[00:06] <RAOF> !xrandr
[08:45] <pwnguin> man, not really a good time to upgrade
[08:49] <RAOF> Heh.  What broke now?
[08:49] <RAOF> pwnguin: ?
[08:52] <pwnguin> debconf?
[08:52] <RAOF> No, you just need to upgrade findutils :)
[08:53] <RAOF> A second round of full-upgrade should result in magical unicorns.
[08:53] <pwnguin> ?
[08:53] <pwnguin> i didnt even have findutils installed
[08:54] <pwnguin> but it does appear to fix whatever troubles
[08:54] <RAOF> Yeah.
[08:55] <RAOF> Do you have a cryptroot setup?  If so, does it work? :)
[08:55] <pwnguin> i do not
[08:55] <pwnguin> im sorry, you'll have to ford that river yourself :P
[08:56] <pwnguin> i like the changelog to findutils
[08:56] <RAOF> I haven't seen it.  Edited highlights?
[08:56] <pwnguin> findutils (4.4.0-2ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low
[08:56] <pwnguin>   * No-change rebuild. Last Friday, xargs suddenly broke for no apparent
[08:56] <pwnguin>     reason, and equally mystically a local build works again.
[08:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, new gnome-volume-control looks nice... except for the rather too large buttons on the bottom.
[08:57] <RAOF> pwnguin: That's *awesome*!
[08:57] <pwnguin> its exactly what i saw though
[08:59] <pwnguin> installing debconf choked on xargs assertion errors
[08:59] <RAOF> Yup.
[08:59] <DanaG> xaargs, matey.
[08:59] <DanaG> Sounds like something a pirate would say.
[08:59] <RAOF> And then mystically works again :)
[09:00] <pwnguin> well
[09:00] <pwnguin> at least the net didnt break halfway through upgrade
[09:00] <RAOF> Always a winner.
[09:03] <DanaG> Or HAL... while you happen to be on battery.
[09:03] <pwnguin> well
[09:03] <pwnguin> upgrade on battery is your own damn fauilt
[09:03] <DanaG> Easy to avoid: don't upgrade while on battery.
[09:03] <DanaG> Yup.
[09:04] <DanaG> It doesn't "break" -- it just stops working until I reboot.
[09:04] <pwnguin> its like copy to ntfs on battery. dont
[09:04] <pwnguin> its gonna take longer to upgrade than i have battery anyways
[09:04] <DanaG> And don't use the same partition in both a VM and native... or at least, don't use others on the same drive.
[09:04] <DanaG> I somehow royally screwed up my NTFS partition, to where it seemed like all was lost.
[09:05] <DanaG> I had an old backup, but I had some new media files I didn't want to lose.... and had conveniently just given to a friend.
[09:05] <DanaG> But anyway, I ran TestDisk on a whim, and found: it can magically recover files from evenly royally screwed up NTFS.
[09:05] <DanaG> er
[09:05] <DanaG> even royally
[09:06] <DanaG> 'p' to list files, and 'c' to copy to current directory -- but you have to 'cd' to the place you want the files to go, first.
[09:07] <DanaG> That's a factoid idea: !testdisk:  http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[09:08] <pwnguin> maybe if you keep repeating yourself
[09:08] <pwnguin> someone will care ;)
[09:10] <DanaG> That utility has saved my data sooooo many times.
[09:10] <DanaG> And I've also told others about it.
[09:12] <DanaG> http://lwn.net/Articles/284113/
[09:12] <DanaG> random.
[09:13] <pwnguin> well im glad someone's paying him to fix laptops
[09:14] <DanaG> Who?
[09:14] <pwnguin> what?
[09:14] <pwnguin> mjg got hired by redhat
[09:14] <DanaG> Aah.
[09:14] <pwnguin> + * Copyright (C) 2008 Red Hat <mjg@redhat.com>
[09:15] <pwnguin> do we have any idea whether flashplayer 10 will be out of beta by october?
[09:16] <pwnguin> man. the ubuntu laptop team is on life support
[09:20] <DanaG> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-06/msg01927.html
[09:22] <pwnguin> i have to ask -- is there a theme here?
[09:22] <DanaG> Stuff for HP business laptops.
[09:22] <DanaG> Accelerometer and such.
[09:23] <pwnguin> sure. everything's getting better all the time
[09:24] <pwnguin> do you own an HP or something?
[09:24] <DanaG> I hope those things will be in-tree somewhere along the Intrepid development cycle.
[09:24] <DanaG> I'll be getting a new laptop in the summer, and I've essentially decided on one of them.
[09:24] <DanaG> ... or the successor, as it may be.
[09:30] <pwnguin> ok, what's a capplet?
[09:34] <DanaG> control panel applet?
[09:34] <DanaG> Maybe.
[09:36] <pwnguin> well you called it capplet
[09:37] <pwnguin> its apparently a configuration applet
[09:42] <RAOF> DanaG: You know, you can set that factoid yourself? !testdisk is <reply>stuff goes here :)
[09:43] <DanaG> Aah.  I figured there might be permissions I'd need.
[09:43] <RAOF> Nope.  Say that, then head into #ubuntu-ops to get someone to ack it.
[09:44] <DanaG> !testdisk is http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[09:46] <DanaG> I'm actually going to go to bed now.
[09:46] <DanaG> Fri Jun  6 01:46:04 PDT 2008
[09:51] <pwnguin> if you guys like the compiz stuff
[09:51] <pwnguin> ive got a neat one for ya
[09:52] <pwnguin> somoene finally addded the new colorfilters
[09:58] <DanaG> How about trails and atlantis2?  Are those in -unsupported package?
[09:59] <pwnguin> well crap
[09:59] <pwnguin> if you go to colorfilter in CCSM, what controls which filters show up?
[10:00] <pwnguin> 9
[10:01] <DanaG> Something odd: the first filter selected is "cumulative" or something like that.
[10:01] <DanaG> It applies ALL of them, in god-only-knows what order.
[10:04] <pwnguin> ?
[10:04] <pwnguin> no
[10:04] <pwnguin> i meant, theres a directory full of filters
[10:04] <pwnguin> which ones get displayed, i just discovered, is part of an xml file
[10:18] <pwnguin> well, thanks for the help RAOF
[10:18] <pwnguin> time to wreak havoc on others
[10:22] <RAOF> Heh
[11:26] <hyperair_> does anybody know where smart-notifier comes from?
[11:26] <hyperair_> as in official site or anything?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> hyperair_: please ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic as this channle is for intrepid only and since its barely usable most people shoulnt be using it.
[11:59] <hyperair_> ah. i see
[11:59] <hyperair_> okay
[13:32] <mnemo> how do I upgrade to intrepid?
[13:33] <BUGabundo_work> mnemo: from a console, run:
[13:33] <BUGabundo_work> update-manager -d
[13:33] <BUGabundo_work> but be warned: it is still not even ALPHA
[13:34] <mnemo> hmm, I tried that before and it said "update-manager not installed" ... so I installed it and then tried and then it just shows "no updates" in the gui
[13:34] <BUGabundo_work> I'm waiting until the 12th, when the 1st alpha is expected
[13:34] <mnemo> hmm ok
[13:34] <elkbuntu> mnemo, read the /topic before you do
[13:34] <mnemo> i've read it, also my system is already broken it seems
[13:34] <BUGabundo_work> if you don't have/had update-manager installed, then your system is in no good state.
[13:35] <mvo> i would not upgrade quite yet, chances are very high that during the upgrade a problem with libc6/findutils will happen and maintianer script crashes, better bootstrap a chroot for now
[13:36] <mnemo> ok, I'll wait a month or so then :)
[13:36] <BUGabundo_work> eheh, ok mnemo
[13:37] <mnemo> is there any command I can use to revert all my packages back to hardy? because i've been beta testing various bug fixes and upstream graphics drivers so I think myself is very dirty right now
[13:37] <BUGabundo_work> mvo I downloaded 8.04.1 from cdimage last week, but right now I can't find a current iso, that I can rsync and do a chroot!
[13:37] <BUGabundo_work> how can I do that?
[13:38] <mvo> install debootstrap from hardy-backports, that can do one. maybe pbuilder if you are interessted in development
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> not that much mvo
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> just trying out and filling bugs
[15:47] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know of an user-friendly image cropping tool ?
[20:44] <linux1> evening ppl
[20:47] <Luckrider> good afternoon linux1
[20:55] <DanaG> Heh, I'm running "john the ripper" on my own shadow file, and I'm expecting it won't find it quickly.
[20:56] <DanaG> It's alphanumeric, but it has some obscure things in it.
[20:56] <DanaG> And 10 characters.
[21:40] <askand> Hello, I saw that specifications for intrepid must be finalized at 5 june, where are those?