[00:00] my grandmother. who, according to most Sweish-Finns, "went native" because the family moved to Karelia. :) [00:00] /me isn't suprised about anything anymore [00:01] am I allowed to ask what happened with #xubuntu [00:01] one should never be surprised at mneptok [00:02] i have come to believe that the primary difference between Finns and Swedish-Finns is that Swedish-Finns act the same way IRL as they do on IRC. [00:02] so we've got Famiglia Finlandese in -ops too [00:02] and ... if anyone claims to be Finnish or Swedish-Finn, and says they don;t use IRC, is lying. [00:02] Cosa Nostra! [00:03] pukka-weilding hitmen! [00:03] assassing people with force feeding mämmi and shoving their heads inside Nokia wellies [00:04] http://www.nokianfootwear.fi/everyday/kontioclassic.php [00:05] "Suomen Gummitehdas Oy had by this time changed its name to Suomen Kumitehdas Oy. In 1967 a long-discussed project was completed when Suomen Kumitehdas Oy and Suomen Kaapelitehdas Oy (Finnish Cable Works Ltd) merged with the forest and power industry company Oy Nokia Ab (Nokia Corporation). The Group’s fields of business were the rubber, cable and forest industries as well as power generation and electronics." [00:06] actually the toilet paper from Nokia mills was awful [00:07] :-P [00:08] /me goes to google some more pictures of cute linux geeks before heading to bed [00:08] be afraid. [00:08] be very afraid [00:09] * mneptok is decidedly uncute [00:10] * elky_work seconds mneptok's notion. [00:12] lo LjL [00:17] nitenite, folks [00:17] --> [00:17] goodnight Myrtti [00:19] nn [00:35] genii called the ops in #kubuntu (iLoveVista) [01:07] Pici: lookat pancho's hostmask, I think he is !ar not !es [01:09] Seeker`: thanks, didnt actually look that time [01:09] you just did br [01:09] after I saw your message [01:09] ok [01:12] h0cus... [01:15] please tell me that ubottu has an exempt on flooding in #ubuntu [01:15] ubotu does [01:16] we need ubottu to have one too [01:16] Yes, go to it bot wrangler [01:16] do you know the best way to contact Ljl at the moment? [01:18] email? [01:21] kk [01:22] email sent [01:28] can we account for all the bans in this chan and validate their continued existance? [01:29] the fujisan one seems reasonable afai can remember [01:37] as to the teetees ones afaik [01:37] s/to/are/ [01:38] @btlogin [01:38] I'm not sure they are recent enough to be in the bt [01:39] nakedgoat = fahq = showusyourteetees I think [01:39] yeah [01:40] not suer who the c-67-67 ones is [01:42] and most of the rest have been set by chanserv, and I'm assuming they are "we dont want these people back ever" sorts of bans [01:44] most bans will be chanserv set currently, due to the fact that services changed [01:45] :/ [01:51] In a renewed sense of obligation to deal with the Xubuntu issue in the Ubuntu Spirit, Joseph and I have come to an interim agreement that involves the IRC Council being added to the Xubuntu channel's access list. [01:51] hi cody-somerville [01:52] cody-somerville: Its good that you could come to some sort of agreement [01:52] Agreed. [01:52] Now, I must be off. I have a UMA meeting to attend to :) [01:52] * cody-somerville waves. [01:52] o/ [02:00] * elky_work really wonders why that was so hard to do to begin with. [02:00] * mneptok knows [02:00] The factoid for sudo should reference gksudo for gui apps [02:00] it's because im australian, isnt it? :( [02:01] * elky_work pouts at mneptok [02:01] elky_work: no, it's because [IRC - drama = heat death] [02:01] hehe [02:02] ok, so the phrase doesnt work as well s/black/$anything_else/ [02:02] you sound like a McCain supporter .... [02:02] lol [02:03] (i think that's about their one reason that makes any sense, albeit evil and horrible) [02:03] it could be worse,i could sound like a ron paul supporter [02:03] not and keep a +o for long [02:03] yeah, hence why it'd be 'worse' [02:03] anyone feel like writing nice stuff on my wiki page if I go for membership? [02:04] JOIN THE REVOLUTION@!!!!11!!!!1!!1 HTTP://RONPAUL.MALWARE.RU!!11!1!!! [02:05] * cody-somerville licks mneptok. [02:06] * mneptok tastes of sweat and centipedes [02:13] jack, dont bother me [02:13] and nobody else either [02:13] thank you [02:16] gee, that guy must be drunk again [02:16] No... just trying to compile gnash [02:16] He was banned earlier by myrti and now over in Xubuntu [02:17] cody-somerville: you were not here earlier [02:17] this guy has two personalities [02:17] lol [02:17] A real piece of work [02:17] * cody-somerville was just making a funny. [02:17] elky_work: is that the "my roommate was drunk" guy? [02:17] yep [02:17] cody-somerville: it cant possibly be as funny as him [02:17] he needs no added funny [02:18] mneptok, that sounds homoerotic [02:18] cody-somerville: he's not that interesting. [02:18] cody-somerville: to summarise the earlier conversation... [2008-06-05 08:52:03] and of course the first thing you do after stepping in puke is to think about eating chinese food... [02:19] ,,, [02:19] * elky_work points to irclogs.ubuntu.com [02:22] oh and cody, avoid saying things like 'homoerotic' as trolls monitor our logs and make fuss over the use of such words. [02:23] just use "mansexilicious" [02:24] * elky_work thwaps mneptok, gibbs style. [02:25] besides, i think cody-somerville was using in the "all my porn looks the same" sense. [02:25] and you think this matters to trolls? [02:25] think != care [02:26] O:) [02:26] ha. not in this lifetime. [02:30] saying anything that can be taken differently out of context is a bad idea [02:31] * cody-somerville decides not to talk at all anymore. [02:31] we often consider this action ourselves. [02:34] * mneptok doesn't [02:34] although you all wish i would. [02:34] well... [02:34] you mind reader, you [02:34] :elky_work+: and of course the first thing you do after stepping in puke is to think about eating chinese food... [02:34] :elky_work+: we often consider this action ourselves. [02:34] rofl [02:35] mmmm .... General Tso's corn and peanuts. [02:35] elky_work: :D [02:36] * Seeker` looks round the channel and wonders which side of the bars we are on [02:38] that's pretty much it. [02:38] bars? [02:38] cody-somerville: like a zoo [02:38] ... or prison [02:39] of course, I am in no way comparing any of the people in this channel or #ubuntu to monkeys. [02:39] or criminals [02:40] * mneptok hurls poop and shrieks [02:41] mneptok: ... [02:42] I wish I was a member of the Swedish Royal Family [02:42] cody-somerville: why? [02:42] It looks so... mystical [02:44] In ubottu, cinimod25 said: hi is this better [03:12] what did you need, Seeker` ? [03:12] nalioth: I was wondering if you could send me a .tar.gz with the meetings added by mootbot at some point each day [03:12] is this about logs? [03:12] i can easily host them on my personal server [03:12] when i get dreamhost back ( i can see the light at the end of the tunnel now ) i can host them there w/o trouble [03:12] if you get dreamhost back soon, then thats fine [03:13] I was thinking that if it is going to take more than a few days I can try and get the logs out to the relevant people each day [03:13] but if there is light at the end of the tunnel, it can wait [03:15] there'd better be some light at the end of the tunnel. I've been emailing them regularly while my shell has been inaccessible [03:15] good luck [03:17] nalioth: is your stuff on the cluster that has been having issues lately? [03:17] Pici: no [03:18] my trouble stems from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys not working [03:18] Tis the only time I've seen load averages of 400 [03:18] In ubottu, BCM43 said: !eat is yum... electricity [03:38] !eat [03:38] Factoid eat not found [03:38] ... !eat is apt... electricity [03:38] :P [03:38] :P [03:41] Pretto: how can we help you? [03:41] Seeker`, i just became a new member, what do i have to do now to use @ubuntu? [03:41] I'm not too sure, elky_work ? [03:42] Seeker`, i mean, to use the email alias [03:43] Seeker`, the other thing is about how to join here https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers [03:45] anyone? [03:45] Pretto: Someone from your regional council needs to update the ubuntumembers lp group before anything else can happen [03:45] Pretto: I believe the email address gets setup automagically from that as well. [03:47] I just had my membership approved the other day and I was added to the LP group today. The email address isnt working just yet though. [03:57] Pici, thank you :) [05:05] you people are stupid [05:13] i think we can reinstitute that ban [06:43] oh dear [06:44] re what? [06:45] john [06:46] ah. yeah. [07:33] he's in #xubuntu, btw [07:33] acting nicely there [07:42] silly rabbits. [08:23] !pk [08:23] Factoid pk not found [08:45] pft. [08:46] /me chuckles at her backlog [08:58] * jussi01 got sick of it and paid 20¤ for a day of internet [08:59] awwww [09:01] Ill bill it to the company.... [09:52] would anyone by chance know if Bastien Nocera ircs? [09:55] someone probably does, but nobody here :Þ [09:56] /me notes he does [09:56] i haz a nick [09:57] a "child" of mine is having a fight with him at network-manager-dev mailing list [10:03] lol [10:04] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2008-June/msg00009.html vs. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2008-June/msg00013.html [10:06] it's o cute how these youngsters are certain that they know the best ^___^ [10:06] that's quite tame [10:07] yeah, but Antti is so worried that Bastien is going to lose his temper with him :-P [10:07] tiny toddlers :-D [10:08] hehe [10:46] quiet today... [10:47] if you're bored, I can go bonkers to cheer you up? [10:48] hehe [10:48] shouldnt we remove our friend fujisans ban in here now? [10:48] @btlogin [10:48] you think? [10:48] has it been that long? [10:48] yeah, surely its been long enough [10:49] its pre my bt [10:49] so yeah, I think its been long enough [10:49] it's from soon after release day, when he was being quite evil [10:49] as in, stalking and harrassing hobbsee and me. [10:49] ahh [10:50] elkbuntu: so what do you think, time to unban? [10:50] go ahead, id put money on him having a new identity by now [10:50] wasnt fujisan using a new name now ? [10:50] no idea [10:51] one sec [10:51] Mez, maybe only in Mezland [10:51] elkbuntu, I'm pretty sure that he does [10:52] Mez, not as far as anyone in elktopia (long story, dont ask) knows [10:52] Mez: you're mixing up Fujitsu (wgrant) and Fujisan? [10:52] Myrtti, ah there we go [10:52] :-D [10:53] that's exactly why wgrant changed his nick [10:53] poor wgrant, still cant escape the tarnish [10:53] It's confusing [10:53] * Mez tries rsyncing his music [10:53] yep [10:53] and still he gets pinged by a fujisan conversation... [10:53] :P [10:53] yeah [10:54] * jussi01 rsyncs Mez [10:55] this might take all day [10:56] 44KB/s - 14Gb... [10:56] /me hugs her mpd and icecast2 [10:56] * Mez tries to work that out [10:56] /me puts an icepack on Mez's head [11:02] ubottu: join #ubuntu-mobile [11:02] jussi01: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:02] silly bot [11:03] yeah [11:03] 414 hours. [11:03] :( [11:03] /me gives Mez her pink towel [11:03] o_O [11:03] * Mez steals [11:04] /me sighs, checks that she still has 4 pink towels left [11:04] hehe [11:04] * Mez gives it back [11:08] is there a reason why im syncing channels at different times seems almost like 5 channels per sync [11:12] gnomefreak, prolly the new fan-dangled services [11:13] more new things [11:13] elkbuntu: thanks [11:13] yeah. they're *great* [11:13] see, absolutely GREAT [11:13] whutthe [11:14] i could go on. [11:14] elkbuntu, having fun ? [11:14] Mez, sure am :D [11:24] now the "child" is weeping in my /query :-D [11:24] "bwaa Bastien is stupid" [11:28] crap [11:30] /me soaks her pink towel in nutrion goo [11:30] nutrition, even [11:32] Myrtti, and dont forget the BBQ sauce [11:34] Teriyaki [11:35] * Mez shuts up before he makes himself hungry [12:51] *sigh* [12:52] I haz candy. [12:52] :O [12:53] * Hobbsee steals candy, runs away [12:59] bazhang_: A dev on the sounder list said that we might see RC1 in -updates sometime next week [13:00] Pici, thanks :) [13:04] hi Pici [13:05] Pretto: Hi, how can we help you today? [13:05] Pici, i received an email saying that i joined ubuntu members, but the email alias is not working yet [13:06] Pretto: Neither is mine, I'm going to give it a few days. [13:06] has to be done automanually, could take a couple of weeks [13:06] Pretto: Us ops do not have any control over those sort of things. [13:06] Pici, ok, what about cloack? [13:07] Pretto: That, we can help you with [13:07] Pici, nice :) [13:07] Pretto: Whats your LP URL? [13:07] Pici: Pretto when you test it out, you need to do it with a non-gmail account. [13:07] if you do it with a gmail account, it won't work. [13:08] in the sense that it skips the inbox or...? [13:08] Hobbsee: You mean a gmail account can't send to itself or? [13:08] Pici: effectively, yeah. [13:08] Pici, https://launchpad.net/~laudeci [13:08] Pici: it treats it as spam, and doesn't even show it in junk, iirc. [13:08] Hobbsee, ok.. i tried using gmail :) [13:08] Pici: as in, so you get anyone elses, and everyone else gets yours, but you to your own gmail account, if that's where it fowrads to, won't work [13:09] PriceChild: ^ see Pretto [13:09] Hobbsee: Okay, good to know. [13:09] Pici, i saw.. hehhe.. i will try using another one instead [13:10] Pici, so, let's get back to cloack ;) [13:11] cloak [13:11] jrib, sorry :)0 [13:11] Pretto: PriceChild needs to set it up for you. I dont have that access. [13:11] I pinged him above [13:11] yup, they're not up yet [13:13] Hobbsee, email alias still not working i think [13:13] Pretto: correct [13:20] wow with the piracy talk [13:20] PriceChild, are you there? [13:58] EEEK THERE'S A BEE INSIDE [14:17] Pici, cloak working :) [14:17] Pretto: dont thank me, thank PriceChild [14:17] PriceChild, thank you :) [14:18] whoops, forgot to say done 8-) [14:20] PriceChild, i saw that you did when i received an email :) [14:31] morning [14:31] HI guys [14:55] POIT! [15:15] lo [15:16] Pretto: Anything else we can help you with today? [15:16] Pici, just waiting for email to work... but later i will try planet.ubuntu.com subscription [15:17] Pretto: you can wait in #ubuntu-irc too [15:17] Myrtti, is the a problem to be here? [15:18] we try to keep this channel clear of idlers so we know who is as way say, on the works [15:18] Myrtti, i mean, i do not have to be here? [15:18] you do not have to be here [15:18] Myrtti, ok. sorry [15:18] we can't do a thing for the email to work [15:18] I know I cant [15:18] We have no control over anything besides IRC [15:19] ok... thank you for you all anyway [15:19] Sure [15:41] ahh Pici your cloaked [15:41] ikonia: ahhhh [15:42] :) [15:42] You aren't even identified ;) [15:42] am I not ?? [15:42] noop. [15:42] rats [15:43] don't know what happened there [15:43] I was before I left [15:43] now I am [15:43] annoying freenode [15:55] Good afternoon. I was just approved as a member. I was told I could request an IRC Cloak from this channel. Is this correct? [15:55] no [15:55] :-D [15:55] Doh! [15:55] cgregan: you don't want a canonical cloak instead? [15:56] * Pici thought the docs said to ask in -irc anyway [15:56] ubuntu member cloak requests are handled in #ubuntu-irc [15:56] Hobbsee: and the Canonical cloaks are requested from...? [15:56] cgregan: here too [15:57] oh, they're in -irc. right [15:57] cgregan: all cloaks are requested in -irc, then :) [15:57] unaffiliated aren't [15:57] :-P [15:57] Thanks...sorry to interrupt [15:58] we need to have the membership board give out regular notices throughout the meeting to go to -irc to requrest these things [15:58] someone has replaced my fingers with sausages [15:58] as I make typos all the time [15:58] do they taste good? [15:59] actually they do, since I just had pizza. [15:59] Hobbsee: we don't give out canonical cloaks [15:59] PriceChild: then why do people from canonical have them? [15:59] Seeker`: actually I think that theres a miscommunication somewhere [15:59] Hobbsee: because a canonical group contact has given them? [16:00] who's the canonical GC? [16:01] I can't tell you that sorry. [16:01] but i'm sure if he works at canonical and asks around he can find out [16:01] gee, how helpful. [16:01] Myrtti: why? [16:02] because someone has told to atleast two people that the cloaks are requested here [16:02] Hobbsee: what do you want me to do? [16:04] hmm. changing cloaks are hopefully volountary :-P [16:04] PriceChild: either tell, so we can contact the guy, or contact the guy yourself, and tell him who the GC is, so you're being helpful, rather than further screwing users around. [16:05] that's what i would have expected someone on the council, who deals in irc all the time, to do. [16:05] Hobbsee: I'm not trying to be unhelpful.... we just don't give out information like that on other people. If he wants to be known to canonical employees, he would shout it out himself. [16:05] Hobbsee: (talking as freenode staff atm) [16:05] excuse me, but since when has it been our business to take care of Canonical staff member cloaks? [16:05] Myrtti: never [16:06] so that issue isn't even ours to deal [16:06] Myrtti: never, apparently, but saying "oh, we can't do it, and we won't be helpful enough to tell you what to do if you want one" isn't so crash hot either [16:06] * Hobbsee was under the impression that the ubuntu gcs were also the canonical gcs, seeing as they tend to deal in the same things, so clearly, i was wrong. [16:06] Hobbsee: TBH, that's not what you are doing. [16:06] Hobbsee: I have said, if he wants one, he should ask the canonical group contact... [16:06] Hobbsee: well unfortunately he left before PriceChild could explain the situation to him [16:07] Hobbsee: ubuntu isn't canonical... [16:07] Myrtti: as if he was going to give out the information anyway. [16:07] Nafallo: right. [16:08] you can't give out information you don't have :-) [16:09] Nafallo: i don't have it, sure. however, others... [16:10] Hobbsee: sure, and you would know the consignments of trust doesn't give them the authority to tell. :-) [16:10] if they would tell it would be wrong practice and they shouldn't have the position. [16:10] I would think he just doesnt want unnecessary attention to befall this person [16:11] atleast in Finland it's forbidden by law to have a data registry and giving out information from it without the consent of people signed up in it. I'm pretty sure Canonical doesn't want to give such information to outsiders, and even if they would, it wouldn't be Freenode staffs position to give them [16:11] Nafallo: because hiding everything, and being generally unhelpful is useful. yes. [16:11] Myrtti: then you'd better take any mentions of any ops off the wiki. [16:12] if you didn't get their signed consent. [16:12] Hobbsee: how about i start going around telling you private emails on people's nickserv registrations while i'm at it? :/ [16:12] you could. but how is that useful? [16:12] you might want to contact them? [16:12] there is irc. [16:12] Hobbsee: If I wouldn't want to have my name there, I'd ask the IRC council to remove it from there [16:12] STOP BICKERING [16:12] good call Pici [16:12] /me gives everyone a chocolate bar [16:12] Pici++ [16:13] munchmunch [16:13] to me, there's a big difference in saying "this is the person you want", and giving all their personal detail out [16:13] clearly not on the scale of freenode staffers. [16:13] Myrtti: ale is better. I have a vacation ;-) [16:14] I'm sure Canonical has it covered somewhere... :-) [16:14] Hobbsee: if we're going to give out a little information... then why don't we give out that little bit more... where does the line stop? [16:15] irc nick, which is generally public, is where i'd draw the line, tbh. [16:15] but i do not profess to be entangled in the ways of staffer thinking [16:17] canonical has internal wikis and things, i'm sure the gc could put their name up there somewhere if they wanted [16:22] * Hobbsee searches around on the wiki [16:26] bah. useless wiki. [16:29] Hobbsee, to be fair - Pricechild is right - it'd be like me looking up who the technical contact for the forums are... [16:31] Mez: maybe. [16:32] Mez: my bigger problem is, when there are degrees of secrecy that are understood, where freenode is keeping the secrets, they don't respect it the other way. [16:32] no, it would be the same for a staff member to do that. [16:32] Hobbsee, yeah - we all know the issues... but - that's not PriceChild's fault... HE plays by the rules. [16:33] he does? hmm [16:33] Hobbsee, as far as I'm aware yes. [16:35] mnep-tok's earlier comment--> irc -drama = heat death :) [16:42] just so people are aware: Regarding canonical cloaks. If someone comes here requesting one - please send them to #canonical-sysadmin, or get them to speak to James Troup (elmo) [16:43] Mez ♥ [16:43] /me hides [16:44] Mez: thankyou for the helpful information. [16:44] Also, I looked through the Ubuntu wiki, and didnt see any references of #ubuntu-ops that had to do with cloaks. [16:45] Only #ubuntu-irc [16:45] so clearly someone somewhere has mistaken [16:45] @schedule [16:45] Myrtti: Schedule for Etc/UTC: 05 Jun 20:00: Security Team | 07 Jun 21:00: Marketing Team | 09 Jun 10:30: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam | 10 Jun 11:00: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 11 Jun 06:00: Platform Team | 11 Jun 17:00: QA Team [16:45] Hobbsee, I know where to poke in the right place [16:46] I wonder from which membership council meeting those people have come from [16:46] it would be easier to track down the person with false information that way [16:46] Myrtti: i'd guess the americas [16:46] Myrtti: cgregan is likely to have come from there. [16:48] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-americas/+members [16:48]