[00:00] <shelbyscates> i want to set up my ssh authorized keys and i also want to install a gui if im in a tight spot with the command line
[00:00] <shelbyscates> well, its my first time here,.. sorry
[00:01] <shelbyscates> so could someone help me 1. install a little gui, or 2. help me set up my ssh authorized keys?
[00:01] <kirkland> shelbyscates: 2) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AdvancedOpenSSH
[00:02] <kirkland> shelbyscates: 1) do you want a full graphical interface, like the Ubuntu Desktop?  or something lighter weight?
[00:02] <shelbyscates> thanks a ton mate :)
[00:02] <shelbyscates> well, im thinking fluxbox or xfce
[00:02] <shelbyscates> i have plenty of power, but nobody ever complianed about speed.
[00:02] <kirkland> shelbyscates: you might find this documentation search useful, http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[00:03] <kirkland> shelbyscates: apt-cache search fluxbox
[00:03] <kirkland> shelbyscates: apt-cache search xfce4
[00:03] <kirkland> shelbyscates: that'll show you the packages available
[00:03] <kirkland> shelbyscates: you can install fluxbox by "apt-get install fluxbox"
[00:04] <shelbyscates> oh, ok
[00:04] <shelbyscates> so after i install it, how do i start it?
[00:07] <kirkland> shelbyscates: reboot, and it should start right up
[00:07] <shelbyscates> so after i install xfce  how do i start it?
[00:07] <kirkland> shelbyscates: otherwise, "startx" maybe?
[00:07] <shelbyscates> oh thanks
[00:07] <kirkland> shelbyscates: startx usually starts the xwindow system
[00:07] <shelbyscates> yup it does
[00:07] <kirkland> shelbyscates: i haven't used xfce in that manner in a while, though
[00:08] <shelbyscates> so also, if it does start right up, how do i get back to my friendly command line?
[00:12] <shelbyscates> oh, could i install ubuntu-desktop on top of my server gui and boot server or desktopp fom the command line?
[00:12] <shelbyscates> and if i installed ubuntu desktop would i be able to manage my server with the gui?
[00:16] <shelbyscates> and one more thing
[00:16] <erichammond> shelbyscates: Sure, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[00:17] <shelbyscates> im setting up ssh, and when i try to ssh into my server from my laptop, it always redirects to my old server even though i have everything configured correctly
[00:17] <shelbyscates> thanks erichammond :D
[00:23] <shelbyscates> nevermmind on the ssh question, it was my router :D
[00:23] <shelbyscates> thanks all of you guys! :)
[00:24] <shelbyscates> ( i hope thanking isnt looked down upon ) ;)
[00:47] <mesaynaysayer> ok yet another one
[00:47] <mesaynaysayer> i just installed ubuntu server and i need to know start to finish how to get a working mail server set up
[00:47] <mesaynaysayer> and running) lol
[00:59] <erichammond> mesaynaysayer: TMTOWTDI but perhaps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[01:08] <mesaynaysayer> hey guys i installed ubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu server, and now theres no way to get my command line back, plz help :(
[01:08] <mesaynaysayer> oh wait i have an idea
[01:47] <slimjim8094> mesaynaysayer
[01:48] <slimjim8094> i'll try and give you a hand
[01:48] <slimjim8094> mesaynaysayer - you there?
[01:57] <mesaynaysayer> thats ok, i got iut thanks :)
[01:57] <mesaynaysayer> you guys are awesome :)
[01:58] <mesaynaysayer> i got wmii working great, and now im ready :)
[01:58] <mesaynaysayer> i must say, you guys really did a good job!
[01:58] <mesaynaysayer> you all deserver a high five :D
[01:58] <mesaynaysayer> XD deserver - wonder whats on my mind :P
[02:00] <mesaynaysayer> but you guys really did a great job with making ubuntu and helping everyone else :)
[02:00] <mesaynaysayer> id be really lost without you :)
[02:52] <slimjim8094> hey - is anybody a dns genius here?
[02:52] <slimjim8094> i'm at my wit's end
[02:53] <slimjim8094> bind9 + dhcp-server - want to do dynamic dns updates so my dynamically-assigned hostnames are in DNS
[02:53] <slimjim8094> no errors, it just doesn't work
[02:54] <slimjim8094> keep getting a NXDOMAIN
[03:40] <mesaynaysayer> hey, could anyone help me set up my mail server?
[03:40] <mesaynaysayer> sorry,im a n00b
[03:53] <erichammond> mesaynaysayer: Gotta run, but perhaps the "Email Services" section here has relevant info: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[03:53] <erichammond> mesaynaysayer: (I'm a Postfix fan)
[03:53] <mesaynaysayer> ok i got it :D
[03:53] <mesaynaysayer> thanks so much
[03:53] <mesaynaysayer> can someone tell me how to use "mail" lol XD
[04:03] <mesaynaysayer> when you type mail in the com,mand line, does it bring up postfix?
[04:03] <malakhi> as in typing the command 'mail' ?
[04:34] <bimberi> mesaynaysayer: no, you need to install 'mailx' to get the mail command
[04:59] <mesaynaysayer> well, for some reason my mailbox works and i can send and recieve mail
[04:59] <mesaynaysayer> but i have no idea how to write a message when i enter the command 'mail'
[05:00] <mesaynaysayer> it brings up something and it lists messages i can send to myself
[05:00] <mesaynaysayer> but i dont know how to reply :(
[05:05] <owh> mesaynaysayer: "man mail" will give you all the answers. Alternatively install another mail client, like elm for example.
[05:08] <lamont> mesaynaysayer: postfix is a mail transport, not a mail user agent.  mailx, elm, mutt, thunderbird, evolution, etc are mail user agents
[05:09] <mesaynaysayer> oh ok
[05:10] <mesaynaysayer> well, sorry to be such a n00b, but all i know is that when i type mail it gives me a usage and it'd sure be nifty to know how to use it ;)
[05:10] <mesaynaysayer> oh, thanks owh :)
[05:15] <owh> I'm needing to implement a google search for a team mailing list on the team wiki page, but I'm unsure how best to achieve that in such a way that I get an input box and a search button, rather than just a link to a google page. Any suggestions where I might ask this question?
[05:16] <ajmitch> can that be done on the wiki we use?
[05:16]  * ajmitch imagines that the doc team or related groups may know best
[05:17]  * owh asks in #ubuntu-doc :)
[05:21] <nealmcb> !mta | mesaynaysayer:
[05:21] <nealmcb> !mailserver
[05:22] <nealmcb> !mua
[05:22] <owh> !factoids
[05:22]  * nealmcb lol
[05:22] <owh> That was useful :)
[05:23] <nealmcb> !help
[05:24] <nealmcb> blah blah blah
[05:24] <ajmitch> !nealmcb
[05:24] <ajmitch> how unfortunate
[05:24]  * nealmcb is insulted
[05:24]  * nealmcb is not a bot!
[05:24] <ajmitch> I'm sure we can get that changed
[05:24] <nealmcb> :)
[05:25] <nealmcb> the singularity is near!
[05:25] <owh> ubottu: nealmcb is a semi humorous individual.
[05:25] <nealmcb> lol
[05:25] <nealmcb> lo
[05:25] <dr_dasos> i'm a bit new to this aspect of computing, but if i wanted tocreate LAMP servers for my friends, i would have 1 base computer running ubuntu server + vmware server, and create a master image based off jeos, and just load them up each time, correct?
[05:25] <owh> Hmm, that was forwarded to ubuntu-ops :-|
[05:26] <nealmcb> dr_dasos: we prefer kvm, and it is faster and easier to build with ubuntu-vm-builder
[05:26] <nealmcb> but otherwise, sure - have a go at it
[05:26] <nealmcb> !kvm
[05:26] <nealmcb> oh dear....
[05:26] <nealmcb> !virtualization
[05:26] <nealmcb> !qemu
[05:27] <dr_dasos> hmm, kvm? i'm barely familiar with vmware as it is =P  but could you give me a quick point or two on why kvm over vmware?
[05:28] <owh> dr_dasos: Because vmware is not yet supported under hardy and kvm is Ubuntu's virtualisation tool of choice at this time.
[05:28] <nealmcb> ubottu: kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu.  For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[05:28] <dr_dasos> cool, thanks for the links, gonna read up on it
[05:29]  * owh wonders how to tell ubot*u how to forget the new factoid about nealmcb
[05:30] <ajmitch> heh
[05:30] <nealmcb> owh: well, ubottu ignored it, and the folks in #ubuntu-ops will probably ignore it also, and demote you from all Ubuntu responsibilities at the same time
[05:30] <nealmcb> :)
[05:30] <ajmitch> cast out into the outer darkness & all
[05:30] <owh> nealmcb: Excellent, will that leave me more hours in my day?
[05:30] <nealmcb> and we'll all end up in front of the CC in no time
[05:30] <nealmcb> :)
[05:31] <ajmitch> hat in hands, pleading our case?
[05:31] <owh> CC?
[05:31] <nealmcb> community council
[05:31] <owh> Ah
[05:31]  * owh goes to fetch an Acubra.
[05:31] <owh> (For holding in hand.)
[05:32] <ScottK> It's pretty well established they won't actually do anything.  I shouldn't worry to much.
[05:32] <dr_dasos> quick question already, for kvm do i need certain capability in my hardware, or is that something it will automatically detect and optimize for?
[05:32] <owh> ScottK: The CC or the ops :)
[05:32] <dr_dasos> because i think both amd and intel have on chip virtualization these days
[05:32] <nealmcb> dr_dasos: you need the bits as described in that help page
[05:32] <ScottK> owh: CC.
[05:32] <ScottK> Ops are inconsistent.
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[05:33] <nealmcb> or you can use qemu, but it is much slower, but that may not matter for a simple web server
[05:33] <lamont> owh: interesting... I'm running vmware on hardy..
[05:33] <owh> lamont: How did you do that?
[05:33] <lamont> then again "works" is slightly different from "supported"
[05:33] <lamont> owh: how do you mean?
[05:33]  * owh gets ready to wrestle the keys from lamont.
[05:33] <nealmcb> the ops have been very helpful to me when I do mean to add factoids to ubottu
[05:34] <owh> lamont: Well, did you package it, use an existing package, or install from source?
[05:34] <lamont> or was that another one of those where I had to fix a build failure in vmware-config.pl...
[05:34] <lamont> source tarball from vmware
[05:34] <lamont> 6.0.3
[05:34] <owh> Yuk
[05:34] <lamont> and it quite possibly has a diff
[05:34]  * owh wants apt-get support or nothing :)
[05:34] <lamont> owh: it's how I've installed it since vmware 2.
[05:35] <owh> lamont: Fair enough. I've been using it since Workstation 3.2, but installing from source is not my favorite activity.
[05:36] <owh> lamont: The installer leaves crap everywhere.
[05:37] <nealmcb> ubottu: virtualization is <reply> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !kvm is the preferred approach in Ubuntu.  See also !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[05:38] <lamont> owh: well, I do admit that I drop things into /usr/bin, rather than /usr/local/bin :-)
[05:38]  * owh shudders
[05:38] <lamont> it made my life easer for the 20 minutes that there were debs in ubuntu
[05:38] <owh> ROTFL
[05:39]  * owh hasn't yet transitioned from Gutsy because of VMware and also not migrated to kvm yet.
[05:40] <lamont> sadly, my primary use of vmware is a windoze XP instance
[05:41] <lamont> and I cannot adequately express how much that pains and offends me.
[05:42] <nealmcb> lamont: what is the critical app/use case?
[05:42] <lamont> nealmcb: quickbooks.
[05:42] <lamont> and the singular critical decision factor that overrides any other app?  "my accountant uses quickbooks"
[05:43] <nealmcb> lamont: so let me guess - your association with Ubuntu and Canonical leads you to need financial accounting software that leads you to Windows?
[05:43] <owh> lamont: Funny you should say that, for me it's WinNT and MYOB.
[05:43] <lamont> so, baring a linux port of quickbooks?  windoze+quickbooks/windoze
[05:43] <nealmcb> Macos?
[05:43] <ScottK> nealmcb: The ops have a widely varying definition of what consitutes abusive behavior.  The predominate view seems to vary significantly from mine.
[05:43] <lamont> nealmcb: heh
[05:44] <lamont> doing some small business books (which goes back 10 years) leads me to needing financial software
[05:44] <ScottK> lamont: I pretty stunning amount of stuff that never worked on WINE before works now (in Hardy).  It might be worth a try.
[05:44] <owh> lamont: Same here.
[05:44]  * ScottK had iTunes 7 working for a while.
[05:44]  * owh cannot get the data out of MYOB.
[05:44]  * ajmitch thankfully doesn't deal with that stuff
[05:44]  * owh confesses that choosing MYOB was the worst business decision ever made.
[05:45] <ScottK> dendrobates: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-flavors
[05:45] <lamont> ScottK: hrm...  OTOH, finances + hackish software reimplementing the code that redmond tested into existance in the first place?  maybe not so much.
[05:45] <ScottK> iTunes 7 is a critical use case for my teenagers
[05:45] <ajmitch> owh: I've only briefly seen it, is it that bad?
[05:45] <owh> lamont: You mean, worse than the abomination that is GNUcash?
[05:46] <owh> ajmitch: The software was written by accountants and uses a single file database of some or other format.
[05:46] <owh> ajmitch: Do I need to tell you more?
[05:48] <ajmitch> the first part was enough
[05:48] <owh> ajmitch: That's why I mentioned it :)
[05:48] <nealmcb> soren, sommer: note a few quick shots at virtualization factoids for ubottu above.  we should do a more comprehensive job though...
[05:51]  * owh wanders off to feed face.
[05:52] <lamont> owh: runing my finances under wine is something I figure I might do on (1) test data, or (2) when intuit tells me that's their linux support strategyu
[05:52] <lamont> quickbooks is actually pretty good, as far as accounting software goes.
[05:52] <lamont> remember that the primary objective of accounting software is to keep your accountant happy.
[05:53] <lamont> because happy accountants spend less time on your books, and therefore charge you less money.
[05:58]  * ScottK thought the primary purpose of accountants was to haul off my box of receipts and invoices and turn it into sensible reports to the government.
[05:59] <lamont> ScottK: that's another approach..  it costs more.
[05:59] <lamont> I generally pay for 1-2 hours of accountant time at tax time
[06:00]  * ScottK pays more
[06:05] <lamont> of course, the vmware engine does come in handy for tossing ubuntu isos at, as well
[06:05] <lamont> the fan on the 1U test box is a bit noisy, you see...
[06:06]  * lamont never heard of MYOB
[06:06] <lamont> generally, for small business finance, the only question is "Quickbooks, or PeachTree?"
[06:07] <owh> lamont: In Oz, it's MYOB or QuickBooks.
[06:07] <lamont> ok
[06:07]  * nealmcb finds an old, unpatched, vulnerable webmin 1.170 on a machine at a local nonprofit....   wonders if proper packaging with security updates would be better than ignoring these things....
[06:07] <ajmitch> same for NZ, naturally
[06:07]  * owh initially started running the business with FileMaker and Excel.
[06:08] <owh> ajmitch: Dunno.
[06:08] <owh> nealmcb: No, packaging just gives you the feeling of security :)
[06:08] <lamont> nealmcb: it's webmin... is it even possible to package it properly, other than with a trashbag?
[06:08] <nealmcb> somebody else to blame....
[06:09] <lamont> kewl.  bandwidth quota numbers integrated into cricket.  win
[06:09] <owh> lamont: You could package it using /dev/null as the target ;)
[06:09] <lamont> owh:  device files are not allowed in the archive as debs....
[06:09] <owh> lamont: Hmm, shame really :)
[06:10] <nealmcb> lamont: we're looking for current webmin issues that are architectural flaws, not bugs.  but they are hard to find.  telling the world to become savvy command-line sysadmins doesn't fit well with the ubuntu mission....  same with ebox, etc....
[06:10] <lamont> *** glibc detected *** /usr/games/kobodl: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x082d11f0 ***
[06:10] <lamont> kobodelux FTW!
[06:10] <dr_dasos> cool, thanks for all theinfo guys, it seems that kvm is the way i will go, just to make sure, there's no way to use kvm with windows as the host os, correct?
[06:10] <lamont> nealmcb: yeah
[06:11] <lamont> OTOH, administering a machine without acquiring clue is also fraught with peril
[06:11] <nealmcb> well, looking for architectural flaws that are bad enough to refuse to package and suffer the consequences....  plain old architectural flaws are a dime a dozen :)
[06:11] <owh> lamont: It's happening more every day. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. We should have learnt that with PageMaker and a LaserWriter :)
[06:11] <nealmcb> so is walking across the street
[06:12] <nealmcb> our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to make common things easy and safe
[06:12] <lamont> owh: it happens.  the only question is whether it's better to enable them, or discourage them.  the mission statement makes the answer crystal clear.
[06:12] <lamont> hence the pain of trying to implement clue in the gui
[06:12] <nealmcb> :)
[06:13] <owh> nealmcb: You do realise that this is really Mission Impossible don't you? Just because you make a wrapper around a complex process doesn't mean that you are actually making common things easy and safe. Think for example, a company that can easily and safely install MySQL and run a Tb of data. Then they find out there is no backup.
[06:13] <thatguyisjames> ok. i got my ubuntu-server setup. i have ssh, samba, and LAMP... now i just want to learn about servers and stuff.. im picking up pretty quick... qestion is .. what can i make my server do that will help me.. or serve me with anything
[06:14] <owh> ROTFL
[06:14] <thatguyisjames> sersly .. like i have no use for this.. execpt learning purposes.. but whats next...
[06:15] <thatguyisjames> i have a hand full of webpages hosted ... and i setup apache to host my home dir... and samba to share directorys..
[06:15] <thatguyisjames> and im doing this all trew remote login in x-term .. with ssh
[06:15] <dr_dasos> i dunno, check and make sure it works fine as a file/print server for the rest of you network, give small hosting accounts to friends and have them screw it up and start fixing it
[06:15] <owh> thatguyisjames: Just because my ROTFL came after your question doesn't mean I was laughing at you. In case of fact, we were just discussing your exact type of scenario and I laughed out loud because you illustrated my point exactly.
[06:15] <nealmcb> thatguyisjames: it really depends on what sorts of things you want to do....
[06:16] <thatguyisjames> see i get that you need a a problem ..befor you can come up with a solution...
[06:16] <thatguyisjames> and as of right now... im trying to make a solution... when there realy isnt a problem... i just want to learn more about servers and how they work..
[06:17] <thatguyisjames> thats somthing im intrested in .. the log in trew xdrm isnt it.. or w/e its called.. where you log on to a remote acount ...
[06:17] <nealmcb> thatguyisjames: in that case, make it redundant and scalable :)
[06:18] <thatguyisjames> lol ... i do happen to have 3 older dells laying in the garage ...that are perfect for that.. they even fit on a rack perfect!
[06:20] <dr_dasos> and get them to turn off and turn on based on whatever criteria you need, 4 computers chugging can eat up a lot of watts
[06:21] <nealmcb> thatguyisjames: then implement virtualization to aggregate them into one machine at night, and make soren happy
[06:23] <thatguyisjames> ok... soo.. i need to run what command.... sudo nano /etc/imposable.conf ?
[06:23] <dr_dasos> what's the process called where VMs are handed between computers
[06:23] <thatguyisjames> i mean edit what file*
[06:23] <nealmcb> dr_dasos: migration
[06:23] <thatguyisjames> i say im a noob to servers .. and your talking clusters... gaaa...
[06:24] <dr_dasos> sounds interesting, though i guess mentally i can't see how it can be migrated seamlessly
[06:24] <dr_dasos> those VMs can get kinda big
[06:24] <nealmcb> thatguyisjames: you've established that you learn quickly, but can't decide what practical benefit you want to acheive, so this is the obvious direction to lead you in.  some day you'll get a boss who will pay you to tell you what to do....
[06:25] <nealmcb> :)
[06:26] <thatguyisjames> so ill tell myself what to do ?
[06:26] <thatguyisjames> and ill get money.. for telling myself what to do
[06:28]  * lamont declares bedtime
[06:28] <lamont> g'night y'a;;
[06:28] <lamont> y'all, to
[06:28] <lamont> o
[07:25] <spiekey> Morning
[07:25] <mesaynaysayer> hey guys i have an ubuntu mail server and i can recieve messages but not send them what do i do to be able to send messages?
[07:26] <mesaynaysayer> im using mutt on wmii
[07:26] <mesaynaysayer> ubuntu server hardy
[07:26] <mesaynaysayer> just the default mail server
[07:42] <spiekey> does anyone know a ubutnu admin service you can pay for? :)
[07:44] <bimberi> Canonical!  Let me find the link...
[07:44] <\sh> spiekey, ubuntu admin service?
[07:44] <bimberi> spiekey: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[07:44] <\sh> you need sysadmins?
[07:45]  * \sh should reopen his business 
[07:45]  * bimberi drafts his commission claim ;p
[07:45] <\sh> bimberi, this is not admin service...it's support ;)
[07:46] <bimberi> \sh ssssh!
[07:59] <spiekey> we need some help with confixx, php, apache, etc...
[07:59] <spiekey> so its not really that ubuntu specific
[08:00] <kraut> moin
[08:01] <spiekey> moin moin
[08:07] <spiekey> so, yes. We need some sysadmin knowhow :)
[08:08] <\sh> oh jehova...da confixx
[08:09] <\sh> solution: just delete it, pay some bucks for a guy who knows his job ;)
[08:09] <\sh> ah german ;)
[08:09] <\sh> 1&1 ?
[08:09] <spiekey> no :)
[08:09] <\sh> strato?
[08:09] <\sh> hetzner?
[08:09] <spiekey> no :)
[08:10] <\sh> don't tell me you bought the crap
[08:10] <spiekey> well, right now we pay ~110€/Month for Manageing, Backups and the hardware
[08:10] <spiekey> find a admin for that!
[08:10] <spiekey> i bet once its set up it does not take much care though...
[08:11] <\sh> spiekey, you talk about confixx...I had a couple of customers who had this...one update.and nothing worked again
[08:11] <spiekey> hehe, yes. sounds like confixx :P
[08:11] <\sh> in the past...confixx had the worst sechole ever...added a mysql user, with bash shell but no password, just because confixx wanted this
[08:12] <spiekey> we dont really care...we just want a confixx like interface for the end customer.
[08:12] <\sh> most of the 1&1 server housing park had to be updated and before that they were all vulnerable
[08:12] <spiekey> if we move away from confixx we would also need some export/import solution :)
[08:13] <spiekey> thats why i asked for confixx
[08:14] <\sh> spiekey, i think you should try this forum for rootserver in .de ... I think you find some people dealing with this confixx crap...and some of them are cheap too
[08:15] <spiekey> okay, thanks
[08:16] <\sh> spiekey, but beware...you can't trust people you pay only a couple of bucks...when you have to pay 150€/h it's ok.. or around 600 to 750€/day excl. mwst...and a good freelancing contract..then you get quality...below that...don't trust those people..
[08:17] <spiekey> year, thats something wich gives me a headace :)
[08:17] <spiekey> gotta go, be back in a while
[08:17] <\sh> normal prices for freelancing sysadmins in .de
[08:18] <\sh> and that's even cheap :)
[08:39] <Kapli> Does the ubuntu server cd come with a desktop or do i have to install it manually after installation?
[08:43] <Nephelauxetic> since the latestes openssh server updates X11 forwarding is slow. does anyone know why and what to do?
[08:45] <\sh> Kapli, as server implies, no desktop for -server flavour
[09:18] <Nephelauxetic> ssh -X is slow. xhost/telnet with DISPLAY set not. Who knows a solution?
[09:23] <_ruben> get faster hardware? encryption requires more power than plain X
[09:25] <Nephelauxetic> that's not the problem
[09:25] <Nephelauxetic> it use to be very fast on even older machines
[09:26] <Nephelauxetic> also compression is not the problem
[09:26] <Nephelauxetic> it was fast in gutsy but is slow in hardy
[09:26] <_ruben> its not a server specific problem either most likely
[09:26] <Nephelauxetic> it was fast in debian etch but after some updates it go slow
[09:27] <Nephelauxetic> you think it's the ssh client?
[09:27] <Nephelauxetic> I doubt because I tried different verions of openssh and  sun's ssh client
[09:27] <_ruben> no, i think its not an ubuntu-server problem
[09:27] <_ruben> since X isnt an ubuntu-server feature
[09:27] <Nephelauxetic> so where to discuss openssh-server?
[09:28] <Nephelauxetic> it's not an X server problem. it's an ssh server problem
[11:14] <Rommy02> Hello all, I'm trying to install Ubuntu-Server on a pc with no cdrom, and my only option seems to be a USB thumbdrive I have (2gigs). However, When i try to write the ubuntu-server iso to the disk using dd if=/dev/sdb of=/path/to/ubuntu-server-image.iso bs=512 it seems to produce an unbootable usb drive... is there some other step i'm missing? Thanks.
[11:15] <InsomniaCity> yeah - that won't work afaik
[11:15] <InsomniaCity> you'll need to have a look for instructions on producing a bootable USB drive
[11:16] <Rommy02> Ok, so my next approach would be to get a bootable usb drive, and then use another one to store the actual files for the install and run it like that then eh?
[11:17] <primski> e
[11:17] <primski> or sry, wrong paste :p got link, just a sec
[11:18] <primski> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[11:18] <primski> check the isotostick.sh script section, very easy
[11:18] <primski> just run the script and it will make ur usb key bootable, and extract the iso on it
[11:19] <Rommy02> cool - thanks primski
[11:19] <primski> np
[11:51] <Rommy02> Well, I've gotten the usb thumb drive to boot properly, according to this guide I now need to boot the thumb drive (sda1) as the cdrom. It has me going about this in a rather roundabout way ... (linking /dev/sda1 to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0) however, when I mount this with the format I specified when making it (ext2) i get no such device ...
[11:51] <Rommy02> is there some way I can verify what this drive is showing up as besides dmesg? (because that shows sda)
[11:57] <primski> mounting? where? if you mount, upon reboot, those get lost
[11:57] <primski> you need to set up in your bios to boot from usb, should it support it
[11:57] <Rommy02> well, i ran the setup, and it got to the phase where it's looking for the cdrom and fails
[11:57] <primski> aha
[11:57] <primski> oh
[11:58] <primski> i think the fs on usb is fat16, try that instead of ext2
[11:58] <primski> or do a fdisk -l to see what fs its
[11:58] <Rommy02> well, when i formatted the usb disk, i did specify ext2
[11:58] <primski> aha
[11:59] <Rommy02> i wasnt sure how to format it in dos as fat16, heh
[11:59] <primski> hm, dont know really, i used my SD card with that and it worked ouf of the box
[11:59] <Rommy02> err, in linux, rather
[11:59] <primski> i though that script makes fat automaticly
[11:59] <primski> well, sry, no more ideas :s
[12:00] <Rommy02> ah, well thanks for your help so far, i'll see what i can drudge up
[12:00] <primski> np and good luck
[12:00] <Rommy02> worst case scenario i stick with my faithful slackware =)
[12:00] <primski> :d
[12:00] <primski> does your bios support net boot ?
[12:00] <Rommy02> if it does .. i haven't found the option for it, and it doesnt happen automatically ...
[12:00] <Rommy02> I actually have a PXEboot already setup for slack ...
[12:01] <primski> hm, there arent many options left yes, if it doenst
[12:02] <Rommy02> i'll try it again as fat16 - i just found the format command for that partition type
[12:02] <primski> grat, gl
[12:02] <primski> great*
[12:07] <Rommy02> i do get 1 error when running the script that i'm not sure what it means yet though, cp: cannot stat /media/cdtmp.b20990/casper: no such file or directory
[12:07] <Rommy02> i'm reading the script to see what it does ..
[12:11] <cjsstables> ikonia:  good morning
[12:34] <Rommy02> well, i think i've spotted the problem, the usb drive has a hidden partition that is being mounted as the cd, and i havent found a way around it =/
[12:34] <mrkofee> hi, i want to authenticate some users using mysql in apache, but since 2.2 mod-auth-mysql is depracted and doesnt work any longer (according to a guy on the apache list). mod-dbd should be used instead, but i cant find it in the repo. do i have to compile apache myself?
[12:36] <\sh> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql ? still in the hardy archives
[12:36] <mrkofee> \sh: ye, but they told me its depracted since 2.0. and it doesnt work for me, thats why i asked on the apache list
[12:51] <cjsstables> Hey all.  currently running ubuntu network server with ldap authentication.  My next issue that I have is the annoying keyring password request when accessing samba shares.  does anyone know how to stop this request in an ldap environment?
[12:56] <ctx144k> hello all.. which program should i install unter ubuntu8.04-server to correct my date/time permamently (as daemon, not cron)
[12:57] <mrkofee> ctx144k: openntpd
[12:57] <ctx144k> i already installed a time-server on another mashine
[12:57] <ctx144k> ok
[13:22] <mohamed_> hello all, i run ubuntu-server at home as home and media server , the question is that i need Apparmor, if i disable it this will affect the system ?
[13:26] <ScottK> mohamed_: It will increase the potential security risk with the system.  Why do you think you need to disable it?
[13:26] <mohamed_> ScottK-> because it make some troubles with Squeezecenter
[13:27] <mohamed_> and i don't need security for this server
[13:27] <ScottK> Security is all it affects.
[13:27] <mohamed_> it will behind firewall
[13:27] <ScottK> I don't agree that that means you don't need security, but your choice.
[13:28] <mohamed_> ScottK-> iit will be for home media inside home
[13:28] <ScottK> It's your network.  It's your choice.  You don't need to convince me.  Only yourself.
[13:28] <mohamed_> my question if i diable it this will not affect the system ?
[13:28] <mohamed_> disable
[13:29] <ScottK> Except for security, no.
[13:29] <mohamed_> thanks ScottK
[14:08] <cjsstables> ikonia:  are you on?
[14:08] <ikonia> cjsstables: I am yes
[14:10] <cjsstables> you know anything about this annoying keyring program.  On my network authenticated users/clients, before I can mount a samba share I have to put in a keyring password.  Is there a way to stop that
[14:11] <cjsstables> my ultimate goal is to automatically mount samba shares but this keyring password is in the way
[14:13] <cjsstables> If network manager is the culprit I can remove that safely if my clients network ip's are manually configed right?
[14:28] <ikonia> cjsstables: there are docs for that, let me see if I can dig them out
[14:31] <cjsstables> ikonia:  i followed one of the doc's about an hour ago and unfortunately was locked out of my linux box.  had to restore original files.  Maybe the one I was following was not correct
[14:32] <ikonia> let me see what I can find for you
[14:36] <cjsstables> ok cool
[14:47] <Vlet> So, I'm using dhcpd and iptables masquerading to set up a router gateway system; all is working well, but if the system restarts, I need to re-enter the iptables rules to re-establish the masquerading; How can I have them loaded at startup?
[14:49] <zul> put them in rc.local perhaps?
[14:50] <Vlet> zul: duh - that was easy :p
[14:50] <_ruben> or put them in a nice script in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d to have it executed automagically .. just a tad "cleaner" than (ab)using rc.local imo :)
[14:50] <_ruben> and you'd want firewall rules to be started prior to bringing any interfaces up
[14:51] <Vlet> _ruben: right. That does seem cleaner. Thankya
[14:57] <dana_good> one of my client's servers detected errors on their disk and somehow the root partition got mounted RO, is there a way to remount the disk RW?
[14:57] <primski> im having some problems with vsftpd+firewall setup. i'm using ssl only, port 990 and when i enable ufw, i no longer get directory listing, authorization works ok, but disconects after there is no directory listing returned. i opened ports 990, 20, 21 tcp and udp. any ideas?
[14:58] <zul> have tried putting you client in passive mode?
[14:59] <primski> yes, im using filezilla on ubuntu desktop.
[14:59] <primski> i thought it could be due to passive mode, but filezilla doesnt solve it, perhaps a bug there, will try another client
[15:05] <Vlet> _ruben (or others :): What would be the apropriate runlevel for such a script?
[15:07] <_ruben> most common runlevel would be 3 .. and 39 as sequence number (since networking has sequence number of 40)
[15:09] <Vlet> Thanks again
[15:10] <nealmcb> Vlet: or use ufs?
[15:10] <nealmcb> oops - ufw...
[15:11] <Vlet> nealmcb: uh, that's a gui thing, right?
[15:11] <\sh> nope...ufw is cli
[15:11] <Vlet> oh.. hmm
[15:12]  * Vlet does some reading
[15:12] <nealmcb> I should have a gui some day, but we like cli too
[15:13] <nealmcb> !ufw
[15:13] <nealmcb> !firewall
[15:13] <Vlet> Well, that's just the thing - I'm not planning on installing X on this box )
[15:13] <nealmcb> Vlet: good
[15:14] <nealmcb> jdstrand: we should set up a factoid for ufw and add it to !firewall
[15:15] <ScottK> nealmcb: Personally I've never heard of Guarddog before.  Kmyfirewall is the KDE front end I see mentioned.  That could do with an update too.
[15:16] <nealmcb> Vlet: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[15:18] <Vlet> nealmcb: Thanks - now the tricky bit is getting this working in one swipe, as the system in question is currently acting as the gatway for my workstation ;)
[15:18] <nealmcb> Vlet: yeah - I know the issues there....  another program that helps with that and does lots more is shorewall
[15:18] <nealmcb> it has some nice auto-fall-back features
[15:18] <Vlet> I think I'll survive =D
[15:26] <cyris|> friday!
[15:26] <Vlet> It seems that the ubuntu.media.mit.edu repomirror is not being updated o_O
[15:26] <jjesse> yay friday
[15:27] <nealmcb> hmm - the ufw man page doesn't say what the default policy is.  default deny or default allow....  but the comment on remote management implies that perhaps it is default deny?
[15:29] <nijaba> jdstrand: ^^
[15:29] <ScottK> Default is nothing at all.
[15:30] <dsdg> hello, I have got a server with ubuntu 64 bit 8.04 i have two discs but need to raid1 them while the server is live.. does any one have a good working howto I can use?
[15:33] <ScottK> You want to convert to a raid array on a live server?
[15:34] <dsdg> hi ScottK i have a live server with sda and sdb  currently the system is booted on sda - i want to raid1 /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 - /dev/md0 - so the server is live and I have created tghe md0 with sdb2 added and sda2 as missing - just having some sticky with grub and thought while i am at it might as well pick up a good proper howto..
[15:36] <ScottK> A how-to I was writing would start with configuring the server before it was live.
[15:36] <dsdg> ScottK, hehe yea, it's a hetzner thing man...they didnt want to.. so now i have a live syhstem with two discs and no raid...
[15:37] <dsdg> done it before in  gentoo but cant find a solid howto for ubuntu,
[15:37] <dsdg> can i not download a live cd and "boot it" or run it..and get to the environmetn where i can do a remote live install?
[15:38] <dsdg> think i can ask hetzner to put in a live cd and give it access to the net? maybe i can then do the raid1 easy?
[15:38] <ScottK> It's been long enough since I set one up I'm reluctant to give advice.
[15:38] <dsdg> it's all good :)
[15:38] <dsdg> thanks anyhow, and enjoy a great weekend!
[15:39] <dsdg> i keep on forgetting it's friday :) almost pub and stella time
[15:39] <jdstrand> nealmcb: it is default deny, but disabled
[15:39] <jdstrand> nealmcb: it can be changed with 'ufw default ...'
[15:40] <nealmcb> jdstrand: thats what it seemed.  want a bug for the man page?
[15:40] <jdstrand> nealmcb: if you want-- I've made a note to fix it
[15:42] <nealmcb> :)
[15:43] <nealmcb> more info about logging would be nice also - default, where it goes, etc
[15:43]  * nealmcb hoped sudo ufw --dry-run logging off would tell me whether it changed or not, but it doesn't seem to
[15:45] <jdstrand> nealmcb: noted
[15:46] <jdstrand> nealmcb: it is syslog facility 'kern' (ie where iptables logs)
[15:48] <nealmcb> jdstrand: thanks.  the sysctl stuff is also a bit mysterious.  for the uninitiated, what are the implications of all those rules in /etc/ufw/sysctl.conf ? - how do they compare to normal system defaults?
[15:49]  * nealmcb knows he is about 5 months late on these questions :/
[15:52] <jdstrand> nealmcb: rp_filter, accept_source-route and accept_redirects are non-defaults
[15:56] <nealmcb> jdstrand: would it make sense to comment out all the defaults or something?
[15:57]  * nealmcb wonders if sysctl rules are set in other packages like that
[15:57] <jdstrand> nealmcb: well, I was doing that, then things started changing between releases and so I just said "I am setting this up the way it needs to be'
[15:57] <nealmcb> :)
[15:59] <jdstrand> I don't know about other packages, but /etc/sysctl.conf seems to be a mixture-- you can read it for what some of that stuff is
[16:00] <nealmcb> hmm - procps owns /etc/sysctl.conf - which takes priority?
[16:01] <jdstrand> nealmcb: ufw-- S17procps vs. S39ufw
[16:01] <nealmcb> scary
[16:03] <jdstrand> nealmcb: lots of firewall scripts do this sort of thing, they just don't have a file called 'sysctl.conf' (meaning they embed all this stuff in their code)
[16:03] <jdstrand> nealmcb: you can also adjust ufw to use /etc/sysctl.conf if you prefer
[16:04] <jdstrand> /etc/default/ufw
[16:05] <jdstrand> nealmcb: while it is 'Uncomplicated' for the average user, it tries not to take away any configurability from an admin who needs it
[16:05] <kirkland> zul: hey, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484800
[16:05] <kirkland> zul: I linked that to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/apache2/+bug/235294
[16:07] <nealmcb> Scary is the wrong term - I just think it will confuse folks to have competing by-default sysctl config files, so good documentation on that seems important
[16:07]  * nealmcb wonders if the debian packaging rules would or should apply there
[16:09] <jdstrand> nealmcb: I can't make change to /etc/sysctl.conf automatically (policy violation)
[16:09] <jdstrand> s/change/changes/
[16:09] <jdstrand> which why I did it this way
[16:09] <zul> kirkland: cool
[16:10] <kirkland> zul: I'm reviewing tormod's debdiff for the php5-5.2.6 security changes backport to hardy
[16:10] <emgent> hello there
[16:11] <zul> kirkland: cool you might want to let kees and jdstrand now
[16:11] <zul> s/now/know/g
[16:11] <mathiaz> dendrobates: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathiaz/network_auth_integration.png
[16:11] <nealmcb> jdstrand: I don't really know much about debian policy, but it seems worse to just override another config file in a way that is less clear to the users.  I guess they at least have to do something to turn ufw on, but still...
[16:13]  * nealmcb knows this is close to the heart of the difficult stuff about package management and being "uncomplicated" like ubuntu wants :)
[16:13] <jdstrand> nealmcb: I am making a change in /etc/ufw/sysctl.conf to make this clear
[16:15] <nealmcb> what would the consequences of not changing the default sysctl stuff be?  I haven't looked at what those rules do, but perhaps it would be better to just advise the user to change the defaults.  or why should those not be changes to procps?
[16:16] <jdstrand> nealmcb: ufw needs rp_filter for one, and part of the 'uncomplicated' bits is unifying sysctl, iptables, etc
[16:17] <jdstrand> nealmcb: like I said-- this is really no different from installing a packaged firewall application that makes some assumptions (and overrides this stuff anyway)
[16:18] <nealmcb> hmm - rp_filter is the same in my two sysctl.conf files
[16:18] <jdstrand> nealmcb: many of those do so internally-- ufw just happens to expose that and gives the possibility to use /etc/sysctl.conf if desired
[16:18] <jdstrand> nealmcb: yes, but it seems to change from release to release, eg gutsy didn't have it
[16:20] <jdstrand> nealmcb: put simply-- 'ufw enable' is supposed to work without having to do any more fiddling
[16:22] <kirkland> jdstrand: hey, procedure question for you....
[16:23] <kirkland> jdstrand: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/227464
[16:23] <kirkland> jdstrand: I subscribed ubuntu-security to that bug
[16:23]  * jdstrand nods
[16:24] <jdstrand> what's the procedure question?
[16:24] <kirkland> jdstrand: these are the php5.2.6 fixes that I chased down in CVS, someone else attached a debdiff
[16:24] <kirkland> jdstrand: i gave the debdiff a look over, applied it (cleanly), build it (cleanly)
[16:24] <kirkland> jdstrand: i figured you/kees would want to look over it next?
[16:25] <kirkland> jdstrand: before zul/me prepare an SRU?
[16:25] <jdstrand> kirkland: we will get to it for -security, but that shouldn't prevent you from doing SRU if desired
[16:25] <kirkland> jdstrand: "is that the standard procedure?"  ^
[16:26] <jdstrand> kirkland: the standard procedure is-- patch, test, supply debdiff, assign security team
[16:26] <jdstrand> kirkland: so yes
[16:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: cool, thanks.
[16:26] <kirkland> zul: what do you think?  SRU time for bug 227464?
[16:26] <jdstrand> kirkland: we take it from there-- if it contains other fixes, then feel free to do the SRU
[16:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: oh, okay
[16:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: so a separate SRU is not required?
[16:26] <jdstrand> kirkland: I don't have a timeline on when we will process it though
[16:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: nothing but security fixes in that debdiff
[16:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: i don't either
[16:27] <jdstrand> kirkland: no-- if it is just security fixes, kees and I just upload to -security
[16:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: cool, thanks, i think my work on this one is done, then.
[16:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: thanks!
[16:27] <jdstrand> kirkland: on a gnarly patch set, we may do a 'simulated SRU' where we upload to -proposed and ask for feedback before committing to -security
[16:28] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay, this one is non-trivial, but i wouldn't call it "gnarly" either
[16:28] <jdstrand> heh
[16:28] <jdstrand> kirkland: well, kees and I will take a look at it and make that decision
[16:28] <kirkland> jdstrand:  7 files changed, 128 insertions(+)
[16:28] <kirkland> jdstrand: okey doke, thanks for the answers
[16:29] <jdstrand> kirkland: do you know off-hand if anyone has done any of the regression testing in qa-regression-tests?
[16:29] <kirkland> jdstrand: for php?
[16:31] <jdstrand> kirkland: I know there is some built test info in there-- I haven't looked at the php specific stuff in a while
[16:31] <kirkland> jdstrand: there's a set of php tests are are bundled with PHP itself
[16:31] <kirkland> jdstrand: those run as part of the php debuild
[16:31] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'll build an unpatched (stock) hardy php and compare the differences
[16:31] <jdstrand> kirkland: yes, and kees documented what fails and what doesn't, so new builds can be compared against the old (eg expected failures are ok, but no new failures)
[16:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: actually, a file test-results.txt gets generated by the build, and installed when you install php5
[16:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: so i may not need to rerun
[16:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: just install what's currently in hardy
[16:33] <jdstrand> kirkland: I don't know the php5 packaging, but like I said, kees documented some of this stuff for all the releases
[16:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: documented where?
[16:33] <jdstrand> qa-regression-testing
[16:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: that's a package?
[16:33] <jdstrand> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master
[16:34] <jdstrand> kirkland: ^
[16:34] <jdstrand> (no package)
[16:34] <kirkland> jdstrand: ah, launchpad project, sorry, /me was confused
[16:39] <jdstrand> nealmcb: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/ufw/trunk/revision/149
[16:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: doesn't look to me like qa-regression-testing has hardy's php5 results
[16:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: latest are 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.1
[16:47] <jdstrand> kirkland: ok-- feel free to add them if desired (or post the results somewhere so we can add them)
[16:47] <jdstrand> (ie unpatched hardy)
[16:47] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay
[16:47] <jdstrand> kirkland: don't feel like you have to-- but if you want to contribute, great :)
[16:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: it's no problem, i have all the data and branch right in front of me ;-)
[16:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: i must say, though....
[16:49] <kirkland> jdstrand:  that it seems to me marginally valuable to collect php's results in this project, since a test-results.txt.gz is shipped with every php5*.deb we build
[16:49] <jdstrand> kirkland: feel free to branch qa-regression-testing and make whatever changes you want
[16:49] <jdstrand> we'll pull them in
[16:49] <kirkland> jdstrand: :-)
[16:49] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay, i'll think on it some
[16:50] <jdstrand> they are for everyone to enjoy :)
[16:50] <kirkland> woohoo!
[16:52] <ashelbysctes> hey guys i have an ubuntu server box running hardy with gnome and wmii, i configured some custom keyboard commands so when i press F1 or F2 certain scripts should run, and they work fine in gnome but not in wmii, could someone please help me make it work in wmii?
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> i tried going back in wmii and redoing it, but its already set correctly and to no avail
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> my script is:
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> #!bin/bash
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> gksudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> just those two lines
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> and its not working :(
[16:53] <ashelbysctes> is there a different kind of sudo i need to be using or what? :\
[16:55] <ashelbysctes> all i wanna do is start and stop ssh with a hit of a key :S
[16:57] <jdstrand> ashelbysctes: this is really more a question for #ubuntu
[16:57] <jdstrand> ashelbysctes: I haven't even heard of wmii until you mentioned it
[16:59] <ashelbysctes> yeah, i tried ubuntu, they are sure a lot more busy than they are at 1am ;)
[16:59] <ashelbysctes> but thats allright :)
[16:59] <ashelbysctes> i can bother you with a server related question...
[17:00] <ashelbysctes> i can recieve mail with just my standard default mail agent
[17:00] <ashelbysctes> but i cant send it
[17:00] <ashelbysctes> i think it might be a problem with my isp (charter communications)
[17:01] <ashelbysctes> but this might be a common fixable problem ;)
[17:01] <jdstrand> ashelbysctes: is this sending it from a mail client like evolution, or your mail server (eg postfix)?
[17:03] <ashelbysctes> from a server (postfix)
[17:04] <jdstrand> ashelbysctes: many ISPs block port 25
[17:04] <jdstrand> ashelbysctes: try using tcpdump or similar
[17:04] <jdstrand> (or nmap)
[17:05] <ashelbysctes> oh, its port 25? kul, ill try something and if that dosent work you can bet im gonna ask for help with installing tcpdump or something ;)
[17:08] <ashelbysctes> btw - i can never thank you guys enough :)
[17:08] <ashelbysctes> you guys are like heros to me - i want to be just like you in a few years :)
[17:08] <ashelbysctes> before i go to college :)
[17:09] <ashelbysctes> OH HOT IT WORKED :D
[17:09] <ashelbysctes> thanks soooo much!
[17:09] <ashelbysctes> i thought it was my router prot forwarding - but i wasnt sure what port to let pass through
[17:09] <ashelbysctes> so i let 25 through and now it works!
[17:09] <ashelbysctes> thank you so much!!! :)
[17:10] <ashelbysctes> you guys deserve a lot more thanks than you get, a lot of you work harder than most people get paid for ;)
[17:10] <ashelbysctes> and i really appreciate it :)
[17:12] <jdstrand> np :)
[17:17] <ashelbysctes> hey -  it worked once, but now gmail is fussing at me: it told me to use SMTP 550-5.7.1 relay at my isp instead cause my ip wasnt applicable to send mail directly to their servers :\
[17:19] <ashelbysctes> ok it says that dynamic ip's are unaccepted to send unidentified smtp mail to an internet email serve r
[17:19] <ashelbysctes> could i fix one of those things? make my ip NOT dynamic, o send authenticated mail?
[17:21] <ashelbysctes> cause i rly needz a mail server :(
[17:23] <nealmcb> ashelbysctes: it is generally recommended to use the smtp submission port (I forget the number), not 25, for using an isp as a smarthost, as I recall
[17:23] <ashelbysctes> oh, okey dokey then
[17:24] <ashelbysctes> if i could find out what port it is could you help me use it to suubmit it, or is it just a matter of configuring my router so?
[17:25] <nealmcb> running a mail server from a dynamic ip is likely to cause you lots of headaches - I'd stick with the submission port...
[17:26] <ashelbysctes> ok, but theres nothing i could change just to make mail servers "trust
[17:26] <nealmcb> ...and even that takes care and feeding....  fun to learn from, but using a good email service (e.g. fastmail.fm) can be a lot easier
[17:26] <ashelbysctes> " me?
[17:26] <ashelbysctes> ok then
[17:26] <nealmcb> they won't trust dynamic ips...
[17:27] <ashelbysctes> i need something free is all
[17:27] <ashelbysctes> thats ok
[17:27] <nealmcb> and shouldn't....
[17:27] <nealmcb> I went thru all that years ago...
[17:27] <ashelbysctes> yup, im a pretty *sniff* shady character after all? :P
[17:27] <kees> kirkland, jdstrand: I would like to compare patch sets against what seanius did in Debian, too.
[17:27] <kees> (for php50
[17:27] <kees> s/0/)/
[17:27] <nealmcb> dkim and perhaps the dns policy stuff would help in some cases but probably not nearly enough
[17:28] <kees> kirkland, jdstrand: see svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-php/php5/branches/etch/debian
[17:29] <kirkland> kees: okay, i posted a diff showing now test regressions
[17:29] <kirkland> i was also just about to add test results for hardy's php5
[17:29] <kirkland> to qa-regression-testing
[17:32] <kees> kirkland: cool.  we should not have any regressions. ;)
[17:36] <kirkland> kees: jdstrand: okay, pushed results 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 to lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/qa-regression-testing/master
[17:36] <kirkland> (missing hardy results)
[17:37] <mathiaz> nealmcb: ogra: what do you think about http://augeas.net/ ?
[17:37] <mathiaz> isn't that what we've talked about the right way to implement configuration management ?
[17:40] <ashelbysctes> what if i were to sign up for http://www.senderscorecertified.com/ ?
[17:41] <ashelbysctes> would that alow me to send maail without being ignored?
[17:45] <cameronh> for some reason, my Ubuntu Server install seems to be hanging when apache starts at boot time
[17:48] <cameronh> actually it just seems to be hanging at startup when starting a service, but it tends to be near apache
[17:49] <cameronh> any idea what's happening? no debug messages are being spewed out
[17:50] <cyris|> anything failing to start?
[17:50] <cameronh> only cleaning /tmp
[17:51] <cameronh> i just did a recovery start and this time it crashed when i did ls /etc/rc6.d, but i don't think that's what caused it.. think maybe it's the clutch transmission daemon?
[17:53] <ashelbysctes> hey, about my mail server, if i set it up as a mx record isnted of simple ip forwarding, would those servers accept it?
[17:56] <ashelbysctes> i can do email forwarding, user (mx record) and user simplified ip so far i just had user siplified ip, but by the way you tell me it sounds like i could use an mx record and it would work
[17:57] <ashelbysctes> would an mx record work cause its not a simplified ip address or dynamic any more?
[17:59] <cameronh> nope this computer seems to be randomly hanging at startup now, even beore it's started loading things like transmission and apache
[17:59] <cameronh> it was working fine before
[18:04] <ashelbysctes> i have a server runninx postfix and i need to send mail but before my dns was configured to dynamic ip so things like hotmail bounced the mail so would it work if i alternatively configured my dns to an mx record???
[18:05] <ashelbysctes> cause i really think that would work
[18:13] <ashelbysctes> http://screencast.com/t/terADXkph could someone please tell me how to configure that? my website name is sudoshelby.com and my username is shelby
[18:17] <ashelbysctes> i just wanna know what to fill in cause i think it will work i really do
[18:51] <Vlet> So, I've been playing with ufw, and with port 53 allowed and ufw defaulting to drop, I can't seem to resolve hosts (via dnsmasq)... Any suggestions for what other ports or settings should be applied?
[18:57] <mathiaz> kees: is the repository module enable in apparmor ?
[18:57] <mathiaz> kees: I remember that we disabled the xmlrpc code at some during gutsy
[19:04] <psufan> how do I make sure a line gets added to the command line/grub whatever in a kickstart install script for 6.06lts
[19:08] <kees> mathiaz: Yeah, I'd just seen that bug about "ubuntu-gutsy" too.  I thought it was disabled, but I haven't checked lately.
[19:31] <psufan> wtf did you guys do to the kernel so it ignores console=
[19:39] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[19:39] <SpaceBass> I've got a problem with a raid5 sooftware array after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04
[19:40] <SpaceBass> specifically, it broke and would not assemble due to bad super blocks on a few drives ... I zeroed out the superblocks and created the array...its active and hopefully intact...
[19:40] <SpaceBass> but when I try and mount it, I get a wrong file system type error
[19:40] <SpaceBass> it thinks its ext4
[19:43] <psufan> wtf
[19:44] <mathiaz> dendrobates: have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyNetworkAuthentication ?
[19:44] <mathiaz> dendrobates: that seems to cover the uauth tool we've discussed earlier
[19:45] <dendrobates> mathiaz: yes, I am familiar with it.
[19:50] <ashelbysctes> hey you guys i set some custom keyboard scripts to run on command of a key, and they un fine in gnome, but not in wmii, how would i make them run in wmii?
[19:58] <Asad2005> I have set up bridge between wireless wlan0 and eth0 fore access point, the client can connect but doesnot ping WAN while the server can connect when i route add default gw. Can some one help. i have my config files in http://paste.ubuntu.com/17651/
[20:08] <stickystyl> anyone know of some pre written server monitor scripts that i can put on a machine external to my office to monitor my websites?  I have nagios internally, but the server that i have external doesn't allow a cgi-bin.
[20:09] <stickystyl> no sense in me writing some script if there is already one out there.
[20:16] <bamed> stickystyl: what are you wanting to monitor?  uptime?  if that's all nagios should be all you need
[20:17] <stickystyl> I want to monitor that my sites are reachable from the outside world, hence the external server monitoring it.  but this is just a simple shell account that does not have access to a cgi-bin that would be needed to install nagios on the external machine.
[20:23] <kees> jdstrand: say, I'm using the test-samba.py and it's ... not happy with me (or my kvm)
[20:25] <kees> jdstrand: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/7817
[20:25]  * kees goes digging
[20:30] <jdstrand> kees: boy I'd say
[20:30] <jdstrand> kees: which release?
[20:30] <kees> this is gutsy
[20:31] <kees> I did a purge/reinstall hoping there was some goofed config, but smbclient seems to still hate me
[20:31] <jdstrand> kees: let me take a look at it-- I tested dapper and hardy after the commit and then got distracted by evolution
[20:31] <jdstrand> s/after/before/
[20:32] <kees> okay, cool.  I'll go try it in Dapper.
[20:34] <kees> heh, works on dapper.  :P
[20:34] <slimjim8094> sup guys - got a question
[20:34] <jdstrand> kees: it actually is working on gutsy
[20:34] <jdstrand> kees: sudo ./test-samba.py -v
[20:34] <slimjim8094> bind9 + dhcp-server - i want a dynamic dns update so my local machine's hostnames are in DNS for my domain
[20:35] <slimjim8094> anyone got any ideas?
[20:35] <jdstrand> kees: I see you did 'sudo ./test-samba.py localhost -v'
[20:35] <kees> jdstrand: yeah, tried both.  hmm
[20:35] <jdstrand> kees: that is not valid
[20:35] <jdstrand> kees: at least, it isn't tested
[20:35] <kees> slimjim8094: same audience here -- don't think anyone knows.
[20:35] <jdstrand> (and wouldn't mean anything, as 'localhost' is supposed to be for network browsing
[20:35] <kees> jdstrand: ah, okay, trying it again..
[20:36] <jdstrand> )
[20:36] <jdstrand> kees: eg:
[20:36] <jdstrand> sudo ./test-samba.py 192.168.122.10 -v
[20:36] <jdstrand> where 192.168.122.10 is some host running samba
[20:36] <jdstrand> (eg, another vm)
[20:37] <jdstrand> kees: all tests passed on gutsy (skipped client browsing)
[20:38] <slimjim8094__> crap... stupid internet
[20:38] <kees> jdstrand: weird.  I wonder how my VM is busted.
[20:39] <jdstrand> kees: do you have any stray smbd or nmbd processes running?
[20:40]  * kees checks
[20:40] <kees> it's okay if I have other smb running on separate hosts, right?
[20:40] <jdstrand> kees: separate hosts absolutely-- that is the point of client browsing ;)
[20:40] <jdstrand> kees: I meant in the gutsy vm
[20:41] <kees> jdstrand: for the  $host -v   case, right?  but for just -v, it'll use the local machine?
[20:41] <jdstrand> kees: in fact, I know that 10.0.0.63 is running samba :)
[20:42] <kees> jdstrand: heh, but that's the machine I'm testing.
[20:42] <jdstrand> (though that may be your gutsy vm...)
[20:42] <kees> yeah
[20:42] <kees> okay, so, to back up... if I just install samba out of the box, this should work: smbclient -N -L $(hostname)
[20:43] <jdstrand> kees: is this i386?
[20:43] <kees> jdstrand: amd64
[20:43] <jdstrand> kees: ok, all my testing was amd64
[20:43] <jdstrand> kees: smbclient -N -L localhost should work
[20:44] <kees> wild.
[20:44] <kees> Anonymous login successful
[20:44] <kees> Domain=[MSHOME] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.0.26a]
[20:44] <kees> tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[20:44] <kees> that's a result of   purge, install, smbclient.
[20:45]  * kees switches to his i386
[20:45] <jdstrand> that there is yer prawblum
[20:45] <kees> hehe
[20:45] <ashelbysctes> hey can someone point me in the direction of a mysql tutorial pls? i have to learn how to use and make databases and im a n00b :(
[20:46] <ashelbysctes> nevermind its ok :)
[20:47] <jdstrand> kees: I don't know, I might just take 15 minutes and generate a new vm
[20:47] <kees> samba and I have never gotten along.  :P
[20:48] <jdstrand> I'm not sure it's in samba's nature to get along
[20:48] <kees> haha
[20:48] <kees> trying feisty as long as I'm here...
[20:49] <LMJ> hi
[20:49] <jdstrand> kees: yeah, me too
[20:49] <LMJ> is there a way to activate "conntrack_rtsp" on Ubuntu hardy ?
[20:50] <jdstrand> kees: tip for ya-- if you specify a host to test-samba.py, make sure that samba is actually running on that host ;)
[20:50] <kees> jdstrand: heh, it is!  I swear.  :P
[20:50] <kees> yup, feisty is fine for me too.
[20:50] <jdstrand> (several times I forgot to restart it after a test-samba.py run)
[20:50] <kees> (SambaGeneric) Client browsing ... skipped
[20:50] <kees> ok
[20:50] <kees> er.. where is that "ok" coming from?  :P
[20:51] <jdstrand> kees: it is because the test didn't FAIL-- not sure how to get rid of that
[20:51] <kees> ah! heh
[20:51] <jdstrand> kees: I just return True on skip
[20:52] <kees> maybe: print "(skipped)",      i'll see if that makes the output cleaner
[20:52] <jdstrand> kees: oh-- yes, that would do it-- I'd prefere no 'ok', but please make the change
[20:52] <kees> oh wait... feisty started to fail.
[20:52] <jdstrand> kees: while your at it, can you update it to mention that specifying localhost to test-samba.py doesn't really make sense?
[20:53] <kees> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/samba/smb.conf.autotest'
[20:53] <kees> *boggle*
[20:53] <jdstrand> sudo?
[20:53] <kees> I have entered some kind of anti-coffee zone.  *sigh*
[20:53] <jdstrand> kees: feisty passed here (even with client browsing)
[20:54] <jdstrand> kees: there are to places for 'skipped' in test_client_browsing-- can you fix both?
[20:55] <kees> jdstrand: yeah, saw that and got them updated now.  (haven't pushed yet)
[20:55] <kees> oh... yeah, no... that won't work.  it seems that the lack of flush means it doesn't appear in output.  :P
[20:55] <jdstrand> kees: and don't feel bad about sudo-- I *just* did the same thing 1 minute before and had the same reaction :)
[20:55] <kees> haha
[20:55] <kees> *whew*
[20:55] <kees> feisty is working correctly.
[20:56] <kees> I wonder why my gutsy VM is bad...
[20:56] <jdstrand> ah, well clearly that was why I didn't use ','
[20:56] <jdstrand> :P
[20:56] <AnRkey> how do i share something with ebox?
[20:56] <kees> heheh
[20:56] <AnRkey> i have looked everywhere
[20:57] <kees> AnRkey: I would cut something in half, and let ebox choose which piece it wants.  (sorry, couldn't help myself.  I don't know ebox)
[20:57]  * AnRkey slaps kees
[20:57] <AnRkey> :D
[20:58] <kees> heh :)
[20:58] <kees> jdstrand: haha:
[20:58] <jdstrand> LMJ: I haven't used conntrack_rtsp-- but it doesn't appear to be compiled in hardy
[20:58] <kees> Ran 14 tests in 221.628s
[20:58] <kees> OK
[20:58] <kees> (skipped)
[20:59] <jdstrand> kees: oh, haha
[21:00] <kees> I'm trying it with a sys.stdout.flush()
[21:00] <jdstrand> I was like-- '(skipped)', wha?
[21:00] <AnRkey> found it
[21:00] <AnRkey> create a new group and add a path for the share for that group. strange that it's in the groups section
[21:03] <kees> jdstrand: ah-HA! something in the conf was staying.  I wasn't purging samba-common (only samba)
[21:03] <kees> I'll be it was from earlier attempts to reproduce the kernel bug.
[21:04] <jdstrand> \m/
[21:04] <kees> and flush() worked.  wheee
[21:05] <jdstrand> ah cool
[21:05] <jdstrand> I have 'skip' in a few other scripts too, if you're feeling industrious :)
[21:06] <kees> jdstrand: okay, thanks for the attention -- it's all working happily again. *whew*
[21:06] <jdstrand> np
[21:06] <kees> oh, maybe I'll add testlib.skipped()  and we can call   return testlib.skipped()
[21:07] <jdstrand> kees: that is a great idea
[21:09] <AnRkey> aaaahhh!!! i was wrong
[21:09] <AnRkey> it creates a whole new directory
[22:33] <slimjim8094> guys - anybody a bind / dhcp-server guy? got a question about ddns-updates
[22:33] <gatewayer> whats the problem slimjim8094
[22:34] <slimjim8094> i can't get ddns-updates working - bind9 and dhcp-server running on the same machine
[22:34] <slimjim8094> dhcp-server (or the client themselves) is supposed to be able to update the DNS entry for the client
[22:34] <gatewayer> where you get stuck?
[22:35] <slimjim8094> no errors, but no success messages either
[22:35] <slimjim8094> it's just not working
[22:36] <gatewayer> hmmm really tricky to help you without error message ^^
[22:36] <slimjim8094> how about NXDOMAIN :P
[22:37] <slimjim8094> ive got my default dns suffix set properly
[22:37] <slimjim8094> i had some errors re. permission denied
[22:37] <slimjim8094> but they're gone...
[22:38] <gatewayer> hmmm
[22:38] <gatewayer> maybe anyone else has more expirience and knows what to do ^^
[22:38] <gatewayer> i have no idea what you need ^^
[22:39] <gatewayer> i thought it is a specific error ^^
[22:40] <slimjim8094> haha, unfortunately it's not
[22:40] <slimjim8094> errors i can google ^.^
[22:40] <gatewayer> of course ^^
[22:41] <gatewayer> but without error you need someone who had this problem already
[22:41] <slimjim8094> ya
[22:41] <slimjim8094> or knows how i'm doing something stupid
[22:43] <gatewayer> jepp
[23:26]  * nealmcb heads off for the weekend....
[23:41] <a13x>  I am trying to install ubuntu server but when i run CD checking tool it tells me that some random file is corrupted and it is different every time.  i tried different cds, cd recorders, cd roms but nothing helps.  i even tried to redownload few times.
[23:46] <a13x>  I am trying to install ubuntu server but when i run CD checking tool it tells me that some random file is corrupted and it is different every time.  i tried different cds, cd recorders, cd roms but nothing helps.  i even tried to redownload few times.
[23:47] <ScottK2> a13x: Did you try burning at a slower speed?
[23:47] <a13x> interesting idea
[23:47] <a13x> however, why would it matter
[23:48] <infinity> a13x: When you say it's a "different file every time", do you mean it's different with each burn, or that the very same CD gives different errors on each check?
[23:48] <infinity> a13x: If the same CD is giving different errors each time, your CD drive or cabling to the drive might have issues.
[23:48] <a13x> i put in the cd and start the computer
[23:48] <a13x> in the bootloader i choose check cd
[23:48] <a13x> every time i do this
[23:48] <ScottK2> a13x: If your media is marginal or something other issue, it could be more apparent at higher data rates.
[23:49] <a13x> files are sometimes different
[23:49] <a13x> i replaced the cabling
[23:49] <a13x> also replaced cd rom
[23:49] <ScottK2> What brand of CD blanks?
[23:49] <a13x> tried regular cd and cd-rw
[23:50] <a13x> and recorded on two different computers
[23:50] <a13x> same result
[23:50] <a13x> brand
[23:50] <a13x> TDK for my regular cds
[23:51] <a13x> i am not sure about my RWs
[23:51] <a13x> next, i will run checks on my recording software
[23:51] <ScottK2> IIRC some of those are made in marginal factories and some are made in good ones, but if you've got the same problem with the RW, it's not just a bad spindle of CDs.
[23:51] <a13x> and try recording at slower speeds
[23:52] <a13x> right now i am downloading the dvd
[23:53] <a13x> i even ran memory tests, no errors