| calc | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/broadcom-co-founder-allegedly-spiked-tech-execs-drinks-had-wa/ <- interesting | 01:28 |
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| calc | maybe that's how they managed to convince companies to use their crappy wireless chips | 01:29 |
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| ion_ | Ooh, new commits! :-) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~felix-feyertag/apt-sync/main | 03:49 |
| pwnguin | oh dear lord | 03:51 |
| pwnguin | does apt-sync actually work? | 03:54 |
| ion_ | I don’t know about the current state of the code, but the theory is solid. | 03:55 |
| pwnguin | what theory? | 03:55 |
| ion_ | Use old version as a basis and zsync the new one over it. | 03:55 |
| pwnguin | hmm | 03:56 |
| pwnguin | how the hell does zsync handle compression? | 03:56 |
| ion_ | The same way rsync does. | 03:56 |
| pwnguin | terribly? | 03:57 |
| ion_ | man gzip, see --rsyncable | 03:57 |
| ion_ | Not really. | 03:57 |
| pwnguin | in my tests, rsync didn't make out well on .debs | 03:58 |
| wgrant | pwnguin: They're already compressed, so of course not. | 04:00 |
| wgrant | Oh, like that. | 04:00 |
| ion_ | They were probably compressed without --rsyncable, and additionally, apt-sync does something like storing the offsets of the tarballs within debs in the Packages file and handle the tarballs separately, repacking them to a .deb after syncing AFAIK. | 04:00 |
| wgrant | I see. | 04:00 |
| pwnguin | wgrant: if they're --rsyncable compressed it's okay. i was under the impression that it was no more than a patch not in gzip | 04:00 |
| pwnguin | i mean, the challenge is getting the repos to support the compression hit | 04:02 |
| ion_ | Now that i think of it, i don’t see how handling the tarballs separately would actually help. I just think i’ve seen a discussion like that somewhere (apt-sync spec? Ubuntu wiki page? I don’t remember). | 04:03 |
| ion_ | How big is the repo? | 04:03 |
| pwnguin | i asked the mirrors guys once | 04:03 |
| wgrant | The entire Ubuntu repo of all supported archs and series? | 04:03 |
| pwnguin | with or without .isos? | 04:03 |
| ion_ | wgrant: Yeah | 04:03 |
| pwnguin | 250GB | 04:04 |
| wgrant | Is that including ports? | 04:04 |
| pwnguin | donno | 04:05 |
| ion_ | If the overhead is as much as 1%, it would be just 2.5 GiB. I bet the mirror ownerd would be delighted with the huge bandwidth savings. | 04:05 |
| ion_ | s | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: xchat doesn't have such a feature turned on by deafult. | 04:08 |
| pwnguin | i really dont understand why the apt-sync spec doesn't ask for re compressed archives | 04:13 |
| pwnguin | oh right, because even if it was rsync amenable, there's the CPU contention | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I know it's not on by default, but it's easily turned on. I was suggesting nuking it completely. | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: i wish... | 05:58 |
| ion_ | Nuking what? | 05:58 |
| pwnguin | ion_: /me is away: blah | 06:01 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:03 |
| pwnguin | Mithrandir: if you're on a rampage, how about universal greetings? | 06:04 |
| pwnguin | or rather, broadcast greetings :) | 06:04 |
| ion_ | pwnguin: Such ”functionality” should be killed indeed. :-) | 06:10 |
| ion_ | Hi dholbach | 06:10 |
| dholbach | hi ion_ | 06:10 |
| Mithrandir | pwnguin: they bother me less. | 06:33 |
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| dholbach | thekorn, pitti: thanks a lot for the fixed py-lp-bugs | 06:50 |
| ion_ | Is there *still* no REST API or equivalent for launchpad? :-) | 06:55 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, is it just for me opening the "appearance" (gnome-appearance-properties) control panel applet eats 100% cpu? | 07:45 |
| Mithrandir | (in hardy) | 07:45 |
| ogra | not here | 07:45 |
| ogra | any special theme you use ? | 07:46 |
| Mithrandir | human | 07:46 |
| ogra | same here | 07:46 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 08:00 |
| * thekorn hugs dholbach, you are welcome | 08:02 | |
| ShashankSingh | hi ,, everyone ,,, i have a ubuntu 6.0.6 dapper ,, how can i get qt 4.4 or 4.3 without updating my system,, i thinking of compiling it but are there any repo arounf which could provide it ,,thanks for help :) | 09:54 |
| RAOF | ShashankSingh: You'll need to build from source; the only other option would be if qt 4.4 was in the dapper-backports repository, but that's quite unlikely I think. | 09:55 |
| RAOF | Also, not really a question about the development of Ubuntu, and hence off topic :). | 09:55 |
| ShashankSingh | sorry for that:) | 09:55 |
| dholbach | hey giskard | 10:19 |
| tkamppeter | I want to set up a Debian package repository, from where one can download and update via apt-get. Someone knows any HOWTO or so where I can see how to arrange the packages on the server and how to index them? | 11:03 |
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| tkamppeter | [Resending, server connection seemed to be broken] I want to set up a Debian package repository, from where one can download and update via apt-get. Someone knows any HOWTO or so where I can see how to arrange the packages on the server and how to index them? | 11:06 |
| wgrant | tkamppeter: If you want to do it for Ubuntu, you could use Launchpad's PPA service. Otherwise, there are quite a few options. | 11:07 |
| tkamppeter | wgrant, I want to do it on the OpenPrinting server, to provide LSB-based printer driver packages for Debian and Ubuntu. If a printer manufacturer uploads an LSB RPM a script should alienize it and then index it for apt-get. | 11:09 |
| wgrant | That sounds like pure evil. | 11:10 |
| tkamppeter | wgrant, needed for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/printerdriverautodownload and https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/jockey-printer-driver-support | 11:10 |
| wgrant | Publishing alienised debs? | 11:10 |
| tkamppeter | wgrant, these are LSB packages, designed for being alienised | 11:10 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 11:11 |
| tkamppeter | The intention of the LSB is to provide distro-independent packages. | 11:11 |
| wgrant | Well, I don't have much experience with running my own proper repository - I normally only need a couple of packages so run dpkg-scan* myself. | 11:11 |
| ion_ | Also, falcon ftw. | 11:12 |
| wgrant | falcon works. | 11:13 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, we all know that LSB clean software distribution by ISVs is a dream... | 11:15 |
| \sh | even when we are working hard on it... | 11:15 |
| tkamppeter | \sh, let us not discuss whether LSB packages make sense or not, but rather tell me how to arrange .debs on a server and how to get them indexed. Is it simply running dpkg-scanpackages? | 11:17 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, like a.u.c. or just simple ones? | 11:18 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepository e.g. simple ones | 11:18 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, debian/ubuntu style ones with pool dir etc. http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/apt-ftparchive.html | 11:19 |
| Riddell | pitti: so archive day today, any chance of those MIRs? | 11:33 |
| tkamppeter | \sh, thank you very much for the links. | 11:34 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, were they helping? the apt-ftparchive thing is a bit theoretical with no real practical example... | 11:34 |
| \sh | tkamppeter, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization <- there is an example of how to use it (for tweaking the alternate cd, but you get the idea of apt-ftparchive) | 11:37 |
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| neil_d | tkamppeter: hi, I have been directed you way, I have developed some scripts that create a CUPS printer that emails as a pdf what ever was printed. How do I publish this so others can use/modify ? | 12:27 |
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| frafu | Hello, Anybody knows who added the ESC option to the automatic fsck at startup? I would like to ask him whether he could expand to also watch for mousetweaks to stop the fsch. In fact, pointer only users (that usually work with a software keyboard that is not available at that stage) don't have a way to stop it. | 12:51 |
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| ion_ | mvo: It was nice to notice some new commits in ff’s apt-sync branch. :-) It would be really nice to have apt-sync in intrepid. | 13:43 |
| mvo | indeed | 13:45 |
| ion_ | mvo: Do you think it would be possible to decide the final format for any apt-sync related changes to the archive and try to implement them for archive.u.c before the client side is “ready”? Adventurous people could begin testing apt-sync easily just by installing the development version and using their usual mirror, and when the client side gets mature enough, the mirrors would be ready for it. | 13:52 |
| Kano | hi, whats the correct way to shutdown a running X in live mode? | 13:55 |
| Kano | gdm stop does not work | 13:55 |
| mvo | ion_: I wanted to setup a test repo on people:~mvo - but haven't managed yet | 13:56 |
| tormod | Kano: if you're running 8.04 Desktop live, there is no correct way (there's a bug report). sudo killall gdm | 14:17 |
| Kano | tormod: i thought that, well i made a workaround in my install script | 14:25 |
| Kano | but it does not work correclty with killall gdm | 14:31 |
| Kano | the only way to restart it is for a short time doing killall Xorg | 14:32 |
| norsetto_ | mvo: am I wrong, or recommends are also now installed by default in intrepid? | 14:34 |
| mvo | norsetto_: you are right, they are | 14:35 |
| norsetto_ | mvo: ok, thanks | 14:35 |
| * RainCT wonders about what program you are talking | 14:36 | |
| mvo | all of them | 14:37 |
| Kano | tormod: is there a way to run an external script which is on the cd during startup? | 14:38 |
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| tormod | Kano: there are no hooks for it, you'll have to patch the initrd.gz | 14:55 |
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| tormod | Kano: or you (ab)use the OEM hooks | 15:12 |
| Kano | good idea, what is executed then | 15:12 |
| tormod | you've gotta check. if you're interested I made a small patch for casper in the initrd to run extra hooks from the cd, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/OpenExpo/2007-Bern/USBStick | 15:13 |
| tkamppeter | I want to convert RPM packages to Debian with alien on my server. The server is amd64 and it converts amd64 packages happily, but it does not convert i386 package. Do I need one server for each platfor to offer a multi-platform repository? | 15:34 |
| Silicium_ | hi there | 15:36 |
| Silicium_ | iam searching for a postgresql maintainer | 15:36 |
| Festor | tkamppeter, rpm 32 bits -> deb 32 bits ; rpm 64 bits -> deb 64bits | 15:37 |
| Festor | tkamppeter, rpm 32 bits =! deb 64 bits ; rpm 32 bits =! deb 64bits | 15:38 |
| Festor | or rpm 32 bits =! deb 32 bits and deb 64 bits | 15:38 |
| tkamppeter | Festor, I have both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of each RPM and I simply want to make a 32-bit deb from each 32-bit RPM and a 64-bit deb from each 64-bit RPM. Only the generation of the 64-bit debs works. | 15:39 |
| joaopinto | tkamppeter, and please make sure your target audience is aware you are providing alien(ed) packages | 15:39 |
| Festor | O.S. 32 bits only use 32 bit packages | 15:41 |
| Festor | But O.S. 64bits maybe use 32 and 64 bits packages | 15:41 |
| emgent | morning | 15:44 |
| tkamppeter | I want to provide Debian packages for as many architectures as possible (RPMs I have for each architecture) but I have only a 64-bit PC server. I do not want to install or run the packages on the server. Users should download them. | 15:45 |
| tkamppeter | The packages are distro-independent LSB packages, designed to be alienised. | 15:46 |
| ScottK | tkamppeter: If you want to provide Debian packages, I'd suggest making Debian packages and not depending on a tool to do it for you. | 15:46 |
| Festor | Packages converted by alien do not have the same quality as the originals | 15:46 |
| joaopinto | tkamppeter,you will probably need to setup a 32bits schroot for the 32bits alien | 15:47 |
| sistpoty|work | bryce: do you happen to know where the int10 stuff, that tries to access the vesa bios can be found in xorg? | 15:50 |
| sistpoty|work | bryce: never mind, found it already :) | 15:56 |
| winkshark1122 | hello | 16:58 |
| BenC | pitti: So I think I'm understanding things better now...this proposal of yours is in conjunction with linux-meta, not replacing it | 17:24 |
| BenC | pitti: but it probably means we can reduce the number of packages needed in linux-meta | 17:25 |
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| ion_ | Get:22 http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe nexuiz-data 2.4.2-1 [338MB] | 18:11 |
| ion_ | Now i wouldn’t mind apt-sync. ;-) | 18:12 |
| ion_ | mvo: Btw, couldn’t the pdiff functionality be just used as is until we get the full apt-sync? I take it it doesn’t require huge changes at the archives? | 18:24 |
| geser | ion_: isn't pdiff only diffs for the Packages files? | 18:27 |
| ion_ | geser: Yes | 18:28 |
| ion_ | They are relatively huge, and it would be nice to update quite often when running the development version of Ubuntu. | 18:28 |
| geser | ion_: iirc from the last discussion that because Ubuntu updates the Package files hourly we would need to many pdiffs to make it usable | 18:30 |
| ion_ | Ok. :-\ | 18:30 |
| mvo | ion_: it could, but the archive u.c.c changes too often | 18:32 |
| ion_ | I wonder why Debian didn’t go with zsync? | 18:32 |
| ion_ | Was it not available/mature enough back then? | 18:32 |
| mvo | pdiff were implemented quite some time ago, I'm not sure if zsync was around then | 18:33 |
| mvo | and pdiffs are relatively simple to implemnt | 18:33 |
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| sistpoty | tkamppeter: do I understand the PrinterDriverAutodownload spec right, that some app will download a .deb from openprinting and install it? | 20:07 |
| impulze | http://www.flickr.com/photos/27373994@N02/2554310312/sizes/o/ | 20:07 |
| impulze | :O | 20:07 |
| gsker | I'm having trouble getting preseed to answer a question during install. It's starting to look like a bug. | 20:07 |
| gsker | Any preseed experts around? | 20:08 |
| sistpoty | tkamppeter: if so, (and I've just seen there are GPL'd drivers up there), can I after such a .deb was installed do apt-get source <nameofdriver> and get the source package? | 20:11 |
| sistpoty | (as it's otherwise a GPL violation) | 20:11 |
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| mouz | I tried to introduce a (fake) dependency by expanding the Depends: entry in debian/control. I compiled using pbuilder. The package I added is not in the pbuilder cache (nor anywhere else on my system). I expected pbuilder to retrieve it, but that did not happen. How come? Does something somewhere understand there is no real dependency? | 22:30 |
| ion_ | pbuilder only installs build-deps. #ubuntu-motu is better for that area of questions. | 22:31 |
| ion_ | Assuming you’re learning to package stuff. | 22:32 |
| mouz | ion_: yes. thnx | 22:32 |
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