[00:00] <apachelogger> Serega: is there a specific reason you are compating with debhelper 4?
[00:00] <apachelogger> yuriy: let me check
[00:01] <Serega> apachelogger: nope, just leaved
[00:01] <Serega> apachelogger: is there a way to determine that?
[00:01] <ScottK2> apachelogger: compat 4 is not deprecated so there's no reason to bump it unless the package actually needs a later version.
[00:02] <apachelogger> ScottK2: well it is a new package, so I see no reason to use it either
[00:02] <apachelogger> Serega: if you change it and the build breaks you know that you have to run in 4 compability mode ;-)
[00:03] <ScottK2> Artificially bumping version requirements is not generally a good thing.  All supported Ubuntu versions have Debhelper 5, so it really doesn't matter much.
[00:03] <Serega> =) how to change? increase/decrease?
[00:03] <Serega> so, guys, I set it to 5? right?
[00:03]  * Serega is confused
[00:04]  * Riddell wanders back from a hard night's rocking
[00:04] <ScottK2> Does the package actually need debhelper 5?
[00:04]  * Serega envys Riddell
[00:04] <apachelogger> yuriy: has to be changed to qt4-2
[00:04] <Serega> ScottK2: it builds with 4 very well
[00:04] <yuriy> apachelogger: ok, will do
[00:05] <ScottK2> My advice would be leave it, but your looking for apachelogger to advocate it, so I'd recommend doing what he says.
[00:05] <apachelogger> ScottK2: from a teching point of view I would now suggest bumping it ;-)
[00:06] <Serega> okay. Actually, I tend to ScottK2's approach
[00:06] <Serega> but will not argue
[00:06] <apachelogger> hehe
[00:06] <apachelogger> you are doing the packaging :P
[00:06] <Serega> :p
[00:06] <apachelogger> I am just here to take care you don't break anything
[00:08] <Serega> done
[00:08] <Serega> all done
[00:08] <apachelogger> Serega: what is the purpose of debian/qsynth.desktop?
[00:09] <Serega> apachelogger: oh... it's trash
[00:10] <Serega> I wonder where is debian/patched came from :-\
[00:11] <apachelogger> you probably run a debuild?
[00:11] <Serega> nevermind... just cleaned
[00:11] <apachelogger>   icon="/usr/share/pixmaps/qsynth.xpm"
[00:11] <Serega> yes, indeed
[00:11] <apachelogger> in debian/menu
[00:11] <apachelogger> you don't create the xpm file anywhere
[00:11] <Serega> oh...
[00:11] <Serega> can I specify png?
[00:12] <apachelogger> I doubt it
[00:12] <apachelogger> though, I am not a debian/menu specialist
[00:13] <Serega> \sh told xpm necessary for debian
[00:13] <apachelogger> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch3.html#s3.7
[00:13] <apachelogger> The icons should be in xpm format.
[00:13] <Serega> I will create debian/qsynth.xpm now
[00:14] <apachelogger> k
[00:14] <Riddell> .xpm doesn't matter for ubuntu
[00:14] <Riddell> or rather debian menu doesn't
[00:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: not even for fuxbox and stuff?
[00:14] <apachelogger> *fluxbox
[00:14] <Riddell> fluxbox should use the xdg standard like the rest of the world
[00:15] <apachelogger> well, should
[00:15] <apachelogger> anyway, Serega, you can drop the menu stuff if you want
[00:16] <Serega> apachelogger: where is this menu displayed?
[00:16] <Serega> synaptic/adept?
[00:16] <Riddell> it's not (unless you install xdg-menu, which we don't, dunno if debian does)
[00:17]  * apachelogger rebuilds kde-nightly-kdebase
[00:17] <ScottK2> OTOH, supporting Debian Menu in the package isn't bad and getting it right now will make it easier to get it into Debian later.
[00:17] <Riddell> true
[00:26] <Serega> I obey "man uscan" but get an error:
[00:26] <Serega> http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/qsynth/ failed: 500 read timeout
[00:26] <Serega> or warning...
[00:27] <ScottK2> The sourceforge stuff has been timing out a lot lately.  I shouldn't let it bother you if you've got it right.
[00:27] <Serega> http://sf.net/qsynth/qsynth-src-(.+)\.tar\.gz   debian  uupdate
[00:27] <Serega> must be ok
[00:28] <Serega> can I get public ftp somewhere in LP or else?
[00:39] <ryanakca> santiago-ve: pong
[00:40] <santiago-ve> ryanakca, any news from the sysadmins? about the website?
[00:41] <Serega> apachelogger: I'm ready to upload to revu
[00:42] <ryanakca> santiago-ve: I haven't heard back from Riddell yet, but my guess is no... We'll have to wait 'till Monday... or Tuesday... or July... some day hopefully :/
[00:43] <yuriy> I bet if Ubuntu wanted to install a new website they wouldn't have to wait for three months after the release
[00:45]  * Serega goes to sleep
[00:45] <Serega> see you all tomorrow
[00:45] <santiago-ve> Serega, this is the moment when i feel envy...
[00:45] <santiago-ve> :(
[00:46]  * santiago-ve hasnt slept... but only like 1 hr at work xD
[00:46] <Serega> santiago-ve: c'mon give a rest to your organism!
[00:47] <santiago-ve> Serega, will do, as soon as a meeting on #ubuntu-ve is over
[01:03] <yuriy> hmm any ideas? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15096624/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.kdebindings-kde4_4%3A4.0.5-0ubuntu1~hardy1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:03] <yuriy> I think I had that error locally as well when i ran debuild -j2, but then I ran debuild again and it was fine
[01:06] <yuriy> hmm ok I think other archs built though
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> don't worry about lpia.... who ises it anyway?
[01:07] <yuriy> which makes all the modules
[01:07] <yuriy> please test!
[01:07] <yuriy> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-updates-testing/ubuntu hardy main
[01:28] <ryanakca> How could one build knmap on a host without internet access? The manpage is in docbook format and http://paste.debian.net/5585/
[02:02] <jjesse> evening
[02:04] <stdin> yuriy: don't forget python-kde4
[02:10] <jjesse> wow some crazy thunderstorm tonight
[02:16] <RameTux> its morning here in indonesia :D
[04:18] <nixternal> !nixternal
[04:18] <crimsun> orly
[04:18] <nixternal> ya, now reply to my core-dev app, you are still a hero in my eyes :)
[04:19] <nixternal> !nixternal |nixternal
[04:19] <crimsun> eh, my correspondence really doesn't mean anything these days.  :)
[04:19] <nixternal> sure it does
[04:19] <nixternal> plus w/o them, my app gets kicked back :)
[07:00] <yuriy> stdin: python-kde4 was never backported for 4.0.4 either
[07:11] <mornfall> nixternal: Can I have the code, please? :)
[07:11] <nixternal> mornfall: what code?
[07:11] <mornfall> [17:47]     nixternal | #kubuntu-dev % I had created a plasmoid for adept notifier
[07:11] <nixternal> ahh ya, I gotta recreate that, *had* means I don't have it any more...I was in the wrong tty and accidentally purged the wrong directory
[07:11] <nixternal> it wasn't hard to create, nor did it take long either
[07:12] <mornfall> ... Ouch.
[07:12] <nixternal> I wish I would have still had it opened in Kate
[07:12] <nixternal> then I wouldn't have lost it
[07:13]  * Jucato wonders if nixternal should start aliasing rm to rm -i (or vice versa)
[07:13] <nixternal> hehe
[07:13] <Jucato> it's becoming a habit it seems :)
[07:13] <nixternal> I know have my ~/dev setup in svn
[07:14] <nixternal> ya, I had even started working with Plasma::Animator for the icon on update and checking update as well
[07:20] <nixternal_> hrmm
[07:20] <nixternal_> why does KDevelop hate me?
[07:21] <flaccid> Jucato: do you recommend any certain qt options for qt-copy
[07:21] <nixternal_> read the README.qt-copy
[07:21] <nixternal_> there is a configure portion towards the top that is good
[07:22] <flaccid> just wondering if anything outside of that..
[07:22] <flaccid> or in particular, but cheers!
[07:22] <flaccid> i have kde3 and kde4.1 pkgs on this system, just remove the kde4 pkgs before install and kde3 can remain?
[07:47] <flaccid> im trying to compile qt-copy with ./configure -qt-gif -debug -fast -no-exceptions -no-separate-debug-info -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -system-zlib -dbus -webkit -no-phonon -nomake examples -nomake demos -prefix $QTDIR and getting shift: 1779: can't shift that many , also $QTDIR appears to be blank
[07:56] <flaccid> wouldn't mind asking about the suggested script here which doesn't seem to be correct: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian
[08:09] <Jucato> flaccid: did you copy the sample .bashrc as instructed by the guide?
[08:09] <Jucato> you're supposed to be the one that sets $QTDIR
[08:11] <flaccid> must of overlooked that thanks
[08:12] <flaccid> ah i skipped over that for some reason heh
[09:07] <Serega> heya
[09:20] <\sh> apachelogger, pingeling quassel ... don't upload the package you prepared please...it's crashing in the settings dlg...I'm trying to address this somehow with a recent git checkout
[09:21] <\sh> .oO(or I just kick sput in his guts to fix it ;))
[09:21] <apachelogger> \sh: I'd go with the latter
[09:21] <apachelogger> \sh: but I think we should get the package in
[09:22] <\sh> apachelogger, if you can wait a couple of minutes...
[09:22] <apachelogger> otherwise I have to start waiting for accepting all over again instead of just uploading to the archive ;-)
[09:22] <apachelogger> \sh: it's already uploaded
[09:22] <\sh> argl
[09:22] <\sh> ok
[09:22] <\sh> ^^
[09:22] <\sh> let's update it then when it's out of NEW
[09:22] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:22] <apachelogger> makes more sense then rejecting and reuploading IMO
[09:23]  * apachelogger puts that issue on a knote
[09:23] <\sh> there are other things I'm trying to fix (I promised sput to do some work on it)
[09:23] <apachelogger> oh, nice :)
[09:23] <\sh> apachelogger, as well: channel listbox should be configurable (sorted / unsorted)
[09:24] <\sh> btw...it works well with dircproxy ;)
[09:24] <\sh> mirrors are updating...
[09:24] <apachelogger> hehe
[09:24] <apachelogger> oh
[09:24] <apachelogger> ah
[09:25] <\sh> kde4 trunk -> kdevelop new world order is building
[09:25] <apachelogger> \sh: btw, do you use a different kdehome for your trunk installation?
[09:25] <\sh> apachelogger, I switch to KDEs advice with a new user...
[09:25] <apachelogger> k
[09:25] <\sh> starting the crap now via Xinit
[09:25] <apachelogger> I squashed a super nasty issue last night
[09:26]  * \sh too
[09:26] <apachelogger> even though there is only one variable for kdehome nowadays
[09:26] <apachelogger> startkde was not using it in any way
[09:26] <\sh> ate too many onions...and a spider died passing me
[09:26] <apachelogger> but just assuming one wants to use .kde :S
[09:26] <apachelogger> \sh: ^_^
[09:26] <\sh> just joking ;)
[09:26] <apachelogger> \sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kde-nightly.ogg
[09:31] <\sh> damn
[09:32] <Serega> apachelogger: hey
[09:33] <apachelogger> hoy Serega
[09:33] <Serega> apachelogger: I'm going to upload now to the revu, ok?
[09:33] <apachelogger> sure
[09:33] <apachelogger> I am revuing right now anway :D
[09:33] <Serega> :)
[09:34] <Serega> btw, where are kde-nightly* packages? I have no such. Anyone's ppa?
[09:34] <apachelogger> they are in-development
[09:35] <apachelogger> *yawn*
[09:35] <\sh> apachelogger, btw...I do like the stripes in the oxygene window titlebar...I wonder how we can apply it again in kubuntu..
[09:36]  * \sh needs coffee
[09:36] <apachelogger> \sh: one of the amarok devs said the strips remind him on amiga :D
[09:36] <\sh> yes
[09:36] <\sh> but it really looks nice
[09:36] <apachelogger> though, I am more wondering how we can remove it again in kubuntu
[09:37] <\sh> much better then ozone with blue and the oxygen theme in total grey
[09:37] <\sh> apachelogger, in the ppa packages it's removed
[09:37] <apachelogger> \sh: 4.1 beta1?
[09:37] <\sh> apachelogger, yes
[09:37] <apachelogger> I think it wasn't in there
[09:37] <apachelogger> that is a quite new addition
[09:37]  * Nightrose doesnt like the blue
[09:37] <apachelogger> and a quite ugly one as well
[09:37] <\sh> apachelogger, the stripes?
[09:38] <apachelogger> \sh: yes
[09:38] <\sh> hmm
[09:38] <\sh> I want to have them ;)
[09:38] <apachelogger> well
[09:38] <Serega> woohoo! "Successfully uploaded packages"
[09:38] <\sh> Nightrose, the ozone + blue theme?
[09:38] <apachelogger> they are
[09:38] <apachelogger> too heavy
[09:38] <apachelogger> the thing is, one strip, going big in the center of the deco and very tiny on the edges
[09:38] <\sh> if it was kwwiis idea...he has the clue about the life, the universe and the style ;)
[09:38] <apachelogger> would probably look quite cool
[09:39] <apachelogger> but these 3 lines ...
[09:39] <Nightrose> \sh: yea the one in beta 1
[09:39] <\sh> Nightrose, this blue is crap
[09:39] <Nightrose> also i don't get 3 stripes but totally blue borders
[09:39] <apachelogger> plus they have an awkward effect in moving the expected window center
[09:39] <Nightrose> switched back to oxygen
[09:40] <apachelogger> when you look at the stripes, you will notice that the blue is stronger on the left half of the window
[09:40] <apachelogger> while the fading is longer on the right side
[09:40] <apachelogger> so you have a light effect in the very window center as a combination of oxygen deco + oxygen style
[09:41] <apachelogger> and a wrong window center created by the stripes in the deco
[09:41] <apachelogger> TBH this doesn't make the stripes look any better from my POV
[09:42] <\sh> apachelogger, but in general it looks better with something in the titlebar...only grey isn't fun and it gives us a nice different touch then mac
[09:42] <apachelogger> bug 231731
[09:42] <apachelogger> \sh: I agree on that, but the current approach is just not.... oxygen
[09:43] <\sh> kwwii, please fix ;)
[09:43] <apachelogger> Serega: oh, btw, did you file a needs-packaging bug?
[09:43] <apachelogger> kwwii: please fix
[09:44] <\sh> hmmm...it's a bit strange then I'm listening to a german group named Dschingis Khan?
[09:44] <\sh> yes it is
[09:44] <apachelogger> np: Justice - Stress (Auto Remix)
[09:44] <apachelogger> that is a fantastic remix
[09:45]  * apachelogger should port revu-report to ruby and make it work properly
[09:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: \sh: http://lydiapintscher.de/tmp/ozone.png
[09:45]  * \sh has a compilation here of a lot of 80ties music ;)
[09:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: IMO even that looks better than the stripes
[09:45] <\sh> Nightrose, the stripes are in oxygen and trunk...
[09:45] <\sh> nah
[09:46] <\sh> the blue scares me
[09:46] <\sh> it reminds me of my mental state
[09:46] <apachelogger> ^_^
[09:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please upgrade
[09:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nah ;-)
[09:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the neon sandbox for kde should b working once again
[09:46] <Nightrose> i will just stay with oxygen
[09:46] <Nightrose> ah cool
[09:46] <apachelogger> and you should get a session option in kdm
[09:47] <apachelogger> please check if everything works
[09:47] <Nightrose> by logging in?
[09:47] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:47] <Nightrose> i will not do that today
[09:47] <apachelogger> meh
[09:47] <apachelogger> why not?
[09:47] <Nightrose> no time to fix a broken system ;-)
[09:47] <Nightrose> sorry
[09:47] <apachelogger> well
[09:47] <apachelogger> use a different user?! :P
[09:48]  * apachelogger loves his VMs
[09:48] <Nightrose> hmmmm could do later
[09:48] <apachelogger> makes testing so much more easy
[09:54]  * \sh switches to trunk...now :)
[09:54] <\sh> brb
[09:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, you will have to install kde-nightly
[09:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i already have it installed ;-)
[09:58] <Nightrose> but why will i have to?
[09:58] <apachelogger> the package I mean
[09:58] <Nightrose> ah ok
[09:58] <apachelogger> it ships the xsession file and startneonkde
[09:58] <Nightrose> alright
[09:58] <Nightrose> off to shower - bbiab
[10:04] <Serega> apachelogger: no, I didn't. must I?
[10:05] <apachelogger> well
[10:05] <apachelogger> you should
[10:05] <apachelogger> but you don't have to as it is not a completely new package
[10:06]  * Serega is going to... well karma can't be enough ;)
[10:23] <\sh> yeeha...trunk is running
[10:28] <Arby> anybody got time to help me figure out why ktorrent won't build
[10:28] <Arby> the error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/17876/
[10:29] <Arby> the patch that fails to apply is http://paste.ubuntu.com/17877/
[10:29] <Arby> and I have no idea what the problem is
[10:30] <apachelogger> Serega: did you really dput to revu?
[10:30] <apachelogger> the package still didn't show up
[10:31] <Serega> apachelogger: yup, revu.ubuntuwire.com
[10:32] <apachelogger> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qsynth
[10:32] <apachelogger> nothing there
[10:32] <Riddell> Arby: does the changelog say what that patch is for?
[10:32] <Serega> apachelogger: here is a log of the upload: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17878/
[10:33] <Arby> Riddell: yes, hang on
[10:34] <Arby> Riddell: changelog http://paste.ubuntu.com/17880/
[10:34] <Arby> all of the problems I've hit have been related to the embedding of libbtcore
[10:34] <apachelogger> Serega: maybe revu is hungry and eating uploads ;-)
[10:34] <Serega> apachelogger: maybe retry?)
[10:34] <apachelogger> well
[10:34] <apachelogger> you should have a .upload file
[10:35] <apachelogger> what does thatone say?
[10:35] <Serega> apachelogger: all successfully
[10:35] <apachelogger> well
[10:36] <Riddell> Arby: looks like the patch can be safely removed, it's just there to hide the name so nothing else uses it
[10:36] <apachelogger> Serega: you could ask a revu admin to check
[10:36] <apachelogger> or we could just wait
[10:36] <Arby> Riddell: oh, ok
[10:36] <Arby> let me try to rebuild then
[10:39] <Serega> apachelogger: Im going to ask on #ubuntu-motu according to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[10:39] <apachelogger> Serega: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU somewhere at the bottom you find a list of revu admins
[10:40] <apachelogger> s/bottom/middle
[10:40] <Arby> Riddell: progress. new error now http://paste.ubuntu.com/17882/
[10:40] <Arby> Riddell: debian/rules has http://paste.ubuntu.com/17883/
[10:41] <Arby> which looks different to what I'm used to
[10:42] <Serega> apachelogger: let's wait for now, I'll be away for a hour though
[10:44] <Riddell> Arby: there must have been an error further up in the outpt
[10:44] <Arby> ok let me look
[10:45] <Arby> Riddell:
[10:45] <Arby> CMake Error at libbtcore/CMakeLists.txt:411 (add_subdirectory):
[10:45] <Arby>   add_subdirectory given source "cmake" which is not an existing directory.
[10:45] <apachelogger> Serega: sure
[10:47] <Arby> Riddell: the complete output is http://paste.ubuntu.com/17887/
[10:49] <Riddell> Arby: what's in libbtcore/CMakeLists.txt:411 ?
[10:50] <Arby> Riddell: line 411 is add_subdirectory(cmake)
[10:50] <Arby> do you want the whole file
[10:51] <Riddell> no
[10:52] <Riddell> Arby: do you have libbtcore/cmake/modules/FindBTCore.cmake ?
[10:53] <Arby> Riddell: no, there is no cmake directory under libbtcore.
[10:54] <Riddell> Arby: have you edited debian/patches/libbtcore/01_libbtcore_export.diff
[10:54] <Riddell> ?
[10:54] <Riddell> that's what should make libbtcore/cmake/modules/FindBTCore.cmake
[10:55] <Arby> Riddell: ahhh, I think that might be it. I read that as patching a file that didn't exist. my bad :(
[10:55] <Arby> let me try again with the original
[10:59] <Arby> Riddell: now we get http://paste.ubuntu.com/17894/
[10:59] <Arby> which is what made me think it was wrong in the first place
[11:03] <Riddell> Arby: hrm, I think upstream has changed things around since that patch was made
[11:04] <Riddell> Arby: just drop the patch for now, it shouldn't be needed if the package is keeping btcore private
[11:04] <Arby> Riddell: ok, rebuilding
[11:08] <Arby> looks promising
[11:10]  * Riddell holds breath
[11:12] <Arby> Riddell: probably not advisable given the speed of this machine :)
[11:13] <Arby> Riddell: assuming it builds what do I do next?
[11:13] <Arby> I seem to have totally bypassed debian
[11:13] <Arby> I thought that was bad
[11:18] <Arby> Riddell: arrgh fail http://paste.ubuntu.com/17914/
[11:18] <Arby> Riddell: the reason is that the package now has libbtcore.so.6
[11:19] <Riddell> Arby: this is progress indeed, it means it's all compiled
[11:19] <Riddell> Arby: edit debian/ktorrent.install
[11:19] <Riddell> debuild -nc
[11:19] <Arby> what does -nc do?
[11:20] <Arby> and could you explain how you know it's all compiled
[11:20] <Arby> in my mind error message == failure
[11:21]  * Arby --> man debuild
[11:22] <Arby> Riddell: debuild -nc throws the same error, is that what you expected?
[11:22] <Riddell> -nc is no clear
[11:22] <Riddell> so it doesn't have to compile it again
[11:22] <Riddell> did you edit debian/ktorrent.install ?
[11:22] <Arby> no
[11:23] <Riddell> then I would expect it to fail :)
[11:24] <Riddell> you can tell it has compiled the app since it has started to install the files and make the .debs
[11:24] <Arby> ok, all good education :)
[11:25] <Arby> so I need to fix ktorrent.install
[11:25] <Arby> ?
[11:25] <Riddell> yes, change the filename to the new version number
[11:34] <Arby> Riddell: next error http://paste.ubuntu.com/17932/
[11:35] <Arby> Riddell: I'm guessing the key is 'To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH'
[11:35] <Arby> but how to do that
[11:35] <Arby> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$something
[11:35] <Arby> ?
[11:36] <Riddell> shouldn't need to, it's in /usr/lib
[11:36] <Riddell> pastebin ktorrent.install ?
[11:37] <Arby> Riddell:
[11:37] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17937/
[11:38] <Riddell> Arby: it doesn't include libbtcore.so.6
[11:38] <Arby> oh yes, I misread kt as bt. oops sorry
[11:39] <Riddell> add back .6 and 6.0.0
[11:39] <Riddell> debuild -nc
[11:42] <Arby> Riddell: I think we have success :)
[11:42] <Arby> debsign faied but everything else seems ok
[11:43] <Riddell> excellent
[11:43] <Riddell> install the .debs
[11:43] <Riddell> see if it runs
[11:45] <Riddell> if so  debuild -S -sa  and upload the .orig .dsc and .diff.gz somewhere I can get them (copy to my machine if you want)
[11:46] <Arby> Riddell: hmm, dependancy errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/17948/
[11:46] <Arby> requires kdebase-runtime but that is uninstallable
[11:47]  * Arby pokes apt-get with a sharp stick
[11:48] <Riddell> ah well, such are the problems when working with the development release
[11:48] <Riddell> we'll just have to assume it works, send me the files and I'll upload
[11:59] <apachelogger> meh
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/m8cb0bae guidance-power-manager won't start :(
[12:00] <Arby> Riddell: the files are on lichts
[12:00] <Arby> I'm not certain the changelog will be right
[12:00] <Arby> and I haven't changed any info in debian/control either
[12:01] <Arby> Riddell: if I need to fix those ^^ let me know I have to go out now
[12:01] <Arby> Riddell: thanks for all the help :)
[12:01] <a|wen> apachelogger: kde4 version?
[12:02] <apachelogger> a|wen: yes
[12:03]  * a|wen is relieved
[12:03]  * apachelogger isn't
[12:04] <apachelogger> other question: should new kde4 packages get a -kde4 suffix?
[12:04] <apachelogger> or just replace the kde3 version
[12:04] <apachelogger> considering 4 is stable of course
[12:04] <a|wen> apachelogger: have you managed to get it to build a .deb ?
[12:05] <a|wen> or are you just playing around in the source tree
[12:05] <apachelogger> usually I test software before I package it
[12:05] <apachelogger> prevents wasted time ;-)
[12:06] <a|wen> apachelogger: heh ... got a point :)
[12:07] <a|wen> apachelogger: you could try exchanging the mentioned line with "from PyKDE4.kdecore import *" as a temporary measure
[12:08] <apachelogger> breaks again
[12:08] <apachelogger> well
[12:08] <apachelogger> I guess python-kde4 in intrepid is b0rked
[12:08] <apachelogger> just like everything else
[12:09] <a|wen> doesn't sound unlikely ;)
[12:09] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kopete-bonjour.ogg
[12:10] <a|wen> apachelogger: what do you use to grab the screen?
[12:10] <apachelogger> recordmydesktop
[12:10] <a|wen> brilliant name
[12:11] <apachelogger> indeed
[12:12] <Riddell> Arby: I don't see the .orig
[12:31] <\sh> apachelogger: could it be that amarok2 svn from just now has problems with sqlite?
[12:46] <apachelogger> \sh: everything is possible, what's the problem?
[14:45] <Nightrose> nixternal_: do you have a new package for kde-network in the queue? cause kopete doesn't open message windows instantly when you receive a message in kde 4.1 beta 1 - i reported the error and it was fixed by upstream
[14:46] <Nightrose> nixternal_: so if you are going to upload a new package of it please consider adding that patch
[15:23] <gribelu> umm kdm-kde4 can't be stopped using "/etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 stop" -> Stopping K Display Manager: kdm-kde4 not running (/var/run/kdm-kde4.pid not found).
[15:23] <gribelu> known bug?
[15:31] <DreadKnight> gribelu: should be...
[15:31] <DreadKnight> can't restart x from kdm-kde4 with ctrl + alt + backspace...
[15:31] <DreadKnight> it hungs like that... ffs..
[15:32] <DreadKnight> the new version of kmilo-kde4 is still useless on "my" lenovo laptop...
[15:33] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: you could make it work
[15:33] <apachelogger> see the patches for kmilo
[15:33] <DreadKnight> i'm not a coder... it's a burden for me to patch up source etc
[15:34] <DreadKnight> need help on that xD
[15:34] <DreadKnight> (multimedia keys not working)
[15:34]  * apachelogger throws code at DreadKnight
[15:34] <DreadKnight> xD
[15:34] <apachelogger> find someone to do it then :P
[15:35] <DreadKnight> i should find out where to get the code from and compile it...
[15:35] <apachelogger> you just need to port the appropriate patches from kmilo to kmilo-kde4
[15:35] <DreadKnight> :D
[15:35] <DreadKnight> right
[15:37] <apachelogger> uhhh, fancy cron management kcm in 4.1
[15:37] <apachelogger> shiny
[15:41] <DreadKnight> yey
[15:41] <DreadKnight> too bad i never use it
[15:42] <DreadKnight> it should have been "kron" ^^... the one in kde3 was ekkkk
[15:42] <DreadKnight> nevermind the name suggestion
[15:44] <apachelogger> omg, my imap slave died
[15:44] <apachelogger> omg
[15:44] <apachelogger> omg
[15:46] <DreadKnight> omg for me too...
[15:47] <Serega> apachelogger: qsynth is appeared in the revu finally
[15:48] <apachelogger> cool
[15:48]  * apachelogger tunes in revu music
[15:48] <Serega> apachelogger: what is a purpose of "need repackage" bugreport?
[15:48] <apachelogger> np: Rancid - Red Hot Moon
[15:48] <apachelogger> Serega: peopel can track progress
[15:48] <Serega> ho-ho, Rancid...
[15:48] <apachelogger> so one doesn't end up with duplicated effort
[15:48] <Serega> aw... nice
[15:49] <apachelogger> before packaging you should always check/report a needs-packaging bug and assign it to you
[15:49] <apachelogger> s/you/yourself
[15:53] <Serega> damn can't find where I saw that qsynth is orphaned :(
[15:53] <apachelogger> hm?
[15:53] <apachelogger> Serega: btw, current debian/watch version should be 3
[15:54] <Serega> apachelogger: hm... I considered this as a new package, so... I will rename if needed
[15:55] <apachelogger> now I am confused
[15:55] <apachelogger> Serega: what do you want to rename?
[15:55] <Serega> I thought you are talking about qsynth_0.3.2_3ubuntu1
[15:55] <Serega> instead of 0ubuntu1
[15:55] <Serega> no?
[15:56] <apachelogger> Serega: debian/watch
[15:56] <apachelogger> I didn't look at debian/control yet ;-)
[15:56] <Serega> ah... it's file
[15:56] <apachelogger> ehh
[15:56] <apachelogger> debian/changelog
[15:56] <apachelogger> Serega: lol
[15:56] <Serega> sorry :)
[15:57] <Serega> apachelogger: changed. what now? just upload?
[15:57] <Serega> og I have to raise the version now?
[15:57] <apachelogger> I'll probably find more :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> Serega: no
[15:58] <apachelogger> only bump the version once the package is in the archive
[15:58] <apachelogger> so once the current version is in and you change something and bump the version
[15:58] <Serega> ok, so just poke me if you find something or some actions are needed from me
[15:58] <apachelogger> and you stick to that version number with all changes until this version got into the archive as well
[15:58] <apachelogger> Serega: well, fix that 3ubuntu1 :P
[15:59] <Serega> it is 0ubuntu1, I didn't changed anything :)
[15:59] <apachelogger> ok
[15:59] <apachelogger> Serega: did you steal the debian/copyright from debian?
[16:00] <Serega> mostly
[16:00] <apachelogger> that means?
[16:00] <ryanakca> to go from docbook->man at build on a system without internet access, should I change the DTD in the docbook file to point to /usr/share/sgml/docbook/dtd/4.5/docbook.dtd ?
[16:00] <apachelogger> hm, pbuilding and compiling koffice is apparently a bas thing to do
[16:00] <Serega> apachelogger: I have added the Copyright and last paragraph about package copyright (\sh adviced me that)
[16:01] <apachelogger> ok
[16:01] <ryanakca> (see the error from building knmap : http://paste.debian.net/5585/ )
[16:03] <apachelogger> Serega: if you want you can set yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer in debian/control
[16:04] <apachelogger> Serega: did you remove the note about Qt Designer yet? :P
[16:04] <Serega> apachelogger: what does it actually mean? actually I'm not a debian maintainer (but I would). I like the idea.
[16:05] <apachelogger> well, this XSBC-orig-maint is actually ubuntu-only AFAIK
[16:05] <apachelogger> usually it's used for the debian maintainer
[16:05] <apachelogger> so if we change a debian package
[16:05] <apachelogger> the debian maintainer shouldn't be primary contact anymore
[16:06] <Serega> apachelogger: nope, authors of the software represent it in exactly same way, but maybe we should correct this, agree
[16:06] <apachelogger> so we move the debian maintainer to XSBC and add Ubuntu MOTU or Core Devs to the Maintainer field
[16:06] <Serega> apachelogger: so I set this to me
[16:06] <apachelogger> yup
[16:06] <apachelogger> so people can get in touch with you in case they have questions or stuff
[16:07] <apachelogger> it's mainly for internal use really
[16:08] <apachelogger> Serega: no, absolutely no one is interessted if an application was designed using Qt Designer
[16:08] <apachelogger> that is at it's best just useless information
[16:09] <apachelogger> Serega: btw, debian/control Qt4 -> Qt 4
[16:10] <Serega> corrected
[16:10]  * Serega tries 3rd variant of bugreport description...
[16:12]  * Serega doesn't want to wound former maintainer feelings
[16:16] <apachelogger> Serega: debian/compt says 5, but you depend on debhelper >= 4
[16:16] <apachelogger> the thing is, debehlper 4 can not run in compability mode 5 ;-)
[16:18] <apachelogger> question is
[16:18] <apachelogger> Serega: what is debian/dirs for?
[16:20] <apachelogger> Serega: dh_desktop in debian/rules doesn't do anything
[16:21] <apachelogger> Serega: W: qsynth: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/qsynth
[16:30] <apachelogger> Serega: btw, did you notify upstream about the desktop file issue?
[16:35] <Serega> apachelogger: does debian/compat mean debhelper major veersion?
[16:35] <Serega> so I have to specify 5.0.0?
[16:35] <apachelogger> in the build-dep, yes
[16:37] <Serega> apachelogger: debian/dirs just copied from the old package. Now I'm googling about this file
[16:38] <apachelogger> Serega: man dh_installdirs
[16:38] <apachelogger>  dh_installdirs is a debhelper program that is responsible for creating subdirectories in package build directories.
[16:38] <apachelogger>  A file named debian/package.dirs can list directories to be created.
[16:39] <apachelogger> Serega: the directories dirs currently is listing are necessary for actual make install
[16:39] <apachelogger> but
[16:39] <apachelogger> make install is using the 'install' command
[16:39] <apachelogger> which is creating the directories
[16:39] <Serega> aha... that was a question :)
[16:39] <Serega> so I remove it
[16:39] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:39] <apachelogger> the only use would to create usr/share/pixmaps
[16:40] <apachelogger> but since you use install for the xpm file as well, that is pretty much pointless as well
[16:41] <apachelogger> uh, my english is suffering from too loud music :D
[16:42] <Serega> apachelogger: it's much better than my though :)
[16:43] <Serega> apachelogger: I saw the manual page for dh_desktop (Currently doesn't handle...) but looks like it works for me
[16:43] <apachelogger> Serega: well
[16:43] <Serega> I have tested binary builds
[16:43] <apachelogger> dh_desktop does nothing
[16:43] <apachelogger> i.e. it should be removed from debian/rules
[16:43] <apachelogger> as it, attention loop, does nothing
[16:44] <Serega> bah...
[16:44] <Serega> it is in the Makefile.in
[16:44] <Serega> :)
[16:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: do you think you can get neon for suse working until 15th for the bugday?
[16:44]  * Serega believes in magic... dumb
[16:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kubuntu education > neon for suse
[16:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just find someone to create the specs
[16:45] <apachelogger> everything else is done
[16:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ;-)
[16:45] <Nightrose> i see
[16:45] <Nightrose> ok will try when i have a free minute
[16:45] <Nightrose> working on the wiki page for bug day now
[16:45] <apachelogger> add some nice pictures
[16:45] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: and did that sebner guy join the team yet?
[16:46] <Nightrose> he went to bed yesterday and said good morning today
[16:46] <Nightrose> besides that nothing
[16:46] <Nightrose> as he didn't really decide what he wants to do
[16:46] <Nightrose> will bug him later
[16:47] <apachelogger> considering the upcoming bug day ... bugging someone gets a totally different meaning for me :P
[16:47] <Nightrose> heh
[16:50] <apachelogger> Serega: add a manpage and the package should be perfect ;-)
[16:54] <Serega> apachelogger: lovely! actually I thought about this
[16:55] <Serega> apachelogger: I guess I must remove dh_installdirs as I have no .dirs files, right?
[16:56] <apachelogger> hm
[16:56] <apachelogger> dh_installdirs
[16:56] <apachelogger> 	install -d debian/qsynth
[16:56] <apachelogger> 	install -d debian/qsynth/usr/bin debian/qsynth/usr/share/applications/
[16:56] <apachelogger> Serega: remove it and check whether the build breaks ;-)
[16:56] <apachelogger> shouldn't, but with autohell everything is possible
[16:57]  * apachelogger continues his interview for ubuntu-de
[16:58] <Serega> $5 it will not break ;)
[17:01] <Serega> woohooo!
[17:24] <apachelogger> Serega: we usually only bet with >= 50 bucks :P
[17:24] <DaskreecH> or beer
[17:25] <Serega> hey, I'm from Ukraine :)
[17:25] <Serega> beer is suitable
[17:25] <Serega> I won this time, anyway :p
[17:38] <Serega> manpage done
[17:38] <Serega> lintian relaxes
[17:39] <Serega> apachelogger: poke me please when you finish - I will upload
[17:39] <apachelogger> Serega: finish with?
[17:39] <Serega> apachelogger: review
[17:39] <apachelogger> aye
[17:39] <apachelogger> Serega: you will need a 2nd revu
[17:39]  * smarter waves
[17:40] <apachelogger> so better get cookies ready for \sh ;-)
[17:40] <Serega> apachelogger: from another MOTU you mean?
[17:40] <apachelogger> or nixternal_, though nixternal_ is busy 24/7
[17:40] <smarter> apachelogger: there's something wrong in your /opt/kde-nightly/cdbs/kde.mk
[17:40] <apachelogger> Serega: yes
[17:40] <smarter> DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS = -l/usr/lib/kde4/lib/
[17:40] <apachelogger> hehe
[17:40] <apachelogger> indeed
[17:40] <Serega> apachelogger: so I can upload now, just dput as a first time?
[17:40] <apachelogger> smarter: doesn't have any effect though
[17:41] <smarter> doesn't seem so
[17:41] <smarter> but I don't understand what it is for ^^'
[17:41] <apachelogger> Serega: just like you did before
[17:41] <apachelogger> eventually you will have to dput with -f
[17:41] <apachelogger> as you uploaded once dput might complain
[17:41] <Serega> thank you, apachelogger!
[17:41] <apachelogger> smarter: me neither
[17:41]  * Serega brings a package of cookies
[17:41] <apachelogger> smarter: oh, I think I know
[17:42] <apachelogger> sharedlibs within usr/lib/kde4/lib are probably not catched without it
[17:42] <smarter> but how does it catches /opt/kde-nightly/lib/ ?
[17:42] <apachelogger> rpath I guess
[17:44] <smarter> (by the way, thanks for these packages ;) )
[17:47] <Serega> \sh: Stephan?
[17:48] <apachelogger> smarter: I am surprised they are actually working :D
[18:08] <apachelogger> Serega: looks good now, btw, you can/should kill changelog entry 2, 3 and 5
[18:08] <apachelogger> as it is part of the repackaging
[18:12] <Serega> apachelogger: I'd like to leave 5 to take an attention of debian maintainer/future mergers
[18:12] <Serega> what do you think?
[18:12] <apachelogger> well, doesn't the package differ a lot more
[18:13] <apachelogger> then you would have to document all the changes
[18:13] <apachelogger> and actually make it a merge again :P
[18:15] <Serega> apachelogger: I'm not sure I follow you
[18:16] <apachelogger> Serega: if you document such changes from the original debian package
[18:16] <apachelogger> you would have to document all changes
[18:16] <apachelogger> and that would make it more like a merge than a new package
[18:16] <Serega> it is rather a change from the upstream
[18:17] <Serega> okay, I delete it
[18:28] <apachelogger> Serega: well, almost no upstream GUI developer provides a manpage
[18:28] <apachelogger> and from my point of view, it doesn't make much sense at all
[18:28] <ScottK-laptop> But policy is policy.
[18:28] <apachelogger> exactly
[18:28] <DaskreecH> Khelpcentre>
[18:49] <nixternal_> afternoon :)
[18:49]  * nixternal_ stayed up way to late last night
[18:50] <Serega> hi nixternal_
[18:51] <Serega> nixternal_: if somehow you have a piece of time, could you please give a revu for my package?
[19:05] <nixternal_> Serega: do you have a link to your package?
[19:05] <Serega> nixternal_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qsynth
[19:06]  * jussi01 hugs Serega for packaging it :D
[19:10]  * Serega hugs jussi01 too =)
[19:10] <jussi01> :)
[19:11] <jussi01> !ndiswrapper
[19:12] <nixternal_> Serega: if the debian package is orphaned, why don't you maintain it? :)
[19:13] <Serega> nixternal_: I have done my first merge two days ago, and my first package yesterday. what maintaining are you talking about? :)
[19:13] <Serega> nixternal_: I would lovely though
[19:16] <nixternal_> Serega: update the package and find a sponsor on Debian and then request a sync here :)
[19:16] <nixternal_> package looks great though
[19:16] <Serega> nixternal_: thanks
[19:16] <nixternal_> test building and installing now
[19:16] <Serega> nixternal_: apachelogger is a great coach =)
[19:16] <nixternal_> err, can't install...I am not on intrepid :)
[19:17] <Serega> nixternal_: hm... it installs good on my system
[19:17] <Serega> just debuild -b
[19:17] <nixternal_> nah, building with pbuilder to make sure it works...will install in a chroot
[19:22] <DaskreecH> can I mount swap explicitly?
[19:22] <DaskreecH> like mount -t swap /dev/sda2 ?
[19:24] <DaskreecH> or do I have to dop it into fstab then mount -a ?
[19:29] <Serega> nixternal_: what did you mean by "update the package"?
[19:29] <Serega> make it debian?
[19:36]  * Serega doesn't know what to do
[20:40] <apachelogger> Serega: see nixternal's comment
[20:40] <Serega> apachelogger: saw
[20:40] <apachelogger> k
[20:41] <Serega> apachelogger: I have already prepared a debian package and sent an email to debian-devel@lists.debian.org
[20:41] <apachelogger> Serega: you might jump over to #debian-qt-kde on irc.debian.org
[20:41] <apachelogger> Serega: might be faster
[20:41] <Serega> apachelogger: oh, IRC is good, thanks!
[20:46] <Serega> apachelogger: maybe it's better to wait for reply if I have already sent a mail?
[20:46] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:46] <apachelogger> doesn't really matter IMO
[20:48] <Serega> apachelogger: I want take gqview to merge, is it ok?
[20:48] <apachelogger> Serega: yup
[20:48] <apachelogger> though the name sounds strange ;-)
[20:49] <apachelogger> gqview - A simple image viewer using GTK+
[20:49] <DaskreecH> apachelogger: Just saw xcow on happypenguin. Written in Gtk+
[20:49] <Serega> =)
[20:49] <Serega> damn
[20:50]  * Serega was confused with gwenview
[20:51] <DaskreecH> Serega: and Kino
[20:52] <Serega> Kino afaik gtk+ too, right?
[20:52]  * Serega wonders authors never heard about K* names :)
[20:52] <DaskreecH> Yep
[20:53]  * Serega declares KDE monopoly on K* names
[20:54] <DaskreecH> atlantiK
[20:54] <Serega> not kde?!
[20:54] <DaskreecH> Ha ha
[20:55] <DaskreecH> that's the KDE monopoly game
[20:57] <DaskreecH> or was
[21:30] <Serega> is there a real need to keep merging or it's better to get to the coding?
[21:36] <a|wen> there doesn't really seem to be that many kde packages left to merge
[21:40] <a|wen> at least not in universe
[21:41] <DaskreecH> To the multiverse batman!!!
[21:42] <Serega> :)
[21:42]  * Serega is batman, lol :)
[21:43] <a|wen> cool ... a total of 16 outstanding merges in multiverse
[21:44] <Riddell> Serega: extragear needing done too ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.80/src/extragear/
[21:44] <Riddell> most of which are currently packaged as -kde4 packages
[21:45] <Serega> Riddell: ok. And what has higher priority: kaffeine bugfixing or this packaging stuff now?
[21:45] <DaskreecH> Ha ha
[21:46] <DaskreecH> my mom got locked out of her classes by Vista
[21:46] <DaskreecH> she can't gain access to it as a super user
[21:47] <Riddell> Serega: packaging at the start of the cycle, else it'll never get done
[21:47] <Riddell> we also don't know if we'll be using kaffeine in intrepid by default
[21:48] <Arby_> Riddell: uploaded .orig file
[21:49] <Serega> Riddell: I thought it's for hardy updates. But okay, I'm glad to continue with packaging
[21:51] <ryanakca> ``style'' question. Is it permissible to include the DTD in a refentry manpage, or should I put the link instead? My argument for including the DTD is that anybody with the proper utility doesn't need to install a large package or have an internet connection to convert it to the manpage
[21:51] <ryanakca> refentry manpage == manpage written in Docbook
[21:53] <Serega> knite folks
[21:53] <DaskreecH> night k?
[21:59] <Serega> DaskreecH: KDE-styled "good night" :)
[22:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: doing that would lead to a lot of duplication over all packages
[22:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, so should I put a link to the online DTD, or to the `docbook' package's /usr/share/sgml/docbook/dtd/4.5/docbook.dtd ?
[22:39] <Riddell> mm, dunno, whatever other packages do
[22:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, thanks :)