[00:00] <nixternal> k, I am back
[00:00] <apachelogger_> nosrednaekim: go ahead
[00:00] <apachelogger_> wb nixternal
[00:00]  * nixternal got an irn bru
[00:00] <apachelogger_> hrrhrr
[00:00] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: fridge it better
[00:00] <Riddell> Tutorials Day
[00:00] <Riddell> should we have another one?
[00:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok, I'll give you something tommorow
[00:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: yes!
[00:00] <nixternal> Riddell: yes
[00:00] <apachelogger_> yes
[00:00] <Riddell> any suggestions for topics?
[00:00] <Nightrose> +1 for another tutorial day - the last one seemed to have been a success
[00:00] <Serega> yes
[00:01] <Riddell> seele said she'd do a talk on usability
[00:01] <nixternal> Basics and Getting Involved
[00:01] <nosrednaekim> python plasma widget....
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> I'd like a python plasma widget tutorial...
[00:01] <Serega> merging!
[00:01] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: is that you volunteering?
[00:01] <nixternal> Getting Involved would cover: artwork?, documentation, packaging, programming, and more
[00:01] <apachelogger_> Riddell: btw, I think we should do a packaging day once per cycle to get the latest and greatest software in, and to get more motus, faster
[00:01] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: depends when the session is, but If I can make it, sure
[00:02] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: on python plasma widgets (I've no idea how to make them)
[00:02] <seele> Riddell: is this a user or developer tutorial day?
[00:02] <Serega> +1 to apachelogger_
[00:02] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: oh, when
[00:02] <Riddell> seele: newer developers mostly
[00:02] <nixternal> Riddell: python plasma widgets are easy :)
[00:02] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: we can decide that when we know who's speaking, but soon
[00:02]  * JontheEchidna can't seem to figure out how to install the python example widget
[00:02] <seele> ok
[00:02] <Nightrose> txwikinger or yuriy could do a bug traige tutorial
[00:03] <Nightrose> *triage
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: it would have to be on a weekend for me
[00:03] <yuriy> yeah, i'll do one
[00:03] <Nightrose> yuriy++
[00:03] <a|wen> yuriy: cool :)
[00:03] <nixternal> I say we poll the community on what they would like to see (ie. email kubuntu-users and kubuntu-devel for ideas) maybe/
[00:03] <seele> Riddell: when is the date for this (or is that tba?)
[00:03] <Riddell> seele: to be decided
[00:03] <nixternal> tba
[00:04] <Riddell> nixternal: want to send that e-mail?
[00:04] <nixternal> Riddell: will do
[00:04] <nixternal> shoot, there is an America's meeting tonight
[00:05] <Riddell> ok, I'll talk to people and we'll work out a date and timetable
[00:05] <Riddell> nixternal your item next
[00:06] <nixternal> Riddell: any updates? ie. wiki page with everything pooled?
[00:06] <nixternal> from UDS that is
[00:06] <nixternal> we covered my * Days topic with the Tutorial's Day
[00:06] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs has them all
[00:06] <nixternal> rock on, so on to Kubuntu 8.10
[00:06] <nixternal> plans and ideas are covered
[00:07] <nixternal> what is the status of KDE 3? universe or gone for good?
[00:07] <nixternal> I keep hearing differently
[00:07] <Riddell> they aren't approved yet, so it's possible the specs will get split or wee bits changed, but not much
[00:07] <yuriy> about UDS specs, i was wondering about packagekit, because it's mentioned in one of the specs
[00:07] <yuriy> to be used for the notifier
[00:07] <nosrednaekim> yes, I'd like to know about packagekit too
[00:07] <ScottK> nixternal: I vote removal.
[00:08] <Riddell> nixternal: the desktop is gone, the libs will remain for where there's no kde 4 app yet
[00:08] <nixternal> then we need to stop merging/syncing kde 3 apps if we do decide on removing
[00:08] <nixternal> or are we keeping those
[00:08] <Riddell> it'll go to universe if there's no kde 3 apps needed in main, but I don't know if that'll happen (amarok, k3b, digikam all unknown)
[00:08] <nixternal> digikam will be ready by 8.10 release
[00:08] <nixternal> Nightrose or apachelogger_? amarok?
[00:08] <Serega> konversation :(
[00:08] <nixternal> haven't heard much about k3b
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> :( ++
[00:08] <nixternal> ahh ya, konversation as well
[00:09] <Riddell> if there's a stable kde 4 version (or one known to be stable before 8.10) we should go with that now
[00:09] <Riddell> else merge the kde 3 version
[00:09] <nixternal> I think most of my apps have kde4 releases soon
[00:09] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: I just saw a screenshot of kde4 k3b
[00:09] <nixternal> smb4k, krename, and I just forgot the others
[00:09] <Nightrose> october? I really hope we have something usable by then
[00:09] <apachelogger_> no
[00:09] <apachelogger_> not possible
[00:09] <nixternal> what?
[00:09] <apachelogger_> we would have to lock everything down
[00:10] <apachelogger_> get everyone to fix bugs and implement missing features
[00:10] <nixternal> wow, OK, so keep amarok kde3 in
[00:10] <yuriy> amarok 2 is decently usable already, is it really not feasible to have a usable version by october?
[00:10] <apachelogger_> yuriy: no
[00:10] <apachelogger_> gsoc code gets in
[00:10] <apachelogger_> and there is a lot of minor issues
[00:10] <Serega> +1, amarok is very good already
[00:10] <apachelogger_> and with a lot I mean tons of them
[00:10] <Nightrose> hmmm soc - good point
[00:11] <Riddell> or we could go with juk again
[00:11]  * Nightrose checks when soc pens down date is
[00:11] <Riddell> but that sort of thing we said we'd look at around 4.1 release time
[00:11] <yuriy> if somehow it comes down to amarok being the only kde3 app, should we go to juk by default?
[00:11] <nixternal> I wouldn't do that, we would be cussed to death
[00:11] <a|wen> yuriy: i would say no
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> I need my amarok by default... *hugs*
[00:12] <nixternal> ok, so this is something we can look at again in 2 months?
[00:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: pencils down for gsoc is in mid august
[00:12] <nixternal> err, less than 2 months
[00:12] <nixternal> next month
[00:12] <Riddell> nixternal: end of next month
[00:13] <nixternal> Riddell: my birthday
[00:13] <ScottK> nixternal: But if something is going to die in Intrepid (and we know it) let's kill it now so people don't waste time messing with it.
[00:13] <Riddell> I'm afaid we're still blocked on main inclusion reports for kde 4 in intrepid, hopefully pitti or doko will look at those soon
[00:13] <nixternal> ScottK: +1
[00:14] <Riddell> incidently the KubuntuIntrepidKDE4Porting has plenty of work for keen coders
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> yep... I was wondering if mountconfig needs porting?
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> I'd hate to see that not be in there
[00:14] <nixternal> Riddell: I am down for some coding!
[00:15] <Riddell> packagekit doesn't seem to be ready for bigtime from our discussions at fosscamp and uds
[00:15] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: as said, impossible
[00:15] <ScottK> Riddell: For packages that are in KDE3/KDE4 and we know they will go KDE4, why not just reuse the same package name an no MIR needed.
[00:15] <Riddell> I'd like to see it replace adept_batch, but for the rest adept 3 seems our best way
[00:15] <Riddell> ScottK: we do
[00:15] <ScottK> OK
[00:15] <Riddell> ScottK: the current block is just that kde 4 has a number of new dependencies
[00:15] <yuriy> Riddell: why have it replace adept_batch?
[00:15] <yuriy> and still have the adept notifier?
[00:15] <nixternal> there are new packages that need MIR (akonadi)
[00:16] <nixternal> libkthis and libkthat :)
[00:16] <ScottK> Why do we need akonadi in Main for this release?
[00:16] <nixternal> KDE PIM
[00:16] <Riddell> yuriy: notifier I don't think can ever use packagekit, and I believe packagekit isn't ready yet for upgrader
[00:16] <ScottK> Is it a build-dep?
[00:16] <nixternal> and there may be another app or 2 that utilized akonadi
[00:16] <nixternal> ScottK: yes
[00:16] <ScottK> I thought Kmail wouldn't use akonadi until 4.2
[00:16] <ScottK> OK.
[00:16] <Riddell> ScottK: kdepimlibs depends on it
[00:17]  * ScottK shudders
[00:17] <ScottK> OK.
[00:17] <nixternal> it actually works well
[00:17] <nixternal> at this current time
[00:17] <apachelogger_> I luv my akonadi
[00:17]  * ScottK loves his maildir
[00:17] <Riddell> but kdepim itself doesn't use it yet
[00:17] <nixternal> hehe
[00:17] <nixternal> mailody does
[00:17] <nixternal> ;)
[00:17] <apachelogger_> right
[00:18] <Riddell> shall we move on?
[00:18] <ScottK> Sure
[00:18] <nixternal> ya, skip the website updates, ryan isn't around
[00:18] <nixternal> we are still awaiting canonical on that I take it?
[00:18] <Riddell> Developer Days, Q&A Days, and more... -- nixternal ?
[00:18] <nixternal> Riddell: re: Tutorial's Day
[00:18] <Riddell> website is indeed still waiting on sysadmin to fix dripal
[00:18] <nixternal> we can tie those in
[00:18] <Riddell> drupal
[00:18] <ScottK> nixternal: I really don't like the idea of dumping all my mail into another opaque data structure.
[00:18] <Riddell> so Subteams nixternal??
[00:19] <nixternal> what do people think on having some structure like that?
[00:19] <Riddell> like what?
[00:19] <nixternal> it is something I am implementing with my new job and has people buzzing already
[00:19] <nixternal> a QA team, Packaging team, doc team, and so on...defined teams that is
[00:20] <nixternal> that way there we can create defined structure easily for future contributors to get involved in
[00:20] <yuriy> like this spec for support? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSupportTeam
[00:20] <ScottK> Are we big enough to need the bureacracy?
[00:20] <nixternal> just an idea, no need to yay or nay it right now
[00:20] <Riddell> what would the teams do?
[00:21] <Nightrose> ScottK: i don't think it is about need but about giving new contributors a clear point of contact
[00:21] <nixternal> work specifically and be point of contacts within each team
[00:21] <Nightrose> which i think is a very good thing
[00:21] <nixternal> right now, it is hard to see who is doing what and where
[00:21] <ScottK> We can make points of contact per function without having formal teams.
[00:21] <nixternal> true
[00:22] <ScottK> If you want to get involved in docs, bug nixternal for example.
[00:22] <nixternal> NOOO!
[00:22] <ScottK> I'm not sure what more we reallly need right now.
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> uhhg dinner... later
[00:22] <nixternal> later nosrednaekim
[00:22] <ScottK> If you want to get invovled in QA, contact nixternal
[00:22] <ScottK> You get the idea.
[00:22] <nixternal> hahahaha
[00:22] <nixternal> I knew you would go there
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> oh, and if you want to get involved in user support, please do contact me :)
[00:22] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: you're nixternal now?
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> nixternal? heck no
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> XD
[00:23] <Nightrose> nosrednaekim: noooo - it is "if you wnat to get involved in * contact nixternal" ;-)
[00:23] <ScottK> Functional contacts make a lot of sense, but I don't see a need for formal teams.
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> dang... I haven't been listening
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> :(
[00:23] <nixternal> oh, forgot to add...team reports
[00:23] <nixternal> ours suck
[00:23] <yuriy> do we do them?
[00:23] <ScottK> Splitting things up more than they need to be divides us and we're small enough that we ought to work really hard to avoid it.
[00:24] <nixternal> yuriy: I throw up sucky stuff once a month just so we don't get yelled at
[00:24]  * yuriy 's LoCo doesn't on some sort of principle
[00:24] <nixternal> I have no idea who is doing what
[00:24] <ScottK> nixternal: Explain to me why I should invest my volunteer time in report writing?
[00:24] <nixternal> you don't, we will just continue to suck in our report
[00:24] <nixternal> s
[00:24] <ScottK> Great.  I don't mind that a bit personally.  Is it a problem?
[00:24]  * a|wen agrees with ScottK ... but clear points of contact would be good
[00:25] <Nightrose> nixternal: what about you make a list of "teams" you think are useful and name people who could be points of contact
[00:25] <yuriy> i think a couple "hey guys, fill out the report!" on the 20th will do
[00:25] <Nightrose> and if they agree they could be responsible for the team reports as well
[00:25] <yuriy> for those that aren't opposed to it on principle
[00:25]  * ScottK likes a word like 'areas' or something rather than teams.
[00:25] <nixternal> ScottK: yes it is actually, because members within Canonical actually do read them and see where the worth in the projects are (at least according to other Canonical employees)
[00:26] <nixternal> well, there is a page on the wiki for Kubuntu contributors to put what they have worked on for the time period
[00:26] <ScottK> It's not clear to me how much Kubuntu needs to care about Canonical emplyees beyond the one.
[00:26] <Nightrose> ScottK: we should care if we want to change that number ;-)
[00:27] <nixternal> there is potential for that, but if our reports say "merging, updating, fixing bugs", then where is the worth in that? we can't go by the to prove we are worthy of being a valid project
[00:27] <ScottK> Nightrose: I think that'll change based on support contracts sold, not report writing.
[00:27] <nixternal> plus, I use those reports for the release notes
[00:27] <nixternal> it makes hunting on my part much easier
[00:28] <santiago-ve> @now
[00:28] <nixternal> but if I am the only one that really cares about them, then let it rest
[00:28] <Riddell> I'd like to see us have reports
[00:29]  * Nightrose cares about them as well - at least a little
[00:29] <yuriy> nixternal: i think prodding people a little a couple days before they are due will be enough
[00:29] <nixternal> yuriy: it isn't, been trying that for 3 months now
[00:29] <nixternal> you work on something the 1st, come the 20th you already forgot
[00:29] <Riddell> but it is another bit of administrata that is hard to find enthusiasm for when the time comes
[00:29] <yuriy> i wasn't aware the kubuntu team does reports other than release notes until i went poking through your revamped wiki
[00:29] <nixternal> and then after the release notes are out and the reports are complete, people are like "hey what about this.'
[00:30] <Riddell> but I think other teams are in a similar situation
[00:30] <nixternal> Riddell: I have no problem managing the reports, I have been doing it since we started pretty much
[00:31] <santiago-ve> sorry for being late guys...
[00:31] <nixternal> Riddell: also another thing I thought of, was Hobbsee was our community manager, and since she has gone to the dark side, were there any plans on keeping that open for someone, or just letting it go
[00:32] <hacktick> @time
[00:32] <Riddell> if someone wants it, sure
[00:32] <nixternal> Riddell: and yes, other teams are in that same situation in regards to the reports, but we don't want to be like those teams, we want to be #1
[00:33] <nixternal> what were the exact roles as a community manager?
[00:33] <Riddell> you'd need to ask Hobbsee
[00:33] <Riddell> point of contact mostly
[00:34] <nixternal> anyone you would like to appoint or just toss it out there for anybody?
[00:34] <Riddell> I don't think there's any answer to the report issue, unless someone is keen to do it, it's just a case of poking harder at the end of the month
[00:35] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm not all that fussed
[00:36] <nixternal> k
[00:36] <nixternal> any other points/
[00:36] <Riddell> I'm thinking we're done for this meeting
[00:36] <santiago-ve> Hey
[00:36] <nixternal> woo
[00:37] <nixternal> @now
[00:37] <Riddell> santiago-ve: hey?
[00:37] <nixternal> OK, that Americas Ubuntu Membership Approval Board is tonight for those of you wondering!!!
[00:37] <n0rman> :)
[00:37] <ScottK> seele: Is the MD meeting still on tonight?
[00:37] <santiago-ve> Riddell, meanwhile i learn how to package and stuff... i would like to contribute to the kubuntu website~
[00:38] <a|wen> nixternal: someone has to excercise ubottu ;)
[00:38] <santiago-ve> i've talked about that with nixternal before~
[00:38] <Riddell> santiago-ve: still waiting on sysadmin for the new website to be launched
[00:38]  * Riddell will poke about that tomorrow
[00:38] <yuriy> nixternal: for teams, you made the wiki page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams and I think it would be helpful for people to add themselves to it as contacts
[00:38] <Riddell> santiago-ve: seen https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidWebsite ?
[00:38] <seele> ScottK: yes at 8
[00:38] <yuriy> but don't see a  need to formalize it
[00:39] <ScottK> seele: OK.  I'm still the only one in the channel, so I wondered.
[00:39] <Riddell> yuriy: that sounds good
[00:39] <santiago-ve> Riddell, aye...
[00:39] <a|wen> Riddell: what about adding the teams wiki-page to topic in #kubuntu-devel ?
[00:39] <seele> ScottK: yeah, md peeps dont tend to sit on irc
[00:39] <Riddell> a|wen: go for it
[00:40] <a|wen> Riddell: it should be done through ubottu right?
[00:41] <Riddell> a|wen: no, it's a free topic
[00:41] <Riddell> meeting over, thanks all, let's move to #kubuntu-devel for anything more
[00:44] <nixternal> Pretto, n0rman, LaRoza, brandonperry, hacktick: MEMBERSHIP MEETING IN 1 HOUR AND 15 MINUTES!
[00:45] <Pretto> nixternal, thanks
[00:45] <n0rman> nixternal: thnx :)
[00:45] <nixternal> if you know anyone else I didn't just highlight, let them know
[00:45] <nixternal> I made an error earlier by thinking it wasn't tonight
[00:45] <n0rman> ok :) ehehehe
[00:45] <n0rman> np
[00:46] <Pretto> nixternal, hehhe.. as i said to you earlier :)
[00:46] <nixternal> don't know what I was thinking
[00:46] <nixternal> I saw June 5 and thought tomorrow
[00:47] <Pretto> nixternal, that ETC/UTC is a bit confusing
[00:47] <Pretto> nixternal, i lost the last meeting this way too
[00:48] <nixternal> make sure your wiki's are rockin' !
[00:49] <n0rman> i supposed that mine is rockin :P i hope :P
[00:49] <Pretto> n0rman, if i change something now i can mess it all :)
[00:49] <n0rman> :S
[00:49] <n0rman> :P
[00:58] <Andre_Gondim> @now
[01:12] <Pretto> @now
[01:14] <leogg> @schedule managua
[01:15] <n0rman> ?
[01:15] <Pretto> 07:00? changed again?
[01:16] <Pretto> @now
[01:16] <Pretto> no :)
[01:16] <n0rman> nop
[01:16] <Pretto> 07:00 is for Desktop Team
[01:17] <leogg> Pretto, it's GMT-6 time
[01:18] <Pretto> leogg, ok.. here is GMT-3
[01:19] <LaRoza> Why can't times be all the same?
[01:20] <LaRoza> I'd glady take the month to get used to it...
[01:20] <nickellery> so that people with different schedules or are busy at a certain time have a chance to come to the meeting
[01:21] <LaRoza> I mean around the world
[01:21] <nickellery> ooh
[01:21] <nickellery> sorry
[01:21] <LaRoza> Its alright
[01:21] <nickellery> so that we can see in the afternoon :D
[01:21] <LaRoza> Misunderstandings are common in text only environments
[01:21] <Pretto> i lost last meeting due to etc/utc misunderstood
[01:21] <nickellery> im terrible at that
[01:22] <nickellery> And I always have trouble trusting www.timeanddate.com
[01:22] <LaRoza> I came on this channel 4 hours early I think to avoid missing it
[01:22] <nickellery> Don't know why...
[01:24] <LaRoza> There might be a storm coming, if my internet goes out I'm sorry
[01:25] <hacktick> :)
[01:25] <Pretto> LaRoza, here is running now
[01:25] <Pretto> ops
[01:25] <Pretto> raining
[01:26] <LaRoza> Where is "here" for you?
[01:26] <LaRoza> I live in USA, Pennsylvania
[01:26] <n0rman> :P
[01:26] <jacob> LaRoza: same here. rain coming *and* my radio receiver box is failing. perfect combination!
[01:26] <Pretto> Laney, Brazil, Alagoas
[01:28] <vorian> LaRoza: Pennsylvania? awesome
[01:28] <LaRoza> vorian: Awesome for a particular reason?
[01:28] <LaRoza> Call of nature...brb
[01:29] <jacob> LaRoza: means you live next to the greatest state in the US! :D (awaits state-based flamewar)
[01:30] <LaRoza> Hopefully, you are not referring to New Jersey!
[01:30] <jacob> LaRoza: oh, no.
[01:30] <LaRoza> PA isn't a state, it is a commonwealth by the way
[01:30] <LaRoza> (Ohio, I know)
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> NJ! yes!
[01:30] <jacob> think southwest
[01:31]  * nosrednaekim is a proud member of that  wonderful loco team :)
[01:33] <jacob> ohio loco ftw.. though our team has been pretty quiet lately.
[01:35] <LaRoza> The storm is coming...
[01:35] <LaRoza> I hope I can stay, internet already is slowing down for me
[01:39] <Pretto> LaRoza, i hope that i don't loose the power force
[01:40] <nickellery> 20 more minutes~
[01:40] <nickellery> !
[01:47] <Pretto> @now
[01:48] <cody-somerville> wee!
[01:48] <jacob> ubottu is excited, changing the topic early and all
[01:50] <OgMaciel> hey there effie_jayx
[01:50] <nixternal> OK, if you are going for membership tonight, make sure you wiki pages are rockin' and get your supporters ready :)
[01:50] <nixternal> oh no
[01:50] <nixternal> OgMaciel: what are you doing here?
[01:50] <OgMaciel> hehehe
[01:50] <OgMaciel> nixternal: making sure YOU stay out of trouble
[01:51] <nixternal> this is an Ubuntu Membership deal, not a rPath/Foresight Membership :)
[01:51] <Pretto> nixternal, OgMaciel is my support :)
[01:51] <nixternal> Pretto: -1
[01:51] <n0rman> :)
[01:51] <Pretto> nixternal, hahhahha
[01:51] <nixternal> OgMaciel: he thinks I am joking :P
[01:51] <OgMaciel> :P
[01:51]  * OgMaciel knows nixternal has got his green shirt underneath
[01:52] <nixternal> OgMaciel: I am wearing an rPath shirt actually :)
[01:52] <Pretto> nixternal, hey... don't let me down before start :(
[01:52] <OgMaciel> hehe
[01:52] <fitoria> welcome alexio44
[01:52] <nixternal> hey man, I am an appliance dev now, and seeing I haven't gotten a Cleversafe t-shirt, gotta wear the next best thing
[01:52] <OgMaciel> nixternal: good choice
[01:52] <alexio44> hi fitoria ;)
[01:53] <nixternal> OgMaciel: speaking of Cleversafe and rPath, I am gonna be talking to you guys more than likely one day soon on some rBuilder and rMirror lovin'
[01:53] <OgMaciel> nixternal: we missed you here in Raleigh last month
[01:53] <OgMaciel> cool
[01:53] <nixternal> I will make the next one indeed
[01:53]  * OgMaciel is neck deep in rBuilder land
[01:53] <OgMaciel> QA
[01:53] <mneptok> RDU + summer = pain
[01:53] <nickellery> hey all
[01:53] <OgMaciel> yup
[01:53] <OgMaciel> 90++ today
[01:53] <nixternal> rBuilder, even though propriecrap, is the way to go
[01:53] <jkeyes0> yeah, F20/20 was a lot of fun, OgMaciel
[01:53] <OgMaciel> 98+ tomorrow
[01:53] <vorian> hello world!
[01:53] <nixternal> oh man, jkeyes0 is even in here
[01:53] <OgMaciel> jkeyes0: you said it man
[01:54]  * brandonperry is here
[01:54] <nixternal> wth, you all are spying
[01:54] <mneptok> OgMaciel: it's the "relative heat index" that'll kill ya
[01:54] <OgMaciel> etank: is here too
[01:54] <jkeyes0> :) I'm here to support awalton__
[01:54] <awalton__> \o/ supporters!
[01:54] <nixternal> etank is running Kubuntu, don't let him full you
[01:54] <alexio44> o.O
[01:54] <nixternal> fool too
[01:54] <hacktick> Il sopport everyone, although Im not a member :)
[01:54] <OgMaciel> mneptok: good thing we have good AC
[01:54] <etank> sup all
[01:54] <Rocket2DMn> we got some supporters for bodhi_zazen and LaRoza here
[01:54] <etank> nixternal: blasphemy
[01:55] <nixternal> boo on you
[01:55] <mneptok> OgMaciel: "alternative condo?"
[01:55] <nickellery> @now
[01:55] <etank> hehe
[01:55] <awalton__> I've seen it in person!
[01:55] <LaRoza> Rocket2DMn: Thanks
[01:55] <awalton__> nice foresight desktop.
[01:55] <OgMaciel> mneptok: huh?
[01:55] <hacktick> ubottus time is wrong...
[01:55] <nixternal> awalton__: you goin' for Ubuntu Membership? :P
[01:55] <OgMaciel> it is 88 degrees now
[01:55] <awalton__> nixternal, indeed
[01:55] <mneptok> OgMaciel: joking. "another place to live until RDU is restored to non-Venus-like conditions."
[01:55] <nixternal> don't make me send ya packin' to #foresight :P
[01:55] <etank> awalton__: you can't say the f******** word in this chan
[01:55] <OgMaciel> mneptok: hahahaha
[01:56] <awalton__> nixternal, hah, I don't use foresight ;)
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> haha
[01:56] <alexio44> !suse
[01:56] <etank> aahh nixternal idd it too
[01:56] <nixternal> hehe, awalton__ I do :)
[01:56]  * OgMaciel shows his 2 crutches to nixternal
[01:56] <nixternal> wasabi Technoviking
[01:56] <effie_jayx> Hello everyone
[01:56] <nixternal> oh no, kung-fu crutches!
[01:56] <Technoviking> wasabi!!!!! nixternal
[01:56] <OgMaciel> waaaaapow
[01:56] <mneptok> OgMaciel: stop that. we all know you're faking. ;)
[01:56] <nixternal> mmm wasabi
[01:56] <Technoviking> true true
[01:56] <OgMaciel> hehehe
[01:56] <awalton__> everybody was kung-fu fighting..
[01:56]  * cody-somerville prances around.
[01:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:57] <nixternal> wth cody
[01:57] <OgMaciel> those cats were... errr
[01:57] <mneptok> tasty?
[01:57] <nixternal> eww
[01:57] <nixternal> hahahaha
[01:57]  * OgMaciel drools
[01:58]  * vorian peers at vor-ubuntu 
[01:58] <mneptok> so, before things get started, can i suggest that a commitment is made to handle $NUMBER of applications, and anyone below the cut-off can leave? keeps people from sitting through a whole meeting for nothing.
[01:58] <nixternal> vorian: I did the same
[01:58] <mneptok> not that i'm bitter, mind you. >:P
[01:58] <vorian> :)
[01:58] <nixternal> mneptok: I want them all cleared tonight!
[01:58] <Andre_Gondim> @now
[01:58] <nixternal> no more leftovers
[01:58]  * vorian hugs mneptok 
[01:58]  * vor-ubuntu apologizes to vorian
[01:58] <OgMaciel> Andre_Gondim: get a watch  :P
[01:58] <vorian> vor-ubuntu: no need :)
[01:59]  * Joeb454 notices the tension between vorian and vor-ubuntu :)
[01:59] <effie_jayx> So do i
[01:59] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[01:59] <vorian> hehe
[01:59] <Pretto> Andre_Gondim, look at the top right corner of your screen :)
[01:59] <nixternal> #startmeeting
[01:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 20:01. The chair is nixternal.
[01:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:59] <nixternal> whoa
[01:59] <nixternal> it worked
[02:00] <vorian> yays
[02:00] <OgMaciel> niiice
[02:00] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Nick Ellery for Ubuntu Member
[02:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Nick Ellery for Ubuntu Member
[02:00] <nixternal> nickellery: you up first to get you on your way
[02:00] <nickellery> alright!
[02:00] <nickellery> Hi all, my name is Nick Ellery, and I am a resident of Vancouver, Canada.
[02:00]  * chuckf is here too
[02:00] <nickellery> I currently contribute to Ubuntu as an en_CA translator, answer tracker, laptop tester, and as a member of the Ubuntu Documentation Team.
[02:01]  * n0rman here 2
[02:01] <nickellery> Recently, I began working on Launchpad documentation too.
[02:01] <nickellery> I also participated in Tuesday’s Hugs for Bugs day here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080603
[02:01] <nickellery> For the Documentation Team, I currently work as a technical reviewer.
[02:01] <nickellery> My job is to review the system documentation currently in development, review it, and submit patches to be committed.
[02:01] <nickellery> A full list of every page I’ve reviewed can be view here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/TechReviewStatus
[02:01] <nickellery> My plans for the future include getting more involved in bug triaging and joining the ubuntu-bugcontrol team, becoming a member of the ubuntu-doc-core team which has commit rights, and increasing activity on the forums.
[02:01] <nickellery> My wiki page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cloudfx
[02:01] <nickellery> My Launchpad page:  https://launchpad.net/~nick.ellery
[02:01] <nickellery> Links for examples of my various contributions can be found on my Wiki page.
[02:01] <nickellery> Thanks!
[02:02] <nixternal> I can vouge for nickellery's doc work as he has been one of the few students to join up, contribute, not get bored, and stick around
[02:03] <nickellery> thanks nixternal :)
[02:03] <Technoviking> good karma
[02:03] <cody-somerville> I can vouch that my inbox gets filled up with bug mail from nickellery :P
[02:03] <nixternal> what is wrong with <xref linkend="foo-is-bar" /> when foo-is-bar is located outside of a book and in its own article?
[02:04] <effie_jayx> You seem pretty active in bugs. Congrats
[02:04] <nixternal> just kiddin' :)
[02:04] <OgMaciel> :P
[02:04] <nickellery> nixternal, -_- you scared me for a second
[02:04] <nixternal> On Deck: n0rman, awalton__, and then mneptok as they were bumped last week...get ready :)
[02:05]  * Pretto is waiting too
[02:05] <nixternal> Pretto: ya, sorry, you and cgregan to be exact
[02:05] <Technoviking> Looks like afine body of work to me, anyone else have any questions?
[02:06] <cody-somerville> nickellery, What was your biggest challenge yet?
[02:06] <nickellery> I would say that would be learning about the Documentation Repository.
[02:07] <nickellery> I'm not involved in any programming, and therefore it was something quite new to me
[02:07] <nixternal> haha, mine too (/me isn't the biggest bzr fan yet)
[02:07] <nixternal> our repos can definitely be tricky since we have switched from svn a while back
[02:08] <nixternal> [VOTE]
[02:08] <MootBot> Please vote on: .
[02:08] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[02:08] <cody-somerville> +1
[02:08] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:08] <nixternal> +1
[02:08] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[02:08] <vorian> +1
[02:08] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[02:08] <_MMA_> +1 Solid contributions all around.
[02:08] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[02:08] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[02:08] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[02:08] <Technoviking> +1
[02:08] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[02:09] <effie_jayx> +1 for his work :-)
[02:09] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7
[02:09] <nixternal> Rocket2DMn: can you please do a -1 since you can't vote
[02:09] <Rocket2DMn> yessir, it said public votes
[02:09] <vorian> (please don't vote if you aren't on the membership board)  :)
[02:09] <Rocket2DMn> -1
[02:09]  * cody-somerville giggles.
[02:09] <nixternal> hehe
[02:09] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:09] <MootBot> Final result is 7 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 7
[02:09] <cody-somerville> W O O T!
[02:09] <nixternal> congrats nickellery! and welcome!
[02:09] <nickellery> awesome!
[02:09] <vorian> welcome nickellery :)
[02:09] <nickellery> thanks to everyone!!!
[02:10] <nickellery> :)
[02:11] <alexio44> congrats nickellery :)
[02:11] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Norman Garcia for Ubuntu Member
[02:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Norman Garcia for Ubuntu Member
[02:11] <nixternal> n0rman: please introduce yourself
[02:11] <n0rman> Hi, im norman, 23 years old, actually im the main coordinator of the ubuntu-ni loco team, i was in this team since the beginning. Im a active person in my country, always organizing events and giving conferences like the linxutour, flisol 2007 and 2008, dfd 2008, sfd07.
[02:11] <n0rman>    	 	 	 	 	 	   Participating in these events give me the opportunity to talk to people about FOSS and let them know about the benefits of using it, also talk with enterprises, NGO and help them to migrate to linux.
[02:11] <n0rman>   
[02:11] <n0rman> I know that my particpation on LP.net is vbery low, thats because all my particpation inot the commiunity its physical uin my country.
[02:11] <leogg> I want to cheer for n0rman... he is a great leader and an inspiration for us all in ubuntu-ni
[02:11] <n0rman> Wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/norm
[02:11] <nixternal> definitely have some really nice feedback
[02:11] <jwendell> don't we have an order?
[02:12] <n0rman> LP.net page: https://launchpad.net/~naguilarg
[02:12] <nixternal> <start south/central american invasion>
[02:12] <nixternal> :)
[02:12] <Technoviking> jwendell: we are getting the people that we could not finish last week first
[02:12]  * OgMaciel gets nakesd
[02:12] <effie_jayx> I can attest n0rman's great work in the nicaragua team. The marketing and promoting in event is awesome
[02:12] <jwendell> Technoviking, Pretto is the first one
[02:13] <nixternal> wow, totally digging the radio, tv, and newspaper stuff....nice!
[02:13] <_MMA_> Yeah. That's rad.
[02:13] <Pretto> jwendell, at least in wiki page :p
[02:14] <effie_jayx> Nicaragua won sfd prize last year :-)
[02:14] <mneptok> jwendell: Pretto was not on last week's agenda
[02:14] <Pretto> mneptok, yes, i was
[02:14] <leogg> effie_jayx, yes!! and n0rman is the one to blame :)
[02:14] <jwendell> mneptok, he was
[02:14] <nixternal> Technoviking: ya, we are getting those that were bumped last week
[02:14] <mneptok> Pretto: were you present?
[02:14] <n0rman> and i was one of the main coordinator for the SFD 07 xD
[02:14] <Technoviking> please keep on topic or it will take longer
[02:14] <Technoviking> :)
[02:14] <nixternal> n0rman: is on right now
[02:14] <Pretto> mneptok, no, i was traveling without net connection
[02:15] <mneptok> Pretto: hence you not being first in line :)
[02:15] <OgMaciel> focus
[02:15] <Pretto> mneptok, as i said, i am the first in wiki page :) hehehhe
[02:15] <nixternal> I am definitely digging n0rman's contribus, future plans, and his community support
[02:16] <Technoviking> me too looks like a good body of work
[02:16] <nixternal> I am digging the fact I can't spell
[02:16] <OgMaciel> like that is news
[02:16] <OgMaciel> :P
[02:16] <nixternal> hah
[02:16] <OgMaciel> couldn't help it
[02:17] <OgMaciel> it's the Latin blood
[02:17] <alexio44> op 4 n0rman >> 120% on Logistics and Support for all the linux events / projects
[02:17] <nixternal> [VOTE] Norman Garcia for Ubuntu Member
[02:17] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Norman Garcia for Ubuntu Member.
[02:17] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[02:17] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[02:17] <nixternal> +1
[02:17] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:17] <_MMA_> +1
[02:17] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[02:17] <Technoviking> +1
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[02:17] <vorian> +1
[02:17] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[02:18] <effie_jayx> +1 viva nicaragua
[02:18] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[02:18] <cody-somerville> +1
[02:18] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[02:18] <leogg> felicidades n0rman!!
[02:18] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:18] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[02:18] <nixternal> congrats n0rman and welcome!!!
[02:18] <leogg> .ni kicks butt!!!
[02:18] <mneptok> viva Somoza! oh .... uhhh ... oops.
[02:18] <nickellery> congrats!!!
[02:18] <doctormo> only 7 minutes late ;-)
[02:18] <alexio44> congrats n0rman ..... cheers !!!!! :D
[02:18] <viperhoot> congrats n0rman !!!
[02:18] <Technoviking> congrats
[02:18] <n0rman> thanks!! xD
[02:18] <vorian> welcome n0rman :)
[02:18] <Pretto> n0rman, \o/
[02:18] <Technoviking> who's next
[02:18] <n0rman> :)
[02:18] <n0rman> thnsk
[02:18] <fitoria> congratulations n0rman
[02:18] <nixternal> [TOPIC] A. Walton for Ubuntu Member
[02:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  A. Walton for Ubuntu Member
[02:19] <awalton__> hurray
[02:19] <nixternal> awalton__: introduce yourself :)
[02:19] <ZehRique> congrats norman
[02:19] <awalton__> Please try to bear with me, I've been down with the flu for almost a week now and I'm not quite back to 100%. URIs: https://edge.launchpad.net/~awalton https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Awalton
[02:19] <awalton__> My name is Andrew Walton, as stated on my wiki page I go online as awalton and in real life mostly by my last name. I am 21 years old, and a resident of Central Kentucky and FreeNode IRC. If you have a question about anything, feel free to ask. Odds are good I'll get back to you immediately. ;)
[02:19] <awalton__> I have been a Debian-derivative user since Corel Linux, worked for a bit on the failed UserLinux project and now an Ubuntu user and evangelist since Warty. In the past six months I have been involved in Ubuntu development, working on the GNOME desktop, most specifically the Nautilus file manager, GVFS and GLib, and I do bug triage and patching on these components both upstream and downstream for Ubuntu. My real talent is i
[02:19] <awalton__> n writing code, but I try my best to be active in many other areas as well (occasionally in the Ubuntu forums where I try to get users to file bugs so we can track them, and often answering questions on IRC). I am also an active member of my local community group, the Ubuntu Kentucky LoCo, and the Bluegrass Linux User Group.
[02:19] <vorian> yikes :)
[02:19] <nixternal> rock on!
[02:19] <awalton__> My future plans for Ubuntu include joining the Ubuntu Desktop team and working on the future direction of the desktop, with issues such as FreeDesktop.org integration/migration and fixing long-standing user interface bugs being my immediate highest priorities. Maybe in a not-so-far-off future joining an Open Source company so that I can work on the software I love full-time.
[02:19] <nixternal> old school :)
[02:19] <awalton__> I had asked Sebastien Bacher to be here, but it's late in his timezone I believe. As such, I know at least a couple of members of my LoCo are here to cheer me on and mneptok can speak to my UbuntuGNOME-love if he wishes. Thank you for your time!
[02:20] <nixternal> ya, seb can't be here
[02:20] <nixternal> GNOME developer ey?
[02:20]  * mneptok is happy to confirm awalton__'s sustained contributions to GNOME
[02:20] <nixternal> chill vorian!
[02:20] <awalton__> there we so.. sorry about the chan-spam.
[02:20] <Technoviking> awalton__: looks like most of your work is upstream in Gnome?
[02:20] <nixternal> hehe
[02:20] <Technoviking> awalton__: Upstreams rock!!!!
[02:20] <mneptok> in fact, awalton__ was one of the first Ubuntu devs to get his ssh key replaced. or, rather, try to have it replaced. ;)
[02:20] <awalton__> Technoviking, somewhat so, but I fix a lot of problems that only come to my attention through Ubuntu.
[02:20] <nixternal> haha
[02:21] <cody-somerville> awalton__, what do you think of ref counting mechanism in glib?
[02:21] <awalton__> hehe, I try to be on the ball.
[02:21] <jcastro> gnomers rock!
[02:21] <jkeyes0> awalton__ would be an amazing addition to the ubuntu members. he has made some great contributions to Nautilus and GVFS, and is a valued member of BGLUG and the Kentucky ubuntu LoCo team
[02:21] <nixternal> jcastro: watch it!
[02:21] <vorian> hehe
[02:21] <mneptok> awalton__: like a trained chihuahua?
[02:21] <OgMaciel> oh noes! jcastro is not watching the game? :)
[02:21] <awalton__> cody-somerville, pretty happy with it. I've been a fan of generic reference counting over garbage collection for a long time though.
[02:21] <awalton__> mneptok, ;)
[02:21] <nixternal> OgMaciel: cuz he knows the Pengs are gonna win
[02:22] <awalton__> cody-somerville, my biggest problem with glib is the underabuse of properties in the code above it.
[02:22] <nixternal> PENGUINS ALWAYS WIN!
[02:22] <OgMaciel> nixternal: word!
[02:22]  * etank cheers for awalton__ 
[02:22] <etank> he is an active member in the KY LoCo team always available to help users
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: are you always this disruptive in your own meetings?:P
[02:22] <OgMaciel> game 7 baby
[02:22] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:22] <awalton__> gobject has a lot of really interesting facilities that people won't exploit for some reason...
[02:22] <nixternal> wow, awalton__ you have some impressive pimps....I mean supporters
[02:22]  * Technoviking points and commands focus :)
[02:22] <mneptok> awalton__: "inertia"
[02:22] <nixternal> haha
[02:22] <doctormo> awalton__: except in python :-P
[02:22] <cody-somerville> awalton__, Do you feel there is a good landscape of static analysis tools available to developers to automatically detect unsinked refs?
[02:22] <nixternal> I don't
[02:23] <awalton__> cody-somerville, unfortunately I don't think there are.
[02:23] <nixternal> cody-somerville: was that a trick question btw? :)
[02:23] <awalton__> cody-somerville, I also dislike the floating-ref thing, but that's a whole other issue ;)
[02:23] <nixternal> awalton__: any plans on getting into packaging?
[02:24] <awalton__> nixternal, I do, I'm just not sure how to get started. I've been reading up on how to do it though, and I would love to become an active packager during the Intrepid cycle.
[02:24] <nixternal> rock!
[02:24] <cody-somerville> awalton__, Have you thought about getting involved with Xubuntu? :)
[02:24] <nixternal> how about your 5-a-day? (jcastro there you go with some pimpage, make sure you tell daniel :))
[02:24] <etank> nixternal: but he is a GNOME guy so dont hold that against him
[02:25] <nixternal> etank: to late
[02:25] <etank> dang
[02:25] <awalton__> cody-somerville, I use a lot of your guys code in some of my private work, so I very well might. I think what's good for XUbuntu is also good for Ubuntu and GNOME, so anywhere I can lend a hand, I will try.
[02:25] <nixternal> [VOTE] A. Walton for Ubuntu Member
[02:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  A. Walton for Ubuntu Member.
[02:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[02:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[02:25] <nixternal> +1
[02:25] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:25] <vorian> +1
[02:25] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[02:25] <_MMA_> +1
[02:25] <Technoviking> +1
[02:25] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[02:25] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[02:26] <cody-somerville> +1 (+2 if he'll contribute to Xubuntu ;])
[02:26] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[02:26] <effie_jayx> +1
[02:26] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[02:26] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:26] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[02:26] <nixternal> congrats and welcome awalton__ !!!
[02:26] <awalton__> \o/ rock!
[02:26] <etank> +1 (prolly dont count though)
[02:26] <jkeyes0> congrats awalton__!
[02:26] <Technoviking> congrats awalton__
[02:26] <etank> woot awalton__
[02:26] <awalton__> thanks everyone!!!
[02:26] <vorian> welcome awalton__ :)
[02:26] <ZehRique> Wow! awalton__ !
[02:26] <doctormo> I wonder who does count... tribe
[02:27] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Kurt von Finck for Ubuntu Member
[02:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kurt von Finck for Ubuntu Member
[02:27] <cody-somerville> +1
[02:27] <nixternal> mneptok: introduce yourself please
[02:27] <cody-somerville> oops.
[02:27] <_MMA_> -1
[02:27] <mneptok> My name is Kurt and I'm a Gemini. I like long walks on the beach, snuggling, and sacrificing the unworthy to Cthulu, my dark master of the many tentacles. My hands are bloody, but my conscience is clean. They all deserved it.
[02:27] <_MMA_> :P
[02:27] <mneptok> I'm old and bitter, but I clean up nicely. I'm active in a lot of different aspects of the FLOSS world in general and Ubuntu specifically. Mostly because it does not require daily showering or pants.
[02:27] <nixternal> gahaha, I knew that was bound to happen!
[02:27] <ajmitch> oh no, not mneptok
[02:27] <mneptok> Most people around here know enough about me to know I have made significant contributions to Ubuntu and its community. These same people are familiar enough with me to want this all to be over quickly so they can drink enough to avoid the nightmares. With that, I place myself at your mercies ...
[02:27] <mneptok> In seriousness, I don't think I'm a stranger to most people here. And I expend no small amount of effort making that the case. I try to be a friendly, approachable face for Canonical on IRC and elsewhere in the community. I'm certainly a "people person," and getting me to stop working on free software is more a challenge than getting me to start.
[02:28] <mneptok> I also want to emphasize, in the strongest possible terms, that I base my candidacy entirely upon my contributions to the FLOSS community in general, and Ubuntu in particular. If my Canonical employee status is to factor into any decisions, I would prefer to withdraw my candidacy. This point is of paramount importance to me.
[02:28] <alexio44> o.O
[02:28] <ajmitch> not a stranger, just strange :)
[02:28] <jrib> understatement...
[02:28] <nixternal> I have know mneptok for to long, err for a while :)  nothing bad I can say at all and he has been a tremendous help in a ton of places
[02:28]  * mneptok presents a freshly polished halo
[02:28]  * ajmitch would certainly vouch for mneptok's longstanding contributions
[02:28] <nixternal> any nay sayers for mneptok?
[02:28] <nixternal> ;)
[02:28] <cody-somerville> mneptok,  What. is. love?
[02:29] <mneptok> cody-somerville: baby, don't hurt me ....
[02:29]  * awalton__ hugs mneptok, the mind taker.
[02:29] <nixternal> ajmitch: ya right, over 2 years and he is just now going for membership
[02:29]  * _MMA_ has know him since UDS-MTV and thinks he's a fine fellow. :P
[02:29] <_MMA_> nixternal: Seriously. :)
[02:29] <nixternal> [VOTE] Kurt von Finck for Ubuntu Member
[02:29]  * mneptok procrastinates sometimes.
[02:29] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Kurt von Finck for Ubuntu Member.
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[02:29] <nixternal> +1
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[02:30] <Technoviking> +1
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[02:30] <vorian> +1
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[02:30] <cody-somerville> +1 (Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.)
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[02:30] <effie_jayx> +1
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[02:30] <mneptok> cody-somerville: you assume i escaped the grue.
[02:30] <_MMA_> +1
[02:30] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[02:30] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:30] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[02:30] <nixternal> congrats and welcome mneptok!!!
[02:30] <vorian> congrats mneptok! :)
[02:30] <nixternal> about darn time honestly!
[02:30] <doctormo> nixternal: not biased then?
[02:30] <Technoviking> boo!!! and I mean congrats
[02:31] <nixternal> doctormo: not at all :)
[02:31] <mneptok> \o/
[02:31]  * mneptok feels the love
[02:31] <bimberi> gah, missed the chance to cheer mneptok (well... pre-vote)
[02:31] <_MMA_> Its because of mneptok I can say "quebecois" correctly. :P
[02:31] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Laudeci Oliveira for Ubuntu Member
[02:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Laudeci Oliveira for Ubuntu Member
[02:31] <OgMaciel> mneptok was a big help getting into buses at UDS-MTV  :)
[02:31] <nixternal> Pretto: please introduce yourself?
[02:31]  * MagicFab just got here too late to prevent mneptok's membership to happen...
[02:31] <Pretto> Hi friends. I have been involved with Open Source and with the Ubuntu Brazilian community since May 2005, I am using my free time to help people that is starting using Ubuntu in #ubuntu-br IRC from freenode
[02:31] <mneptok> OgMaciel: hurry up, you FAKER!
[02:31] <nixternal> MagicFab: hahahaha
[02:31] <mneptok> >:P
[02:31] <OgMaciel> hehehe
[02:32] <Pretto> also I am helping to make brazilian users have Ubuntu in their native language translating packages in launchpad as you can see in my launchpad https://translations.launchpad.net/~laudeci/ my work in translation could be noticed here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors, making me the second better scored brazilian guy in translation, I hope I could beat Andre_Gondim soon ;).
[02:32] <effie_jayx> mneptok, i always thought you were a member :p
[02:32] <Pretto> I also work with python trying to make applications that could improve Ubuntu usability and easyness, I am actualy working with two projects, APTonCD https://launchpad.net/aptoncd as main developer, and IUG https://edge.launchpad.net/iug and helping ogmaciel in billreminder project http://billreminder.sf.net/.
[02:32] <Pretto> Also, I´m Brazilian Planeta Member http://planeta.ubuntu-br.org and very active member in the Brazilian LocoTeam. I want to continue contributing to Ubuntu for a long time, not only translating, but making use of my knowledge to help new users on how to get the best from Ubuntu and making applications that could be incorporated  in it.
[02:32] <Andre_Gondim> Pretto, you will ;)
[02:32] <Pretto> My Ubuntu´s wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pretto my Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~laudeci
[02:32] <OgMaciel> Pretto: http://code.google.com/p/billreminder actually :P
[02:32] <nixternal> any supporters for Pretto except for OgMaciel
[02:32] <OgMaciel> haha
[02:33] <ZehRique> me
[02:33] <ZehRique> lol
[02:33] <Andre_Gondim> Pretto, has my suport
[02:33] <Pretto> hehhehehhe
[02:33] <effie_jayx> Pretto, your contributions with splications is quite impressive.
[02:33] <nixternal> Pretto: what are your plans for making a NON-GTK backend for BillReminder so I can go ahead and do the Qt4 frontend for it?
[02:33] <cropalato> me
[02:33] <OgMaciel> nixternal: :P
[02:33] <nixternal> OgMaciel: you knew that one was comin' :)
[02:33] <_MMA_> Yeah. Og dont count. Darn Foresight user. :P
[02:33] <Pretto> nixternal, this is up to OgMaciel
[02:33] <jwendell> I fully second Pretto on his candidacy
[02:33] <Technoviking> how come no package love for billminder
[02:34] <nixternal> Technoviking: cuz you haven't packaged it yet? :)
[02:34] <OgMaciel> Technoviking: there's a deb available
[02:34] <nixternal> actually, there is a deb available
[02:34] <OgMaciel> focus
[02:34] <nixternal> haha
[02:34] <OgMaciel> hehe
[02:34] <effie_jayx> Pretto, do you do any motu work atm?
[02:34]  * OgMaciel basques in the pimping
[02:34] <Pretto> :)
[02:34] <OgMaciel> effie_jayx: he should
[02:34] <Technoviking> nixternal: stop using logic againist me :)
[02:34] <nixternal> hahahahahahha
[02:34] <Pretto> effie_jayx, no, i was just coding and packaging was the Rafael Proença work
[02:35] <ajmitch> no matter where I go, nixternal is stirring up trouble
[02:35] <nixternal> Pretto: are you and OgMaciel roommates? I just noticed you and him working on APTonCD as well
[02:35] <Pretto> effie_jayx, but i expect to become a MOTU one day
[02:35] <OgMaciel> nixternal: Pretto is my twin brother
[02:35] <nixternal> OgMaciel can't be that good to work with :)
[02:35] <Pretto> nixternal, hahahhha
[02:35] <nixternal> OgMaciel: huh?
[02:35] <OgMaciel> hehe
[02:35] <_MMA_> Pretto: Has the grey text issue been fixed in AptOnCD?
[02:35] <effie_jayx> Pretto, any immediate plans?
[02:35] <nixternal> nice try
[02:35] <OgMaciel> nixternal: you forgot you're my evil brother
[02:36] <nixternal> OgMaciel: he looks way better than you in that one pic I saw, but he is missing the kung-fu crutches
[02:36] <OgMaciel> hahaha
[02:36] <Pretto> _MMA_, yes.. actualy we just need that Rafael Proença merge the code solving it
[02:36] <nixternal> Pretto: nice karma!
[02:36] <_MMA_> Nice
[02:36] <OgMaciel> seriously though, Pretto is a great developer
[02:36] <OgMaciel> he *should* get more involved with MOTU stuff
[02:37] <nixternal> [VOTE] Laudeci Oliveira for Ubuntu Member
[02:37] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Laudeci Oliveira for Ubuntu Member.
[02:37] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[02:37] <OgMaciel> enough translations... who speaks Portuguese any way?
[02:37] <nixternal> +1
[02:37] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:37] <jwendell> actually development != packaging...
[02:37] <Technoviking> +1
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[02:37] <vorian> +1
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[02:37] <_MMA_> +1
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[02:37] <OgMaciel> I know jwendell
[02:37] <hacktick> OgMaciel: I speak portuguese :)
[02:37] <jwendell> packaging is a quite harder :)
[02:37] <effie_jayx> +1
[02:37] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[02:37]  * OgMaciel needs someone to get BillReminder into Ubuntu land
[02:38] <OgMaciel> hacktick: hehehe
[02:38] <nixternal> cody-somerville?
[02:38] <cody-somerville> +1
[02:38] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[02:38] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:38] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[02:38] <nixternal> congrats and welcome Pretto!!!
[02:38] <hacktick> gratz
[02:38] <jwendell> Pretto, wowowowowow
[02:38] <vorian> congras Pretto :)
[02:38] <cropalato> Pretto, congrats. Where is the beer?
[02:38] <Andre_Gondim> Pretto, congrats ;)
[02:38] <n0rman> congrats Pretto!!!!
[02:38] <n0rman> :P
[02:38] <ZehRique> Congrats Pretto !
[02:38] <Pretto> thank you guys.. i am very very happy to be one of you
[02:38] <emma> Congratulations Pretto :) ♥
[02:38] <hacktick> paranbens!
[02:38] <effie_jayx> Congrats
[02:38] <hacktick> -n
[02:38] <Andre_Gondim> Pretto, this bill it's your
[02:38] <n0rman> good work!
[02:38] <Pretto> emma, thank you
[02:38] <ZehRique> Good guy!
[02:38] <Technoviking> congrats
[02:38] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Chris Gregan for Ubuntu Member
[02:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chris Gregan for Ubuntu Member
[02:38] <_MMA_> \m/
[02:38] <cropalato> mandou bem negão
[02:39] <nixternal> cgregan: please introduce yourself?
[02:39] <ZehRique> hehe
[02:39]  * OgMaciel goes back to his hockey gane
[02:39] <OgMaciel> game too
[02:39] <OgMaciel> night all
[02:39] <cgregan> Hello folks....I'm a QA Engineer for Ubuntu Mobile Edition
[02:39] <nixternal> cgregan: where at in Maryland are you?
[02:39] <cgregan> Although my experience with FLOSS started as a Open source consultant
[02:40] <cgregan> Frederick MD
[02:40] <nixternal> nice, I lived in southern Maryland, St. Mary's County and DC
[02:40] <nixternal> another one with a sick amount of karma
[02:40] <cgregan> I was promoting Open source in schools, and non-profits for a few years before landing a job with Canonical
[02:40]  * _MMA_ moved from P.G. County to Raleigh N.C. and misses D.C. every day. :(
[02:40] <cgregan> I am the owner of several projects
[02:40] <nixternal> cgregan: how is the mobile community (ie. non-Canonical) side of Ubuntu?
[02:41] <Technoviking> cgregan: sounds like Ibex will be exciting for Ubuntu Mobile
[02:41] <nixternal> Technoviking: you saw those screenshots? mmmm hawt!
[02:41] <cgregan> nixternal: No mobile outside of Canonical since my positions in proprietary comapnies on the west coast
[02:41] <Technoviking> nixternal: I want it now:)
[02:42] <nixternal> cgregan: any plans for a Mobile Kubuntu Edition? If not, what do I need to do in order to start something like that?
[02:42] <cgregan> I was a user and promoter of Ubuntu through my consulting...and it seemed like a good move
[02:42] <nixternal> I should have just asked the latter part of that question
[02:42] <cgregan> nixternal: Your best bet is to wait for our first release...we have plans to make it more community oriented after that
[02:42] <Technoviking> great karma
[02:43] <cgregan> right now it is a bit scattered
[02:43] <cgregan> Which is why I am here
[02:43] <cgregan> I need to keep better information out there
[02:43] <cgregan> blogging on planet..etc.
[02:43] <nixternal> rock on
[02:44] <nixternal> anyone here to support cgregan?
[02:44] <cgregan> I set up public testing on the wiki to help and I manage the bugs for UME as well...but the information is still limited
[02:44] <chuckf> I can say that he's been a help at events for the MD Loco team
[02:44] <nixternal> w00t MD LOCO!!!
[02:45] <nixternal> speaking of MD LoCo, are you guys at the meeting right now?
[02:45] <cgregan> Last hour
[02:45] <HardDisk> evening, or should I say good morning (4:45am my time)
[02:45] <nixternal> hehe
[02:45] <chuckf> you missed it
[02:45] <brandonperry> good morning HardDisk
[02:45] <nixternal> alrighty, voting time!
[02:45] <HardDisk> hehe brandonperry you here too :)
[02:45] <brandonperry> yeah, I am appying today
[02:45] <nixternal> [VOTE] Chris Gregan for Ubuntu Member
[02:45] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Chris Gregan for Ubuntu Member.
[02:45] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[02:45] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[02:45] <brandonperry> :-)
[02:45] <vorian> +1
[02:45] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:45] <nixternal> +1
[02:45] <Technoviking> +1
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[02:45] <_MMA_> +1
[02:46] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[02:46] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[02:46] <effie_jayx> +1
[02:46] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[02:46] <nixternal> cody-somerville?
[02:46] <mdz> hmm, MootBot's example of private voting does not match the preceding text
[02:46] <HardDisk> I'm just here to vote for someone here then I'm off to bed.
[02:47] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:47] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[02:47] <nixternal> congrats and welcome cgregan!!!
[02:47] <vorian> welcome cgregan :)
[02:47] <effie_jayx> cgregan,  congrats
[02:47] <nixternal> mdz: it seems a bit off
[02:47] <ZehRique> Congrats cgregan!
[02:47] <cgregan> Thanks! I look forward to sharing a ton of info with the community in the future!
[02:47] <Pretto> congrats cgregan
[02:47] <Technoviking> congrats
[02:47] <doctormo> cgregan: you needed membership to do that?
[02:47] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Henrique Machado for Ubuntu Member
[02:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Henrique Machado for Ubuntu Member
[02:48] <cgregan> Doctormo: no...but it is an excellent way
[02:48] <nixternal> ZehRique: please introduce yourself
[02:48] <ZehRique> Thanks.
[02:48] <ZehRique> Hi all. My name is Henrique Paulino Machado, and I live in Jaboticabal, Sao Paulo, Brazil.
[02:48] <ZehRique> My wiki page is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HenriquePMachado
[02:48] <ZehRique> My profile on launchpad is at: https://edge.launchpad.net/~zehrique
[02:48] <ZehRique> I am contributor to the Brazilian Porguese Translation of Ubuntu's Gnome version and I'm talking with Marco Ferragina about his cGMail applet, to help him with some code. (His applet is excellent for me).
[02:48] <ZehRique> In my city, as I said on the wiki, I'm planning to attend to local Demo Days and InstallFests to help promoting Ubuntu and the free software.
[02:48] <ZehRique> When I have free time, I use to give support on the #ubuntu-br channel, here on freenode.
[02:48] <nixternal> chuckf: you are next, sorry I skipped you
[02:48] <chuckf> np
[02:48] <ZehRique> I was recently approved as a GNOME translator into the pt_BR branch too.
[02:48] <ZehRique> I am planning a small software with a friend, written in Python, to interact with some models of the DLINK ADSL modems, for helping users configure and get info on their device within the Gnome environment.
[02:49] <nixternal> anyone here to pimp ZehRique?
[02:49]  * Andre_Gondim suports ZehRique 
[02:49]  * Pretto too
[02:49] <Technoviking> nixternal: that sounds wrong
[02:49] <nixternal> hehe
[02:50] <HardDisk> Technoviking disapproves!
[02:50] <HardDisk> don't hurt him now :)
[02:50] <nixternal> gahahahahaha, I just now looked at what I said...I meant support, honestly I did
[02:50] <hacktick> ^^
[02:50] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[02:51] <nixternal> ZehRique: are you guys involved with the 5-a-day stuff down there Brazil?
[02:51] <_MMA_> ZehRique: How much have you translated for GNOME? And how long have you been a part of that team?
[02:51] <ZehRique> nixternal, yes.
[02:51] <cody-somerville> ZehRique, So it appears that your translation efforts are rather recent
[02:52] <HardDisk> ZehRique, what exactly are you planning for the DLINK project?
[02:52] <ZehRique> _MMA_, i approval is recent on the GNOME team.
[02:52] <vorian> ZehRique: what are you doing for the gnome team?
[02:53] <ZehRique> HardDisk, I intend to do a sotware to control the modem from the GNOME Environment. Without using the browser.
[02:53] <HardDisk> ZehRique, how will that be better than using webui?
[02:53] <ZehRique> vorian, I am helping translating it into Brazilian Portuguese yet.
[02:54] <mneptok> ZehRique: you have not been approved for GNOME SVN access, though. or do you have a ticket waiting?
[02:54] <Andre_Gondim> ZehRique does good translations
[02:54] <ZehRique> HardDisk, well. I think if i put an icon on GNOME systray we could give instant access to some status.
[02:55] <HardDisk> ok thank you.
[02:55] <ZehRique> mneptok, I currently have no work at SVN.
[02:55] <mneptok> ZehRique: OK, just wanted to make sure you weren't waiting on a GNOME RT approval.
[02:56] <mneptok> ZehRique: in most cases you won;t get one. we try to keep a single maintainer per language
[02:56] <ZehRique> mneptok, I will be more active after the 2.24.0 startup
[02:56]  * mneptok nods
[02:56] <cody-somerville> ZehRique, it seems like you're off to a good start but I think we're looking for applicants to be more well rounded and have a longer period of sustained contribution.
[02:56] <ZehRique> cody-somerville, ok.
[02:57] <cody-somerville> If you'd like any help on further directions on how to do just that, feel free to contact any member of the board and we'll be sure to point you in the right direction.
[02:57] <nixternal> ZehRique: would you mind if we asked you to come back at a later time and give membership a shot again once you have a bit more contributions under your belt?
[02:57] <effie_jayx> ZehRique,  we think your inittial contributions are leading you to where its at, but we feel we need to see more sustanable contributions
[02:57] <vorian> ZehRique: yes, please continue with the great translation work
[02:57] <nixternal> ie. you are on the bug squad with a low bug karma, work that up and you will be good
[02:57] <nixternal> more translations would be wonderful as well
[02:57] <ZehRique> OK,1
[02:57] <ZehRique> ok!
[02:58] <effie_jayx> ZehRique,  a bit of more bug tackling ... should you need any help ping me :D
[02:58] <Technoviking> ZehRique: Please come back after you get some more work under your belt, it is a great start
[02:58] <mneptok> ZehRique: be sure to introduce yourself (if you haven't already) to OgMaciel and fatalerror on GIMPnet
[02:58] <cody-somerville> woot!
[02:58] <ZehRique> Technoviking, no problem. :)
[02:58] <Pretto> ZehRique, keep on working, you will get there
[02:58] <nixternal> [VOTE] Request that Henrique Machado revisit the board for membership in the future
[02:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Request that Henrique Machado revisit the board for membership in the future.
[02:58] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[02:58] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[02:58] <nixternal> +1
[02:58] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[02:58] <cody-somerville> +1
[02:58] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[02:58] <HardDisk> +1
[02:58] <MootBot> +1 received from HardDisk. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[02:58] <_MMA_> +1 For now. It's a great start but like others I'd like to see a more ﻿sustained contribution.
[02:58] <vorian> +1
[02:58] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[02:58] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[02:58] <Technoviking> +1
[02:58] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[02:59] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[02:59] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[02:59] <HardDisk> Good luck ZehRique
[02:59] <Technoviking> ZehRique: I look forward to seeing you again for membership
[02:59] <cody-somerville> And I think that wraps up this meeting!
[02:59] <ZehRique> Thanks, guys!
[02:59] <doctormo> Interesting negative vote avoidance... curious, the social aspects must be studied.
[02:59] <Andre_Gondim> ZehRique, congrats
[02:59] <nixternal> ZehRique: we really appreciate how you have started and I would say you continue and within a month of more contributions we would definitely welcome you back!
[02:59] <leftyb> uh
[02:59] <brandonperry> yeah
[02:59] <HardDisk> Next on the list
[02:59] <bimberi> doctormo: +1 :)
[03:00] <leftyb> did we run out of time?
[03:00] <nixternal> leftyb: not yet :)
[03:00] <nixternal> one second
[03:00] <brandonperry> hrm
[03:00] <Pretto> hacktick, i think
[03:00] <nixternal> HardDisk: could you please refrain from voting
[03:00] <HardDisk> sorry.
[03:00] <Joeb454> leftyb, it's been 1 hour, I know that much
[03:00] <nixternal> no prob
[03:00] <HardDisk> Didn't know non-members couldn't vote, my fault.
[03:00] <leftyb> not sure how long these usually go
[03:01] <Joeb454> me either :)
[03:01] <xander21c> who's next guys??
[03:01] <doctormo> nixternal: you might want to fix the bot
[03:01] <nixternal> [TOPIC] LaRoza for Ubuntu Member
[03:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  LaRoza for Ubuntu Member
[03:01] <nixternal> LaRoza: you around?
[03:01] <LaRoza> Yes
[03:01] <LaRoza> Hello. You may remember from the last meeting. I would like to apologize for my conduct at that time. I was very tired and distracted and wasn't feeling well, and I shouldn't have gone to the meeting knowing I was not in the right frame of mind. My wiki page is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaRoza and my launchpd page is: https://launchpad.net/~laroza
[03:01] <nixternal> groovy, we really appreciate you coming back and taking care of that!
[03:02] <vorian> w00t LaRoza!
[03:02] <effie_jayx> LaRoza,  we are glad to have you here today
[03:02] <LaRoza> I myself wasn't happy when I read the transcript, and am not pleased with my conduct
[03:02] <nixternal> LaRoza: we pretty much got everything, so I am going to propose we go ahead and call a vote...board?
[03:03]  * jacob cheers for LaRoza: very helpful member of the forum community, always willing to dedicate time towards helping someone in the late hours at night when no one else wants to
[03:03] <Technoviking> anymore support for LaRoza
[03:03] <effie_jayx> LaRoza,  I would ask only about thse extra things you just documented, I notices de testimonials have gone up
[03:03]  * LaRoza thanks jacob 
[03:03]  * _MMA_ looks back at the logs from last meeting.
[03:03] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Laroza
[03:03] <effie_jayx> very significant words from very respectable people
[03:03] <Technoviking> once again my strong support for Laroza
[03:03] <nixternal> effie_jayx: ditto
[03:03] <Joeb454> Not a member, but I can't say much more than jacob has already said
[03:03] <LaRoza> What do you want to know? Some of them are here
[03:03]  * Old_Soldier thanks Laroza for his contributions on the UCF
[03:03] <Alan_M> +1 LaRoza
[03:04] <nixternal> hehe, LaRoza if you only had all of this last week...feel the love! feel the love!
[03:04]  * LaRoza thanks all that showed their support 
[03:04] <nixternal> no doubt!
[03:04] <nixternal> [VOTE] LaRoza for Ubuntu Member
[03:04] <MootBot> Please vote on:  LaRoza for Ubuntu Member.
[03:04] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[03:04] <effie_jayx> LaRoza,  I do have one questio
[03:04] <nixternal> +1
[03:04] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[03:04] <LaRoza> effie_jayx: Yes?
[03:04] <Technoviking> +1
[03:04] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[03:04] <effie_jayx> or vote :D
[03:04] <vorian> +1
[03:04] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[03:04] <effie_jayx> +1
[03:04] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[03:05] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[03:05] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[03:05] <nixternal> congrats and welcome LaRoza!!! \o/
[03:05] <overdrank> congrats LaRoza
[03:05] <jacob> whooooo! congrats LaRoza!!!
[03:05] <LaRoza> Thanks, I appreciate it.
[03:05] <Rocket2DMn> congrats LaRoza !
[03:05] <Technoviking> congrats LaRoza
[03:05] <Joeb454> congrats LaRoza :)
[03:05] <LaRoza> effie_jayx: Is your question still wanting to be asked?
[03:05] <vorian> CONGRATS LAROZA!!!!
[03:05] <Old_Soldier> congrats laroza :0
[03:05] <LaRoza> Thanks vorian
[03:05] <bodhi_zazen> wOOt
[03:05] <effie_jayx> LaRoza,  nah ;)
[03:05] <LaRoza> Good luck bodhi_zazen
[03:05] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Bodhi.zazen for Ubuntu Member
[03:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bodhi.zazen for Ubuntu Member
[03:06] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: your turn :)
[03:06] <vorian> w00t bodhi_zazen!!!!!
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> Permission to flood ?
[03:06] <effie_jayx> LaRoza,  keep holding the fort over at the forums... :D
[03:06] <Old_Soldier> go Bodhi :)
[03:06] <LaRoza> effie_jayx: Why? I got it and I don't need to do anything now
[03:06] <Pretto> LaRoza, welcome :)
[03:06] <LaRoza> (joking...)
[03:06] <Rocket2DMn> * UF Beginners Team cheers *
[03:06] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: permission denied :) keep it simple, give us the hot stuff :)
[03:06] <Alan_M> go bodhi_zazen ! :)
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> Bodhi.zazen here, thanks everyone.
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> As many here may know I am active on the forums, not so much on IRC.
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bodhi6   http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=89054
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> Sigbar : http://ubuntuforums.org/signaturepics/sigpic89054_9.gif
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> I would like a set of those orange ubuntu member rings please, my daughters favorite color is orange you see ... lol
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> Seriously though, I can see now my application is overdue and I apologize. I think of myself as low key (although not in a sig bar kind of way) and although I do promote Ubuntu I do not like to self promote (any way to hide post count? :lolflag:)
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> It has been an honor to help with the forums, and before I forget, the Beginner Team ROCKS (you know who you are).
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> So why now ? I started a LUG and would like to hand out bodhi.zazen Ubuntu cards ? More important, I hope any semblance of “leadership” I may carry can be used to encourage new (and not so new) users to become more involved with the community.
[03:06] <bodhi_zazen> I use an alias as I am a professional, and although it is not a secret, I do not want to advertise it either (nor allow the profession to divide the community).
[03:07] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: you have awesome support! great documentation! and a sweet picture on your wiki :)
[03:07] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: you aren't the only one using an alias and it is totally understandable
[03:08] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: what do you do for the Hardened team?
[03:10] <Andre_Gondim> netsplit
[03:10] <nixternal> there we go
[03:10] <nixternal> holy smokes, we lost everyone
[03:12] <leftyb> ooo .. bad timing for a split
[03:12] <the-stace> woops server down
[03:12] <bodhi_zazen> so limited travel that way
[03:12] <leftyb> there we go :)
[03:12] <Alan_M> wow, there we go
[03:12] <jacob> great timing, eh?
[03:12] <effie_jayx> bodhi_zazen, ahhh I see, but not you personally the teams in you are involved with?
[03:12] <bodhi_zazen> I have Ubuntu CD's from Launchpad
[03:12] <bodhi_zazen> Give 'em out to prfessional contacts
[03:12] <bodhi_zazen> Give professional talks, 100 % Ubuntu (GO Open Office)
[03:12] <nixternal> oi
[03:12] <nixternal> that sucked
[03:12] <nixternal> what did I miss?
[03:12] <bodhi_zazen> effie_jayx, come again
[03:12] <vorian> I have to say that the work you do with the Beginners on Ubuntu Forums is FANTASTIC!
[03:12] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: what do you do for the Hardened team?
[03:12] <vorian> nixternal: nothing
[03:13] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: you have awesome support! great documentation! and a sweet picture on your wiki :)
[03:13] <bodhi_zazen> for the hardening team, nothing
[03:13] <nixternal> just in case none of my stuff made it
[03:13] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to raise the awareness of secuity
[03:13] <bodhi_zazen> so I joined the team is all
[03:13] <Rocket2DMn> he's been preaching security to us for quite awhile
[03:13] <vorian> bodhi_zazen: do you have the link handy on your server security info?
[03:14] <nixternal> bodhi_zazen: hrmm, UDSF huh? how come not Ubuntu Documentation? do you write for UDSF?
[03:14] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[03:14] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[03:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[03:14] <nixternal> whoa
[03:14] <bodhi_zazen> I started learning to wiki on the UDSF
[03:14] <bodhi_zazen> Now I wiki with Ubuntu
[03:15] <nixternal> ahh, well we could use on the documentation team
[03:15] <bodhi_zazen> I also promote the ubutnu wiki with the team
[03:15] <nixternal> you obviously have the doc experience and I really like what I have seen doc wise from you
[03:15] <bodhi_zazen> I am on the wiki mailing list
[03:15] <bodhi_zazen> and I refer Beginner team members to the wiki team
[03:15] <nixternal> rock on!
[03:16] <HardDisk> I don't think bod even needs a vote :)
[03:16] <bodhi_zazen> I listed a few wiki pages I feel I made significant contributions to
[03:16] <nixternal> ya, looked at those and they are all good, all of your doc links are good
[03:16] <doctormo> now now, everyone, even god needs a vote to become a member ;-)
[03:16] <HardDisk> lol
[03:16] <bodhi_zazen> Well, to be honest, that is what I like to do
[03:16] <nixternal> [VOTE] Bodhi.zazen for Ubuntu Member
[03:16] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Bodhi.zazen for Ubuntu Member.
[03:16] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[03:16] <nixternal> +1
[03:16] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[03:16] <bodhi_zazen> and I like to see people grow into Ubuntu
[03:16] <Technoviking> +1
[03:16] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[03:17] <effie_jayx> +1
[03:17] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[03:17] <HardDisk> he documents like Michelangelo
[03:17] <_MMA_> +1
[03:17] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[03:17] <vorian> +1
[03:17] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[03:17] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[03:17] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[03:17] <nixternal> congrats and welcome bodhi_zazen!!!
[03:17] <LaRoza> Congrat bodhi_zazen!
[03:17] <overdrank> w00t bodhi_zazen
[03:17] <vorian> Congrats and welcome bodhi_zazen !!!!!!
[03:17] <the-stace> wooooooohoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
[03:17] <jacob> congrats bodhi_zazen!!!! :D
[03:17] <HardDisk> def deserves it
[03:17] <Old_Soldier> Grats Bodhi :) !!
[03:17] <the-stace> Congrats bodhi_zazen!!!!!!
[03:17] <Technoviking> congrats bodhi_zazen
[03:17] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you everyone
[03:17] <Rocket2DMn> congrats bodhi_zazen
[03:17] <ZehRique> congrats bodhi_zazen
[03:17] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Mike Rushton for Ubuntu Member
[03:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mike Rushton for Ubuntu Member
[03:17] <nixternal> xander21c: your turn :)
[03:17] <doctormo> woot
[03:18] <xander21c> Hi :)
[03:18] <xander21c> Hello my name is Michael Garrido Saucedo (aka xander21c, I live in Lima - Peru Also part of Ubuntu Peru LoCO as event cordinator.
[03:18] <xander21c> Ubuntu user since Dapper, currently using Ubuntu at work and Xubuntu at home.
[03:18] <doctormo> leftyb's turn
[03:18] <leftyb> which one?
[03:18] <leftyb> I can wait if need be
[03:18] <nixternal> solid damnit!
[03:18] <xander21c> My contributions are mostly advocacy at our own events and other LUGs events
[03:18] <xander21c> also going around malls leaving brochoures about ubuntu next to ubuntu installed pc. Really active at Ubuntu Peru web site as co-administrator and mailing list moderator
[03:18] <nixternal> xander21c: one sec, it is leftyb's turn
[03:18] <xander21c> ok
[03:18] <nixternal> I made a typo there
[03:18] <xander21c> sorry :)
[03:18] <nixternal> you are next
[03:18] <nixternal> no problem :) sorry
[03:18] <viperhoot> hmmm :s
[03:19] <leftyb> :)
[03:19] <nixternal> to many Mike/Michaels in a row for me, I can only count to 1
[03:19] <nixternal> leftyb: your turn, sorry
[03:19] <leftyb> i'll try and be quick :)
[03:19] <doctormo> After this I can play Savage2!
[03:19] <leftyb> My name is Mike Rushton, also know as leftyfb. I reside in North Eastern Massachusetts and help run the MA LoCo team. I have been using an promoting linux and FOSS since the mid 90's. I have spent a lot of time and effort planning and making sure our installfests are fun and educational and go off without a hitch. I have made many contributions to our teams wiki, keeping the events and meetings in order as well as a few outsid
[03:19] <leftyb> e wiki pages here and there. I helped take orders and keep organized the ubuntu case badge project our team, let by Martin Owens(doctormo) initiated last year. I have also done up tshirts for our team and to be sold at the installfests.
[03:19] <RoAkSoAx> nixternal, according to the wiki it's xander21c's turn xD
[03:19] <nixternal> leftyb: umm, where is your wiki page?
[03:19] <nixternal> RoAkSoAx: ya, but I typoed the topic
[03:19] <HardDisk> I know leftyb (Mike Rushton) from his unofficial support channel #ubuntu on efnet.  Being from Egypt, I have to say he has allowed me the opportunity to be part of his unofficial team and wish him a great future but hopefully as an official ubuntu member this time.
[03:19] <leftyb> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/leftyfb
[03:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/leftyfb
[03:20] <nixternal> hah, I was at LeftyB
[03:20] <nixternal> sorry
[03:20] <leftyb> I keep ubuntu cd's on me at all times and take opportunities to explain ubuntu and how it can make people's computing lives easier and more enjoyable. Every Tuesday night I volunteer at the South End Technology Center teaching ubuntu to the general public along with other Ubuntu MA LoCo members. Most of my contributions revolve around spreading the word in my professional home consulting and through the teachings at the tech c
[03:20] <leftyb> enter. I'm very passionate about sharing ubuntu with the rest of the world and have many ideas and plans to promote it as much as possible.
[03:21] <leftyb> I don't actually have much else put into words ... i'm not the best with putting things down on paper as most others
[03:21] <jrib> I know leftyb from the MA loco.  He's one of the most active members.  Always keeps things together and is very helpful and friendly.
[03:21] <doctormo> I'd also like to say that leftyb helps me debug and test networking aspects of some of the projects I code.
[03:21] <nixternal> nice tattoo :)
[03:21] <leftyb> ;)
[03:21] <_MMA_> I'd *almost* give a +1 just for the tattoo. :P
[03:21] <nixternal> wow, good comments and supporters!
[03:22] <nixternal> you are the 2nd person I know with that tattoo
[03:22] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  indeed
[03:22] <doctormo> He's one of the most dedicated and passionate ubuntu supporters we have, who is fair and balanced as they come.
[03:22] <HardDisk> In addition to what I wrote, we've not just become good ubuntu colleagues, but friends, he's shown me some nice tips and tricks over the time I had known him.
[03:22] <leftyb> I help with projects here and there as much as I can even though i'm not a developer. Right now i'm helping with the carrier project (pidgin fork)
[03:22] <HardDisk> and I hope he comes visit me in Egypt one day :)
[03:22] <turk_Max> i have met leftyb a couple of times and found him to be a passionate ubuntu user, happy to discuss and help out
[03:23] <nixternal> so you are a LoCo freak I take it
[03:23] <yuriy> leftyb has been one of the most contributing members of the MA LoCo
[03:23] <nixternal> leftyb: if you get RMS on the team, definitely +1 :)
[03:23] <doctormo> Now I think he under plays his role at SETC, we go there, we teach but he also looks after all the refurbished computers, installing ubuntu and setting up peoples computers. they are then given to the poor through their scheme.
[03:23] <nixternal> oh man, you have yuriy on your side
[03:24] <_MMA_> leftyb: How long have you been part of the Mass LoCo? (sorry if I missed that)
[03:24] <leftyb> nixternal: verymuch so ... i'm actually interested in and have brought up bringing together our LoCo team, the NH team, local LUGs and other local FOSS groups to start a Boston open source conference ... it's a lot of work but I think we can pull it off :)
[03:24] <leftyb> _MMA_: since the release of Feisty .. so April of last year
[03:25] <_MMA_> k
[03:25] <leftyb> i've been using ubuntu since Dapper, Debian for 5 years and linux for 14
[03:25] <nixternal> [VOTE] Mike Rushton for Ubuntu Member
[03:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Mike Rushton for Ubuntu Member.
[03:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[03:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[03:25] <nixternal> +1
[03:25] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[03:25] <effie_jayx> +1
[03:25] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[03:25] <_MMA_> +1
[03:25] <MootBot> +1 received from _MMA_. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[03:25] <vorian> yeah, the tatt is major bonus points
[03:25] <Technoviking> +1
[03:25] <HardDisk> haha
[03:25] <MootBot> +1 received from Technoviking. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[03:25] <vorian> +1
[03:25] <MootBot> +1 received from vorian. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[03:25] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[03:25] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[03:25] <HardDisk> congrats man :)
[03:25] <nixternal> congrats and welcome leftyb!!!
[03:25] <leftyb> :)
[03:25] <jrib> congrats leftyb
[03:25] <maccam94> congratulations leftyb!
[03:25] <HardDisk> I knew you'd make it
[03:25] <Deviousdragen> congrats leftyfb
[03:25] <turk_Max> leftyb: congrats
[03:25] <maccam94> sorry i was too late to vouch for you
[03:26] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Michael Garrido for Ubuntu Member
[03:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Michael Garrido for Ubuntu Member
[03:26] <HardDisk> leftyb, you owe me a beer
[03:26] <nixternal> xander21c: now its your turn :) thanks for being patient with my booboo
[03:26] <xander21c> ok :) thats me
[03:26] <xander21c>       Hello my name is Michael Garrido Saucedo (aka xander21c, I live in Lima - Peru Also part of Ubuntu Peru LoCO as event cordinator.
[03:26] <xander21c> Ubuntu user since Dapper, currently using Ubuntu at work and Xubuntu at home.
[03:26] <_MMA_> vorian: A "Circle of friends" would show more dedication though. ;)
[03:26] <xander21c> My contributions are mostly advocacy at our own events and other LUGs events *http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/InstallPartyLima
[03:26] <xander21c> *http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/UbuntuPeruEnElFesoli *http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/4HorasDeSoftwareLibreLinurp
[03:26] <xander21c> *http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/PrimerFestivalDeSoftwareLibreUNACINUX *http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/UbuntuHardyReleasePartyLima also going around malls leaving brochoures about ubuntu next to ubuntu installed pc. Really active at Ubuntu Peru web site as co-administrator and mailing list moderator
[03:26] <nixternal> rockin'!
[03:27] <xander21c> Here is my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xander21c
[03:27] <nixternal> nice testimonials!
[03:27] <xander21c> and my LP https://edge.launchpad.net/~xander21c
[03:27] <viperhoot> i can certify xander21c's great work, specilly planning and participating in events representing to Ubuntu Perú , thanks to him we have organized local talks and Installfests in Lima.
[03:27] <nixternal> ooh, you even helped Ubuntu Docs :)
[03:27] <RoAkSoAx> I support xander21c for his great contributions to the LoCo Team.. Thanks to him is that we've had such many events... he is the guy who goes around the city making the preparations for the events
[03:27] <nixternal> viperhoot: rock on! you guys totally freakin' rock down there...I am so envious
[03:27] <vorian> wow, some impressive goals :)
[03:27] <nixternal> no doubt
[03:28] <xander21c> thanks,
[03:28] <nixternal> I just have one problem
[03:28] <nixternal> I didn't get an Ubuntu Peru t-shirt :)
[03:28] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:28] <xander21c> jaj :)
[03:28] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I can attest his work. the ubuntu peru community can definetelly rely on his work and dedication, he is a very all aorund guy doing good avocacy and trying to bridge the ubuntu spanish teams to follow and feel the ubuntu spirit
[03:28] <vorian> xander21c: how do you work with Retailers?
[03:28] <RoAkSoAx> nixternal, xander21c is your guy.. he is in charge of them :P
[03:28] <doctormo> nixternal: I got one :-P
[03:28] <xander21c> I made friend of some clearks
[03:28] <nixternal> man, seems you are in charge of *printing* in general...you have a connection down there?
[03:28] <viperhoot> nixternal: haha yes
[03:29] <RoAkSoAx> nixternal, leave him your address so that he can send you one :P
[03:29] <vorian> xander21c: so, what do they do?
[03:29] <xander21c> throught them i contact their boss , still on conversation
[03:29]  * Pretto wants a tshirt from Peru too..
[03:29] <vorian> xander21c: what is your plan with them? seeing as they are open?
[03:29] <xander21c> but sound interrested
[03:29] <vorian> good good
[03:29] <viperhoot> ubuntu-pe t-shirts for all! .D
[03:30] <xander21c> they also let me install a couple of pcs and Laptops
[03:30] <xander21c> of the exhibitors section
[03:30] <Pretto> _MMA_, do you have a second?
[03:30] <nixternal> very impressive xander21c
[03:30] <vorian> That's wonderful.  Not many retailers are open to such things
[03:31] <vorian> good work
[03:31] <xander21c> vorian: of course, that why i trying to put up the e-learning fase
[03:31] <nixternal> [VOTE] Michael Garrido for Ubuntu Member
[03:31] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Michael Garrido for Ubuntu Member.
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[03:31] <nixternal> +1
[03:31] <Technoviking> +1
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[03:32] <effie_jayx> +1
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[03:32] <nixternal> _MMA_?
[03:32] <xander21c> picture of a PC installed in Saga Fallabella mall http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c/InstallPartyLimaOrganizacion/photo#5125768455019892274
[03:32] <_MMA_> +1
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[03:32] <_MMA_> (sorry)
[03:32] <nixternal> congrats and welcome xander21c!!!
[03:32] <Pretto> xander21c, welcome :)
[03:32] <viperhoot> wuuhuuuu
[03:32] <vorian> Welcome xander21c!
[03:32] <nixternal> is Alan Munson around?
[03:32] <RoAkSoAx> congrats xander21c !!!!
[03:32] <Alan_M> yes i am
[03:33] <viperhoot> congrats xander21c
[03:33] <xander21c> Thanks a lot  :)
[03:33] <nixternal> k, one sec Alan_M
[03:33] <Alan_M> sure :)
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> aaaaahhhh.... /me drools over all the new slaves we are recruiting
[03:33] <Rocket2DMn> go Alan_M :)
[03:33] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Alan Munson for Ubuntu Member
[03:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alan Munson for Ubuntu Member
[03:33] <nixternal> Alan_M: introduce yourself please :)
[03:33] <Alan_M> Hello everyone my name is Alan Munson.
[03:34] <Alan_M> I am a resident of Denham Springs, Louisiana and have been using Linux for the last few years spradically.
[03:34]  * xander21c my brother i kicking of the PC
[03:34] <xander21c> bye
[03:34] <Alan_M> I am a member of the Ubuntu Forums beginner team, have been for about 1 year or so under bodhi_zazen's guidance.
[03:35] <Alan_M> My launchpad profile can be located at https://launchpad.net/~speeddemon8803 and my Wiki page can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Speeddemon8803.
[03:35] <nixternal> nice testimonials! I really like Old_Soldier's words!
[03:35] <jacob> Alan_M is an excellent candidate for membership. he's an excellent helper with bodhi.zazen on both irc and the forums.
[03:35] <nixternal> hehe, like how you got your nickname :)
[03:35] <bodhi_zazen> I support Alan_M 's membership
[03:35] <Alan_M> thanks :)
[03:35] <Old_Soldier> Alan is a solid member of out UCF team :)
[03:35] <Rocket2DMn> I didn't have a chance to write on Alan_M 's wiki.  I can vouch for his continued support in the UF community
[03:35] <bodhi_zazen> He has been an enormous asset to the team
[03:35] <nixternal> rock on!
[03:36] <Alan_M> I have helped users from all areas of the spectrum with aspects of Ubuntu, some major contributions, some just minor things.
[03:36] <nixternal> Alan_M: what do you think your future with Ubuntu and the community looks like? Any specific interests?
[03:36]  * pleia2 arrives
[03:36] <nixternal> \o/ pleia2 !!! :)
[03:36]  * nosrednaekim cheers for pleia2
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> !
[03:36] <Alan_M> Well, because I am a paraplegic, i really wish to get Ubuntu's accessability more noted, help out our physically impaired users :)
[03:37] <nixternal> rock on! that is something that needs some help definitely and any help you have to offer would be greatly appreciated!
[03:37] <Alan_M> I just love helping out, its what ive done for a long time, if im not here helping, im helping elsewhere spreading the love and joys of Linux.
[03:38] <Alan_M> Getting the misinformed a little more educated and stuff.
[03:38] <the-stace> Alan has helped tons of times and he's still helping when I need a hand or 2
[03:39] <Alan_M> I have helped with a script for Amarok called Sabre, it allows you to control your laptop/desktop's access with a bluetooth enabled device such as a cell phone.
[03:39] <vorian> Alan_M: what involement have you had with the LA LoCo team?
[03:39] <nixternal> haha, my buddy loves that script by the way, assuming it is the same script
[03:40] <Alan_M> vorian, well i attempted to be active in it, yet i had surgery and didnt get a chance to email anybody about that, so it was given to someone else (im really not too upset now about it though.)
[03:40] <Alan_M> nixternal, thats great! :D
[03:40] <effie_jayx> Alan_M, are you working in any accesibility projects upstream? gnome or kde accesibility teams?
[03:40] <vorian> Alan_M: what do you mean by "given" to someone else?
[03:41] <Technoviking> Alan_M: Looks like your still new to the beginneers team
[03:41] <Alan_M> well, vorian, i wasnt able to check my emails and stuff....inactivity made the team unstable, i wasnt around to adminstrate and do those kinds of duties.
[03:41] <Old_Soldier> Technoviking:   alan is a new user account he had it reset by the forum admins
[03:42] <_MMA_> Old_Soldier: That's odd. I didnt think that happened. Why the reset?
[03:42] <Technoviking> Old_Soldier: so he has more than 84 posts
[03:42] <Rocket2DMn> i think Alan_M was one of the early members of the beginners team
[03:42] <Alan_M> Technoviking, not much more, but just a little over this.
[03:43] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, if you are around, can you please comment?
[03:43] <vorian> Alan_M: so naturally, you have been working with the LA team then, considering your interest in the team?
[03:43] <effie_jayx> Alan_M, are you working in any accesibility projects upstream? gnome or kde accesibility teams?
[03:44] <Alan_M> effie_jayx, no
[03:44] <bodhi_zazen> Alan_M, has been with the beginner team for just under a year
[03:44]  * vorian talks to himself
[03:44] <Alan_M> vorian, the beginners-team has been taking up a lot of my time.
[03:44] <nixternal> nothing new with that :)
[03:44] <bodhi_zazen> Keep in mind he has a medical condition
[03:44] <vorian> alrighty then
[03:44] <Alan_M> im sorry vorian, i didnt mean to look like i was ignoring you sir.
[03:45] <vorian> Alan_M: no need to call me sir :)
[03:45] <Alan_M> vorian, ok :)
[03:45] <nixternal> yes sir!
[03:45] <vorian> >.>
[03:46] <Alan_M> I am constantly trying to contribute more and more, but due to my medical condition, it becomes hard sometimes as i am constantly in and out of the hospitals.
[03:46] <vorian> Alan_M: link to your current forum nick again please?  :)
[03:47] <nixternal> speeddemon8803
[03:47] <Alan_M> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=127564
[03:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=127564
[03:47] <vorian> ah, ok
[03:48] <vorian> Alan_M: I think you are well on your way to membership.
[03:48] <Technoviking> Alan_M: Alan you have a great start, and we understand your medical condition, but I feel you still need some more work under your belt
[03:48] <vorian> keep working with bodhi_zazen, and you'll get there in no time!  :)
[03:48] <Alan_M> Ok, :)
[03:48] <Alan_M> thanks for your time guys :)
[03:48] <Technoviking> Alan_M: I would be glad to help you in anyway on the forums
[03:48] <Alan_M> Technoviking, thanks! :)
[03:48] <nixternal> Alan_M: I am on the fence with this honestly as I really like everything you have done and would like to see a bit more...my recommendation is come back soon with a bit more contribs and I would be so happy to give you my +1
[03:48] <effie_jayx> Alan_M,  please do come back soon :D
[03:49] <nixternal> Alan_M: talk to TheMuso on IRC, he is in charge of accessibility in Ubuntu iirc
[03:49] <effie_jayx> Alan_M,  please do consider helping out gnome and kde make accessibility rock in the "FREE" world
[03:49] <Alan_M> Ok guys :)
[03:49] <_MMA_> Alan_M: If you would like to help with accessibility issues please talk to TheMuso. He has a vision impairment and works to improve ﻿accessibility.
[03:49] <nixternal> [VOTE] Request that Alan Munson returns soon for Ubuntu Membership
[03:49] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Request that Alan Munson returns soon for Ubuntu Membership.
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[03:49] <nixternal> +1
[03:49] <effie_jayx> Alan_M,  there is an open invitation to participation and YOU can make a difference
[03:49] <vorian> +1
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[03:49] <_MMA_> gah. Damn. I type slow.
[03:49] <Technoviking> +1
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[03:49] <_MMA_> +1
[03:49] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
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[03:49] <nixternal> doh
[03:49] <nixternal> haha, sorry _MMA_ :)
[03:49] <_MMA_> ;)
[03:50] <Pretto> Alan_M, keep the good work... i will wait to see you here again
[03:50] <Alan_M> Pretto, thanks :)
[03:50] <nixternal> Alan_M: definitely though, please do not let this get you down, I want you to come back in a month and do this again...I think you are very well on your way
[03:50] <Technoviking> Alan_M: I look forward to seeing you again soon.
[03:50] <nixternal> please get in touch with TheMuso if you are seriously interested in accessibility
[03:50] <_MMA_> Alan_M: I would also say work on the wiki page a bit.
[03:50] <nixternal> ditto
[03:51] <Alan_M> MMA,, nixternal thanks, i will.
[03:51] <nixternal> Alan_M: if you do a wheelchair in linux, let me know so I can get one for my cousin too! that would rock!
[03:51] <cody-somerville> nixternal, ditto means right back at you :P
[03:51] <nixternal> ditto means "the same" :)
[03:51] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Brandon Perry for Ubuntu Member
[03:51] <Alan_M> nixternal, yeah, im trying lol
[03:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Brandon Perry for Ubuntu Member
[03:51] <brandonperry> cool
[03:51] <nixternal> brandonperry: your turn :)
[03:51] <brandonperry> Alright, my name is Brandon Perry (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandonPerry), I am 19, and I have been the Dallas/Fort Worth LoCo Team Leader since mid-2007.
[03:51] <brandonperry> I am active on the Banshee, ClamAV, gbrainy, and Mono mailing lists and have written puzzles and translated for gbrainy. I also maintain a couple small projects, most notably the ClamAV LiveCD (based on Hardy, was Edgy).
[03:52] <brandonperry> Late last year, I started a project called OCAM, or One Computer A Month, where I donated at least one computer running Ubuntu to families who couldn't afford a new computer. It was powered purely by donations, which dried up after about 3 months, but during those months, I was able to donate 8 PC's. I still donate when I can.
[03:52] <brandonperry> I am the webmaster for http://www.texas-ubuntu.org, which is a site trying to bring together all other LoCo's in Texas, and has proved to be a bit more difficult than we imagined.
[03:52] <brandonperry> I am trying to introduce Edubuntu into the school systems around Dallas\Fort Worth and have donated a couple computers to teachers, whom love what it has to offer.
[03:52] <brandonperry> Like n0rman, my LP.net participation isn't high, but most of my time is spent on mailing lists, IRC, or IRL ;-).
[03:52] <brandonperry> Hopefully, next year, the D/FW Team will have a small booth at QuakeCon, giving out Ubuntu CD's and swag to computer geeks from around the world. I also hope that as we grow, or outreach to schools will grow as well.
[03:52] <brandonperry> that's it :-)
[03:52] <nixternal> brandonperry: will you do me a favor at QuakeCon?
[03:52] <brandonperry> maybe ? ;-)
[03:53] <mneptok> whoa! Brendan Perry! I LOVE DEAD CAN DANCE!
[03:53] <nixternal> smakc Kyle Bennet for me and tell him he still owes me big time!
[03:53] <brandonperry> haha, ok
[03:53] <nixternal> hey, with clamav, have you worked with Scott Kitterman (ScottK) at all?
[03:53] <brandonperry> no, I haven't
[03:54] <pleia2> how about sgran over in Debian?
[03:54] <brandonperry> a little with sgran
[03:54]  * pleia2 nods
[03:54] <brandonperry> ScottK isn't in IRC much
[03:54] <_MMA_> brandonperry: He sure is. ;)
[03:54] <nixternal> brandonperry: scottk lives on irc, I work with him for about 12 hours a day :)
[03:54] <effie_jayx> brandonperry,  he is a regular in #ubuntu-motu
[03:55] <_MMA_> And #ubuntu-devel
[03:55] <brandonperry> I haven't seen in him in #clamav
[03:55] <nixternal> and #kubuntu-devel :)
[03:55] <brandonperry> I don't frequent those channels :-)
[03:55] <nixternal> I believe scott maintains clamav in both Ubuntu and Debian
[03:55] <nixternal> anyone here to support brandonperry's application this evening?
[03:56] <ScottK> nixternal: I maintain it in Ubuntu and help out the Debian maintainer
[03:56] <brandonperry> haha, hello ScottK
[03:56] <nxvl> @schedule Lima
[03:56] <ScottK> hello brandonperry
[03:56] <pleia2> nixternal: sgran maintains debian
[03:56] <ScottK> He's looking for more help though.
[03:56] <nixternal> brandonperry: what exactly do you do for Ubuntu at this point in time?
[03:57] <brandonperry> Right now, I am the Ubuntu DFW team leader (not ubuntu software specfic)
[03:57] <nixternal> ahh, you are the leader
[03:57] <nixternal> that's right, I remember you now
[03:58] <nixternal> what is the current status of the LoCo team? been active much?
[03:58] <brandonperry> we have a meeting once a month
[03:58] <ScottK> brandonperry: Are you interested at all in helping out with clamav maintenance in Ubuntu or Debian?
[03:58] <vorian> brandonperry: how's the uniting of Texas going?
[03:58] <brandonperry> me, my brother, and another guy are passing out CD's at all the high schools since it is the last week
[03:58] <pleia2> cool
[03:58] <brandonperry> ScottK: I would love too, I didn't know it was a problem
[03:59] <nixternal> ahh, here we go, the Ubuntu Texas website...that's where you update everything :)
[03:59] <ScottK> brandonperry: There's a lot to do.
[03:59] <brandonperry> vorian: right now, the dallas and the houston teams are the really active ones
[03:59] <brandonperry> el paso is getting there
[03:59] <brandonperry> but with the size of texas, it is really difficult to cooridinate things
[03:59] <brandonperry> ScottK: definitely, should I talk to sgran?
[04:00] <vorian> yeah, very difficult it would seem
[04:00] <brandonperry> or you, even ?
[04:00] <nixternal> brandonperry: from the Texas website I see from you, "We try to get people to join the site, post on the blogs, etc... It is just difficult to get people to stay. :-/" - what do you find the most difficult with keeping people around?
[04:00] <ScottK> brandonperry: See https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav and ping me on IRC if you can help.  New clamav release on Monday will no doubt bring us another wave of security patches to deal with.
[04:00] <nixternal> I founded the Ubuntu Chicago team, and our original 25 members are still super active, with about 100 coming and going due to being students
[04:01] <brandonperry> nixternal: people join the site from all over texas, but there aren't that many locos, so that just kind of join, then they have nothing to post about, no meetings or installfests to join in on
[04:01] <nixternal> ahh, ya I totally know what you are talking about
[04:01] <brandonperry> ScottK: will do ;-)
[04:03] <pleia2> brandonperry: you say education is an interest but you don't have time right now - do you anticipate having time in the future? perhaps working with the edubuntu team directly until you can get to a point were working with schools is feasible?
[04:03] <brandonperry> pleia2: now that it is summer, I can start talking to IT from the schools about maybe giving lectures or installing Ubuntu on some computers in the labs
[04:03] <brandonperry> during the school year, you are on the school's time, which doesn't work
[04:04] <brandonperry> but during the summer, the IT guys are pretty much free since they are setting things up for next year
[04:04]  * pleia2 nods
[04:05] <brandonperry> nixternal: Zelut and encryptz can vouch for me
[04:05] <brandonperry> they just couldn't make it tonight
[04:05] <ScottK> nixternal: BTW, it's Klamav that I maintain in both Ubuntu and Debian.
[04:06] <brandonperry> pleia2: in working with the edubuntu team, I have definitely thought about it
[04:06] <nixternal> clam, klam, its all the same to me these days :)
[04:06] <effie_jayx> nixternal, shhhh qt boy :D
[04:06] <nixternal> muhahaha
[04:06] <brandonperry> it is just finding the time with all the other stuff, again, now that it is summer, I might be able to join in on some projects
[04:06] <nixternal> [VOTE] Brandon Perry for Ubuntu Member
[04:06] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Brandon Perry for Ubuntu Member.
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[04:06] <nixternal> +1
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[04:07] <pleia2> +1
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[04:07] <vorian> +1
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[04:07] <effie_jayx> +1
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[04:07] <Technoviking> +0
[04:07] <MootBot> Abstention received from Technoviking. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
[04:08] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[04:08] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 4
[04:08] <nixternal> congrats and welcome brandonperry!
[04:08] <Pretto> brandonperry, welcome  :)
[04:08] <pleia2> welcome brandonperry!
[04:08] <brandonperry> thanks :-)
[04:08] <nixternal> hey, I know it is hard to get the LoCo stuff rockin' espeically in your case, but don't give up man
[04:08] <Andre_Gondim> brandonperry, congrats ;)
[04:08] <vorian> congrats brandonperry :)
[04:08] <brandonperry> nah, it can only get more fun nixternal
[04:08] <nixternal> rock on, love that tude!
[04:09] <brandonperry> thanks a lot everyone
[04:09] <nixternal> [TOPIC] Martin Kossick for Ubuntu Member
[04:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Martin Kossick for Ubuntu Member
[04:09] <nixternal> hacktick: your turn :)
[04:09] <effie_jayx> brandonperry,  get hacking :D
[04:09] <hacktick> hey, I'll make this short :) My Name is Martin Kossick, I'm german and 20 years old
[04:10] <_MMA_> brandonperry: Please work with ScottK on some ClamAv love. :)
[04:10] <hacktick> my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mkossick my launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~hacktick
[04:10] <hacktick> "my" comunity was in Berlin, I organized lots of meetings and events there.
[04:10] <Technoviking> hacktick: you live in Germany?
[04:10] <hacktick> since august I'm in brazil, where it's harder for me to organize meetings (I prefer reallife for talking with other ubuntu users) I'm looking forwards to get back to Berlin, although I like brazilian beaches ;)
[04:10] <nixternal> oh man, Daniel Holbach testified :)
[04:10] <nixternal> great testimonials
[04:11] <nixternal> oh man, Ubuntu Deutschland
[04:11] <nixternal> is there anything you all haven't done or don't do?
[04:11] <hacktick> he was the first other ubuntu user I got to know in real life
[04:11] <nixternal> and you are on the e.V., that says a lot
[04:11] <vorian> nifty wiki page
[04:11] <hacktick> no it doesnt
[04:11] <nixternal> hehe
[04:11] <hacktick> you have to pay 12 e, thats all :)
[04:11] <nixternal> how much did you pay then to join it :)
[04:11] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:11] <hacktick> €
[04:11] <_MMA_> hacktick: How long have you been a moderator on the mailing list?
[04:12] <hacktick> hm
[04:12] <hacktick> i think sinc we moved from google groups. that was last summer
[04:12] <nixternal> hacktick: considering you know dholbach personally and he recommends you for membership, I would have expected major 5-a-day abuse from ya :)
[04:13] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  you have a quite balanced initial groundings... what do you hope to focus more in the future?
[04:13] <hacktick> sorry :)
[04:13] <hacktick> 5-a-day started after I left Berlin :)
[04:13] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  you have initial worki in bug nad translations
[04:13] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  no need to be in berlin to have dholbach on your case boy ;)
[04:13] <nixternal> ahh, you aren't in Berlin anymore...k, I was wondering the drastic change between ubuntu-de and ubuntu-brazil :)
[04:14] <hacktick> effie_jayx: i think will concetrate more on the official german LoCo
[04:14] <effie_jayx> hacktick, right. are you planing to go back to germany soon?
[04:14] <hacktick> effie_jayx: I just did these translation in free time, never have been in a team
[04:15] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  cool
[04:15] <hacktick> effie_jayx: august 9th
[04:15] <hacktick> but at the moment I think I have to fix some things here in brazil
[04:15] <Pretto> effie_jayx, he is just enjoying the beache's hot water
[04:15] <hacktick> lots of servers are offline dowwn here
[04:15] <Pretto> :)
[04:15] <pleia2> hacktick: you mention programming and development in the last of your future goals - any specific areas in mind? or timeframe?
[04:16] <hacktick> I dont have specifiics in mind, sorry
[04:16] <hacktick> I hope I find something :)
[04:18] <hacktick> I like gnome, maybe i could start with some bugfixing, i have no idea :)
[04:18] <hacktick> first things first...
[04:19] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  good
[04:19] <pleia2> the bug team always needs help
[04:19] <nixternal> hacktick: What do you really want to contribute to in Ubuntu in the near future?
[04:19] <effie_jayx> I see some great initial work
[04:19] <effie_jayx> nice bug work, you got some translations going
[04:19] <effie_jayx> excellent advocacy in LoCo work
[04:19] <hacktick> nixternal: I want definetly get back to Berlin and continue my work there
[04:19] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  I am not sure how much the board of the americas can help
[04:20] <effie_jayx> since most of your work has been for the belrin team
[04:20] <hacktick> sure
[04:20] <effie_jayx> and it is where your heart it is at
[04:20] <effie_jayx> Berlin
[04:20] <hacktick> but I have testimonial that prove that work effie_jayx
[04:20] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  I have seen it
[04:20] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  but since you are not staying in the Americas side
[04:20] <hacktick> ?
[04:21] <hacktick> I am stayingg in São Paulo
[04:21] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  you are headed back home soon aren't you?
[04:21] <hacktick> -g
[04:21] <effie_jayx> 2 months?
[04:21] <hacktick> yes.
[04:21] <nixternal> [VOTE] Martin Kossick for Ubuntu Member
[04:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Martin Kossick for Ubuntu Member.
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[04:21] <nixternal> +1
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[04:21] <Technoviking> +1
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[04:21] <pleia2> +1
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[04:22] <vorian> +1
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[04:22] <effie_jayx> hacktick,  I was going to suggest you try for the meeting in for the European board
[04:23] <effie_jayx> but the board seems to think your work in Europe is cool
[04:23] <hacktick> effie_jayx: I missed the last european meeting
[04:23] <_MMA_> +0
[04:23] <MootBot> Abstention received from _MMA_. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[04:23] <effie_jayx> and we like European work :D
[04:23]  * effie_jayx will remember getting a beer out of Seveas for approving a member for the European Board
[04:23] <effie_jayx> +1
[04:23] <MootBot> +1 received from effie_jayx. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[04:23] <nixternal> [ENDVOTE]
[04:23] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[04:23] <pleia2> congrats hacktick!
[04:23] <hacktick> thanks
[04:24] <nixternal> congrats and welcome hacktick!!!
[04:24] <vorian> Thanks Everyone!
[04:24] <Pretto> hey hacktick welcome :)
[04:24] <hacktick> long night :)
[04:24] <nixternal> we cleared the candidates right?
[04:24] <hacktick> obrigado Pretto
[04:24] <Pretto> nixternal, yes
[04:24] <vorian> YES!
[04:24] <nixternal> [ENDMEETING]
[04:24] <vorian> \O/
[04:24] <nixternal> #endmeeting
[04:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 22:26.
[04:24] <pleia2> :)
[04:24] <nixternal> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:24] <Pretto> nixternal, i have just only one question if you dont mind
[04:24] <dinda> great job folks!
[04:24] <vorian> Congrats to all the New Members!
[04:24] <nixternal> congrats everyone! and for those of you who didn't get it tonight, please come back soon!!!
[04:24] <vorian> NOW GET TO WORK!
[04:24] <nixternal> Pretto: what's up?
[04:24] <Technoviking> later all
[04:25] <nixternal> hahaha, GET TO WORK NOW!!!
[04:25] <nixternal> g'nite Technoviking, thanks!
[04:25] <ajmitch> nixternal: yessir!
[04:25] <vorian> nn Technoviking :)
[04:25] <Pretto> i still dont know how to proceed to get email alias working
[04:25] <vorian> Pretto: it will be a few days
[04:25] <nixternal> Pretto: that will all kick in automatically within the next few days
[04:25] <Pretto> nixternal, good, :)
@ubuntu.com will be forwarded to your email account you login to LP with
[04:25] <Pretto> thank you guys
[04:26] <nixternal> so in say a couple of days, test it out by sending an email to yourself and see if you get it
[04:26] <nixternal> no prob Pretto! congrats and keep up the awesome work!
[04:26] <Pretto> thank you nixternal i will not be a ghost member
[04:26] <effie_jayx> thank you all
[04:27] <jcastro> congrats everyone!
[04:27] <jcastro> new members, a stanley cup ... an awesome night!
[04:27] <ajmitch> jcastro: dude!
[04:27] <jcastro> ajmitch: dude!
[04:28] <nxvl> are the log uploaded somewhere
[04:28] <Seeker`> nxvl: Eventually
[04:28] <Seeker`> nxvl: Hopefully in the next day or so, the person hosting the bot is having problems with their webhost atm
[04:29] <nxvl> cause i wanted to read the log from last meeting
[04:29] <nxvl> (and these one too)
[04:30] <Seeker`> which is the "last meeting"?
[04:31] <Seeker`> nxvl: There are logs for the meetings elsewhere
[04:31] <Seeker`> !logs
[04:31] <Seeker`> I think they are updated at 1 minute past the hour
[04:32] <persia> Rather, they are updated somewhere between 5 minutes before and 12 minutes after (that I've seen) depending on the vagaries of cron, server load, etc.
[04:34] <hacktick> good night
[04:57]  * nxvl HUGS Seeker` 
[04:57] <nxvl> thnx for the info
[04:57] <nxvl> :D
[06:46] <ccm> lastlog MMA
[06:51] <Zic> @schedule
[06:51] <Zic> @schedule Paris
[06:59] <Alan_M> Zic, ubottu's based on UTC right? (I mean its times its listing.)
[07:10] <Zic> Yes, but I have some troubles to remember the number of your to add to have the french clock :)
[07:10] <Zic> (+0200, +2h so)
[07:11] <Zic> troubles because of the GMT based clock
[07:11] <Alan_M> zic, yeah utc used to get me as well :D
[07:12] <Zic> s/your/hours/ sorry
[07:14] <Alan_M> yeah
[08:19] <Seveas> Alan_M, you can ask for a localized schedule
[08:20] <Seveas> '@scedule paris' gives paris times :)
[08:20] <Alan_M> yeah, i figured :)
[08:21] <Alan_M> well, now that my day has gone totally insane, i might go to bed.
[08:22]  * Alan_M will be back in here im sure for the next Membership approval board meeting for Americas.
[08:22] <Alan_M> nice talking to you again Seveas
[08:23] <Alan_M> if not talking, seeing :)
[08:23] <Seveas> :)
[08:43] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[13:18] <sbc> What is the procedure for reserving this channel for a meeting? More specifically the Marketing Team would like to use this channel on June 7 21.00 UTC
[13:21] <persia> sbc: The bot sets the topic based on the events listed on the fridge
[13:22] <bimberi> @schedule utc
[13:22] <bimberi> sbc: Looks like it's been done :)
[13:23] <sbc> bimberi: Nice :)
[13:23] <sbc> thank you both.
[13:23] <persia> sbc just be sure to always get it on the fridge.  Sometimes people forget, and there is a conflict.
[13:23] <sbc> persia: This should be enough, right: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1503 ?
[13:24] <persia> sbc: That's exactly what you need.  Many teams have rotating meetings, at different times of day so everyone on the planet can meet.  To make this work, someone on the team needs to be sure to keep the fridge updated with the time for the next meetings.
[13:25] <persia> As some meetings are weekly, some fortnightly, and some monthly, there can be conflicts if people aren't careful.
[13:26] <sbc> ok - got that. Thanks again.
[13:28] <emgent> @schedule rome
[13:53] <kwwii> moin
[13:53] <\sh> moins kwwii :)
[13:54] <mvo> hi
[13:57] <pitti> hi
[13:57] <seb128> hey pitti
[13:59] <MacSlow> hi there folks
[13:59] <Keybuk> good afternoon
[14:00] <MacSlow> Keybuk, I hope it was the right spot on the wiki to put agenda items (GTK+-issue) to discuss (first time I ever did that)
[14:02] <Keybuk> as good as any other ;)
[14:02] <Keybuk> MacSlow: I also look for them in activity summaries
[14:02] <Keybuk> ok, I think we have everyone :p
[14:03] <ted2> I think we shouldn't let the platform team beat us, so we should spend the entire meeting discussing luggage ;)
[14:03] <MacSlow> ted2, oh :)
[14:04] <Keybuk> ted2: heh, well, when teacher's away - the boys play
[14:04] <ogra> :P
[14:04] <seb128> MacSlow: listing agenda items in your activity mail is usually better so people can reply or comment on the list too
[14:04]  * pitti confesses that he didn't manage to write up all specs, one is still left (guest account)
[14:04] <pitti> hardy kept me way too busy :/
[14:05]  * seb128 didn't write specs yet
[14:05] <pitti> well, today is the deadline
[14:05] <MacSlow> seb128, ah ok.. well I'll stick to that in the future
[14:05]  * MacSlow still has much spec write-up pending
[14:05] <seb128> pitti: ETOOMUCH, maintaining a stable and a unstable GNOME is just too much apparently :--
[14:05] <MacSlow> too
[14:05] <seb128> :-(
[14:05] <pitti> we clearly need seb256!
[14:05] <Keybuk> pitti: is it?
[14:06]  * MacSlow blames gtk+-widgets
[14:06] <pitti> Keybuk: that's what Steve's shiny release calendar says, anyway
[14:06] <Keybuk> ah, I hadn't even started reviewing them yet ;)  with mdz and Colin both away, I suspect it's a dead deadline
[14:06] <pitti> coincides with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[14:06] <Keybuk> I was planning on suggesting specs should be reviewed next week
[14:07] <pitti> ok, *phew*; I'm relieved :)
[14:07] <seb128> GOOD ;-)
[14:07] <seb128> ups
[14:07] <seb128> good ;-)
[14:07] <pitti> so we have time until Tuesday or so to write them?
[14:07] <Keybuk> though I was going to quickly run down everyone's list today to make sure everyone knows which ones they're doing
[14:07] <pitti> right, that would be good
[14:07] <Keybuk> pitti: time until Thursday :)
[14:07] <MacSlow> *phew²*
[14:07] <seb128> good idea indeed
[14:08] <mvo> ++
[14:08] <Keybuk> ok, I didn't see any agenda items other than Mirco's, so let's cover his first
[14:08] <MacSlow> Ok
[14:08] <Keybuk> MacSlow: freeze of GTK+ 2.14 at end of june, GtkStatusIcon and RGBA-issues need to be addressed, otherwise new RGBA-theme for intrepid might not make it
[14:09] <MacSlow> so the issue is that for intrepid we would like to have a new GTK+-theme hopefully using RGBA-colormaps by default (e.g. murrine)... well as far as I know... but kwwii could probably give a more precise view on that
[14:09] <kwwii> yes, that is exactly what we planned
[14:10] <MacSlow> but before a GTK+-theme like that can be put in there are crashes with GtkStatusIcon to be fixed.
[14:10] <kwwii> the main problem seems to be with the status icon/system-tray
[14:10] <seb128> what is the issue there?
[14:10] <kwwii> I do not understand the technical issues with that, I just know that there are some :-)
[14:11] <MacSlow> seb128, BadMatch errors for system-tray because of the spec for embedding widget/windows in the panel
[14:11] <seb128> well, that seems to simply be code bugs no?
[14:11] <seb128> you have a whole cycle to write patches and get those accepted upstream ;-)
[14:11] <seb128> or is there a particular issue?
[14:11] <MacSlow> Ryan "desrt" Lortie wrote up an updated spec-proposal for exactely this issue to the xdg-list
[14:12] <seb128> that's a design issue then?
[14:12] <MacSlow> but there's no one implementing that patch right now
[14:12] <seb128> if you are looking for somebody to do the work I've way too much to do already
[14:12] <seb128> not sure what the question is actually
[14:13] <MacSlow> and gtk+-upstream is mainly ok with Ryan's proposal and just waiting for a patch against gtk+-upstream
[14:14] <MacSlow> since Ryan has not time (and gtk+-upstream is busy elsewhere) that leaves only one person "stupid" enough to volunteer for this
[14:14]  * MacSlow <-
[14:14] <seb128> ok, good, problem solved then? ;-)
[14:14] <seb128> or you wanted the team opinion on something there?
[14:15] <MacSlow> but this is not on my list of high-prio tasks and I'm not very experienced with that intrinsic gtk+-hacking... so I feel it'll be very difficult for me to do this.
[14:15] <kwwii> I brought it up because we need to decide whether we can do this or not for 8.10
[14:16] <MacSlow> I still have much to do for the face-browser considereing the wanted changes from UDS-Prague.
[14:16] <seb128> Keybuk: hey boss, we need to hire desrt ;-)
[14:16] <Keybuk> sounds to me like if we want to do an RGBA theme, we need this patch
[14:16] <MacSlow> on the other hand I know we want that new theme and Cimi can't do it either afaik
[14:16] <Keybuk> seb128: he's not hireable until September AIUI?
[14:17] <MacSlow> seb128, oh yes... Keybuk Ryan would be a wickedly cool hire!
[14:17] <kwwii> Keybuk: right, he is finishing his studies
[14:17] <Keybuk> which would be too late for intrepid anyway
[14:17] <Nafallo> sounds like prioritys needs to be set :-)
[14:17] <kwwii> right
[14:17]  * Nafallo lurks :-P
[14:17] <Keybuk> MacSlow: it sounds like you're the best person to own the patch
[14:17] <Keybuk> either you can do it
[14:17] <seb128> Keybuk: I think he said he could hurry if he had some motivation to do so, but probably yes
[14:17] <Keybuk> or you know who can - and can suggest them to me for a short term contract
[14:17] <Keybuk> :p
[14:17] <MacSlow> Keybuk, it's you're call... I'm sorry I cannot give any estimates how long that gtk+-stuff is going to take me.
[14:18] <kwwii> MacSlow: do you know anyone else who could work on this?
[14:18] <MacSlow> Keybuk, I only know Ryan as a perfect match... otherwise people like Owen Tayler (RedHat) :) or one of the folks from Imendio
[14:19] <Keybuk> MacSlow: could you talk to Ryan?
[14:19] <seb128> I doubt owen is looking for something to do ;-)
[14:19] <MacSlow> Keybuk, I can try to ask around my contacts at Imendio to see if they have some short-term hireable man-power left over, ok?
[14:19] <Keybuk> sure
[14:19] <Keybuk> you can have an ACTION for that then :p
[14:19] <MacSlow> Keybuk, but can talk to Ryan again.
[14:20] <MacSlow> Keybuk, sure go ahead
[14:20] <Keybuk> in terms of priorities, did anyone talk to Mark about the RGBA theme? :p
[14:20] <MacSlow> Keybuk, not yet :/
[14:20] <kwwii> Keybuk: no, I was planning on showing him two screenshots
[14:20] <MacSlow> Keybuk, I can do that too
[14:20] <MacSlow> Keybuk, after all I'm the "bling guy"
[14:20] <kwwii> that should make the decision easier
[14:21] <Keybuk> indeed
[14:21] <Keybuk> ok
[14:21] <Keybuk> let's move on them
[14:21] <Keybuk> Specs!
[14:21] <kwwii> MacSlow: if you need help with any pics for that let me know
[14:21] <Keybuk> I'm going to run down the list of discussions at UDS, person-by-person
[14:21] <MacSlow> kwwii, Keybuk: I'll CC you tow for those emails so you know what's going on, alright?
[14:22] <Keybuk> this is the list of people I think are going to write up the discussion in one or more specs
[14:22] <Keybuk> (split up as you feel necessary)
[14:22] <Keybuk> if you didn't think you were going to write it up, or someone else thinks they are, please shout
[14:22] <Keybuk> and if you've already got a spec drafted (or at least a spec registered), let me know what the name is
[14:22] <Keybuk> by next week, I'd like to have them proposed for the intrepid release, and in the Review state (assumedly with me as the approver)
[14:24] <Keybuk> pitti:
[14:24] <Keybuk> 	PolicyKit and ConsoleKit (plan/roadmap?)
[14:24] <Keybuk>  System-wide Preferences
[14:24] <pitti> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/intrepid-device-permissions -> PK/CK
[14:24] <pitti> Keybuk: I don't have notes for the system prefs
[14:24] <pitti> (dev-perms is in review0
[14:25] <Keybuk> ok, did anyone get notes for that one? (mpt I guess?)
[14:26] <MacSlow> don't have those
[14:26] <Keybuk> pitti: also for you I have
[14:26] <pitti> hm, I'm pretty sure that we appointed a note taker for all the sessions
[14:26] <Keybuk> 	gdm-guest-login
[14:26] <Keybuk> 	intrepid-device-permissions
[14:26] <Keybuk> 	consolidate-spell-checkers (assigned to: seb128)
[14:26] <Keybuk> 	kernel-abi-package-handling (assigned to: ?, no approver)
[14:26] <pitti> Keybuk: the latter three are in review, gdm-guest-login needs to be written (ENOTIME)
[14:27] <Keybuk> ok great
[14:27] <pitti> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/printerdriverautodownload will be 50% mine as well, since it need sjockey support
[14:27]  * pitti kicks the space one step to the right
[14:27] <Keybuk> pitti: I don't suppose it's possible to extract the "jockey support" bit of that spec out into a separate spec?
[14:27] <pitti> Keybuk: oh, it is possible; can do
[14:28] <Keybuk> makes it easier to track
[14:28] <pitti> I'll name it jockey-printerdriver-support
[14:28] <pitti> added to TODO list
[14:29] <Keybuk> thanks
[14:29] <Keybuk> mvo: were you going to write up the notes for the PackageKit sessions?
[14:29] <mvo> Keybuk: yes, I can do that, also glatzor and james_w have started that already
[14:29] <Keybuk> ok, great
[14:30] <mvo> but I will ensure it gets done by next week
[14:30] <Keybuk> MacSlow: for you I have
[14:30] <Keybuk> 	Spit and Polish
[14:30] <Keybuk> 	Client Drawn Decorations
[14:30] <MacSlow> correct
[14:30] <MacSlow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/ClientDrawnDecorations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/SpitAndPolish
[14:30] <pitti> Keybuk: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/jockey-printer-driver-support
[14:30] <Keybuk> MacSlow: are they registered in Launchpad?
[14:31] <mvo> MacSlow: what is client-drawn-decorations? the window manager thing?
[14:31] <MacSlow> Keybuk, ClientDrawnDecorations is a more general thing _not_ intended to land for Intrepid... very much upstream stuff, but the whole issue needs exposure therefore a spec on its own
[14:31] <MacSlow> mvo, yes
[14:32] <MacSlow> Keybuk, yes... by next week they'll be ready... since UDS I was busy trying to beat GtkEntry, GtkComboBoxEntry and GtkSpinButton to play nice with RGBA-murrine... that's where the lag in spec-writing came in
[14:33] <Keybuk> tsk, implementation before specification
[14:33] <MacSlow> Keybuk, SpitAndPolish is to some extend touching the RGBA-theme for Intrepid
[14:33] <Keybuk> you're fitting right in already <g>
[14:33] <MacSlow> Keybuk, not really... it was needed to better understand the involved issues in order to provide better information for the spec
[14:33] <Keybuk> I'm only teasing ;)
[14:33] <Keybuk> seb128:
[14:33] <MacSlow> ah ok :)
[14:33] <Keybuk>     UI Cleanup
[14:33] <Keybuk>     Login Performance
[14:34] <MacSlow> Keybuk, seb128: I've to gobby-notes for ui-cleanup btw
[14:34] <seb128> I've note for those that's alright but thanks
[14:35] <seb128> Keybuk: should the audio and photo reviews be drafted too?
[14:35] <seb128> Keybuk: or should I open bugs for everything we listed upstream and in launchpad and tag those or something?
[14:36] <pitti> ^ more sensible IMHO, and then maybe just tag them with photo-usability?
[14:36] <MacSlow> Keybuk, seb128: for "photo experience" and "single sign-on" I've the notes too... just in case.
[14:36] <seb128> pitti: that was my idea yes
[14:37] <seb128> MacSlow: the photo notes should be on gobby but I'll ping you if they vanished
[14:37] <Keybuk> seb128: I think they should be drafted in the form of a list of notes, necessary changes and bugs
[14:37] <Keybuk> with not necessarily any assignee
[14:38] <seb128> alright
[14:38] <Keybuk> if the bugs are filed, and that can be linked to with a launchpad URL, so much the better :p
[14:38] <Keybuk> ie:
[14:38] <Keybuk>   [Launchpad URL Bugs]
[14:38] <Keybuk>   * other changes that didn't get registered as bugs
[14:38] <Keybuk> if everything can be a bug, I'm fine with that and no spec :
[14:38] <seb128> well, if we don't need a list using tags I'll directly open those upstream rather
[14:39] <Keybuk> that'd work too :)
[14:39] <seb128> ok, good
[14:39] <Keybuk> ted2:
[14:39] <Keybuk> lots of Single Sign On for you
[14:39] <Keybuk> and you're going to draft the Suspend/Resume session as well?
[14:39] <ted2> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-account-profiles
[14:40] <ted2> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/power-management-settings
[14:40] <Keybuk> ted2: just the one spec for SSO, or are you could to split that up?
[14:40] <ted2> I was going to do one, it seemed like everything was pretty interrelated.
[14:41] <ted2> I guess we could split up things like the backend and the UIs.
[14:41] <Keybuk> ted2: ok, my only real concern there is that it might end up quite a big spec, and it makes it harder to hand pieces to other people
[14:41] <ted2> Or perhaps the application modifications into another spec.
[14:41] <Keybuk> I think it'd be better as a handful of very closely related spec
[14:41] <ted2> Okay, I'll break it up.
[14:42] <ted2> Right now I'm thinking, backend, management, launchpad and apps.
[14:42] <ted2> Seem reasonable?
[14:42] <Keybuk> ok, the top-level one can then link to them all and explain the overview
[14:43] <ted2> How do I link them?
[14:43] <pitti> ted2: you can make them dependencies of each other
[14:43] <pitti> well, not circular, of course
[14:43] <ted2> Ah, okay, there we go.
[14:43] <ted2> pitti: Thanks.
[14:44] <Keybuk> kwwii: no specs for you! :p
[14:44] <ted2> This will help my Launchpad Karma ;)
[14:44] <pitti> we want new and fresh pr0n for the background!
[14:44] <Nafallo> hrm. another warty? ;-)
[14:45] <Keybuk> Riddell:
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu Release Schedule
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu Version
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu File Sharing
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu KDE4 Porting
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu Configuration Tools
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu Website
[14:45] <Keybuk> 	Kubuntu Defaults
[14:45] <Keybuk> did I miss any?
[14:45] <pitti> argh MIR argh /me hides
[14:45] <Riddell> Council
[14:45] <Riddell> but that's informational and we implemented it last night
[14:46] <Riddell> pitti: pretty please
[14:46] <pitti> Riddell: sorry for dragging this, last week was just too stuffed
[14:47] <Riddell> can't we make one of our security people as a main inclusion reviewer?
[14:47] <Keybuk> they're both core-dev now
[14:48] <Keybuk> ok
[14:48] <Keybuk> so which sessions or specs did I miss?
[14:48] <pitti> if they want to, that'd be great; I'll also talk to doko about joining forces for MIR processing for KDE4
[14:50] <Keybuk> any other business for today?
[14:50] <seele> oh, me!
[14:50] <seele> if given a choice, what would you rather have feedback on.. music experience or photo experience?
[14:51] <Keybuk> seele: both? :p
[14:51] <seele> i'm trying to organize usability testing through my loco
[14:51] <ted2> I'm a little concerned that mpt isn't going to have time for the UI stuff we've planned for Intrepid.
[14:51] <seele> Keybuk: both are too many.. we would need 16-20 people to test :)
[14:51] <Keybuk> seele: I think that Photos is probably the best, we know Music pretty well
[14:51] <ted2> What's the requirements there, do we need him to sign off on stuff?
[14:51] <Riddell> hmm, I can't change the priority of my own specs
[14:51] <seele> Keybuk: ok thanks.  just what i needed to know
[14:51] <Keybuk> ted2: no requirements yet, he doesn't join the team until after 2.0 so we can't include him in the critical path :p
[14:51] <seele> if this goes well, we can always do music at a later date
[14:52] <Keybuk> Music is solved by using Banshee ;)
[14:52]  * Keybuk likes to say that, just on the off-chance Seb is drinking
[14:52] <mvo> ++
[14:52] <ted2> Keybuk: Okay, I'll design ugly enough UIs that he'll want to leave early ;)
[14:53] <seb128> (no comment)
[14:54] <seb128> but I agree that doing photo is probably better
[14:54] <kwwii> lol, some banshee guy filed a bug against the theme because their custom widget doesn't work right
[14:54] <seele> is there a particular work flow you are concerned with (besides "everything"?)
[14:54] <Keybuk> kwwii: file the bug back telling them to use the theme engine properly
[14:55] <ted2> kwwii: Yeah, he's got a blog post about it.  It does make some sense his complaint.
[14:55] <Keybuk> seele: what you think would be the normal user's flow
[14:55] <ted2> kwwii: But, it does seem like they're avoiding doing anything normal and then complaining about it.
[14:55] <seele> hah.. so everything
[14:55] <seele> ok.. we'll see what we can fit in to 1 hour then
[14:55] <seb128> I guess users mainly download photos from a camera and browse the photos they have downloaded
[14:55] <mvo> + videos
[14:55] <seb128> and maybe try to print, publish and mail some of those
[14:56] <kwwii> ted2: yeah, that was my point
[14:56] <seele> hmm.. print could be interesting.  we could test configuring a color printer maybe
[14:56] <kwwii> ted2: in the end, we will have to work around their stuff
[14:57] <ted2> kwwii: http://abock.org/2008/06/04/favorite-bug-of-the-day/
[14:57] <ted2> kwwii: He does make the point that this is more of a GTK+ problem than an Ubuntu problem.
[14:58] <kwwii> ted2: yeah, but he filed a bug against the theme saying that we are messing up the look of his widget
[14:58] <seele> Keybuk: so in terms of maybe getting free swag for participants, would that be something to talk to you about or Jono since it is a Loco activity?
[14:59] <Keybuk> Jono
[14:59] <seele> ok cool
[15:00] <Keybuk> right, out of time, adjourned
[15:00] <Keybuk> thanks all
[15:01] <seb128> thanks
[15:01] <pitti> thanks all
[15:01] <mvo> thanks
[15:01] <pitti> see you next Monday
[15:02] <MacSlow> so long folks
[15:02] <seb128> pitti: enjoy your weekend ;-)
[15:03] <mvo> have fun pitti
[15:03] <pitti> thanks! Looking forward to seeing Zuerich again
[15:06] <emgent> @schedule rome
[15:06] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: speaking of which, where *is* jono?
[15:09] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: who knows
[15:09] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: oh, i thought you canonical people were supposed to know better than the general public
[15:13] <Keybuk> we usually know less ;)
[15:15] <\sh> resting? :)
[15:16] <Keybuk> \sh: from what?! :p
[15:16] <Nafallo> he didn't sound good during the last LR :-P
[15:17] <Nafallo> catched a cold
[15:17] <ogra> Keybuk, from drinking with the community indeed
[15:17] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I seem to have that one this week
[15:17] <\sh> Keybuk, Oh...as far as I understood, he told me during Ubuntu BBQ at LT: "you are a typical german, you drink and you are fit early in the morning" I thought he meant, that when uk people drink a lot, as we did altogether, they are not fit the next morning ;)
[15:17] <Keybuk> lost my voice yesterday, and still have a very sore throat today :(
[15:18] <Nafallo> Keybuk: ugh. same thing?
[15:18]  * Hobbsee removes all your alcohol, and declares all ubuntu events as sober-only.
[15:18] <ogra> \sh, known fact
[15:18] <Seeker`> mdz: it was you that pointed out the inconsistency with mootbots voting message last night?
[15:18] <\sh> Hobbsee, you didn't see the video where jono danced with aseigo ;) very nice ;)
[15:18] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: I don't drink anyway ;)
[15:19] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: shameful.  i didn't realise there was another one.
[15:20] <\sh> Hobbsee, but right, we had far too many drinks during the event...
[15:32] <mdz> Seeker`: yes; it said <channel> <vote> in one place, and <vote> <channel> in another
[15:35] <Seeker`> mdz: ok, I'll try to fix that when I have access to the bots server again
[19:59] <udienz-> @now
[19:59] <udienz-> @schedule asia
[20:01] <udienz-> @meeting asia
[20:13] <slangasek> udienz-: um, Asia spans more than one timezone, you'd need to pick one to get a schedule :)
[20:14] <udienz-> ﻿slangasek: okay..
[20:18] <RoAkSoAx> @schedule lima
[20:18] <udienz-> @schedule Jakarta
[20:19] <udienz-> ﻿slangasek: thanks
[20:22] <emgent> @schedule rome
[20:47] <emgent> heya kees :)
[20:50] <emgent> we can start ?
[20:50] <emgent> kees jdstrand wgrant ?
[20:52] <kees> emgent: we should wait for the actual time.  :)
[20:53] <slangasek> right, kinda defeats the purpose of publically scheduling the meetings otherwise..
[20:53] <emgent> oh true,
[20:53] <emgent> @schedule rome
[20:56]  * wgrant appears.
[20:57] <emgent> heya wgrant :)
[20:59] <wgrant> TOo-early morning, emgent.
[21:00] <kees> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:01. The chair is kees.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00] <kees> [TOPIC] intros, if needed
[21:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  intros, if needed
[21:00] <kees> hello everyone!
[21:00] <kees> who's here for the Security Team Meeting?
[21:00] <CaseySchaufler> Casey Schaufler
[21:00] <emgent> me
[21:01] <kees> hiya CaseySchaufler, nice to meet you on IRC.  :)
[21:01] <CaseySchaufler> A pleasure
[21:01] <jdstrand> hi!
[21:01] <wgrant> Me!
[21:01] <wgrant> Hi CaseySchaufler.
[21:01] <CaseySchaufler> Hello wgrant
[21:02] <kees> since CaseySchaufler is new to this meeting, I thought we'd go around quickly and say who we all are and what we do on the security team at large
[21:02] <wgrant> \
[21:02] <wgrant> Oops.
[21:02] <kees> I'm Kees Cook, technical lead of the Ubuntu Security Team, and I do stable package updates and try to work on proactive security in development releases.
[21:03] <kees> I work at Canonical with jdstrand, and that's it for me.  :)
[21:03] <jdstrand> I'm Jamie Strandboge, Canonical employee, and work on the security with Kees
[21:04] <wgrant> I'm William Grant, a MOTU. I pretend to do universe security updates and try to keep ubuntu-cve-tracker, when uni doesn't waste so much time.
[21:04] <CaseySchaufler> I'm Casey Schaufler, and I wrote Smack, a really simple MAC scheme based on 20 years experiance with MLS Unix systems.
[21:04] <wgrant> *ubuntu-cve-tracker updated
[21:04] <wgrant> It is too early.
[21:04] <kees> wgrant: heh
[21:04] <kees> emgent: you're up.
[21:05] <emgent> I'm Emanuele Gentili, part of Security Team (community): Ubuntu Whitehat Leader and Motu Swat member. I work on auditing/pentest and I work in universe security updates.
[21:05] <kees> (wasn't ajmitch going to come this morning?)
[21:05] <kees> CaseySchaufler: for some background where it relates to MAC systems, I did the initial integration work for AppArmor (along with mathiaz (server team)) and jdstrand did many profiles that went into main packages.
[21:06] <kees> okay, our agenda for this meeting:
[21:06] <kees> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[21:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[21:06] <kees> if anyone has stuff to add, please add it to the wiki and let us know that we need to reload the page.  :)
[21:07] <emgent> ok cool :)
[21:07] <kees> I've got another thing I've got to leave for at about :40 after, so if things are still rolling, jdstrand is going to take over for me as chair.  (Though I have no idea how mootboot will deal with that...)
[21:07] <kees> [TOPIC] CVE review
[21:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  CVE review
[21:08] <jdstrand> we should go quickly though-- I don't have much time after that :)
[21:08] <kees> I was hoping we'd have ajmitch here since he was interested in the ubuntu-cve-tracker work
[21:08] <kees> anything you need merged for the tracker, wgrant?
[21:08] <kees> anything people are working on that they need help/direction on?
[21:09] <kees> (I'm personally testing stable kernel updates at the moment, which is a mess of outstanding CVEs...)
[21:09] <wgrant> kees: I've got a couple of smallish changes in my branch, but I've got a big exam in a little over a week so won't be doing much for a while.
[21:09] <emgent> for me not now
[21:09] <kees> wgrant: okay, no problem.  I'll pull the changes and just ping me when you've got more.  :)
[21:09] <kees> I was thinking about adding either per-release or per-package RSS feeds to the CVE tracker's HTML output directories.
[21:10] <kees> that way people interested in a specific package (like the partner repo folks) could track individual package's CVEs
[21:10] <emgent> sounds good
[21:10] <emgent> now i use RSS to for manage CVEs
[21:10] <kees> should be an easy addition to the "make" process.
[21:10] <emgent> s/to/too/
[21:11] <kees> emgent: cool, which RSS feed do you pull from now?
[21:11] <emgent> just a moment
[21:11] <emgent> [LINK] http://nvd.nist.gov/download/nvd-rss.xml
[21:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://nvd.nist.gov/download/nvd-rss.xml
[21:11] <emgent> and..
[21:12] <emgent> [LINK] http://nvd.nist.gov/download/nvd-rss-analyzed.xml
[21:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://nvd.nist.gov/download/nvd-rss-analyzed.xml
[21:12] <kees> cool, I wonder if we can build that into the check-cves process.  it's kind of pain to pull down so much XML each day.  :)
[21:12] <kees> okay, well, in the interests of time, let's forge ahead
[21:12] <kees> [TOPIC] UDS review
[21:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS review
[21:13] <kees> sounds like every one had a good time at the conference -- anything outstanding people want to discuss?
[21:13] <kees> I was happy with how things worked out, but we're still a bit behind on the compiler hardening bits... it's coming though
[21:14] <emgent> soyuz for manage universe-update is in progress true?
[21:14] <kees> either doko or I need to fix a few toolchain tests, but the patches are now in a form that doko is happy with.
[21:14] <kees> emgent: right, it's coming along.  "private" PPAs are being developed now to support it.
[21:14] <emgent> ok cool.
[21:15] <kees> I don't have an ETA from them -- wish I did, so I could track the progress a little better.
[21:15] <kees> okay, moving on quickly...
[21:15] <jdstrand> I haven't done anything yet with ufw, other than upload a small bug fix in hardy-proposed
[21:15] <kees> [TOPIC] Smack
[21:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Smack
[21:15] <kees> CaseySchaufler: what do we need to do to get Smack working happily in Ubuntu?
[21:15] <CaseySchaufler> Turn off SELinux. ...
[21:15] <emgent> lol :)
[21:16] <kees> I read http://schaufler-ca.com/ briefly, and was hoping to have something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor to follow
[21:16] <kees> CaseySchaufler: hah.  well, the MAC system is selectable at boot time.
[21:16] <emgent> [link] (22:15) ( CaseySchaufler) Turn off SELinux. ...
[21:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  (22:15) ( CaseySchaufler) Turn off SELinux. ...
[21:16] <kees> by default AppArmor is in used, but the SELinux integration work was done so that installing "selinux" would do all the magic needed to make it the default, set up policies, etc.
[21:16] <emgent> opss..
[21:16] <kees> having something like that for Smack would be great for people that wanted to use it.
[21:17] <CaseySchaufler> Really, there are a few things to do, sshd, login, cron, but the changes are much less than SELinux of AppArmor requires.
[21:17] <CaseySchaufler> There are no "application profiles" required.
[21:17] <CaseySchaufler> Smack looks at processes, not programs.
[21:17] <emgent> uhm..
[21:18] <kees> CaseySchaufler: well, step 1 is to make it usable.  step 2 would be to make all the profiles (what's Smack's term for this?) on par with the existing AppArmor ones.  steps after that would be evaluating our MACs to decide if we should switch our default.
[21:18] <kees> CaseySchaufler: what would be the steps as you see them to get Smack on par with the existing AppArmor protections?
[21:18] <CaseySchaufler> Step 1 is easy because of the Smack mindset that if the labels match, you're golden,
[21:19] <kees> how does Smack store its labels?
[21:19]  * wgrant saw something about xattrs.
[21:20] <CaseySchaufler> Step 2 is tough, the process label determines the access, not an attribute of the program.
[21:20] <CaseySchaufler> Labels are xattrs.
[21:20] <CaseySchaufler> So a profile is a user thing, not a program thing.
[21:20] <wgrant> To me, a combination of AppArmor and Smack sounds optimal, but I suppose that doesn't work.
[21:20] <kees> but there must be a way to define and write out the xattrs from some text file?
[21:20] <kees> wgrant: unfortunately, stacked LSM isn't very happy
[21:21] <emgent> gobby ?
[21:21] <CaseySchaufler> Smack supports file system default labels.
[21:21] <CaseySchaufler> Unless the xattr (SMACK64) is there, the fs default is used.
[21:21] <kees> do you mean DAC, or do you mean SELinux labels?
[21:22] <CaseySchaufler> This makes it easy to support xattr-less fs
[21:22] <kees> was Smack in 2.6.24 ?
[21:22] <CaseySchaufler> Smack in new to 2.6.25
[21:22] <kees> okay, dang.  so we'll have to wait for the first intrepid kernel upload before anyone can really play with it.
[21:23] <emgent> true
[21:23] <kees> well, I'm all for seeing something similar to what the SELinux folks did.  would you be interested in getting packages prepared to configure a Smack environment?
[21:23] <CaseySchaufler> SELinux uses labels of its own name, Smack uses labels too, but different ones
[21:23] <CaseySchaufler> There is no need to pre-label the file system.
[21:24] <kees> that's a plus.  :)
[21:24] <CaseySchaufler> If you want to, it's easy enough, but all files that come with the distro ought to be labeled with the floor label ("_").
[21:25] <CaseySchaufler> And because that's the default default, it's simple.
[21:25] <CaseySchaufler> Home directories and user files should get labeled.
[21:25] <kees> CaseySchaufler: for the next security meeting, could you prepare an example set of labels for replicating the cupsys AppArmor protections?
[21:25] <CaseySchaufler> I'm working on a busybox adduser to do that.
[21:26] <kees> that would let us compare things more easily
[21:26] <kees> also, I note that Smack doesn't hook file_mmap.  any reason for that?
[21:26] <CaseySchaufler> cupsys. Ok, I can do that .
[21:27] <CaseySchaufler> wrt file_mmap - you need to open the file to mmap it, so the MAC check is done.
[21:27] <kees> [ACTION] CaseySchaufler to write up example labels for cupsys + Smack
[21:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  CaseySchaufler to write up example labels for cupsys + Smack
[21:27] <CaseySchaufler> Unlike SELinux, Smack processes rarely change their labels.
[21:27] <kees> what about MAP_FIXED handling, where no fd is involved?
[21:28] <CaseySchaufler> No quick answer to MAP_FIXED.
[21:29] <kees> okay, cool.   I'm mostly fishing due to a hiccup we encountered late in the release with AppArmor which used file_mmap, but didn't implement the default kernel's mmap_min_addr check (selinux had duplicated it, but our version of AppArmor didn't have it yet)
[21:29] <kees> anyway, I'm very interested in getting another MAC available, so I'm very happy you came to our meeting.
[21:29] <jdstrand> yes, thanks CaseySchaufler :)
[21:29] <CaseySchaufler> Because Smack uses simple interfaces and textstrings there are few ...
[21:30] <CaseySchaufler> libraries and helper apps required.
[21:30] <kees> yeah, it sounds very small :)
[21:30] <emgent> :)
[21:30] <CaseySchaufler> So it can fit in my brain.
[21:31] <kees> hheheh
[21:31] <emgent> lol
[21:31] <kees> alright, well, we're a little blocked waiting for the intrepid kernel, but after that, for next meeting maybe, we can start playing with it.
[21:31] <CaseySchaufler> Really, with SELinux or even AppArmor, it's very hard to tell if an access will succeed in advance and if not, why.
[21:32] <kees> CaseySchaufler: generally we meet every two weeks.  (UDS moved things a bit recently, though)
[21:32] <CaseySchaufler> OK. 2 weeks then?
[21:32] <kees> well, AIUI, that's not true with SELinux, which has extensive analysis tools, but I've never used them.
[21:32] <emgent> me too :\
[21:33] <kees> CaseySchaufler: I say "generally" because we schedule it at the end of the meeting, but we've got another topic coming.  stick around?
[21:33] <CaseySchaufler> Yes, it is true. The proof is that you need those extensive tools!
[21:33] <CaseySchaufler> Sure.
[21:33] <kees> CaseySchaufler: sure -- I'm a fan of "KISS"
[21:33] <kees> but my primary goal is to have admins able to make their own choices about the MAC they want.
[21:33] <CaseySchaufler> Didn't they break up?
[21:33] <wgrant> It's a lot harder to leave a gaping hole if you follow KISS.
[21:34] <CaseySchaufler> I agree.
[21:34] <kees> heh.  this KISS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle
[21:34] <CaseySchaufler> Yes, I just couldn't resist.
[21:34] <kees> I couldn't tell -- don't know your sarcasm style yet.  :)
[21:34] <kees> moving forward...
[21:34] <emgent> :)
[21:34] <kees> [TOPIC] White hat group Schedule Penetration Test date and packages to Auditing
[21:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  White hat group Schedule Penetration Test date and packages to Auditing
[21:35] <emgent> so, anteater (report tool) beta is out
[21:35] <emgent> [link] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat/ubuntu-whitehat-project/uwht
[21:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-whitehat/ubuntu-whitehat-project/uwht
[21:35] <emgent> i think that next week we can start to work
[21:36] <emgent> kees: do you know in what infra we can start security tests ?
[21:36] <kees> cool, hooked up to the python-launchpad-bugs
[21:36] <emgent> heya python-launchpad-bugs now is supported
[21:36] <emgent> s/heay/yeah/
[21:36] <kees> emgent: before anything happens they want a specific test plan -- what ports, services, etc.
[21:37] <kees> emgent: so, probably best to discuss that on the -hardened mailing list.
[21:37] <kees> can you do that this week?
[21:37] <emgent> sure, i will do
[21:37] <kees> [ACTION] emgent to discuss whitehat testing plans on -hardened mailing list
[21:37] <MootBot> ACTION received:  emgent to discuss whitehat testing plans on -hardened mailing list
[21:37] <emgent> anyway for example for test launchpad i talked with stevea
[21:37] <emgent> and him say to me to work on staging.launchpad.net
[21:38] <emgent> so, i will send mail for define method and infra to test.
[21:38] <kees> emgent: right.  that, for example, would be part of the tesing plan.  "Test LP for .... NOTE: use staging.lp..." etc
[21:38] <kees> emgent: what you want is input on the plan, ideas, etc.
[21:38] <emgent> yep
[21:39] <kees> emgent: get it narrowed down to specific things that infra can look at and say "yeah, we're comfortable with those tests"
[21:39] <emgent> i think so
[21:40] <kees> emgent: and for non-LP things, giving some idea of the methods and tests is a start.
[21:40] <kees> emgent: once that's documented, we'll have plan we can work from.
[21:40]  * kees looks around for crimsun.... he wanted to do this for software too.
[21:40] <emgent> ok i understand, i will draft it
[21:40] <emgent> hehehe :)
[21:41] <kees> great.
[21:41] <kees> okay...
[21:41] <emgent> about auditing, I'm thinking to write a list of packages (CMS) used by loco
[21:41] <kees> good idea.  a lot of this can be discussed on the mailing list too.  (no need to wait 2 weeks between reports...)
[21:41] <emgent> ok cool. :)
[21:42] <kees> [TOPIC] next meeting
[21:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[21:42] <kees> 2 weeks, same time?
[21:42] <emgent> +1 for me
[21:42] <CaseySchaufler> OK by me.
[21:42] <kees> wgrant: did this work out for you, other than being brutally early?
[21:42] <emgent> thanks kees :)
[21:42] <kees> I'll try to get crimsun and ajmitch to come to the next meeting (\sh too, but he usually tries to make it)
[21:42] <jdstrand> thanks kees!
[21:43] <emgent> \sh: will read the logs
[21:43] <kees> cool, 2 weeks it is.  :)  thanks everyone, and thanks CaseySchaufler for coming -- glad to have you helping us with Smack.  :)
[21:43] <kees> #endmeeting
[21:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:45.
[21:43] <emgent> (20:52) ( \sh) emgent, I'm sorry I can't attend the meeting..reading tomorrow the logs...
[21:43] <emgent> hehehe :)
[21:43] <emgent> (20:52)  * \sh has some things to do with his wife
[21:43]  * kees runs off to the next appointment
[21:43] <CaseySchaufler> My pleasure. Hey - y'all still looking for an OS manager?
[21:44]  * persia remains impressed with the security team.  As well as tracking all that, only one meeting every two weeks, and finished with 17 minutes to spare.
[21:44] <wgrant> kees: /me mumbles agreement.
[21:44] <kees> persia: hehe
[21:44] <kees> CaseySchaufler: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ <- that's all I know about
[21:45] <CaseySchaufler> I saw. Could be pretty cool.
[21:45] <CaseySchaufler> Especially if meetings run short!
[21:45] <CaseySchaufler> (wrong)
[21:45] <CaseySchaufler> Thank you all. Ta.
[21:46] <jdstrand> bye CaseySchaufler
[21:46] <emgent> see you later people
[21:46] <emgent> :)
[23:08] <candt> testing testing
[23:10] <candtalan> leaving  - 'bye