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idefinehas anyone actually deployed this on a phone yet?02:00
persiaidefine: It's not really targeted to phones.02:03
persiaMore handhelds02:03
persiaThink 4-6" laptops, tablets, etc.02:03
vadi2How can I dsiable the "VMX root mode"?02:07
persiavadi2: Hmm.  Maybe that came with kvm.  You might be able to aptitude purge bridge-utils vgabios kvm qemu, but I'm not 100% sure.02:12
persiaAnd waiting 5 minutes for an answer gives me time to check the rdepends :)02:12
idefinepersia: ah, thanks!02:16
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dholbachgood morning06:04
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loologra: Funny, I didn't get the bug this way, perhaps it's different in the intrepid branch of u-v-b10:02
ograwell, i did get it following the wikipage but utting LANG=C infront of the simple builder command10:03
ogramy build system had de_DE though10:03
ograits not really critical and a corner cae anyway10:04
ogra*case10:04
ograin case of MID it just makes the moblin-media stack fail which doesnt seem to be a good idea 10:04
ogra(that might be better to fix in moblin-media itself probably)10:05
ograoh, and i dont use intrepid, its all hardy 10:07
shakara1hi10:07
shakara1i got a error in Ubuntu Mobile when i install10:08
ogralool, more important is that mvo fixes hardy-full.list to get the right url in10:08
looldavmor2: I'm not sure we want to change font sizes at this point10:08
shakara1$ ./ubuntu.kvm 10:08
shakara1open /dev/kvm: No such file or directory10:08
shakara1Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support10:08
shakara1Ubuntu does not support running KVM without hardware acceleration. Sorry.10:08
shakara1$ glxinfo | grep direct10:08
shakara1direct rendering: Yes10:08
looldavmor2: It would require retesting of everything I would guess10:08
loolshakara1: This is not the same type of hardware acceleration10:08
loolshakara1: glxinfo reports about your graphics card10:09
loolshakara1: KVM is based on CPU level instructions10:09
shakara1@lool then how to fix it?10:09
loologra: Where's this fix?10:09
loolshakara1: You could try with qemu instead of kvm10:09
shakara1@lool: ok i will try10:10
ogralool, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEinstall i added it to the instructions for now10:10
loologra: thanks10:10
ogrased -s -i 's/ubuntu /ubuntu-ports /' hardy-full.list 10:10
ograshakara1, kvm is essentially something your CPU needs to have HW support for, you can test if your CPU does with:10:11
ograegrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo10:11
ograif that return nothing, you cant use kvm and need to go with qemu10:11
ogra*returns10:12
shakara1ogra: umn, return nothing10:12
ogralool, that should probably be on the wiki as well10:12
suihkulokkiyou might need to do modprobe kvm-intel / modprobe kvm-amd10:12
shakara1where put qemu? exits a how to?10:12
loologra: where does that hardy-full come from?10:12
ogralool, lp:~mvo/ubuntu-mobile/simple-image-builder ships it10:13
loolah..10:13
ograso we need mvo for fixing i guess10:13
shakara1$ sudo modprobe kvm-intel10:13
shakara1[sudo] password for shakaran: 10:13
shakara1FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported10:13
ograshakara1, well, if the egrep command didnt return anything you CPU cant do kvm10:14
ograno need to try it further10:14
ogra(unles you start soldering around in your CPU core :) )10:14
loolshakara1: Just pass it as argument to simple-mobile-builder10:14
loolsimple-mobile-builder qemu hardy10:14
shakara1$ ./ubuntu.kvm simple-mobile-builder qemu hardy ??10:15
ogralool, the .list files should go into a bzr branch btw, currently you need to install MIC just for getting the sources.list files from it10:15
loologra: I think I made that optional10:15
ograshakara1, copy and paste: sudo ./simple-mobile-builder qemu hardy --sources /usr/share/pdk/platforms/menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa/sources/hardy.list --sources /usr/share/pdk/platforms/menlow-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa/sources/um-ppa-hardy.list --sources $(pwd)/hardy-full.list10:16
loolif [ -n "$PLATFORM" ] || [ -n "$FSET" ]; then10:16
lool    if ! which image-creator >/dev/null; then10:16
lool        log_c "You need moblin-image-creator for --platform and --fsets"10:16
loolIt's only required if you want to use these concepts10:16
shakara1mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/shakaran/simple-image-builder/ubuntu-vm-hardy-lpia': File exists10:17
shakara1Error creating directory /home/shakaran/simple-image-builder/ubuntu-vm-hardy-lpia. Unable to proceed.10:17
shakara1`PKGS' borrado10:17
shakara1`SOURCES' borrado10:17
ograah, i might have missed the massage, it doesnt stop if it doesnt find the lists but just goes on and builds a broken image10:17
loologra: But I don't like adding that hardy-full; I don't think it should be there10:17
ograshakara1, delete the dir (ubuntu-vm-hardy-lpia)10:17
ograoh, it was in the instructions before10:17
ograi think davmor2 added it10:17
loologra: It doesn't stop?10:17
ogranope10:18
loollog_c() { log "C:" "$@" exit 110:18
ograit just went on and left me with an image 100% built from the standard archive10:18
loolBut you passed --platform or --fset?10:18
ograwhich was an odd image indeed10:18
ograi used https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEinstall10:18
ograit only adds --sources10:18
loolArgh10:19
loolIt should simply set --platform instead of looking up MIC files10:19
ograi fixed that site along the way trying to get a usable image10:19
shakara1@ogra: downloading...10:19
loolI spend half a day implementing the dump functionality in MIC10:19
ogragah10:19
loolThere are bugs in this mode though, and I didn't have time to fix htem10:20
ograthe simple-mobile-builder comand was like that since the begining of the page though, i just added the $(pwd) to the hardy-full.list in the end10:20
loolI'm sorry, I don't have time to look at this today10:20
shakara1There is a chance to try Ubuntu Mobile on a PDA HTC P3600?10:20
shakara1or only in PC?10:21
ograwell, i can make a testbuild with --platform, if that works i'll update the wiki10:21
ogralool, what are valid values for platform ? 10:25
davmor2sorry guys been racing around like a headless chicken.10:26
davmor2lool: currently most of the stuff in the kvm image and on the jax10 don't work because the small font size is too large.10:27
davmor2orga: thanks for adding that to the wiki I must of missed your request for it sorry10:27
ograpersia pushed for it so people dont get broken images :)10:28
loologra: see mic --list-platforms10:29
davmor2lool: on the bigger size machines like the q1 the font in use is the large fonts anyway10:29
ogralool, thanks10:29
loolimage-creator -c list-platforms10:29
ogra+sudo :)10:30
loolNo10:30
loolAt least, not if you have a fixed image-creator10:30
loolI fixed that requirement for root in an Ubuntu pach10:31
lool*patch10:31
loolIt's in the ppa version and intrepid version10:31
shakara1@loll: There is a chance to try Ubuntu Mobile on a PDA HTC P3600?10:34
shakara1any help?10:38
davmor2lool: did you get the thing about gpe-filemanager?10:40
shakara1how install Ubuntu Mobile on a PDA?10:41
looldavmor2: the thing?10:44
davmor2shakara1: it's not ready for pda yet10:44
davmor2lool: hang on I'll get the bug10:44
davmor2https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/+bug/23533810:45
looldavmor2: Switching to pcmanfm?10:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 235338 in ubuntu-mobile "File manager is cutting through the icons" [Medium,Confirmed] 10:45
davmor2lool: that was cgregan suggestion to the issue mine was to remove the top bar with go in.10:46
ogralool, ++10:46
shakara1davmor2: ok, Some approximate date when Ubuntu Mobile will be ready for PDA?10:46
davmor2No idea10:47
ogra<-- big fan of pcmanfm10:47
shakara1QEMU is slow10:47
shakara1$ ./ubuntu.qemu 10:47
shakara1Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such file or directory10:47
davmor2shakara1: it isn't designed for pda it is designed for mids someone might port it at some point though.10:48
davmor2shakara1: daft question but what are you running this on?10:48
ograhum10:49
* ogra doesnt get s-m-b to do anything at all 10:49
ogranot even with a new MIC from intrepid10:49
davmor2ogra: big hammer time you know it makes sense :)10:50
shakara1davmor2: I am running Music Player in Ubuntu Mobile10:50
ograwell, setting set -ex in the script i see it doesnt get beyond setting TEMP ... thats very weird10:51
lool" the zephyr xserver" arf10:51
loolhttp://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8446435808.html10:51
davmor2shakara1: no sorry what hardware are you trying to run kvm on10:52
ograheh10:52
shakara1Mi computer is a laptop with ATI and processor of 1.86 GHZ 10:53
davmor2what processor10:53
shakara1In Ubuntu Mobile if you press in Battery Icon, then it restart Ubuntu Mobile???10:53
ograyour vm has no battery ... it might crash10:54
davmor2shakara1: that's because there is no battery on the virtual machine it's know10:54
davmor2shakara1: what processor is it?10:54
shakara1davmor2:Intel Pentium M processor 1.86 GHz10:55
davmor2shakara1: and you've tried installing kvm and become a group member of kvm?10:56
shakara1Should detected that my KVM has no battery and display a message not to crash. That would be more useful.10:56
shakara1Yes, I add in Groups an User, my user in kvm group10:57
shakara1because the wiki said10:57
davmor2shakara1: it's designed for really hardware though and not vms on the hardware it is powered by batteries10:57
davmor2shakara1: right and did you restart your machine at that point?10:57
shakara1no, i not restart my machine10:58
shakara1it should be restart?10:58
davmor2that will enable the settings to change so yes10:59
shakara1oks, i will restart10:59
davmor2shakara1: I just realised it's not on the wiki so I've added it11:00
shakara1it is normal that keyboard it shift to right in the last row?11:00
shakara1The keys left, right and below are displaced.11:01
Celph_TitledHi11:40
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Bert_2Hi, what's the default password of a standard KVM UME system ?17:57
ograubuntu17:57
ograindeed :)17:57
Bert_2ogra: okey, thanks :D17:58
Bert_2BTW, to all contributors and developers: UME is very very nice, when I buy my eeepc I'm surely going to install it ;)17:58
Celph_TitledLittle question, UME is the base project for NBR, right ?18:15
Celph_TitledWill NBR be available for devices such as eeepc 4G ?18:16
tripzeroCelph_Titled: i would think so (eeepc question)18:31
tripzeroNBR uses some of the base tech from UME18:31
tripzeroi believe it uses matchbox, and a similar panel18:31
tripzeroI don't think it uses hildon, but I could be wrong18:32
Celph_TitledNewbie here. Matchbox ? hildon ?18:36
tripzeromatchbox window manager18:38
tripzerohildon is the toolkit that the gui elements use18:38
tripzeromatchbox wm is what makes the apps always fullscreen18:39
Celph_TitledOk18:42
Celph_TitledThanks.18:43
Celph_TitledI think I'll install Ubuntu (currently I'm running Xubuntu on the eee) and then install the GUI components of netbook remix18:44
Celph_TitledLast question, UME could run on the eepc or is it made "only" for atom based machines ?18:45
tripzeromany of the builds have drivers specific to the target devices18:47
tripzeroother than that, it should run... in theory18:47
Celph_TitledM'kay18:48
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ogra-umeoof, not easy to type on that screen kbd19:11
davmor2ogra-ume: it would be on a touch screen :)19:28
ograwell, my lappie has one :)19:28
ogratook me half the day to get the vbox guest drivers running on lpia though ... but now the touchscreen gets reached through directly19:29
ograso in fullscreen mode i have an MID with a 10cm frame :)19:29
ogra-umetrying two fingers isnt rea;ly bettwer19:34
ogra-umelool: i cant open urls in pidgin, is that known ? 20:00
loologra-ume: Not to me; there was a recent change for gnome-www-browser support, could you check how it's setup ATM?20:01
ogra-umemanual and nothing in the command field20:01
loologra-ume: Sounds like a broken upgrade / removal20:01
loologra-ume: grep the maintainer scripts perhaps20:02
ogra-umewell, its a fresh image, i didnt play with any settings yet20:02
ogra-umewill do20:02
persialool: No, it's been that way for a while, at least since UDS.  I just forgot about it.20:02
loolgnome-www-browser - status is auto.20:06
loolhere20:06
lool link currently points to /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko20:06
lool/usr/bin/firefox - priority 7020:06
lool(doh)20:06
ogra-umei wonder why midbrowser doesnt just register www-browser though20:07
ogra-umeerr20:07
ogra-umex-www-browser20:07
loolIt's hard to tell where the limit is between gnome-ish and not gnome-ish stuff20:08
ogra-umewell, its one line in postinst and guarantees that non gnome apps have a system browser20:08
loolOh it should do all of them, I agree20:09
ogra-umeright20:09
loolYou said "just register" these, so I thought you wanted to exclude gnome-w-b20:10
ogra-umenah :)20:10
ogra-umehmm, the matchbox-keyboard in extended mode has way bigger and easier to press buttons20:12
mterrylool, ogra-ume: LP #223891 for the x-www-browser stuff20:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 223891 in ubuntu-mobile "Claws Mail - Help apps are non-functional" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22389120:29
ogragreat :)20:30
mterryI'm trying to figure out why a file got lost in a package, but can't find when it happened...  moblin-settings-daemon in git has (and has had for a long time) the file moblin-settings-sound.c.  But the file isn't in UME builds (it was in .61 but not in .66).  But I can't see a changelog entry referencing it20:33
ogradoesnt the git history show it ? 20:38
probonohi all, how is ubuntu-netbook-remix related to ubuntu-mobile?20:54
probonohildon seems not to be in the ubuntu-netbook-remix20:55
persiaprobono: ubuntu-netbook-remix is a remix of Ubuntu, containing some commonality with each of Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Mobile.20:58
probonoso ubuntu mobile and netbook are somewhat like parallel projects?20:59
persiaprobono: Something like that.  It's not quite that well defined.21:02
persiaUbuntu Mobile is a flavour of Ubuntu, like Ubuntu Desktop or Kubuntu Desktop21:03
persiaUbuntu-Netbook-Remix is a Remix of Ubuntu, something like Mint or Fluxbuntu21:03
probonoah, thanks. that clears it up21:03
persiaThere's been talk of creating a NetBook flavour, but nothing committed to the repos yet.21:04
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m-cWhy does the project wiki say the N800/N810 has proprietary parts?  Does it refer to hardware parts?  If so, what is a proprietary part, and how does it differ from most other undocumented computer parts?21:54
m-cTo my knowledge, the N800/N810 uses open source software, except for the graphics and wifi, which is also the case for the majority of personal computers.  It is an otherwise very open system.21:55
persiam-c: Fairly open, but not as open as required for inclusion in Ubuntu main.  the graphics and some of the drivers (e.g. wifi) are some of the parts that aren't.21:58
m-cYou are going to find closed drivers for all usa-produced wifi devices.  The FCC mandates manufactures take measures to prevent the radio devices from being used outside the specifications.22:00
suihkulokkigraphics is open on N800/N810, wifi is closed22:01
persiaEven better.22:02
m-cThe Maemo (distro running on those devices) has a very strong developer community.  It would be wise to try and build bridges there.22:02
m-cWould anyone here be upset if I removed the "proprietary parts" statement on that page?22:05
m-cthanks22:08
ian_brasilm-c: have a look at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/033234.html22:15
ian_brasildsme & mce, and the battery management are all closed22:18
ian_brasiland the  WLAN module and FW too are closed22:18
ian_brasilthere is some discussion that Nokia provides one person whose sole task is to support the22:20
ian_brasilcommunity by mantaining the closed code and providing new binaries that22:20
ian_brasillink against recent libraries.22:20
m-cHow are you using the term 'closed' when you are talking about these devices?  Do you mean the hardware does not have an open specification?  Or do you mean Maemo requires a closed binary driver?22:22
ian_brasilclosed binary drivers but also that in order to do proper low level kernel development, one22:23
ian_brasilneeds also measuring tool and special boards that allow for precise22:23
ian_brasilmeasuring of what the sw is doing. Nobody in the community has such22:23
ian_brasilsetup,22:23
ian_brasilso there is a dependency on some Nokia support22:24
ian_brasilhaving said this there are projects such as Mamona 22:24
ian_brasilwhich are creating a totally open system based on OE22:24
m-cWell, I have no disagreement that nokia keeps maemo under close ties, like sun's linux projects, however, slighting another mobile distribution on the primary wiki over open / closed software does not seem friendly for potential developers.  Especially when the wifi drivers here will also likely be closed, because of the same restrictions.22:26
ian_brasili don't think it is a case of this...there is a lot of synergy between maemo and ubuntu communities [Full Disclosure: I work for Nokia]22:29
ian_brasiland the guy who wrote that i am certain did not intend it to be seen in this way22:30
m-cWell, feel free to revert the changes, if I am incorrect about my facts or you think the information was otherwise helpful.22:31
ian_brasilm-c: OK, lets keep working on the synergies between the communities as well :)22:33
persiam-c: Looking at the wiki edit, I think the previous state was more about the N800 HW being proprietary, rather than the software.22:36
ogra-umehrm ... midbrowser about dialog doesnt close22:38
m-cThat's how it seemed to me, too, and proprietary hardware is an ambiguous term.  Are there any open hardware solutions?22:38
persiaogra-ume: There's a close button at about 540 vertical pixels.22:40
ogra-umewell, how do i get there on a 480px screen ? 22:40
persiaogra-ume: Well, that's the tricky bit.  Try pressing Enter or Escape.22:41
ogra-umelets see22:41
ogra-umeyeah, that helped22:42
persiaIt closes, but the mechanism is decidedly non-obvious.22:42
ogra-umeth eodd bit is that i instinctively pushed the WM closebutton22:42
ogra-umewhich applied to the browser automatically22:42
ogra-umeso i was left with the about win only22:43
ogra-umehmm22:48
ogra-umethats intresting, if i pull my power on teh laptop, i get a gnome-power-manager icon additionally to the battery thats already there in the panel22:49
ogra-ume(virtualbox hands the unplug through to the ume VM it seems...)22:50
* ogra-ume checks the powermanager config22:50
ogra-umeoh, you cant disable the icon completely22:51
ogra-umehmm, thats bad22:52
persiaOn the other hand, plugging and unplugging didn't do that at UDS: at that point it was just the battery icon.22:52
ogra-umeyeah, thats what its doing actually22:52
ogra-umebut it results in two batteries22:53
persiaExcept that I just replicated the extra icon appearance on my HW.  It now hides the brightness and volume tools when it is unplugged (which is odd, as this ought be the default state)22:53
ogra-umeth elowest level you can set g-p-m to is critical, but that means it will still show on critical battery22:54
persiaAh.  I don't think I ever got to critical battery.22:54
ogra-umeah, there is a gconf key called never that isnt exposed in the UI22:58
ogra-ume /apps/gnome-power-manager/ui/icon_policy never22:59
ogra-umethat will avoid it23:00
* ogra-ume wonders how he's supposed to get rid of the alarmclock once that hogs the panel23:07

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