[08:20] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia as well?
[08:20] <EIPhiGam> Sure
[08:21] <EIPhiGam> Its not very long..
[08:21] <EIPhiGam> It just added 2 lines in the prompt
[08:22] <flaccid__> you can paste up to 3 lines here no worries
[08:22] <EIPhiGam> okay.
[08:22] <EIPhiGam> ii nvidia-kernel-common                        20051028+lubuntu8
[08:22] <EIPhiGam> NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[08:23] <EIPhiGam> That's all it gave me
[08:24] <flaccid__> its an nvidia 6200?
[08:24] <flaccid__> !nvidia
[08:24] <EIPhiGam> Im pretty sure it is
[08:24] <emonkey> lspci|grep VGA
[08:25] <EIPhiGam> ok
[08:25] <EIPhiGam> yep nVidia Geforce 6200
[08:25] <EIPhiGam> Thanks emonkey.
[08:25] <sensae> Hello
[08:26] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: can you install these two packages now: nvidia-glx-new and linux-restricted-modules
[08:26] <EIPhiGam> How do I do that? Can I download them now that I am on the net on that PC?
[08:26] <flaccid__> yep
[08:26] <flaccid__> !adept | EIPhiGam
[08:29] <EIPhiGam> updating packages..
[08:29] <EIPhiGam> flaccid__: I appreciate the help by the way. :)
[08:32] <EIPhiGam> Okay, downloading, I think I did it right.
[08:32] <flaccid__> np
[08:32] <flaccid__> after its downloaded you should be able to do a sudo nvidia-xconfig or go back to hardware drivers to enable
[08:33] <EIPhiGam> its taking awhile to download the stuff.
[08:33] <EIPhiGam> About 60% now
[08:33] <flaccid__> yeah it would be a bit because its nvidia blob
[08:33] <EIPhiGam> Goodness....24,000 different thing I could install...?
[08:34] <flaccid__> yeah and thats just the packages
[08:35] <zorglu_> EIPhiGam: only 10% of them are infected :)
[08:35] <flaccid__> hehe
[08:35] <zorglu_> EIPhiGam: pick carrefully :)
[08:35] <EIPhiGam> infected? Meaning viruses?
[08:35] <zorglu_> EIPhiGam: i meant that, bu ti was kidding. there are no virus at all
[08:36] <EIPhiGam> zorglu_: Better not be pulling my leg. :-P
[08:36] <zorglu_> EIPhiGam: virus are super rare on linux and nobody ever seen any package with a virus
[08:36] <zorglu_> EIPhiGam: :)
[08:36] <EIPhiGam> Okay, reboot required. Lets reboot the system
[08:36] <flaccid__> oky
[08:38] <EIPhiGam> I think I'll also install WINE before I reboot.
[08:38] <EIPhiGam> That's the Windows simulator right?
[08:39] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: yeah sudo apt-get install wine && winecfg
[08:43] <EIPhiGam> rebooting
[08:44] <souljaslimm> What's good room
[08:44] <flaccid__> !ot | souljaslimm
[08:45] <EIPhiGam> flaccid__: What do I do once kubuntu has restarted?
[08:45] <flaccid__> have fun hopefully
[08:45] <EIPhiGam> Will I be able to go and use my nvidia stuff right away?
[08:46] <flaccid__> stuff?
[08:47] <sebatny> kde4
[08:47] <EIPhiGam> I still cant change my resolution. :(
[08:47] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf now please
[08:47] <Rozza> How do i get wine installed
[08:48] <flaccid__> !wine | Rozza
[08:48] <Rozza> using apt-get..
[08:48] <Rozza> or something
[08:48] <flaccid__> Rozza: if you read it will tell
[08:49] <EIPhiGam> The file has yet to change
[08:49] <flaccid__> Rozza: sudo apt-get install wine && winecfg
[08:49] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: can you show dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia now please
[08:51] <Rozza> E: Couldn't find package wine
[08:51] <flaccid__> Rozza: thats why you read the article which advises the repos you need first :)
[08:51] <Rozza> it doesnt explain anything..
[08:52] <flaccid__> are you sure?
[08:52] <Rozza> i cant even find symtic
[08:52] <Rozza> or however its spelt
[08:53] <flaccid__> i just checked the link and it explains it in full from about the 10th line down under "Installing Wine"
[08:53]  * flaccid__ gets out a spoon
[08:53] <Rozza> i mean the rep
[08:53] <Rozza> reps
[08:53] <flaccid__> sorry whats symtic
[08:53] <flaccid__> do you know how to manage repos?
[08:54] <Rozza> not really..
[08:54] <Rozza> im new to kubuntu
[08:54] <flaccid__> you open adept manager and goto the  menu - manage repositories
[08:54] <Rozza> i only ever used to use ubuntu..
[08:54] <flaccid__> !adept | Rozza
[08:55] <flaccid__> or just follow steps from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine#head-3acca7686806077923c05fa38c442e856ffacc54 for the solution
[08:55] <EIPhiGam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17134
[08:56] <Rozza> wtf..
[08:56] <Rozza> ozza@Computer:~$ sudo apt-get install wineE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?rozza@Computer:~$
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> !fixapt | Rozza
[08:56] <flaccid__> !adeptfix | Rozza
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> i always get that wrong :(
[08:56] <flaccid__> its one of the ones i get right :)
[08:57] <Rozza> yay
[08:57] <Rozza> its downloading
[08:57] <Rozza> =)
[08:58] <Rozza> before, i coudent use linux, but today, i got my modem, and it has ethernet port, so i can =D
[08:58] <flaccid__> sweet as
[08:58] <Rozza> =)
[08:58] <Rozza> and wireless
[08:58] <EIPhiGam> flaccid__: Did you see anything wrong in my nvidia settings?
[08:59] <flaccid__> its using vesa driver and the restricted driver was not installed
[08:59] <flaccid__> sorry looking at paste now
[08:59] <Rozza> now to see if i can run mirc...
[09:00] <flaccid__> Rozza: ouch :)
[09:01] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: driver is installed now it seems did you run sudo nvidia-xconfig after you installed it or try selecting from hardware drivers manager?
[09:01] <EIPhiGam> I see, how do I change it to use the restricted driver then?
[09:01] <EIPhiGam> i didnt run the sudo
[09:01] <EIPhiGam> Should I do that now?
[09:02] <flaccid__> do that now and then check /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see if "vesa" is changed to "nvidia" , if not we can do manual..
[09:02] <EIPhiGam> i hate this single click crap!
[09:02] <EIPhiGam> >_<
[09:02] <flaccid__> we could of added the monitor resolution to xorg.conf or changed in krandrtray but you dont' get 3d or performance on vesa using nvidia card..
[09:03] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: yeah you can disable that
[09:03] <EIPhiGam> Okay, it ow says using nvidia
[09:03] <EIPhiGam> And how do I disable that?
[09:03] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: disable what and what says using nvidia
[09:03] <flaccid__> ?
[09:04] <EIPhiGam> flaccid__: Disable single click opening everything to make it use double click like windows, and the xorg config file now says using nvidia as the driver
[09:04] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: um its in system settings somewhere i think trying to remember. #kde should be able to say
[09:05] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: well in theory you can now logout to the login screen, from the dopdown select restart X server and it should then restart with nvidia driver
[09:06] <EIPhiGam> ok, restarting
[09:06] <EIPhiGam> or rather logging out
[09:07] <EIPhiGam> AHH!
[09:07] <EIPhiGam> YES!
[09:07] <EIPhiGam> nvidia!
[09:07] <EIPhiGam> Good large resolution!
[09:07] <EIPhiGam> :D
[09:07] <flaccid__> sweet as
[09:07] <Rozza> Thanks
[09:07] <Rozza> =)
[09:07] <Rozza> and,
[09:07] <flaccid__> no worries :)
[09:08] <Rozza> how do i enable/get vnc serv
[09:08] <flaccid__> !vnc | Rozza
[09:08] <EIPhiGam> oi, time to upgrade everything that needs upgrading
[09:08] <flaccid__> cool
[09:08] <EIPhiGam> crap.
[09:09] <Rozza> im getting this error again,
[09:09] <Rozza> : Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:09] <Rozza> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:09] <flaccid__> nixternal: see that fail of nvidia out of box hmm
[09:09] <flaccid__> !adeptfix | Rozza
[09:09] <Rozza> thx
[09:09] <Rozza> p
[09:09] <Rozza> =p*
[09:10] <flaccid__> apt or dpkg or something is not dying gracefully if you can't see one open
[09:10] <EIPhiGam> Note to all: Do not try to edit display settings via Kubuntu Display settings thing or your monitor will go out of range for some crazy reason
[09:11] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: thats not the same for everyone. it depends on your monitor and vid card and also the driver in use + there are some bugs in the gui program!
[09:12] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: goto alt+f2 and run krandrtray and then right click the tray icon. you might like that for res changing
[09:12] <flaccid__> also xrandr -q will show possible resolutions and rates
[09:12] <Mrcina> hi
[09:12] <Mrcina> online?
[09:12] <flaccid__> howdy
[09:13] <Mrcina> i have prob.. :S idk how to up connection on cable modem 5100 surfboard
[09:13] <Mrcina> on kubuntu..
[09:14] <flaccid__> Mrcina: plug it in and then see what is required by your isp perhaps PPPoE in bridged. or they might route it via dhcp on the firmware auto..
[09:14] <flaccid__> !pppoe | Mrcina
[09:19] <Rozza> so uh
[09:19] <Rozza> how do i start vnc serv...
[09:21] <flaccid__> rozza: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH#head-9b7a927bae2e58b78e405f569c55487719520ab7
[09:22] <xmanwe> Mrcina: what country are you living in? :)
[09:22] <flaccid__> Rozza: x11vnc might be better and easier: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/x11vnc and the easiest is the native desktop sharing in kde
[09:23] <flaccid__> not in hardy x11vnc is in the repos so you only have to install it then run it
[09:23] <flaccid__> not=note
[09:23] <flaccid__> i gtg, catchyas later
[09:23] <eagles0513875> hey
[09:24] <EIPhiGam> Good grief now my wireless wont work after a simple restart
[09:25]  * Mrcina slaps xmanwe around a bit with a large trout
[09:25] <Mrcina> bosnia bro
[09:25] <Mrcina> :)
[09:25] <Mrcina> Bosnia and Herzegovina ;)
[09:31] <EIPhiGam> Thanks for you're help all, bedtime finally.
[09:44] <Rozza> so uh
[09:44] <Rozza> i start vnc how?
[09:44] <Rozza> >_>
[09:44] <Pennycook> Rozza: To start a vncserver, run "vncserver"
[09:47] <Rozza> shoudent there be an icon?
[09:50] <Sakui> how do I change the port for sshd?
[09:52] <itay> Just installed kubuntu 8.04. I need root password and how to start ssh server
[09:53] <PhilRod> !root
[09:53] <eagles0513875> !ssh
[09:53] <PhilRod> hrm, no bot?
[09:53] <Sakui> root has no password and locked down
[09:54] <Sakui> itay: try sudo passwd -u root
[09:54] <Sakui> i think
[09:54] <Sakui> then sudo passwd root
[09:59] <Pennycook> itay: You won't need the root password.
[09:59] <itay> Yep, Funny thing. No root password.
[10:00] <itay> However can not su -
[10:00] <itay> since not in wheel group.
[10:00] <itay> Thanks.
[10:00] <Pennycook> itay: Having a root password is a security risk, I'd recommend sticking with sudo.
[10:01] <Sakui> how do you restart the openssh daemon?
[10:02] <PhilRod> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart ?
[10:02] <Sakui> oh
[10:02] <needhelp> hi anyone can help me with enabling tls/ssl in proftpd?
[10:04] <PhilRod> Sakui: not sure, but that would be my first guess
[10:05] <Sakui> needhelp: installing openssl would be my first guess ;)
[10:05] <Sakui> thanks PhilRod
[10:06] <itay> Any mechanism to manage services?
[10:07] <PhilRod> itay: systemsettings->advanced->system services, it seems
[10:11] <xmanwe> how can i change the size of desktop icons? they're really huge and i cannot find where to change it..
[10:12] <Pennycook> xmanwe: systemsettings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Advanced.  You can set the size of all your icons there.
[10:13] <xmanwe> hell.. blindness.
[10:14] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:15] <itay> How can I add users?
[10:15] <eagles0513875> itay: look under system settings
[10:15] <eagles0513875> there is an add users option
[10:16] <eagles0513875> there u can specify permissions and what not
[10:18] <xmanwe> well, and is there any way how to turn off the default kubuntu bootsplash? in case when i want to see only system outputs...
[10:19]  * EIPhiGam sighs.
[10:20] <EIPhiGam> So, to whoever is around, I just updated Kubuntu with a lot of updates, and suddenly the internet connection config utility has disapeared from my taskbar.
[10:20] <Pennycook> EIPhiGam: Have you tried running it again? "knetworkmanager"
[10:21] <EIPhiGam> Just typed it in, nothing is coming up.
[10:22] <Pennycook> ps ax | grep knetworkmanager - is there one running?
[10:22] <EIPhiGam> It says could not find usr/bin/networkmanager
[10:22] <Pennycook> Does it have a k there?
[10:23] <EIPhiGam> Where?
[10:23] <EIPhiGam> When I do the terminal input
[10:23] <Pennycook> Well you said "usr/bin/networkmanager", but I said to run "knetworkmanager"
[10:23] <EIPhiGam> I didi/
[10:23] <EIPhiGam> Sorry, I forgot the k
[10:24] <Pennycook> Okay, was just checking. I suppose you could try sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager, then
[10:24] <EIPhiGam> funny, I see knetworkmanager there though
[10:24] <EIPhiGam> And in the terminal it lists it
[10:26] <Pennycook> So it's there in ps ax, but you can't run it?  Try "sudo killall knetworkmanager", followed by "/usr/bin/knetworkmanager"
[10:26] <EIPhiGam> Ahh there we go
[10:26] <EIPhiGam> Odd that it wasnt showing up on startup anymore
[10:27] <Pennycook> EIPhiGam: I think if you right click it in the system tray and tell it to quit, you'll be asked if you want it to run on startup.
[10:31] <EIPhiGam> Yes, thank you, now I have to wait for ndiswrapper to kick in.
[10:31] <EIPhiGam> It always takes a long time to work for some reason.
[10:35] <Rozza> What do i use to get into my windows dedicated server?
[10:35] <Rozza> what program,
[10:35] <david__> terminal server client
[10:36] <Rozza> is that installed already or?
[10:37] <david__> which OS r u using?
[10:37] <Rozza> kubuntu ?
[10:40] <david__> K-menu-->internet-->go down to Terminal server client__use correct parameters and passwords to go through.
[10:40] <Rozza> parameters?
[10:41] <Rozza> and there is no terminal server client..
[10:43] <david__> sorry__u have to download it first.
[10:45] <Rozza> How, Where
[10:46] <david__> go to K-menu-->system-->adept manager-->and look for the software u require.
[10:47] <nikos> hello
[10:47] <david__> going to lunch
[10:48] <nikos> need some help with compiz:P
[10:48] <nikos> i installed compiz on ubuntu 8.04 and i have only 3 workspaces
[10:49] <nikos> how can i have more?
[10:53] <ylhaoran> ???
[10:59] <elsinore> hi
[10:59] <jussi01> hi
[11:06] <frybye> Hi all... lag?
[11:07] <eagles0513875> hey
[11:08] <frybye> whats up eagles0513875 ??
[11:08] <eagles0513875> nm here at work in eeepc channel trying to figure out how to setup a short cut
[11:08] <eagles0513875> its totally not kubuntu related
[11:08] <eagles0513875> frybye: what can i try to help ya with today
[11:11] <eagles0513875> frybye:
[11:13] <frybye> havn't dreamed up my problems today yet.. ehehe
[11:14] <frybye> am doing a knowledge-swap with a linux system engineer later today anyhows.. he gets engl. conversation and me kubuntu instruction/helo...
[11:14] <frybye> we might be fixing    cheese -
[11:14] <frybye> e e /help...
[11:15] <Sakui> is it possible, for a windows computer talks to a linux via remote desktop?
[11:15] <frybye> i am on a xp machine right no - so no way to try anything much..
[11:15] <eagles0513875> Sakui: u can with putty and ssh
[11:15] <frybye> Sakui - perhaps if the remote linux is running a windows rem- application in wine or..?
[11:16] <eagles0513875> Sakui: u can even load the desktop on a windows machine and its like remote desktop
[11:16] <frybye> <--- is relatively clueless.. so beware.. heheh
[11:16] <Sakui> lol
[11:18] <Pennycook> Sakui: If you install something like TightVNC on the Windows box, you can connect to a Linux vncserver.
[11:19] <eagles0513875> Pennycook: could also ssh usiing putty and u can even start an x session with putty on teh remote machine
[11:19] <eagles0513875> *you the
[11:20] <Sakui> well, I use Teamviewer for windows
[11:20] <frybye> what would be the name of a linux/kub- appt to allow full accest with a remote destop from one linux to another linux??
[11:20] <ybit> what's the command to set the default login manager to kdm3?
[11:20]  * ybit forgets
[11:20] <eagles0513875> !remote
[11:20] <frybye> so that a person with ability could fix a wobbely/broken system remotly for instance..
[11:20] <frybye> ??
[11:20] <eagles0513875> !remotedesktop
[11:21] <Sakui> startkde
[11:21] <eagles0513875> !remote desktop
[11:21] <eagles0513875> frybye: seems like it already comes installed
[11:21] <eagles0513875> what ever it is
[11:21] <frybye> somebody know the name??
[11:22] <frybye> (I am on an xp box here at work just now so cant go looking...)
[11:22] <eagles0513875> frybye: on linux its called krdc
[11:22] <frybye> eagle.. ok - thanks...
[11:22] <eagles0513875> no prob
[11:23] <frybye> c u folks - I am going to walk around a bit to get the knots outa my spine - sitting here too damn long hehhe
[11:23] <ybit> !kdm
[11:24] <ybit> !kdm3
[11:24] <eagles0513875> !info kdm
[11:24] <ybit> !get rid of kdm4 :P
[11:24] <eagles0513875> !kde
[11:24] <ybit> until 4.1 atleast :)
[11:26] <ybit> and there's a certain wizard that one can run which allows you to select the effects level, and type of control (unix, kde, mac, windows)
[11:26] <ybit> anyone know the name of it?
[11:27] <ybit> kpersonalizer
[11:28] <Sakui> how can I see what services are loaded?
[11:28] <ybit> Sakui: ksysguard
[11:29] <ybit> hmm, i know this has been answered in here once
[11:30]  * ybit wasn't logging at the time :|
[11:36] <flaccid__> EIPhiGam: did your wireless get fixed, was that you?
[11:36] <kamel> hi all, I'm on kubuntu 6.06 and I can't get mp3 files to play
[11:37] <kamel> my kubuuntu machine has no interne card so I'm looking for a hassle-free offline solution
[11:37] <flaccid__> kamel: do you have a kubuntu dvd?
[11:38] <kamel> no it's a cd
[11:38] <flaccid__> thats why i asked. i don't believe the cd comes with the codec, can someone correct me?
[11:38] <kamel> what should i do?
[11:41] <flaccid__> you need the package libxine-extracodecs and/or mpeg321 . so you need the internet to get them..
[11:41] <flaccid__> unless you have a dvd
[11:42] <flaccid__> kamel: i will check a livecd. is that what you have a dapper desktop cd?
[11:42] <kamel> what about other media players?
[11:43] <kamel> yes
[11:43] <flaccid__> they all share the one codec which is non free thus not shipped with ubuntu..
[11:44] <kamel> so i'm out of luck?
[11:44] <Rozza> Whats the name for c complier
[11:44] <flaccid__> you on the internet atm, so i don't see the problem unless you don't have any media to copy it onto..
[11:44] <Rozza> sudo apt-get install c++ ?
[11:45] <flaccid__> !build | Rozza
[11:45] <Rozza> k
[11:45] <kamel> the machine i'm on right now only has windows, no apt.
[11:47] <flaccid__> kamel: this is the kubuntu support channel, not windows. goto ##windows
[11:48] <acetoline> Rozza: it's gcc, but you need to specify a version
[11:48] <acetoline> also g++
[11:49] <flaccid__> Rozza: you probably won't build-essential at the end of the day to cover other things but yeah otherwise depends which c compiler you are talkign about
[11:49] <Pennycook> kamel: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/allpackages You can download packages from there.
[11:49] <kamel> can I get the files and somehow transfer them to the kubuntu machine? how?
[11:49] <flaccid__> Pennycook: the computer does not have networking
[11:49] <flaccid__> and i don't know why it can't just copy. and now he advises he has windows lol
[11:50] <flaccid__> oh my apologies. yes download directly and copy to the box in question. sorry
[11:50] <kamel> oh I get it now
[11:50] <flaccid__> i will link you to the ones you need?
[11:51] <kamel> I didn't realize I could just copy the files, I was thikning along the lines of windows
[11:51] <kamel> thanks
[11:51] <flaccid__> kamel: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libxine-extracodecs and
[11:51] <flaccid__> um i think thats it
[11:51] <Pennycook> kamel: Once you have the .deb packages, you can install them using dpkg.
[11:52] <kamel> ok, so what packages do I need?
[11:52] <th_shdw> hi??
[11:53] <flaccid__> kamel: i just gave you the link! if you are x86 its http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/i386/libxine-extracodecs/download for download
[11:53] <th_shdw> hi?
[11:53] <th_shdw> lo??
[11:53] <kamel> oh thanks
[11:53] <flaccid__> th_shdw: sup?
[11:53] <Pennycook> th_shdw: We can see what you're saying.  If you have a question, just ask. :)
[11:53] <th_shdw> oh! pheww
[11:54] <kamel> thx for the help flaccid and PennyCook
[11:54] <th_shdw> na I am fine, thx
[11:54] <flaccid__> np
[11:56] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: what up dog
[11:56] <flaccid__> seems i have a ghot
[11:56] <flaccid__> +s
[11:56] <eagles0513875> !ghost
[11:57] <flaccid__> yeah i know that :) i want to find the process on my box dang
[11:58] <flaccid__> a netstat -tap should find
[11:59] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:59] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: u try amarok 2 yet
[12:00] <flaccid__> yep sure have
[12:00] <eagles0513875> what u think
[12:00] <eagles0513875> im loving it
[12:00] <eagles0513875> especially now that u  dont need kde4 libs to run it
[12:00] <eagles0513875> speaking of i need to get cracking on writing the article
[12:00] <eagles0513875> on amarok 2
[12:00] <flaccid__> um its ok but how do you change the appearance?
[12:01] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: there is a separate thing to configure it
[12:01] <eagles0513875> either that or it has yet to be implemented
[12:02] <flaccid__> ah rightio
[12:03] <florian_> Hi! Is there meanwhile a solution to save the session in kde4 so it get restored when starting?
[12:04] <flaccid__> florian_: #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 help. session manager in system settings florian_
[12:06] <florian_> flaccid__: The thing is: in session manager there is no button to save the session :-(
[12:07] <flaccid__> there is no apply button?
[12:07] <poy_poy> hi
[12:07] <poy_poy> can someone help me with a printer problem. i have ubuntu 8.04 and im useing a hp photosmart p1000 but i cant print anything. but if tell it to print a test page it will print that. anyone any ideas to whot is the problem with it.
[12:08] <florian_> I can change to "restore manually saved session" (or what it's named in english) and then press "Apply", but the session is not stored at anytime. I'm missing the button from kde3 (i think it was in the kde-menu: store session)
[12:09] <flaccid__> oh you want to store session manual. not sure if that is available yet askin the appropriate chans #kde and #kubuntu-kde4
[12:16] <florian_> ok, thanks
[12:18] <poy_poy> if im asking in the wrong place can someone please point me the right way thanks
[12:19] <Dr_willis> poy_poy,  check the cups logs for a start -  would be a good idea.
[12:19] <Dr_willis>  - /var/log/SOMTHING :)
[12:19] <colzani> hi people, my kaffeine dont play dvd with libdvdcss, mplayer works fine, i need help
[12:20] <colzani> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.5 for DVD access
[12:20] <colzani> libdvdread: Attempting to use device /dev/sda2 mounted on / for CSS authentication
[12:20] <colzani> libdvdread: Could not open /dev/sda2 with libdvdcss.
[12:20] <colzani> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/sda2 for reading
[12:20] <colzani> libdvdread: Device /dev/sda2 inaccessible, CSS authentic
[12:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm,. why would a dvd disk be /dev/sda2...
[12:20] <Dr_willis> It may be /dev/sda
[12:21] <colzani> sda2 is my /
[12:21] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: do u have card reader or something
[12:21] <ziarkaen> yeah, its trying to decode your hdd
[12:21] <colzani> sda3 /home
[12:21] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  i have several. :)
[12:21] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: the sda2 is probably one of the card slots
[12:22] <colzani> with smplayer, the dvd works fine
[12:22] <ziarkaen> look in /etc/fstab to determine your optical drive
[12:22] <colzani> ok
[12:22] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  not on my laptop. - of course those are built in readers...  :)
[12:22] <colzani> is /dev/scd0
[12:22] <Dr_willis> Im guessing that colzani  your program is looking at the wrong device.
[12:23] <Dr_willis>  scd0  makes more sence.
[12:23] <colzani> in kaffine looking for /dev/dvd
[12:23] <colzani> i will change
[12:23] <Dr_willis>  - /dev/dvd is normally a link to the proper dvd device
[12:23] <ziarkaen> settings -> xine engine parameters
[12:24] <ziarkaen> then the media tab
[12:25] <colzani> same problem
[12:26] <colzani> same error
[12:26] <ziarkaen> i believe /dev/dvd is a symlink to the actual device. will look into it.
[12:27] <colzani> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-06-05 07:38 /dev/dvd -> scd0
[12:28] <eagles0513875> at least u have permissions to use it
[12:28] <Dr_willis>  try a ls -k /dev/sdc0
[12:28] <Dr_willis> oops scd0 :)
[12:28] <Dr_willis> dang typos..
[12:29] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/scd0
[12:29] <colzani> brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-06-05 07:38 /dev/scd0
[12:30] <colzani> my user is in a cdrom group
[12:31] <ziarkaen> It can't hurt to try it as root: "sudo kaffeine"
[12:31] <colzani> ziarkaen: ok
[12:33] <colzani> i use kdesu kaffeine, wheb clic in play dvd, itsclose
[12:33] <colzani> no error message
[12:34] <ziarkaen> run from command line to catch error messages
[12:35] <colzani> colzani@colzani-laptop:~$ sudo kaffeine
[12:35] <colzani> ERROR: Communication problem with kaffeine, it probably crashed.
[12:35] <colzani> colzani@colzani-laptop:~$
[12:35] <ziarkaen> use --verbose
[12:35] <colzani> same message
[12:36] <ziarkaen> try "killall kaffeine & sudo kaffeine --verbose"
[12:37] <colzani> kaffeine dont start with sudo
[12:37] <colzani> only user
[12:38] <ziarkaen> sorry, use "kdesudo kaffeine --verbose"
[12:38]  * Dr_willis decides to go to his local ISP office and unplug THEIR machines every 30 sec...
[12:40] <colzani> its open, but close when i clic on play dvd
[12:40] <colzani> no error message at terminal
[12:42] <colzani> my kubuntu installed recent, in saturday, in my new notebook, and updated
[12:43] <Pici> Why would you want to start kaffeine with sudo?
[12:44] <colzani> with sudo
[12:44] <theFATMAN> if i install the linux server image for my system to optimize quadcore performance, that won't affect the xserver or kde, will it?
[12:44] <colzani> ERROR: Communication problem with kaffeine, it probably crashed.
[12:44] <flaccid__> you do not run kaffeine with sudo
[12:44] <ziarkaen> this forum post seems to be useful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=801771
[12:44] <flaccid__> no reason to
[12:45] <myk_robinson> hey. Does the KDE4 remix now include 4.1, or will that have to be pulled through updates?
[12:45] <flaccid__> myk_robinson: negative
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Its the older - as far as i know.
[12:45] <flaccid__> only beta 1 is in pkgs atm
[12:46] <myk_robinson> thanks
[12:46] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: i having a weird issue atm
[12:46] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: im trying to compile audacity from souce when i do ./configure it dont work  for me get an error
[12:47] <eagles0513875> says that the c compiler cannot create executables
[12:47] <Dr_willis> Install the C compiler packages? :)
[12:47] <eagles0513875> and those pkgs would be
[12:47] <eagles0513875> i have the gcc already
[12:47] <flaccid__> !build | eagles0513875
[12:47] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  install 'build-essential' for a start.
[12:47] <jaakkome> Can anyone recommend an easy way to set up a ftp server?
[12:47] <flaccid__> build-essential
[12:47] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:47] <flaccid__> jaakkome: install openssh-server and use sftp
[12:48] <Dr_willis> I agree -  down with ftp.. up with sftp
[12:48] <eagles0513875> down with the world
[12:48] <eagles0513875> down with the internet and computers lol
[12:48] <eagles0513875> :p
[12:48] <Dr_willis> given the quality of my connection this week.... DOWN is the normal state
[12:49] <flaccid__> haha
[12:49] <macpaulos> Ello all
[12:49] <eagles0513875> configure: error: Audacity requires libsndfile to be enabled how on earth do i remedy this
[12:50] <jaakkome> Okay, I installed openssh-server... how do I set it up :]
[12:51] <macpaulos> k noob here, 1 hour of using ubunto. trying to get my dvb working and won't let me put something in the /lib/firmware folder....says i'm not the owner....N E 1 know how?
[12:51] <Dr_willis> macpaulos,  with the proper use of the 'sudo' command to allow root access to system files.
[12:51] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: any ideas as to my issue with configure: error: Audacity requires libsndfile to be enabled
[12:51] <Dr_willis> sudo cp WhATEVER whever
[12:52] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  install the  libsndfile*-dev package.
[12:52] <macpaulos> aha, thanks Dr_willis, i'll try that
[12:52] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  and proberly a dozen+ other dev packages.
[12:52] <eagles0513875> for the love of god u serious
[12:52] <eagles0513875> just to install audacity from source
[12:53] <theFATMAN> if i install the linux server image for my system to optimize quadcore performance, that won't affect the xserver or kde, will it?
[12:53] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  theres a REASON people dont like to use source.
[12:53] <flaccid__> jaakkome: its set up. you use your username to log in ie. system users
[12:53] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  depending on the app. There can be quiet a few dev packages needed
[12:54] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: i need practice for my certification exam
[12:54] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: why you need source version out of interest?
[12:54] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  ./configure - read error.. install next dev package... repeate.. :)
[12:54] <flaccid__> oh
[12:54] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: practice compiling from source i need to know how for my linux certification exam
[12:54] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  or theres some apt command that can grab the dev-src for the package and all nddede dev-dependencies.
[12:54] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: compile kde then :)
[12:55] <eagles0513875> maybe i will when im not working my behind off
[12:55] <Dr_willis> practice doing './configure, make, sudo make install'   -) :)
[12:55] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: yeah but what specifically do you need to know. there is no standard in build in unix
[12:55] <flaccid__> Dr_willis: hehe yeah
[12:55] <eagles0513875> just the steps
[12:55] <eagles0513875> this first exam they say is the hardest out of all of them
[12:56] <flaccid__> yeah well the closest to a standard is those two steps, don't need to practice them :)
[12:56] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:56] <Dr_willis> http://www.monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[12:56] <eagles0513875> ./configure make make test make install
[12:57] <eagles0513875> only problem with that link is im on kde lol
[12:57] <eagles0513875> :p
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Dosent matter.
[12:57] <_Angelus_> guys
[12:57] <eagles0513875> at some point ill try compile kde4.1 from source
[12:57] <eagles0513875> might do that tonight or tomorrow
[12:57] <_Angelus_> will something happen if i don't include joliet on a dvd rom?
[12:57] <da> I lost my kdm theme, anyone know how to get it back?
[12:58] <da> I really have no clue what I did to botch it up
[12:58] <macpaulos> i'm trying to copy a file from the desktop to the /lib/firmware folder.....doing something really wrong.plz help
[12:58] <da> macpaulos: You root?
[12:58] <Dr_willis> macpaulos,  sudo cp FILENAME /lib/firmware
[12:59] <macpaulos> sorry da not sure what u mean...been using for 1 hour :S
[12:59] <macpaulos> tanks dr_willis
[12:59] <eagles0513875> which package is wxWidgets in
[12:59] <eagles0513875> im using apt-cache search and there are a ton of em
[12:59] <Dr_willis> !find wxwidgets
[12:59] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: try the pakages.ubuntu.com search :)
[12:59] <da> Oh and can you adjust the theme for like kate as the root users?, so I can tell I am root by the qt theme?
[12:59] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  try apt-cache search ITEMNAME | grep dev
[12:59] <flaccid__> file search is on the website
[13:00] <eagles0513875> lol i need to practice using grep lol
[13:00] <eagles0513875> keep forgetting bout grep
[13:00] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  grep pattern   :)
[13:00] <Dr_willis> da run the kde theme manager tool as root. with kdesu, or similer, and change the theme.. i THINK works..
[13:00] <eagles0513875> u all thought it was pointless to compile from source
[13:01] <eagles0513875> givning me gd practice from various aspects of linux
[13:01] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: im a freebsd person. i would never say that..
[13:01] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  i never said it was pointless.. theres a reason people dont do it.
[13:01] <meta> Hi all
[13:01] <da> Dr_willis: nah cause it changes my normal users theme as well
[13:01] <meta> what is the name of that script/program that automatically mounts the local harddrives
[13:01] <meta> in the livecd?
[13:01] <eagles0513875> you guys saying if i wanted to compile from source that i might as well be using dpkg
[13:02] <Dr_willis> da Hmm.. ive not tried it in ages.. I used to have a different theme/colors for root. vs ones for the users.. It may bee one can only change colors.
[13:02] <eagles0513875> and have that headache of having to pull lots of dependencies
[13:02] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  if you want to compile somthing.. you will need all its dependencies.. no matter how you go about it.
[13:02] <Dr_willis> So do what you want. :)
[13:03] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: i need practice not to mention it will give me practice using grep lol
[13:03] <macpaulos> paul@HP-UBUNTU:~$ sudo cp firmware_v2.tgz /lib/firmware
[13:03] <macpaulos> cp: cannot stat `firmware_v2.tgz': No such file or directory ....sorry to keep banging on about this minor thing
[13:04] <Dr_willis> I think more 'reading' of a grep book.. will help with the grep stuff...
[13:04] <da> I just need something to remind me when I am running something as root
[13:04] <Dr_willis> macpaulos,  use the proper path to the file.. and it proberly has to be uncompressed also.
[13:04] <eagles0513875> da: u will need to sudo quite alot so it will eventually stick
[13:04] <da> macpaulos: cp can't find the file you are trying to cp...  You need the correct path
[13:04] <Dr_willis> macpaulos,  cp /path/to/whatever/file /lib/firmware
[13:05] <meta> !automount
[13:05] <meta> :(
[13:05] <eagles0513875> !info automount
[13:05] <eagles0513875> !mount
[13:05] <Dr_willis> da you can set a root prompt easially.  - You might  be able to set the kde windows in a diffrent colour when they get ran as root.
[13:05] <eagles0513875> !mount | meta
[13:05] <da> Just to edit a text file from time to time, and I have kate open in another window not as root... I edit a file as the normal user by mistake and create double work
[13:05] <macpaulos> if the file is on my desktop, what would the path be?
[13:05] <da> Really annoying
[13:05] <meta> no, thats other what i search
[13:05] <Pici> macpaulos: ~/Desktop
[13:05] <eagles0513875> da: that use kdesu
[13:05] <Dr_willis> macpaulos,  /home/username/Desktop
[13:05] <da> May just use vim in a shell
[13:05] <meta> eagles0513875: i need that script/program that automatically mounts the local harddrives
[13:06] <macpaulos> nice one
[13:06] <meta> i'm sure that it has no gui, and it's not problem
[13:06] <eagles0513875> meta: i wish i knew how to script i would write one for ya but im a total noob in regards to scripting
[13:06] <da> eagles0513875: I 2 windows for kate one that is sudoed and the other that is not...
[13:06] <Dr_willis> script to mount internal hard drives? or external usb ones?
[13:06] <Dr_willis> why not just edit the fstab file?
[13:06] <meta> eagles0513875: sure, but why if it already written?
[13:06] <meta> Dr_willis: no
[13:07] <da> I forget which is which and end up editing in the wrong one
[13:07] <meta> i have installed ubuntu on my pendrive
[13:07] <da> cause I am in a hurry
[13:07] <eagles0513875> da: you can use vim but its quite advanced and rather powerful tool
[13:07] <meta> and i want it to auto mount up every drive that it founds
[13:07] <eagles0513875> meta: didnt know that it was already written
[13:07] <flaccid__> meta: /etc/fstab ?
[13:07] <Dr_willis> vim is worth learning. :)
[13:07] <da> eagles0513875: yeah VIM is annoying I know
[13:07] <meta> independent from the hardware
[13:07] <da> eagles0513875: I have played with it
[13:07] <eagles0513875> da: im doing my linux cert and i have had to use it lol
[13:07] <eagles0513875> has a whole chapter dedicated to vim
[13:07] <flaccid__> !fstab | meta
[13:07] <meta> no fstab is the solution. please forget that:)
[13:07] <meta> no fstab is the solution. please forget that:)
[13:07] <meta> 2xt*
[13:07] <meta> :)
[13:08] <eagles0513875> :)
[13:08] <da> I am not in school.... I am in Iraq and don't have the resources all you may have lol
[13:08] <flaccid__> meta: what?
[13:08] <eagles0513875> da: well i appreciate what u doing for the country
[13:08] <meta> flaccid__: AUTO
[13:08] <da> Thanks, but in the meantime I'll google until I puck
[13:08] <meta> did you know what does it mean?:)
[13:08] <da> puke
[13:08] <eagles0513875> da: if u need any commands i am reading my linux exam book and i hav esome commands that i can help ya with if u need
[13:09] <eagles0513875> da: try this google.com/linux
[13:09] <da> I just need something noticable and simple to tell me what window I am on
[13:09] <eagles0513875> for all ur linux comp needs
[13:09] <eagles0513875> da: u know u have multiple desktops u can click on on the right side
[13:09] <meta> fstab is also for auto okay. But it depends on a hardware
[13:09] <meta> but i'm not always on the same. I need that prog that mounts automatically the harddrives in the livecd...
[13:09] <meta> i just don't know it's name:)
[13:09] <flaccid__> meta: don't shout. fstab is for auto.
[13:09] <da> I know I have multiple desktops, btu the fact remains I use the title bar at the bottom
[13:10] <eagles0513875> da: u want a pop up in the middle of the screen when u change to tell you which desktop you are on
[13:10] <da> So... I was trying to make it idiot proof for the days I get in a hurry
[13:10] <eagles0513875> *you
[13:10] <flaccid__> meta: so what you do is 1. listen 2. add the pendrive to fstab and done.
[13:10] <eagles0513875> da: i hear what your saying
[13:10] <meta> flaccid__: so what you do is 1. read 2. help if you can.
[13:11] <da> Especially the days I am tired
[13:11] <flaccid__> meta: i just helped you. what do you want me to do exactly?
[13:11] <meta> read again what i need:)
[13:11] <meta> and where iam.
[13:11] <flaccid__> you want a pendrive to automount on boot?
[13:11] <eagles0513875> meta: u want to auto mount right
[13:11] <meta> flaccid__: no.
[13:11] <flaccid__> auto mount every drive found?
[13:11] <eagles0513875> he wants to automount is hd's
[13:11] <meta> i have written down a lot of times my problems before. Please read me back
[13:12] <flaccid__> meta: a script that searches for drives connected and mounts them?
[13:12] <meta> yeah!
[13:12] <flaccid__> horray
[13:12] <da> I just open a shell in kate and cp the file to the correct spot with sudo
[13:12] <Dr_willis> cant just write a script that has 'mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1'  and so on?
[13:12] <flaccid__> meta: what was the google search result? kubuntu doesn't have anything like that
[13:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:13] <meta> flaccid__: one thing is i'm on console now, another (for Dr_willis ) it's already written.
[13:13] <meta> ubuntu livecd does this if you boot it up
[13:13] <eagles0513875> meta: google.com/linux searches all linux related pgs
[13:13] <Dr_willis> meta you want one that 'searches for ' and mounts  all Internal disks.  - to be exact?
[13:13] <meta> i just thought that soembody knwos it's name (i hoped it's an init script)
[13:13] <da> I wonder if compiz-fushion will work with a intel 965 card?
[13:14] <flaccid__> meta: you sure you don't mean it mounts available parts on the local hard disks?
[13:14] <eagles0513875> flaccid__:
[13:14] <Dr_willis> I have seen various tools that let the user click to mount drive entries in the fstab.    I thought kde and gnome allready had such a feature once you clicked on a drive in the Places/Computer:  areas.
[13:14] <eagles0513875> doesnt a normal boot mount all drives automatically
[13:14] <flaccid__> something that searches for things like pendrives attached is different i think
[13:14] <flaccid__> um i think the livecd will mount your local parts iirc
[13:15] <meta> iirc on kublivecd i had /media/hdxy-s
[13:15] <meta> and in thats my dirves contents
[13:15] <da> Hmm come to think about it my cdrom drive won't automount like it used to
[13:15] <meta> hmm, can be easier if i ask it in the devel channel?
[13:15] <meta> they should know:)
[13:15] <flaccid__> meta: well i thought you meant other drives like usb etc.
[13:16] <flaccid__> meta: already asked there
[13:16] <da> permission denied and in the cdrom group...
[13:16] <meta> and? Does anybody know the ansver?
[13:16] <flaccid__> meta: someone there has said that the livecd does not do that
[13:16] <meta> but i remembers other:(
[13:17] <flaccid__> meta: you must be referring to hald wich will automount the local media it can
[13:17] <Dr_willis> live cd does NOT mount the internal drives automatically
[13:17] <flaccid__> yeah, meta is talkinga about hald
[13:17] <Dr_willis> at least not the ubuntu live cd's :)
[13:17] <Dr_willis> but i thought they did mount them when you clicked on their icons
[13:18] <flaccid__> yeah i've heard of some distros doing it but i've always mounted manual to circumvent a system
[13:18] <flaccid__> yeah the click etc. would hook up to hald i assume and thats not a script that does it auto on boot as meta wants. meta must think its on boot or something but its user based as per hald on login
[13:19] <meta> No.
[13:20] <flaccid__> meta: well there is no script on the livecd that does what you claim.
[13:20] <flaccid__> i remember myself i have always had to mount manually
[13:21] <eagles0513875> im becoming grep happy
[13:21] <meta> flaccid__: have you tried the hardy livecd?
[13:21] <flaccid__> try awk now eagles0513875 :)
[13:21] <flaccid__> meta: yeah
[13:21] <eagles0513875> !info awk
[13:21] <meta> I exactly remember that i don't needed it:(
[13:22] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: i have no idea what the awk programming language is
[13:22] <meta> hmm i need to boot back to my kubuntu for some googling:(
[13:22] <flaccid__> meta will if you goto #kubuntu-devel and talk to ScottK he will advise it doesn't do it
[13:22] <meta> Okay
[13:22] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: google :) awk rocks
[13:22] <meta> and maybe he can know another way
[13:22] <meta> Or does anybody knows another way to do this?
[13:23] <flaccid__> fstab. the first thing we all said. sure you have to put the /dev/* in there but thats the best practice..
[13:23] <flaccid__> otherwise you user mount in your kde session with hal
[13:23] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: one thing at a time im still dicking round with dev dependencies and audacity
[13:24] <meta> fstab isn't good solution
[13:24] <flaccid__> meta: and why not?
[13:24] <meta> because i don't know what i has on different machines
[13:24] <flaccid__> meta: what do you mean?
[13:24] <meta> as i said, i'm on a pendrive
[13:24] <meta> that can be booted up anywhere
[13:24] <meta> somewhere just one partition on one disk
[13:24] <eagles0513875> meta: is it quite easy to setup a pen drive with linux
[13:25] <meta> somewhere 3 disks with 20 partition
[13:25] <meta> eagles0513875: not that is the question:D
[13:25] <flaccid__> in that case, there is disks and filesystems in system settings, use hal to automount/mount on click or finally, write a shell script. what else could you need?
[13:25] <flaccid__> nah the pendrive is his linux desktop
[13:25] <eagles0513875> meta: im impressed how they got xandros derivative to work on the asus eee pc
[13:25] <flaccid__> i carry one on my keyring like you meta..
[13:25] <eagles0513875> on a ssd memory card
[13:26] <meta> anyways, flaccid__  and Dr_willis  you are won:)
[13:26] <eagles0513875> im buying one 4gb one for bout 15 euros if not less then that
[13:26] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: kubuntu runs on that
[13:26] <meta> i remembered wrong as Scottk said:(
[13:26] <flaccid__> meta: i am won? is that good?
[13:26] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: i would rather try it on this machine then spend bout 500 euros for an eee pc
[13:26] <eagles0513875> 2 laptops is enough for me
[13:26] <meta> the point of my problems it's not matters
[13:26] <da> the the eee any good?
[13:27] <meta> the point of my memory it's aproblemD:
[13:27] <flaccid__> well its a sub notebook . quite dif ball game/use etc.
[13:27] <eagles0513875> da: was working on one today i like it great system but the problem is getting the os installed on ssd
[13:27] <flaccid__> meta: oh well disks and filesystems,hald and fstab should be all you need. so good luck..
[13:27] <eagles0513875> ssd's r the limitation but performance is great with the distro that it comes with
[13:28] <eagles0513875> im addicted to x64 kubuntu
[13:28] <flaccid__> someone is yet to give me a eee. im on an asus w1000na notebook. oh yeah.
[13:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: they rnt that expensive
[13:29] <eagles0513875> their wikis  r a mess
[13:29] <eagles0513875> keyboard is way to small hard to type
[13:29] <eagles0513875> limited on software
[13:29] <da> lol
[13:29] <da> but cheap
[13:29] <eagles0513875> yep
[13:29] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: yeah but i just need a requirement to get one..
[13:29] <da> get what ya pay for
[13:29] <da> i guess
[13:29] <dru__> sup guys
[13:30] <eagles0513875> but come on dont get me wrong u can turn any pc in a way into a eee
[13:30] <Greenery> is it okay if i add the new linux kernel version in my grub list manually?
[13:30] <eagles0513875> if u have a memory card reader or a usb key
[13:30] <flaccid__> lol no you cant
[13:30] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: thought u could if u have the initrd and what not
[13:30] <flaccid__> um its a sub-notebook. its about portability and costing less than a notebook...
[13:30] <eagles0513875> *you
[13:30] <Dr_willis> hard to shave  weight off a pc.
[13:30] <flaccid__> yeah but thats not the point of the eee pc at all. the sd card is irrelevant to the user
[13:30] <eagles0513875> would love to use a pen drive to turn my other laptop into a linux box and not having to wry bout messing up windows
[13:31] <dru__> hummmmmmmm
[13:31] <dru__> windoze
[13:31] <dru__> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[13:31] <Pennycook> eagles0513875: Then you can?
[13:31] <eagles0513875> doc u can shave off weight of a pc lol put linux on a pen drive
[13:31] <eagles0513875> Pennycook: ?
[13:31] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: i carry a 4gb one on my keys which is handy for installing linux randomly or desktop required, documents, sysadmin etc.
[13:31] <Pennycook> eagles0513875: Keep a Linux installation iso on your pendrive, or make an installation pendrive.
[13:32] <flaccid__> a usb key is just a usb bridged onto an sd card..
[13:32] <flaccid__> yeah the persistent usb on the wiki is pretty good
[13:32] <eagles0513875> could it be done to where u just boot off of it and use it like a live cd kinda thing
[13:32] <Dr_willis> I have Puppylinux on several pendrives.
[13:32] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: exactly
[13:32] <flaccid__> !persistent
[13:32] <da> I got a runny nose and a headache
[13:33] <dru__> *dru looses all his work with a live usb installation key
[13:33] <eagles0513875> i took some extra strength pills
[13:33] <minhaaj> !wuber
[13:33] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: have fun.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[13:33] <eagles0513875> !wubi | minhaaj
[13:33] <da> I read about wuber
[13:33] <helpy> oh good eagles0513875
[13:33] <dru__> !repositorys
[13:33] <flaccid__> !repos | dru__
[13:33] <dru__> !repos
[13:33] <dru__> whoa thanks flaccid
[13:34] <flaccid__> np
[13:34] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: is the hizzle for shizzle
[13:34] <dru__> what about like adding repos from a different distro ....backtrack repos .... just for the source stuff
[13:35] <flaccid__> hehe
[13:35] <da> Does anyone have problems with ipods and linux/kubuntu?
[13:35] <da> I need some music over here
[13:35] <flaccid__> !ipod
[13:35] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:35] <dru__> i read something that there are "security tools" repos for instance in the deb "nubuntu"
[13:36] <dru__> cant find their repos tho
[13:36] <flaccid__> never heard of that unless you mean something else
[13:36] <flaccid__> !mp3
[13:36] <dru__> network ubuntu
[13:36] <flaccid__> like that
[13:36] <Pici> dru__: Its probably just stuff thats in the regular repos, but pre-installed on that variation
[13:36] <flaccid__> nubuntu repos huh?
[13:36] <dru__> .....dru digs for his documentations
[13:37] <dru__> they have no community
[13:37] <dru__> theres like 2 peeps in their irc room who never make a sound
[13:37] <flaccid__> like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217954
[13:37] <Pici> dru__: http://www.nubuntu.org/installed.txt
[13:37] <da> But way to learn things is to shut up a listen I guess
[13:38] <da> Read other people's problems
[13:38] <dru__> ummm yeah flaccid ....just see no one knows
[13:38] <dru__> :D
[13:38] <flaccid__> and http://forums.nubuntu.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10 im just googling
[13:38] <flaccid__> lol well whats the point and what is this thing meant to be ?
[13:38] <da> I wonder if kde4 is working well?
[13:38] <flaccid__> just sounds like a re-distribution attempt
[13:39] <eagles0513875> man this is a headache
[13:39] <Pennycook> da: KDE 4.0.3 (the version offered by the KDE 4 remix) is fine and I didn't have any problems with it.  There are a few problems in upgrading to the 4.1 beta, but that's what #kubuntu-kde4 is for.
[13:39] <dru__> well its a runner up to backtrack ....debian based of course ....but yeah they ....recently were working on getting their repos up since i found a thread with one of the devs asking how to do that
[13:39] <da> Motrin curess all headaches
[13:39] <eagles0513875> next thing i wanna try compile from source is apache2
[13:39] <eagles0513875> or bind9 or sendmail
[13:39] <dru__> *dru sips his coffee
[13:39] <eagles0513875> flaccid__:  doc willis is caught in the revolving door
[13:40] <da> I have a real slow internet connection so I am comtemplating
[13:40] <flaccid__> dru__: and the point of it is?
[13:40] <dru__> terminal based hacking tools
[13:40] <da> Coffee sounds really good right now
[13:40] <eagles0513875> da: how slow
[13:40] <flaccid__> to hack what?
[13:40] <flaccid__> and which tools?
[13:40] <dru__> you want a list ?
[13:40] <brian88> hi... is there any good internet download manager & accelerator for Linux...???
[13:40] <eagles0513875> brb
[13:40] <flaccid__> sure
[13:40] <dru__> i made on by hand
[13:40] <da> It is a crappy insecure wireless network the Iraqis sell at $65 per month
[13:40] <Pici> http://www.nubuntu.org/installed.txt  <--- That is the list of packages in nubuntu
[13:41] <da> They think it is top of the line
[13:41] <brian88> hi... is there any good internet download manager & accelerator for Linux...???
[13:41] <flaccid__> maybe the better question. what can nubuntu do that ubuntu can't?
[13:41] <da> Took me forever to use it... My wireless drivers weren't included in a cd install
[13:42] <eagles0513875> back
[13:42] <dru__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17196/ thats the backtrack software contents
[13:42] <da> download the driver source from another computer, and complile a module
[13:42] <brian88> hi... is there any good internet download manager & accelerator for Linux...???.
[13:42] <eagles0513875> da: u know how to enable them in restricted hardware manager on desktop
[13:42] <dru__> nubuntu isnt really anything special ...just it has software...that i cant find in our repos for instacne
[13:42] <da> brian88: kget works for me
[13:43] <brian88> @da : is that makes the download fast?
[13:43] <brian88> @da : like IDM, Download Accelerator Plus etc
[13:43] <da> eagles0513875: I know... but I needed a patched version of the ath_pci module and it wasn't the default
[13:43] <flaccid__> dru__: and what is stopping you from installing from them?
[13:43] <brian88> @da : and can it integrate with Opera
[13:44] <eagles0513875> da: u have atheros
[13:44] <da> brian88: oh idonno I use firefox
[13:44] <da> yeah but it was the AG5006 card
[13:44] <helpy> how do i add ktorrent into linux firewall ?
[13:44] <da> I needed to patch some source code and compile a module
[13:45] <dru__> they are lpm ....mostly according to the bt room remote expliot ...some msi ....either way i would have not the faintest idea of getting their repos (id like to rip the whole thing ) muahahahaha
[13:45] <helpy> i mean add to exceptions
[13:45] <da> and this computer had th rt8171 usb card
[13:45] <da> I pick the wrong stuff sometimes
[13:45] <flaccid__> dru__: what a wasted conversation
[13:46] <dru__> heh
[13:46] <eagles0513875> seems like new fglrx driver update is out
[13:48] <eagles0513875> im still having some issues
[13:48] <eagles0513875> with the compiling from source
[13:48] <Dr_willis> You wanted practice... :)
[13:48] <dru__> no just see ...backtrack runs fine just you do it all in root so i have this feeling that its kinda very open ....and since its installer is worth diddly ....everything being installed by hand... i now have it running under vbox...where i can get its gslapt.get working and find its repos ....however since slaptget requires an internet connection ...and thats something i cant let it have since backtrack is pretty ilegal here in
[13:48] <dru__> germany...i have to find a way to cover my action as a harmless kubuntu system
[13:49] <eagles0513875> dru__: what is backtrack
[13:49] <dru__> its been rated the worlds number one hacking distro
[13:49] <dru__> based on slax
[13:49] <eagles0513875> dru__: lol
[13:49] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: u aroun
[13:49] <Dr_willis> wow.. rated by.... err..... whom?
[13:49] <eagles0513875> *you around
[13:49] <flaccid__> sup
[13:50] <Dr_willis> so its slax + a bunch of preinstalled pckages.. :) one could make a Haxorbuntu!
[13:50] <flaccid__> one could install it on any distro. its linux.
[13:50] <dru__> now were talking
[13:50] <eagles0513875> where on earth do i find LIBSAMPLERATE
[13:50] <brian88> [Important] Adept says that my database is locked... how to fix it?
[13:50] <Pici> !adeptfix | brian88
[13:50] <eagles0513875> !fix | brian88
[13:51] <eagles0513875> brian88: what pici said
[13:51] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  its in the repos...
[13:51] <brian88> @thanks ubottu
[13:51] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  rember the apt-cache search PATTERN | grep dev
[13:51] <Dr_willis> libsamplerate0-dev - development files for audio rate conversion (libsamplerate)
[13:51] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: i instaled it but its  still showing as disapled
[13:51] <eagles0513875> ive been doing that
[13:51] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/source/libsamplerate
[13:51] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  no idea on that.
[13:52] <flaccid__> have fun!
[13:52] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  you did isntall the library AND the dev package?
[13:52] <eagles0513875> i still having issue with make
[13:52] <eagles0513875> just the dev pkgs
[13:52] <dru__> Haxorbuntu
[13:52] <dru__> hmmm
[13:52] <dru__> more like its to learn terminal syntax better ....
[13:53] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: ya i did
[13:53] <dru__> with like the shiny carrot dangling at the end of hacking my server
[13:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:53] <eagles0513875> hack hack hack dru__
[13:53] <flaccid__> anyway this is kubuntu support channel #kubuntu-offtopic for offtopic
[13:53] <dru__> okay
[13:54] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:54] <eagles0513875> this is bs
[13:54] <dru__> yeah well the more we  get in our distro the better right
[13:54] <antoine_> Bonjour o/
[13:54] <eagles0513875> !fr | antoine_
[13:54] <antoine_> Hello =)
[13:55] <eagles0513875> oh whoops
[13:55] <eagles0513875> apologies
[13:55] <flaccid__> eagles0513875: i'd be suprised if this doesn't cover your requirements: sudo apt-get install libsamplerate0 libsamplerate0-dev samplerate-programs
[13:55] <flaccid__> dru__: #kde-devel for that
[13:55] <dru__> thanks flaccid
[13:55] <flaccid__> np
[13:56] <reese> what problems can I have if the isdnutils don't start?
[13:56] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: was missing one out of those 3
[13:57] <flaccid__> i doubt the last one gives you what you need but ok
[13:57] <eagles0513875> flaccid__: still isnt working
[13:58] <flaccid__> pastebin the actual output, can't judge it from what you said
[13:58] <eagles0513875> for the love of god why wont this work
[13:59] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[14:00] <brian88> where can I download and install kget. in adept it is not listed. how about gnomeget/gwget, which one is faster..???
[14:00] <eagles0513875> i need to reboot my machine
[14:00] <da> Is LVM2 worth using?
[14:00] <da> brian88: I have no clue.. You know wget has a -c option to continue
[14:01] <da> I erased dolphin now konqueror doesn't work right lol
[14:01] <da> I thought I wouldn't need it if konqueror is still there
[14:01] <brian88> @da : where can I download kget???
[14:02] <da> brian88: let me see if I can find it
[14:02] <reese> after the upgrade, it won't load the nvidia driver. so if I use the nv driver, start KDE with it, edit xorg.conf to 'nvidia' and restart X, it works
[14:02] <reese> what could this be?
[14:02] <da> brian88: Did you update and is your sources.list uptodate?
[14:02] <flaccid__> !info kget
[14:02] <da> brian88: apt-cache search kget gives the result
[14:02] <flaccid__> brian88: enable universe
[14:03] <brian88> i have enabled all, flaccid__...
[14:03] <brian88> @da : okay, i'll try it
[14:03] <da> brian88: then update
[14:03] <da> brian88: If that doesn't work recheck
[14:04] <da> brian88: it is there believe me
[14:04] <flaccid__> brian88: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache madison kget <-- whats that say?
[14:04] <brian88> brian@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install kget
[14:04] <brian88> Reading package lists... Done
[14:04] <brian88> Building dependency tree
[14:04] <brian88> Reading state information... Done
[14:04] <brian88> E: Couldn't find package kget
[14:04] <brian88> brian@ubuntu:~$
[14:04] <brian88> couldnt find
[14:04] <Pici> !paste | brian88
[14:04] <da> brian88:  you sources.list then...
[14:05] <da> hardy took 4 hours to download lol
[14:05] <brian88> @ubottu : sorry for this
[14:05] <eagles0513875> back guys
[14:05] <eagles0513875> da what kinda connection u on
[14:05] <eagles0513875> brian88: ubottu = bot
[14:05] <brian88> konversation has already remind it :))
[14:05] <da> A very bad one appearantly
[14:05] <eagles0513875> lol i love when people start apologizing to the bot
[14:05] <eagles0513875> da: what exactly though
[14:06] <da> 54 mps unsecure wireless I am wishing I had a modem
[14:06] <da> Good thing I didn't want to play with gentoo today...
[14:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:07] <eagles0513875> well consider urself luck where i am here in europe 2 mpbs down 256 up 10gb monthly download
[14:07] <eagles0513875> and during day bandwith is restricted
[14:07] <eagles0513875> to dl hardy took me bout the same amnt of time
[14:07] <brian88> @3agles0513875 : sorry i am new in this channel :))
[14:07] <da> I am glad and proud to be an American...
[14:07] <da> Everybody is is WEIRD lol
[14:08] <eagles0513875> and 2ndly takes bout 8 9 hrs to dl 900mb patch for world of warcraft
[14:08] <eagles0513875> da: i am an american
[14:08] <eagles0513875> parents r from this end of the pond
[14:08] <eagles0513875> so i know what its like to be on comcast
[14:08] <da> AH living abroad
[14:08] <eagles0513875> brian88: no prob
[14:08] <eagles0513875> da: have family here and studying for a bsc in computing and information systems
[14:08] <eagles0513875> and working on linux certification from linux professional institute
[14:09] <da> ah I am tired of traveling... But in anycase Opera any good?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> !tar
[14:10] <da> I miss the era of bootsplash... My consoles could have pictures
[14:10] <brian88> @flaccid__ and @da and @eagles* and anyone else : http://paste.ubuntu.com/17203/
[14:11] <flaccid__> brian88: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:11] <eagles0513875> brian88: would help ya out working on some issues of my own
[14:12] <eagles0513875> !source
[14:12] <eagles0513875> ffs thats not what i want
[14:12] <brian88> @flaccid > okay
[14:12] <Odd-rationale>  /join #gnome
[14:12] <Odd-rationale> whoops
[14:13] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:13] <eagles0513875> #gnome
[14:13] <Odd-rationale> not in a kde channel! ;)
[14:13] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:14] <brian88> @flaccid : http://paste.ubuntu.com/17204/
[14:14] <Dr_willis>  /j #gnomeIsForKids
[14:14] <eagles0513875> i wanna hack kubuntu like no other
[14:14] <eagles0513875> make a new distro based of it
[14:14]  * Dr_willis weeps at the abuse of the term hack.
[14:14] <eagles0513875> !dependencies
[14:14] <eagles0513875> !info dependencies
[14:15] <eagles0513875> flaccid: something is messed up
[14:15] <Pici> eagles0513875: Are you looking for what a certain package depends on?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> now make is working
[14:15] <eagles0513875> Pici: dont think i need it
[14:15] <Dr_willis>  You could read the URL given above about having apt  install the source/dependencies needed to compile somthing.
[14:16] <flaccid> brian88: can you goto manage repos in adept and disable all of them, apply then go back to manage repos and enable all you need including universe (re-check them and make sure universe is checked) then apply
[14:16] <eagles0513875> Pici: what does this mean
[14:16] <brian88> @flaccid : ok
[14:16] <Pici> eagles0513875: What does what mean?
[14:16] <eagles0513875> pici make: *** [audacity] Error 2
[14:16] <eagles0513875> i ran ./configure
[14:17] <brian88> @flaccid : well done...
[14:17] <da> arg
[14:17] <flaccid> thanks
[14:17] <da> I can't connect to a website with konqueror
[14:18] <brian88> @flaccid : all works now! thanks! great!
[14:18] <da> Can download firefox though
[14:18] <flaccid> sweet as
[14:18] <brian88> @flaccid : btw, there are Aria, D4X, gwget, kget, which one is faster
[14:18] <eagles0513875> brian88:
[14:18] <brian88> sorry, I mean fastest
[14:19] <eagles0513875> to get someones attention just type their name plus tab to complete it and it will make it red for that person
[14:19] <eagles0513875> that way they know who ur talking bout
[14:19] <flaccid> brian88: um not sure. i don't use em. i use hardware for speed not software..
[14:19] <eagles0513875> Pici:
[14:19] <eagles0513875> Pici: some things are disabled but i have installed them and they are still showing up as disabled
[14:19] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17205/
[14:20] <eagles0513875> flaccid: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17205/
[14:20] <brian88> flaccid: but which one do you feel can boost download speed? bcoz internet here doesn't have hi-speed. maybe next month I will change ISP...
[14:20] <Pici> eagles0513875: What does it show in the make errors?
[14:20] <eagles0513875> yes just one
[14:21] <flaccid> brian88:  no idea. i don't know how they would boost anyway really. its a debatable topic
[14:21] <eagles0513875> pici this is the error i get make: *** [audacity] Error 2
[14:21] <Pici> eagles0513875: Does the INSTALL file say to use a different make method?
[14:21] <eagles0513875> ?
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: there has to be something about that
[14:21] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  you could try    ' sudo  apt-get build-dep audacity '
[14:21] <brian88> flaccid: hmm, okay. btw, thanks to the eagles* for the red-text trick :))
[14:21] <eagles0513875> ok will try that Dr_willis
[14:22] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  we suggested that some time ago. :)
[14:22] <flaccid> red text trick?
[14:22] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: u did probably so many people suggestion stuff lol i over looked it
[14:22] <eagles0513875> my bad guys
[14:22] <eagles0513875> me puts build-dep in head
[14:23] <brian88> flaccid: yes, that one which makes the text red : [20:19] <eagles0513875> to get someones attention just type their name plus tab to complete it and it will make it red for that person
 !source
 You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[14:23] <eagles0513875> brian88: you got it
[14:23] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: i know how to fetch sources just the dependency issues were my problem
[14:23] <eagles0513875> if i wanted to deal with all dependencies i would have used dpkg
[14:24] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  that url gave the    trick to getting all the dependencies FOR a source compile.
[14:24] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: oh
[14:24]  * eagles0513875 doh
[14:24] <brian88> flaccid: how come? kget is 70MB... which one should I choose? aria or d4x? which one is better
[14:24] <Dr_willis> it scans the src.deb packages.. and grabs the needed packages to compile the thing. :) which is exactly what you are wanting to do.. only you are using the tar.gz  source i giuess
[14:25] <eagles0513875> well the extracted tar
[14:25] <flaccid> oh brian88 yeah if its done client side so its konversation that does it if your* nick is messaged in teh chan
[14:26] <flaccid> brian88: kget is 441 kB you must be talking its deps or something. i have only used kget out of the ones you menntioned
[14:26] <flaccid> i use opera for http get..
[14:26] <flaccid> or wget in shell
[14:27] <brian88> flaccid: I use opera now... do opera has the acceleration feature?
[14:27] <flaccid> brian88: please explain to me what acceleration here is?
[14:27] <flaccid> splitting it up and creating more tcp connections on a low bandwidth connection can decrease performance
[14:28] <flaccid> different if you are on something like isdn which is multiplexed
[14:28] <eagles0513875> isdn is still around
[14:28] <flaccid> yeah
[14:29] <flaccid> brian88: i suggest comparing them all speed wise!
[14:29] <da> ]firefox beta lol
[14:29] <eagles0513875> i likey ff3
[14:29] <da> I guess we a guinea pigs
[14:29] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:29] <eagles0513875> im loving amarok 2 for sure
[14:30] <eagles0513875> how big is audacity
[14:30] <eagles0513875> taking ages to compile
[14:30] <flaccid> !info audacity
[14:30] <flaccid> about that
[14:30] <flaccid> compiled
[14:30] <eagles0513875> lol 8.5 mb
[14:31] <eagles0513875> this is the make thats taking a while btw
[14:31] <flaccid> yeah could take ages
[14:32] <eagles0513875> lol interesting to see it making kde4
[14:32] <eagles0513875> might get a hold of the latest kernel and compile that from source
[14:33] <eagles0513875> then again i think im playing with fire
[14:33] <flaccid> im off
[14:33] <eagles0513875> flaccid: enjoy whereever ur off too
[14:33] <eagles0513875> *your
[14:33] <flaccid> cheers
[14:34] <eagles0513875> what does make: *** [install-extra-data] Error 1 mean
[14:36] <eagles0513875> Pici: what does make: *** [install-extra-data] Error 1 mean
[14:36] <Pici> eagles0513875: I dont know.
[14:37] <eagles0513875> Pici: i needed to sudo when i ran make install
[14:38] <Pici> eagles0513875: You usually do.
[14:38] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  yes. :) thats true. unless you want it installed for a single user.
[14:38] <eagles0513875> for the ./configure and the make i didnt have to
[14:38] <Dr_willis> eagles0513875,  thats also correct. :) theres no need to for that.
[14:38] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:39] <Dr_willis> in fact it couldbe considered a security risk to do so
[14:39] <eagles0513875> just for the make install you need to run it as rot
[14:39] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: to run all 3 steps as root would be security risk
[14:39] <_myrtille_> !paste
[14:40] <coreymon77> meeheeeheeeeeee
[14:40] <coreymon77> hi everybody!
[14:40] <eagles0513875> now trying my luck with bind now
[14:40] <eagles0513875> hey coreymon77
[14:41] <coreymon77> if you wanted to be funny you would have answered hi doctor nick!
[14:41] <coreymon77> but oh wel
[14:41] <coreymon77> l
[14:41] <coreymon77> goodmorning peoples
[14:41] <_myrtille_> morning
[14:41] <sergiu> !codec
[14:42] <_myrtille_> i just got the following message and was wondering if i should bother filing a bug report,or if I provoked the error myself
[14:42] <_myrtille_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17210/
[14:43] <_myrtille_> i think it's most probably due to the fact, that I hit strg+c in the process...
[14:44] <_myrtille_> (but i really like the "KABOOM!!!" message :D
[14:44] <_myrtille_> )
[14:45] <dystopianray> my nvidia drivers are broken after the latest kernel update, has anyone else experienced this?
[14:47] <MetaMorfoziS> Oh hai all:)
[14:47] <MetaMorfoziS> Is that possible, that ext3 eats up 350mb from a 8gb partition?
[14:48] <da> 5 percent for root
[14:48] <MetaMorfoziS> thats 409mb, looks correct
[14:48] <MetaMorfoziS> because it isn't 8gb it has three partitions, two on an lvm
[14:48] <MetaMorfoziS> so okay...
[14:48] <MetaMorfoziS> thx:(
[14:49] <da> I think you can adjust it with tunefs
[14:49] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, but that means?
[14:49] <MetaMorfoziS> just the root gets less space?
[14:49] <MetaMorfoziS> the root user?
[14:50] <da> MetaMorfoziS: Oh idonno I am not that picky
[14:50] <MetaMorfoziS> me too so  i think i don't hurt it:)
[14:50] <MetaMorfoziS> while it not hurts to me:)
[14:51] <MetaMorfoziS> hit* or wtf.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:51] <eagles0513875> i cant configure apache2 from source
[14:51] <genii> BluesKaj: Mornin
[14:52] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[14:52] <genii> eagles0513875: Is there some problem from installing it through the package manager?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> 'morning genii
[14:52] <eagles0513875> genii: working on practicing compilling from source for my linux cert exam
[14:52] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17213/
[14:52] <eagles0513875> already ran apt-get build-dep already
[14:53] <genii> eagles0513875: Did you do ./configure         ?
[14:53] <eagles0513875> trying to
[14:53] <eagles0513875> and the pastbin is the output from it
[14:53] <eagles0513875> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17213/
[14:53] <genii> I saw the pastebin url the first time :)
[14:53] <eagles0513875> sry
[14:53] <BluesKaj> weird how some apps don't have config files
[14:54] <eagles0513875> is that what that means
[14:54] <stdin> eagles0513875: are you compiling somewhere you have permission to write files?
[14:54] <eagles0513875> yes im in my home folder with a folder called source for programs or something like that
[14:54] <Pici> Did you extract that? or did root?
[14:55] <eagles0513875> seems root did
[14:55] <genii> BluesKaj: The configure is for when it's possible to install on multiple platforms. So it needs to decide where things go, what the compiler is etc. But if you d/l a specific set of sources there is no configure since the makefile is already for that
[14:55] <eagles0513875> goign to fix
[14:55] <stdin> eagles0513875: did you get the source from 'sudo apt-get source apache2'? because that would explain it
[14:55] <BluesKaj> IC , learn something new everyday , genii :)
[14:56] <eagles0513875> stdin: yes
[14:57] <stdin> eagles0513875: with that you don't need sudo, I have apt-get aliased to "sudo apt-get", so I just made another alias get-source='apt-get source'
[14:57] <stdin> saves me making that mistake (which I've done many times)
[14:58] <eagles0513875> stdin: what i did was sudo tar xvf before now it seems fine
[14:58] <eagles0513875> actually extracted it badly
[15:00] <eagles0513875> now im really confused with apt-get dont u normally need sudo
[15:02] <eagles0513875> its not working
[15:02] <eagles0513875> stdin: trying apt-get source and i downloaded it but im having issues extracting
[15:02] <stdin> eagles0513875: does it give any error?
[15:03] <eagles0513875> doesnt seem to like ./configure
[15:03]  * genii hands stdin a larger coffee
[15:03] <eagles0513875> i dont think im extracting something right
[15:04] <stdin> eagles0513875: when you do "apt-get source apache2" it should download and extract for you
[15:04] <eagles0513875> doesnt seem like it is for me
[15:04] <eagles0513875> its not actually
[15:04] <eagles0513875> hold up
[15:04] <eagles0513875> nm im an idio
[15:04] <eagles0513875> t
[15:06] <eagles0513875> stdin: it did extract but i cant run ./configure
[15:06] <stdin> what happens when you try?
[15:06] <eagles0513875> configuring package in srclib/pcre now
[15:06] <eagles0513875> /bin/bash: /home/jonathan/Source: No such file or directory
[15:06] <eagles0513875> configure failed for srclib/pcre
[15:07] <eagles0513875> i ran sudo apt-get build-dep apache2 already
[15:08] <stdin> what's the ./configure command you put?
[15:08] <eagles0513875> ./configure
[15:09] <eagles0513875> stdin: any ideas
[15:09] <stdin> eagles0513875: try "fakeroot debian/rules clean" then ./configure again
[15:10] <pim> #include <stdio.h>
[15:11] <compilerwriter> nosrednaekim It would seem that your password thing worked although it took quite a long time for my machine to be responsive again.  What do you think is going on?
[15:11] <apn> Здр!
[15:11] <eagles0513875> stdin: ill brb
[15:11] <eagles0513875> !ru | apn
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> compilerwriter: do you have the fglrx driver?
[15:12] <apn> България!
[15:12] <stdin> apn: /join #ubuntu-ru
[15:12] <apn> ok
[15:17] <pim> I can't seem to find out how to mount a ntfs partition via the command line
[15:17] <stdin> sudo mount /dev/whatever /place -t ntfs
[15:17] <pim> what would be a logical thing to put for /place, I mean what is common?
[15:18] <stdin> where ever you want, as long as it's an empty directory
[15:18] <pim> hm ok
[15:18] <stdin> usually people choose something under /media, but it can go anywhere
[15:19] <pim> like /media/hd
[15:20] <pim> Ah thanks stdin!
[15:20] <stdin> :)
[15:20] <stdin> if you want write support though, change "-t ntfs" to "-t ntfs-3g"
[15:20] <stdin> *full write support
[15:21] <pim> Is it essential to state that it is ntfs and that I want to write to it?
[15:22] <stdin> if you don't say "-t ntfs-3g" it will normally mount as ntfs read-only
[15:23] <pim> hm okay
[15:23] <itay> what's with kconf_update? it keeps running and takes all CPU power.
[15:24] <pim> Should I umount the drive, or the mount point?
[15:24] <kalorin> pim: mount point
[15:24] <pim> Hehe thanks ;-)
[15:24] <kalorin> anyone tried to do the upgrade via adept-manager?
[15:25] <engineer> yes
[15:26] <pim> It claims that the device is busy when I whish to umount it
[15:26] <pim> As far as I know, I'm not accessing the directory
[15:27] <engineer> force
[15:27] <pim> it won't listen to -f either :-(
[15:28] <engineer> close any explorer windows
[15:28] <pim> engineer I have closed them all
[15:28] <eagles0513875> stdin: back
[15:29] <stdin> pim: are you in the directory you're trying to unmount
[15:29] <theFATMAN> how do i repair broken packages from konsole?
[15:29] <MetaMorfoziS> dpkg --reconfigure -a
[15:29] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[15:29] <itay> Any idea what is the process "kconf_update" ?
[15:29] <stdin> eagles0513875: did you try "fakeroot debian/rules clean" yet?
[15:29] <pim> stdin I'm not
[15:30] <stdin> itay: kconf_update (1)     - KDE Tool for updating user configuration files
[15:30] <eagles0513875> stdin: this is output http://paste.ubuntu.com/17226/
[15:30] <theFATMAN> MetaMorfoziS:thanks
[15:30] <stdin> pim: does "lsof <mountpoint>" show anything ?
[15:30] <itay> stdin: Any idea why it takes 100% cpu for a long time already?
[15:31] <pim> stdin no it doesn't
[15:32] <stdin> eagles0513875: I think it has to do with the directory you're in, it contains spaces and that seems to mess it up
[15:32] <pim> By the way I mounted it: sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media -t ntfs stdin
[15:32] <stdin> itay: it shouldn't run for too long
[15:32] <eagles0513875> stdin: i didnt have issues with audacity
[15:32] <stdin> pim: sudo lsof ... then
[15:32] <stdin> eagles0513875: some people design their configure systems better than others
[15:32] <pim> No it still doesn't give results
[15:33] <eagles0513875> stdin: ?
[15:33] <stdin> eagles0513875: I mean the apache people didn't account for paths with spaces in it
[15:34] <stdin> pim: try umount with -fl options
[15:34] <eagles0513875> stdin: changed it and put _ instead
[15:34] <MarcoPau> hello there, do we need to compile kvirc 3.4.0 or there's an ubuntu package available?
[15:34] <eagles0513875> with the _ i still get the error thats in pastebin
[15:35] <pim> stdin what are -fl options?
[15:35] <stdin> pim: Force unmount and Lazy unmount
[15:35] <pim> aha!
[15:36] <pim> It claims that /media is not mounted
[15:36] <stdin> pim: /media should not be, the directory under media should
[15:37] <pim> So to mount I should use sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media ? stdin
[15:37] <eagles0513875> stdin: fixed it
[15:37] <stdin> eagles0513875: what was it?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> stdin: it was the space in the folder name that i had put _ insteads
[15:37] <pim> Or should I mount it in a subdirectory of /media stdin
[15:37] <thompa> hi, does anyone know how to purge kde4 completely, since install kde4 after gnome I lost wireless and login graphics
[15:37] <stdin> pim: don't mount to /media, make a directory under /media
[15:38] <pim> stdin Oh thanks
[15:38] <eagles0513875> stdin: thats the last thing i would have thought would break source install
[15:38] <stdin> thompa: remove kdelibs5 and kdelibs5-data
[15:39] <thompa> stdin: thanks, do gnome and kde4 work together?
[15:39] <R2LM> If I use knetworkmanager (0.2.2) to bring down my connections by choosing "switch to offline mode", my wireless connection still stays active and works. Why is that?
[15:39] <stdin> eagles0513875: some people don't think about the case where people have a space in the path and so don't escape the commands properly
[15:40] <stdin> thompa: yeah, I don't use gnome but I know people with gnome, kde3 and kde4 installed at the same time
[15:40] <eagles0513875> stdin: im goign to remember from now on to use _
[15:40] <thompa> stdin: i want to run koffice workspace in gnome is all, had problems so installed kde4
[15:40] <thompa> stdin: maybe i need kde3 and kde 4, not just kde4
[15:40] <pim> stdin When I mount the drive in dolphin it will create a directory by itself: /media/disk
[15:40] <stdin> thompa: you don't have to install the entire kde desktop for one kde application
[15:41] <thompa> stdin: i know, but problem was there is no kde4 office workspace
[15:41] <stdin> pim: that's the automount feature, if that works then it's ok
[15:42] <stdin> thompa: there is the koffice-kde4 package, but it's a bit old now. should still work
[15:43] <eagles0513875> stdin: with build-dep do i have to run it as root
[15:44] <Pici> eagles0513875: Yes.
[15:44] <stdin> eagles0513875: yeah, build-dep installs the packages so needs root, source just downloads and extracts so doesn't
[15:44] <eagles0513875> ok ty Pici
[15:44] <eagles0513875> ok stdin
[15:45] <pim> How do I find out what devices are mountabale?
[15:45] <pim> mountable
[15:46] <stdin> pim: what do you mean?
[15:47] <pim> Well I have got 3 partitions on which I keep data
[15:47] <jhutchins_wk> pim: fdisk -l
[15:47] <o_O> pim: what are their filesystems?
[15:47] <pim> 2 are ntfs one is standard linux, I think ext3
[15:48] <o_O> all of them should be mountable
[15:49] <eagles0513875> pim: in regards to ntfs to mount as rw u need ntfs3g
[15:49] <eagles0513875> !ntfs3g | pim
[15:49]  * engineer oh shit, the anti-metric guy just got in
[15:49] <eagles0513875> !language | engineer
[15:49] <theFATMAN> my system keeps telling me that my system administartor has disallowed permission? how do i fix this?
[15:50]  * eagles0513875 is on an installing from source rampage
[15:52] <pim> It takes a lot of commands to run a song from the command line with amarok
[15:54] <engineer> pim thats when the mouse comes in
[15:54] <pim> And KDE I suppose :p
[15:57] <eagles0513875> !info pliant
[15:57] <eagles0513875> !pliant
[15:57] <pim> !fdisk
[15:57] <eagles0513875> !info fdisk | pim
[15:58] <pim> The command functions dough.
[15:59] <add\\JKIceman|N> hi there
[15:59] <sgraham> !mp3
[15:59] <add\\JKIceman|N> I have a little problem here
[16:00] <MasterBlaster> are there any pointers on how to get ipsec working?  i installed both vpnc and networkmanager-vpnc but knetworkmanager wont offer me to set up an ipsec connection.  what am i doing wrong?
[16:00] <jo4> Hi, where does the Media Control plugin (for the kde panels) install?
[16:00] <o_O> mp3 sucks. it's like gif in that it's proprietary and bad quality, except mp3 is actually popular.
[16:01] <o_O> unlike gir
[16:01] <o_O> *gif
[16:01] <eagles0513875> m4a is goign to be new standard
[16:01] <sgraham> ya...mp3 sucks...
[16:01] <eagles0513875> mp4
[16:01] <sgraham> whatever...
[16:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:01] <add\\JKIceman|N> when i try to login to x i get an error massage saying "The following installation problem was detected while trying to start kde: No write access to '/home/.../.ICEauthority' kde is unable to start"
[16:01] <sgraham> your oly talking about a media format that has compleatly changed the entire worlds media market
[16:02] <o_O> sgraham: people only use it because it's popular, and many services use it. Ogg is far superior in terms of quality and flexibility.
[16:02] <sgraham> i agree
[16:02] <stdin> !ot
[16:02] <jo4> o_O, why is mp3 so bad?
[16:02] <sgraham> its lossy
[16:02] <o_O> jo4: off-topic.
[16:02] <stdin> take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:03] <add\\JKIceman|N> anyone?
[16:03] <stdin> add\\JKIceman|N: you haven't asked the question yet
[16:03] <add\\JKIceman|N> mhh ok how can i fix that?
[16:03] <stdin> by saying what the problem is
[16:04] <add\\JKIceman|N> (17:01:35) <add\\JKIceman|N> when i try to login to x i get an error massage saying "The following installation problem was detected while trying to start kde: No write access to '/home/.../.ICEauthority' kde is unable to start"
[16:04] <theFATMAN> my system keeps telling me that my system administartor has disallowed permission? how do i fix this?
[16:04] <kalorin> theFATMAN: Uninstall Vista :)
[16:05] <stdin> add\\JKIceman|N: press Alt-F2 to get to a console and login, then run "sudo chown $(whoami): .ICEauthority"
[16:05] <stdin> add\\JKIceman|N: then see if you can login
[16:06] <theFATMAN> anyone have an intelligent solution to this simple problem? because i have tried all i can think of and its not working
[16:06] <jo4> When i install a kde panel plugin, where does it install?
[16:06] <david_edmundson> jo4:  you want to know where the installed files went?
[16:07] <jo4> david_edmundson, yeah, i wanna copy it from a snapshot i got of my old system into the new one
[16:07] <david_edmundson> jo4:  if you used apt/synaptic to install it. type "dpkg -L packageName" and it lists all files
[16:07] <jo4> david_edmundson, that's the thing, removed from repos.. that version atleast
[16:08] <add\\JKIceman|N> works just fine thx stdin
[16:08] <stdin> :)
[16:08] <add\\JKIceman|N> could u tell me what i just did ?
[16:09] <helpy> my ktorrent isn't showing port opened
[16:09] <stdin> add\\JKIceman|N: changed the owner of the .ICEauthority file to you
[16:09] <helpy> i have this port open in windows
[16:09] <helpy> wonder whats wrong in linux
[16:09] <helpy> welcome prodigy
[16:09] <pim> Error opening partition device: Resource temporarily unavailable
[16:09] <pim> Failed to mount '/dev/sda5': Resource temporarily unavailable
[16:09] <add\\JKIceman|N> i wonder how it changed in the first place
[16:09] <pim> What does that mean?
[16:10] <prodigy> thanx helpy, wassup?
[16:10] <Late-Commer> helloo room
[16:10] <helpy> is it a removable device add\\JKIceman|N ?
[16:10] <helpy> nothing prodigy just tryin to fix my ktorrent
[16:10] <Late-Commer> do we have recover option like in fedora?
[16:10] <prodigy> what is it with ktorrent?
[16:10] <helpy> its showing limited connectivity
[16:10] <deitarion> Anyone got any advice when buying a laptop. (I already plan to bring a Kubuntu LiveCD and test beforehand, but, for example, I'd also like to know if there are any brands you guys recommend or avoid)
[16:10] <prodigy> where?
[16:10] <helpy> a program for downloading torrents
[16:10] <helpy> its in kubuntu ?
[16:10] <deitarion> s/\./?/
[16:10] <pim> helpy yes
[16:10] <helpy> you are on sidax or kubu ?
[16:10] <Late-Commer> do we have recover option like in fedora?
[16:11] <helpy> your kubuntu is not detecting the device pim
[16:11] <helpy> reinsert it
[16:11] <prodigy> i know what ktor is and that it is in kubuntu... what seams to be the pbroblem?
[16:11] <theFATMAN> anyone have an intelligent solution to this simple problem? because i have tried all i can think of and its not working
[16:11] <theFATMAN> my system keeps telling me that my system administartor has disallowed permission? how do i fix this?
[16:11] <helpy> its showing limited connectivity.
[16:11] <helpy> port doesnt seem to be open
[16:11] <pim> helpy it's a harddisk :P
[16:11] <helpy> where as its open in windows
[16:11] <theFATMAN> helpy:forward the port
[16:11] <helpy> how ?
[16:11] <theFATMAN> in linux
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> theFATMAN: did you create a new user?
[16:12] <helpy> you just said its removable media pim
[16:12] <helpy> scroll up
[16:12] <theFATMAN> helpy: http://www.portforward.com
[16:12] <pim> helpy I never said that.
[16:13] <jo4> I'm trying to figure out where a kde panel plugin is installed on the system. I have a snapshot of my old system and i wanna copy a specific plugin from there to my new system
[16:13] <helpy> theFATMAN:  i know that. i just dont know how to set it in linux
[16:13] <helpy> i set it in windows and it worked
[16:13] <theFATMAN> nosrednaekim: no
[16:13] <helpy> pim:  i asked you if it was removable device. you said yes
[16:13] <prodigy> helpy: where doues it say that you have limited conectivity
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> theFATMAN: so now you can't perform any administrative applications?
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> *operations
[16:14] <helpy> a yellow sign in bottom left
[16:14] <theFATMAN> helpy: use azureus instead, you'll download alot faster
[16:14] <helpy> bittyrant ?
[16:14] <helpy> i hear its 70% faster
[16:14] <cyberbird> that's not truth
[16:14] <theFATMAN> nosrednaekim: no i cant except for in thekonsole
[16:14] <MasterBlaster> anyone here have any pointers on setting up an ipsec connection?
[16:14] <cyberbird> about azureus
[16:14] <prodigy> helpy: mine says no incoming connections (possibily firewalled) and it works fine, i am downloading with no problems...
[16:14] <nosrednaekim> theFATMAN: so you can still do sudo?
[16:14] <theFATMAN> cyberbird: it was for me
[16:15] <theFATMAN> m8
[16:15] <prodigy> ktorrent is faster than azureus, i found some test somewhere on the web.
[16:15] <theFATMAN> nosrednaekim: yeah
[16:15] <helpy> prodigy: thats what it says in mine.
[16:15] <helpy> but my usual download speed is 100 kbps
[16:15] <cyberbird> ok, but here ktorrent has a rock speed :)
[16:15] <helpy> and its giving me 15 now
[16:15] <helpy> and seeds and leecher swarm is just fne
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> theFATMAN: odd... something with kdesudo then
[16:15] <helpy> cyberbird:  where are you from ?
[16:15] <pim> helpy yes I did sorry I was confused
[16:15] <cyberbird> Greece
[16:16] <helpy> np pim
[16:16] <theFATMAN> nosrednaekim: hmmm, how do i correct it?
[16:16] <prodigy> it is not your setting, but seed/leech thing. my dl is 50k, max, but mostly it  goes around 30, because of the sharing. no leechers..
[16:16] <prodigy> helpy: dl speed depends from leechers/
[16:16] <helpy> you are on 512 kbps connection prodigy?
[16:16] <akrus> hello everyone
[16:17] <prodigy> ype
[16:17] <prodigy> yes
[16:17] <prodigy> hello akrus
[16:17] <akrus> cat i get some help with configuring LIRC under Kubuntu?
[16:17] <helpy> come on i have like 320 leechers in this torrent
[16:17] <helpy> i am using 1 mbps
[16:17] <helpy> but somethings wrong with my config
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> theFATMAN: not  sure... never run into a problem like this
[16:17] <helpy> i get 100 kbps on torrents
[16:17] <helpy> but i dont get it on simple download
[16:17] <theFATMAN> nosrednaekim: me neither
[16:17] <prodigy> and they all give you 1<kbs, and the connection overfloaded, maybe
[16:18] <nosrednaekim> theFATMAN:  :P
[16:18] <prodigy> i get 50kbs on torrents, when the peers allow it.
[16:18] <akrus> okay, how to find out device ID for my irda?
[16:18] <prodigy> when they allow only less, you get less.
[16:18] <cyberbird> still very slow...
[16:18] <helpy> ahh
[16:18] <pim> How can I find out which harddisks are connected to my system?
[16:18] <helpy> so prolly my leechers are now allowing more bandwidth ?
[16:19] <jo4> Hi, I'm trying to figure out where the file for a KDE panel applet is put on the system and what files it needs to run
[16:19] <akrus> pim: mount? o_O
[16:19] <prodigy> maybe...
[16:19] <helpy> you set upload rate in settings to set bandwidth sharing ?
[16:19] <helpy> right ?
[16:19] <sgraham> !googlearth
[16:19] <sgraham> !googleearth
[16:19] <prodigy> yep. you can set limit.
[16:19] <cyberbird> pim: type in konqueror "media:/"
[16:19] <akrus> !medibuntu
[16:19] <david_edmundson> jo4: install a new panel applet - then dpkg -L that package, and see where the files are
[16:20] <pim> I want to know which ones I can mount, not the ones which are mounted
[16:20] <david_edmundson> pim: ls /dev/sd*
[16:20] <david_edmundson> pim:  that's (LS)
[16:20] <helpy> i am talking to a friend in belgium
[16:20] <helpy> bandwidth caping sux
[16:20] <helpy> you have a limit on downloads
[16:20] <helpy> i can have free downloads all month
[16:20] <pim> thanks
[16:21] <prodigy> helpy: it does. your bandwidth is 100k, and if you upload at maximum, your download will take longer, because your connection is floe=aded by searching and resolving packets traffic.
[16:21] <prodigy> *floaded
[16:21] <helpy> oh then i guess  i should limit my upload
[16:21] <prodigy> so, if you limit upload, you will get more download speed.
[16:22] <helpy> oh gawd i am uploading at 36 kbps
[16:22] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:22] <prodigy> yes, and when you finish downloading, unlimit it, so the others can take from you what you took from the others. :)
[16:22] <cyberbird> prodigy: I thought that more upload means more download...
[16:22] <prodigy> cyberbird: unfortunately, no.
[16:23] <helpy> yea naturally :)
[16:23] <theFATMAN> prodigy is right on the money
[16:23] <helpy> good download speed has picked up a lil
[16:23] <prodigy> your bandwidth is floaded bt traffic of the packets informations, and even when you download at say, 20k and upload at 5k, you consume ALL your bandwidth
[16:23] <cyberbird> the program itself limits download when you limit upload...
[16:24] <prodigy> BUT, after you download at 100%, unlimit your upload for a few hours, so the others can download from you. that is p2p
[16:24] <prodigy> it is good to sometimes manually announce to trackers.
[16:25] <helpy> do i have to restart for changes to take effect?
[16:25] <prodigy> cyberbird: that is not correct, i always limit upload, and download at full speed.
[16:25] <prodigy> ity is up to you to unlimit and share when you download, if you like.
[16:25] <prodigy> helpy: no.
[16:25] <helpy> seeders 24(177) what does this mean ?
[16:25] <helpy> 24 active seeders?
[16:25] <prodigy> helpy: and for more peers, find DHT insettings and check it.
[16:26] <prodigy> helpy: yes
[16:26] <cyberbird> there are 177 seeders and you are connected to 24
[16:26] <helpy> ahh no wonder my speed is pathetic
[16:26] <prodigy> helpy: you are connected to 24 out of 177
[16:26] <helpy> what port for DHT ?
[16:26] <helpy> same as for ktorrent ?
[16:26] <prodigy> you can "fight" for more, by manually announcing yourself :)
[16:27] <da> Why doesn't konqueror go to any websites in Hardy?
[16:27] <prodigy> every is the same (azureus, krottent, bittorent, bla bla etc) ktorrent is the fastest i found
[16:27] <helpy> da:  download firefox
[16:27] <zorglu_> helpy: what is the name of your client ?
[16:27] <helpy> ktorrent
[16:27] <da> helpy: that didn't help
[16:28] <da> helpy: point is it should
[16:28] <helpy> why not ?
[16:28] <zorglu_> helpy: too bad this is the client i dunno because theimplementor is not on irc
[16:28] <cyberbird> and ktorrent is a very light program in comparison to azureus...
[16:28] <helpy> yea but my concern is speed
[16:29] <zorglu_> if mem and cpu are no issue, you may try azureus
[16:29] <prodigy> helpy: did you notice that when you downlad with torrents, even if you are not at full speed, you cannot surf the web... that is because all of your bandwidth is consumed by p2p programs. no matter which you use.
[16:29] <prodigy> ktorrent is fastest i found. azureus is slower.
[16:29] <helpy> well my browsing is ok even when i am dling at 100 kbps
[16:29] <cyberbird> and heavier...
[16:30] <EIPhiGam> Hey all, after installing the latest upgrades to Kubuntu, my knetworkmanager has stopped loading on startup, and when I run it through the run option, I am unable to get it to start my ndiswrapper which is needed to use my USB wireless adapter. Any thoughts?
[16:30] <helpy> i think seeders aren't uploading
[16:30] <zorglu_> i will not argue on the download speed
[16:30] <helpy> let me try some other torrent
[16:30] <prodigy> helpy: i had 100k, and i could not surf when downloading p2p
[16:30] <eagles0513875> im goign to try my luck setting up my pen drive with kubuntu on it to test out on my other laptop
[16:31] <helpy> kubuntu works with almost all machines
[16:31] <helpy> xubuntu is even faster.
[16:31] <helpy> though i used puppy linux on slower machines
[16:31] <eagles0513875> helpy: doesnt work vry well with my other laptop
[16:31] <zorglu_> :)
[16:32] <helpy> what specs eagles0513875 ?
[16:32] <eagles0513875> does this also work with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent hardy
[16:33] <helpy> why do people watch anime ?
[16:33] <helpy> :D
[16:33] <eagles0513875> helpy: its an hp tablet pc amd turion x2 1.9ghz i got it back in december
[16:33] <helpy> it should eagles0513875
[16:33] <helpy> configs are cool.
[16:33] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:33] <helpy> shouldnt have any problems
[16:33] <eagles0513875> well i do
[16:34] <eagles0513875> when installing it takes a really really long time to install and when i boot for the first time i sometimes end up wiht no x desktop
[16:34] <helpy> what error ?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> no error
[16:34] <eagles0513875> just fails to load the desktop
[16:34] <eagles0513875> x i mean
[16:34] <helpy> how much ram ?
[16:34] <helpy> try xvesa
[16:34] <eagles0513875> 2gb cuz its running vista
[16:34] <eagles0513875> well im goign ot try run it from a usb
[16:34] <helpy> 2 gb ?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> first
[16:34] <helpy> mine is 1 gb and its dual booting
[16:34] <eagles0513875> 2gb of ddr2 667 ram
[16:34] <helpy> with vista
[16:34] <eagles0513875> i upgraded
[16:35] <helpy> thats awesome.
[16:35] <eagles0513875> for 100 dollars more
[16:35] <helpy> you are making some mistake eagles0513875
[16:35] <eagles0513875> im not
[16:35] <helpy> theres nothing wrong with hardware specs
[16:35] <eagles0513875> could it be hte hardware is just too new for the kernel
[16:35] <helpy> make a video tutorial and upload it :)
[16:35] <eagles0513875> ?
[16:35] <eagles0513875> of what
[16:35] <helpy> i dont think so.
[16:35] <helpy> installaton process
[16:35] <EIPhiGam> Anyone able to help?
[16:35] <eagles0513875> !ask | EIPhiGam
[16:36] <cyberbird> eagles0513875: what gpu has your laptop?
[16:36] <winsome> hello
[16:36] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: my other laptop has an nvidia go 6150 card and chipset
[16:36] <cyberbird> and this one?
[16:36] <EIPhiGam> Hey all, after installing the latest upgrades to Kubuntu, my knetworkmanager has stopped loading on startup, and when I run it through the run option, I am unable to get it to start my ndiswrapper which is needed to use my USB wireless adapter. Any thoughts? (eagles: I had already asked, I was just asking if anyone had seen it. Thanks.)
[16:37] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: an ati radeon xpress 200m card and ati chipset and its running singlecore 3200+ athlon 64
[16:37] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: not to mention i got this laptop back in 05 after my graduation from high school
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> EIPhiGam: how did you install ndiswrapper?
[16:38] <cyberbird> that's it man... ati gpus, especially newest are not fully supported
[16:38] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: my newer laptop has an nvidia one in it
[16:38] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: nvidia go 6150 and nvidia chipset
[16:38] <eagles0513875> nforce 430 chipset
[16:39] <cyberbird> yes, but the problem is in your old laptop or not?
[16:39] <jo4> Uhm, how can i start up the kde panel again? ;D
[16:39] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: no my new one
[16:39] <eagles0513875> with the turion and the nvidia
[16:39] <denis> i need ogame.ba uni15 irc chatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> jo4: "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[16:39] <cyberbird> have you installed nvidia drivers?
[16:39] <jo4> nosrednaekim, ty
[16:40] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: once i instll x doesnt even load
[16:40] <helpy> how do add an ntfs partition from vista as kubuntu drive ?
[16:40] <eagles0513875> !ntfs3g | helpy
[16:40] <helpy> i want to format another 60 gb drive accessible to my kubunt
[16:40] <eagles0513875> helpy: qtparted
[16:40] <jo4> nosrednaekim, what if it says "call failed", relog? ;P
[16:40] <helpy> thx eagles0513875
[16:40] <cyberbird> that's because x isn't right configured
[16:40] <eagles0513875> helpy: no problem
[16:40] <helpy> how do i use qtparted
[16:40] <ZeroSpin> I'm trying to run firefox-rc2 that I downloaded, but it keeps running the old version. Any idea why?
[16:40] <denis> do someone know how to get to ogame.ba uni15 irc chat????
[16:40] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: im only stuck with cli when i boot for the first time
[16:41] <denis> bk.uni15
[16:41] <eagles0513875> i would like ot try it off a pen drive first if i can get it to work write on a pen drive then ill consider the possibility of duel booting
[16:41] <cyberbird> what way you used to install the nvidia drivers?
[16:41] <eagles0513875> for this laptop i have been using the hardware devices manager
[16:41] <eagles0513875> aka restricted drivers manager
[16:41] <helpy> its already accessible
[16:42] <helpy> d drive
[16:42] <helpy>  have three drives c,d,e
[16:42] <helpy> linux is on e but i can also read and write c and d
[16:42] <helpy> i dont think i need to do anything :)
[16:42] <cyberbird> type glxinfo | grep rendering
[16:42] <Sergheymd> hi
[16:42] <cyberbird> and give me the result
[16:42] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: i have windows on that machine not linux
[16:42] <eagles0513875> i stilll need to work on setting up my pendrive
[16:43] <eagles0513875> with kubuntu and run tests that way
[16:43] <eagles0513875> and since im a gamer i cannot get rid of windows totally
[16:43] <eagles0513875> if i can get the pendrive to work then i can use that as the disk when i want to get on linux
[16:43] <nosrednaekim> jo4: yeah.. relogin
[16:43] <cyberbird> have you used cedega or at least the latest wine?
[16:43] <Tex-Twil> hello
[16:44] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: i have yet to try world of warcraft with this video card and wine
[16:44] <Tex-Twil> please is it possible to get a version from a shared object. e.g myLib.so ?
[16:44] <eagles0513875> but when i tried wow and an previous version of wine it turned out my graphics card on here wasnt powerful enough
[16:45] <cyberbird> damn wow...
[16:45] <eagles0513875> O_o
[16:46] <cyberbird> try cedega instead
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> Tex-Twil: version of the lib?
[16:46] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: dont have the money for it
[16:47] <Tex-Twil> yes nosrednaekim
[16:47] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: i need a way to reboot wine to trick this game that i rebooted the system
[16:47] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: any idea as to how i do it
[16:47] <helpy> anybody using dolphin for kde4 ?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> Tex-Twil: try "dpkg -S path/to/myLib.so"
[16:47] <helpy> it sucks
[16:47] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:48] <helpy> what is the best file manager ?
[16:48] <cyberbird> only commercial versions of wine emulate rebooting, or at least this what I found
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> konqueror or dolphin
[16:48] <darkadmiral> or mc
[16:48] <Tex-Twil> nosrednaekim, http://pastebin.com/m5b1bed4c
[16:48] <helpy> kde3 or 4 ?
[16:49] <helpy> dolphin in kde4 is awful
[16:49] <cyberbird> kde 4 is not ready yet for desktop
[16:49] <cyberbird> many missing features
[16:49] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: no way to trick it to thinking that
[16:50] <helpy> yea and too buggy
[16:50] <cyberbird> try reastart only x, not your pc
[16:50] <cyberbird> restart*
[16:51] <Tex-Twil> nosrednaekim, dpkg will not find my library cos it is not installed
[16:51] <Tex-Twil> nosrednaekim, the "myLib.so" is just a file on my FS
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> Tex-Twil: not installed by a deb?
[16:51] <Tex-Twil> yes
[16:51] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: tried it doesnt work
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> Tex-Twil: then it will find it
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> if it was installed by a .deb
[16:52] <EIPhiGam> Hey all, after installing the latest upgrades to Kubuntu, my knetworkmanager has stopped loading on startup, and when I run it through the run option, I am unable to get it to start my ndiswrapper which is needed to use my USB wireless adapter. Anyone know a possible fix?
[16:52] <Tex-Twil> it was'nt installed
[16:52] <jo4> So, i have copied some files because a package isn't in the repos. I'm now trying to install a package that depends on the ones i "installed manually", so my question becomes, how can i trick apt into thinking that the package is installed?
[16:53] <da> jo4: why do you need to trick it?
[16:53] <da> It won't install for a reason
[16:53] <cyberbird> eagles0513875: what version of wine you use?
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> Tex-Twil: you have to put in the full path to the .so  such as /usr/lib/mylib.so
[16:53] <jo4> da, it refuses to install a package because it doesn't think the deps are installed
[16:53] <eagles0513875> what ever was in repos
[16:53] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: how do i check
[16:53] <da> do a apt-get -f install first
[16:53] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: think i got something in winehq chan
[16:54] <cyberbird> go menu -> wine -> wine configuration -> about
[16:54] <jo4> will that disable dependancies? how to enable it again if so? ;D
[16:55] <da> jo4: no it'll try to fix broken or missing deps first
[16:55] <jo4> da, ok
[16:55] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: seems like the reboot command is wineboot
[16:55] <helpy> what programs can wine play from windows ?
[16:55] <cyberbird> eagles0513875: cool
[16:55] <helpy> does it run exes ?
[16:56] <cyberbird> helpy: of cource
[16:56] <eagles0513875> world of warcraft
[16:56] <cyberbird> but not all .exes
[16:56] <Pici> !appdb
[16:56] <da> Ugh running a windows program in linux.....
[16:56] <da> Kinda defeats the purpose.....
[16:56] <helpy> awesome
[16:57] <helpy> just installed an exe
[16:57] <SilentDis> da: gotta do what ya gotta do.  WoW and Vent both need it :P
[16:58] <helpy> dude why do i feel like i would never fall out of love with linux ?
[16:58] <helpy> each day on linux makes me more angry about how windows has wasted 20 years of my life
[16:58] <Tex-Twil> nosrednaekim, http://pastebin.com/m6cb1e4de
[16:58] <helpy> :)
[16:58] <SilentDis> helpy: lol agreed.  been running ubuntu since 6.06, haven't booted windows except maybe once every 6 months to do a quick bios update or the like
[16:59] <cyberbird> basically, most of us start from usin windows or even older dos
[16:59] <helpy> yea and its pathetic
[16:59] <helpy> we should teach linux in schools
[16:59] <helpy> btw why is wine downloading gecko ?
[16:59] <SilentDis> i'm workin' on it. :P
[16:59] <helpy> i am a teacher
[17:00] <helpy> and i would never teach on windows from now on
[17:00] <SilentDis> helpy: it uses the gecko rendering engine to do stuff for programs that need web access (normally, they'd be looking for IE)
[17:00] <helpy> the only problem in my place is that broadband is not very famous
[17:00] <helpy> and linux is not good wth modems
[17:00] <helpy> well the program i have does not access web
[17:00] <cyberbird> that depends helpy
[17:00] <helpy> on?
[17:00] <SilentDis> helpy: depends on the modem.  I've used Linux with quite a few different hardware based USR modems and all work great
[17:01] <cyberbird> serial modems run fine
[17:01] <helpy> i have connexant
[17:01] <helpy> and i can't get it to run in linux
[17:01] <SilentDis> helpy: what's the app?
[17:01] <eagles0513875> helpy: this a winmodem
[17:01] <helpy> its a hadith software
[17:01] <eagles0513875> helpy: is this ethernet
[17:01] <helpy> yep eagles0513875 most ppl have winmodems
[17:01] <helpy> ethernet ?
[17:01] <eagles0513875> not many used now adays
[17:02] <helpy> there are two types of modems
[17:02] <eagles0513875> 1
[17:02] <eagles0513875> winmodems then u have ur highspeed ethernet jacks
[17:02] <helpy> once is where you have to install driver for them to work
[17:02] <SilentDis> helpy: you might wanna give a go over in #wine for help with getting something to run, we'll be a bit limited and un-focused most likely here :)
[17:02] <helpy> other is when you have hardware modem you just plug in the phone line and you go
[17:02] <helpy> we have both here
[17:02] <helpy> and both dont work with linux
[17:02] <eagles0513875> most machins do
[17:02] <eagles0513875> ethernet should work outa the box
[17:02] <helpy> i have no idea how to get it running
[17:02] <helpy> thx SilentDis
[17:03] <SilentDis> !winmodem | helpy
[17:03] <eagles0513875> helpy: u have something plugged into the ethernet right now
[17:03] <helpy> i have read it thanks SilentDis.
[17:03] <helpy> yep broadband
[17:03] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:03] <eagles0513875> type ifconfig
[17:03] <eagles0513875> what comes up in the list
[17:03] <eagles0513875> eth#
[17:03] <SilentDis> helpy: if you're in the boonies, as i am, and looking for a high-speed solution other than satellite, have you looked into EVDO?
[17:03] <helpy> command not found
[17:03] <helpy> :)
[17:03] <eagles0513875> that is ur builtin network card
[17:04] <eagles0513875> ifconfig
[17:04] <helpy> we dont have EVDO here
[17:04] <helpy> though i am dying to get it
[17:04] <flaccid> hsdpa if available
[17:04] <eagles0513875> something is borked in ur install cuz i have ifconfig outa the box
[17:04] <helpy> specially because i have laptop and i keep moving
[17:04] <cyberbird> where are you from helpy?
[17:04] <SilentDis> helpy: really?  Alltel has a good portion of the country covered, I was surprized lol
[17:04] <helpy> are you talking about konsole eagles0513875 ?
[17:04] <helpy> i on kubuntu
[17:04] <helpy> pakistan cyberbird
[17:04] <eagles0513875> helpy: lol yes
[17:04] <eagles0513875> ifconfig in konsole
[17:04] <helpy> nope it doesnt work
[17:05] <eagles0513875> u have a borked install i think somewhere
[17:05] <helpy> borked ?
[17:05] <eagles0513875> helpy: with ur winmodem might help ya www.linmodems.org
[17:05] <eagles0513875> borked = broken
[17:05] <helpy> oh ok
[17:05] <flaccid> helpy: what does file /sbin/ifconfig return?
[17:05] <helpy> hang on flaccid
[17:06] <SilentDis> bit of an odd one here... I just found that /dev/dvd isn't linked to /dev/hdc normally on my machine, gotta manually create it after a reboot.  Is there a way to fix that?
[17:06] <helpy> no such file or directory
[17:07] <eagles0513875> humm
[17:07] <helpy> btw even after installing gecko, this program isn't working with wine
[17:08] <flaccid> helpy: and now dpkg -l | grep net-tools
[17:08] <cyberbird> what program?
[17:08] <helpy> hadith software
[17:08] <Pici> Not everything works with wine.
[17:08] <flaccid> helpy: did you check the winedb for compat?
[17:09] <helpy> ii  net-tools                                  1.60-19ubuntu1                                     The NET-3 networking toolkit
[17:09] <helpy> how do i do that flaccid
[17:09] <cyberbird> !winedb | helpy
[17:09] <helpy> haahah
[17:09] <helpy> next time cyberbird :)
[17:09] <cyberbird> lol
[17:09] <eagles0513875> !info windb
[17:09] <The_ManU_212> i added the winehq source to my source to upgrade wine, the adept manager also showed winbind to be installed, for what was it installed?
[17:09] <cyberbird> bad shot
[17:09] <flaccid> helpy: now do a sudo apt-get install --reinstall net-tools
[17:10] <helpy> ok
[17:10] <Pici> !appdb
[17:10] <cyberbird> that's it
[17:11] <helpy> downloading flaccid
[17:11] <ubuntu___> haaaaaaay
[17:11] <helpy> done flaccid
[17:11] <eagles0513875> :) working on turning my pendrive into ubuntu persistent one
[17:11] <ubuntu___> speak zou german
[17:11] <helpy> how do i check windb ?
[17:11] <ubuntu___> speck you german
[17:11] <flaccid> help you click on the link above
[17:11] <flaccid> helpy: now see if you have ifconfig
[17:12] <helpy> ok hang on
[17:12] <helpy> i pray my kubuntu doesnt crash, because i have added alot of apps and repos and i dont remember all commands. you people have been great help
[17:12] <helpy> :D
[17:12] <helpy> only way to back up kubuntu is to copy home and etc directory ?
[17:13] <flaccid> !backup | helpy
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> helpy: /etc won't help really
[17:14] <helpy> whoa
[17:14] <helpy> let me get done with this ipconfig and i'll see that
[17:14] <eagles0513875> bah that didnt work
[17:14] <helpy> bash: commad not found flaccid
[17:14] <Char> shouldnt kubuntu automatically show smb network shares available for mounting on its desktop?
[17:14] <flaccid> helpy: and you had no errors on reinstalling net-tools?
[17:14] <flaccid> Char: i don't believe so
[17:14] <eagles0513875> ok that didnt work
[17:15] <helpy> nope
[17:15] <flaccid> helpy: i don't know what your problem is or what you have done sorry
[17:15] <EIPhiGam> Hey all, after installing the latest upgrades to Kubuntu, my knetworkmanager has stopped loading on startup, and when I run it through the run option, I am unable to get it to start my ndiswrapper which is needed to use my USB wireless adapter. Any thoughts?
[17:15] <helpy> how do i install win appdb ?
[17:15] <helpy> sudo apt-get install winedb ?
[17:16] <flaccid> helpy: you don't. its a website to check compatibility with apps
[17:16] <flaccid> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[17:16] <Char> opening a dir on a smb share via smb://mybox/Linux seems to work, and i can create files there.  but how do i get it mounted then?
[17:16] <helpy> oh the software i was installing wasn't a famous one
[17:16] <helpy> guess i should remove it
[17:17] <helpy> how do i uninstall that program? wine menu has no option for uninstalling the software only
[17:17] <helpy> its one wine install
[17:17] <helpy> uninstall
[17:17] <flaccid> Char: add a network folder in remote:/ from konqueror or use smb4k
[17:18] <helpy> this works for kubuntu too ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[17:18] <flaccid> yep
[17:20] <helpy> what do you use flaccid ?
[17:20] <flaccid> rsync and tar via scripts
[17:21] <helpy> Rsync is especially good for backing up home directories.
[17:21] <helpy> how does that back up whole linux ?
[17:21] <Char> flaccid: remote: doesnt seem to exist
[17:21] <flaccid> it should in kde3/konq
[17:21] <flaccid> helpy: you can read about it on google
[17:22] <flaccid> and the wiki
[17:22] <helpy> i am using kd3
[17:23] <helpy> i want to basically back up whole linux, configs, apps, repos, and data in case i crash
[17:23] <flaccid> sorry helpy was talking to Char
[17:23] <flaccid> helpy: please read the documentation
[17:23] <helpy> mostly i back up on dvds
[17:23] <helpy> umm let me re-read
[17:24] <Char> flaccid ive looked for it in konqeror but entering "remote:" doesnt see to do anything.  neither is there a directory called "remote".  do you mean "/media"?
[17:28] <flaccid> Char: when you start konqueror from alt+f2 does it have a network folders link on the landing page?
[17:30] <eagles0513875> brb
[17:30] <helpy> is it a good idea to keep logarthmic back up ?
[17:30] <helpy> in simple back up app ?
[17:31] <flaccid> sure its a good idea
[17:31] <helpy> how much space it takes ?
[17:31] <helpy> alot of back ups might run me out of space
[17:32] <flaccid> you would have to calculate it
[17:32] <flaccid> i couldn't say
[17:32] <helpy> from ?
[17:32] <flaccid> a calculator if you are not compressing
[17:32] <helpy> got about 34 gb free on d
[17:33] <helpy> and 3 gb free on e where kubuntu is installed
[17:33] <flaccid> Char: run knetattach <-- do you have it
[17:33] <helpy> windows is C
[17:33] <helpy> three drives :)
[17:33] <Char> flaccid: alt+f2 doesnt seem to open konqueror.  but calling it up via the menu it does have a network folders link.  i clicked it and it shows me "mybox", next to "network services", next to "samba shares" and an option to "add a network folder".
[17:34] <flaccid> yeah thats what im talking Char. have you changed your keyboard shortcuts for "Run Command". alt+f2 is default for running a command thats all..
[17:36] <Char> flaccid: ok.  i never changed any keyboard shortcuts (wouldn't have known how to).  ok.  so.  i was actually (like helpy) trying to set up a backup and wanted to try sbackup to a smb share but got an error message that the selected destination is not writtable
[17:36] <Char> and that reminded me that i never ever managed to get a smb share mounted properly either
[17:36] <helpy> back up on dvd
[17:36] <flaccid> Char: check mount and the perms on the mount point and below and check the smb/samba server config
[17:36] <flaccid> sounds like your run command shortcut aint working
[17:37] <helpy> ok its backing up in /var/backups
[17:37] <helpy> i should burn the whole directory on dvd ?
[17:39] <eagles0513875> can anyone explain to me why create a persistent disk using fat 32 can i do it using ext3
[17:39] <Dragonath> I've a difficult problem - couple of days ago I installed the newest binary drivers for my ATI radeon 9600 pro, but they didn't work properly, so I rolled back to the open source version.. however I would still like to use the restricted drivers that work well.. will enabling restricted drivers overwrite the newest binary ones automatically, or do I have to manually remove them somehow?
[17:39] <cyberbird> sure you can
[17:40] <Char> flaccid apparently the std mount point here seems to be /media which is drwxr-xr-x and owned by root.  is that ok?
[17:40] <Dragonath> cyberbird: was that directed to me?
[17:40] <eagles0513875> Dragonath: to me
[17:41] <cyberbird> no, it was for eagles0513875
[17:41] <Dragonath> ok
[17:41] <helpy> anyones got myth tv on their distro ?
[17:42] <cyberbird> eagles0513875: depends which opertaing system use the disk
[17:42] <cyberbird> but there is a driver to read - write ext3 partitions from linux
[17:43] <eagles0513875> ?
[17:43] <grendal_prime> ok i created a shortcut to an executable..put it on my desktop Why cant i change the Icon associated with it?
[17:43] <cyberbird> for windows I mean
[17:43] <flaccid> Char: yep mount there
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, in oder to use the default restricted ati drivers the open source ones have to be uninstalled
[17:43] <grendal_prime> it lets me pick a new one but...it never displays it?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, you should be able to find an uninstall script in the driver folder
[17:44] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: but I was using the default restricted drivers already and didn't really uninstall anything
[17:44] <BluesKaj> ok , sorry , misunderstood
[17:45] <eagles0513875> cyberbird: if i creat my pendrive as ext3 it wont work on a winblows machine
[17:45] <cyberbird> !google
[17:45] <Dragonath> all I want to know is whether I need to remove the unsupported restricted drivers somehow or I should just enable restricted drivers from the module again
[17:45] <eagles0513875> man this is too confusing
[17:46] <cyberbird> !google ext3 driver windows
[17:46] <cyberbird> lol
[17:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:46] <cyberbird> wait a second
[17:47] <BluesKaj> yes, remove the unsupported drivers ..I hope you didn't install them before trying the default restricted ones
[17:47] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: no, but I did mess around with something when I installed the unsupported ones
[17:47] <sergiu> !codec
[17:48] <helpy> dont bother codecs.
[17:48] <helpy> use vlc
[17:49] <steve555> Can I ask which sort of of drivers are we talking about?
[17:49] <eagles0513875> u talking to me steve555
[17:49] <eagles0513875> *you
[17:50] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, I'd clear the decks of any uneeded drivers and reboot , then run the restricted defaults if that's what you are aiming for.
[17:50] <cyberbird> eagles0513875: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[17:50] <Char> flaccid - i tried "mount //mybox/shared /media/Linux" where /media/Linux has drwxdr-xdr-x  and is owned by me (not root).  mount asked me for a password, even though the share is accessible without?
[17:51] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: is there a magic bullet command to do that, or I just need to figure out what I need to delete?
[17:51] <Char> flaccid - i take that back.
[17:51] <cyberbird> you can also access ntfs partitions from linux using ntfs-3g
[17:51] <flaccid> Char: thats not what i suggested. if you have sufficient perms on the client side then the problem is the server. make sure its not authenticating as guest
[17:52] <meta> Oh, hai
[17:53] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, you should be able to find an uninstall script in the driver folder
[17:54] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: alright, thanks, will try that
[17:54] <pato> Hi, i have problem with sound. Driver is loaded, i used lsmod to view loaded drivers. But i dont hear any sound, on startup system, in any player. How can i solve this problem. Thank u very much.
[17:55] <Char> flaccid: sorry. im confused.  i created a subdir under /media because /media already contains mount points for other partitions and cdroms.  i didnt see a way to mount via konqueror?  how / where do i make sure that its not authenticating as guest?
[17:55] <meta> Char: have you tried "media:/"
[17:55] <meta> i don't know what you doing, just an idea
[17:55] <flaccid> Char: "Add network folder" like you found..
[17:55] <desmond> !ipod
[17:56] <flaccid> and you check the server log. you can also use smbclient to check manually
[17:56] <flaccid> Char: also check mount and see what it says its mounted as..
[17:56] <desmond> !rockbox
[17:57] <steve555> pato,I think to start off would be the speaker icon near the taskbar,and slide the voloume up.
[18:02] <pato> steve555: thank u, kmix is running, volume is up, but nothing to do. Im lama :D
[18:03] <steve555> No problem pato,I'm glad it was something as simple as that. :D
[18:04] <Char> meta: ok. i used add network folder.  that works to access the directory (but doesnt seem to mount it).
[18:05] <Char> flaccid.  ok. i use mount.  it shows up as //mybox/shared on /media/Linux type cifs (rw,mand)
[18:06] <flaccid> Char: and how did checking the perms on each side and the samba log go?
[18:07] <pato> steve555: I think, u didnt understand me. Sorry for my english. I dont hear any sound still. Is there any way, how can i turn sound settings to default?
[18:11] <Char> flaccid: running the risk of looking stupid.  how do i check the perms on the client side?  the samba side the perms are set to ... (how do i paste a longer text here?)
[18:11] <steve555> Sorry about that pato,try k-menu>system settings>sound system>hardware tab,and try either autodetect,or Advanced Linux Sound Architecture(ALSA).
[18:11] <flaccid> Char: you could check the whole tree with ls -lahR /media/Linux
[18:12] <flaccid> !pastebin | Char
[18:13] <Char> flaccid: the samba permissions are http://paste.ubuntu.com/17274/
[18:14] <flaccid> Char: i was talkinga about the unix file perms physically but that will help, but better to paste the whole smb.conf
[18:14] <flaccid> ie. /raid/shared
[18:15] <flaccid> those masks don't look sufficient either
[18:15] <Char> flaccid. ok.  your recommended check with ls seems ok - no errors.  ill repaste the whole smb.conf in a sec
[18:16] <pato> steve555: and restart xserver or pc?
[18:16] <flaccid> Char: do you know what octal perms are? because thats what we need to check
[18:16] <flaccid> Char: who configured the smb.cnf
[18:17] <_Shade_> please will anyone help me to set up wusb54gc wifi card on kubuntu hardy?
[18:17] <steve555> I think you can try both,for more speed I would just log-out and login again.If that doesn't work just do a restart.
[18:17] <flaccid> !wireless _Shade_
[18:17] <Char> flaccid: here is the full smb.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17276/
[18:17] <flaccid> !wireless
[18:17] <flaccid> Char: what generated it?
[18:18] <pato> steve555: Ok, i try it. Wait a moment please :)
[18:18] <Char> flaccid: its a thecus nas box
[18:19] <flaccid> right. well there are a lot of possibilities here and im not sure if i feel like it considering i can't get the perms yet
[18:19] <flaccid> pastebin ls -lahR on the mountpoint on each side
[18:19] <meta> No valid fontpath found, says my Xorg.0.log. What i lacks?
[18:19] <_Shade_> flaccid: i think there are few usfull things out there :(
[18:19] <flaccid> the smb.conf has a lot of possible issues and looks like it forces guests and the masks don't look right. you might want to check the log on the NAS..
[18:20] <flaccid> lots of useful things in the world
[18:20] <flaccid> meta: probably nothing. it tries to add fonts even if they don't exist by default
[18:21] <meta> but it isn't starts up
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> meta: is X not working? usually thats not a fatl error
[18:21] <meta> ^^ yeah
[18:21] <flaccid> meta: thats not likely the issue
[18:21] <Char> flaccid: so the issue is with the nas smb configuration?  ok, ill read up and show up back here when ive smartened up...
[18:21] <flaccid> Char: um thats one possibility
[18:21] <flaccid> samba is not basic and this is some smb.conf created by a commercial nas..
[18:22] <meta> woah
[18:22] <meta> started up:)
[18:22] <meta> thnx
[18:26] <pato> steve555: Nothing :( I can volume up and down with my mouse. But still nothing. I try reinstall alsa and kmix..... I know, it is windows benegit :D and for lama like me :D
[18:27] <desmond> wait
[18:27] <desmond> can you not hear>
[18:27] <desmond> ?
[18:27] <desmond> is that your problem?
[18:27] <steve555> Pato,can I ask what make and model of your soundcard?
[18:28] <desmond> if its ratrek
[18:28] <desmond> i know what to do
[18:28] <desmond> open alsa
[18:28] <desmond> and turn on
[18:28] <desmond> the third choice
[18:28] <desmond> its like
[18:28] <desmond> ppa
[18:28] <desmond> or smothing
[18:28] <desmond> its cause somthing in alsa is muted
[18:29] <_Shade_> so again... anyone in knowledge of setting up adhoc connection with wusb54gc card?
[18:29] <flaccid> !enter | desmond
[18:29] <desmond> im sry
[18:29] <flaccid> _Shade_: how did you go checking the wireless docs?
[18:29] <desmond> its reaction
[18:30] <MasterBlaster> flaccid: sorry, my internet connection dropped for a moment. is there any other way to check the perms except your suggested ls command?
[18:31] <flaccid> _Shade_: if you had of read it, it has a link t a guide on your exact model: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/LinksysWUSB54GC :)
[18:31] <MasterBlaster> flaccid. da.n i have to configure this irc client properly.  i now show up as masterblaster whereas i used to be char :-(
[18:31] <flaccid> MasterBlaster: i dont know what your NAS can do
[18:32] <pato> steve555: It is creative soundblaster audigy
[18:32] <pato> steve555:I have onboard sound card too, but it denied in bios.
[18:32] <steve555> pato:is it an internal pci one?
[18:33] <pato> Yes, it is internal.
[18:33] <helpy> how do i install java runtime environment for linux ?
[18:34] <desmond> @ helpy
[18:34] <flaccid> !java | helpy
[18:35] <desmond> helpy: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-runtime
[18:35] <steve555> Pato:hmmmm,you could try kmix>mixer>switches and see if the tone,etc is turned on.
[18:35] <helpy> thx
[18:35] <MasterBlaster> flaccid. i have ssh shell access to it, and am happy to try to get it to work (it does seem to be ok if accessed from windows)?
[18:35] <desmond> it doesnt work for firefox
[18:35] <desmond> cause firfox stanks
[18:35] <helpy> i use ff
[18:35] <helpy> wrong command desmond
[18:35] <helpy> doesnt work
[18:35] <pato> desmond: Yes, i dont hear anything. Im looking for it.
[18:36] <flaccid> MasterBlaster: thats why i suggests ls command also checking logs... the log will tell you who logged in and what the error could possible be. thats what logs are for :)
[18:36] <flaccid> note log file = /opt/samba/var/log/samba.%m in your config
[18:38] <gomorrha> hi, I am using my new "better" NIC, it is a usb-stick.
[18:38] <gomorrha> now I cant disable my other wlan
[18:38] <gomorrha> wlan0
[18:38] <gomorrha> it always starts
[18:39] <nosrednaekim> gomorrha: find out what driver is associated with it and blacklist it
[18:41] <MasterBlaster> flaccid: there is no log file there.  ill have to get back to you in a bit once i have found why there is no log file there
[18:41] <MasterBlaster> flaccid.  thanks for your willingness to help!
[18:42] <q4a> hi all, what package i have to install to get gnome in kubuntu 8.04? i tryed to install package gnome, but i det error: gnome depends from gnome-desktop-environment, but it will not be install
[18:42] <q4a> can somebody help me?
[18:42] <flaccid> MasterBlaster: no worries. if you find the log it tells all and if it doesn't  you just up the log level. still allthat i said is what you need to figure out the problem
[18:42] <flaccid> good luck
[18:43] <helpy> why do you want to do it q4a ?
[18:43] <helpy> kde is awesome
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> q4a: ubuntu-desktop
[18:43] <flaccid> !gnome
[18:43] <q4a> helpy - orca work only with gnome =(
[18:43] <flaccid> hmm a link on that factoid would be good
[18:43] <q4a> <nosrednaekim - i'll try
[18:43] <helpy> ok, though i dont know whats orca
[18:43] <helpy> :D
[18:44] <maxime> salut
[18:50] <intelikey> anyone know where i might find these three packages http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1bdfacd7 ?
[18:51] <intelikey> sorry never mind on the other two...  i got them.
[18:51] <Dragonath> how do I find out what driver the restricted drivers manager is going to enable once I let it?
[18:51] <gomorrha> I am using the "ipw3945" driver for my intern wireless NIC. So how do I blacklist my NIC?
[18:51] <flaccid> Dragonath: it says next to the checkbox. i guess you have to know what it corresponds to
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> gomorrha: put a "blacklist ipw3945" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[18:55] <pim> How do I get an adress bar in Konqueror?
[18:55] <adinx> hello! i have a problem with my kubuntu 8.10 system. i tried KDE4 today, didn't like it, and uninstalled it.. now i can't get kdm to start normally.. only works if i type sudo kdm in text mode.. any solution to my problem?
[18:55] <Dragonath> flaccid: yes, but I'm more interested in the version of the driver
[18:55] <flaccid> Dragonath: check in adept or dpkg
[18:56] <flaccid> adinx: you might need to sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[18:56] <adinx> flaccid: ok i'll try that now
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> adinx: are you really on 8.10? or 8.04
[18:58] <steve555> pim: launch konqueror,then settings>toolbars>location toolbar.
[18:59] <adinx> flaccid: i'm 4 months in the future :).. sorry.. got a bit confused.. i'm running 8.04.. old habit with 7.10
[19:00] <pim> thanks steve555
[19:00] <steve555> No problem pim :D
[19:00] <adinx> flaccid: thanks.. you saved me from having to reinstall the system
[19:00] <flaccid> no worries. on that note time for some eyeshut ciaoski
[19:01] <pim> Dolphin tells me: bookmarks couldn't be saved in  /home/pim/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[19:01] <pim> How can I fix it?
[19:01] <pim> It says permission denied
[19:02] <Sakui> brb
[19:02] <nosrednaekim> pim: remove it with sudo... and don't use sudo to run dolphin or any other graphicall application
[19:03] <pim> norednaekim remove what?
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> "sudo rm /home/pim/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml"
[19:05] <intelikey> pim sudo chown $USER -R $HOME/.kde*    is not a bad idea either
[19:05] <intelikey> it doesn't erase anything.
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> hey intelikey :)
[19:05] <pim> I already removed the file :p
[19:05] <intelikey> pim but the reason you have that problem to begin with is the use of sudo and gui apps
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> !kdesudo
[19:06] <intelikey> !sudo | pim
[19:06] <pim> Well I don't think I really have used sudo.
[19:06] <pim> Only to acces my ntfs drives
[19:06] <intelikey> nosrednaekim
[19:07] <pim> Well I can't acces my drives when I don't enter my password every now and then
[19:07] <trappist> one longstanding itch of mine is that one of the first things I do on a new system is sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list or something, which causes ~/.viminfo to be root-owned, breaking a lot of vim functionality
[19:07] <adinx> i came back with another problem.. this one is much older.. i can't get any sound when playing .mkv files in kaffeine. it only works on vlc, but i can't seem to put vlc to play .mkvs automatically
[19:08] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> adinx: ok, righclick on a .mkv _>openwith->select VLC and tell it to remember this association
[19:09] <[Relic]> I am trying to figure out why cups stopped working, but not sure why
[19:10] <adinx> nosrednaekim: it doesn't remember the association
[19:10] <[Relic]> I send something to print and cups loads it in the queue and then it disappears after a few seconds w/o printing
[19:12] <PidorDator> lolololololol
[19:12] <intelikey> howto kill a single connection ?
[19:12] <PidorDator> with a pist0l lololol
[19:12] <jhutchins_wk> intelikey: Depends on what's connected to what.
[19:13] <intelikey> jhutchins_wk is there no way to just kill a port ?
[19:13] <PidorDator> use a knief lolololol
[19:14] <jhutchins_wk> intelikey: What kind of port?
[19:14] <PidorDator> fags
[19:15] <PidorDator> lolololololololol
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> !ops
[19:16] <pato> steve555: I solve my problem, i can hear my music :) I dont know how :D Thanks for your interest. Have a nice day :)
[19:16] <intelikey> jhutchins_wk high number   32765
[19:17] <steve555> I'm glad you managed to sort it out yourself pato:I'm I could help in some way I could. :D
[19:18] <jhutchins_wk> intelikey: Well, obviously kill whatever is listening on that port, but determining that is the question, isn't it?
[19:19] <intelikey> indeed
[19:19] <stdin> use netstat
[19:19] <intelikey> jhutchins_wk i firewalled the ip in question  so that should park it for now.
[19:20] <add\\JKIceman|N> need help ... again ...  somehow if i login to kde4 desktop the status bar is not loading and when i start dolphin it does not show anything and at the bottom it says "could not start process cannot talk to klauncher: the name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by .service files." ... any ideas? and btw kde3 works fine
[19:20] <jhutchins_wk> intelikey: that'll do it.
[19:21] <jhutchins_wk> netstat -le would give you the inode of the listening process. which you could cross-reference to the path.
[19:23] <jhutchins_wk> intelikey: Actually, not sure how you'd cross-reference that, there must be a way.
[19:23] <add\\JKIceman|N> nobody?
[19:23] <jhutchins_wk> add\\JKIceman|N: If you're going to beta test software you'll need to go to the software's support channel for help.
[19:24] <intelikey> iyi what is this service ?   tcp        0      0 192.168.0.6:ipp         *:*                     LISTEN  root       8909
[19:24] <jhutchins_wk> Internet Printing Protocol - possibly cups.
[19:25] <intelikey> that may have been the crack in the armour  ;/
[19:25] <intelikey> brb.  i'm gonna stop this non-sense.
[19:25] <trappist> intelikey: only if the attack came from the local network
[19:25] <trappist> oh he's gone
[19:26] <intelikey> all ports closed now.
[19:26] <add\\JKIceman|N> i was not trying to test any beta stuff
[19:27] <intelikey> much better.   my cracker is foiled   :)
[19:28] <butterflyy> hi
[19:28] <intelikey> take that, dude!   lol
[19:29] <butterflyy> wats up with ssh in kubuntu??
[19:30] <jhutchins_wk> add\\JKIceman|N: KDE4
[19:30] <butterflyy> aint working
[19:30] <intelikey> butterflyy it's borked   or so i hear.
[19:30] <trappist> works here
[19:30] <butterflyy> wow for real??? :(
[19:31] <intelikey> trappist scp between ubuntu and other *nix's ?
[19:31] <butterflyy> trappist: how u do that??
[19:31] <stdin> ssh works form me
[19:31] <trappist> intelikey: sure
[19:31] <adinx> where do i find the options for pressing my laptop's on/off button?
[19:31] <trappist> intelikey: as long as you're not trying to do it with a vulnerable ssh key
[19:31] <add\\JKIceman|N> mhh i thought it's stable if it it's not i will skip back to kde3 thx
[19:31] <trappist> butterflyy: just do
[19:32] <intelikey> trappist there have been several that couldn't get it working correctly.   ssh would login but scp would only make empty files.      hardy only.
[19:32] <trappist> intelikey: crazy, I ssh and scp a zillion times a day, haven't had a problem
[19:32] <butterflyy> trappist: do what??
[19:32] <intelikey> trappist it may be the "key bug" that was causing it.   (ssl)
[19:32] <stdin> I've used scp several times today too, all works
[19:33] <dga> i just installed kubuntu on my laptop and my sound was working fine but after i installed the updates and rebooted all i hear is a static noise. any ideas?
[19:33] <stdin> try running 'ssh-vulnkey' to see if you have a bad key
[19:33] <butterflyy> how to start ssh??
[19:33] <stdin> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[19:33] <intelikey> butterflyy ssh ?   or do you mean   sshd ?
[19:34] <butterflyy> is not in there
[19:34] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install ssh
[19:34] <butterflyy> k
[19:35] <intelikey> interestingly  the attack was bouncing from "mirrors1.kernel.org"  but that's probably spoofed.
[19:36] <adinx> nobody knows where i can find the settings for pushing the on/off button?
[19:36] <shane_> hello im relativly new to linux and im wondering what is a good p2p download to use as i cant get limewire nor frostwire to work in kubuntu
[19:37] <dga> nicotine
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> shane_: ktorrent
[19:37] <intelikey> !p2p
[19:37] <jabba> i just upgraded via aptitude, and xwindows is in failsafe... any ideas why?
[19:37] <pim_> !java
[19:37] <shane_> nosrednaekim: is ktorent the fastest there is im geting a blazing 6 kbs
[19:37] <pim_> !firefox plugin
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> jabba: boot recovery mode and run xfix
[19:38] <jabba> thanks mike
[19:39] <intelikey> gnome Q   where do you set hotkeys in gnome ?
[19:39] <butterflyy> how do I find out ,what vesion I have?
[19:39] <stdin> !version
[19:39]  * intelikey still likes -r for that
[19:40] <intelikey> for kernel you use uname -r   for ubuntu you use   lsb_release -r   ;/
[19:40] <butterflyy> hardy
[19:40] <adinx> how can i make the log out menu appear when i push the on/off button of my laptop?
[19:40] <adinx> it keeps shutting down every time i press it
[19:41] <adinx> i ran a sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm and i got this problem.. it's pretty annoying not getting the log off menu
[19:46] <intelikey> adinx try running kcontrol  and the display manager section ?
[19:46] <adinx> yeah i got it working
[19:47] <adinx> had to go in session manager..
[19:48] <intelikey> interestingly,  showkey doesn't see the power button nor the fn button.
[19:50] <intelikey> E: Couldn't find package ssh-vulnkey
[19:50] <intelikey> i guess that's a hardy thang
[19:51] <adinx> i forgot to thank kubuntu for sending me the official 8.04 cd in 4 weeks.. so.. thanks :)
[19:52] <intelikey> so dvd playback in dapper   who here knows the secret to getting that working with the copy-protected dvd's ?
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: can't k3b make a clone copy?
[19:55] <debdani> saludos
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> oh... playback
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: install libdvdcss2
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> from medibuntu
[19:55] <intelikey> nosrednaekim what good would a clone copy be ?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> !medibuntu
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> sorry, I read it wrong
[19:55] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i have libdvd* already
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> do you have libdvdread?
[19:55] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i have libdvd* already
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> :P
[19:56] <intelikey> i.e. if it starts with "libdvd" i've got it.
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> what are you trying to play them in?
[19:57] <intelikey> vlc mainly  but nothing i have tried seems to work.
[19:57] <intelikey> and i can't find the mplayer package
[19:58] <intelikey> so kaffine gstreamer(what ever gnome uses) totem and vlc i have tried.
[19:58] <Pici> intelikey: Have you install kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[19:58] <intelikey> the non-copy-protected ones work fine.
[19:59] <intelikey> pici nope.    dapper.
[19:59] <Pici> ahh
[19:59] <intelikey> i have the w32codec* libdvd* packages installed though.
[20:01]  * intelikey wants to yank fritz up by the collar and say a few words...  ;/
[20:05] <_Shade_> how do i share internet connection with a windows machine?
[20:06] <intelikey> which is closest to the net ?
[20:06] <intelikey> i.e. which way are you going there ?   linux > windows > inet    or windows > linux > inet ?
[20:11] <kunim> hello, i just installed kde 4.1 beta 1 - but i am missing kde4automoc that was supposed to be in kde4libs-bin in the 4.0.x packages. any idea where it went?
[20:12] <kunim> oh -> #kubuntu-kde4 might be the better place to ask, right? :)
[20:12] <intelikey> to #kde  or is in  #kde4   ?
[20:12] <intelikey> and yes. it might.
[20:13] <minhaaj> wow simple back up almost crashed my computer
[20:15] <Mojo_risin> hi, i'm getting this apt error:
[20:15] <Mojo_risin> http://rafb.net/p/ITQrj227.html
[20:15] <Mojo_risin> any ideas?
[20:15] <Pennycook_> Mojo_risin: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/konqueror_4%3a3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2_i386.deb
[20:16] <Mojo_risin> Pennycook_: more errors...
[20:16] <Pennycook_> More of the same kind?
[20:16] <Mojo_risin> http://rafb.net/p/i4voUJ83.html
[20:17] <stdin> Mojo_risin: sudo apt-get -f install
[20:17] <Mojo_risin> Pennycook_: it seems so
[20:17] <Mojo_risin> stdin: already tried
[20:17] <stdin> Mojo_risin: after the --force-overwrite command?
[20:17] <Mojo_risin> ah no
[20:18]  * Mojo_risin trying
[20:18] <Mojo_risin> it seemed to work :)
[20:18] <Mojo_risin> cool
[20:18] <Mojo_risin> thanks
[20:19] <intelikey> until apt-get install -f ;do dpkg --configure -a --force-all ;done      >:]
[20:23] <Pennycook_> If I'm using prevu to backport a package that already exists in intrepid, is it enough to run "prevu package_name", or do I need to provide a URL?
[20:24] <Pici> Pennycook_: You may want to try asking in #ubuntu-motu
[20:25] <intelikey> !intrepid
[20:29] <jabba> aw, bummer mike left
[20:29] <jabba> well, i have a weirdness now that kde4 got itself rejiggered -- I have a kde3 settings for screensaver and what seems to be a kde4 settings for screensaver, and they have different modules.
[20:29] <jabba> how do i reconcile the two of them?
[20:34] <roob> hello all. im trying to install gnome-desktop-environment ..but its saying i cant
[20:34] <roob> my sources should be uptodate
[20:36] <NekosolTeraDyne> roob: is that the package name you're using?
[20:36] <NekosolTeraDyne> You should be installing "ubuntu-desktop", not "gnome-desktop-environment"
[20:42] <roob> NekosolTeraDyne, there is no ubuntu-desktop in hardy
[20:42] <fanel__> hello!No sound in ubuntu 8.04ltsdesktop edition running on a toshiba satellite l30-10x laptop.Anibody could help?
[20:43] <roob> NekosolTeraDyne, see this :
[20:43] <roob> Couldn't find package "gnome-desktop".  However, the following
[20:43] <roob> packages contain "gnome-desktop" in their name:
[20:43] <roob>   gnome-desktop-environment gnome-desktop-data libgnome-desktop-dev gnome-desktop-sharp2 libgnome-desktop-2
[20:44] <JoshOvki> roob: to install gnome from kubuntu its   ubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <NekosolTeraDyne> Yeah. Usually I just reccomend "ubuntu-desktop".
[20:44] <NickPresta> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <deamon3> Ubuntu desktop
[20:44] <deamon3> lol
[20:44] <NekosolTeraDyne> ...
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> !gnome
[20:47] <fanel__> hello!No sound in ubuntu 8.04ltsdesktop edition running on a toshiba satellite l30-10x laptop.Anibody could help?
[20:47] <athlon1> Hallo, An easy question. I use OpenOffice. When i open synatic, I see that OpenOffice is not selected and has an icon like the one of ubuntu.  If i select it it asks me to install OpenOffice (when it already is installed). Why is this?
[20:47] <minhaaj> is someone running MS office in kubunutu ?
[20:48] <JoshOvki> minhaaj: why do you need MS office?
[20:48] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: I hope not.  Why would you do that?
[20:48] <jhutchins_wk> Visio's the only component not covered by openoffice.
[20:48] <roob> JoshOvki, hmm
[20:49] <roob> well i cant install it ....
[20:49] <JoshOvki> roob: any errors?
[20:49] <roob> says its called gnome-desktop-environment
[20:49] <roob> yes
[20:49] <Freddy2> hi
[20:49] <JoshOvki> roob: what errors are you getting?
[20:49] <roob> Couldn't find package "gnome-desktop".  However, the following
[20:49] <roob> packages contain "gnome-desktop" in their name:
[20:49] <roob>   gnome-desktop-environment gnome-desktop-data libgnome-desktop-dev gnome-desktop-sharp2 libgnome-desktop-2
[20:49] <roob> if i try to install that
[20:49] <roob> i get :
[20:50] <JoshOvki> roob: run   sudo apt-cache search ubuntu-desktop   and tell me the reust
[20:50] <JoshOvki> sp/reust/result
[20:50] <roob> http://pastebin.com/m2d242754
[20:50] <NekosolTeraDyne> roob: Don't install "gnome-desktop", install "ubuntu-desktop"
[20:50] <roob> ohhhhhhhhhh
[20:50] <roob> gotcha
[20:50] <JoshOvki> i did say that earlier
[20:51] <roob> im sorry.
[20:51] <NekosolTeraDyne> XD No worries.
[20:51] <roob> my brain was seeing gnome.....
[20:51] <minhaaj> because .doc files prepared in MS office does not display rightly jhutchins_wk
[20:52] <roob> also anyone in here use a pptp vpn with ubuntu?
[20:52] <roob> im having the worst time trying to get it to work
[20:52] <JoshOvki> minhaaj: thats really odd, because i often move stuff between M$ Word and Open Office
[20:53] <jhutchins_wk> minhaaj: Hm.  It's been getting a lot better lately, but sometimes people use formatting tricks that don't translate properly - even between different installations of the same Office software!
[20:53] <roob> man these repos kinda suck lol.....its really slow then slightly faster then really slow.
[20:54] <JoshOvki> roob: what repo you using?
[20:54] <roob> us.
[20:55] <roob> ive used ubuntu off and on since dapper and ive pretty much always had this issue with the slow repo's
[20:55] <JoshOvki> surrised me they are slow
[20:55] <NekosolTeraDyne> roob: What kind of connection are you on?
[20:55] <roob> dsl
[20:56] <meta> hi all
[20:56] <meta> how that possible that kde don't reads it's settings in?
[20:56] <meta> I have kde installed (not kubuntu-desktop)
[20:56] <meta> and for example my kicker's position is okay but the applets not
[20:56] <meta> i haev the kicker applets installed....
[20:57] <JoshOvki> meta: what distro are you using?
[20:57] <meta> kubuntu
[20:57] <minhaaj> yea i know openoffice rocks
[20:57] <meta> but i builded it up from "commandline system" install
[20:57] <minhaaj> but you sometimes i can't get to open formatting in openoffice
[20:57] <meta> because i hate that lot of junk that kubuntu installs:/
[20:58] <minhaaj> i hear you can use office 2003 with wine
[20:58] <JoshOvki> meta: this is where you realise it isnt all junk ;)
[20:58] <Freddy2> do you know where to find a good guide for compiling vpnc with openssl support? thx
[20:58] <meta> i never said that all
[20:58] <meta> but a big percent...
[20:58] <minhaaj> awesome. i had a problem sending and receiving files with bluetooth in windows
[20:59] <minhaaj> even thats easy in linux
[20:59] <meta> and the nasty is that it's not two big package
[20:59] <minhaaj> aweeeeeeeeeeesome
[20:59] <meta> it's 1024 piece of little package
[20:59] <minhaaj> liunx rooooooooooooooooooooooocks
[20:59] <meta> so the cleanest thing is if i start from near zero, an installs what i need
[20:59] <meta> looks i need something more:D
[21:00] <The_ManU_212> all my locales are german but gimp is english, i use hardy, how does it come?
[21:00] <meta> The_ManU_212: first look for gimp's german locales
[21:00] <minhaaj> ask gimp support
[21:00] <meta> then try start it with:
[21:01] <meta> oh, gimp is not a kde app sry:D
[21:01] <meta> but you can try: KDE_LANG=ge gimp
[21:01] <meta> d
[21:01] <meta> :D
[21:01] <meta> de* brr
[21:01] <minhaaj> why do people want things in their own language ? specially germans ?
[21:01] <minhaaj> i never used mine on computer
[21:01] <minhaaj> :D
[21:02] <The_ManU_212> metaon my edgy isntallation gimp was german default
[21:07] <The_ManU_212> meta on my edgy isntallation gimp was german default
[21:07] <sae> sera
[21:08] <eldowan> I've got kubuntu 8.04 kde4 version in a vmware session. How would I go about adding the soundcard that was installed after kubuntu was installed in the system?
[21:11] <The_ManU_212> J #gimp
[21:18] <fanel__> hello!No sound in ubuntu 8.04ltsdesktop edition running on a toshiba satellite l30-10x laptop.Anibody could help?
[21:26] <minhaaj> is there a way you can view emails in thunderbird as threads as in gmail ?
[21:32] <Mr_Pan> i can't install konqueror. i have an overwrite error `/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/media_safelyremove.desktop',
[21:32] <Mr_Pan> have u any ideas    ?
[21:32] <meta> exit
[21:32] <minhaaj> are you booting off usb ?
[21:33] <lovely> I just upgraded my comp as well as the distro (Hurray for the Heron) and at firt the sound worked, but then nothing, after the distro upgrade
[21:34] <tempb0y> anyone install kubuntu on dell poweredge servers?
[21:38] <lovely> anyone have any ideas? I have goon thru the kmix, turned off and on the sound a few times...
[21:42] <fanel__> and still no sound...
[21:43] <fanel__> what's going on with the sound in Ubuntu 8.04 people?
[21:44] <minhaaj> nothing fanel__
[21:44] <minhaaj> whats the problem ?
[21:44] <lovely> so I am not the only muted one?...
[21:45] <minhaaj> did you check kmixer ?
[21:45] <naderman> hey everyone, I'm trying to install kubuntu on a laptop with an ATI Radeon X1200 graphics card, the live cd fails to start x, but even the alternate cd keeps hanging with a blue screen after a little while, any idea what might cause this?
[21:46] <naderman> I've not found anything useful via google, looks like people successfully installed with the alternate cd and then fixed their drivers to be able to start x
[21:46] <minhaaj> i am using ati radeon x1400
[21:46] <minhaaj> and it works great
[21:46] <minhaaj> did you md5 the cd ?
[21:46] <naderman> yup
[21:47] <lovely> minhaaj: yes, and turned on and off the sound, and to top it off it was working till the upgrade
[21:47] <naderman> just running the integrity check again right now actually
[21:47] <helpy> what did you upgrade from ?
[21:47] <helpy> naderman:  download the iso and use wubi
[21:47] <helpy> !wubi
[21:47] <lovely> helpy: gusty
[21:47] <helpy> no idea. should work fine lovely
[21:48] <helpy> try doing a clean installation by kubuntu iso and wubi
[21:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> helpy: if he's trying to do a full install, don't suggest wubi.
[21:48] <helpy> why Daisuke ?
[21:48] <naderman> never heard of wubi before :o
[21:48] <helpy> wubi is awesome naderman
[21:48] <lovely> helpy: a crumb, anything to check out...?
[21:48] <helpy> i installed mine via it
[21:48] <helpy> no cds needed
[21:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> naderman: do you use windows?
[21:48] <naderman> there's a windows vista on that laptop, yes
[21:48] <helpy> nope lovely. i have never heard of kubuntu doing problems on any machines at all
[21:49] <Daisuke-Laptop> helpy: then you haven't been here long enough.
[21:49] <helpy> you might want to try xubuntu. its even faster and more kind to older machines
[21:49] <Daisuke-Laptop> naderman: and are you planning on a full installation of kubuntu on its own partition?
[21:49] <helpy> yep i haven't been Daisuke-Laptop
[21:49] <naderman> yes
[21:49] <Daisuke-Laptop> then you don't want wubi
[21:49] <Daisuke-Laptop> wubi will install the full os as a file on your windows drive.
[21:49] <naderman> heh
[21:49] <helpy> i installed kubuntu full install on my partition with no problems
[21:49] <helpy> i have dual boot with vista
[21:49] <helpy> and everything is fine
[21:49] <Daisuke-Laptop> helpy: not with wubi you didn't.
[21:49] <helpy> yes i DID
[21:50] <Daisuke-Laptop> wubi doesn't create partitions, it puts the entire OS in a single file on the windows drive
[21:50] <helpy> i am not sure about this Daisuke-Laptop but i have dual boot with vista and its working fine
[21:50] <helpy> my root is E drive
[21:50] <helpy> and i have access to both c and de
[21:50] <helpy> d
[21:50] <Daisuke-Laptop> helpy: i *am* sure about this.
[21:51] <helpy> ok :)
[21:51] <Daisuke-Laptop> it works
[21:51] <Daisuke-Laptop> don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with using wubi
[21:51] <helpy> i wouldnt know Daisuke-Laptop. you are senior and you are prolly using linux longer than i am
[21:51] <helpy> i am just saying that it worked for me.
[21:51] <Daisuke-Laptop> but if you want to actually partition the disk and use part of it dedicated to linux, i can't recommend wubi
[21:52] <Daisuke-Laptop> but yeah, i definitely believe it worked for you
[21:52] <Daisuke-Laptop> that's no problem :)
[21:52] <helpy> can't you use qparted after install ?
[21:52] <helpy> you can always get drive formatted for linux use later
[21:52] <Daisuke-Laptop> not with wubi
[21:52] <sensae> I've got Compiz running on my Kubuntu 8.04 install, and now the System Settings section shows I have 1 virtual desktop, but I have 2. It ignores it. How can I add more virtual desktops?
[21:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> there's no way (right now) to migrate a wubi install to a full install
[21:53] <helpy> i didnt try it but i guess you can Daisuke-Laptop
[21:53] <Daisuke-Laptop> sensae: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:54] <Daisuke-Laptop> sensae: in there, go to the general section under desktops, and change your virtual desktops (viewports).  compiz doesn't respect other DEs virtual desktop settings
[21:54] <helpy> Daisuke-Laptop: can you thread messages in thunderbird like gmail ?
[21:54] <helpy> i mean put a conversation in one thread ?
[21:54] <naderman> hmm so what do I do now?
[21:55] <helpy> naderman:  clean install ?
[21:55] <helpy> :)
[21:55] <naderman> ?
[21:55] <naderman> that's what I'm trying to do ...
[21:55] <helpy> back your data , get a cup of coffee and install again
[21:55] <helpy> :)
[21:55] <Daisuke-Laptop> helpy: not to my knowledge
[21:55] <naderman> right now nothing is installed
[21:55] <helpy> hmm. i am also trying to set PGP encryption
[21:55] <naderman> the install disks fail
[21:55] <Daisuke-Laptop> that's the most sensible thing i've heard all day.  the coffee will help relax you :)
[21:55] <helpy> if i encrypt my email, recipients have to have thunderbird to decrypt ?
[21:55] <Daisuke-Laptop> naderman: the alt cd fails too?
[21:55] <naderman> had too much coffee already today ;-)
[21:55] <naderman> yes
[21:55] <helpy> eheh thanks Daisuke-Laptop
[21:56] <sensae> Daisuke-Laptop: Thanks
[21:56] <naderman> the alt cd gets stuck on a blue screen
[21:56] <ejupin> i have an old dell inspiron 5000, should i use xubuntu or kubuntu?
[21:56] <helpy> both should work fine
[21:56] <naderman> the last thing before that is something about detecting HDs, an then a little later it's just stuck on a blue screen
[21:56] <Daisuke-Laptop> helpy: as long as you sign it with your key and use the recipients' public key to encrypt, they can decrypt it with their key regardless of email client
[21:56] <Daisuke-Laptop> naderman: are you using raid by any chance?
[21:56] <naderman> no
[21:56] <naderman> definately not
[21:57] <slow-motion> hi
[21:57] <naderman> I doubt it's related to the harddrives
[21:57] <naderman> appears to be the next step after that
[21:57] <Daisuke-Laptop> ejupin: personally, xubuntu
[21:57] <ejupin> daisuke-laptop: thats what i was thinking, wouldnt be as heavy i think
[21:58] <Daisuke-Laptop> ejupin: i use it even on modern machines, and they scream :D  plus xubuntu can do window compositing (drop shadows, transparency) without the overhead of compiz.
[21:58] <naderman> hmm ok looking at what the alternate installer does, it really appears to break before partitioning
[21:58] <ejupin> daisuke-laptop: thanks, i think im gonna load it up
[21:58] <Daisuke-Laptop> those are about the only two things i can think of that actually improve productivity when it comes to eye candy
[21:59] <buckethead> Heya. How can I reboot Hardy and not have it restart everything that was running before the shutdown?
[21:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> buckethead: make sure they're closed before shutting down
[21:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> kde restarts everything that was running before by default.
[22:00] <buckethead> Haha. I think I have something sneaky going on. That was my simple man troubleshooting.
[22:04] <deamon3> i want install vista Theme in ubuntu ?¿
[22:05] <HollowPoint> why?
[22:05] <deamon3> lol
[22:06] <TameLion> deamon3: I've seen some nice vista-style themes in emerald
[22:06] <pucko-> why don't firefox recognize common mimetypes? is there some automatic way to make it use the default kde mimetypes?
[22:06] <buckethead> This is new.. Why does dbus-send want administrative privledges?
[22:06] <HollowPoint> is it gnome or KDE?
[22:06] <TameLion> deamon3: Are you using kde or gnome?
[22:06] <TameLion> hehe
[22:06] <deamon3> KDE
[22:06] <HollowPoint> go have a look at kde-look.org
[22:06] <HollowPoint> www.kde-look.org
[22:06] <HollowPoint> plenty of themes there
[22:07] <deamon3> how can i install ?¿
[22:07] <cyberbird> vista are ugly
[22:07] <HollowPoint> once you've got the theme it's relatively easy these days
[22:07] <buckethead> Daisuke-Laptop: I figured out my problem.. 'Thunderbird can't start because it is already running' apparently can also happen when the profile is on an unmounted volume. I'm sure I could've figured it out without bothering you, If I had some idea of what I was doing LOL!
[22:11] <matija> I need some help with kubuntu. I installed it fresh today and I cant use tab completion in console. Is there anything that I need to install/fix for this ???
[22:11] <HollowPoint> you can't use tab completion in a bash shell?
[22:12] <matija> yeah
[22:12] <buckethead> matija: It works for me, But I always get annoyed at it when I get the caps wrong.
[22:12] <sensae> I didn't find it in the manpages - how do I make cp recursively copy hidden directories?
[22:12] <buckethead> Which is 96% of the time.
[22:12] <HollowPoint> cp -R /the/directory
[22:12] <sensae> HollowPoint: It ignored them
[22:12] <HollowPoint> :S
[22:13] <matija> well I'm really annoyed with this problem coz I use terminal a lot. For example I just wanted to install something with sudo apt-get install and except for sudo it cant autocomplete anything else
[22:13] <helpy2> matija did you try tab ?
[22:13] <matija> especially when you dont know the package name and pressing TAB only gets that annoying error sound.
[22:13] <matija> lol
[22:13] <helpy2> heh
[22:13] <helpy2> atleast you should know package name dude
[22:14] <helpy2> konsole is not YOUR mind.
[22:14] <matija> yeah but if you dont know the COMPLETE name tab completion comes in handy
[22:14] <matija> if I cant fix this its back to gnome for good
[22:14] <matija> and yeah
[22:14] <helpy2> it completes for me matija
[22:14] <matija> konsole IS my mind
[22:14] <helpy2> i am using hardy
[22:14] <helpy2> lol ofcourse it isnt
[22:14] <matija> me too
[22:14] <matija> 8.04
[22:14] <HollowPoint> well I just tried it in my own bash shell, it seems it doesn't auto complete until you're quite far through the word, for example sudo only autocompletes after getting to sud
[22:15] <helpy2> you just can't write c and expect matija to convert it into compiz
[22:15] <helpy2> because alot of packages start with c
[22:15] <HollowPoint> and apt-get only auto-completes after apt-g
[22:15] <jabba> any idea how i can get the virtualbox-ose-modules upgraded for the -18 kernel?
[22:15] <matija> helpy2, your everything except what your nick says
[22:15] <HollowPoint> open the package manager jabba, the search virtualboxose
[22:15] <helpy2> lol
[22:15] <buckethead> So you're saying I should be able to type 'sudo apt' <tab> and it will give me the '-get'? That seems a bit much to handle.
[22:15] <helpy2> matija:  i accept. i am new
[22:15] <jabba> HollowPoint: yeah, -16 and -17 are there, but not -18
[22:15] <helpy2> but it works for me.
[22:15] <helpy2> i was trying to make this point :)
[22:15] <HollowPoint> are you sure you're using the -18 kernel?
[22:16] <matija> HollowPoint, its normal to auto complete after apt-g because there are other commands
[22:16] <jabba> HollowPoint: you can set the order of your completions
[22:16] <Mojo_risin> hi. is it possible to install 4.1 right away, in a hardy fresh installation?
[22:16] <Pennycook_> matija: Have you got any tab completion at all, or is it only affecting sudo?
[22:16] <naderman> so anyone have any ideas why the alternate install cd could fail to load the partitioning tool?
[22:16] <matija> Pennycook_, well it completes apt-g when I type just that. When I just sudo apt-g it doesnt. It seems that it completes only first command
[22:17] <HollowPoint> naderman bad CD or the CD doesn't like your sata/ide hardware
[22:17] <buckethead> I'm not qualified to speak in this channel. You guys have a good one.
[22:17] <naderman> the CD is fine
[22:17] <helpy> ok i have google earth binary downloaded
[22:17] <matija> Pennycook_, any idea ??
[22:17] <helpy> how do i install that ?
[22:17] <HollowPoint> how can you guarantee that?
[22:18] <naderman> well at least the integrity check succeeded
[22:18] <matija> or should I go with reinstall
[22:18] <naderman> and the possibility of it being broken when that succeeds is rather low
[22:18] <HollowPoint> right, doesn't neccessarily mean it's a good cd, you may have downloaded a cd where the installer has been edited by the devs and they've made a slip up, happened to me once before
[22:18] <naderman> hmm
[22:18] <HollowPoint> bad cd doesn't neccessarily mean it's damaged or the data is unsound, could be a buggy release
[22:19]  * jabba <3 yakuake
[22:19] <HollowPoint> especially on the alt cd because as I understand it thats permanently experimental because it fixes bugs on the main cd
[22:19]  * HollowPoint agrees with jabba
[22:19] <HollowPoint> naderman are you on sata or pata drives?
[22:19] <Pennycook_> matija: vim .bashrc
[22:19] <naderman> it's a laptop
[22:20] <naderman> no idea whatit uses
[22:20] <HollowPoint> do you know if the drive is sata or pata?
[22:20] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[22:20] <naderman> I neither have it here, nor is it mine :D
[22:20] <matija> Pennycook_, meaning ?
[22:20] <HollowPoint> ah
[22:20] <naderman> I'm trying to install ubuntu on it via phone :/
[22:20] <HollowPoint> well what kind of laptop is it?
[22:20] <naderman> fujitsu siemens
[22:20] <HollowPoint> how old?
[22:20] <matija> fsc is garbage new. imagine when its old
[22:20] <Pennycook_> matija: Sorry.  Run "vim ~/.bashrc" in the terminal. If the last three lines are commented, uncomment them (remove the # from the beginning of each line), log out and then log back in.
[22:21] <naderman> relatively new, some opteron cpu and a radeon x1200 graphics card
[22:21] <naderman> guess I could check for more detailed info on it
[22:21] <HollowPoint> ok, any idea of the model?
[22:21] <naderman> I'll ask
[22:21] <HollowPoint> ok
[22:21] <matija> Pennycook_, theres nothing in ~/.bashrc
[22:22] <HollowPoint> did you run it as root matija?
[22:22] <matija> yeah
[22:22] <helpy> http://earth.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=44713
[22:22] <matija> and no
[22:22] <helpy> its not working
[22:22] <matija> tried both
[22:22] <helpy> i can't install binary
[22:22] <HollowPoint> k
[22:22] <Pennycook_> matija: Ah, that might explain it then.  Try editing /etc/bash.bashrc instead (that's the global configuration file).
[22:22] <matija> and as much as I remember there is file bash.bashrc in /etc
[22:23] <Pennycook_> matija: Yeah, that's right.  ~/.bashrc is supposed to be your own personal one.
[22:23] <matija> there are bash.bashrc , bash_completion and bash_completion.d
[22:24] <matija> should I uncomment enable bash completion in interactive shells ?
[22:25] <naderman> Daisuke-Laptop: However, this can also be accomplished by using LVPM, the Loopmounted Virtual Partition Manager, to transfer the Wubi-generated Ubuntu installation to a dedicated real partition, including a bootable USB keydrive.[1] The advantage of this setup is that users can test the operating system and install the drivers before they install it to a dedicated partition (and avoid booting and functioning risks).
[22:27] <Pennycook_> matija: Yeah, those three lines.
[22:27] <matija> tried and not working
[22:27] <matija> maybe I should kill X and login again ?
[22:27] <Pennycook_> matija: You may need to log out and log back in. Yeah.
[22:27] <matija> lemme just try taht
[22:28] <naderman> HollowPoint: Amilo X is as far as I can get :/
[22:29] <naderman> well I guess I wasn't right when I thought ubuntu was so easy to install by now that it'd just work :(
[22:29] <pucko-> what's the app called where I change my desktop resolution in kde? (need to run it from command line)
[22:29] <matija> Pennycook_, heh dude. works. now lets hope I dont get anymore kde crashes and everything will be fine
[22:30] <naderman> HollowPoint: ah she did find it: AMILO Pa 2510
[22:30] <Pennycook_> matija: You might want to see about getting a copy of somebody's ~/.bashrc for the future.  The global one might be overwritten by updates.
[22:30] <sensae> Okay, what happens to files if they get mounted on top of?
[22:30] <_Angelus_> anyone tried kde4.1 beta 1?
[22:30] <matija> is this normal for kubuntu ?? I didnt have those problems with ubuntu
[22:31] <sensae> I'm trying to move my home folder to an NFS share - I copied all files, including hidden ones to the NFS share, then I mounted it over my home expecting an error - it crashed my entire system.
[22:33] <HollowPoint> naderman I can't find any specific bug reports on that model but have seen plenty for other fujitsu laptops
[22:33] <sensae> Somehow it interferes with DCOP and brings the whole system down
[22:33] <HollowPoint> quite a few reporting pairtitioner not working
[22:35] <andrea> hello someone can help me whit dial up??
[22:37] <naderman> HollowPoint: I'm trying wubi now, maybe that'll work
[22:37] <naderman> doesn't need partitioning
[22:37] <naderman> and maybe I can get partitioning to work once it's installed
[22:38] <naderman> thanks for your help though :)
[22:39] <HollowPoint> no problem, I've heard lots of good things about wubi
[22:40] <helpy> google earth is splashing on screen
[22:40] <helpy> its not stable
[22:40] <helpy> any ideas ?
[22:59] <chrisinajar> so i just installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop..... how do i make it run?
[23:00] <NickPresta> !kde4
[23:06] <helpy> google earth isn't working in kde3
[23:06] <helpy> whole screen is blinking
[23:06] <helpy> any idea ?
[23:15] <BluesKaj> helpy, ati graphics
[23:15] <BluesKaj> ?
[23:17] <helpy> yes
[23:17] <helpy> ati radeon x1400
[23:17] <helpy> screen is flashing all the time
[23:17] <helpy> its screws up my screen
[23:17] <helpy> do i have to upgrade ati graphics ?
[23:17] <avihayb> umm, guys, I just lost my kde panle wuth the kmenu, can you remind me what app to run to get it back?
[23:18] <helpy> avihayb:  right click and add applications :)
[23:20] <avihayb> no add aplications in the desktop menu. kwin seems to be runing because I still have my walpaper, and desktop icons
[23:20] <adz21c> avihayb: which kde is this?
[23:20] <avihayb> 3.59 or somth
[23:21] <adz21c> kicker
[23:21] <avihayb> it disapeard after I ran a progam called spe from the kmenu
[23:22] <helpy> avihayb:  kwin --replace
[23:22] <adz21c> i think you should just need to run kicker in the run dialog and that should bring back to panel
[23:22] <avihayb> thenks a bunch adz21c, worked
[23:22] <adz21c> np
[23:23] <avihayb> it's empty, but my hdd  is, oh ok, it's being  populated
[23:23] <adz21c> lol
[23:23] <avihayb> :->
[23:24] <avihayb> would have kwin --replace done the job aswell?
[23:24] <adz21c> no
[23:24] <adz21c> thats if window decorations disappear
[23:24] <avihayb> good to know
[23:24] <helpy> how hard is that to add applications
[23:24] <helpy> right click and add whole task bar and clock widget
[23:25] <PhoenixGI> Hello all, btw
[23:28] <helpy> hi PhoenixGI
[23:38] <helpy> !fglrx
[23:39] <PhoenixGI> LoL looks like your cussing there
[23:39] <PhoenixGI> Yes, I'll like to buy a vowel for this command
[23:41] <brian88> hi, in Ubuntu there are "Advanced" level for window animations (I forget how to set it, maybe in Preferences). How to set that in Kubuntu?
[23:43] <helpy> heh
[23:43] <helpy> i can't get my google earth to work
[23:43] <helpy> it is flashing the whole screen
[23:43] <helpy> :s
[23:43] <brian88> helpy: what? flashing whole screen? what do you mean?
[23:44] <brian88> or you can install earth3d from Adept :))
[23:46] <helpy> google earth
[23:46] <helpy> its not working properly
[23:46] <helpy> it crashes the whole screen
[23:47] <brian88> helpy: okay.. just uninstall and reinstall it, may be it works, or because some dependencies are missing.
[23:48] <helpy> it tells you if you are missing anything
[23:48] <sensae> When I mount my NFS share over my home directly, my system crashes. Why?
[23:51] <deamon3> hey
[23:51] <deamon3> how can i put a sidebar ?¿
[23:51] <deamon3> what is this soft ?¿
[23:54] <minhaaj> !ati
[23:55] <brian88> deamon3: you can try Google Gadgets for Linux, it has a nice sidebar, but see the installation pages first, to see the dependency (it's source, which you downloaded)
[23:56] <deamon3> KDE
[23:56] <minhaaj> brian88:  do you know how to use google toolbar with ff ?
[23:59] <brian88> minhaaj: is's so easy, just install it.
[23:59] <sensae> Why is my system crashing when I mount my home over NFS?
[23:59] <bascule> sensae: because you overwrite all sorts of important sockets for X session and kde sessions, all the ~/.kde stuu dissappears too