[00:00] darkcrab: stupid questions, but 1) did you replace all references to transmission 2) did you restart firefox [00:00] hmmm [00:00] one sec [00:04] ShiroUsagi: all up [00:08] yea lc2, its all set, but its not working [00:08] well, what the crap [00:15] darkcrab: Are you still working on your transmission thing? [00:15] yea [00:15] no luck [00:16] Yeah... I told you. It's buggy software right now. Try creating a new profile. Alt+F2 then firefox -P create new. Get it working. then go into old profile and copy over your bookmarks. [00:17] kk [00:19] node_6, The sound system in Hardy was changed to Pulseaudio, might also be helpful to look in that direction, try using one of those: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#RelatedSoftware [00:31] Oh, It hangs at last... [00:33] I don`t see any pattern in these occurances. [00:36] KuroUsagi: :\ [00:37] :] [00:38] It looks like a problem with xfwm, but everything refreshes, and the panel is unresponsive too... Really puzzled here. [00:40] KuroUsagi: me too [00:40] did you get this problem with whatever you were using before? [00:42] Nope. I believe it started after upgrading to Hardy. And as for Xfce, I was rarely using it, mostly sticking with Gnome. [00:42] does gnome do that as well? [00:42] No, it has its own problems :) [00:47] i haven't a clue :\ [00:53] The strange thing is: it reacts to ctrl+alt+f1-etc, and c+a+backspace, caps- num- scroll- locks, but none of the other keystrokes. [00:54] hm :( [00:54] Something is receiving them and deliberately ignoring... [01:04] Erm... Does it suppose to have 62 console-kit-daemon processes running?.. [01:06] Oh, it`s a registered bug... [01:07] haha wtf [01:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/148454 [01:07] Launchpad bug 148454 in consolekit "console-kit-deamon spawns too many threads" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:10] Just a confusion, or whatever. [01:10] Anyone got a complete newbie faq for getting new themes? [01:11] You just download the theme and extra it to .themes/ in your home directory. [01:11] Exactly. Complete newbie style? [01:12] I mean, to begin with, what style of themes affect what? [01:12] I'm pretty sure I can do all this myself if I just had a document explaining all the terms and causes in detail. [01:13] An example theme-creation-kit? [01:13] taza, and now you're confusing me and I'm a developer :P [01:13] No, I just want a newbie's introduction to what themes are, what themes are what and how do they all interlock. [01:14] What are GTK themes for and what are Xfce themes for, to begin with [01:14] http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/ [01:14] Like.. this? [01:15] Most certainly not. [01:15] There is no such thing as an "Xfce theme" [01:15] An "Xfce theme" is a GTK theme. [01:16] KuroUsagi: I understand *nothing* from that site. I mean, I could use my graphical skills and my programming skills to create something there but I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. [01:17] I wasn't asking for a "complete newbie" guide for nothing [01:17] For I have no understanding of the terminology and how they actually work. [01:18] well you know what GTK is [01:18] everything's simple english from there [01:18] Yeah, right. [01:19] Basicalli it`s just pictures of buttons and decorations all stacked together, with some text describing what goes where... Or.. is it not? [01:20] No, it's not [01:20] *lly [01:20] And lc2, that must be obviously some new usage of of the word 'simple' I was previously unaware of. [01:20] To begin with, I do not know the components and what component affects what. [01:21] I know GTK+ is a widget library for GUIs, and uh, I have no idea how it's used in Xfce4 [01:21] Do you know what a widget is, taza? [01:21] taza: all xfce's menus, taskbars, etc are drawn using GTK [01:21] lc2: Thanks, now we're getting to where we want to be. [01:22] Why don`t you take a ready made theme, and start by altering it. Then you can notice the changes with your own eyes. [01:22] in the case of window decorations (titlebars etc), it inherits some properties from the GTK theme, and others from the xfce decoration theme [01:22] I presume the theme howto applies only to the window decoration theme? [01:22] taza: yes [01:22] So basically if I want to change colours and such I'm looking for a GTK theme. [01:22] taza: depends on what you want to change the colours of [01:22] And if I want to change titlebars and window borders I want a xfce window decoration theme [01:23] pretty much [01:23] Xfce theme === GTK theme. [01:23] Yeah, that was the part I was in the dark of. [01:23] No. [01:23] no [01:23] What's called a xfce theme is a xfce window decoration theme. [01:24] It all makes sense once I got that one critical part down. [01:24] Well, people sometimes refer to copiers as xerox... [01:24] taza: bear in mind that with some window decoration themes, colours and so on are inherited from the GTK theme [01:25] lc2: Yeah, but I'm not looking for an another window decoration theme [01:25] My problem is that xfce4-dusk is too dark for my screen in some conditions [01:27] sec [01:30] I give up... Back to Gnome for the time being... Although I really like the concept behind Xfce. [01:30] ;\ [01:31] Back to gnome from xfce? [01:31] Why on earth would you do something like that? [01:31] Yeah. [01:32] I'm using xfce just because I don't have space for the better stuff [01:32] i'm trying to find the global gtk themes directory and i have no clue [01:32] And I don't mean KDE even if I do think it's better than Gnome. I mean wmii etc. [01:33] Split workspaces. <3 <3 <3 [01:33] oh [01:33] /usr/share/themes/ [01:33] Because Xfce stops responding to my keyboard and mouse after some usage time... [01:33] poke around in there to find Dusk [01:33] Well I can just extract it to .themes too [01:33] taza: you may find it easier to tweak your existing theme, if you find it too dark, than to do another [01:34] And, personally, I find KDE inferior to both Xfce and Gnome, but that`s just me. [01:34] KuroUsagi: Ever tried a split workspace window manager? [01:34] I mean, it's a function I think all of them should have [01:34] Never really had to split. [01:34] But alas, I have 800x480 resolution, so no split workspaces for me. ;_; [01:35] taza: /usr/share/themes/Xfce-dusk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc [01:35] But doesn`t Gnome provide one? [01:35] Not sure. [01:35] taza: 800x600? why? [01:35] Xfce doesn't, I'm pretty sure. [01:35] lc2: Not 800x600. 800x480. [01:35] wtf [01:35] ! [01:36] eeePC or something [01:36] Yup, EeePC [01:36] cool [01:36] I mean, I'd still so love split workspaces. [01:36] But Xfce is just so much more practical for a screen of this size [01:37] Jef Raskin claimed this screen size is optimal for working with text [01:38] his Cat had such a tiny screen too [01:40] ick that's why I haven't taken the eeepc dive yet [01:40] 480 is usable on something the size of a phone [01:41] It's usable for everything but gaming and image editing [01:41] not to rip on your eee, I still want one [01:41] how many lines is that in a shell? [01:42] Mabbe 20 [01:42] I would use the term tolerable, as opposed to usable [01:42] It's usable [01:42] the TRS-80 was usable too [01:42] Aye [01:43] I suppose for the price it's alright [01:43] But you can game with the Eee too [01:43] I still don`t get the need of split workspaces on EeePC. [01:43] NWN1 works just fine [01:43] hehe cool [01:43] I want a split-in-the-half for coding [01:43] My coding uses a lot of magic numbers and formulas. [01:43] Open two windows and align them nicely :) [01:43] what's the difference between lower window and hide window? [01:44] my coding uses a lot of magic formulas and potions [01:45] Well I code potions. [01:45] Literally. [01:46] And an enchanted fly swatter of perfect perception. [01:46] taza: homebrew? or chem e? [01:46] thinkmassive: RPG's [01:46] Hello [01:46] taza: hah very good [01:47] Anyone know where I can find a list of ALL the abbreviations for keyboard layouts? [01:49] /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst is a good start [01:50] Ty. [01:50] And is there a convenient default keyboard shortcut to open up terminal in Xubuntu? [01:51] nope [01:51] also, hi again, i just remembered you [01:52] Hello :) [01:52] Alsosleep [01:52] 3am [01:52] oh [01:52] I for some reason (perhaps school, perhaps the large amount of THC ingested yesterday, I do not know) cannot remember how to open up a text file to edit it in the text editor. [01:52] settings manager, keyboard [01:52] (from terminal) [01:52] under "shortcuts" [01:52] add a new theme, then add your shortcut [01:53] Ty. [01:53] command should be xfce4-terminal [01:53] and anyway [01:53] your question is begging for a holy war about which is the correct text editor to use [01:55] "Real programmers use butterflies…" [02:04] Oh, well, 5 am here. Might as well get some sleep. Thanks for all the efforts, I`ll try to trace it better next time. Best of luck! [02:05] bye ShiroUsagi === btipling_ is now known as s|k [06:35] hello there [06:37] O HAY BUDY [08:14] Hello, I am trying to share a folder so a Windows PC can view it. I set up sharing and the Windows PC can see the folder, however it says I don't have permission to connect to it. The folder currently only has my Xubuntu username as ownership. [08:17] use smbpasswd to create passwords - samba user rights are separate from the system user rights [08:22] Isn't there a way to just say share this folder to anyone without passwords? [08:23] In other words, have no security settings on the shared folder. [08:25] umm [08:25] sure [08:26] I've personally done it with editing the samba configuration file myself [08:33] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#head-d2b25687b553d3737873748f613fb60558db7c4d [08:37] Thanks, I'll give that a whirl. === seanw is now known as leet === leet is now known as seanw [11:40] does anyone know whether it's possible to have the places menu plugin in the Applications menu? [11:45] it's not === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [11:55] ok thnx [11:58] Hey guys, was directed here from the #xfce channel [11:58] * gnomefreak waits [11:58] Having a problem with the terminal application on my fresh Xunbuntu 8.04 installation [11:58] You can see it here [11:58] http://slaine.org/files/xubuntu_terminal.png [11:59] slaine_: have you filed a bug on Launchpad.net? [11:59] I don't know if it's a bug yet, now do I. [11:59] slaine_: ummmm what is wrong with it? [11:59] it looks normal here [11:59] gnomefreak: the black borders? [11:59] The borders are not drawn, they're black [11:59] slaine_: ah [11:59] is that only a terminal bug? [12:00] all the other apps work fine? [12:00] It only happens with terminal (but it's sub windows like Help/About etc. have the same issue) [12:00] Yes, all other apps I've tried so far work fine [12:00] so it's a bug between xfce4-terminal and xfwm, if I understand correctly [12:01] is this normal xubuntu, not eeexubuntu or ppc? [12:01] Myrtti: good point :) [12:02] gnomefreak: been around too long not to know the right questions :-P [12:02] Yes, it's normal xubuntu install [12:02] that wasnt good :( [12:02] it crashes here [12:02] xfce4-terminal? [12:02] xterm4 crashes here [12:03] slaine_: what theme are you using? [12:03] About lists it as Terminal 0.2.8 [12:03] this works fine in gnome with xterm [12:03] I'm not using gnome [12:03] and it happens regardless of theme [12:04] sorry it was xfterm4 that crashed here [12:04] but i expect that [12:05] the reason i ask about theme is because the gnome default theme doesnt show this issue here so maybe its the default theme on xfce that is causing this [12:05] It was just suggested to disable composite explicitly in xorg.conf by the xfce guys. I'll give that a go later [12:05] i am unable to change to xfce at this time [12:05] I've changed the bit depth to 16 too and still the same problem [12:06] slaine_: that could be the issue since its using compiz not default WM [12:06] I'm not using compiz [12:06] composite in xubuntu is done with compiz? [12:07] Myrtti: i thought it was [12:07] I've got no idea [12:07] only kde4 doesnt use it afaik they have their own in kde4 [12:08] Yeah, the compositor is disabled via the Window Manager Tweaks app [12:08] xubuntu doesnt have it enabled by default? [12:08] not that I know of [12:08] once the right drivers are found ofcourse [12:09] * gnomefreak doesnt touch compiz other than to run tests on new software and bugs [12:17] Yes, and I don't have a driver that's capable [12:18] But it looks like Terminal application is expecting it to be there [12:18] This is a right pain, as I use terminals a lot [12:29] Ok, disabling composite explicitly via the xorg.conf file solved the problem [12:32] file a bug of it anyway === extremus is now known as bloodboy [14:06] any recommendations on a fast lightweight image viewer? [14:06] it's annoying to open gimp everytime I want to preview an image [14:09] Ristretto [14:10] quick startup time? [14:10] oh nice, I didn't even realize that's installed by default [14:10] thanks cody-somerville === platyhelminth is now known as heoeo [14:42] !yelp [14:42] Factoid yelp not found [14:42] !info yelp [14:42] yelp (source: yelp): Help browser for GNOME 2. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.1-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 338 kB, installed size 3964 kB [15:24] hi, installed xfce-panel and gdm, but when booting up, it seems to be an old X environement [15:25] how can I make gdm to start xfce during boot ? [15:25] you can select it in the 'sessions' menu at the login [15:25] Hi all, I dont seem to be able to install Restricted-Manager or Restricted-Manager-core They are part of the jockey package but reinstalling that doesn't help. When I try to install them directly it tells me that they have no availabel version [15:25] but xfce-panel is not enough [15:25] any ideas? [15:26] TheSheep: what else would I need (it installed all kinds of dependencies) [15:30] AlexCONRAD you need xfce-session [15:30] and you need a window manager [15:30] Stroganoff: ok, i'll install that [15:31] the 'xfce4' metapackage should contain all you need, and some more [15:31] Stroganoff: i installed thunar already. [15:32] xfdesktop may be handy [15:32] AlexCONRAD thunar is a file browser [15:32] window manager examples: xfwm4 (used by xfce), openbox, fluxbox, icewm [15:32] icewm brings it's own panel though [15:32] Stroganoff: I see. I guess that makes the pretty icons, right ? [15:33] a window manager manages windows. move, resize, maximize, minimize... [15:38] heh, I broke something I guess, I seem to be running xfce, but I have an empty screen with the menu that contains nothing (icon of some kind of sun), and i can only right click to see its properties and customize panel [15:38] AlexCONRAD: you need to install panel plugins [15:38] AlexCONRAD: by itself panel contains nothing [15:39] ok :) [15:39] well, how can I get my command line back ? :p [15:39] search synaptic for xfce plugin [15:39] alt+f2 [15:39] and type xterm [15:39] you migth want to install xfce4-terminal [15:40] yes [15:40] alt+F2 doesn't do anything [15:40] heh, I guess I'll just reinstall the box in minimal, and restart from there [15:41] I'm installing a xubuntu minimal box, and want to add xfce on top, without the whole things I don't need, games, and others. I only want a browser (meant for kiosk mode) [15:42] and I have a few boxes to setup, so I did some preseeding to automate the install: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect minimal, openssh-server [15:50] ok, I'm back on a clean box with minimal install [15:53] at the minimum, you need xfce4-session and xfwm4 [15:53] so basicly: sudo apt-get install gdm xfce4-terminal xfce-session xfwm4 thunar firefox [15:53] could get me going [15:54] you don't really need thunar [15:54] alrigh [15:54] if it's a kioks, you probably don't want it [15:54] kiosk [15:54] it is yes [15:54] xfce has some kiosk options for locking it up [15:54] firefox has some too [15:54] google should help [15:55] in extreme case, you could just start firefox instead of a window manager, in fullscreen [15:55] I'd need xserver-xorg also I suppose, and xbase-fonts === maxamillion is now known as notMax [15:56] no, I still want them to have a desktop. I might have other apps available from the desktop [15:56] then you also need xfdesktop [15:56] ah good to know... [15:57] and xfce4-panel for the panel, and some panel plugins [15:57] thunar if you want them to browse files [15:58] maybe for their USB key yes [15:59] doesn't xfce have a file browser? Or is thunar the one? [16:01] thunar is the one [16:01] it also has some plugins [16:02] i saw that, like archive plug and so [16:03] thunar-volman? Thunar extension for volumes management [16:03] that could help for usb keys I guess [16:07] I'll install pulseaudio as well, for having sound with flash/youtube [16:43] okay, I'm a little better now: build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal thunar thunar-archive-plugin firefox [16:44] I still have the menu bar wrong, its still empty [16:44] and the icons are like white papers... I may be missing some theme [17:00] * cody-somerville nods. [17:03] AlexCONRAD: xubuntu-default-settings [17:03] fixes empty menu bar and whatnot [17:05] Stroganoff: thanks, I'll try that [17:07] btw. you dont need pulseaudio for music+youtube, alsa with dmix suffices (in most cases anyway) [17:08] Stroganoff: any idea in which package the "autostarted application" can be ? [17:09] maybe this one: [17:09] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce4-utils [17:09] ah yeah [17:11] Stroganoff: ah great, xubuntu-default-settings makes it look nicer! [17:11] i'll install the utils now, and try to find where the icons are, in a theme probably [17:12] tango [17:12] or rodent [17:12] i prefer tango [17:13] oh, utils was installed already === notMax is now known as maxamillion [17:20] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce4 [17:36] Stroganoff: when I do that apt-get install xfce4, I'm getting an error it's not found. I guess that's not on the CDROM [17:36] i only have cdrom [17:37] but i'll install everything from what's listed here [17:41] Hello. I just restarted my computer, and for some reason after I login in the GDM prompt, the desktop appears all garbled and there is no xfce4-panel, no xfce4-desktop and I can't start any programs in the X session because when I do try (DISPLAY=:0) the programs say that no protocol was specified. [17:41] Can anyone help please? [17:43] I did try apt-get purge xfce4-session and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (it got uninstalled together with xfce4-session). [17:45] Please? Anyone? [17:53] man, these guys are in a hurry, heh ? [17:56] attention span of a mayfly [17:57] ooh, something shiny! [18:00] * AlexCONRAD is respining a xubuntu CD with tasks "minimal, openssh-server" and packages: build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal xubuntu-default-settings xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra tango-icon-theme thunar thunar-archive-plugin firefox [18:00] i think it's going to rock [18:01] light install, and still looks visually nice [18:01] :) [18:01] Stroganoff: and I prefer tango after comparaison ;) [18:01] I once had to prepare a really light kiosk install for a terminal [18:02] but I couldn't use xubuntu, as it only had 256MB flash drive [18:02] ah yeah [18:02] AlexCONRAD, next time you need a light install (and have net access) try this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631 [18:02] i have 250GB disk here, with 512RAM [18:03] TheSheep as I understand ubuntu CLI install takes 600mb disk [18:04] Stroganoff: yes, that's why I had to use Archy and cut it up badly [18:05] 600 megs ?! [18:05] also, squashfs helps [18:05] AlexCONRAD: yes, *buntus are huge [18:05] AlexCONRAD: they basically contain everything the user might ever need, from hardware point of view [18:06] ok, install done (takes about 5 to 8 minutes, I never really counted) [18:06] AlexCONRAD: and languages, and locales, and drivers, etc. [18:06] AlexCONRAD: why firefox? [18:06] Myrtti: what would you recommand ? [18:08] epiphany, dillo, kazehakase(though with a warning that there's a bug in it that makes it virtually unconfigurable) [18:09] everybody knows and loves firefox [18:09] Myrtti: well, I guess FF makes it familiar to users ... i don't know, its the only one i'm using my self and I'm for sure not going to have IE running (is that even possible?) [18:10] AlexCONRAD: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ [18:10] AlexCONRAD: extremely handly for a web developer [18:10] TheSheep: everybody should slowly start loving epiphany [18:11] Myrtti: as soon as it comes with webkit backend [18:11] TheSheep: AlexCONRAD: note that ies4linux isn't actively developed [18:11] Myrtti: and has a decent adblocker that I can actually control [18:11] ok, my setup looks good now... only I'm still missing some smoothness. Buttons still look very square-ish [18:11] true [18:11] with a hard black shadow [18:12] AlexCONRAD: you need the murrina gtk theme [18:12] AlexCONRAD, try gtk2-theme-switch [18:12] AlexCONRAD: the theme engine [18:14] I find none of those on the CD [18:15] sudo aptitude search murrina; sudo aptitude search switch [18:15] murrine [18:15] sorry [18:15] one is plural one is singular, not sure which is which [18:18] installing gtk2-engines-murrine did the trick, thanks [18:18] great! [18:19] I guess I'm also missing some fonts... under gdm typing the password shows funny characters [18:20] ttf-dejavu [18:21] i'll try that TheSheep, thanks [18:21] you guys are super experts :) [18:32] last but not least, the default mouse cursor theme used by xubuntu's missing [18:35] got it: dmz-cursor-theme [18:48] what is the serial port usualy named?/How can I see the name of my serial port? [18:50] /dev/ttyS0 [18:51] thanks === |hfsdo| is now known as hfsdo [19:40] Hello, i have some problem to connect my GPS (a Garmin GPS 12) to my laptop with a serial interface. Looks like it's not sending any data. cat /dev/ttyS0 shows nothing [19:46] N1ghtCrawler are you sure you have the device enabled for rs232 mode? [19:46] the device as in my gps? [19:47] yes [19:47] perhaps the device has a "turn on serial output" option [19:48] humm, I'll se if i find something in the manual [19:50] Humm, maby i found something [19:55] I found a menu where I could set protocols. Set it to NEMA [19:59] How many baud is a standard seraial port talking at? [20:00] isn't it 115kbps? [20:05] nvm i'm askink questions and don't have any idea what i'm asking for [20:05] reciving data from the gps now :) [20:06] I had to change protocol on my gps [20:09] :-) [20:28] I edited /etc/hosts but the domain name I entered is still resolving to the old (real) address, how do I dump the dns cache? [20:33] thinkmassive: how are you testing that the name resolves? [20:34] heh nevermind, I didn't realize host actually asked the DNS server [20:34] I was confused why ping was aimed at the correct IP but host was not [20:34] that was gonna tell ya. [20:37] load testing is fun [20:58] I do not think iptables is started in eeexubuntu, is it ? [20:59] I don't think it's started in any xubuntu by default [21:01] errr. [21:01] so they've taken it from the kernel? [21:02] huh? [21:03]