[00:07] <asac> fta: what do i want?
[00:08] <fta> no template, but a hack with $0
[00:08] <asac> fta: you certainly have found all those mail tweaks in bugzilla?
[00:08] <fta> it's just a patch that has been committed today, written by [reed] :)
[00:09] <asac> fta: The CC field changes
[00:09] <asac> doesnt work?
[00:09] <fta> eh?
[00:09] <[reed]> fta: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email
[00:10] <fta> hhmm, thanks
[00:10] <asac> fta: quite easy to find imo: preferences -> email preferences
[00:13] <fta> good. done
[00:13] <fta> g++ -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE  -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -pedantic -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions  -fexceptions -Wno-unknown-pragmas -fPIC -shared -Wl,-z,defs -Wl,-h,libxpcomclucene.so -o libxpcomclucene.so  flockLucene.o flockLuceneImp
[00:13] <fta> l.o flockLuceneThread.o flockLuceneModule.o     -lpthread -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions  -Wl,-rpath-link,../../../../dist/bin  ../../../../dist/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a -L../../../../dist/bin -lxpcom -L/usr/lib -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4 -lpthread -ldl /usr/lib/libclucene.a -Wl,--version-script -Wl,../../../../build/unix/gnu-ld-scripts/components-version-script -Wl,-Bsymbolic -ldl -lm
[00:13] <fta> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libclucene.a(FSDirectory.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[00:13] <fta> /usr/lib/libclucene.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[00:13] <fta> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[00:13] <fta> make[8]: *** [libxpcomclucene.so] Error 1
[00:13] <fta> damn amd64
[00:39] <asac> fta: where is libclucene from?
[00:39] <asac> is that packaged?
[00:39] <fta> yzq
[00:39] <fta> yes
[00:40] <asac> why didn't i find it yet?
[00:40] <fta> --with-clucene-prefix=/usr  and libclucene-dev
[00:40] <asac> i searched for lucense for C multiple times
[00:40] <asac> stupid me
[00:41] <asac> c++ ... ok
[01:10] <Hawkskater> hello
[01:12] <Hawkskater> so, hows firefox 3 coming?
[01:14] <asac> with v(MAX)
[01:14] <asac> :-P
[01:18] <asac> Hawkskater: are you running RC1 from hardy-proposed?
[01:18] <Hawkskater> no, im running 3 beta 5, i havent gotten around to installing the rc
[01:20] <asac> its simple. add hardy-proposed or the mozillateam PPA sources to sources.list
[01:20] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[01:20] <fta> asac, hardy/libclucene is broken: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15025765/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.flock_2.0%7Ea1%7Esvn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1%7Efta4%7Ehardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:20] <asac> but hardy-propopsed is more up to date
[01:20] <Hawkskater> asac thanks
[01:21] <asac> fta: do they ship any .o files by accident?
[01:22] <fta> who ? clucene or flock ?
[01:22] <asac> flock
[01:23] <fta> looking
[01:23] <fta> nope
[01:28] <fta> debian bug 460328
[01:29] <Hawkskater> asac
[01:44] <asac> Hawkskater:  yes.
[01:44] <asac> RC is better
[01:44] <Hawkskater> any great new features?
[01:45] <asac> but b5 wasnt really bad either. but as always there is no objective measure here what is really good
[01:45] <asac> Hawkskater: no ... feature work was done before beta even ;)
[01:45] <asac> polishing mostly
[01:45] <Hawkskater> oh, i might want to update
[09:15] <MechtiIde> hello and good morning, I want to configure a calender/mail server using for less then ten users. Which software do you suggest and where can I find documentation to configure server _and_ client
[09:15] <MechtiIde> the client should be Thunderbird/lightning
[09:16] <asac> MechtiIde: you can configure a webdav server
[09:16] <asac> that should be enough
[09:16] <asac> for calendaring
[09:16] <asac> for mail you can used something independent
[09:16] <asac> whatever you prefer
[09:16] <asac> i assume you want an imap server
[09:17] <MechtiIde> asac, where do I find a HowTo or something similar?
[09:17] <asac> there are a bunch with different targetted audienced ... i cannot give a preference for servers
[09:17] <asac> MechtiIde: google "setup webdav apache"
[09:17] <asac> apt-cache search imap server
[09:18] <MechtiIde> and a WebDav dokumentation for User not for developer
[09:18] <asac> if you have a specific imap server google for "setup XXXSERVER ubuntu"
[09:18] <asac> MechtiIde: google like above
[09:19] <MechtiIde> thanks for the right words to look for
[09:21] <asac> MechtiIde: you can also seay "setup webdav apache ubuntu"
[09:21] <asac> :)
[09:21] <asac> thats the second hit: http://www.digital-arcanist.com/sanctum/article.php?story=20070427101250622
[09:22] <asac> our wiki could deserve a page for WebDAV setup ... maybe summarize your experiences there for other users
[09:22] <asac> MechtiIde: ^^
[09:23] <MechtiIde> I will describe it
[09:23] <MechtiIde> also for Debian/Lenny
[09:27] <armin76> asac: bumb!
[09:28] <asac> dump
[09:28] <armin76> bumb rc2!
[09:29] <asac> armin76: we already are far ahead ... RC2 is for the weak
[09:30] <armin76> lol
[09:33] <asac> given that gentoo is not really the place to find the weak ... and given that you dont distribute with official marks ... how about always tracking trunnk in gentoo :)
[09:33] <asac> that would surely give you credits on fta side ;)
[09:34] <armin76> haha
[09:34] <armin76> no way :P
[09:34] <asac> bah, i stand corrected: gentoo is a place for the weak ;)
[09:34] <armin76> i do other stuff more interesting than mozilla :P
[09:34] <asac> compiling X?
[09:34] <asac> :-D
[09:34] <asac> and OOO
[09:34] <asac> to test latest compiler tweaks
[09:35] <armin76> lol
[09:35] <asac> -O666 -Wl,-DTHE_NUMBER_OF_THE_BEAST
[09:35] <armin76> no, i do arch testing, something ubuntu and debian doesn't do :P
[09:35] <asac> yeah
[09:35] <asac> much appreciated
[09:35] <asac> debian has some QA though
[09:35] <asac> just depends on wheteher ther are users at all for lets say s390 desktop ;)
[09:36] <armin76> and we aren't stuck with old kernels :P
[09:37] <asac> are we?
[09:37] <asac> is debian?
[09:37] <asac> did debian enter base freeze yet?
[09:37] <armin76> Linux i2 2.6.26-rc4 #1 SMP Wed Jun 4 11:43:22 UTC 2008 ia64 31 GenuineIntel GNU/Linux *g*
[09:37] <armin76> no idea
[09:39] <asac> thats for the weak for sure ;) ... you should be unning 2.7.0
[09:39] <asac> hah, outdated ... latest is 2.6.26-rc5
[09:40] <armin76> its a dev box, i don't reboot it everyday :P
[09:40] <asac> haha
[09:41] <armin76> but you don't have one! do you?
[09:41] <armin76> fail!
[09:43] <asac> 2.7? sure ... i am a strong guy and spoof the version umber just to impress the world
[09:48] <armin76> i mean a dev box :P
[09:48] <armin76> gtg
[09:49] <fta> my dev box is my desktop at home. an all-HEAD desktop :)
[09:50] <asac> fta: can you please to a maintainence change for the current intrepid mozilla-devscripts?
[09:50] <asac> all those things like mercurila should not be depends, but recommends
[09:50] <asac> let me know if you can do it ... otherwise ill fork out the release and do it as its now blocking intrepid biulds
[09:51] <asac> fta: do you track linux HEAD too?
[09:51] <asac> which branch? -mm ?
[09:52] <fta> not anymore, used to for years
[09:52] <asac> fta: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15053195/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.midbrowser_0.3.0rc1a-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:53] <asac> midbrowser fails because of devscripts
[09:53] <asac> mercurial should be available though ... not sure. but better drop the depends and make them recommends
[09:53] <asac> lower the risk of pulling something broken ;)
[09:54] <asac> fta: mercurial is in universe
[09:54] <fta> done
[09:56] <asac> fta: which branch is the stable update branch?
[09:56] <asac> i cant upload 0.09 ... i need a spin of for 0.08
[09:56] <fta> even for intrepid ?
[09:56] <asac> yes
[09:56] <fta> why ?
[09:57] <asac> i need a fix now ... cant risk that something breaks
[09:58] <fta> well, the only change is mozclient, it's not automatically used by packages
[09:58] <asac> dont bother ... ill do it
[09:59] <fta> i've closed 0.09 already
[09:59] <asac> thats not a problem
[10:00] <fta> it is if you have no intention to push it
[10:05] <asac> ok i have done it ... look if you are happy like it is
[10:06] <fta> where ?
[10:09] <fta> well, 0.09 is not pushed so there's no point in starting 0.09.1, i'd better unclose 0.09 for now
[10:09] <fta> I need to run, i'll think about it
[10:09] <asac> fta: i dont think its a problem. you can close 0.09.1 ... didnt want to unclose
[10:09] <asac> but do as you wish
[10:11] <asac> ok i creatd .hardy branch ... will mark main branch as development and that as mature
[10:12] <asac> fta: if you undo the release, please do a full bzr merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts.intrepid.0.08.1
[10:12] <asac> so we can mark that branch as merged without loosing the ploaded commit
[10:13] <asac> once midbrowser is build we can upload 0.09 :)
[10:13] <asac> or 0.09.1
[10:45] <armin76> quick
[10:49] <asac> [reed]: so what kind of mechanism should we use in bugzilla to track ubuntu forwarded bugs?
[10:50] <asac> did we say keyword? ... or did we say "CC virtual user" ?
[10:50] <asac> did we come up with other options?
[10:55] <asac> bug 147119
[10:58] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052912 Firefox/3.0 <- interesting
[10:58] <armin76> rc2 identifies itself as 3.0
[10:58] <asac> armin76: rc1 too for me, no?
[10:58] <asac> at least in about ;)
[10:59] <armin76> no idea
[10:59]  * armin76 checks
[11:01] <armin76> yup, you're right
[11:01] <armin76> i didn't notice :D
[11:02] <asac> mozilla releases _real_ RCs ;)
[11:02] <asac> which isnt that bad
[11:06] <gnomefreak> this is odd
[11:06] <gnomefreak> can anyone see me?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> it seems as if im  still syncing
[11:07] <fta2> yes
[11:08] <gnomefreak> fta2: thanks
[11:08] <gnomefreak> it seems as if the channels are syncing 5 at a time
[11:08] <armin76> i can't
[11:09] <gnomefreak> did anyone open a bug on RC2 for the release?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i havent checked mail to see when it will release yet
[11:10] <fta2> rsn
[11:10] <gnomefreak> rsn?
[11:10] <armin76> haha
[11:11] <armin76> gnomefreak: ubuntu already has 3.0 final :)
[11:11] <gnomefreak> armin76: they ended up releasing RC1 as final?
[11:11] <armin76> yeah! bad ubuntu *g*
[11:11] <armin76> j/k
[11:11] <gnomefreak> armin76: there was a bug or 2 blocking
[11:12] <gnomefreak> armin76: are you just looking at the FF title bar or did you hear this from mozilla
[11:13] <armin76> woot?
[11:13] <armin76> rc2 is already released
[11:13] <gnomefreak> armin76: when was it released? yesterday?
[11:13] <armin76> or today
[11:13] <armin76> read mozilla.com :P
[11:13] <armin76> err
[11:14] <armin76> .org
[11:14] <gnomefreak> armin76: havent gotten that far yet and i will have it in email anyway
[11:15] <gnomefreak> who has pine + thunderbird + IMAP?
[11:15] <armin76> This entry was posted by beltzner on Wednesday, June 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
[11:15]  * gnomefreak didnt think thunderbird read files from you ~/SHOME yet include them in TB folders
[11:16] <gnomefreak> seems to me RC2 is borked
[11:16] <armin76> lol
[11:17] <gnomefreak> This is bugging the hell outta me and I can't find a way to roll back
[11:17] <gnomefreak> to RC1. Any idea?
[11:18] <gnomefreak> gonna ask if its google tool bar causing that :) if i ever get TB to help me out
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: in what way is RC2 borked?
[11:26] <asac> important to figure out instead of rolling back
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: its looking like extensions the more i read it
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i posted comment asking about GTB
[11:26] <asac> GTB?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> GooleToolBar
[11:27] <asac> ah
[11:27] <asac> does that work at all?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: does thunberbird look for folders/mail from hard driver? like make folder in pine adn Tb will pick it up
[11:28] <gnomefreak> asac: AFAIK its still broken
[11:28] <gnomefreak> las i heard Google only updated API for certain sites like gmail
[11:28] <asac> fta2: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15056277/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.midbrowser_0.3.0rc1a-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:28] <asac> still fails
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: see bug 122529 as i have neverheard of TB looking in ~/Mail for folders nor mail
[11:30] <gnomefreak> it was closed at one time but user reopened it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[11:31] <asac> well ... you can use movemail
[11:31] <asac> then you can probalby specify that as the location
[11:32] <asac> maybe you can even set a custom location for Mail for certain accountgs
[11:32] <asac> fta2: i wonder if builds now require recommends too
[11:32] <asac> cant see which version was pulled in ... will retry in an hour
[12:11] <gnomefreak> is it possible to set TB2 to offline mode for incoming and online for outgoing? yes it saounds silly but very helpfull when you have ~2000 emails and more just keep coming in
[12:12] <asac> dont think so
[12:12] <asac> why?
[12:13] <asac> hmm
[12:13] <asac> you say a "stop the flood button" ?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> too many coming in while im working on sending email so it would same me the time to keep scrolling
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: yes :)
[12:13] <asac> hmm
[12:14] <gnomefreak> and what are the little orange "stars" or "circle"
[12:14] <asac> intersting approach ;)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> next to new mail
[12:14] <asac> why is that a problem?
[12:14] <asac> thunderbird should keep the currently selected mail active
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: time consumming to keep reading the email (its almost like) im looping without a breaking point
[12:16] <gnomefreak> it does but since i work from top to bottom of the list of mails and only comment on some the rest stay marked as unread until im done just incase i missed something
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe sort by date?
[12:18] <asac> not by thread?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i guess ill have to change how they are viewed
[12:19] <asac> i think you are right
[12:19] <asac> what one would want is going through mails by date, but still viewing thread
[12:19] <asac> e.g. you could manually go up and down single steps with cursor
[12:19] <asac> but the next mail button would go to next mail by date
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe thats the case?
[12:20] <asac> you can hit 'j' to get to next mail
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yeh that about right. I just hate the fact that no matter what view its not helpful with that many emails. i wonder if someone has a extension for something  like that :)
[12:25]  * gnomefreak has an idea
[12:25] <gnomefreak> have all my outgoing comments ready to send than turn tb back online and send them :)
[13:05] <gnomefreak> asac: got another firefox/thunderbird should save files "****" bug 175286
[13:08] <asac> gnomefreak: thats fixed in hardy
[13:08] <asac> look at a changelog to infd the dupe
[13:08] <gnomefreak> k
[13:08] <gnomefreak> in FF3 or 2?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> asac: im not seeing it https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0 nor in firefox source package
[13:13] <asac> gnomefreak: no thats fixed in thunderb
[13:13] <asac> irdf
[13:13] <asac> firefox 3 has it fixed
[13:13] <asac> ffox 2 wontfix
[13:16] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox-3 fix was ours or upstreams?
[13:17] <gnomefreak> fucking thunderbird feature is broken cant send unsent mails after turning it back online
[13:18] <asac> gnomefreak: fffox 3 == fixed upstream
[13:18] <asac> tbird 2 == fixed here
[13:18] <asac> ffox 2 == wontfix
[13:18] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:21] <gnomefreak> i cant send mail in tb :(
[13:21] <gnomefreak> thats alot of replys that wont get sent
[13:24] <gnomefreak> bug 192888
[13:27] <asac> only 50 bugmails in fox3 folder left :
[13:27] <asac> )
[13:29] <asac> [reed]: you think bug 236610 aspect was already discussed or even fixed?
[13:29] <asac> e.g. invalid cert in an iframe where the user cannot reach the "add exception ..." button?
[13:39] <asac> gnomefreak: can you confirm bug 236901
[13:39] <asac> ?
[13:39] <asac> let me know
[13:39] <gnomefreak> k
[13:39] <gnomefreak> im thinking gmail has issues today
[13:42] <gnomefreak> file > close works fine asked me to delete personal info and loaded the bug page in tab
[13:43] <gnomefreak> andd it works fine using the X in upper right hand corner. I DONT SEE A RED X anywhere. maybe its a theme hes using?
[13:45]  * asac lunch
[13:45] <gnomefreak> commented on bug
[13:47]  * gnomefreak heading to drs. appointment not sure how long i will be gone but once noon gets here <in about 3hours and 15 minutes
[14:08] <armin76> asac: 233610 sucks, tbh :P
[14:08] <armin76> we'll miss the dialogs :(
[14:49] <asac> bug 233610
[14:49] <asac> mozilla bug 233610
[14:49] <asac> armin76: not sure what you mean
[14:50] <armin76> asac: 236610 :P
[14:52] <asac> armin76: gentoo thing?
[14:52] <armin76> bug 236610
[15:04] <asac> bug folder all read
[15:25] <asac> 400 to go in ffox 2 folder :(
[17:51]  * Admiral_laptop is smooth...
[17:51] <Admiral_laptop> I deleted everything in /usr/bin that I needed
[17:52] <Admiral_laptop> basically the whole core-utils package..
[17:52] <Admiral_laptop> time to go fix it..
[17:52] <Admiral_laptop> gah, wrong channel.
[17:56] <armin76> fail
[18:15] <asac> ^^ was that ment for this channel :) ?
[18:15] <asac> oh he already noticed
[18:15] <asac> i should work on screens that have more than 10 lines ;)
[19:25] <campd> asac: what do you guys do with crash reporting/breakpad?
[19:40] <asac> campd: multiple options.
[19:40] <asac> campd: 1. send all stacktraces we currently have somewhere
[19:41] <asac> campd: 2. in future enable crashreporter and arrange with you so that you can properly analyze those crashes
[19:41] <asac> e.g. work how to get dbg symbols to you and so on
[19:43] <asac> campd: would you be willing to help us get things sorted on your side?
[19:46] <campd> I can find the right people to talk to :)
[19:46] <campd> do you just disable the crash reporter for now?
[19:46] <asac> campd: for now its disabled. we have our own distro solution, e.g. we get all crashes reported as bugs
[19:46] <campd> yeah
[19:46] <campd> cool, thanks
[19:47] <asac> but i want to change that ;) ... tell me what we need to do before we can able crashporter
[19:47] <asac> np
[19:51] <campd> asac: so basically what you'd need to do is send us symbols, and point the crash reporter at our crash reporting server
[19:52] <campd> asac: Ted Mielczarek can give you more detail about what you'd need to do
[19:52] <asac> campd: true. but what symbols ... how do you select the right ones? you probably need the symbols for all depends as well
[19:53] <campd> either ted.mielczarek@gmail.com or you can ask on dev-platform
[19:53] <asac> campd: yeah, i know him. i wanted to talk with him about it once in #breakpad, but then things got in between
[19:54] <asac> campd: whats your mozilla.com address? campd@moz.. ?
[19:54] <campd> dcamp@
[19:56] <campd> asac: is the data generated by your crash reporter available publically anywhere?
[19:57] <asac> campd: its all in bugs.
[19:57] <asac> every crash is one bug.
[19:57] <campd> ah
[19:57] <asac> i can show you one
[19:58] <asac> there is a text file attachment that has the thread stack trace
[19:58] <campd> how is dup management handled?
[19:58] <asac> campd: if you can use those to inject them in your database i could arrange to send you all files in a batch
[19:58] <campd> I dunno how that'd work
[19:58] <asac> campd: we have a database running on the server that tries to match them. doesnt work that great for  mozillas
[19:58] <asac> but in general it works
[19:59] <asac> still nothing as streamlined as breakpad
[19:59] <campd> cool
[19:59] <asac> campd: bug 188540
[20:08] <asac> campd: ok i sent a starter mail to you and ted.
[20:12] <campd> asac: cool, thanks
[20:13] <asac> probably a bit confusing without context. hope that is ok for a start
[20:13] <campd> looks fine to me
[20:20] <asac> jcastro: thanks received the mail from sonbird folks and will answer that
[20:20] <asac> by tomorrow the answers should be there
[20:25] <asac> Jazzva: hey
[20:26] <Jazzva> asac: Here I am...
[20:26] <asac> Jazzva: howdy?
[20:27] <Jazzva> asac: Pretty good ... You? :)
[20:27] <asac> same same
[20:27] <asac>  ;)
[20:27] <asac> Jazzva: how are your merges going for this cycle?
[20:27] <asac> wanna get you in ubuntu-dev ;)
[20:27] <Jazzva> asac: Not so good... have been lazy
[20:27]  * Jazzva is ashamed
[20:27] <asac> hehe
[20:28] <Jazzva> asac: So far: liferea, ksimus, and... lemme check
[20:28] <asac> how can i motivate you?
[20:28] <asac> Jazzva: did i upload liferea yet?
[20:28] <asac> otherwise give me link ... ill do that now
[20:28] <Jazzva> asac: Nope :).
[20:28] <Jazzva> Ok, wait a second
[20:28] <Jazzva> asac: I have also been helping norsetto with gnome-mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer :)
[20:29] <asac> Jazzva: yeah ... i know. he asked me to sponsor them to debian
[20:29] <asac> which ill do
[20:29] <Jazzva> asac: liferea is bug 228827
[20:29] <asac> at least i plan to
[20:29] <Jazzva> And tracker. That's it so far...
[20:30] <asac> Jazzva: there is still no full debdiff :/
[20:30] <asac> thought you said you attached that?
[20:30] <Jazzva> asac: Well, I think that should be the one without po
[20:31] <Jazzva> Every time I asked about po changes, I was told to remove them from the final debdiff...
[20:31] <Jazzva> Let me see on ubuntu-motu.
[20:33] <armin76> asac: what about me! :P
[20:33] <Jazzva> asac: I'll try to find some merge to do it tonight. :)
[20:34] <asac> armin76: you? ... i thought you ----><---- that close from getting banned on all public irc networks:-P ... now you want to be a ubuntu-dev?
[20:34] <asac> hehe
[20:35] <armin76> haha
[20:35] <armin76> why would i get banned? :P
[20:36] <Jazzva> asac: There is the comment on #ubuntu-motu... Let me just check the changelog :). If there is no mention of those rare cases, I think the debdiff without-po is the final one...
[20:37] <asac> Jazzva: ok i am building and uploading
[20:37] <asac> i dont mind.
[20:37] <asac> just remember to follow up in case liferea gets regressions :)
[20:38] <Jazzva> Ok... I haven't seen any while I was messing around with it.
[20:39] <Jazzva> asac: How many votes would I need for ubuntu-dev?
[20:44] <asac> Jazzva: just consent i think. there is no absolute number
[20:44] <asac> Jazzva: if you have a few that would be good ... if you have noone against you thats even better ;)
[20:45] <asac> Jazzva: updating my subscriptions doesnt work
[20:45] <asac> i get (-) signs next to the subscription
[20:45] <Jazzva> asac: Well, you said you would give one. pochu mentioned he would be willing to say he was happy with those two merges, but that he doubts it wouldn't mind. And I might ask norsetto, if he would support me. I don't know if anyone else remembers me
[20:45] <Jazzva> asac: lemme run it
[20:47] <asac> hmm hostname could not  be found
[20:47] <asac> whats gong on
[20:48] <Jazzva> asac: It works here... updates correctly
[20:48] <Jazzva> Dunno what's wrong
[20:49] <Jazzva> I'll test the debdiff again :/
[20:49] <asac> yeah ... let me check
[20:49] <asac> i have a wierd feeling
[20:49] <asac> Jazzva: are you using xulrunner 1.9 rc1?
[20:50] <Jazzva> Yes
[20:50] <Jazzva> 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[20:50] <Jazzva> That one
[20:50] <asac> works?
[20:50] <Jazzva> Let me build with the debdiff...
[20:50] <Jazzva> Just to see if everything is ok.
[20:51] <Jazzva> But with the deb I made, everything works. Updates the feeds.
[20:51] <asac> Jazzva: ok works here :-P
[20:51] <asac> proxy bustage
[20:51] <Jazzva> asac: Phew :)
[20:51] <asac> most likely in combination with the mobile xulrunner build i am using
[20:51] <asac> which has a patch to auto sync things from gconf
[20:51] <asac> and i tested with proxy yesterday :)
[20:52] <Jazzva> Ah... I see.
[20:52] <Jazzva> So, I haven't messed up (...yet)? :)
[20:54] <asac> Jazzva: ok. i think thats great
[20:54] <Jazzva> asac: ...regarding the votes. I don't know if anyone would be against me. Nobody complained to me directly. (which doesn't mean that nobody wont on voting)
[20:54] <Jazzva> *won't
[20:56] <asac> hehe
[20:56] <asac> sure
[20:56] <asac> i doubt there will be someone against you
[20:56] <asac> Jazzva: do we do carry a diff to debian that moves things to quilt?
[20:58] <Jazzva> asac: We switched to quilt, because Debian did that. And then I just remade the Ubuntu patches, to be for quilt
[20:58] <Jazzva> So, I suppose we don't...
[21:00] <asac> Jazzva: ok uploading
[21:01] <Jazzva> asac: Thanks :)
[21:01] <asac> thanks
[21:01] <asac> done
[21:01] <asac> Jazzva: have you tried to enable webkit?
[21:02] <Jazzva> asac: I didn't know we provide webkit :/. Now I see we do... I haven't tried that.
[21:02] <asac> Jazzva: would be a high profile task :)
[21:03] <asac> if that works well we have to move webkit to main i guess and doing that will cause some visibility for you ;)
[21:03] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, I'll try... But don't expect I'll succeed :)
[21:03] <asac> Jazzva: na ... should work
[21:03] <asac> maybe you need to update webkit to latest from debian
[21:03] <asac> but why now
[21:03] <Jazzva> Actually, I'll try it right now :)
[21:03] <asac> not
[21:26] <Jazzva> asac: Test building liferea with webkit ... so far no breakages.
[21:27] <Jazzva> And now it's compiling source files...
[21:32] <asac> bug 38131
[21:34] <asac> bug #198453
[21:38] <Jazzva> asac: Any way how can I check if liferea uses webkit?
[21:38] <Jazzva> asac: Oh, there is the message in the terminal :)
[21:38] <asac> Jazzva: ldd /usr/bin/liferea
[21:39] <asac> or any binary it distributes
[21:39] <asac> hehe
[21:39] <Jazzva> Note: WebKit HTML rendering support is experimental and
[21:39] <Jazzva> I suppose it is with webkit :)
[21:39] <asac> does it work good?
[21:39] <Jazzva> Let me test it a bit... Adding a feed, removing a feed, updating, etc... :)
[21:41] <Jazzva> asac: Can you check the post in Planet Ubuntu, published today at 12:59PM.. The name of the blog/poster is not displayed correctly, but with boxes with utf character code in them.
[21:45] <asac> only have a post at 12.49
[21:45] <asac> err, most recent is 22:10
[21:45] <asac> my history doesnt get that far
[21:45] <asac> i wiped my .liferea-1.4 dir :)
[21:46] <Jazzva> Ah... ok, I'll remove liferea-webkit, to see if it's ok :)
[21:48] <Jazzva> asac: It's the problem with liferea (or my character support...), and not with liferea-webkit
[21:49] <Jazzva> asac: So, at the first glance, it works fine.
[21:49] <asac> ok. do we have latest webkit?
[21:51] <Jazzva> asac: the same as in debian
[21:52] <Jazzva> it's 0~svn32442-1
[21:53] <Jazzva> And the change to the package it's really little. Just adding debian/liferea-webkit.* files from Debian's package, enabling it in debian/{control,rules}
[21:59] <Jazzva> asac: So, are we doing liferea-webkit package?
[22:02] <asac> Jazzva: thats good
[22:02] <asac> we can probably enable it and push it
[22:03] <asac> Jazzva: have to get webkit to main though
[22:03] <asac> Jazzva: can you look how epiphany with webkit currently looks like?
[22:03] <asac> if that is already in a usable state we can do that migration too i guess
[22:04] <Jazzva> asac: You mean to build it? there is no package in ubuntu
[22:07] <asac> Jazzva: right ;)
[22:07] <asac> i think webkit is disabled
[22:08] <Jazzva> asac: Ok, I'll get our package and enable webkit :).
[22:41] <crimsun> asac: WRT libflashsupport, it's a bit complicated.  It was never a real solution, so it shouldn't be used in either hardy-* or intrepid.  The PulseAudio source package doesn't need to be adjusted in hardy-*; it may be in intrepid (i.e., promoting libasound2-plugins from Recommends to Depends).
[22:42] <crimsun> asac: So, for intrepid, libasound2-plugins is the intended path, since it functions with flashplugin-nonfree much better than libflashsupport (not to mention alsa-lib is fixed).
[22:42] <Jazzva> asac: Could we do the merge of epiphany-browser from debian, and then try to enable the webkit during the merge?
[22:43] <crimsun> asac: it is not possible to cleanly SRU alsa-lib into hardy-*, because the necessary bits will cause apps compiled against hardy's libasound2-dev to break.
[22:49] <Jazzva> asac: At least, I would go that way... :)
[22:54] <asac> crimsun: i agree on dumping libflashssupport
[22:54] <asac> crimsun: so what are the alsa-lib changes? isnt it just a the pulse plugin that needs to be enabled + flash 10?
[22:55] <crimsun> asac: no, we need a fixed alsa-plugins source package (see bzr) /and/ a fixed alsa-lib source package
[22:55] <crimsun> (for hardy-*, that is)
[22:56] <crimsun> alsa-plugins bits are fairly trivial and already in bzr
[22:56] <asac> right. just wonder what fix is it that requires alsa-lib to break ABI?
[22:56] <asac> crimsun: alsa plugins == pulse plugin/module for alsa right?
[22:56] <crimsun> I'll dig up the specific changesets, just on the phone ATM
[22:57] <crimsun> (WRT alsa-lib)
[22:57] <asac> crimsun: ok thanks
[22:57] <crimsun> yes, alsa-plugins contains pulse pcm & ctl
[22:57] <Jazzva> asac: If you have few minutes :)... Would you be ok if I try to do epiphany merge? It seems big, mostly Makefile.in's that couldn't be merged. So, I suppose I should just keep Debian files for that. Any other warnings? (in case you're fine with me doing the merge)
[22:58] <Jazzva> (you are the last uploader for it...)
[22:59] <asac> Jazzva: which merge?
[22:59] <Jazzva> asac: epiphany-browser
[22:59] <asac> Jazzva: i just upgraded epiphany-browser to latest upstream :)
[22:59] <asac> i am not really sure that epiphany-browser is really based on debian packages
[22:59] <Jazzva> asac: Hmm... I downloaded 2.22.1.1 (I think) half an hour ago... Now I noticed there is a merge waiting in Debian. So, merge is a no-go way.
[23:00] <asac> Jazzva: 2.22.2 is in proposed
[23:00] <asac> and intrepid
[23:00] <asac> iirc
[23:00] <Jazzva> asac: Looking at the changelog, I think we merged in the hardy cycle. But, there were many changes since then...
[23:01] <asac> our chanages are mostly for xulrunner 1.9
[23:01] <asac> we probably need to keep them
[23:01] <asac> try to do the merge, but try to keep the xulrunner 1.9 changes for now
[23:01] <asac> (if the merge is about 2.22.2 at all)
[23:02] <asac> otherwise we have to wait till debian updates their package to 2.22.2
[23:02] <Jazzva> Nope... I think it's still 2.22.1.1 in debian.
[23:03] <Jazzva> Ok... I'll try to pick their changes in order to enable webkit, and put them in our package...
[23:03] <asac> Jazzva: yeah ... do a three way merge ;)
[23:04] <Jazzva> Is that a good thing :)?
[23:04] <Jazzva> what is a three way merge exactly?
[23:04] <asac> better would be to do the debian upgrade and then merge ;)
[23:04] <asac> not sure who is debian maintainer
[23:04] <asac> but maybe its lool?
[23:04] <asac> you can certainly ask him to upload to debian
[23:06] <asac> Jazzva: well. now i remember: you should actually packag elatest 2.23 snapshot
[23:06] <asac> thats where all the epiphany webkit work happens
[23:06] <Jazzva> asac: Josselin Mouette and slomo... and Debian GNOME maintainers
[23:06] <asac> and we can drop xul changes as xul backend is gone
[23:06] <asac> ok
[23:07] <asac> Jazzva: maybe just try a local build for latest trunk of epiphany
[23:07] <asac> if that is good we should talk to seb first
[23:07] <asac> on how to coordinate that
[23:07] <asac> he has plans for 2.23 soon
[23:07] <Jazzva> So, for now, we go with 2.23...
[23:07] <Jazzva> Right?
[23:07] <asac> so he probably wants 2.23 packaged
[23:07] <asac> Jazzva: right ?... but dont put too much efford in packaging. maybe just try to build upstream sources and see in what state the tree is
[23:08] <asac> maybe upstream currently does some heavy lifting and its not suitable to be packaged at all right now
[23:09] <Jazzva> umm... ok. I'll see what I can do
[23:12] <asac> Bug 227274
[23:12] <asac> hmm gnomefreak set that to triaged
[23:13] <Jazzva> Ok... I'm off for 10-20 minutes.. See you soon
[23:52] <fta> http://vcscompare.blogspot.com/2008/06/on-mainline-merges-and-fast-forwards.html
[23:56] <fta> http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.com/2008/06/dvcs-comparison-on-mainline-merges-and.html