[00:00] <lc2> darkcrab: stupid questions, but 1) did you replace all references to transmission 2) did you restart firefox
[00:00] <darkcrab> hmmm
[00:00] <darkcrab> one sec
[00:04] <node_6> ShiroUsagi:  all up
[00:08] <darkcrab> yea lc2, its all set, but its not working
[00:08] <lc2> well, what the crap
[00:15] <ArthurArchnix> darkcrab: Are you still working on your transmission thing?
[00:15] <darkcrab> yea
[00:15] <darkcrab> no luck
[00:16] <ArthurArchnix> Yeah... I told you. It's buggy software right now. Try creating a new profile. Alt+F2 then firefox -P create new. Get it working. then go into old profile and copy over your bookmarks.
[00:17] <darkcrab> kk
[00:19] <ShiroUsagi> node_6, The sound system in Hardy was changed to Pulseaudio, might also be helpful to look in that direction, try using one of those: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#RelatedSoftware
[00:31] <KuroUsagi> Oh, It hangs at last...
[00:33] <KuroUsagi> I don`t see any pattern in these occurances.
[00:36] <lc2> KuroUsagi: :\
[00:37] <cody-somerville> :]
[00:38] <KuroUsagi> It looks like a problem with xfwm, but everything refreshes, and the panel is unresponsive too... Really puzzled here.
[00:40] <lc2> KuroUsagi: me too
[00:40] <lc2> did you get this problem with whatever you were using before?
[00:42] <KuroUsagi> Nope. I believe it started after upgrading to Hardy. And as for Xfce, I was rarely using it, mostly sticking with Gnome.
[00:42] <lc2> does gnome do that as well?
[00:42] <KuroUsagi> No, it has its own problems :)
[00:47] <lc2> i haven't a clue :\
[00:53] <KuroUsagi> The strange thing is: it reacts to ctrl+alt+f1-etc, and c+a+backspace, caps- num- scroll- locks, but none of the other keystrokes.
[00:54] <lc2> hm :(
[00:54] <KuroUsagi> Something is receiving them and deliberately ignoring...
[01:04] <KuroUsagi> Erm... Does it suppose to have 62 console-kit-daemon processes running?..
[01:06] <KuroUsagi> Oh, it`s a registered bug...
[01:07] <lc2> haha wtf
[01:07] <KuroUsagi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/148454
[01:10] <KuroUsagi> Just a confusion, or whatever.
[01:10] <taza> Anyone got a complete newbie faq for getting new themes?
[01:11] <cody-somerville> You just download the theme and extra it to .themes/ in your home directory.
[01:11] <taza> Exactly. Complete newbie style?
[01:12] <taza> I mean, to begin with, what style of themes affect what?
[01:12] <taza> I'm pretty sure I can do all this myself if I just had a document explaining all the terms and causes in detail.
[01:13] <KuroUsagi> An example theme-creation-kit?
[01:13] <cody-somerville> taza, and now you're confusing me and I'm a developer :P
[01:13] <taza> No, I just want a newbie's introduction to what themes are, what themes are what and how do they all interlock.
[01:14] <taza> What are GTK themes for and what are Xfce themes for, to begin with
[01:14] <KuroUsagi> http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/
[01:14] <KuroUsagi> Like.. this?
[01:15] <taza> Most certainly not.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> There is no such thing as an "Xfce theme"
[01:15] <cody-somerville> An "Xfce theme" is a GTK theme.
[01:16] <taza> KuroUsagi: I understand *nothing* from that site. I mean, I could use my graphical skills and my programming skills to create something there but I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it.
[01:17] <taza> I wasn't asking for a "complete newbie" guide for nothing
[01:17] <taza> For I have no understanding of the terminology and how they actually work.
[01:18] <lc2> well you know what GTK is
[01:18] <lc2> everything's simple english from there
[01:18] <taza> Yeah, right.
[01:19] <KuroUsagi> Basicalli it`s just pictures of buttons and decorations all stacked together, with some text describing what goes where... Or.. is it not?
[01:20] <taza> No, it's not
[01:20] <KuroUsagi> *lly
[01:20] <taza> And lc2, that must be obviously some new usage of of the word 'simple' I was previously unaware of.
[01:20] <taza> To begin with, I do not know the components and what component affects what.
[01:21] <taza> I know GTK+ is a widget library for GUIs, and uh, I have no idea how it's used in Xfce4
[01:21] <cody-somerville> Do you know what a widget is, taza?
[01:21] <lc2> taza: all xfce's menus, taskbars, etc are drawn using GTK
[01:21] <taza> lc2: Thanks, now we're getting to where we want to be.
[01:22] <KuroUsagi> Why don`t you take a ready made theme, and start by altering it. Then you can notice the changes with your own eyes.
[01:22] <lc2> in the case of window decorations (titlebars etc), it inherits some properties from the GTK theme, and others from the xfce decoration theme
[01:22] <taza> I presume the theme howto applies only to the window decoration theme?
[01:22] <lc2> taza: yes
[01:22] <taza> So basically if I want to change colours and such I'm looking for a GTK theme.
[01:22] <lc2> taza: depends on what you want to change the colours of
[01:22] <taza> And if I want to change titlebars and window borders I want a xfce window decoration theme
[01:23] <lc2> pretty much
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Xfce theme [01:23] <taza> Yeah, that was the part I was in the dark of.
[01:23] <taza> No.
[01:23] <lc2> no
[01:23] <taza> What's called a xfce theme is a xfce window decoration theme.
[01:24] <taza> It all makes sense once I got that one critical part down.
[01:24] <KuroUsagi> Well, people sometimes refer to copiers as xerox...
[01:24] <lc2> taza: bear in mind that with some window decoration themes, colours and so on are inherited from the GTK theme
[01:25] <taza> lc2: Yeah, but I'm not looking for an another window decoration theme
[01:25] <taza> My problem is that xfce4-dusk is too dark for my screen in some conditions
[01:27] <lc2> sec
[01:30] <KuroUsagi> I give up... Back to Gnome for the time being... Although I really like the concept behind Xfce.
[01:30] <lc2> ;\
[01:31] <taza> Back to gnome from xfce?
[01:31] <taza> Why on earth would you do something like that?
[01:31] <KuroUsagi> Yeah.
[01:32] <taza> I'm using xfce just because I don't have space for the better stuff
[01:32] <lc2> i'm trying to find the global gtk themes directory and i have no clue
[01:32] <taza> And I don't mean KDE even if I do think it's better than Gnome. I mean wmii etc.
[01:33] <taza> Split workspaces. <3 <3 <3
[01:33] <lc2> oh
[01:33] <lc2> /usr/share/themes/
[01:33] <KuroUsagi> Because Xfce stops responding to my keyboard and mouse after some usage time...
[01:33] <lc2> poke around in there to find Dusk
[01:33] <taza> Well I can just extract it to .themes too
[01:33] <lc2> taza: you may find it easier to tweak your existing theme, if you find it too dark, than to do another
[01:34] <KuroUsagi> And, personally, I find KDE inferior to both Xfce and Gnome, but that`s just me.
[01:34] <taza> KuroUsagi: Ever tried a split workspace window manager?
[01:34] <taza> I mean, it's a function I think all of them should have
[01:34] <KuroUsagi> Never really had to split.
[01:34] <taza> But alas, I have 800x480 resolution, so no split workspaces for me. ;_;
[01:35] <lc2> taza: /usr/share/themes/Xfce-dusk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[01:35] <KuroUsagi> But doesn`t Gnome provide one?
[01:35] <taza> Not sure.
[01:35] <lc2> taza: 800x600? why?
[01:35] <taza> Xfce doesn't, I'm pretty sure.
[01:35] <taza> lc2: Not 800x600. 800x480.
[01:35] <lc2> wtf
[01:35] <lc2> !
[01:36] <KuroUsagi> eeePC or something
[01:36] <taza> Yup, EeePC
[01:36] <lc2> cool
[01:36] <taza> I mean, I'd still so love split workspaces.
[01:36] <taza> But Xfce is just so much more practical for a screen of this size
[01:37] <TheSheep> Jef Raskin claimed this screen size is optimal for working with text
[01:38] <TheSheep> his Cat had such a tiny screen too
[01:40] <thinkmassive> ick that's why I haven't taken the eeepc dive yet
[01:40] <thinkmassive> 480 is usable on something the size of a phone
[01:41] <taza> It's usable for everything but gaming and image editing
[01:41] <thinkmassive> not to rip on your eee, I still want one
[01:41] <thinkmassive> how many lines is that in a shell?
[01:42] <taza> Mabbe 20
[01:42] <thinkmassive> I would use the term tolerable, as opposed to usable
[01:42] <taza> It's usable
[01:42] <thinkmassive> the TRS-80 was usable too
[01:42] <taza> Aye
[01:43] <thinkmassive> I suppose for the price it's alright
[01:43] <taza> But you can game with the Eee too
[01:43] <ShiroUsagi> I still don`t get the need of split workspaces on EeePC.
[01:43] <taza> NWN1 works just fine
[01:43] <thinkmassive> hehe cool
[01:43] <taza> I want a split-in-the-half for coding
[01:43] <taza> My coding uses a lot of magic numbers and formulas.
[01:43] <ShiroUsagi> Open two windows and align them nicely :)
[01:43] <wers> what's the difference between lower window and hide window?
[01:44] <thinkmassive> my coding uses a lot of magic formulas and potions
[01:45] <taza> Well I code potions.
[01:45] <taza> Literally.
[01:46] <ShiroUsagi> And an enchanted fly swatter of perfect perception.
[01:46] <thinkmassive> taza: homebrew? or chem e?
[01:46] <taza> thinkmassive: RPG's
[01:46] <Maxwell6643> Hello
[01:46] <thinkmassive> taza: hah very good
[01:47] <Maxwell6643> Anyone know where I can find a list of ALL the abbreviations for keyboard layouts?
[01:49] <lc2> /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst is a good start
[01:50] <Maxwell6643> Ty.
[01:50] <Maxwell6643> And is there a convenient default keyboard shortcut to open up terminal in Xubuntu?
[01:51] <lc2> nope
[01:51] <lc2> also, hi again, i just remembered you
[01:52] <Maxwell6643> Hello :)
[01:52] <taza> Alsosleep
[01:52] <taza> 3am
[01:52] <lc2> oh
[01:52] <Maxwell6643> I for some reason (perhaps school, perhaps the large amount of THC ingested yesterday, I do not know) cannot remember how to open up a text file to edit it in the text editor.
[01:52] <lc2> settings manager, keyboard
[01:52] <Maxwell6643> (from terminal)
[01:52] <lc2> under "shortcuts"
[01:52] <lc2> add a new theme, then add your shortcut
[01:53] <Maxwell6643> Ty.
[01:53] <lc2> command should be xfce4-terminal
[01:53] <lc2> and anyway
[01:53] <lc2> your question is begging for a holy war about which is the correct text editor to use
[01:55] <ShiroUsagi> "Real programmers use butterflies…"
[02:04] <ShiroUsagi> Oh, well, 5 am here. Might as well get some sleep. Thanks for all the efforts, I`ll try to trace it better next time. Best of luck!
[02:05] <lc2> bye ShiroUsagi
[06:35] <skittles> hello there
[06:37] <lc2> O HAY BUDY
[08:14] <Abominus69> Hello, I am trying to share a folder so a Windows PC can view it.  I set up sharing and the Windows PC can see the folder, however it says I don't have permission to connect to it.  The folder currently only has my Xubuntu username as ownership.
[08:17] <Myrtti> use smbpasswd to create passwords - samba user rights are separate from the system user rights
[08:22] <Abominus69> Isn't there a way to just say share this folder to anyone without passwords?
[08:23] <Abominus69> In other words, have no security settings on the shared folder.
[08:25] <Myrtti> umm
[08:25] <Myrtti> sure
[08:26] <Myrtti> I've personally done it with editing the samba configuration file myself
[08:33] <cody-somerville> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#head-d2b25687b553d3737873748f613fb60558db7c4d
[08:37] <Abominus69> Thanks, I'll give that a whirl.
[11:40] <powerpleb_> does anyone know whether it's possible to have the places menu plugin in the Applications menu?
[11:45] <TheSheep> it's not
[11:55] <powerpleb_> ok thnx
[11:58] <slaine_> Hey guys, was directed here from the #xfce channel
[11:58]  * gnomefreak waits
[11:58] <slaine_> Having a problem with the terminal application on my fresh Xunbuntu 8.04 installation
[11:58] <slaine_> You can see it here
[11:58] <slaine_> http://slaine.org/files/xubuntu_terminal.png
[11:59] <gnomefreak> slaine_: have you filed a bug on Launchpad.net?
[11:59] <slaine_> I don't know if it's a bug yet, now do I.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> slaine_: ummmm what is wrong with it?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> it looks normal here
[11:59] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: the black borders?
[11:59] <slaine_> The borders are not drawn, they're black
[11:59] <gnomefreak> slaine_: ah
[11:59] <Myrtti> is that only a terminal bug?
[12:00] <Myrtti> all the other apps work fine?
[12:00] <slaine_> It only happens with terminal (but it's sub windows like Help/About etc. have the same issue)
[12:00] <slaine_> Yes, all other apps I've tried so far work fine
[12:00] <Myrtti> so it's a bug between xfce4-terminal and xfwm, if I understand correctly
[12:01] <Myrtti> is this normal xubuntu, not eeexubuntu or ppc?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: good point :)
[12:02] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: been around too long not to know the right questions :-P
[12:02] <slaine_> Yes, it's normal xubuntu install
[12:02] <gnomefreak> that wasnt good :(
[12:02] <gnomefreak> it crashes here
[12:02] <Myrtti> xfce4-terminal?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> xterm4 crashes here
[12:03] <gnomefreak> slaine_: what theme are you using?
[12:03] <slaine_> About lists it as Terminal 0.2.8
[12:03] <gnomefreak> this works fine in gnome with xterm
[12:03] <slaine_> I'm not using gnome
[12:03] <slaine_> and it happens regardless of theme
[12:04] <gnomefreak> sorry it was xfterm4 that crashed here
[12:04] <gnomefreak> but i expect that
[12:05] <gnomefreak> the reason i ask about theme is because the gnome default theme doesnt show this issue here so maybe its the default theme on xfce that is causing this
[12:05] <slaine_> It was just suggested to disable composite explicitly in xorg.conf by the xfce guys. I'll give that a go later
[12:05] <gnomefreak> i am unable to change to xfce at this time
[12:05] <slaine_> I've changed the bit depth to 16 too and still the same problem
[12:06] <gnomefreak> slaine_: that could be the issue since its using compiz not default WM
[12:06] <slaine_> I'm not using compiz
[12:06] <Myrtti> composite in xubuntu is done with compiz?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i thought it was
[12:07] <Myrtti> I've got no idea
[12:07] <gnomefreak> only kde4 doesnt use it afaik they have their own in kde4
[12:08] <slaine_> Yeah, the compositor is disabled via the Window Manager Tweaks app
[12:08] <gnomefreak> xubuntu doesnt have it enabled by default?
[12:08] <Myrtti> not that I know of
[12:08] <gnomefreak> once the right drivers are found ofcourse
[12:09]  * gnomefreak doesnt touch compiz other than to run tests on new software and bugs
[12:17] <slaine_> Yes, and I don't have a driver that's capable
[12:18] <slaine_> But it looks like Terminal application is expecting it to be there
[12:18] <slaine_> This is a right pain, as I use terminals a lot
[12:29] <slaine_> Ok, disabling composite explicitly via the xorg.conf file solved the problem
[12:32] <Myrtti> file a bug of it anyway
[14:06] <thinkmassive> any recommendations on a fast lightweight image viewer?
[14:06] <thinkmassive> it's annoying to open gimp everytime I want to preview an image
[14:09] <cody-somerville> Ristretto
[14:10] <thinkmassive> quick startup time?
[14:10] <thinkmassive> oh nice, I didn't even realize that's installed by default
[14:10] <thinkmassive> thanks cody-somerville
[14:42] <The-Kernel> !yelp
[14:42] <The-Kernel> !info yelp
[15:24] <AlexCONRAD> hi, installed xfce-panel and gdm, but when booting up, it seems to be an old X environement
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> how can I make gdm to start xfce during boot ?
[15:25] <TheSheep> you can select it in the 'sessions' menu at the login
[15:25] <age6racer> Hi all, I dont seem to be able to install Restricted-Manager or Restricted-Manager-core They are part of the jockey package but reinstalling that doesn't help. When I try to install them directly it tells me that they have no availabel version
[15:25] <TheSheep> but xfce-panel is not enough
[15:25] <age6racer> any ideas?
[15:26] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: what else would I need (it installed all kinds of dependencies)
[15:30] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD you need xfce-session
[15:30] <Stroganoff> and you need a window manager
[15:30] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: ok, i'll install that
[15:31] <TheSheep> the 'xfce4' metapackage should contain all you need, and some more
[15:31] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: i installed thunar already.
[15:32] <TheSheep> xfdesktop may be handy
[15:32] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD thunar is a file browser
[15:32] <Stroganoff> window manager examples: xfwm4 (used by xfce), openbox, fluxbox, icewm
[15:32] <Stroganoff> icewm brings it's own panel though
[15:32] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: I see. I guess that makes the pretty icons, right ?
[15:33] <Stroganoff> a window manager manages windows. move, resize, maximize, minimize...
[15:38] <AlexCONRAD> heh, I broke something I guess, I seem to be running xfce, but I have an empty screen with the menu that contains nothing (icon of some kind of sun), and i can only right click to see its properties and customize panel
[15:38] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: you need to install panel plugins
[15:38] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: by itself panel contains nothing
[15:39] <AlexCONRAD> ok :)
[15:39] <AlexCONRAD> well, how can I get my command line back ? :p
[15:39] <TheSheep> search synaptic for xfce plugin
[15:39] <TheSheep> alt+f2
[15:39] <TheSheep> and type xterm
[15:39] <TheSheep> you migth want to install xfce4-terminal
[15:40] <AlexCONRAD> yes
[15:40] <AlexCONRAD> alt+F2 doesn't do anything
[15:40] <AlexCONRAD> heh, I guess I'll just reinstall the box in minimal, and restart from there
[15:41] <AlexCONRAD> I'm installing a xubuntu minimal box, and want to add xfce on top, without the whole things I don't need, games, and others. I only want a browser (meant for kiosk mode)
[15:42] <AlexCONRAD> and I have a few boxes to setup, so I did some preseeding to automate the install: tasksel tasksel/first   multiselect     minimal, openssh-server
[15:50] <AlexCONRAD> ok, I'm back on a clean box with minimal install
[15:53] <TheSheep> at the minimum, you need xfce4-session and xfwm4
[15:53] <AlexCONRAD> so basicly: sudo apt-get install gdm xfce4-terminal xfce-session xfwm4 thunar firefox
[15:53] <AlexCONRAD> could get me going
[15:54] <TheSheep> you don't really need thunar
[15:54] <AlexCONRAD> alrigh
[15:54] <TheSheep> if it's a kioks, you probably don't want it
[15:54] <TheSheep> kiosk
[15:54] <AlexCONRAD> it is yes
[15:54] <TheSheep> xfce has some kiosk options for locking it up
[15:54] <TheSheep> firefox has some too
[15:54] <TheSheep> google should help
[15:55] <TheSheep> in extreme case, you could just start firefox instead of a window manager, in fullscreen
[15:55] <AlexCONRAD> I'd need xserver-xorg also I suppose, and xbase-fonts
[15:56] <AlexCONRAD> no, I still want them to have a desktop. I might have other apps available from the desktop
[15:56] <TheSheep> then you also need xfdesktop
[15:56] <AlexCONRAD> ah good to know...
[15:57] <TheSheep> and xfce4-panel for the panel, and some panel plugins
[15:57] <TheSheep> thunar if you want them to browse files
[15:58] <AlexCONRAD> maybe for their USB key yes
[15:59] <AlexCONRAD> doesn't xfce have a file browser? Or is thunar the one?
[16:01] <TheSheep> thunar is the one
[16:01] <TheSheep> it also has some plugins
[16:02] <AlexCONRAD> i saw that, like archive plug and so
[16:03] <AlexCONRAD> thunar-volman? Thunar extension for volumes management
[16:03] <AlexCONRAD> that could help for usb keys I guess
[16:07] <AlexCONRAD> I'll install pulseaudio as well, for having sound with flash/youtube
[16:43] <AlexCONRAD> okay, I'm a little better now: build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal thunar thunar-archive-plugin firefox
[16:44] <AlexCONRAD> I still have the menu bar wrong, its still empty
[16:44] <AlexCONRAD> and the icons are like white papers... I may be missing some theme
[17:00]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:03] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD: xubuntu-default-settings
[17:03] <Stroganoff> fixes empty menu bar and whatnot
[17:05] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: thanks, I'll try that
[17:07] <Stroganoff> btw. you dont need pulseaudio for music+youtube, alsa with dmix suffices (in most cases anyway)
[17:08] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: any idea in which package the "autostarted application" can be ?
[17:09] <Stroganoff> maybe this one:
[17:09] <Stroganoff> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce4-utils
[17:09] <AlexCONRAD> ah yeah
[17:11] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: ah great, xubuntu-default-settings makes it look nicer!
[17:11] <AlexCONRAD> i'll install the utils now, and try to find where the icons are, in a theme probably
[17:12] <Stroganoff> tango
[17:12] <Stroganoff> or rodent
[17:12] <Stroganoff> i prefer tango
[17:13] <AlexCONRAD> oh, utils was installed already
[17:20] <Stroganoff> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce4
[17:36] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: when I do that apt-get install xfce4, I'm getting an error it's not found. I guess that's not on the CDROM
[17:36] <AlexCONRAD> i only have cdrom
[17:37] <AlexCONRAD> but i'll install everything from what's listed here
[17:41] <FreeFull> Hello. I just restarted my computer, and for some reason after I login in the GDM prompt, the desktop appears all garbled and there is no xfce4-panel, no xfce4-desktop and I can't start any programs in the X session because when I do try (DISPLAY=:0) the programs say that no protocol was specified.
[17:41] <FreeFull> Can anyone help please?
[17:43] <FreeFull> I did try apt-get purge xfce4-session and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (it got uninstalled together with xfce4-session).
[17:45] <FreeFull> Please? Anyone?
[17:53] <AlexCONRAD> man, these guys are in a hurry, heh ?
[17:56] <TheSheep> attention span of a mayfly
[17:57] <TheSheep> ooh, something shiny!
[18:00]  * AlexCONRAD is respining a xubuntu CD with tasks "minimal, openssh-server" and packages: build-essential gdm xfonts-base xserver-xorg xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal xubuntu-default-settings xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra tango-icon-theme thunar thunar-archive-plugin firefox
[18:00] <AlexCONRAD> i think it's going to rock
[18:01] <AlexCONRAD> light install, and still looks visually nice
[18:01] <TheSheep> :)
[18:01] <AlexCONRAD> Stroganoff: and I prefer tango after comparaison ;)
[18:01] <TheSheep> I once had to prepare a really light kiosk install for a terminal
[18:02] <TheSheep> but I couldn't use xubuntu, as it only had 256MB flash drive
[18:02] <AlexCONRAD> ah yeah
[18:02] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD, next time you need a light install (and have net access) try this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[18:02] <AlexCONRAD> i have 250GB disk here, with 512RAM
[18:03] <Stroganoff> TheSheep as I understand ubuntu CLI install takes 600mb disk
[18:04] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: yes, that's why I had to use Archy and cut it up badly
[18:05] <AlexCONRAD> 600 megs ?!
[18:05] <TheSheep> also, squashfs helps
[18:05] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: yes, *buntus are huge
[18:05] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: they basically contain everything the user might ever need, from hardware point of view
[18:06] <AlexCONRAD> ok, install done (takes about 5 to 8 minutes, I never really counted)
[18:06] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: and languages, and locales, and drivers, etc.
[18:06] <Myrtti> AlexCONRAD: why firefox?
[18:06] <AlexCONRAD> Myrtti: what would you recommand ?
[18:08] <Myrtti> epiphany, dillo, kazehakase(though with a warning that there's a bug in it that makes it virtually unconfigurable)
[18:09] <TheSheep> everybody knows and loves firefox
[18:09] <AlexCONRAD> Myrtti: well, I guess FF makes it familiar to users ... i don't know, its the only one i'm using my self and I'm for sure not going to have IE running (is that even possible?)
[18:10] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/
[18:10] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: extremely handly for a web developer
[18:10] <Myrtti> TheSheep: everybody should slowly start loving epiphany
[18:11] <TheSheep> Myrtti: as soon as it comes with webkit backend
[18:11] <Myrtti> TheSheep: AlexCONRAD: note that ies4linux isn't actively developed
[18:11] <TheSheep> Myrtti: and has a decent adblocker that I can actually control
[18:11] <AlexCONRAD> ok, my setup looks good now... only I'm still missing some smoothness. Buttons still look very square-ish
[18:11] <Myrtti> true
[18:11] <AlexCONRAD> with a hard black shadow
[18:12] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: you need the murrina gtk theme
[18:12] <Stroganoff> AlexCONRAD, try gtk2-theme-switch
[18:12] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: the theme engine
[18:14] <AlexCONRAD> I find none of those on the CD
[18:15] <AlexCONRAD> sudo aptitude search murrina; sudo aptitude search switch
[18:15] <TheSheep> murrine
[18:15] <TheSheep> sorry
[18:15] <TheSheep> one is plural one is singular, not sure which is which
[18:18] <AlexCONRAD> installing gtk2-engines-murrine did the trick, thanks
[18:18] <AlexCONRAD> great!
[18:19] <AlexCONRAD> I guess I'm also missing some fonts... under gdm typing the password shows funny characters
[18:20] <TheSheep> ttf-dejavu
[18:21] <AlexCONRAD> i'll try that TheSheep, thanks
[18:21] <AlexCONRAD> you guys are super experts :)
[18:32] <AlexCONRAD> last but not least, the default mouse cursor theme used by xubuntu's missing
[18:35] <AlexCONRAD> got it: dmz-cursor-theme
[18:48] <N1ghtCrawler> what is the serial port usualy named?/How can I see the name of my serial port?
[18:50] <siggjen>  /dev/ttyS0
[18:51] <N1ghtCrawler> thanks
[19:40] <N1ghtCrawler> Hello, i have some problem to connect my GPS (a Garmin GPS 12) to my laptop with a serial interface. Looks like it's not sending any data. cat /dev/ttyS0 shows nothing
[19:46] <MrNaz> N1ghtCrawler are you sure you have the device enabled for rs232 mode?
[19:46] <N1ghtCrawler> the device as in my gps?
[19:47] <MrNaz> yes
[19:47] <MrNaz> perhaps the device has a "turn on serial output" option
[19:48] <N1ghtCrawler> humm, I'll se if i find something in the manual
[19:50] <N1ghtCrawler> Humm, maby i found something
[19:55] <N1ghtCrawler> I found a menu where I could set protocols. Set it to NEMA
[19:59] <N1ghtCrawler> How many baud is a standard seraial port talking at?
[20:00] <lc2> isn't it 115kbps?
[20:05] <N1ghtCrawler> nvm i'm askink questions and don't have any idea what i'm asking for
[20:05] <N1ghtCrawler> reciving data from the gps now :)
[20:06] <N1ghtCrawler> I had to change protocol on my gps
[20:09] <Myrtti> :-)
[20:28] <thinkmassive> I edited /etc/hosts but the domain name I entered is still resolving to the old (real) address, how do I dump the dns cache?
[20:33] <zoredache> thinkmassive: how are you testing that the name resolves?
[20:34] <thinkmassive> heh nevermind, I didn't realize host actually asked the DNS server
[20:34] <thinkmassive> I was confused why ping was aimed at the correct IP but host was not
[20:34] <zoredache> that was gonna tell ya.
[20:37] <thinkmassive> load testing is fun
[20:58] <socr> I do not think iptables is started in eeexubuntu, is it ?
[20:59] <thinkmassive> I don't think it's started in any xubuntu by default
[21:01] <Myrtti> errr.
[21:01] <Myrtti> so they've taken it from the kernel?
[21:02] <thinkmassive> huh?
[21:03] <Myrtti> iptables is built in the kernel I believe. you have it prolly in all of the linuxes, it just doesn't have any rules added to it, allowing all traffic
[21:05] <Myrtti> and if my babbling is confusing, please ignore
[21:07] <thinkmassive> I think that's correct
[21:07] <thinkmassive> on my centos boxes doing "service iptables stop" just turns off all the rules
[21:08] <Myrtti> so basically, if talking about standard *buntu*, you do have iptables on and started
[21:08] <Myrtti> but as said, it doesn't have any rules added per default.
[21:08] <thinkmassive> oh I see, socr might be asking if it's not even included in eeexubuntu
[21:09] <thinkmassive> that i do not know
[21:11] <socr> I think it is there, but indeed: no rules, allowing all.... weird...
[21:11] <zoredache> how is that weird?
[21:11] <socr> an open system by default ???
[21:11] <socr> rfeally...
[21:11] <socr> really...
[21:12] <zoredache> it is the same for any ubuntu.  But on the other hand there is no servers running by default so there is nothing to attack
[21:14] <socr> ok, true...  I found firestarter, it makes iptables rules.
[21:14] <socr> in /etc/firestarter
[21:21] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I just installed network-manager-gnome (which installed a bunch of deps), but I don't see anything in my menu
[21:22] <AlexCONRAD> I was expecting to have some "system" menu
[21:22] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: it normally adds itself to autostarted applications
[21:22] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: and sits in you systray
[21:22] <TheSheep> upir
[21:22] <TheSheep> your
[21:23] <AlexCONRAD> isn't that the graphical tool to let you control your network settings ?
[21:23] <Myrtti> if not, press alt-f2 and call for "nm-applet"
[21:23] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: no, that's network-admin
[21:24] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: part of gnome-system-tools
[21:24] <AlexCONRAD> and I don't find the xfce4 task manager in the CD. Is that normal?
[21:25] <TheSheep> yes, xubuntu uses the gnome system monitor instead, as it didn't add deps and is much more feature-rich
[21:43] <AlexCONRAD> my question might be odd and is not xubuntu specific related, but what's the diff between vmlinuz and initrd ?
[21:44] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: one contains the compressed kernel, the other contains initial root directory and initialization scripts
[21:44] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: they are then replaced with root mounted from the disk
[21:45] <AlexCONRAD> ok, I understood that if you uncompress - or look inside - initrd, you'll see something close to your system's structure, right ?
[21:45] <AlexCONRAD> then replaced ?
[21:46] <TheSheep> it's uncompressed into memory and used as the temporary root until your real root is mounted in its place
[21:46] <slow-motion> hi
[21:47] <TheSheep> good evening slow-motion
[21:47] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: I see.
[21:47] <AlexCONRAD> hi slow-motion
[21:47] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: it also contains scripts that detect hardware and mount that root and such
[21:47] <slow-motion> hi TheSheep, AlexCONRAD
[21:48] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: so there are two copies of these files ?
[21:51] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: what do you mean?
[21:52] <AlexCONRAD> so both are binary, and the version from the xubuntu CD is simply copied to your /boot folder during install. I'm asking these questions because the loaded network module (r8169 by default) is not the right one and it should be r8168 which is not provided with the distro. Drivers from Realtek and a patch for ubuntu (from the community) is available and I'd like to include this modification on the xubuntu CD i'm remastering for kiosk. But as it's
[21:52] <AlexCONRAD>  a module (not compiled in the kernel, thus not in vmlinuz), that module would live under initrd. So I'd need to rebluild the initrd.gz file and replace the one from the original ubuntu version.
[21:53] <TheSheep> no, modules are loaded much later
[21:53] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: you say that they are replaced when the disk is mounted. Meaning that there's a "boot" version, which is then replaced from the "disk" version
[21:54] <TheSheep> they live in /lib/modules
[21:54] <TheSheep> initrd only needs the modules for hard disks and raid arrays and such
[21:55] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: i understand
[21:55] <TheSheep> network modules are loaded much later, when the disk is already mounted
[21:55] <AlexCONRAD> but people who made the patch say to make it persistant, you need to mkinitrdfs
[21:56] <TheSheep> then I don't know
[21:56] <AlexCONRAD> but where does the vmlinuz and initrd live if the disk is not yet mounted ?
[21:57] <AlexCONRAD> where are they loaded from
[21:57] <AlexCONRAD> thanks for these info anyway, its helpful
[21:58] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: they are loaded by Grub from disk to memory
[21:59] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: grub remembers where they live on the disk, so it doesn't need all the fancy drivers
[21:59] <TheSheep> (I'm simplyfying here a little)
[22:14] <slow-motion> listen to german music http://radio4us.gamershome.org:8000/listen.pls
[22:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:41] <lsolesen> xfce does not allow me to lock the screen. and I do not want an ugly screensaver, just a locked screen with a login box. is that possible
[23:42] <TheSheep> install xlockmore
[23:43] <lsolesen> TheSheep: but it is an ugly screensaver :)
[23:44] <TheSheep> lsolesen: configure it
[23:46] <lsolesen> ok.
[23:49] <ArthurArchnix> you can't configure the xscreesaver?
[23:49] <Stroganoff> you can
[23:49] <ArthurArchnix> ok
[23:49] <Stroganoff> ~/.xscreensaver
[23:51] <ArthurArchnix> well that's a strange little file
[23:52] <ArthurArchnix> But it looks like I can maybe set a fortune from the fortunes program...
[23:52]  * ArthurArchnix gets a little excited...