[00:00] <dru>  http://blog.myfenris.net/?p=377 haryono
[00:01] <dru> chull: your not giving the full path to the file there
[00:01] <dru> you are not in root
[00:01] <dru> chull:???
[00:01] <dru> you there?
[00:06] <chull> called son.. he says to fix the new box
[00:06] <chull> dru you are wonderful
[00:08] <ejupin> I have an older Dell laptop without built in wifi. What brand wifi pc card seems to work best with Kubuntu?
[00:09] <dru>  ejupin: have you given madwifi a shot yet?
[00:10] <ejupin> dru: no, not familiar with it
[00:10] <dru> ejupin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17744/
[00:10] <dru> i do that
[00:11] <dru> and it always works
[00:11] <ejupin> dru: what is it? it finds drivers?
[00:12] <dru> its a driver itself
[00:12] <dru> lemme see
[00:13] <ejupin> dru: ok but im not at that point yet., im just trying to find what pc cards work best before buying one that we all know wont work out of the box
[00:13] <dru> http://madwifi.org/
[00:13] <dru> well it really depends on the chipset
[00:13] <dru> you can get almost anythg to work in linux
[00:14] <ejupin> dru: thanks, i know that.. i think you are missing my point
[00:14] <SabreWolfy> later
[00:14] <dru> you could also use ndiswrapper for the actual windows driver
[00:14] <dru> yeah okay
[00:14] <dru> one sec
[00:15] <dru> peace out SabreWolfy
[00:17] <dru> ejupin https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[00:17] <dru> ejupin as you can see theres a huge list there
[00:17] <ejupin> dru: thanks much
[00:19] <alexalex> anyone get bluetooth headset working
[00:25] <alexalex__123> bluetooth help anyone?
[00:26] <Dr-Willi> !bluetooth
[00:26] <alexalex__123> i have my bluetooth up and it finds my device which is a a2dp headset
[00:27] <dru> *dru is quitting for the day
[00:27] <alexalex__123> just posts a host error when i try to connect them
[00:27] <dru> peace out yall
[00:27] <Tonren> How do I disable the tone on desktop changes in KDE4?
[00:29] <alexalex__123> mm anyone has a2dp bluetooth profile working?
[00:39] <alesan> I'd really like to find a tool that lets me edit pdf files. just to add text
[00:39] <_CrashMaster_> Adobe Acrobat
[00:44] <engineer> acrobar professional
[00:44] <engineer> t*
[00:47] <speeddemon24> hi guys im back :).
[00:47] <coreymon77> how do you check for bad sectors on a drive, inconsistencies etc on a livecd
[00:48] <deitarion> My mother just got a new laptop and I don't want to boot into Vista even once but she wants me to save a copy of the base install and recovery partition. What's the recommended way to save a 120GB drive to an image over the network using the LiveCD. Keep in mind that I think I only have about 100GB free on my machine right now.
[00:48] <deitarion> (I'll need something which compresses what it receives before writing to disk)
[00:48] <speeddemon24> google it. sorry thats all i know to do about that im clueless.
[00:49] <deitarion> Ugh. I suppose I could always use netcat to pipe /dev/sda to a bzip archive over the network.
[00:50] <bdizzle> is there a way to view webcams on Kubuntu?
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> !webcam
[00:51] <bdizzle> no no, I'm not the one with a webcam, just to view one via the web
[00:51] <bdizzle> or via GAIM or IRC
[00:53] <PhoenixGI> bdizzle probably just need the codec for the video feed that camara sends
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> oh! yes.... using what protocol?
[00:53] <bdizzle> GAIM
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> you can do it with MSN
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> in kopete
[00:54] <bdizzle> eh, Pidgen or Konversation
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> nither can do it
[00:54] <bdizzle> damn
[00:54] <bdizzle> but Kopete can under an AIM account?
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> hmm.... not aim I don't think... only MSN
[00:55] <Tann> Hello
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> oh... skype can do it too
[00:57] <Tann> Is there a way to change default settings of new users? Like set the default wallpaper, kicker background, etc?
[00:57] <Dr-Willi> Tann,  it comes from /etc/skel when you make their account I belive
[00:58] <Tann> Dr-Willi: ok. let me se
[00:58] <bdizzle>  gah, now how do I use Kopete to add in MSN? IT came up and I entered it in under AIM, but I can't figure out how to switch to MSN
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> bdizzle: you fo configure kopete, delete the account and make a new none
[01:02] <bdizzle> ok
[01:02] <Tann> Dr-Willi: That appears to be only the bash defaults.
[01:02] <bdizzle> ok, thanks
[01:03] <Tonren> How can I convert a KDE3 .kcsrc fileto a KDE4 color source file?
[01:03] <Dr-Willi> Tann,  any settings/files in that dir. get copied to the newly made /home/usersname dir. its 'cloned'  -  so if you want  somthing  to be in every new users account. you can copy/make the config files in that dir and it will get cloned to the newly made accounts
[01:04] <Dr-Willi> now there MAY be some other place that kde looks to grab its 'defaults' when none exist also.. not sure where those are at.
[01:05] <Tann> Dr-Willi: ok cool. I get what you mean. Thanks
[01:15] <Mojo_risin> there is some automated process to migrate settings from kde 3 to 4?
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> Mojo_risin: nope, not yet
[01:17] <Mojo_risin> nosrednaekim: is it planned? is there any kind of docs available?
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> Mojo_risin: its planned for intrepid
[01:18] <Mojo_risin> nosrednaekim:  i'm more interested in apps settings; they differ a lot from 3 to 4?
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> Mojo_risin: alot of it is transferable, so if you just copy over your .kde to your .kde4, everything should work fairly well
[01:19] <Mojo_risin> or it should be a matter of copying stuf
[01:19] <Mojo_risin> nosrednaekim: cool. kdepim included?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> only thing I've run into is Kmail smtp accounts not getting transfered, but thats trivial: all my mail is there
[01:20] <Mojo_risin> did you tryed kopete?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> I wasn't using kopete pre-kde4
[01:20] <Mojo_risin> no?? :)
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> but a freind upgraded and it worked fine for him
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> nah... I was a pidgin dude :P
[01:21] <Mojo_risin> bah :P
[01:22] <Mojo_risin> nice :) btw, if you see flacity around could you please thank him? he fixed composite on my ati X700 and I would like to thanks him, but i'm going to thailand for the 3 weeks :)
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> flaccid?
[01:24] <Mojo_risin> nosrednaekim: that yes :)
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> yup.... NP
[01:24] <Mojo_risin> thanks
[01:38] <haryono> i have open the website remommende and this is i got what is it mean?
[01:38] <haryono>  now lets start by checking the device detected ..
[01:38] <haryono> fenris@thinkbuntu:~$ lsusb
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 007 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 006 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp.
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:38] <Jucato> !flood | haryono
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0ac8:301b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0301 WebCam
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 004 Device 002: ID 17ef:1003
[01:38] <haryono>  Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:39] <haryono> please tell me how to understand those message above
[01:39] <haryono> im totally blank on....
[01:47] <Dr-Willi> whats to understand?  you have a webcam and a fingerprint reader...
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> and a USB wireless
[02:10] <haryono> how to play audio/video player in kubuntu ?
[02:12] <p_quarles> haryono, what have you tried so far?
[02:18] <Dr-Willi> I just use gmplayer/mplayer/smplayer and the proper codecs
[02:51] <bever> hello :)
[02:52] <PhoenixGI> Hello
[02:52] <RameTux> Hello
[02:53] <bever> anyone here know anything about installing the fancy desktop cube (XGL) on kubuntu 8.04 hardy heron? im looking for a good howto file because i only just started on kubuntu, used to use suse..
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Why do people bend over backwards for a useless bit of eye candy. :)
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> !cubt
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> !cube
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> bever,  install the compiz stuff. install the ccsm tool. enable 4x1 rows of desktops, enable the cube feature.
[02:56] <bever> kewl thanks ill go try that now :)
[03:03] <nohelphere> in xvnc how do you change the settings so it doesn't give all people full control?
[03:08] <flaccid> Mojo_risin: ping
[03:09] <Jucato> mr--t: ping
[03:09] <bever> hmm sccsm doesnt seem to work :S
[03:09] <mr--t> ping what
[03:09] <bdizzle> why can I never get configure, make, make install to work?
[03:09] <Jucato> mr--t: remember your question a few days ago about increasing the space between lines in konversation?
[03:09] <mr--t> yes
[03:10] <Dragnslcr> bdizzle- because you're doing it wrong
[03:10] <Jucato> it will be in the next release (which is very soon)
[03:10] <bdizzle> figures
[03:10] <Jucato> mr--t: it will be in the next release (which is very soon)
[03:10] <mr--t> ok
[03:11] <Jucato> hehe I thought you'd be happier :P
[03:11] <mr--t> Jucato: im also reading about a kernel version 2.6.23
[03:12] <Jucato> next release of Konversation I mean
[03:12] <mr--t> why are we still using 2.6.22?
[03:12]  * mr--t thinks he understood what you meant
[03:13] <coteyr> I need to do something really simple. I want to change some of the sessions in konsole. I want to remve things like midnight commander and such that I have no use for
[03:13] <Jucato> mr--t: because at the time that Hardy was being prepared, 2.6.22 is probably the latest stable kernel version
[03:13] <coteyr> But I can't seem to figure out how
[03:14] <mr--t> ok  but the docs i'm reading are from 2007
[03:14] <Jucato> wait what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[03:15] <mr--t> Jucato: my bad i'm running 2.6.24.18
[03:15] <Woxdee> I'm using apt-build to recompile konqueror for my CPU (apt-build install konqueror) - does this actually build all of kdebase ?
[03:16] <Jucato> mr--t:  :D
[03:16] <Jucato> Woxdee: you will have to
[03:16] <Woxdee> Integrally linked, eh?
[03:16] <mr--t> Jucato: I'm trying to get rid of some of my old kernel versions but can't seem to
[03:17] <Woxdee> Just as well, I was going to rebuild KDE later anyway.
[03:17] <Jucato> mr--t: you just uninstall them like any other package/app in Adept Manager or using apt-get
[03:18] <mr--t>  i do apt-get remove after listing them and it errors that they are not found
[03:19] <localadmin> hi all !
[03:19] <mr--t>  linux-image-2. 2.6.22-14.46
[03:19] <randomshadowbmg> how come half my sound ports are disabled?
[03:19] <randomshadowbmg> ﻿i have a sound card on my  motherboard with 6 ports and it has headphones and speakers hooked up on it, i can only use the headphones....
[03:20] <Jucato> mr--t: perhaps you got the package name/number wrong?
[03:21] <mr--t> apt-get remove linux-image-2. 2.6.22-14.46
[03:22] <bever> hmm compiz does not seem te be working :S
[03:22]  * mr--t knows ther is a sudo before that command
[03:23] <Jucato> mr--t: it's 2.6.22, not 2.2.6
[03:23] <mr--t> brb
[03:25] <mr--t> Jucato: coundn't find package error
[03:26] <Jucato> mr--t: could you pastebin the output of "aptitude search linux-image-2.6.22"?
[03:26] <Jucato> !pastebin | mr--t
[03:26] <bever> anyone have any idea why compiz isnt responding to any changes i make.. it actually looks as if its not using compiz :S
[03:29] <mr--t> Jucato: pasted i think?
[03:30] <Jucato> mr--t: give the link please
[03:30] <mr--t> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17783/
[03:30] <mr--t> sorry
[03:31] <Jucato> mr--t: ok. then as you see, the package name is linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[03:31] <Jucato> but what kernel version are you currently using?
[03:31] <mr--t> ok...
[03:31] <Jucato> run "uname -r" please
[03:31] <mr--t> 2.6.24-18-generic
[03:32] <Jucato> I see. you can remove the 2.6.22-14-generic one. but it's usually recommended to leave one other stable kernel lying around. just in case.
[03:34] <mr--t> Jucato: see past bin again
[03:34] <mr--t> paste^
[03:34] <Ziroday> I accidently hid the main menu bar of kopete, how do I get it hback?
[03:35] <mr--t> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17784/
[03:38] <mr--t> Jucato:  ?
[03:39] <Jucato> mr--t: you can just leave one other stable kernel. so leave the one you're using plus another one that you know is stable
[03:40] <mr--t> Jucato: thats what i want to do but i can't make any go
[03:41] <Jucato> you were using a wrong package name earlier.
[03:42] <mr--t> Jucato: could you show me the correct syntax?
[03:43] <Jucato> I already did
 mr--t: ok. then as you see, the package name is linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[03:44] <Jucato> mr--t: do not use the output from dpkg -l. the Name field is cut off
[03:45] <mr--t> oh gotcha that did it
[03:48] <mr--t> Jucato:  thanks a million I dual boot with this machine and my wife freaks out enough having to go through grub there were getting to be too many choices for her to be comfortable. this should make her happy thanks again
[03:49] <Jucato> no probs
[04:05] <PhoenixGI> !ftp
[04:06] <PhoenixGI> Konqueror is a Ftp client?
[04:10] <jhutchins> PhoenixGI: Yep.
[04:10] <jhutchins> also wget, curl, lynx...
[04:10] <compilerwriter> among other things phoenixgl
[04:11] <PhoenixGI> Oh so it's a FTP client as much as IE is,  not like cuteFTP for windows
[04:11] <PhoenixGI> err just not like
[04:11] <PhoenixGI> feature wise
[04:12] <compilerwriter> Anybody here a superkaramba expert?
[04:12] <jhutchins> PhoenixGI: emulates file browser mode in FTP, you can drag and drop.
[04:12] <compilerwriter> #there is no one responding at #superkaramba
[04:13] <jhutchins> PhoenixGI: Especially if you use split screen.
[04:13] <jhutchins> PhoenixGI: I don't use it much for ftp, but for scp (fish) I find it very useful.
[04:13] <jhutchins> PhoenixGI: straight ftp I usually use wget, but I'll use konq to browse a repo or search.
[04:14] <jhutchins> If I'm doing anything significant I'll use rsync.
[04:14] <jhutchins> !info superkaramba
[04:15] <jhutchins> Heh.  What a surprise that there's no large body of followers or developers.
[04:15] <jhutchins> 1info karamba
[04:15] <PhoenixGI> jhutchins Thanks for the info.
[04:15] <jhutchins> !info karamba
[04:25] <flaccid> fish != scp :)
[04:25] <flaccid> and for ftp etc, i recommend Krusader !  :o
[04:27] <PhoenixGI> Krusader eh
[04:29] <flaccid> you become addicted..
[04:30] <PhoenixGI> ??
[04:45] <ulala> 2.6.25-5.slh.1-sidux-686
[04:45] <Tonren> I upgraded to KDE 4.1beta, and now my laptop's volume keys don't work.  Anyone know what's up?
[05:04] <permanewb> I am running ubuntu 7.10. In KDE in System Settings, if I click administrator mode, I am not prompted and nothing changes. Do you know what that could be about?
[05:08] <mr--t> !root
[05:09] <permanewb> mr-t: what do you mean?
[05:10] <mr--t> asministrator is root
[05:10] <mr--t> administrator^
[05:11] <permanewb> mr-t: and?
[05:11] <mr--t> click the link and read up on it
[05:12] <permanewb> mr-t: I have. I can run sudo. What does that have to do with administrator mode button in kde?
[05:12] <mr--t> If you open the program from terminal as root you will be in adminitrator mode
[05:14] <permanewb> mr-t: okay, how do I open system settings from teh command line?
[05:14] <mr--t> I have found that sometimes the radio button doesn't work depending on the program and your version
[05:15] <doctorquincy> i have a question
[05:15] <doctorquincy> is it true that KDE and GNOME are made with different programming languages
[05:17] <NickPresta> doctorquincy, Gnome uses mostly C. KDE uses mostly C++, AFAIK
[05:17] <mr--t> permanewb: what are you trying to set
[05:17] <doctorquincy> thanks NickPresta
[05:18] <permanewb> mr--t: my monitor type and refresh rate
[05:19] <mr--t> When you click on admin do you get a red border and an applet asking for root pswd
[05:20] <permanewb> mr--t: the red border appears briefly then goes away. I am not prompted
[05:21] <mr--t> I had the same problem but it went away with my last update
[05:21] <mr--t> NickPresta:  ant thought?
[05:22] <mr--t> any^
[05:22] <NickPresta> mr--t, That used to be a bug with system-settings. I'm not sure if it still is. I would search google/launchpad and see if it is still a problem in hardy
[05:23] <mr--t> permanewb: what version are you running
[05:23] <mr--t> my settings work now
[05:24] <permanewb> mr--t: 7.10. Unfortunately, I can't upgrade at the moment because of time constraints. If that's the answer I'll wait until I can upgrade. Thanks for helping me.
[05:24] <mr--t> np
[05:25] <permanewb> I have to restart my window manager. Thanks again.
[05:25] <mr--t> your welcome
[05:48] <grendal_prime> hey this may sound stupid..but well.ok im stupid.. I fired up compiz  and now...i dont know how to turn it off
[05:48] <grendal_prime> ive tried rebooting the machine even and that didnt seem to do it ither.
[05:49] <NickPresta> grendal_prime, Alt+F2. In that Run box, type: kwin --replace
[05:49] <grendal_prime> k
[05:49] <grendal_prime> bitchen thanks
[05:50] <NickPresta> alternately, to start compiz again: compiz --replace
[05:50] <grendal_prime> not that i dislike compiz..but i mean lets face it..its a pig on resources
[05:50] <grendal_prime> and this machine is loaded
[05:50] <grendal_prime> im going to create a couple of scripts that do that though
[05:50] <grendal_prime> thanks for the info
[05:59] <lat> I installed several gnome packages on my KED4 system, but the install complained that libraries were missing. Is there any way I can get those libraries to be installed without having to type them in one by one?
[06:00] <grendal_prime> ya that compiz --replace doesnt work so well..i get a bizarro desktop with no window manager basically
[06:00] <grendal_prime> just compiz seems to do the trick (to turn it on anyway.)
[06:01] <axel> lat: apt should manage this. Perhaps you have to activte some repositories.
[06:02] <axel> lat: which repositories do you use?
[06:02] <grendal_prime> and something else  I can only get two desktops with compiz on..wich makes for a crappy 3d cube by the way.
[06:03] <NickPresta> grendal_prime, when you do compiz --replace, you also have to do `emerald --replace` to get the Emerald decorations
[06:03] <lat> axel, I don't know. I just use synaptic to download the packages.
[06:04] <NickPresta> lat, are you saying you're missing dependencies?
[06:04] <grendal_prime> well i think if i just use "compiz" it does that automatically
[06:04] <lat> NickPresta, yes, I think so.
[06:05] <NickPresta> lat, can you do this in a Konsole and paste me the output: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:05] <NickPresta> !pastebin | lat
[06:05] <NickPresta> paste it there
[06:05] <axel> lat: What's the content of /etc/apt/sources.list? (as ubottu said, please use pastebin and write the URL here).
[06:06] <lat> Ok, working....
[06:08] <grendal_prime> its werid when compiz is running i can only have 2 desktops
[06:08] <grendal_prime> ?
[06:08] <flaccid> grendal_prime: #compiz-fusion
[06:08] <NickPresta> grendal_prime, you need to ask in #compiz-fusion
[06:09] <NickPresta> Compiz treats KDE's virtual desktops strangely, or something similar to that, so its a compiz issue
[06:09] <flaccid> i remember its an issue of some kind too
[06:10] <NickPresta> lat, you still there?
[06:13] <lat> axel, NickPresta, and ubottu, the problem is on a different computer than the one I'm using now. And I have another problem on that computer that is going to have to be fixed first. I did something that messed up the display. It comes up totally black. How can I boot up to the command line so I can fix it?
[06:14] <NickPresta> lat, when your system boots up, you can pres Control+Alt+F1 (F1 through F6 will work) to get to the console. You can run; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:15] <lat> NickPresta, ok thanks. Let me fix that problem, then I'll log back on from that computer.
[06:15] <axel> lat: perhaps you don't need to reboot, just try the shortcut NickPresta wrote.
[06:16] <NickPresta> lat, okay. I may not be here when you return (I'm late where I am) so if no one else can help you tonight, just /msg me with your pastebin URL, any additional information and a contact address and I will get back to you ASAP
[06:16] <NickPresta> although I'm sure there are people available here to help you
[06:17] <xenos> Hmm...i installed kde4 but there's no panel. Any idea?
[06:18] <Lynoure> Seems that with the newest kernel knetworkmanager no longer finds the network after the system has come back from hibernation. How can I fix it?
[06:18] <axel> lat: It might be, that I won'Ät respond for quite a time as my current tasks imply that something has to be done not at the computer.
[06:21] <lat> axel, NickPresta, and ubottu, I also have some other business to attend to, so I may not be able to get back on for awhile. But you have all encouraged me that my problems are not insolvable. Thanks. Hopefully we will meet again someday soon.
[06:21] <flaccid> xenos: #kubuntu-kde4
[06:25]  * mr--t waves to Lynoure
[06:25] <Lynoure> oh, seems my problem is with the second to newest kernel, so maybe there is hope.
[06:27]  * mr--t believes there is always hope
[06:29] <Lynoure> mr--t: I too, but at one point no one knew how to get my hibernation working for a year or so, and hope here would be getting it work a bit sooner than that :)
[06:29] <mr--t>  :-)
[06:34] <Roey> hi
[06:34] <Roey> anyone know what's up with this?  http://rafb.net/p/HTGdwA53.html
[06:42] <Lynoure> Roey: and it persists over reboots?
[06:42] <Roey> yes
[06:42] <Roey> yes it does.
[06:44] <Lynoure> Roey: what's the volume in question?
[06:45] <Roey> /dev/sdc1 is an sd card reader with an sd card in it.
[06:45] <Lynoure> Roey: if you have it in /etc/fstab, you could try commenting it out / removing it from there
[06:45] <Roey> Lynoure:
[06:45] <Roey> ok
[06:45] <seraph> \quit
[06:45] <Roey> but I get this message as soon as I connect
[06:45] <Roey> I get it through a pop-up in kde
[06:46] <Lynoure> Roey: yes, it does not wait. But getting that will not interfere with you editing /etc/fstab, does it?
[06:46] <avishek> sorry to barge in, but could anyone please tell me if it is possible to resume an interrupted do-release-upgrade?
[06:46] <Lynoure> Because having a device hal tries to manage there is a very common reason for that symptom.
[06:47] <Lynoure> avishek: I don't think there is any way guaranteed to work, that's why upgrading with the cd is recommended
[06:48] <Roey> Lynoure:  ok, one sec lemme look in fstab
[06:48] <avishek> thank you lynoure. but i get an  MP_BIOS bug with the alternate cd.
[06:48] <Roey> Lynoure:  so sdc3 is not currently in fstab.  Shall I add it?
[06:49] <Lynoure> Roey: no.
[06:49] <Roey> ok
[06:49] <Lynoure> Roey: and hald is running?
[06:50] <Roey> yes
[06:50] <Roey> so, yeah.  This thing just doens't work.
[06:51] <Roey> Imean, I can mount manually on the command line,
[06:51] <Roey> but automounting just plain doesn't work.
[06:51] <Lynoure> Well, it does for many other people, so a bit patience. Though this is getting too deep for my lazy Saturday morning pro-bono
[06:52] <Roey> ah ok
[06:52] <Roey> Sorry, I'm cranky because it's 01:52 here and I'm exhausted ;)
[06:52] <Roey> so how about continuing in the morning once I'mr efreshed?
[06:52] <avishek> just one more question please, if i may?
[06:53] <mr--t> avishek: try google for the error message, ther are many hits when i tried
[06:53] <Lynoure> Roey: someone else probably will. I don't plan to be here very long today.
[06:53] <Roey> thanks then!
[06:53] <Roey> have a good night, Lynoure
[06:54] <Lynoure> Roey: thanks. You have a good morning, too :)
[06:54] <Roey> :)
[06:54] <Lynoure> I guess I should reboot to see if kernel change fixed my knetworkmanager annoyance.
[06:55] <avishek> thank you mr--t. i did do a google, but the answers seemed far too dense for a newbie like me
[06:55] <mr--t> is ther more to the error
[06:55] <Roey> Lynoure:  oh?  So you had problems with knetworkmanager? heh ok
[06:56] <cary_jebus> whenever i start kde i get no panel
[06:57] <avishek> no mr--t. the problem goes like this: after a lot of nightmares, i managed to get kubuntu 6.06 running on my laptop. it's a toshiba satellite l30 with 256 megs ram.
[06:57] <gps> cary_jebus, if i would have been at ur place i would have just deleted .kde folder
[06:57] <cary_jebus> why
[06:57] <avishek> ...so i couldn't do a live cd install for kubuntu 8.04...
[06:58] <mr--t> kubuntu needs 384mb
[06:58] <avishek> so instead i tried the alternate cd approach, but then i get the MP_BIOS bug and a freeze over
[06:59] <avishek> i know, but i just can't resist kubuntu
[06:59] <mr--t> just mp-bios or is ther more
[06:59] <avishek> mr--t: there's nothing more. just hangs after that
[07:00] <mr--t> no I mean MP_BIOS........
[07:01] <avishek> no, sorry. message goes something like: cannot proceed: mp-bios bug flagged
[07:01] <avishek> that's the end of the message
[07:02] <mr--t> I have another box that i play with and it only has 296mb ram and I tried to install k804 3 different ways with no joy
[07:02] <avishek> mt--t: i really appreciate your help on this, but i'm resigned to using 6.06 on my laptop; however, i had no problems with my desktop
[07:03] <avishek> 8.04 runs like a dream on my assembled desktop, even with 256 megs ram
[07:04] <mr--t> Kubuntu installed only need 256, you need 384 for the live cd
[07:04] <skircr115> i'm running 8.04 on my laptop, it runs fine...
[07:04] <avishek> i have another problem with my laptop: no sound. i found the fix on linlap.com but i don't know how to implement. could you help please?
[07:05] <avishek> it says that i have to recompile the kernel with a particular flag in the ALSA module. (sos)
[07:05] <avishek> how does one do that?
[07:06] <skircr115> now i don't know what to do for that, my sound works fine, i'd say go download the driver for your sound card... or look at the sound system settings
[07:06] <skircr115> it may just need to be configured
[07:07] <skircr115> #mozilla
[07:07] <avishek> according to linlap.com, the kernel has to be recompile with a REALTEK flag in the alsa module
[07:08] <avishek> but that really defeats me
[07:08] <skircr115> hmm... odd, usually it does that during start up.
[07:08] <skircr115> idk what else you could try.
[07:08] <Lynoure> Roey: Network through it just did not work after a recovery from hibernation.
[07:08] <Roey> ok
[07:09] <Lynoure> Seems ok now, but I should try if so that I hibernate in mid-traffic
[07:09] <skircr115> i now feel just as lost as you feel
[07:09] <Lynoure> But that's for some other day
[07:09] <avishek> not really much. sound manager in system settings is ghosted out
[07:09] <avishek> volume manager icon is slashed out
[07:09] <skircr115> great... i'd try a reinstall then...
[07:10] <avishek> i've reinstalled thrice
[07:10] <avishek> twice because of an x-server problem
[07:10] <skircr115> right click on it... try to enable it somehow....
[07:10] <skircr115> ah... i see
[07:10] <Lynoure> Usually reinstall is not really needed
[07:10] <Lynoure> there is dpkg-reconfigure for a reason :)
[07:10] <skircr115> i understand that, but in some rare cases it is needed.
[07:11] <avishek> so, some really smart people have said that recompiling the kernel with a realtek flag fixes the problem...
[07:11] <avishek> unfortuately, they haven't explained how to do that
[07:11] <skircr115> yeah, idk how either.
[07:11] <flaccid> !kernel
[07:12] <avishek> thank you all, will do! really appreciate all your help.
[07:12] <Tann> Hello
[07:12] <skircr115> np
[07:13] <avishek> i must say though, kubuntu has been the most seductive experience with computers
[07:13] <skircr115> hope it works out.
[07:13] <mr--t> nite all
[07:13] <skircr115> nite
[07:13] <Tann> I was wondering if anyone knew how to set the permissions of a file for a certaing user in the terminal
[07:13] <avishek> would you beleive it? i live in india, used computers for 10 years; and never heard about linux just because win32 is so prevalent
[07:13] <flaccid> !permissions | Tann
[07:14] <flaccid> Tann: right click on it and goto properties. if you need root, do kdesudo dolphin for example
[07:14] <skircr115> yeah? i learned about it about 2 years ago
[07:14] <Tann> flaccid: like i said, "in the terminal"
[07:14] <avishek> i learned about it only a month ago. and loved it instantly. just wish i could contribute more meaningfully to this project
[07:15] <skircr115> a friend told me about it. yeah, i had ubuntu, just updated to new Kubuntu today
[07:15] <avishek> so i'm considering learning programming, though it seems rather daunting to a simple mind like mine
[07:15] <Tann> maybe this is a better way to put the question. How do i set the owner of a file/directory in the terminal
[07:16] <skircr115> nah, i'm sure that it would be pretty simple, i'd like to learn it too
[07:16] <flaccid> Tann: learn chmod as per link above
[07:16] <skircr115> it'd be a very good skill to know
[07:17] <avishek> i hope so. well, i wish you all the best in your efforts
[07:17] <flaccid> Tann: sudo chmod
[07:18] <avishek> i found out a nice reference book: c++ programming by Deitel. Prenhall publishers. seems very nice
[07:18] <skircr115> awesome, ill check it out, night guys
[07:18] <avishek> good night; thanks again for all your help; hope we meet again.
[07:19] <skircr115> yeah. np, i'm new at this too... but i've been around computers all 15 years of my life.
[07:19] <skircr115> p.s. i'm only 15... lol
[07:19] <djdarkman> I think that desktop effects forces kde4 to use kwin3 how can I change this?
[07:19] <avishek> wll, i'm most impressed.
[07:20] <flaccid> djdarkman: #kubuntu-kde4 but i think the kwin4 came in with beta 1..
[07:20] <arogarth> hello
[07:20] <skircr115> have a good night y'all.
[07:20] <arogarth> need help by googleearth
[07:21] <arogarth> cant connect to googleearth server with my user
[07:21] <flaccid> !googleearth'
[07:21] <flaccid> !googleearth
[07:21] <arogarth> thx
[07:21] <flaccid> i'll install it myself arogarth
[07:23] <arogarth> the problem is, it runs as root
[07:23] <flaccid> why?
[07:23] <arogarth> i cant connect to the server from google by normal user and i see nothinggoogleearth as root in it. But it runs, if i start
[07:24] <arogarth> i have the version 4.3
[07:24] <flaccid> so thats probably your problem
[07:25] <flaccid> lol
[07:26] <flaccid> well so much for helping with that
[07:31] <ajspawn> hello
[07:31] <ajspawn> anyone from usa
[07:51] <_TerroR_> hello, I've downloaded the kubuntu dvd recently. When I try to install, the installer seems to be unable to recognize the partitioning on my HDD... any ideas on what this might be?
[07:52] <_TerroR_> anybody home?)
[07:59] <mhaz> terror:check the md5 sum on your kubuntu iso, it should recognize any partition
[07:59] <th_shdw> what's up with 2.6.18 virtualbax modules??
[07:59] <MyVoice> hi all
[07:59] <frybye> Hi - there is a system to use a usb-storage stick to supply the root authentification instead of entering the password all the time.. what is this system called and which hardware works for it...?
[07:59] <th_shdw> they are not in the repositories
[08:01] <_TerroR_> mhaz: I have, they are identical. Moreover, i dowloaded it as a torrent
[08:01] <_TerroR_> so i think the files are correct
[08:01] <frybye> forget it - I just found the info with google - sorry...
[08:02] <flaccid> frybye: what exactly is the password on?
[08:06] <frybye> flaccid: for the main pw of the system - the one needed for sudo etc.. I intending getting a usb-stick and installing pamusb and need to know which sticks (manuf etc..?) work for this and which not..?
[08:06] <flaccid> the sudo password is the user password
[08:07] <flaccid> im not sure what your problem is here
[08:07] <flaccid> any stick should work
[08:07] <frybye> right - but to avoid having to type it in so often one can use pam-usb and I have heard that some hardware works and some not??
[08:07] <flaccid> probably but you wont know until you try
[08:08] <flaccid> you can configure /etc/sudoers to have no password on that command possibly
[08:08] <frybye> ok if any works that is good to hear .. and I guess it is not much data that has to be used for this - can one use the same stick for normal data storage/access - while being used to authenticate??
[08:08] <frybye> flac
[08:08] <flaccid> which guid are you following
[08:08] <frybye> flaccid: i prefer to have a pw in there...
[08:09] <flaccid> guide
[08:09] <flaccid> then i don't understand you problem. what is the command you are talking about?
[08:09] <frybye> It was just a visitor who told me about some hardware not working...
[08:09] <frybye> it is the user pw - to avoid having to enter the pamusb will authenticate for this..
[08:10] <frybye> so that with the stick int he usb drive one is authenticated and when not there - need to type in each time etc...
[08:10] <frybye> and my ? was not so much about the system - more as to which hardware works...
[08:10] <frybye> no big deal - a usb stick is always usefull even if this or that one did not work for pamusb I geuss..
[08:11] <frybye> I will install when a more knowedegable pal is visiting.. so as not to risk getting stuck..
[08:11] <frybye> there are a number of guides on this topic - google finds the stuff fine...
[08:12] <frybye> just that with google I did not yet find info on which hardware.. perhaps because - like you say pretty much anything works...?
[08:13] <flaccid> !enter | frybye
[08:13] <frybye> k
[08:14] <flaccid> yes but what command is prompting you for the password? i usually use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FolderEncryption which i don't think needs that
[08:16] <flaccid> link me or something. i still don't really know what password it is etc. sorry
[08:17] <Lynoure> frybye: I'm still not sure if you are looking to unlock disk encryption with a usb stick or something else :)
[08:18] <flaccid> yeah im a bit lost there
[08:26] <frybye> Lynoure - no I am talking about the pamusb authenticaton system.. have a look with google - you can see what I mean.. it is a way of authenticating for the use of a pc by use of a usb stick - avoids typing password...
[08:27] <flaccid> i'll check it out. the FolderEncryption and EasyEncryption howtos on the wiki may be better
[08:27] <Lynoure> frybye: seems a lot of hassle for something not that useful
[08:27] <frybye> it could probably be used in respect to disk encription but I am not worried about this - just want to use for the normal login..
[08:28] <frybye> after the 4th or 5th entering the same login in a session a pal who was here suggested this system - I suppose you could say that it is too much bother - but it is only bother once...
[08:28] <flaccid> frybye: well i googled and found this straight up which explains how to do what you want: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-17571.html
[08:29] <frybye> flaccid: the problem was never how to do - it was which hardware cos this visitor said that some sticks work and some not..
[08:30] <flaccid> and did you try yet frybye?
[08:30] <frybye> i have written him an email with request for help on this - and will see what he says.. he has apparently already used it..
[08:31] <frybye> no flaccid cos I wanted to get a stick this morning that -would- work and avoid buyingone that doesnt work...
[08:31] <flaccid> im really not sure how the pendrive would even matter..
[08:32] <frybye> will probably do this when the friend is here again - it just means that when the drive is there one dosent have to enter the pw.. entering the pw will still work when the drive not insterted as far as i know..
[08:33] <frybye> I got the impression somehow that this was a widely used system - perhaps some places it is popular and in other areas not known or used much...?
[08:33] <flaccid> well you never know till you try. if you can't find reports of it not working on certain devs (i can't find reports) then perhaps your chances are very high
[08:33] <flaccid> widely used by who then?
[08:33] <Lynoure> frybye: I'm pretty sure it's not widely used.
[08:33] <frybye> yeah sounds good.. thanx - locals in the linux scene here in Berlin I guess...
[08:34] <frybye> but I don't really know if is popular or not - I just thought it was a good idea...
[08:34] <flaccid> pam is used widely as its pluggable but i don't see everyone running around with pam enabled usb drives..
[08:36] <frybye> if i get it working today/tomorrow I will report back.. ;)
[08:37] <frybye> a key practical thing is if the drive is then accessable for normal data storage while being used for this purpose I guess.. but stupid having a 2gig drive with only 3kb or whatever on it being used..
[08:37] <frybye> e e e bit stupid...
[08:40] <haku> hi ich bin neu hier und brauch mal hilfe, was bedeutet: "kernelpanic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interupt handler!" beim booten?
[08:41] <flaccid> !de | haku
[08:41] <haku> thx
[08:47] <da_> kde4 is going to take some getting used to
[08:47] <da_> !kde4
[08:48] <da_> Does anyone know if I can install the kubuntu-desktop metapackage as well and not screw stuff up?
[08:50] <flaccid> da_: yes you can
[08:52] <da_> I may have too
[08:53] <da_> Kde4 is too new and is messing up my juju
[08:53] <da_> I need to relearn stuff and I keep on saying it doesn't act the same
[08:53] <da_> I donno if dolphin was a good idea... Konqueror was good enough for me
[08:53] <da_> And I can get rid of it without messing things up
[08:54] <Pennycook> da_: Dolphin isn't just the default in KDE4; it's been the default since Gutsy.
[08:55] <da_> I know
[08:55] <da_> pisses me off
[08:55] <da_> I don't need it lol
[08:55] <da_> just a personal opinion that's all
[08:55] <Pennycook> da_: Then just don't use it.  Set Konqueror to the default instead.
[08:56] <da_> I'll try, but in the meantime if I delete dolphin I loose some functions in konqueror
[08:57] <Jucato> please put your opinion on hold at least until KDE 4.1. Dolphin is a lot lot nicer there.
[08:57] <Jucato> (besides, Konqueror is actually using Dolphin for the file management part)
[08:57] <Jucato> (oh and until KDE 4.1, the Konqueror-Dolphin integration is a bit messy)
[08:57] <Pennycook> da_: I didn't say to remove Dolphin.  You can just set Konquerer as the default using System Settings > Advanced > File Associations (in KDE 4.1) and I think you can do it in KDE3 using kcontrol.
[08:58] <da_> Pennycook: Why have stuff on my computer I don't use?
[08:58] <Jucato> D3lphin (KDE 3) and Dolphin (KDE 4) are 2 completely different things
[08:58] <da_> Well if I don't need it... Logically I should be able to delete it
[08:58] <da_> Jucato: I see that
[08:58] <Jucato> who says you don't *need* it?
[08:59] <Jucato> like I said, Konqueror uses Dolphin (dolphinpart, embedded dolphin) for the file management view
[08:59] <da_> In kde3 I don't need dolphin... Konqueror worked before right?  If it ain't broken don't fix it
[08:59] <Jucato> so remove the curse that is d3lphin
[08:59] <da_> SO basically they are dependencies of each other now
[09:00] <Jucato> KDE 3? no
[09:00] <Jucato> only the way Kubuntu set it up. but KDE 3 never depends on D3lphin
[09:01] <da_> I'll figure it out later
[09:01] <da_> I am just telling you what happens
[09:02] <Jucato> although you seem to be mixing D3lphin and Dolphin... Dolphin is lightyears ahead of D3lphin (that, and development on D3lphin stopped half a year ago)
[09:02] <da_> I can't press F9 and and get that sidebar once I remove it
[09:02]  * Jucato hasn't touched d3lphin in ages... can't remember how it works anymore
[09:04] <da_> I'd use konqueror for all my needs if it would read certain websites correctly
[09:09] <da_> Hmm
[09:10] <da_> ah well
[09:15] <blackplasma> hello
[09:15] <blackplasma> I am getting this error message when I scroll over html files
[09:15] <blackplasma> The desktop entry file
[09:15] <blackplasma> /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[09:15] <blackplasma> has an invalid menu entry
[09:15] <blackplasma> addAsPodcast.
[09:15] <blackplasma> anyone knows how to fix it ??
[09:17] <flaccid> which kde is this?
[09:17] <blackplasma> 3
[09:17] <flaccid> pastebin please
[09:17] <blackplasma> im sorry I am an IRC noob
[09:18] <flaccid> np
[09:18] <blackplasma> btw
[09:18] <blackplasma> do you mean the one that appears in the message?
[09:19] <flaccid> yep the /usr/share/apps....desktop
[09:20] <da_> The konsole in kde4 won't allow transparent background?
[09:20] <flaccid> da_: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[09:20] <da_> like I knew
[09:20] <da_> bye
[09:20] <flaccid> ciao
[09:20] <flaccid> its in the topic :)
[09:20] <blackplasma> flaccid, I am uploading it to my server
[09:21] <flaccid> fair enough
[09:22] <blackplasma> ftp://blackplasma.codealife.com/home/blackplasma/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[09:23] <KRF> blackplasma, its pw protected
[09:23] <flaccid> blackplasma: is there a reason you put it on an ftp server and not pastebin?
[09:23] <KRF> !pastebin | blackplasma
[09:24] <KRF> if you know the fix please let me know, i'll commit it to amarok branch
[09:25] <flaccid> also blackplasma how do i replicate this bug, just open exactly?
[09:27] <JiajiaX2> Is someone running KDE4.1 beta now?
[09:27] <flaccid> yeah
[09:28] <avishek> when is the next kubuntu LTS scheduled for release?
[09:28] <flaccid> don't think there is one scheduled. dapper it is atm
[09:28] <JiajiaX2> is it stable?
[09:29] <flaccid> iirc
[09:29] <flaccid> in theory but its very old. i wouldn't use it myself. do you understand lts? its for commercial support
[09:29] <avishek> i do.
[09:30] <flaccid> so because of the transition period, canonical dropped kubuntu lts
[09:30] <avishek> actually, though dapper is the only version that runs on my laptop
[09:31] <blackplasma> flaccid, http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1041092
[09:31] <avishek> but lts is not just commercial - according to johnathan riddell, the lts tag is given "to exceptionally stable releases"
[09:31] <flaccid> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002066.html
[09:31] <flaccid> avishek ^
[09:32] <flaccid> Riddell if you are around, maybe you would like to comment
[09:33] <flaccid> but in a practical sense, unless you are getting commercial support from canonical then it is merely a tag and we support mainly the current/latest releases here as thats what most users use
[09:33] <rozzo> hello guys
[09:33] <rozzo> ihave a question, kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4 is stable?
[09:34] <flaccid> rozzo: in theory yes, in practice perhaps not
[09:34] <rozzo> flaccid, you use it?
[09:34] <flaccid> see what sorry?
[09:34] <HollowPoint> I'm sure I read in the release schedule the other day that 8.10 was going to be LTS? Maybe I mis-read it
[09:34] <flaccid> avishek: also of interest http://lwn.net/Articles/263161/
[09:35] <rozzo> flaccid, you use kde 4 with kubuntu?
[09:35] <flaccid> different story for kubuntu than ubuntu as kde is in dev period
[09:35] <flaccid> rozzo: yeah im on 4.1 beta atm
[09:36] <avishek> thank you flaccid. if you don't mind my asking, are you a kubuntu developer?
[09:36] <rozzo> but application crash very often ?
[09:36] <flaccid> avishek: not yet. im kubuntu tester and helper and web dev in day job
[09:36] <flaccid> +a
[09:37] <HollowPoint> I did missread it, 8.04 is LTS according to the release schedule :s confuzzled now
[09:37] <avishek> hollowpoint: ubuntu 8.04 is LTS, not kubuntu
[09:38] <flaccid> HollowPoint: dapper is current lts atm, nice and old :)
[09:38] <rozzo> flaccid, application crash very often?
[09:38] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmm, seems strange, it does indeed say ubuntu 8.04 LTS but I'm reviewing the Kubuntu Release schedule not Ubuntus oh well
[09:39] <flaccid> LTS makes sense in a corporate environment for consistancy but it lacks a lot for the other users
[09:39] <HollowPoint> ah well onward and upward, I can't wait for 8.10 every release of Kubuntu/Ubuntu impresses me :D
[09:39] <flaccid> lacks as in Dapper
[09:39] <rozzo> flaccid, get kubuntu with kde 3.5 or 4?
[09:39] <rozzo> for home use
[09:40] <flaccid> rozzo: nah its mainly small things not big crashes
[09:40] <blackplasma> flaccid
[09:40] <flaccid> rozzo: its your choice! do both like i do ;)
[09:40] <KRF> rozzo, 3.5 i suppose
[09:40] <HollowPoint> we're looking at using 8.04 at the moment for a corporate roll-out, we have many clients that are getting really annoyed with Windows/MS in general and are requesting more open source avenues, of course my first recommendation was Kubuntu :D
[09:40] <blackplasma> I removed the html/text entry
[09:40] <rozzo> ok
[09:40] <rozzo> flaccid, i try kde 4 :D
[09:40] <rozzo> thanks at all
[09:40] <rozzo> :D
[09:40] <avishek> hollowpoint: i'm with you too!
[09:41] <rozzo> bye bye guys
[09:41] <flaccid> well if you have the skillset in the IT dept. ie. linux etc. then using a late release is sensible
[09:41] <flaccid> np cia0
[09:41] <blackplasma> I have another problem
[09:41] <blackplasma> my ATI radeon x1600 driver is not installing properly
[09:41] <HollowPoint> myself and one other engineer are linux competent, we're looking to increase the number of Linux servers we support first of all but we're putting together plans so that we could put forward proposals for Kubuntu Workstations, even in a windows server environment
[09:42] <flaccid> blackplasma: did you pastebin yet?
[09:42] <flaccid> blackplasma: why?
[09:42] <blackplasma> I gave u the link
[09:42] <blackplasma>  http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1041092
[09:42] <flaccid> HollowPoint: cool well the kde 3.5.9 is pretty rock solid atm
[09:42] <flaccid> apologies blackplasma
[09:42] <blackplasma> I removed the html/text entry
[09:43] <blackplasma> its okay
[09:43] <HollowPoint> yeah I agree, that's the one we'd be looking at rolling out in a corporate sense, plus KDE 3.5.9 reflects WinXP in so many ways that it won't be too hard for the End users to adapt
[09:43] <avishek> flaccid: what is the rationale behind such a relatively fast release schedule
[09:45] <flaccid> avishek: i couldn't explain the whole possible rationale but it gives good flexiblity. a lot of featues and so forth were yet to be developed and implemented in earlier releases but are in newer ones. ability to upgrade especially because of a bug or limitation is great. if you can't upgrade sometimes it either gets messy or you simply cannot hack it
[09:45] <flaccid> thats only 1 reason
[09:46] <flaccid> if you made a corporate policy with software on desktops in your workgroups based on dapper and dapper fulfills it then great. but then when a user has a requirement outside of that and dapper cannot provide..
[09:46] <HollowPoint> flaccid didn't I hear somewhere that Kubuntu/Ubuntu tends to be more stable on the .04 releases than the .10 releases? ie .04 is tried and tested and .10 is more bleeding edge?
[09:47] <flaccid> .4 is for april, .10 is for october..
[09:47] <HollowPoint> nothing more than that?
[09:47] <flaccid> 8 is for 2008. its a dated versioning scheme
[09:47] <HollowPoint> fair enough
[09:47] <flaccid> it basically fakes major and point releases. eg. the longer you wait for another release the later the version will look. what 4 years and you have skipped up to 5 major releases lol
[09:48] <flaccid> what=wait
[09:48] <HollowPoint> lol I never wait that long, every six months I upgrade to the latest release :D
[09:48] <flaccid> that is compared to the normal incremental versioning schemes.
[09:48] <avishek> flaccid: i'm using both dapper and hardy, but i'm worried that after dapper's lts term completes, will updates be no longer available for it?
[09:49] <flaccid> yeah it was an example. i mean when its 15.x ,its not really 15 major versions
[09:49] <avishek> flaccid: or am i just being silly
[09:49] <HollowPoint> sorry yeah I understood what you meant, should have acknowledged that lol
[09:50] <flaccid> avishek: probably not, can't say. you can always upgrade to the next LTS or desired release at that stage. i've done dapper to hardy upgrades before which linux sysadmins should be able to handle
[09:52] <avishek> flaccid: you see, when we invest in hardware, it's for a long, long time - we can't afford to upgrade. but since every new release of kubuntu has higher system requirements, i'm worried that we'll be stuck in a situation where we no longer receive updates...
[09:53] <flaccid> i dont see the requirements going up much. and it comes down to the desktop environment. kde3 is still going to be around for a while and kde4 probably needs marginally more power
[09:54] <flaccid> its not a windows situation where vista means upgrading hardware
[09:55] <flaccid> kde4 can be faster due to qt4's efficiency compared to qt3 as well
[09:56] <HollowPoint> KDE3 is supported until 2K10 though isn't it?
[09:56] <avishek> yes, i read that kde4 is 40% than kde3
[09:56] <HollowPoint> or have I read wrong again? lol
[09:56] <SSJ_GZ> avishek: Lots of figures like that were floating around in 2005 - I've never really seen any benchmarks, though, so I ignore them.
[09:57] <da_> kde4 looks good lol
[09:57] <llutz> how will you compare kde3/4 if most of the kde4-apps are still missing?
[09:58] <HollowPoint> I didn't really get on with it, didn't like the widgety desktop icons and it reminded me a little too much of Vista **Ducks behind the couch**
[09:58] <flaccid> llutz: there is a lot of kde4 ports already for a test cross-section
[09:59] <da_> HollowPoint: why duck behind a couch?
[09:59] <avishek> i did install kde4; really enjoyed it; but i still prefer kde3 look
[09:59] <HollowPoint> for saying that KDE could in any way ever remind anyone of Vista
[09:59] <da_> HollowPoint: It can look like it easy...
 that is sacrilege
[09:59] <rod_> reminded me of vista
[09:59] <da_> HollowPoint: so what?
[09:59] <HollowPoint> I HATE Vista with a passion
[10:00] <llutz> HollowPoint: but wasn't _that_ kde4s intention? :)
[10:00] <HollowPoint> I severely hope not
[10:00] <flaccid> i'd have to buy a new notebook if i used vista. this way i can use kde4 and desktop effects and not have to buy a new one till the hardware dies
[10:00] <HollowPoint> it was meant to compete with Vista maybe, not look like it
[10:01] <avishek> what is the future of kubuntu?
[10:01] <llutz> target missed
[10:01] <rod_> i was game to give  it a try but i had work to do, so i went back to 3. 4 is not work-ready afaict
[10:01] <flaccid> im a bit confused. it doesn't look like vista at all. and there was a lot around before vista that one could say vista copied
[10:02] <da_> HollowPoint: I do too, but linux is behind kde4 all the way
[10:02] <da_> HollowPoint: And there is no way Vista can be kde4
[10:02] <da_> HollowPoint: So why worry?
[10:02] <da_> To me it looks macish
[10:02] <minhaaj> my thunderbird mail can't find my other partition to add files to attachments
[10:03] <minhaaj> any idea, could it be root access problem ?
[10:03] <da_> flaccid: I ain't knocking anyone...  You can make anything look like anything if you want to
[10:03] <flaccid> well graphic designers have always been designing eye candy and guis. now its on your desktop..
[10:03] <da_> flaccid: Yep...
[10:03] <HollowPoint> flaccid, my opinion of Vista is that it's an attempt to copy Linux, UAC = sudo, desktop widgets been around forever in Linux, program switcher etc all copied
[10:04] <minhaaj> flaccid:  i figured out why my google earth wasn't workng with kde
[10:04] <rod_> minhaaj, is your other partition mounted? if so, how
[10:04] <minhaaj> it was compiz
[10:04] <minhaaj> rod_:   how do i check that ?
[10:04] <da_> flaccid: I have used fluxbox, twm, and some of the lower end ones
[10:04] <minhaaj> i shut down compiz and google earth worked great.
[10:04] <da_> flaccid: I don't have a problem with them...  I just hate Gnome for some reason it doesn't jive with me
[10:04] <rod_> minhaaj: $mount
[10:04] <flaccid> minhaaj: yes it doesn't work with compositing
[10:05] <minhaaj> HollowPoint:  forever ? KDE was started by ubuntu and it was started in 2002
[10:05] <minhaaj> hang on rod_
[10:05] <minhaaj> rod_:  what $mount ?
[10:05] <flaccid> kde was started by ubuntu ? huh
[10:05] <rod_> just type mount at a terminal
[10:05] <minhaaj> kubuntu - kde ?
[10:06] <minhaaj> mount or $mount ?
[10:06] <rod_> mount, no $
[10:06] <llutz> flaccid: an ms invented the internet, yes!
[10:06] <HollowPoint> actually AT&T did that
[10:06] <HollowPoint> but yeah
[10:06] <minhaaj> ok hang on let me pastebin
[10:07] <flaccid> i don't think kde devels would of like to have heard that :) http://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php
[10:07] <avishek> i thought it was ARPA that invented the internet
[10:07] <minhaaj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17871/
[10:07] <flaccid> hehe sarcasm
[10:07] <llutz> avishek: you're right, "internet" was former arpa-net
[10:07] <minhaaj> what other distro uses kde except ubuntu ?
[10:07] <flaccid> minhaaj: dozens. check distro watch. opensuse, mandriva etc.
[10:08] <HollowPoint> da gnome can be wicked, I've got a Debian VM running in my Kubuntu install with Gnome and I've "prettied it up" I know what you mean though, I used to hate Gnome
[10:08] <minhaaj> oh ok.
[10:08] <minhaaj> gnome is useless
[10:08] <minhaaj> if it weren't for kde, windows users would never switch
[10:08] <HollowPoint> not true but yes KDE does give more reason for the "timid" windows users to be less afraid of switching
[10:09] <minhaaj> absolutely true.
[10:09] <flaccid> kde founder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich
[10:09] <avishek> here's an interesting experience i had:...
[10:09] <avishek> i used both gnome and kde...
[10:09] <minhaaj> what loser would like to configure X for ubuntu instead of installing tension free kubuntu
[10:09] <gabry> s
[10:09] <flaccid> they share the same configure X program minhaaj :)
[10:09] <avishek> and i stuck to gnome for a long time because i read that it's written in c, and so it's faster
[10:10] <HollowPoint> lmfao minhaaj you don't have to configure X for ubuntu, it installs the same way Kubuntu does, just Kubuntu has KDE and Ubuntu has Gnome
[10:10] <Lord_Drachenblut> I think kde is more feature rich than explorer.exe
[10:10] <minhaaj> atleast kubuntu doesnt ask for it
[10:10] <minhaaj> KDE is the 'real' thing.
[10:10] <flaccid> Lord_Drachenblut: if you havnt yet checkout Krusader :)
[10:10] <HollowPoint> lmfso I love this guy
[10:10] <SSJ_GZ> avishek: The difference in speed between C and C++ is basically neglible, and swamped by use of efficient algorithms and intelligent use of caching.
[10:10] <avishek> but kde was far more responsive on the same configuration than gnome, even though it's written in c++
[10:10] <Lord_Drachenblut> flaccid: I have tried it in the past didin't like it much then..... i am sticking with dolphin for now
[10:11] <rod_> ok... "my thunderbird mail can't find my other partition to add files to attachments"
[10:11] <flaccid> Lord_Drachenblut: interesting. nice feedback..
[10:11] <avishek> ssj_gz: is kde faster than gnome?
[10:11] <flaccid> the real comparison here is the gtk to qt but hey we are probably a bit off topic
[10:12] <usamahashimi> hello everyone
[10:12] <SSJ_GZ> avishek: That's far too vague a question to have a meaningful answer :)
[10:12] <usamahashimi> i have mistakenly remove "System Tray", can anyone tell me that how can i add it (again)?
[10:12] <flaccid> minhaaj: what was your paste for?
[10:12] <avishek> i'm sorry ssj_gz, let me rephrase that...
[10:13] <Lord_Drachenblut> flaccid: I first heard of krusader on rfa
[10:13] <flaccid> minhaaj: did you report the amarok .desktop problem back. i think your fix is right becaue podcasts are xml, there is no html component right?
[10:14] <flaccid> rfa?
[10:14] <avishek> for any ubuntu release, the gnome desktop is stated to require less memory than kde, but in my experience kde runs much faster than gnome. that's a;;
[10:14] <avishek> that's all ... sorry for the typo
[10:14] <Woxdee> I just spent 2 hours manually creating an ext3 filesystem with the '-c -c' option to make sure it avoided certain bad blocks.  I'm about to do an install and notice the installer demands formatting the partition.  Won't this undo my tedious badblock scan for that partition?
[10:15] <Lord_Drachenblut> flaccid: radio freak america.... an older internet radio show they did 99 eps and then ended the show
[10:15] <SSJ_GZ> avishek: Memory comparisons have been done, and GNOME and KDE3 are practically http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html, http://spooky-possum.org/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi/kdevsgnome.htmlequal:
[10:15] <flaccid> avishek: thats because of deps really. gnome has a big tree of system deps common to other things. kde is more portable with a nice tree :)
[10:16] <flaccid> Lord_Drachenblut: cool
[10:16] <SSJ_GZ> avishek: KDE4 uses more in general, though, mainly due to the double-buffering of all Qt4 widgets.
[10:16] <rod_> Woxdee: yeah, most likely. I've never found a persistent way to mark bad blocks
[10:16] <usamahashimi> can anyone help me about adding system tray?
[10:16] <flaccid> kde3, usamahashimi?
[10:17] <Bever> erhm im having problems getting Compiz to work.. Got the right packages installed (i think) but whatever i change in the settings does not seem to change anything in my interface
[10:17] <Woxdee> damn it..  Installers used to have 'check for bad blocks during format', why the hell has that been removed?
[10:17] <usamahashimi> flaccid: yes, 3.5.9
[10:17] <flaccid> usamahashimi: from memory you right click the kicker panel and goto add applet and then system tray <-- something like that
[10:18] <flaccid> Woxdee: scanning for badblocks takes a long time compared to a fsck
[10:18] <flaccid> do badblocks on a 500GB disk and you probably wouldn't get install done that day if its older hardware
[10:18] <usamahashimi> flaccid: i tried that but the system tray is not given in the list
[10:19] <avishek> flaccid: amazing, how do you manage to answer so many questions at once? and how fast do you type
[10:19] <Woxdee> flaccid: I know, I simply don't understand why it's removed as an optional feature.
[10:19] <rod_> Woxdee, I don't know, I pretend to be a 'linux user' like some peroplek claim to be 'Mac people', but I do remember that ext2 was a lot more resilient
[10:19] <flaccid> can anyone else help usamahashimi im not on kde3 atm? usamahashimi try #kde as well and specify your kde version
[10:19] <flaccid> Woxdee: oh, it was in kubuntu installer at some point?
[10:19] <rod_> s/peroplek/people
[10:19] <usamahashimi> flaccid: ok, thanks by the way
[10:20] <flaccid> avishek: waiting for my g/f heh then ill be off :)
[10:20] <usamahashimi> Can anyone else help me?
[10:20] <flaccid> np
[10:20] <Woxdee> flaccid: Dunno, really, I was thinking of my older days with mandrake and slackware, etc.
[10:20] <flaccid> maybe they took it out as hard disks became quite large
[10:20] <Bever> can anyone help me getting my compiz to work? :)
[10:20] <flaccid> didn't want people to go, oh sweet lets do that as well
[10:20] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | Bever
[10:21] <Bever> thanks :)
[10:21] <flaccid> avishek: oh i guess 1. i spent a lot of time with kubuntu etc. 2. up to 120wpm but accuracy at 70wpm :)
[10:21] <Woxdee> Well, assuming that the installer uses mkfs to format the partition, if I do something like 'alias mkfs='mkfs -c -c'' in the commandline and issue the installer command manually from there, would that ensure the installer does it the way I need it?
[10:21] <flaccid> np
[10:22] <rod_> ... or is your hard drive needing replacement? just askin'
[10:22] <Woxdee> or even rename the mkfs binaries and replace them with scripts calling the renamed original binaries with the appropriate commandline arguments.
[10:23] <flaccid> Woxdee: maybe but i can't remember the ins and outs of the installer. the sensible thing would be to boot into the livecd goto konsole and do your badblocks/scans then click the Install icon and install after that
[10:23] <avishek> flaccid: nice to know, then there's hope for newbies like me too! :)
[10:23] <Woxdee> rod_: Strictly speaking, yes, it has bad blocks and I know they're there.  It's just the only drive I have for the machine, and it's not for critical data, so I'm ok with a badblock scan and some crossed fingers.
[10:23] <flaccid> avishek: totally. you will still see me be a large n00b at times
[10:23] <rod_> cool, i do that a lot myself :)
[10:24] <Woxdee> flaccid: Yeah, I just did that and entered the installer after a manual 'mkfs.ext3 -c -c /dev/sda2', but when it came to the formatting I got worried the installer's new formatting would just overwrite the list of bad blocks on the fs that my 'mkfs' had achieved.
[10:24] <avishek> flaccid: i must be forgetting my manners. but a delayed thanks to you for your help in answering my queries
[10:25] <flaccid> minhaaj: sorry wat was your pastebin again for , for mount?
[10:26] <flaccid> Woxdee: ah true. i can't remember how the badblocks are marked myself and if formatting overwrites them. in fat it was definately the case
[10:26] <flaccid> avishek: np :)
[10:27] <HollowPoint> are the bad blocks at the start of the disk?
[10:30] <Woxdee> HollowPoint: Some here and there, it seems most are at the first 15 gigs or so.
[10:30] <HollowPoint> ouch
[10:30] <HollowPoint> big drive?
[10:31] <avishek> does anyone have any experience to share about kubuntu making a real difference?
[10:31] <HollowPoint> made a real difference to me
[10:31] <avishek> me too, but i meant on a larger social scale
[10:32] <HollowPoint> when 7.04 came out I STOPPED using Windows at home
[10:32] <HollowPoint> except when I absolutely HAVE to use it for work purposes and I happen to be working from home
[10:33] <avishek> i'm the partner of a small startup firm in india. our starting capital was about $20. if we didn't have kubuntu, we'd never be able to start up our firm
[10:33] <balazs> a program, whit add to images frames and affects?
[10:33] <Woxdee> HollowPoint: Ishly, 40 gigs.
[10:33] <Woxdee> avishek: Good story :)
[10:34] <HollowPoint> yeah very nice story avishek
[10:34] <HollowPoint> Woxdee that sucks, was thinking maybe you could just partition the drive so as not to use the sector with the bad blocks but thats not really possible on a 40 gb drive when the first 15gb are fubarred
[10:37] <avishek> but that's not all; kdeedu has immense potential to bring about social upliftment in india
[10:39] <HollowPoint> social upliftment?
[10:42] <avishek> hollowpoint: we introduced kubuntu to a rundown charitable school. the kids loved it
[10:43] <avishek> the school management loved it: no one could believe so much came for free
[10:44] <Woxdee> heh
[10:44] <avishek> most govt schools in india are underfunded and unable to use computers in a meaningful way as an educational tool
[10:45] <flaccid> KRF: ping. that .desktop amarok thang.. user removed the text/html mimetype which to me makes sense as podcast is xml. anyway that fixed it
[10:45] <KRF> flaccid, dunno if thats okay, its more a workaround
[10:46] <flaccid> KRF: i don't use ipod or podcasts so i dont even know what the file is for
[10:46] <HollowPoint> yeah we had a similar idea for some of the schools over here in NZ avishek
[10:47] <avishek> hollowpoint: i think kubuntu can make a real difference. care to hear a related story?
[10:49] <avishek> bill gates started a fund for the children of stigmatised children in my hometown calcutta. however, the managers of the fund had to sign a contract promising that they would only use microsoft products. how unfair is that?
[10:51] <avishek> when we showed the managers kubuntu, they loved it, admitted that it would be helpful, but could not implement it because of their contract
[10:51] <level1> hi, I'm having a lot of trouble with konqueror in kde 4.1 beta 1... it starts up, and everything, everything is greyed out.
[10:51] <Lord_Drachenblut> avishek: I find it funnier that bill gates said he would give millions to aids research but that the researchs had to "share" there findings
[10:52] <Lord_Drachenblut> I appreicate that it will be shared
[10:52] <Lord_Drachenblut> but the man who has made his billions based on closing things off to everyone wants people to share now
[10:54] <guillermo_spain> hi
[10:55] <guillermo_spain> i've installed KDE4 and icons doesn't work, (they look all as the multimedia icon), any idea?
[10:56] <flaccid> level1: kde4 help is not here :)
[10:56] <guillermo_spain> well, they're kubuntu's kde4 packages
[10:57] <flaccid> guillermo_spain: on kde3? and which pkg?
[10:59] <guillermo_spain> flaccid no, they're kde4, and they belong to hardy heron
[10:59] <flaccid> guillermo_spain: kde4 help is in #kubuntu-kde4 channel
[11:00] <guillermo_spain> ok, thanks
[11:03] <avishek> to one and all: thank you all, it has been an honour meeting you. but all good things come to an end, so i must bid you farewell. best wishes to all, and most of all, to kubuntu
[11:04] <flaccid> good luck and take it easy avishek
[11:09] <valerio> !list
[11:09] <Krust> Hello
[11:10] <Krust> Need some help with ubuntu
[11:13] <HollowPoint> ??
[11:16] <jasmin_> hi
[11:18] <HollowPoint> hi
[11:18] <flaccid> !ask | Krust
[11:28] <Krust> Well, my question is : How can I choose Lilo instaed of grub when installing ubunut ?
[11:29] <flaccid> !lilo
[11:29] <flaccid> !alternate | Krust
[11:29] <flaccid> Krust i believe the alternate cd has the option
[11:32] <JoshOvki> Krust: if you already have kununtu install with grub instead of reinstalling you could try this http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p4.html#Install_Lilo_from_terminal
[11:36] <FSHero> Hi all:  I am trying to get my higher screen resolutions back after enabling the nvidia proprietary driver.
[11:37] <Krust> thannks for your help
[11:37] <FSHero> When I restart Kubuntu 8.04 i386 into recovery mode and run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", I am not given any options about my monitor resolutions (unlike in 7.04 Feisty, where I was given a list that I could 'check the boxes' of).
[11:38] <FSHero> How can I get back to this list, so I may add 1024x768 etc. resolutions?
[11:39] <flaccid> FSHero: did you try changing it in system settings?
[11:40] <FSHero> flaccid: Yes, it only went up to 640x480
[11:40] <flaccid> FSHero: thats the max?
[11:41] <sigma_> whats a linux replacement for ms frontpage? i need something to slice a image so that different parts of it hyperlink to different webpages
[11:41] <flaccid> !info quanta
[11:41] <FSHero> flaccid: System Settings goes up to 640x480. But I know my monitor has a max of 1024x768 -- I am writing this right now  with the nv driver!
[11:42] <HollowPoint> sigma I like Bluefish, not sure if it'll do what you've just requested but I think it does
[11:42] <sigma_> flaccid: does that have a gui like frontpage?
[11:42] <flaccid> FSHero: check xrandr -q for max resolution and try changing with krandrtray. otherwise might have to edit xorg.conf manual
[11:42] <flaccid> sigma_: yeah. kde is a guid..
[11:42] <Jucato> !info kimagemapeditor
[11:42] <sigma_> HollowPoint: il take a look
[11:42] <flaccid> bluefish good too but is gtk
[11:43] <Jucato> Quanta+ isn't fully WYSIWYG though... but it does the job
[11:43] <Jucato> not yet sure how kimagemapeditor fits into the workflow, but it's there
[11:43] <HollowPoint> wouldn't say bluefish was fully WYSIWYG either, but then neither is frontpage in my opinion
[11:44] <flaccid> well there is no complaint wysiwyg on the market anyway...
[11:44] <FSHero> flaccid: thx. Do I run xrandr -q in recovery mode or is it okay to run it with X already started?
[11:45] <Jucato> complaint wysiwyg?
[11:45] <flaccid> FSHero: do it in normal mode
[11:45] <Jucato> !info kompozer
[11:45] <flaccid> Jucato: yeah valid xhtml/css and semantic
[11:46] <FSHero> flaccid: ok, I'm going to enable the proprietary driver then run xrandr. Thanks for the help!
[11:46] <Jucato> flaccid: ah compliant
[11:46] <flaccid> FSHero: no problem
[11:46] <flaccid> yeah dreamweaver still has a lot to go but at least they have the DWTF
[11:46] <Jucato> complaint <-- something you complained about; compliant <-- something that complies with something (a standard or something)
[11:47] <flaccid> Jucato: i make about 100 typos a day
[11:47] <flaccid> sorry br0ther
[11:47] <Jucato> flaccid: no problem... except when a typo produces a totally different meaning :)
[11:48] <flaccid> quite ironic when i was talking about semantics :)
[11:48] <flaccid> i gotta cook dinner. catchyas a bit later
[12:07] <FSHero> flaccid: Hi there, it's me trying to add higher resolutions from earlier!
[12:08] <FSHero> flaccid: I ran xrandr -q
[12:08] <FSHero> flaccid: I got these results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17958/
[12:09] <FSHero> flaccid: also krandrtray doesn't help -- I'm still stuck at 640x480 as I speak.
[12:18] <FSHero> Okay so http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=810528 says that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not add resolutions starting with Hardy.
[12:18] <FSHero> Is there another 'newbie-friendly' way I can add 1024x768 to my xorg.conf?
[12:18] <flaccid> FSHero: correct. and why did krandrtay not work?
[12:19] <FSHero> Should I use one of those 'modeline' generators from the internet?
[12:19] <FSHero> flaccid: krandrtray is not working because the only resolution it goes up to is 640x480
[12:19] <FSHero> Curse these proprietary NVIDIA drivers!
[12:19] <flaccid> FSHero: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log first please
[12:20] <flaccid> need to see why it didnt' detect high resolutions in randr but probably wont' need a modeline just specify the resolution manually in xorg.conf. after looking at those two files i see what needs to be done
[12:20] <FSHero> flaccid: k one sec
[12:21] <FSHero> flaccid: xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/17961/
[12:22] <FSHero> flaccid: Xorg.0.log is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/17962/
[12:22] <FSHero> flaccid: btw, thx for the help... this problem is quite annoying and important to me!
[12:23] <flaccid> nw
[12:24] <flaccid> FSHero: its not using the nvidia driver, not device specified. please goto kdesudo jockey-kde and disable the restricted driver then re-check/re-enable it and then check xorg.conf for driver
[12:24] <flaccid> not=no
[12:25] <FSHero> flaccid: What do you mean by "not device specified"? Also, if it helps, glxgears works.
[12:26] <flaccid> there is no device specified in xorg.conf so its not using nvidia restricted driver, thus we re-enable it
[12:30] <FSHero> Okay, "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)" is unchecked. So I check it, presumably?
[12:30] <flaccid> yep
[12:30] <FSHero> flaccid: ok, I did it and closed the driver manager. Do I restart X?
[12:31] <flaccid> did the driver manager so reboot/restart required?
[12:31] <soso> salut
[12:32] <FSHero> flaccid: I haven't restarted my computer. the driver manager didn't say so (I don't think -- I can't remember!)
[12:32] <flaccid> sorry ask you to reboot FSHero
[12:32] <flaccid> FSHero: reboot as its kernel dependant otherwise you would have to load the mod etc.
[12:32] <FSHero> flaccid: ok see you in a minute!
[12:32] <soso> vous parlez francais
[12:32] <flaccid> np
[12:32] <FSHero> flaccid: Aha... I've just been doing Ctrl+backspace to restart X -- lol!
[12:33] <FSHero> flaccid: okay bye!
[12:33] <flaccid> thats only if X full crashes :)
[12:37] <flaccid> wb
[12:37] <FSHero> flaccid: Hi there, I think it worked!
[12:37] <flaccid> mad..
[12:37] <FSHero> flaccid: I have a problem I shall tell you about in a minute -- I'm in a failsafe terminal.
[12:38] <flaccid> k
[12:38] <FSHero> flaccid: But I've got 1024x768, and glxgears works!
[12:38] <flaccid> FSHero: sweet. just fyi thats how you enable it etc. without fuss
[12:38] <FSHero> flaccid: The reason I'm in a failsafe terminal is: when I try to log in normally (KDE3), I get a blank screen -- and...
[12:39] <FSHero> flaccid: ... the monitor light which should usually be green is instead yellow - 'standbuy' mode
[12:39] <flaccid> FSHero: run startkde in the failsafe terminal and see the problem
[12:39] <FSHero> flaccid: so, to enable in the future, I just use jockey-kde?
[12:40] <flaccid> FSHero: yep totally
[12:41] <FSHero> flaccid: I've still got a problem -- but I have to go afk for a while
[12:41] <FSHero> flaccid: thanks for the help!
[12:41] <FSHero> flaccid: b back in ~ 45 minutes
[12:41] <flaccid> ok np. and jocky is Hardware Drivers Manager in the menu
[12:41] <flaccid> ok im washing up then
[12:49] <ZmAY> hello, can anyone tell me how to mount mobile telephone over USB
[13:04] <flaccid> ZmAY: in adept | manage repos | third party
[13:05] <flaccid> !adept | ZmAY
[13:06] <ZmAY> i installed wammu but it doesent find any phone connected
[13:24] <lorddemos> Привет
[13:25] <lorddemos> народ помогите мне кто-то.... у меня дрова на NVIDIA рагульно встают... что делать?
[13:25] <dr_Willis> ~ru
[13:25] <dr_Willis> !ru
[13:29] <FSHero> ZmAY: do you still want to mount your mobile phone over usb?
[13:29] <jussi01> Hrm, does anyone know either where some documentation for the final steps of ndis wrapper setup are, or could tell me how to configure after modprobing ndiswrapper?
[13:30] <ZmAY> yes
[13:30] <FSHero> flaccid: I'm back! (guy with the nvidia resolutions problem)
[13:31] <FSHero> ZmAY: So... when you plug in the mobile phone, nothing automatically comes up saying "open in new window"? Also, what phone do you have?
[13:31] <ZmAY> nothing comes up, sonny ericsson K530i
[13:31] <ZmAY> nowi also installed Phone Manager 0.7
[13:32] <FSHero> ZmAY: Intriguing... I have a Sony Ericsson K750i and it works fine. Okay, assuming that the driver is present...
[13:32] <FSHero> ZmAY: you should make a directory such as /media/phone :Run from Konsole: "sudo mkdir /media/phone"
[13:32] <ZmAY> i am using dapper, i am on old PC
[13:33] <FSHero> ZmAY: then the hard part: identify your phone's device -- let's call it /dev/sdaX for now -- then mount: "sudo mount /dev/sdaX /media/phone"
[13:33] <FSHero> ZmAY: Okay, sorry mate -- I don't know anything about Dapper -- also, Dapper is quite old!
[13:34] <ZmAY> we can sttill try:)
[13:34] <ZmAY> -t
[13:34] <ZmAY> yes, how to identify phone's device
[13:34] <FSHero> ZmAY: To figure out what X is, this might help:...
[13:34] <FSHero> ZmAY: type "cd /dev/disk/by-label" then do "ls -l
[13:35] <ZmAY> hdb1 -> ../../hdb1
[13:36] <FSHero> ZmAY: Okay... so if hdb1 is your phone, then its device thingy is /dev/hdb1
[13:36] <ZmAY> lsusb
[13:36] <FSHero> so do "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/phone"
[13:36] <ZmAY> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0fce:e079 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB
[13:37] <FSHero> ZmAY: Note, going to the /dev/disk/by-label folder only shows those disks that have a "label" -- e.g. my hard disk's first partition is called BOOT in Windows XP, so it appears here.
[13:38] <FSHero> ZmAY: for a more comprehensive list, go to /dev/disk/by-id ("cd /dev/disk/by-id") and do "ls -l" again
[13:38] <ZmAY> dmesg | tail   says [17188274.956000] usb-storage: device found at 9
[13:38] <crazy_bus> which koffice would people recommend.  koffice or koffice-kde4 ?
[13:38] <FSHero> ZmAY: for example, I see the following line for my flash disk:
[13:38] <FSHero> ZmAY:
[13:39] <FSHero> ZmAY: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2008-06-07 12:34 usb-hantat_Flash_Disk-0:0-part1 -> ../../sde1
[13:40] <FSHero> ZmAY: have you tried mounting your phone?
[13:41] <ZmAY> FSHero: how
[13:42] <FSHero> ZmAY: Sorry, I disconnected. What did you recently say?
[13:42] <ZmAY> [2008-06-07 14:40] <FSHero> ZmAY: have you tried mounting your phone?
[13:42] <ZmAY> how?
[13:43] <ZmAY> Bus 001 Device 009  thats all i know:)
[13:43] <flaccid> ZmAY: did you search google. also what does dmesg say when you plug it in?
[13:43] <FSHero> ZmAY: lol, okay! type "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/phone" in Konsole... assuming you made the /media/phone folder earlier, and your phone's device file is /dev/sdb1
[13:44] <FSHero> ZmAY: wait!
[13:44] <FSHero> ZmAY: sorry, did you try "ls -l /media/disk/by-id"?
[13:44] <flaccid> FSHero: hal should prompt if it doesn't there is likely a problem
[13:44] <FSHero> ZmAY: oops sorry do "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id"
[13:44] <flaccid> are we sure this phone supports mass usb?
[13:44] <ZmAY> i tried FSHero yes
[13:45] <FSHero> flaccid: I don't know how to check if one's phone supports USB mass storage... I kind-of assumed that...!
[13:45] <ZmAY> ls -l...
[13:45] <flaccid> i wouldn't assume it. its a commercial product
[13:45] <flaccid> ZmAY: you might want to check sudo fdisk -l to see if the usb part comes up
[13:45] <flaccid> i mean device
[13:46] <ZmAY> it looks not
[13:46] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> hey BluesKaj
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> you're up early :)
[13:47] <FSHero> flaccid: about my resolutions problem: basically, the last step I did was to check the box in the Restricted Hardware manager (jockey-kde) and restart the computer.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, 08:47 early ?
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: some Mojo guy said to thank you for fixing his X700
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: wait... you are in EDT?
[13:48] <flaccid> FSHero: yeah i remember. the restricted manager was never enabled
[13:48] <BluesKaj> been up since 6:30 AM
[13:48] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: sweet as cheers!
[13:48] <FSHero> flaccid: Now, I can log in as my user "fshero" in a failsafe terminal, but if I try to log into KDE 3...
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> or one timezone over and without dailight savings,.....
[13:48] <BluesKaj> EDST yes
[13:48] <FSHero> flaccid: ... I just get a blank screen.
[13:48] <ZmAY> FSHero: which filesystem type should i specify when mounting
[13:48] <FSHero> flaccid: I can log in to another user, using KDE4
[13:49] <rjb> hey, something went foobar on my system with the gui of java applets after one of the recent updates
[13:49] <flaccid> FSHero: log/output of startkde..
[13:50] <rjb> the fonts look all funny and widget sizes seem miscalculated
[13:50] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, what's your TZ ?
[13:50] <FSHero> ZmAY: If you did what flaccid said (sudo fdisk -l) and it doesn't show you what you wanted, then maybe the device does not appear as a USB mass storage device...
[13:50] <FSHero> ZmAY: ... and I don't know what to do next! :(
[13:50] <ZmAY> ok thanks
[13:50] <FSHero> ZmAY: (btw I don't know what to look out for in the output of "sudo fdisk -l")
[13:51] <FSHero> ZmAY: Sorry.
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: EDT
[13:51] <flaccid> ZmAY: see http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php%3Fid%3D208717&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=7&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dubuntu%2Bsony%2Bericsson%2BK530i%2Busb%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dopera%26rls%3Den%26hs%3DcFd%26sa%3DG
[13:51] <flaccid> FSHero: just do my suggestion :)
[13:52] <FSHero> flaccid: last time I did "startkde" it showed a few messages then went back to the log on screen...
[13:52] <FSHero> flaccid: ... shall I try again? (Shall I do startkde > temp.txt. to 'pipe' the output to a file?)
[13:53] <flaccid> FSHero: its not a pipe its a redirect. redirect both stdout and stderr startkde &> /tmp/startkde.log.txt
[13:53] <FSHero> flaccid: btw in this failsafe session, I have run kwin successfully (I needed to -- my Konversation window was creeping over the edge!)
[13:54] <FSHero> flaccid: So you want me to run "startkde &> /tmp/startkde.log.txt"?
[13:54] <flaccid> then pastebin the log
[13:55] <FSHero> flaccid: okay, coming right up. Thx for helping, once again!
[13:55] <flaccid> np
[13:55] <BluesKaj> flaccid, next time try www.tinyurl.com
[13:56] <flaccid> why BluesKaj?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> prevents long urls
[13:57] <FSHero> flaccid: Hi... It just dumped me to my login screen again. Pastebin in a minute
[13:57] <flaccid> BluesKaj: i cbf
[13:58] <flaccid> is that a rule or something?
[13:58] <FSHero> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17981/
[13:58] <Dragnslcr> Besides, a lot of people have trained themselves to ignore tinyurl
[14:00] <flaccid> i have no interest in tinyurl which is some dudes site. what i do have interest in is sites adopting princples from Tim Berners-Lee's 'Cool URIs dont change' document
[14:00] <flaccid> FSHero: so did you say kde4 was working?
[14:01] <FSHero> flaccid: I think so, yes. Do you want me to try logging in as "fshero", session: KDE4?
[14:01] <flaccid> FSHero: nope. is kde3 and everything installed correctly?
[14:01] <flaccid> does the same behaviour occur from kdm login of kde3?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> whether you're interested or not doesn't matter ...it's just courtesy, not filling the chat text with unecessary long urls
[14:02] <flaccid> BluesKaj: it matters only to me if its explicitly in the rules :)
[14:02] <FSHero> flaccid: err.. kde3 was working fine before I started messing around with the NVIDIA driver. Also... what do you mean by "kdm login of kde3"?
[14:02] <flaccid> i do enough spoon feeding here then to spend more time converting the odd url on some dudes site
[14:03] <flaccid> FSHero: login of kde3 session from the login screen
[14:03] <flaccid> brb telephone
[14:04] <ganesh> hai
[14:05] <ganesh> any one there
[14:05] <prodigy> what antivirus is best for linux?
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> hai... wut iz up?
[14:05] <prodigy> hai
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> !virus
[14:05] <ganesh> i am unable to adjust my screen resolution in kubuntu 8.04
[14:05] <prodigy> i konw that linux has no viruses, i was just wondering...
[14:05] <prodigy> ganesh: what is the problem? what graphic card do you have?
[14:05] <dr_Willis> the virus tools are for scanning windows systems. :)
[14:06] <prodigy> xD
[14:06] <avishek> prodigy: use clamav
[14:06] <ganesh> nvidia graphics card
[14:06] <prodigy> i do not use antivirus, i was just wondering... there are now avast and avg for linux...
[14:06] <ganesh> i installed the restricted drivers
[14:06] <prodigy> ganesh: you should use nvidia drivers. are they installed?
[14:06] <prodigy> oh, ok
[14:07] <ganesh> yes
[14:07] <flaccid> FSHero: dpkg -l | grep kpersonalizer please
[14:07] <prodigy> ganesh: what resolution are you on, and what do you want?
[14:07] <flaccid> ganesh: did you use hardware drivers manager?
[14:08] <Portablecook> Hey guys, I'm trying to install the packages to allow playback of encrypted DVDs, but apparently neither libdvdcss or libdvdcss2 have an installation candidate.  Is there a new package?
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: the kpersonalizer thing is a common error... not fatal
[14:08] <flaccid> !info libdvd3
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> !medibuntu
[14:08] <ganesh> but now the highest screen size is 640*480 everything seems bigger i cant change it to 1024*768
[14:08] <prodigy> ps. if anyone tries to use google earth, it will not run if you have compiz enabled. i figured it out last night...
[14:09] <avishek> ganesh: i had the same problem
[14:09] <flaccid> !info libdvdread3
[14:09] <FSHero> ganesh: lol, I was stuck on the same problem moments ago!
[14:09] <flaccid> ganesh: try my suggestion
[14:09] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: is unable to attache non fatal as well? kwin: unable to claim manager selection, another wm running? (try using --replace)
[14:09] <ganesh> what should i ddo
[14:10] <prodigy> !chan
[14:10] <flaccid> [23:07] <flaccid> ganesh: did you use hardware drivers manager?
[14:10] <ganesh> yes
[14:10] <Portablecook> nosrednaekim: Thanks.
[14:10] <prodigy> help please? i want to see all the rooms... !chan or something...
[14:10] <flaccid> and nvidia-glx-new or whatever is installed and nvidia-kernel-common ganesh?
[14:10] <flaccid> prodigy: /list
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: he started from within a failsafe, right? and I believe he mentioned loading Kwin
[14:10] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: oh thats right true
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> and yeah... thats fatal
[14:11] <ganesh> i installed the nvidia 6 series
[14:11] <rjb> ganesh: it might be that your monitor type got detected/set incorrectly, it's happened to me
[14:11] <flaccid> FSHero: test it without starting kwin first because thats in the startkde script
[14:11] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: you reckon it dies/hangs up on kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::insertKAccel( kaccel = 0x80e27c0 ): KAccel object already contains an action name "file_quit" ?
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> thats what it looks lik... but I have no clue what that actually means :P
[14:11] <ganesh> how could i set the monitor mine is crt  17
[14:11] <prodigy> !compiz
[14:11] <rjb> ganesh: open up system settings, go to display settings
[14:11] <flaccid> ganesh: that doesn't answer the question, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:12] <flaccid> ganesh: whats the nvidia 6 series mean?
[14:12] <flaccid> ganesh: if you listen to me you might fix it :)
[14:12] <rjb> and check out what's set there for a monitor
[14:12] <FSHero> flaccid: okay I'm running kwin now, so I shall just restart X. give me a minute. (Sorry for the delay, I was reading something in firefox :P)
[14:12] <ganesh> when i installed restricted drivers it shows thus
[14:12] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: what I would to is try to start a kde3 session from within kdm, then, when itfails, switch to a tty and copy the .xsession-errors over to another file and pastebin THAT
[14:13] <avishek> !info
[14:13] <ganesh> ok what should i do my eyes r blowing looking at huge figures help me please
[14:13] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: ah wicked suggestion
[14:13] <temoto> Is it normal, that free shows 99% of 2GB mem is used?
[14:13] <flaccid> i'll paste that to him when he gets back if problem still
[14:13] <flaccid> temoto: yep
[14:14] <temoto> flaccid, why?
[14:14] <rjb> temoto: quote normal if the computer's been working for a while
[14:14] <flaccid> ganesh: scrollback and read what i said
[14:14] <flaccid> temoto: because linux manages memory very well, it will use as much ram as it can before swap
[14:14] <rjb> temoto: you did pay for that ram didn't you, why would you want it to go unused;)
[14:14] <ganesh> where to paste this  "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[14:15] <temoto> rjb, i'm scared.
[14:15] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[14:15] <nosrednaekim> temoto: its probably not all being used as ram... most of it is probably cached
[14:15] <rjb> temoto: do you mean to suggest that you stole it?;)
[14:15] <temoto> rjb, :)
[14:16] <temoto> nosrednaekim, yes. 1.2GB out of 2 is cached.
[14:16] <ganesh> flaccid help me
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> 800MB is still a bit much, but nothing to get worried about
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> ganesh: paste it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[14:16] <temoto> nosrednaekim, cached memory is what?
[14:17] <FSHero> flaccid: "dpkg -l | grep kpersonalizer" doesn't work. That is the first thing I ran when I started this new failsafe session.
[14:17] <flaccid> ganesh: i already have
[14:17] <rjb> temoto: it saves your hard drive from having to work too much
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> temoto: is commonly accessed data, such as recently opened programs and documents
[14:17] <flaccid> FSHero: [23:13] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: what I would to is try to start a kde3 session from within kdm, then, when itfails, switch to a tty and copy the .xsession-errors over to another file and pastebin THAT
[14:17] <temoto> embedded memcached? Nice...
[14:17] <flaccid> don't run kwin in the failsafe before startkde also the kpersonlizer thing is nothing
[14:18] <Portablecook> Okay, I've managed to install libdvdcss2, VLC has stopped throwing the "no decryption" error and now says "main playlist: nothing to play".  Is there something else I'm missing?
[14:18] <flaccid> ganesh: you paste file on the site and then paste the url it gives you back here
[14:18] <FSHero> flaccid: Okay, I start KDE3 from my login screen, then when the screen goes black, I copy .xsession-errors to (say) temp.txt then pastebin its contents? (Sorry for the questioning-- I just want to make sure I don't do anything wrong!)
[14:19] <flaccid> FSHero: yep
[14:19] <FSHero> ok, brb. I'm going to have to stop Konversation.
[14:20] <avishek> while we're talking about video issues, has anyone had any problems with samsung samtron monitors during the boot phase? on three different assembed machines with samsung monitors, a "sync out of range" appears while k/ubuntu is booting. however, once booting is complete everything is normal
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> Portablecook: maybe a working DVD? ;P
[14:22] <Portablecook> nosrednaekim: Okay, interesting problem there; my CD tray won't eject...
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> Portablecook: quit VLC and any other application that could be using the DVD
[14:23] <Agent_bob> i don't like the answer i got in #ubuntu so i'll ask in here.  is there any FOSS way to get acpi support working for ati chips ?     me laptop doesn't show temp cpu or battery
[14:23] <JoshOvki> Portablecook: what happens when you run    eject   from command?
[14:23] <Portablecook> JoshOvki: There we go.  Thanks.
[14:23] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: if it doesn't work right off.... It'll probably take ALOT of programming to fix it
[14:24] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim "right off"  there was no "right off" actually.
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: by right off I mean "upon installation"
[14:24] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim right,   there was no such thing.
[14:24] <FSHero> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17994/ is the contents of .xsession-errors. Perhaps my problem is because KDE3 is trying to select a resolution that is not supported by my monitor?
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> if it BROKE with an update... then thats a bug
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: eh?
[14:26] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim i installed ubuntu hoary on a box years ago, upgraded to dapper, coppied to other box,  tweekex & coppied to other box,  coppied to lappy...
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: you say you can login using another user?
[14:26] <avishek> !ubottu
[14:26] <Agent_bob> there was no install per'se
[14:26] <FSHero> nosrednaekim: I can in KDE4 -- but i haven't tried KDE3 yet
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: AH... I see!
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: sounds like time for a fresh install :P
[14:27] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim heh.  how do you think i get it on an partitionless hdd ;/
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: hrm... problem there... but yeah... if you are doing stuff like that, ACPI being broken is par for the course
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> and I'm not sure how to force it to redetect hardware
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> probably is a way though
[14:29] <Agent_bob> ok.   but the question is,   does it require "restricted repos" to get acpi support for acpi on ati crap ?
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> no
[14:30] <flaccid> i think it does and i saw some stuff on the net about configuring ati acpi with fglrx
[14:30] <Agent_bob> good.  i like that answer.
[14:30] <flaccid> no, ok sweet
[14:30] <Agent_bob> flaccid not yours his.  heh.
[14:30] <dru__> hey peeps .....how do i see the actual result of my "clicking this icon" in the terminal
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: if anything... fglrx breaks ACPI :P
[14:30] <flaccid> haha, my acpi works :)
[14:31] <flaccid> well i've configure mine to work well, just can't remember what i did but its on the net
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> dru__: right click on the icon->properties->run in terminal
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> (I think you can do that)
[14:31] <dru__> .....yeah i think so too
[14:31] <dru__> but ...what if the action is for instance in firefox
[14:31] <flaccid> FSHero: show that to the people in #kde
[14:32] <Agent_bob> if all you want is to see what the command is.   right click > configure   and look at the command tab
[14:32] <Agent_bob> oh i'm slow.   that's not for ff
[14:32] <flaccid> FSHero: also had you tried a reboot yet?
[14:32] <dru__> woudl that work as far as "building" a widget to run that command?
[14:32] <flaccid> that would get rid of the sockets in /tmp
[14:33] <Agent_bob> dru__ i think you can call ff from the konsole and what you click in it might report to the konsole
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> dru__: instance in firefox?
[14:33] <dru__> im building a widget  that will run a "site" radio stream
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> a browser/web widget?
[14:34] <dru__> the widget should be able to interact directly with the stream
[14:34] <dru__> desktop
[14:34] <Agent_bob> dru__ try ^ it and see if it works
[14:34] <dru__> oay
[14:34] <dru__> thanks
[14:34] <dru__> *okay
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> dru__: like a plasmoid?
[14:35] <dru__> i really dont know ...i was just tired of having to have this window open to listen to that stream so decided to build an interacting widget for my desktop
[14:35] <FSHero> flaccid: lol, I was looking in #ubuntu and didn't realise it. You want me to show that pastebin to #kde? (This sounds serious...!)
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> dru__: ya know... they probably have a shoutcast stream...
[14:35] <dru__> no they dont
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> and you can listen to it in amarok
[14:36] <flaccid> FSHero: yeah but try reboot if you havnt as well to clear /tmp
[14:36] <dru__> i know them* personaly
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> dru__: ah..ok
[14:36] <dru__> but what was this "call ff" Agent_bob
[14:36] <FSHero> flaccid: okay, I'll reboot once more, and delete the contents of /tmp
[14:37] <Agent_bob> dru__ run the app from the command line in konsole
[14:37] <flaccid> FSHero: if you already tested then cool. thing is i don't see how it could get if you havnt started an session. /tmp is cleared on boot
[14:37] <dru__> i see
[14:37] <dru__> k
[14:37] <dru__> thanks
[14:38] <Agent_bob> dru__ that "should" give it a place to report what it's doing.
[14:38] <dru__> prompt returns as soon as its open
[14:38] <dru__> its not a kde app
[14:38] <dru__> thats why
[14:39] <Agent_bob> no. that's not why.  but it's probably not very standards compliant, that's why.  many non-kde apps will work just fine that way.
[14:40] <dru__> i get a good result from konqueror
[14:40] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[14:40] <rysiek|pl> need a wee bit o'help with debuggin a keyboard problem
[14:41] <rysiek|pl> every input device has a special dev file in the /dev tree, right?
[14:41] <Agent_bob> it has long been common place for linux based gui apps to report to a controlling terminal for debugging purposes
[14:41] <dru__> Agent_bob: where can i find one of those :D
[14:42] <MachinTrucChose> Hi. I created a new user called "guest" and did not set any password, but when at the login screen I try to login as "guest" with no password, it says Login Failed. What am I missing here?
[14:42] <Agent_bob> dru__ you can use; strace appname  # but that's a lot of output on most things.
[14:42] <Agent_bob> dru__ lol yeah.
[14:42] <flaccid> strace is handy
[14:42] <dru__> yeah i need tonns of out put
[14:42] <dru__> the more the better
[14:42] <Agent_bob> then use ltrace   :)))
[14:43] <Agent_bob> s & l for short and long
[14:43] <dru__> : *ltrace firefox
[14:43] <rysiek|pl> guys, where in the /dev tree do I look for keyboard devices
[14:43] <dru__> k
 i think your screwed go in under your account set a dummy pw for the acct and postit note it on the computer so guests know what the pw is.
[14:43] <MachinTrucChose> speeddemon24: you're kidding, right?
[14:44] <dru__> still :Process 10490 detached
[14:44] <MachinTrucChose> I'
[14:44] <speeddemon24> no why
[14:44] <MachinTrucChose> I guess I'll rename the user "guest-passwordis123"
[14:44] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: let it log-in
[14:44] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: in KMenu -> System Settings
[14:44] <speeddemon24> that works too because that is the only way i know of
[14:45] <FSHero> flaccid: Hi, it is me, FSHero, logged into KDE3 but as a different user.
[14:45] <Agent_bob> dru__ ah   readlink -f `which firefox`   might help to see where the warper is and look into it to see why it's not reporting to the konsole   :)
[14:45] <FSHero> flaccid: this is weird!
[14:45] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: there is a way of telling "allow that user to log in passwordless"
 is right, srry my bad
[14:45] <FSHero> flaccid: before I logged in as this different user, I tried my own with KDE (KDE3) session.
[14:45] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: on the Advanced tab
[14:45] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: "Login Manager"
[14:45] <flaccid> FSHero: profile is corrupt somewhere most likely
[14:46] <rysiek|pl> jeez, who don't people just *check* by themselves in settings? ;)
[14:46] <FSHero> flaccid: same thing as before occurred: I got a blank screen. Note: I could hear the 'startup chime' through my speakers
[14:46] <MachinTrucChose> rysiek|pl: ah, I see. Under Login Manager. Thank you. Now I see what Gnome fans complain about for KDE ;)
[14:46] <FSHero> flaccid: corrupted profile file is what I was thinking too... but what?
[14:46] <FSHero> *which?
[14:46] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: huh?
[14:47] <FSHero> flaccid: I think I can afford to delete my user profile -- shall I do that through systemsettings?
[14:47] <MachinTrucChose> rysiek|pl: basically it doesn't make sense from a user interface POV to have that setting NOT where all the other user account-related settings are
[14:47] <Agent_bob> example;  file $(readlink -f `which firefox`)
[14:47] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: it's pretty intuitive, really, while making it impossible to log-into an account unprotected by mistake
[14:47] <Agent_bob> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox: Bourne shell script text executable
[14:47] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: maybe you're right
[14:47] <flaccid> FSHero: you don't have to delete the whole thing, you can copy your apps config and and so forth
[14:47] <rysiek|pl> MachinTrucChose: anywhoo, it's there ;)
[14:47] <MachinTrucChose> thanks again
[14:48] <flaccid> FSHero: but the thing is what in the your profile to delete..
[14:48] <FSHero> flaccid: you mean just the content of ~/.kde/share/apps ?
[14:48] <FSHero> flaccid: * save the contents of ~/.kde/share/apps?
[14:48] <rysiek|pl> no prob
[14:48] <rysiek|pl> so guys, *anybody* knows where the keyboard's dev file sits in the /dev/ tree?
[14:49] <flaccid> FSHero: well assuming that it is ~/.kde/*somewhere* then i would create a new user then copy all the apps config/share into the fresh user that you want to keep, then you could back up the nonworking using ~/.kde and replace it with this one
[14:49] <flaccid> so you get your app configs but the rest is fresh..
[14:50] <FSHero> flaccid: I'm glad I can afford to delete my user. But... what if I couldn't? What would I have to do then?
[14:50] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl is there a device for kbd ?
[14:50] <eagles0513875> yay
[14:50] <eagles0513875> i got it working
[14:50] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: there is a device for everything, why not for kb
[14:50] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: yo
[14:51] <flaccid> FSHero: if you were an expert then you might be able to spend time and debug, otherwise, do whatever you want. i mean don't expect these things to no occur :)
[14:51] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: i got my network issue resolved
[14:52] <FSHero> flaccid: wow... this nvidia driver could have 'destroyed' my system if this were not a fresh install...!
[14:53] <flaccid> FSHero: how did you conclude that it was the nvidia driver. why would you make that assumption. for a start your kde profile is written to when you go to logout etc. if it failed there somewhere... there is no indication that it is nvdia at all. installing the driver doesn't do anything to home folders
[14:54] <FSHero> flaccid: well... I thought that because everything was working fine before I tried the proprietary nvidia drivers, then I got display problems after I installed them, it was the NVIDIA drivers that were responsible.
[14:54] <flaccid> FSHero: that is probably one of the most common mistakes in diagnosis :)
[14:54] <FSHero> flaccid: of course, my limited knowledge means that I cannot consider other things that could have gone wrong :P
[14:55] <eagles0513875> hey all
[14:56] <FSHero> flaccid: tbh, I had tried the nvidia driver prior to today, but had to return back to the nv 2D-only driver. Also, I have run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" several times before.
[14:56] <FSHero> flaccid: So 'damage' could have occurred at one of these steps
[14:56] <flaccid> FSHero: yeah running that program is not going to help if the driver is not installed. thus why it wasn't installed iirc
[14:57] <ads_> hi   i wrote a script containing "/etc/init.d/kdm restart"   this does not restart kde it simply leaves me with a blank screen.. this will only work from a non x session     why??? and how may i fix this?
[14:57] <flaccid> the user is the highest probability especially if they have sudo/root :)
[14:57] <FSHero> flaccid: Or a whole bunch of other stuff that I'm not aware about could have gone wrong ;)
[14:57] <flaccid> ads_: because you are calling it from within what you are killing
[14:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:58] <ads_> flaccid:   so is it possible to run a script from an xsession to restart it effectively?
[14:58] <FSHero> flaccid: What I did on a previous day was: I installed nvidia-glx-new then from System settings --> Display and Monitor I chose the nvidia driver (instead of nv), then restarted X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace). I got bad resolution (640x480) then by pressing Ctrl+Alt+1 I ran "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg".
[14:59] <ads_> flaccid: rather than ctrl alt bkspace   which i cnat emulate in a script
[14:59] <flaccid> FSHero: yeah. and the restricted stuff can get a bit hectic but you gotta work with it. good thing is that hardware drivers managers does it all for you (in theory)
[14:59] <FSHero> flaccid: yep... in retrospect, what I did seems to have been messy!
[14:59] <flaccid> ads_: not that i know of and not sure why you would want to do that. i guess its possible but i dont know about it sorry
[15:00] <flaccid> FSHero: hmm was that kde3 system settings yeah?
[15:00] <FSHero> flaccid: kde3 systemsettings, yes. I did it in KDE3 systemsettings
[15:00] <eagles0513875> is anyone else have issues connecting to other freenode irc servers or any other irce server in konversation
[15:00] <ads_> flaccid: the original script involves replacing my xorg.conf from a single display to dual display (projector for films!!)  and as such a restart of x is needed!  would be nice to just run a script seeing as i dp this evry night
[15:00] <ads_> dp*
[15:01] <ads_> do*
[15:01] <flaccid> FSHero: i'll check that out
[15:01] <eagles0513875> ads_: you could also add that as a cron job to have it more automated
[15:01] <flaccid> ads_: which driver do you use?
[15:02] <ads_> eagles0513875: no idea what a cronjob is.. i will look up now.  i only do this at night or when im watching films its not a permenant thing
[15:02] <ads_> flaccid: nvidia
[15:02] <eagles0513875> ads_: cron job is the linux equivalent of scheduling something in windows
[15:02] <crazy_bus> I installed the package mythbuntu-desktop, but I want to remove it and everything it installed.  How do I do that without manually finding every program?
[15:03] <eagles0513875> for instance you can create a cron job that runs sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:03] <eagles0513875> for instance ever day at 8am
[15:03] <eagles0513875> !uninstall
[15:03] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: hey
[15:03] <ads_> eagles0513875: sonds interesting  will check it out..  unlikely what i need , its not evry night without fail ;just when i decide to watch a film
[15:03] <eagles0513875> ads_: that comes in handy in server environments
[15:04] <ads_> ** excuse spelling mistakes   appologies**
[15:04] <FSHero> flaccid: well thanks for all the help. I think I can continue solo now! Also, I just wanted to say that running "xrandr" displays a whole bunch of nice resolutions: 1024x768, 800x600, etc.
[15:04] <eagles0513875> as well as the occassional household environment
[15:05] <ads_> eagles0513875: most definitely, will make use of them   thanks.    Still for now do you know how i may restart x from a script inside an x session?
[15:05] <flaccid> FSHero: ok there was the problem. you installed it manually, thus wasn't installed properly most likely and systemsettings could of failed changing the Device in xorg.conf. its along those lines for sure.
[15:05] <psyco> is there a command or way to find out my system hardware information? (CPU, ram)
[15:05] <psyco> etc
[15:05] <eagles0513875> ads_: im still trying to figure out how to write scripts im working on my linux cert but havent gotten there yet
[15:05] <eagles0513875> thats part 2 of this cours
[15:05] <flaccid> easiest to learn are sh and bash
[15:06] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im rather versed with bash
[15:06] <flaccid> versed?
[15:06] <eagles0513875> i now how to get around using bash
[15:06] <eagles0513875> for my cert we do nothing but cli
[15:06] <flaccid> it depends what you have to do in shells
[15:06] <ads_> eagles0513875: its very easy ..  all u will likely need is a "#!/bin/bash"  header  then just simple commands you would run from shell. however control statements are different to the convential programming languages
[15:06] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl i dont find any rule to make a keyboard device ?     have you found anything ?
[15:06] <flaccid> being bsd guy i do csh a lot
[15:06] <crazy_bus> it's a metapackage, but autoremove will not remove all of the things it installed
[15:07] <eagles0513875> !aolspeak | ads_
[15:07] <flaccid> crazy_bus: i think autoremove of the deps only works with aptitude.
[15:07] <flaccid> could be wrong but
[15:07] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: huh?
[15:07] <ads_> ^^ excuse me?? i havent used "lol" or "omg"   what was that about??
[15:07] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I got it, they sit in /dev/input/
[15:07] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl oh wait.  looked in the wrong place.  /sbin/MAKEDEV:          makedev kbd  c 11 0 $cons
[15:07] <eagles0513875> ads_: the u is not a good think to do in here you will have people griping bout using u r and all that jazz
[15:08] <crazy_bus> flaccid: but do you have to install with aptitiude.  Because I tried just removing with aptitude and it didn't work
[15:08] <ads_> aha  oops  yes i should of known.. sorry
[15:08] <flaccid> i think thats the case
[15:08] <flaccid> so it records the transaction
[15:09] <ads_> eagles0513875:  hey its script independant what i need.. i just need a shell command that will restart x within an x session
[15:09] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl you can put a keyboard node anywhere you want now.       mknod /path/to/device.name c 11 0     # :)))
[15:09] <eagles0513875> ads_: its ok im just letting you know
[15:09] <eagles0513875> ads_: there is ctrl+alt+backspace
[15:09] <flaccid> i never used aptitude because its more chars to type and apt did the job :)
[15:09] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: eh... the node is there, thing is, the keyboard (laptop built-in!) doesn't *work*
[15:10] <flaccid> eagles0513875: thats to hard kill X and thats not what he is after at all
[15:10]  * Agent_bob personally hates it when device nodes are not in /dev though.
[15:10] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: it works in windoze, live-cd menu, bios, but not after the kernel starts booting up
[15:10] <flaccid> ads_: you have auto login enabled do you?
[15:10] <ads_> eagles0513875: unfortunately i cant enulate ctrl alt backspace as a keyboard command
[15:10] <ads_> emulate**
[15:10] <eagles0513875> flaccid: whats the cli command to restart x
[15:10] <eagles0513875> i kknow to start x from cli its startx
[15:10] <eagles0513875> ads_: try restartx
[15:10] <flaccid> lol
[15:11] <ads_> worth a try brb
[15:11] <flaccid> maybe a visit to xorg is a good idea
[15:11] <flaccid> #xorg
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> actually... you can emulate Ctrl_alt_bckspace somehow
[15:11] <flaccid> there is no restartx dang
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> I just forgot how
[15:11] <flaccid> and lose all the write backs to your documents, configs etc. joy!
[15:11] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl hmmm is it on the usb-bus ?
[15:12] <ads_> eagles0513875: hmm  command not found
[15:12] <flaccid> that would be good for a virus heh
[15:12] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: no idea, but doesn't look like it
[15:12] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd
[15:12] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl kcontrol > priferials   might know
[15:12] <ninix`> hola
[15:13] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I'd prefer the console way right now; Xserver is something that is being set-up right now ()darn ait...)
[15:13] <rysiek|pl> *ati
[15:13] <flaccid> ads_: um i just googled and there is lots on the subject, you didnt check there first?
[15:13] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl lshw | less
[15:13] <eagles0513875> ads_: any luck in xorg
[15:13] <ninix`> anyone noticed that when trying to play some video with Kaffeine....... the X Server crash totally ? (and we come back to kdm)
[15:13] <rysiek|pl> a sec
[15:14] <flaccid> ads_: fyi sudo pkill X is th equiv of ctrl+alt+bckspc
[15:14] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl umm if the keyboard isn't working how are you going to use cli ?     what did i miss ?   you have another kbd attached ?
[15:15] <Agent_bob> flaccid not   sudo killall Xorg   ?
[15:15] <eagles0513875> ads_:  /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[15:15] <eagles0513875> ads_: that should restart the x server = to the command i gae u before
[15:15] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: a second usb-keyboard
[15:16] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl there is also    lspci     and   lsusb
[15:16] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: /me's not *that* dumb ;)
[15:16] <eagles0513875> ads_:
[15:16] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: yeah, none says anything about keyboards (besides the USB one)
[15:16] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: ... | grep -i keyb
[15:16] <ubuntu> I have problem, firefox3 and printing files freezing, i try reinstall all deb packages but dont help
[15:17] <ads_> eagles0513875: unfortunately "...gdm restart"  will not work within an x session this is why im here.. its what i first tried. it will not restart: simply end the session
[15:17] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: I'll wait till the updates get installed, reboot and fight on
[15:17] <flaccid> Agent_bob: dont think so, X is the process above that with the pid/socket
[15:17] <eagles0513875> ads_: i dunno i think ur best of asking in #xorg
[15:18] <flaccid> eagles0513875: that doesn't work within the session as we established first
[15:18] <ads_> eagles0513875: thanks anyway for your time
[15:18] <ads_> eagles0513875: bye
[15:18] <flaccid> ads_: the real solution is using runlevels
[15:18] <flaccid> and solutions for that are on google
[15:18] <Agent_bob> rysiek|pl well  this is a ps2 kbd and;  echo `lshw ;lspci ;lsusb` | grep -i keyb  # draws a blank here.
[15:18] <rysiek|pl> darn
[15:18] <rysiek|pl> same here
[15:19] <rysiek|pl> Agent_bob: not counting the capabilities lines that is ;)
[15:19] <Agent_bob> nothing here.
[15:19] <ads_> flaccid: really ? ok  thats something i will try then..  i presumed a run level will put me into say text mode but how you are saying it can restart my x session? (and consequently i may run this as a script from my xsession?)
[15:19] <Agent_bob> tty2 [greg@dell:~] echo `lshw 2>/dev/null ;lspci ;lsusb` | grep -i kbd
[15:19] <Agent_bob> tty2 [greg@dell:~]
[15:19] <temoto> How do i know list of installed packages?
[15:19] <frojnd> Hello there. How can I burn img file, which has video files in it ?
[15:20] <flaccid> ads_: from what i quickly read you set up the different levels and just switch. but hey its just what i briefly read but people have it going. i have never done this before or thought about it..
[15:20] <Agent_bob> same with search for keyb
[15:20] <rysiek|pl> temoto: dpkg -l
[15:20] <temoto> frojnd, k3b can burn images.
[15:20] <flaccid> temoto: goto adept or dpkg -l
[15:20] <eagles0513875> rysiek|pl: beat me to it
[15:20]  * rysiek|pl puts his hot, steaming fingers into cold water
[15:21] <rysiek|pl> aahhh...
[15:21] <rysiek|pl> guess it's time for some tea. anybody?
[15:21] <Agent_bob> for q in `bpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do echo -e "$q \c" ;done
[15:22] <msi> ls -l
[15:22] <ads_> flaccid: ok thanks for the heads up.. im pretty sure setting your run level will leave me in that mode: for e.g run level 3 is text only   and 5 is gui
[15:22] <temoto> How do i uninstall apache2 but keep phpmyadmin?
[15:22] <temoto> I refuse to understand this omfg stupid dependency.
[15:22] <rysiek|pl> temoto: phpmyadmin won't work without apache (or other http server)
[15:22] <temoto> rysiek|pl, or other
[15:22] <flaccid> ads_: but you can run things in runlevels ie. scripts to do things like startx i would assume
[15:23] <msi> quien puede ayudarme pleace
[15:23] <Agent_bob> temoto just turn apache off
[15:23] <rysiek|pl> temoto: aptitude install apache- other+
[15:23] <rysiek|pl> temoto: might work
[15:23] <Agent_bob> you can have the dep installed but not active you know.
[15:23] <msi> ayada
[15:23] <temoto> Agent_bob, am i free to hate apache so much i don't even want it to present on my hdd?
[15:23] <msi> ayuda
[15:23] <ads_> flaccid: BRILLIANT   now i see what you mean i will try that   thank you!!
[15:23] <eagles0513875> !es | msi
[15:24] <flaccid> ads_: hey it doesn't look easy but.. heads up on that
[15:24] <msi> gracias
[15:24] <Agent_bob> temoto yeah.     dpkg -P apache2      but it will break the other package.
[15:24] <temoto> Agent_bob, thanks.
[15:24] <ads_> flaccid: much appreciated!
[15:25] <flaccid> ads_: actually my friend, im reading a bit more and someone is correcting this concept
[15:25] <frojnd> What does the simulate do when burnin DVD data or img.. ?
[15:25] <flaccid> ads_: http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.linux.cplug.general/2004-01/msg00409.html
[15:26] <rysiek|pl> frojnd: simulates; it can help you check if the burning will end in success, or it run out of data (buffer underrun)
[15:26] <Agent_bob> temoto if it's a true hatred for it.     maybe leave it installed and just remove all it's files ?     for q in `cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.list` ;do rm -i "$q" ;done      # that will remove everything execpt the indicator in the archive list.   i.e. the package manager will see it as installed but nothing will be there.
[15:26] <ads_> flaccid: excellent will read    thanks again!
[15:26] <flaccid> ads_: runleves can be used but changing runlevels is not necessarily do it automatically
[15:27] <Agent_bob> temoto more than one methood whereby the hide is shucked from the felion  :)
[15:27] <frojnd> rysiek|pl: so If I know img is 3,7gb I don't have to enable simulate..
[15:27] <frojnd> rysiek|pl: simulate is taking additional time ?
[15:27] <rysiek|pl> frojnd: yes, it takes; the problem lies not in the size
[15:27] <rysiek|pl> frojnd: but in the *speed* the data gets fed to the burner
[15:28] <frojnd> rysiek|pl: ok
[15:28] <Agent_bob> frojnd tests  but doesn't waste a disk   ^
[15:28] <temoto> Why is there two utilities for package management: dpkg and apt-get?
[15:28] <frojnd> rysiek|pl: Agent_bob what about Writing Mode what is DAO and Auto
[15:28] <flaccid> ads_: the easiest way around it is to set up a cronjob that runs every 5 seconds which calls a script, the script checks a file to see if it has a value in it and if it does, it restarts kdm then resets the file
[15:28] <rysiek|pl> temoto: sometimes a bike is better than a car
[15:28] <rysiek|pl> frojnd: Disk At Once, TAO == Track At Once
[15:29] <rysiek|pl> frojnd: google it, wikipedia will help you on that
[15:29] <temoto> rysiek|pl, the diff is only in filesize?
[15:29] <flaccid> and kdm is on auto login of user. oh and the script does an xorg.conf swap first as well
[15:29] <Agent_bob> temoto misunderstood.       apt/aptitude/synaptic/adept/dselect   are all frontends/backends to dpkg
[15:29] <rysiek|pl> temoto: nay, you can get by bike to some places a car won't go; but if you do something wrong, you are more probably injured on a bike :)
[15:29] <Agent_bob> temoto dpkg is the package manager
[15:30] <Agent_bob> !dpkg
[15:30] <rysiek|pl> temoto: yeah, actually Agent_bob is right
[15:30] <francesco> !it
[15:31] <rysiek|pl> brb
[15:31] <temoto> That means on my secondary machine i'm going to run debian as little home server, i will have only dpkg and no apt-get?
[15:31] <Agent_bob> temoto nope
[15:32] <Agent_bob> temoto means the same frontends in ubuntu are used in debian
[15:32] <temoto> Agent_bob, erh same apt-get in debian?
[15:32] <Agent_bob> temoto ubuntu is(or at least was) based on debian
[15:33] <Agent_bob> yes
[15:33] <temoto> Agent_bob, thanks.
[15:33] <Agent_bob> temoto same aptitude and friends too
[15:33] <Agent_bob> !apt
[15:34] <temoto> What does apt, dpkg don't do?
[15:34] <Agent_bob> that's debian ^ inherited by ubuntu
[15:34] <flaccid> make sandwiches
[15:34] <psyco> yummmmm
[15:34] <Agent_bob> !botsnack
[15:34] <psyco> lol!
[15:36] <temoto> Agent_bob, can apt install .deb files?
[15:37] <Eruaran> Does anyone have any info on what graphical app might be used for package management in 8.10 ?
[15:37] <Agent_bob> verbatum,  no.   dpkg does that.   apt manages the downloading from the repos and checking dependancies + fetching them.   then hands the full list of .deb files to dpkg for installation
[15:38] <temoto> Agent_bob, thanks.
[15:38] <flaccid> Eruaran: try #ubuntu+1
[15:38] <Agent_bob> understand what a "frontend" does,   it orgenizes, configures, orders, and then calls it's "backend" command
[15:41] <temoto> Agent_bob, dpkg doesn't configure?
[15:41] <flaccid> dpkg is for packages not compiling
[15:42] <temoto> flaccid, Agent_bob said frontend does configure.
[15:42] <flaccid> sorry different type of configure
[15:42] <temoto> yea
[15:42] <Agent_bob> temoto example of a shell command frontend might be something like this; the command will be echo in this example and the frontend work (also on the command line) will be a grep + sort,  and no this is not intended to be good shell gramour!     example; echo "this is a list of files called by your bashrc file $(grep '. ' ~.bash* | sort -u )"
[15:44] <flaccid> its this abstaction that makes its a real DE compared to something like windows
[15:44] <temoto> de?
[15:44] <flaccid> desktop environment
[15:44] <Agent_bob> if you run that in a konsole you will see how the commands within the $() gathered info and passed it to the echo command, which of course only spit it out on the screen
[15:45] <temoto> whoa thanks much
[15:45] <flaccid> like system is the system, then there is display manager, then window manager, then desktop environment then gui toolkit then gui apps that can then call the system
[15:45] <Agent_bob> but that's the idea,   apt does some work and then hands it's results to dpkg which manages packages.
[15:45] <temoto> i wanted to do same thing with echo few times
[15:47] <flaccid> sorry you guys are talking cli frontend to cli backend
[15:48] <flaccid> anyway im off to bed godnight
[15:48] <flaccid> oops or devilnight
[15:48] <flaccid> cia0
[15:48] <Agent_bob> lol
[15:48] <mooper> is there much that doesnt work in the 64 bit kubuntu
[15:48] <Agent_bob> flaccid shalom .
[15:48] <mooper> Its 64 bit really worth it?
[15:48] <ads_> flaccid: night dude
[15:49] <eagles0513875> mooper: i think it is
[15:49] <eagles0513875> mooper: goign to be around for a while need to reboot cuz of kernel update
[15:49] <mooper> eagles0513875: what do you use it for?
[15:49] <mooper> think so
[15:49] <Agent_bob> mooper depends on what you want, whether it's worth it or not.     and the number of things that don't work is decreesing all the time.
[15:49] <eagles0513875> mooper: programming but also for normal use u notice a performance gain ovr 32bit
[15:49] <eagles0513875> mooper: brb
[15:50] <mooper> k
[15:50] <The_ManU_212> when i wnat to create a ext3 partition what is my partition for a type? Linux?
[15:50] <Agent_bob> that does NOT mean that there is nothing left that doesn't work in k8
[15:50] <mooper> how about kde4?
[15:51] <Agent_bob> that i can't answer,   but there is a channel for that.
[15:51] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[15:51] <jhutchins> mooper: Unless you're doing some heavy computation on very large files you are NOT going to be able to detect any performance improvement going from 32 to 64 bit.
[15:52] <mooper> jhutchins: well I might
[15:52] <Agent_bob> most of the "preformance" that windows converts see is vidio card performance, not cpu performance.
[15:52] <mooper> sometimes to some cfd stuff
[15:52] <eagles0513875> mooper: im bag
[15:52] <eagles0513875> *back
[15:53] <eagles0513875> mooper: once u go 64 cant go back to 32
[15:53] <eagles0513875> *you
[15:54] <jhutchins> Sure you can.
[15:54] <mooper> I think I tried a bit ago and the flash didnt work
[15:54] <mooper> What about virtualisation stuff
[15:54] <eagles0513875> mooper: i have been using 64bit since feisty
[15:54] <jhutchins> That's the kind of thing that's harder to get working, multimedia espeically closed codecs.
[15:54] <mooper> vmware and so on
[15:54] <eagles0513875> !virtualbox | mooper
[15:54] <Eruaran> I tried out kde 4.1 beta 1 today
[15:54] <eagles0513875> vmware is still a night mare to get working
[15:54] <mooper> eagles..x86?
[15:54] <Agent_bob> mooper yes flash has been a thorn in the side of k8  but, hopefully that is changing
[15:54] <mooper> I like flash
[15:55] <adz21c> flash works for me if u use i think its called nspluginwrapper
[15:55] <mooper> maybe I ould run flash in a virtual machine
[15:55] <eagles0513875> mooper: flasplugin-nonfree is what i use and it works
[15:55] <eagles0513875> adz21c: i use the flashplugin-nonfree
[15:55] <andyho623> Hey everyone!! Does anybody know how to install over kubuntu without messing up your home folder??
[15:56] <mooper> do you use the kde4 remix?
[15:56] <andyho623> I mean re-intall kubuntu
[15:56] <adz21c> eagles0513875: yes, and nspluginwrapper lets u use the 32bit flashnonfree in 64bit apps
[15:56] <adz21c> eagles0513875: it is what i use to :-)
[15:56] <eagles0513875> adz21c: is that a dependency in that pkg
[15:56] <Agent_bob> andyho623 not a simple way from ubiquity unless you can detach your home from your installation root fs
[15:57] <eagles0513875> cany anyone help me with an irc issue
[15:57] <adz21c> eagles0513875: i don't know what package nspluginwrapper is even in, it just comes installed by default as far as i know
[15:57] <eagles0513875> im trying to join irc.x10hosting.com but it wont connect at all for me
[15:57] <Agent_bob> andyho623 you could archive the home and then unpack it into it's new system     if you have a place to put it.
[15:58] <eagles0513875> mooper: give the 64bit a shot what u gotta loose
[15:58] <eagles0513875> *you
[15:58] <Agent_bob> eagles0513875 check their faq and see if you need to specify a port.   irc defaults to 6667   but they may use something else
[15:58] <andyho623> Bob: Well here's what happened.. I had upgraded thru synaptic and things got all sorts of jacked up.. pretty much since edgy I've had problems with upgrading, but I also did it thru synaptic (I know, I know DUMB)... so now I'd like to re-install and start fresh, but I don't want to lose the stuff in my home
[15:58] <eagles0513875> Agent_bob: uses default 6667 port
[15:58] <andyho623> Yeah I've got more than enough room
[15:58] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Sounds like you need more info on how you're supposed to connect.  You could tell us what DOES happen, what error you get.
[15:58] <mooper> eagles0513875: I wus thinking about kde4 remix
[15:58] <eagles0513875> mooper: kde4 still lacking in some areas
[15:59] <mooper> cool
[15:59] <jhutchins> andyho623: You don't do regular backups?
[15:59] <eagles0513875> jhutchins:
[15:59] <eagles0513875> [16:58] [Info] Looking for server irc.x10hosting.com:6667...
[15:59] <eagles0513875> [16:58] [Error] Connection to Server irc.x10hosting.com lost: name lookup has failed. Trying to reconnect.
[15:59] <andyho623> jhutchins: not recently I haven't.. most the time I'll just move stuff from my box to an external
[16:00] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Maybe it's because there's no such host as irc.x10hosting.com
[16:00] <andyho623> But I just have soem stuff I just downloaded and dont wanna lose
[16:00] <eagles0513875> jhutchins: ya there is was on it yesterday
[16:00] <jhutchins> andyho623: So back it up.  Backing it up to an external is fine.
[16:00] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: My DNS says there isn't any such host.
[16:00] <Agent_bob> andyho623 if you have a few gig for the system you could make the present root into the new home and simply make a new root fs...   just a thought.
[16:01] <eagles0513875> jhutchins: how did u check with ur dns
[16:01] <eagles0513875> *
[16:01] <eagles0513875> *you
[16:01] <andyho623> jhutchins: yeah that's my next step, but one of my friends told me I should be able to re-install over top of my existing kubuntu without losing my home folder
[16:01] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: host irc.x10hosting.com - you can also use nslookup, dig, ping...  LOTS of ways to check.
[16:01] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:02] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d795a5c80
[16:02] <andyho623> Bob: Yeah that was what I was thinking, just not sure how to go about it exactly and I tried searching the forums without much luck
[16:02] <eagles0513875> jhutchins: im using a router and i have the dns setup to point to my router since im using a static ip on the internal network
[16:02] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: "name lookup has failed" - that's your clue.
[16:02] <Agent_bob>  whois x10hosting.com   ^
[16:02] <eagles0513875> webhosting for all of u wondering
[16:02] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: Ah, but that's not the same as irc.x10hosting.com
[16:03] <Agent_bob> jhutchins correct,  irc.  would be a rdns sub service ?
[16:03] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Well, the point is that your lookup failed, and mine from a totally different location failed, so it's a problem with the host or their DNS.
[16:04] <jhutchins> Agent_bob: No, the irc client needs to look up the ip address of the host.
[16:04] <eagles0513875> what bout my dns
[16:04] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: What about it?
[16:04] <eagles0513875> i have the dns ip set to that of my router
[16:04] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: So?
[16:05] <eagles0513875> ok something i think is really messed up with kubuntu networking some where
[16:05] <eagles0513875> the 2.6.18 kernel is borked like no ther
[16:05] <eagles0513875> *other
[16:05] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Why?
[16:06] <Agent_bob> yeah;  -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.x10hosting.com [refnum 1]
[16:06] <Agent_bob> -:- Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.x10hosting.com: No such file
[16:06] <Agent_bob> ok i'm out for a bit.   shalom.
[16:06] <eagles0513875> jhutchins: at least with a static ip cuz on dynamic dhcp ip i dont get this problem
[16:07] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: We're trying to tell you it has nothing to do with your system, it's the host, it doesn't exist today.
[16:07] <eagles0513875> ok interesting cuz i posted on their forum and they r saying its working but anyway
[16:07] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Obviously you're able to reach the valid hosts for freenet.
[16:07] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:07] <eagles0513875> even undernet.org
[16:08] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: If people are asking about it in the forum, they have a problem and are just too dumb to know it.
[16:08] <eagles0513875> its me whos asking
[16:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:08] <jhutchins> ibid.
[16:08] <eagles0513875> with posting stuff in the forum keeps people informed
[16:08] <eagles0513875> bout whats happening with the servers and stuff like this but nobody has posted bout this
[16:09] <gps>   /leave
[16:09] <gps> \leave
[16:09] <gps> sorry :)
[16:10] <pirata> ola?xd
[16:11] <andyho623> here's a link to my forum post if someone wants to help me try and figure this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=802165
[16:14] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: ya know... its odd that it failed on rc-defaults right after starting networkmanager
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> and I don't think netowrk manager ever said "OK"
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> oh never mind.. it did :(
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: if you have all your data I would suggest a re-install
[16:15] <andyho623> nosred: yeah.. and the weird thing now and I haven't posted to the forum lately since it seems like it just takes too dang long.. but I switched over from my nvidia card over to onboard and I haven't had any system crashes.. but still just not booting correctly
[16:16] <andyho623> oh wait.. yeah I did
[16:16] <andyho623> LOL
[16:16] <andyho623> brain is totally being fried over this
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: yep... I suggest a reinstall
[16:18] <andyho623> nosred: yeah that's what I'm prolly gonna do, but one of my friends told me I should be able to reinstall over top of my existing kubuntu without losing my home folder, but I can't figure that out and my option b is plugging in my external usb drive and just copying home over to it and wiping the box clean
[16:19] <nosrednaekim> hrm, I think there is a way to do it, but with all those file system errors, I'd back up and format the whole drive
[16:20] <andyho623> nosred: yeah that's probably the safer way to do it! now I just gotta figure out the command for moving it from home to the usb drive.. hehehe
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> cp -R /home /usbstick
[16:20] <AugustoStorm> Hi
[16:20] <andyho623> nosred: it's just usbstick?!?
[16:21] <olegro> hi
[16:21] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: no.... are you in recovery mode or something?
[16:22] <andyho623> nosred: no.. if I boot up the box it errors out, but I can kill x and log in
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> ah right... ok. you'll have to plug in your usb drive, run "dmesg" and see what its logical name is (probably sdb1) and then run "sudo mount /dev/logical-name /mnt" then "cp -R /home /mnt"
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> second command will probably need sudo as well
[16:24] <andyho623> nosred: THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH!! that's pretty much exactly what I've been searching for!
[16:24] <nosrednaekim> we'll see if it works :)
[16:25] <andyho623> heck as long as I can move the stuff and format the drive I'll be a happy camper! been needing a fresh install for a while
[16:27] <andyho623> bbib
[16:42] <andyho623> ok... I just noticed something REALLY weird.. since I need to clean off my external before I move the home folder.. I decided just to look around some more.. so I just typed in df -h.... and my /dev/sda1 isn't showing a mount point!??!?
[16:42] <eagles0513875> jhutchins: i fiex it the server changed
[16:43] <stefanos> hi everyon
[16:44] <stefanos> i am using compiz fusion and kde4.0 in kubuntu 8.04 and i get double shadows in kde3 applications's menus... any ideas?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: whats on there?
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> stefanos: heh... trun off menu shadows in kcontrol... not sure where in there though
[16:48] <andyho623> nosred: what do you mean what's on there?? that's my main drive
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: / ? the one which you boot off of? the one which has linux?
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: ah.. all is well, it doesn't show / in df :)
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> sorry, I lied... it does
[16:50] <andyho623> that should be the one I'm booting off of..
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> and it doesn't say "/" as the mount point?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> sda1 could always be a windows recovery partition...
[16:51] <andyho623> nosred: that's all it has is a / shouldn't it have something else like /usr/bin or somethin?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> nah.... just / is fine
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> since it is mounted as /
[16:51] <andyho623> phew... for a moment I was like wtf?!
[16:55] <andyho623> any idea why when I fsck I get.... fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=bfcf5100-02eb-4274-b599-725452d15005' ??
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> nope.... no idea
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> actually, the UUID might have changed somehow
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> thats could certainly do it
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> but I don't know how a UUID could change
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> ok... I g2g to my graduation :)
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> laters
[16:56] <andyho623> nosred: see that's what I thought and that it was loading from sda5 rather than sda1
[16:56] <andyho623> cool!! congrats nosred!!!
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: good locuk
[16:56] <jtisme> firefox says i need mplayer to listen to a streaming radio broadcast i have mplayer what gives
[16:57] <drurew> guys...does anyone know where to start to get a desktop widget to interact with a swf stream ?
[16:57] <drurew> sheesh
[16:57] <drurew> sorry i didnt know it was such a conversation
[16:57] <drurew> ;)
[16:58] <Timsen> jtisme: do you also install mozilla-mplayer ?
[16:59] <jtisme> Timsen, no did not do that let me do that also and see what happens
[16:59] <Timsen> close firefox before you do
[17:00] <Timsen> check before and afterwards the about:plugins web page function
[17:04] <xiangtong> hello
[17:11] <stefanos> what's the command to bring up the kde3 control center?
[17:12] <Nece228> kcontrol
[17:12] <stefanos> thanks
[17:13] <Nece228> You are welcome ;)
[17:15] <jtisme> Timsen, well it doesnt complain about mplayer but says Loading Content and never plays
[17:16] <mDemocritus> herro
[17:30] <prodigy> hi all
[17:30] <james_> hello
[17:30] <prodigy> it is so quiet here... whare are all the users???
[17:31]  * mDemocritus lurks, he lurks
[17:31] <james_> in #gnome?
[17:31] <prodigy> NOOOO xD
[17:32] <drurew>  were all doing home work :D
[17:32] <Nece228>  kde 4.1 uses qt4.4.0 isnt it?
[17:33] <mDemocritus> nah... kde just doesn't have problems, so we don't need to clutter up the channel like the gnome-based distros :D
[17:33] <benklop> i'm having a plasma crash in 4.1 beta1, and they are suggesting in #kde that I upgrade to svn
[17:33] <benklop> are there any nightly builds available yet?
[17:34] <benklop> mDemocritus: : sorry to mess up your satement there...
[17:34] <benklop> but it is amazingly bug-free considering it is beta and kde 4.00 was not...
[17:35] <mDemocritus> benklop: CURSE YOU :P
[17:35] <drurew> now now
[17:35] <drurew> lets be nice
[17:36] <drurew> ;P
[17:36] <drurew> >)
[17:37] <andyho623> I just wanna kick my box across the room a few times...
[17:38] <athlon1> Can anyone tell me how to add a jre to OpenOffice. I've installed 3 java machines, but it detects none.
[17:38] <sevensixtwo> the latest update broke my plasma. I only get a white background now
[17:39] <mooper> I have a silicone image 2port rad conroller in my shuttle system with 2 disks in raid 0. I had to use a driver in vista to get it to work.
[17:39] <SabreWolfy> Anyone --> Why do I have nvidia-kernel-common installed when I don't have an nvidia card in my machine!?
[17:39] <benklop> andyho623: if it still works after doing that, kick it at me..
[17:39] <mooper> The installer is showing t drives
[17:39] <mooper> two drives
[17:39] <mooper> Is this software raid?
[17:40] <sevensixtwo> does kde4 use it's own logs that I can look at?
[17:40] <mooper> Its a bit weird cos the /dev/sdb drive is showing no partition
[17:40] <mooper> but I have vista installed on there
[17:41] <spiniker> my kubuntu log-in is taking to long,is there a way for me to log-in much faster? i have googled already for some solutions but to no avail,help anyone
[17:41] <SabreWolfy> spiniker: what is it doing during all that time ?
[17:42] <spiniker> the boot up is fast,its just logging in takes to long,i mean really long..
[17:42] <spiniker> the circle cursor just turns and turns and turns
[17:42] <prodigy> spiniker: you must installed something, or saved your session with a lot of preloaded aplications
[17:43] <SabreWolfy> Anyone --> Why do I have nvidia-kernel-common installed when I don't have an nvidia card in my machine!?
[17:43] <spiniker> i just had an update,thats all and i restarted.
[17:43] <gps23> how can i know which fonts is my xterm currently using?
[17:44] <spiniker> how can i fix it? im getting desperate and even thinking of a clean install
[17:44] <prodigy> SabreWolfy: i was asking the same question... should we remove it?
[17:45] <prodigy> spiniker: goto kcontrol and then kde components, and session manager and select start with an empty session, and restart. maybe that will speed it up. but be careful, this will disable most of startup aplications.
[17:45] <gkffjcs> Hi all, I shared some folders on my desktop via nfs with my laptop. I forgot about my laptop and rebooted my desktop. Now the mounted folders on my laptop are inaccessable, and I cannot unmount the folder, I get device or resource busy.
[17:45] <SabreWolfy> prodigy: !!! :) Hi! I tried to but the dependencies mean that you have to uninstal a lot of stuff -- like "linux-generic"
[17:45] <spiniker> how do i do that?i have both kde and gdm
[17:46] <SabreWolfy> prodigy: I think those drivers are responsible for my white screen when I hit ctrl-alt-f2
[17:46] <prodigy> SabreWolfy: hehe. in order to uninstall nvidia packages which are not needed, you have to uninstal kernel!? xD hahaha crazy... i know. i tried.
[17:47] <spiniker> but my default is gdm
[17:47] <gkffjcs> how do I unmount nfs shares?
[17:47] <prodigy> SabreWolfy: they might be responsible...
[17:47] <spiniker> i cant even put my username and password coz it really is to long just to login
[17:48] <prodigy> spiniker: are you using kde? if so, use ONLY kdm.
[17:48] <prodigy> if you use gnome, use gdm
[17:48] <SabreWolfy> prodigy: yea I'm searching around now but I can't find a solution; I read somewhere that something like half of the crashes in Vista are related to nvidia drivers. I don't want them on my machine if I dont have an nvidia card; and I want my text mode console back !!
[17:48] <spiniker> yes how do i log-in?
[17:48] <prodigy> lol SabreWolfy
[17:48] <spiniker> its that process that takes to long..
[17:49] <prodigy> where are you typing now from spiniker?
[17:49] <SabreWolfy> prodigy: They are part of the linux-restricted-modules package I think
[17:49] <spiniker> im using my windows pc
[17:50] <prodigy> SabreWolfy: yes, but they should not be installed if you do not have nvidia hardware onboeard!! we should talk about this.
[17:50] <Nece228> im using kubuntu hardy now
[17:50] <spiniker> right now..il right it down,just tell me what to do..
[17:50] <Nece228> and listening pink floyd 8]
[17:51] <prodigy> spiniker: you updated and it now takes to long to log in?
[17:51] <prodigy> spiniker: did you only updated, or installed a bunch of packages and aplications yourself? or both?
[17:52] <spiniker> i updated thats all,but its been a while since i updated and i ended up with 118 packages to be updated
[17:52] <prodigy> SabreWolfy: do you know where can we send a report that sais that ncidia drivers should be installed only if you have the hardware? is launchpad the thing, or bug report or something else?
[17:53] <prodigy> spiniker: which are you using? KDM or GDM? kde or gnome? you should use kdm with kde and gdm with gnome.
[17:54] <spiniker> i switch between the two,but i was using gdm when i was updating..
[17:54] <jhutchins> prodigy: Actually, kdm, gdm, and xdm should all be able to load any of the desktops - xfce, kdm, gnome, e17, etc.
[17:54] <gps23> how can i know which fonts is my xterm currently using?
[17:54] <spiniker> so now i cant even log-in..i mean it boots up fast,just logging in takes forever
[17:55] <prodigy> jhutchins: they are able, but they are made to run like that. kdm runs best with kde, gdm with gnome.
[17:55] <prodigy> spiniker: which one is your login screen?
[17:55] <heinkel_111> does anyone know if the HP pavillion dv2819nr will run kubuntu8.04? I am thinkning of buying one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8782613&type=product&id=1205245968527
[17:55] <spiniker> gdm,i choose kdm on sessions
[17:56] <spiniker> it was my default log-in gdm,i was planning to switch it just now
[17:56] <SabreWolfy> prodigy: yeah it is, but I've never done it before; I'm looking at the packages now; they are part of linux-restricted-modules, which has drivers for a while lot of things; just don't know why we can't remove them without having to remove "linux-generic"; maybe i'ts a bug in the latest version only -- I'm on 2.6.24-18
[17:57] <prodigy> SabreWolfy: me too. i think it is unneeded dependency. because generic is a meta package, right?
[17:58] <SabreWolfy> prodigy: correct; have to go now; cheers
[17:58] <prodigy> spiniker: try changing your display manager if you can. if not, choose some failsafe session to log in.
[17:59] <spiniker> thats the problem,just trying to put in my username and password is whats taking too long..
[17:59] <prodigy> spiniker: can you not put in username and passwd, but change a session?
[18:00] <prodigy> spiniker: If you cannot do that, i am afraid you must reinstall.
[18:00] <prodigy> got to go, tally ho
[18:01] <eagles0513875> tally ho pinkerton
[18:01] <spiniker> well thats what i was rying to say,sorry for the mix up..before the update i could do that.change session and all,but now its the logging in part thats taking to long,ive been waiting for the username and password prompt to appear
[18:01] <spiniker> and its taking to long
[18:02] <spiniker> is it a bug?
[18:13] <andyho623> hey can someone help me figure out how to reinstall over kubuntu without losing my home folder?
[18:14] <andyho623> I've actually been able to get to the part where it's asking me how I want things partitioned, but I dont wanna screw anything up
[18:20] <crashhandler> hi
[18:20] <crashhandler> how to make desktop shortcut for konqueror root mode?
[18:21] <richard_> i download a firefox2 and try install but, get firefox3
[18:21] <richard_> how i can instal firefox2
[18:22] <ibou> hi
[18:23] <ibou> how to see shared directories from windows on my kubuntu?
[18:23] <ibou> (i can't see any option like "explore network" on windows
[18:28] <aluizio> oi
[18:30] <Spiro> Hi, is anyone using the new kubuntu release with kde 4.0? Is it early to install it or can I upgrade?
[18:31] <Spiro> upgrade to previous kde 3.5.x?
[18:35] <Spiro> Hi, is anyone using the new kubuntu release with kde 4.0? Is it early to install it or can I upgrade
[18:35] <Spiro> to previous kde 3.5.x?
[18:35] <Spiro> Is anybone in channel?
[18:36] <gps23> Spiro, i am using same
[18:36] <gps23> Spiro, though i didnt liked new kde much
[18:36] <heinkel_111> does anyone know if the HP pavillion dv2819nr will run kubuntu8.04? I am thinkning of buying one...
[18:36] <gps23> Spiro, so using fluxbox on top of it now
[18:36] <heinkel_111> it is a small laptop
[18:36] <Spiro> I see
[18:36] <Haku_Fawkes> hi
[18:36] <Spiro> gps23, is it stable at least?
[18:37] <Spiro> gps23, also is it difficult to install fluxbox?
[18:37] <gps23> Spiro, it crashed 1-2 times
[18:37] <Haku_Fawkes> where I can find german support?
[18:37] <gps23> Spiro, nope, but fluxbox is quite minimal, a bit of learning curve is required
[18:37] <benklop> how can I generate a proper backtrace for a plasma crash?
[18:38] <crimsun> fluxbox really isn't that minimal
[18:38] <damien__> Can anyone tell me where I can find the folder for a game I installed through Synaptic?
[18:38] <crimsun> e.g., try lwm
[18:38] <bak1an> hi 2 all )
[18:38] <Spiro> gps23, could you please give a good reference to start with for installation? ...obviously, with fluxbox now your desktop  and system is faster and more stable, right?
[18:38] <gps23> crimsun, yes, but i was comparing it to kde4 :)
[18:38] <ubuntu> hi
[18:39] <Haku_Fawkes> gibs hier auch n de-kubuntu?
[18:39] <gps23> Spiro, it has less memory footprint, so yes if u have limited memory, else it won't make much difference, but startup is much faster
[18:40] <dru__> !DE
[18:40] <gps23> Spiro, stable yes, i haven't seen fluxbox crash ever
[18:40] <damien__> Can anyone tell me where I can find the folder for something I installed through Synaptic?
[18:41] <Spiro> gps23, thanks
[18:41] <dru__> damien__: JUST RUN THE PROGRAM NAME IN THE TERMIANL
[18:41] <dru__>  srry
[18:41] <damien__> I need to edit something in the folder though
[18:41] <gps23> Spiro, np :)
[18:41] <claydoh> damien__: you can check out the detsils section  in synaptic to see the list of files
[18:41] <Haku_Fawkes> thx
[18:41] <damien__> Ok
[18:41] <gps23> Spiro, fluxbox's website and its wiki contain everything u will need
[18:42] <Spiro> cool
[18:42] <gps23> Spiro, i mean the documentation
[18:42] <Spiro> yes
[18:42] <Douglas> can anyone help me   on how to install  kubuntu on ASUS F3s series laptop with a NVIDIA GRAPHIC CARD ???
[18:43] <gps23> Spiro, i like flubox coz i can assign my own shortcuts to whatever i needm kde and gnome are quite limiting in this
[18:43] <damien__> Where can I find my games folder? I can't figure out what claydoh meant.
[18:46] <jonaskoelker> hi all; I installed kubuntu on my laptop; then i (apt-get) installed ubuntu-desktop, and purged a bunch of kde packages, including compizconfig-backend-kconfig.  Now, when running compiz, it doesn't respond to my keyboard; alt-f2 doesn't open "run", alt-drag doesn't move windows, alt-tab doesn't switch, etc.  how can I make compiz work normally?
[18:47] <nite613_> On Hardy what is the easiest way to get my laptop to freak out with sounds and noises when it's getting too hot? I've found the notifications setup for "KDE System Guard" called "A sensor has exceeded a critical limit", but I can't figure out how to set those limits for any given sensor
[18:48] <jhutchins> jonaskoelker: If you've purged a bunch of kde packages, you're no longer running kubuntu, and your question is really not relevant here.  I would suggest you ask in #ubuntu or #compiz-fusion
[18:49] <jonaskoelker> that's what I thought, but some #ubuntu folks said to go here...
[18:49] <jonaskoelker> oh well, thanks for reading my complainz ;)
[18:50] <jhutchins> jonaskoelker: They probably don't know what they're talking about.  Just because your base install was kubuntu doesn't mean there's anything to it but the dektop, the rest of all the *buntu's is the same.
[18:50] <jhutchins> Sorry, stray apostrophy.
[18:50] <Tonren> I upgraded to KDE 4.1beta, and now my laptop's volume keys don't work.  Anyone know what's up?
[18:50] <jhutchins> !puregnome | jonaskoelker
[18:51] <jhutchins> Tonren: Yes, you are beta testing software that's not ready for regular use.  You've found a bug - congratulations.  Please report and doccument it.
[18:51] <Tonren> jhutchins: Sure thing.  I'll bet there's a ticket out there for it already.
[18:51] <jhutchins> Tonren: Might well be, might be a work-around too.
[18:52] <damien__> Okay, I figured out my last problem, but whenever I try to put it in the folder, it says access denied, why?
[18:53] <damien__> Nevermind, sorry.
[18:53] <AugustoStorm> Who are u talking to
[18:55] <biovore> !kde4
[19:00] <nite613_> Any hints on setting a temperature alarm?
[19:02] <nite613_> I have system guard running, a tray applet that shows my temp (if I look at it), and a system notification config sheet that purports to send me an alarm if "a sensor exceeded a critical value", but how do I set that critical value?
[19:04] <ign0ramus> hey guys.  can anyone recommend a decent Parental Controls app for kubuntu, preferably with GUI?
[19:04] <jasmin_> dhq__: hi
[19:04] <grufti> hi
[19:05] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, what are you trying to do?
[19:05] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: basically restrict some sites for my parents computer (both for my little brother and for them too) ;)
[19:05] <dhq__> jasmin_: hi
[19:06] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, if you simply want to block websites, you can add entries to the hosts fil
[19:06] <NickPresta> e
[19:07] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: yeah, but I'd like something pro-active... that requires adding a certain site each time they come across one that is objectionable.  I need something that refers to a database or keywords
[19:07] <grufti> is there a way to configure the hotkey for volume control? in its current state, by turning the volume wheel, it goes up at 10% steps, which i dont like
[19:07] <jasmin_> dhq__: [;)]
[19:08] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, hmm. I don't know of any off-hand. You could try messing around with Squid Web Proxy and such. It supports regular expressions, mime-types, etc
[19:09] <grufti> i dont find the option in keyboard shortcuts control module
[19:09] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: i saw that too.  i'm surprised that there aren't more options (nothing at all in the repositories).  Now that Linux is ready for the Desktop (i say that tongue-in-cheek), you would think there'd be some "family friendly" apps out there...
[19:10] <ign0ramus> i wonder if a bash script could handle that... :/
[19:10] <grufti> would be enough for me to know which app is responsible for assigning the keyboard to certain commands
[19:11] <ign0ramus> grufti: check in /etc/acpi/
[19:11] <ign0ramus> your keymapping for hotkeys should be located there
[19:11] <grufti> thanks
[19:11] <ign0ramus> don't thank me until i've actually helped! :)
[19:13] <grufti> haha. at least someone answers at all which happens rather seldom for me. so there's someone WILLING to help ;)
[19:14] <ign0ramus> grufti: i know what you mean sometimes... but there are very few experts around here, and so the blind must lead the blind sometimes!
[19:22] <dale> hi all
[19:22] <Eruaran> hi
[19:22] <dale> can someone help me with, I'm new to ubuntu (less than 24 hours) and I don't have the hang of things.
[19:23] <coreymon77> sure
[19:23] <coreymon77> what do you need
[19:23] <dale> I need to modify the source for bcm43xx.ko (already done), I just want to build and install it without having to build everything else
[19:24] <coreymon77> wait, less than 24 hours with ubuntu and you are already compiling
[19:24] <coreymon77> and editing sources?
[19:24] <coreymon77> wow
[19:24] <dale> not new to unix just ubuntu
[19:25] <coreymon77> oh
[19:25] <coreymon77> lol
[19:25] <coreymon77> i was thinking that must have been some sort of record :P
[19:26] <dale> so how do I build just my module or if I have to the entire wireless package
[19:27] <coreymon77> what care do you have again?
[19:27] <coreymon77> card*
[19:28] <dale> wmp300n, I don't need it to work I just need it to be recognized so I can use iwpriv to modify the subsys ID's (a requirement)
[19:28] <coreymon77> chipset?
[19:28] <dale> it doesn't matter but it's bcm4321
[19:29] <dale> you're looking at it like I wanna make it work and that is wrong approach, I just need it to bind so iwpriv will work on it ndiswrapper doesn't do this
[19:29] <coreymon77> get a better card? :P
[19:29] <coreymon77> sorry, im not much for the building and compiling sutff
[19:30] <coreymon77> stuff*
[19:30] <dale> what does that have to do with what I'm doing?
[19:30] <dale> then why botther commenting at all.
[19:32] <dale> anyone know how to build a single module or partial package?
[19:33] <coreymon77> WWWWWEEEEEEEEE!
[19:34] <coreymon77> netsplit
[19:34] <ibou> how to see shared directories from windows on my kubuntu?
[19:35] <dale> does anyone know how to build part of the ubuntu source without building everything?
[19:36] <ign0ramus> ibou: the simplest way would just be to open konqueror and navigate to " media:/ "
[19:41] <ibou> how to see shared directories from another pc with windows (on the same work group) on my kubuntu?
[19:46] <lumpycow> hello...
[19:47] <lumpycow> what do you use to format a hard drive partition?
[19:50] <seraph> hi, is the packages.ubuntu.com down??
[19:52] <fale> seraph: I think yes
[19:52] <djg9282> Hi guys...quick question...just downloaded scanmodem.gz to my KDE desktop...can you help me with the walk through in the terminal...i don't know how to get to the desktop directory.
[19:52] <emilsedgh> scanmodem sucks
[19:52] <seraph> fale: thanks.... does this mean the adept/synaptic/apt-get update/upgrade process will be affected?? Coz, I was in the middle of an update...
[19:53] <Admiral_laptop> I'm trying to send the output of fdisk-l to a file...how can I do that?
[19:53] <Admiral_laptop> like lshw > file.txt
[19:53] <fale> seraph: nope, they work fine
[19:53] <Admiral_laptop> wait i got it
[19:54] <claudio_> ciao
[19:54] <seraph> fale: thanks again, i guess it depends on the mirror repo being used... us.archive.ubuntu.com is up i guess, right?
[19:55] <fale> seraph: yes
[19:55] <jussi01> !repomirror | seraph
[19:55] <fale> claudio_: ciao
[19:55] <jussi01> hrm
[19:55] <seraph> thanks fale.
[19:55] <fale> seraph: yw
[19:55] <jussi01> seraph: ignore that -its ubuntu specific
[19:57] <seraph> ubottu: thanks. is that for gnome? is there any anything from cli (i remember, ooat, there was an apt-spy)?
[19:58] <lumpycow> oh btw... if I am to mount a new partitoin... what should it be mounted as?
[19:58] <jussi01> !bot | seraph
[19:59] <jussi01> seraph: go to kmenu - adept - manage repositories - choose other from the drop down box and then find best server
[20:01] <seraph> jussi01: thanks, why didn't I ever try that?
[20:01] <jussi01> :)
[20:01] <jussi01> seraph: because you didnt know about it :D
[20:01] <foormea> hi
[20:02] <jussi01> hi
[20:02] <engineer> anyone who speaks german here?
[20:02] <msnbot> hello, I want to setup a shortcut for Keyboard layout changing in Kubuntu. how to do that??
[20:03] <foormea> i've got 2 problems: first is, i'm trying (in this first step :D) to have qwerty and azerty (french) keyboard layouts. it works. i can switch between layouts with ctrl-alt-K. but the more 'customized' shortcuts (such as alt-shift, both alt keys and other) won't work. is this normal?
[20:03] <jussi01> !de | engineer
[20:03] <Admiral_laptop> !de
[20:04] <engineer> sho said i needed german support?
[20:04] <engineer> who*
[20:04] <squid0> hi. what is the kde base directory in kubuntu?
[20:05] <jussi01> engineer: you asked for someone who speaks german
[20:05] <engineer> i needed german translation
[20:05] <msnbot> foormea:  how did you set that shortcut. I want to set a shortcut
[20:05] <foormea> msnbot: the ctrl-alt-K, i didn't set it. i read somewhere online that it's a KDE default shortcut
[20:06] <foormea> but well anyway this first problem isn't TOO important since i can switch between layouts with ctrl-alt-K
[20:06] <foormea> my second question is,
[20:06] <jussi01> engineer: the most likely place to find a german speaker is in #kubuntu-de
[20:06] <foormea> i want to be able to input chinese. i added chinese and ticked "enable support for complex characters"
[20:06] <foormea> logged out, restarted, pulled my hair, but no scim/skim...
[20:06] <msnbot> foormea: thanks for the shortcut, but I cant revert it.
[20:07] <msnbot> I can go to bengali layout. But I cant return to English layout
[20:07] <foormea> msnbot: ctrl-alt-K switches in loop between US and french for me
[20:07] <msnbot> foormea: I need to set something like you.
[20:08] <frybye> hi - a friend setup the ssh server here and explained how to allow a helper I trust have access - i know a sys admin in nevade some 25 years and gave him the ip - account name and pw but he was unable to login - what could be the reason - does one have to start the server by hand or ..?
[20:08] <msnbot> foormea: when I first press it. It changes to bengali. when I do it next time. Its then Ctrl+Alt+ক not Ctrl+Alt+K. so doesnt' work
[20:08] <frybye> put another way - how can I check if the server is running?
[20:09] <foormea> msnbot: all i did was, go to system settings, regional and languages, ....
[20:09] <foormea> haha
[20:09] <foormea> wellllll :) don't know
[20:09] <foormea> the so-called xkb switchers don't work on my side
[20:10] <frybye> short version of same question - how do i check to see if I have a ssh server running here...?
[20:10] <foormea> ssh 127.0.0.1 ?
[20:10] <frybye> flaccid: can you give me a tip on this problem...
[20:10] <foormea> or ssh localhost
[20:10] <foormea> (same)
[20:11] <frybye> foormea: with that command in the terminal window..??
[20:11] <foormea> frybye: yeah
[20:12] <frybye> foormea: it said ..." ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused.."
[20:12] <|Dreams|> what program would i use to create an audio dvd?
[20:12] <frybye> which is what it was telling my friend in nevada also.. apparently..
[20:13] <foormea> then you probably don't have a ssh running
[20:13] <foormea> unless it's set up running on another port
[20:13] <SilentDis> !autostart
[20:13] <frybye> how do i start it foormea??
[20:13] <foormea> (if i'm not mistaken)
[20:13] <foormea> frybye: install it with sudo aptitude install openssh-server ; then it'll be set up to launch automatically as a service
[20:14] <foormea> if not (but it will), start with sudo /etc/init.d/openssh-server start
[20:14] <frybye> but I would tend to assume that has all been done - the guy who was here is a systems engineer and knows his stuff.. eh perhaps I just need to start it - not to re-install it or..?
[20:15] <foormea> okay then, just type       aptitude show openssh-server
[20:15] <foormea> you'll see in the first few lines, state: installed/not installed
[20:15] <foormea> you could also just try to launch it with the sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[20:15] <foormea> (yeah it's /etc/init.d/ssh, not openssh-server, my mistake a few lines up)
[20:16] <sensae> Does anyone know of a VM I can use to get 3D/DirectX support?
[20:16] <sensae> Or if I can set up a dual boot to be bootable as a VM and natively?
[20:16] <frybye> foormea: I will put the result of that command in a pastup .. hang on pse..
[20:16] <foormea> no no no need
[20:17] <engineer> frybye don't highlight me
[20:17] <foormea> either it will tell you, OK launched, or already running, or file doesn't exist
[20:18] <frybye> there is stuff in there about a colision - please have a look at it .. @engineer.. I dont know what you mean..
[20:18] <foormea> frybye: ok pastebin
[20:18] <frybye> here is the past if anybody would like to help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18123/
[20:19] <engineer> frybye ok
[20:19] <foormea> frybye: openssh is installed
[20:19] <foormea> frybye: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[20:19] <foormea> what does it say?
[20:20] <frybye> so it look like I should install - molly-guard, rssh, ssh-askpass or?
[20:20] <foormea> frybye: nothing :)
[20:20] <sensae> How can I boot a native install of XP as a VM, or vice-versa?
[20:20] <frybye> ok looks like it is running now...
[20:20] <foormea> sensae: i think i did that once with vmware
[20:21] <foormea> frybye: ssh localhost
[20:21] <frybye> same as before - connection refused...
[20:21] <foormea> ok
[20:21] <foormea> hold on
[20:22] <frybye> k
[20:23] <foormea> frybye: mh. i've got some other stuff to do right now but i see 2 explanations: it's running on a non-standard port (check out your /etc/ssh/sshd_config, check out the Port line)
[20:23] <sensae> foormea: But you remember doing it?
[20:23] <foormea> with for example, cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep 22
[20:23] <foormea> sensae: nah. but perhaps the dude who installed it for you changed some settings
[20:24] <msnbot> foormea: I have changed Ctrl+Alt+K to Shift+Backspace
[20:24] <mluser-home> Is there a way to have networkmanager connect to a preferred wireless access point without having to log into my normal user?  I want it to bring up the network right after I power on the laptop
[20:24] <foormea> sensae: could also come from your machine's firewall? but i've no knowledge for those things
[20:24] <foormea> msnbot: cool! how??
[20:24] <sensae> foormea: I think you're getting your conversations mixed up. I was asking about a VM
[20:24] <foormea> sensae: :D sorry
[20:25] <foormea> sensae: yeah, vmware. i did it. but what i did was, installed the OS under vmware on a physical partition then boot on it
[20:25] <foormea> should work the other way round too, problem is the boot loader though
[20:25] <sensae> foormea: Well I have blank space, I'm trying to set the system up from scratch
[20:26] <sensae> foormea: How does the bootloader cause issues?
[20:26] <msnbot> go System settings > keyboard mouse >  kb shortcuts > Global shortcuts tab
[20:26] <msnbot> foormea:  see above
[20:26] <msnbot> foormea: now see at the end of list "keyboard" is there
[20:27] <frybye> hi - whats the default port for openssh???
[20:27] <foormea> sensae: perhaps if you separate your blank space in 2 partitions, 1 for your new system, 1 for vmware's (or whatever's) bootloader
[20:27] <mluser-home> frybye: 22
[20:27] <foormea> then in you ACTUAL bootloader, you add a line for your new system
[20:27] <foormea> frybye: 22
[20:27] <foormea> msnbot: let me see
[20:27] <foormea> msnbot: thx
[20:28] <frybye> mluser-home: I have a very different one.. so that will have been the problem I guss.. I can just edit the config to change it right..?
[20:28] <sensae> foormea: I'm following what you want me to do, but not why - my knowledge of VMware's booting process isn't very good
[20:28] <mluser-home> frybye: Yes.. just change it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:29] <foormea> msnbot: coolness
[20:29] <foormea> sensae: vmware is a virtual computer
[20:29] <foormea> install it and you'll see how it works :)
[20:29] <foormea> frybye: or just ssh localhost:<your port>
[20:30] <foormea> or ssh localhost <your port>
[20:30] <sensae> foormea: Yeah, I've used VMs before. But why would I need two separate partitions?
[20:30] <foormea> don't remember if you need the :
[20:30] <foormea> sensae: cause if you use a physical partition, you'll need a boot loader somewhere
[20:30] <foormea> or you could actually have your boot loader on the partition?
[20:30] <frybye> hmm with nano it did not let me change the port number???
[20:30] <foormea> mhhh maybe. honestly i'm not sure. i hope i'm not just talking nonsense
[20:31] <foormea> frybye: sudo nano blablabla
[20:31] <frybye> ah ha - the    ssh localhost:<my port> will set the new one right..
[20:31] <foormea> frybye: not SET but USE
[20:31] <frybye> ok - not sure of the difference.. but ok hehehe
[20:31] <sensae> foormea: Are you talking about the bootloader for booting it natively?
[20:32] <foormea> okay anyway. under kubuntu hardy i just tried compiz, now i don't want compiz anymore but it totally messed up my config, alt-tab doesn't work properly anymore and windows aren't snapping anymore. what to do??
[20:32] <foormea> sensae: natively and in the VM also
[20:32] <foormea> sensae: whichever, you'll need a boot loader right?
[20:32] <frybye> it says name or service not known...
[20:32] <djg9282> Can anyone help me with installing a package that is suppose to get my Winmodem to work under linux the package is SLMODEMD.gcc4.2.tar.gz and i have it on the desktop, but i don't know how to get the process started??
[20:32] <frybye> i did ssh localhost:<the numbers>
[20:33] <foormea> djg9282: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[20:33] <frybye> do I have to actually type the < and >???
[20:33] <foormea> frybye: try without :
[20:33] <foormea> frybye: no
[20:33] <foormea> ssh localhost:24824
[20:33] <foormea> or ssh localhost 28425
[20:33] <djg9282> thanks let me try that
[20:33] <foormea> frybye: i suggest you read some first step manual in linux/ubuntu :)
[20:34] <sensae> foormea: I'll just play aroudn with it
[20:34] <foormea> yeah ok
[20:34] <foormea> well
[20:34] <foormea> i better go
[20:34] <foormea> and try to fix my !@#$%^&*( kde
[20:35] <frybye> ah well.. connection refused - no matter what I do...
[20:35] <djg9282> foormea: i get an error message "cannot access archive" that the file does not exist but it is on my desktop and i am in that directory
[20:36] <foormea> dumb question: you sure you typed it correctly? use completion (with tab)
[20:36] <djg9282> The command it wants me to do for this package is $ tar zxf SLMODEMD.gcc4.2.tar.gz but that didn't work
[20:36] <minhaaj> how do i get TOR to work with kubuntu?
[20:36] <minhaaj> http://www.torproject.org/download-unix.html.en
[20:36] <_2> !tab
[20:37] <djg9282> foormea: i went back and it looks like i typed everything right CAPS where it needed to be and smallcase where that needed to be
[20:37] <foormea> minhaaj: sudo kate /etc/privoxy/config or something, un-# the line that has 9050
[20:37] <foormea> then configure your browser
[20:37] <foormea> or use torbutton (ff2) or foxyproxy
[20:38] <Nece228> hello
[20:38] <_2> !info tor
[20:38] <_2> minhaaj ^
[20:38] <Nece228> how can i paste favourites from internet explorer to konqueror?
[20:38] <bak1an> how can i disable notifications like "[22:38] --> Nece228 зайшов на канал (n=simas@89.116.179.73)." in Konversation?
[20:38] <foormea> i'll be back
[20:38] <foormea> --
[20:39] <minhaaj> foor whats taht ?
[20:39] <_ZeuZ_> Hi, after recompiling the kernel, reinstalling the nvidia privative module will have any effect on other kernel's modules?
[20:40] <xfiles> qualche italiano
[20:40] <_ZeuZ_> xfiles, !it
[20:40] <_ZeuZ_> !it
 Hi, after recompiling the kernel... < did you build all kernel modules for that kernel ?
[20:41] <xfiles> ok
[20:41] <_ZeuZ_> _2: all exept for the privative nVidia driver one
[20:41] <_ZeuZ_> the Ubuntu's master kernel thread says I have to reinstall it, but I wanted to know if it will have any effect on other kernels I've got installed here
[20:42] <_ZeuZ_> the Ubuntu's master kernel thread says I have to reinstall it, but I wanted to know if it will have any effect on other kernels I've got installed here
[20:42] <_2> _ZeuZ_ you just talking about a remix of the same source ?    if so then it wont affect other modules no.
[20:42] <_ZeuZ_> Holly fuck-a-mole! netsplit!
[20:42] <NekosolTeraDyne> !language
[20:42] <_ZeuZ_> _2: No, plain new compilation...
[20:42] <_ZeuZ_> ups,sorry NekosolTeraDyne won't happen again
[20:43] <_2> !language | _ZeuZ_
[20:43] <_ZeuZ_> printf "won't happen again :P"\n
[20:43] <coreymon77> yup
[20:44] <_2> _ZeuZ_ ok.  trying to catch up here   your Q, will it affect other kernels i have installed?   no.
[20:45] <_ZeuZ_> So, if I install the new kernel, and I have to install nvidia module from nvidia site, it will not hurt previous kernels right? just repeating to make sure, I've had trobule with regressions so wanted to check that and correct my knowledges...
[20:45] <_2> _ZeuZ_ sorry it takes so long to answer such slightly vague questions,    and yes that is correct.
[20:46] <coreymon77> again?
[20:46] <NekosolTeraDyne> Someone should take that server completely offline.
[20:46] <_2> _ZeuZ_ each kernel,  unless it uses the same version.sub-version  is a completely seperate os
[20:47] <_ZeuZ_> slightly vague question? :P bet there are not much *ubuntu users trying to remove modules from the initramfs and working over only what you need for your system to boot up :P
[20:47] <coreymon77> wow, that was a big one
[20:47] <_ZeuZ_> well, I had problems previously on Debian when I booted back to previous kernels, I had to reinstall the modules...
[20:48] <_ZeuZ_> those problems, though, where on gcc bugtrack
[20:48] <Nece228> lol
[20:48] <_ZeuZ_> Another netsplit? :O
[20:48] <_2> _ZeuZ_ that's not the vague part.    the vague part was that you asked if it "would affect other kernel modules"   when addressed you later specified "modules with other kernel builds"   i'm not a mind reader    (usually)
[20:48] <Nece228> what a spam
[20:48] <Nece228> cool spam
[20:48] <Nece228> :D
[20:48] <Nece228> :DDDDDDDDDD
[20:48] <nainef> netsplits, are they new?
[20:48] <_2> no.
[20:48] <nainef> I' haven't seen one in awhile
[20:49] <NekosolTeraDyne> nainef: Then you haven't been on freenode in a while
[20:49] <nainef> hehe
[20:49] <_2> happens when the black hat boys come to play.
[20:49] <_ZeuZ_> lol
[20:49] <nainef> oh noes
[20:49] <Nece228> Please don't spam here or i will ban you all from here forever! *joke*
[20:50] <_ZeuZ_> luckily I'm behind 3 routers hehe
[20:50] <_ZeuZ_> (at the residency)
[20:50] <nainef> whoa
[20:50] <_ZeuZ_> not counting router frontier and stuff...
[20:50] <_2> router is only as safe as it's admin.
[20:50] <Nece228> Kubuntu rocks!
[20:50] <Nece228> Kubuntu rocks!
[20:50] <Nece228> Kubuntu rocks!
[20:50] <NekosolTeraDyne> ...
[20:50] <_ZeuZ_> well, it would be hard to tunnel back to my host for them
[20:50] <_ZeuZ_> either way, we have allowed only 80,443,21,22,23 ports allowed
[20:50] <Nece228> KDE 3.5 rocks!
[20:50] <Nece228> KDE 3.5 rocks!
[20:50] <Nece228> KDE 3.5 rocks!
[20:51] <coreymon77> will you shut it
[20:51] <_2> _ZeuZ_ but they would be trying to exploit your irc client anyway.  ;/
[20:51] <NekosolTeraDyne> !offtopic
[20:51] <djg9282> Can anyone help a newbie get this winmodem up and running.... already have the package SLMODEMD unzipped but i don't know how to install the package...i don't understand the "makefile" command or what to do with it
[20:51] <_ZeuZ_> well, afaik xchat does not have any critical vuln
[20:51] <_2> !winmodem | djg9282
[20:51] <coreymon77> djg9282: wow, dialup
[20:51] <Nece228> ubottu: cool, thanks!
[20:51] <_ZeuZ_> worst of them are DoS
[20:52] <_2> coreymon77 i'm on dialup.
[20:52] <coreymon77> djg9282: next thing your gonna say is that dinosaurs still roam the earth :P
[20:52] <damien__> What's a good C++ compiler with a graphical interface?
[20:52] <coreymon77> djg9282: lol
[20:52] <_ZeuZ_> damien__, what do you want a GUI for a Compiler??
[20:52] <coreymon77> djg9282: btw, ubottu is a bot
[20:52] <_ZeuZ_> damien__, don't you mean an IDE?
[20:53] <_2> damien__ graffical interface ?       gcc   but no gui to it.
[20:53] <damien__> ZeuZ: I need a compiler with a GUI
[20:53] <toti_> hello
[20:53] <coreymon77> jeebus!
[20:53] <_ZeuZ_> damien__, well, if you could tell me why you need a Gui for compiling, I'll search one for you
[20:53] <_2> damien__ try  kdevelop
[20:53] <damien__> ZeuZ: I'm not good with command line.
[20:53] <_ZeuZ_> _2 but that,s an IDE with Compiling tools...
[20:54] <damien__> Oh
[20:54] <_2> _ZeuZ_ yeah.  and ?
[20:54] <_ZeuZ_> damien__, well, as _2  says you can try Kdeveop..
[20:54] <_ZeuZ_> _2: nothin :P just that he asked for compiler only :P
[20:54] <coreymon77> ...
[20:55] <_2> _ZeuZ_ i mean he just told us that he's just looking for a way to point and click and get something built   so  (kdevelop)    or do you have a better idea ?
[20:55] <_ZeuZ_> hmm, man gcc :)
[20:55] <_2> that's what i first said.
[20:55] <_2> :)
[20:56] <_ZeuZ_> gosh, Core 2 Duo t9XXX really worst it's price now that I see it compiling...
[20:56] <_2> worst ?
[20:56] <_2> worth ?
[20:56] <m00v> haha
[20:56] <_ZeuZ_> yeah, my bad :P
[20:57] <_ZeuZ_> pardon my bad english x'D
[20:57] <_2> hehhe   "really worst it's price"        >:]
[20:57] <jrl123> I have a question about accessing files on a second partition that also has ubuntu installed. I've mounted it but can't see the / structure. If it's easier, advice on how to just boot into that partition (can't access the files so I don't know what to put for the kernel and initrd) would also work. I just want to grab 2 files and re-format.
[20:58] <_2> _ZeuZ_ you no will to engrish
[20:58] <MementoMori> are there kde4.1 packages for gutsy?
[20:58] <_ZeuZ_> _2: ok now that I did not understand at all xD
[20:58] <_2> _ZeuZ_ nothing,   just teasing.
[20:59] <_2> !ot | _2
[20:59] <MementoMori> jrl123: if you mounted the right partition you have to see your filed
[20:59] <MementoMori> files
[20:59] <andyho623> ok guys.. part 2.. so I was just able to re-install over kubuntu.. my home folder was saved.. now showing as /media/disk... so what's the easiest way to copy my old home folder over to my new home??
[21:00] <MementoMori> jrl123: if you mounted the right partition you have to see your files
[21:00] <_2> andyho623 do you want to copy it to your new home or mount it as your new home ?
[21:01] <m00v> andyho623 : cp -r <oldhome> <newhome>
[21:01] <_2> andyho623 i would sujest mc for copy and editing /etc/fstab for changing the mountpoint
[21:01] <damien__> How do I compile my project with kdevelop?
[21:01] <_2> that one really needed punctuating didn't it
[21:01] <djg9282> Can anyone help me with installing the SLMODEMD package to get my winmodem up and running...i have it already have the SLMoDEMD as an exectuible...now i just need to know how to install it properly
[21:01] <andyho623> 2: I'd like to copy it just to make sure it doesn't get lost.. I don't need to mount it since it's obviously created it's own partiton
[21:01] <damien__> I go to build, but the only option is stop and it's not clickable.
[21:01] <andyho623> but I don't really need 2 copies of everything
[21:02] <_2> andyho623 i would sujest "mc" for copy; and, editing "/etc/fstab" for changing the mountpoint.
[21:02] <andyho623> I had some serious upgrading issues... finally getting it back on track!!
[21:02] <cary_jebus_> hjhow come I cant open my other partition in linux
[21:02] <cary_jebus_> even after refromating it
[21:03] <cary_jebus_> its a etx2
[21:03] <jrl123> MementoMori: it's definitely the right partition. I think it's a result of using the windows insaller and not a boot disk. Instead of bin, boot,... I have mbr files  and a folder called ubuntu
[21:03] <_2> andyho623 ummm two copies ?     you have your old root fs and /media/somfin ?
[21:03] <MementoMori> what's inside ubuntu dir?
[21:04] <_2> s/and/as/   ^   sorry
[21:04] <jrl123> MementoMori: disks docs install winboot the install exe and some txt files
[21:05] <cary_jebus_> can someone help me\
[21:05] <_2> cary_jebus_ because you dont have permission ?
[21:05] <andyho623> 2: I just re-installed kubuntu.. it partitioned my old home directory to /media/disk... don't quite know why, but whatever.. so now I want to move my music,pics, etc from the old folder to my new home
[21:05] <MementoMori> jrl123: are you sure you didnt delete the files?
[21:05] <cary_jebus_> no, im admin
[21:06] <jrl123> pretty sure. i don't know how that would have happened.
[21:06] <cary_jebus_> the only user on the computer
[21:06] <andyho623> just don't wanna lose anything in the process
[21:06] <_2> andyho623 all you need to do is edit /etc/fstab   and make the mountpoint for that fs as  /home        err you might need to own it too.
[21:06] <djg9282> anyone here or did we get another network disonnect?
[21:06] <MementoMori> do you remember the name of the files you are looking for?
[21:07] <andyho623> 2: ok I just opened fstab and it's not listed in there?
[21:07] <MementoMori> jrl123: do you remember the name of the files you are looking for?
[21:08] <cary_jebus_> so what do i do
[21:08] <andyho623> 2: it is listed under mount though...
[21:08] <_2> andyho623 example;   mount #this will show you what is munted where;    kdesu kate /etc/fstab  # this will open the file system table in the kate editor;     add a line with the device that is listed as being mounted on /media/disk  like this;  /dev/hdb3 /home auto defaults 0 0    #that is an example only.
[21:08] <jrl123> Yes. They aren't found
[21:09]  * cary_jebus_ waits
[21:09] <_2> andyho623 that late i know.  i typed while you did.
[21:09] <splash88> who
[21:09] <MementoMori> jrl123: if you are looking in the right place you have a problem very difficult to resolve here
[21:10] <MementoMori> jrl123: It seems you (or a software you recently used) deleted the files
[21:11] <andyho623> 2: LOL np! ok but currently my fs is on /dev/sda6 my old one was /dev/sda1.. with mount it's /dev/sda6 on / type ext3 (rw,realtime,errors=remount -ro) and.. then there's /dev/sda1 on media/disk type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
[21:11] <prodigy> i screwed up! i shift deleted documents folder, i need it back! is there a way???
[21:11] <MementoMori> bye all
[21:11] <_2> andyho623 the only thing that would differ from my example "/dev/hdb3 /home auto defaults 0 0"  and your actual fstab line is the device "/dev/hdb3"  would be "/dev/sda1"
[21:12] <_2> andyho623 so " /dev/sda1  /home auto defaults 0 0 "
[21:12] <prodigy> anyone?
[21:13] <NickPresta> prodigy, I'm looking, but I can't find anything
[21:13] <andyho623> 2: but in my fstab file it's not listed at all?!? I've only got sda6 and sda7 which is a swap.. sda1 isn't showing
[21:13] <prodigy> thank you all...
[21:13] <_2> andyho623 but run; sudo chown $USER /media/disk/$USER -R   #first because you may have changed UID along the way.
[21:13] <andyho623> 2: ooooohhhhhhh ok that makes a ton more sense then.. yeah I was having some serious UUID issues
[21:14]  * _2 wonders what part of "add a line" did andy miss
[21:14] <jrl123> Thanks for the help. The files weren't critical just time saving
[21:14] <andyho623> 2: LOL.. yeah I missed the add a line part
[21:14] <_2> :)    sorry.
[21:14] <_2> want me to repost ?
[21:15] <andyho623> And not to sound completely retarded but is $USER my user name then?
[21:15] <_2> andyho623 yes it's a shell variable that is supposed to always expand to your user name.
[21:16] <_2> echo " i am $USER and i live in $HOME "
[21:16] <prodigy> thank you very much, i have to go now, type with you tommorow, bye!
[21:17] <_2> andyho623 err make that the owner of the shell it is used in.    if you   sudo -i    and then echo the same string you will see entirely different output than if you run    sudo echo " i am $USER and i live in $HOME "   from a normal account.
[21:17] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: hey
[21:18] <_2> andyho623 that's because the shell expands the variables before calling the sudo command in the second example above.
[21:18] <_2> little cli one owe one
[21:19] <andyho623> 2: ahh ok, makes sense :)
[21:19] <Nece228> there is problem with youtube and konqueror
[21:19] <Nece228> when i open youtube in konqueror there is error message:
[21:20] <Nece228> A script on this page is causing KHTML to freeze. If it continues to run, other applications may become less responsive.
[21:20] <Nece228> Do you want to abort the script?
[21:20] <Nece228> what shall i do?
[21:20] <_2> abort it.
[21:20] <theFATMAN> whats up everybody, i just installed kubuntu on my little girl's pc, well, I didnt write the password down, dropped to root to reset it, now its not recognizing the username or password, how can i fix this?
[21:20] <andyho623> HALLELUJAH MY SYSTEM IS FIXED!!!!!!
[21:21] <_2> bah   kinda a bumpy ride today
[21:21] <engineer> wtf
[21:21] <theFATMAN> whats up everybody, i just installed kubuntu on my little girl's pc, well, I didnt write the password down, dropped to root to reset it, now its not recognizing the username or password, how can i fix this?
[21:21] <andyho623> Now I won't lose my 30G of music!! :-D
[21:21] <engineer> use the recovery kernel
[21:22] <engineer> and drop the user and recreate it again
[21:22] <minhaaj> my wine is not working
[21:22] <minhaaj> programs start but it shuts down itself
[21:22] <_2> andyho623 but it's always a good idea to make backups.    nothing can replace redundancy.
[21:22] <minhaaj> any idea ?
[21:22] <engineer> well said
[21:22] <engineer> minhaaj vmware
[21:22] <theFATMAN> engineer: how do i drop the user?
[21:22] <minhaaj> why not wine ?
[21:23] <engineer> userdel fatgirl
[21:23] <engineer> minhaaj not stable enough
[21:23] <_2> or deluser    one is sh the other is perl ?
[21:23] <theFATMAN> engineer: whats your problem?
[21:23] <engineer> theFATMAN ?
[21:23] <theFATMAN> fatgirl?
[21:24] <theFATMAN> whats up with that
[21:24] <minhaaj> hmm
[21:24] <minhaaj> vmware hmm
[21:24] <engineer> i don't know the username you want to delete
[21:24] <minhaaj> gotta install it in vmware ?
[21:24] <engineer> minhaaj you gotta run windows in vmware
[21:24] <engineer> !vmware
[21:24] <minhaaj> yea i know
[21:24] <Nece228> when i open youtube in konqueror there is error message:
[21:25] <minhaaj> but why run whole window one i only need a program
[21:25] <minhaaj> it would take tooooooo much space
[21:25]  * _2 has windoze installed in a file that i run with qemu
[21:25] <_2> but it's not the best by any means.
[21:25] <engineer> minhaaj if wine doesn't do what you want, what other solutions do you have? wine doesn't run every windows program, i suppose you know this
[21:26] <engineer> space is cheap
[21:26] <engineer> so is ram
[21:26] <_2> upgrading is for ...    never mind.
[21:27] <_2> i was going to say something like   L   users
[21:27] <minhaaj> yep
[21:27] <_2> but that might offend someone
[21:27] <minhaaj> but how do i transfer files between windows in vmware and linux ?
[21:27] <ahmed> انا مبتدأ  اكو احد يعلمني
[21:28] <_2> minhaaj a common fs ?    flash drive maybe ?
[21:28] <engineer> ftp
[21:28] <minhaaj> VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel, e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic..
[21:28] <engineer> samba also works
[21:29] <_2> ssh/scp
[21:29] <ahmed> plzz help me to see the move from youtupe
[21:29] <engineer> what's youtupe?
[21:29] <_2> tube most likely
[21:29] <ahmed> www.youtube.com
[21:29] <engineer> sudo aptitude install flash-nonfree
[21:30] <NekosolTeraDyne> !flash
[21:30] <_2> !youtube
[21:30] <_2> thought there was a page on that...
[21:31] <andyho623> 2: quick question for ya.. when I re-installed I had wanted home on it's own partition so that I wouldn't have to worry about it again in case I had any other upgrade issues.. is that what's it's already done in a sense seeing as that I kinda have 2 homes now? one on sda6 and one on sda1?
[21:31] <_2> woops.  i don't think i want to do parallel backups.  box1 backed to box2 while box2 backed to box1    that might fill both boxen with garbage...
[21:32] <andyho623> I'm so looking forward to getting my nvidia card working again.. ;-)
[21:32] <engineer> andyho623 not really
[21:32] <engineer> or you didn't mount them correctly
[21:32] <_2> andyho623 yes.    your new home will be on sda1
[21:33] <djg9282> Can anyone help me load slmodemd...i already copied it to my /usr/sbin directory but i can't seem to get it to install so i can get my winmodem working...any suggestions?
[21:33] <_2> engineer he just edited the fstab,  not sure he has remounted the new home yet
[21:33] <engineer> ok, i'm not aware of his problem then
[21:33] <_ZeuZ_> For an x86_64 kernel, nVidia recomended drivers would be ia64 or amd64/emt64? processor is AMD Turionx2 just for the record...
[21:33] <engineer> amd64
[21:33] <andyho623> 2: nah my new home is on sda6.. that's where my main fs is at.. sda1 is the OLD stuff.. and fyi I'm a girl
[21:34] <andyho623> ;)
[21:34] <_ZeuZ_> _2 do you concur with engineer about the package I should choose as for installing the nVidia privative drivers for an x86_64 kernel?
[21:35] <_2> andyho623 that's a personal problem  nothing we can do about that.    :)    but if you added the line "/dev/sda1 /home auto defaults 0 0 "    to your fstab   then yes your home is on sda1  not sda6 where you now are.
[21:35] <engineer> djg9282 modprobe module_you_wnat
[21:35] <_2> _ZeuZ_ yep
[21:36] <ahmed> sudo aptitude install flash-nonfree and no see the move form youtube
[21:36] <djg9282> so i type into console modprobe slmodemd and that should install it?
[21:36] <engineer> ahmed restart firefox
[21:36] <andyho623> 2: cool deal.. that works for me.. off to edit fstab and get this thing back where it needs to be.. bbl
[21:36] <engineer> djg9282 i hope so
[21:36] <ahmed> ok
[21:36] <djg9282> engineer: do i have to be in the /usr/sbin directory? i assume so...i can't figure out how to get out of the home/djg9282 directory
[21:37] <_2> andyho623 do us both a favour first.    ls -l /media/disk    and pastebin the output
[21:37] <_2> andyho623 i want to make sure you are not disapointed when you remount it.   and come cursing me.
[21:38] <_2> !paste | andyho623
[21:38] <engineer> djg9282 /etc/modules
[21:38] <djg9282> engineer: sorry your talking to a newbie on linux...so you just lost me haha
[21:39] <ahmed> plzz help me to see youtube
[21:39] <ahmed> plzz help me to see youtube
[21:39] <djg9282> oh
[21:39] <djg9282> nevermind
[21:39] <djg9282> it just clicked haha
[21:40] <djg9282> i think
[21:40] <ahmed> sudo aptitude install flash-nonfree and no see the move form youtube
[21:41] <engineer> djg9282 put it inside that folder /etc/modules
[21:41] <engineer> and load the module then
[21:41] <djg9282> engineer: ok and then i can just run that command from the konsole and it will notice where it is?
[21:42] <djg9282> engineer: the instructions intially wanted me to copy it to the usr/sbin ad then i chmod +x the same file
[21:42] <djg9282> thats where i am stuck now
[21:42] <engineer> follow those instructions then
[21:43] <andyho623> LOL ok one sec
[21:43] <ahmed> ilding tag database... Done
[21:44] <djg9282> ok i'll have to continue this later...i'll be back if i can't figre this thing out
[21:45] <andyho623> 2: ok.. slight prob.. right now I'm sitting next to my K box and on the hubbys crap ms machine.. and I've got a ton of stuff showing up when I ls -l /media/disk. so is there something in particular I'm lookin for?
[21:45] <_2> one folder with your user name
[21:47] <damien__> Are there any 3D modelers for Kubuntu?
[21:47] <gkffjcs_2> Are there kde4.1 beta packages for kubuntu yet?
[21:47] <_2> andyho623 if there are folders like  bin/ sbin/ lib/ proc/   then you need to delete them all but not home/   then inside home/  there should be your user name folder  move it to /media/disk    not all this is within /media/disk   not in /
[21:48] <damien__> Are there any 3D modelers for Kubuntu?
[21:48] <_2> andyho623 which do you see ?    folders of user names   or folders of system names like sbin/ var/ and usr/  ?
[21:49] <andyho623> 2: ok I'm confused.. yes I've got all those listed, and my home is there; which is the old home..
[21:49] <_2> andyho623 reposting,  if there are folders like  bin/ sbin/ lib/ proc/   then you need to delete them all but not home/   then inside home/  there should be your user name folder  move it to /media/disk    not all this is within /media/disk   not in /
[21:50] <_2> s/not/note/   ^
[21:50] <andyho623> 2: so I don't think it really needs moved then?
[21:50] <andyho623> just the others need deleted?
[21:50] <dthacker> damien__: yes
 you might have a look at blender
[21:51] <engineer> damien__ blender
[21:51] <_2> andyho623 folder named /media/disk/home/$USER   needs to be moved to be   /media/disk/$USER    because when you remount the fs on /home/   what ever is in /media/disk/ now will be in /home then.
[21:52] <andyho623> 2: alrighty np thx!
[21:52] <_2> all your data "30g music"  should be in /media/disk/home/$USER before any moves        correct ?
[21:53] <damien__> Thank you all.
[21:53] <_2> andyho623    confirm ?
[21:53] <andyho623> 2: yep it's all there
[21:53] <_2> ok    sudo mv /media/disk/home/$USER /media/disk
[21:54] <_2> then for safety sake.    sudo chown $USER -R /media/disk/$USER
[21:54] <_2> and you are done.   you can reboot to make it affective.
[21:55] <andyho623> 2: cool thx! :)
[21:55] <_2> that assumes no errors   ^    of course.
[21:55] <andyho623> hahaha
[21:55] <andyho623> for real
[21:55] <_2> in linux "no error" means "no error"
[21:55] <fabrizio> ciao a tutti
[21:55] <_2> i.e.  if it didn't say anything,   that's good.
[21:56] <andyho623> 2: yeah one reason why I switched over to linux.. it actually listens
[21:56] <_2> indeed
[21:56] <_2> but the reason i jswitched was simple    EULA
[21:56] <_2> i read one.
[21:56] <andyho623> free is best
[21:56] <_2> s/j//
[21:57] <_2> basicly the M$ EULA said this "do you agree to give us all your rights privledges and property from this day forth and forever?"
[21:58] <_2> of course it's not in those exact words,  but in affect...
[21:58] <_2> so i said NO!
[21:58] <andyho623> 2: yeah I know.. it's crap.. M$ can eat it
[21:58] <andyho623> I'm hgoping to get my other 5 machines over to kubuntu
[21:59] <andyho623> I just use photoshop way too much and havent had time to mess with gimp
[21:59] <_2> make one of them ubuntu just to improve the learning curve  :)))
[21:59] <andyho623> 2: I started with mandriva, then moved to ubuntu
[21:59] <engineer> i like mandriva
[22:00] <engineer> but ubuntu has a better package management
[22:00] <engineer> and i feel more confortable with it than with rpm
[22:00] <andyho623> engineer: definitely!!
[22:00] <Walzmyn> I started off my Linux experience with Mandrake - but I like Debian world better
[22:00]  * _2 started with slackware 5  the non-release release.   then to rh8 mdk9 rh9 mdk10 ubuntu hoary...
[22:00] <engineer> andyho623 you live in uncle sam's land?
[22:01] <andyho623> engineer ya unfortunately.. sometimes I think about running away to another country
[22:01] <engineer> damn, i'm glad americans pulled up their sleves and elected obama
[22:01] <_2> actually after i figured out how urpmi worked in mdk   i'm not sure i don't still like it better than apt
[22:01] <andyho623> italy would be pretty sweet
[22:02] <engineer> i love australia
[22:02] <andyho623> some of my friends moved to new zealand, they love it
[22:02] <engineer> what state are you livin in
[22:02] <Walzmyn> Obama's not been elected yet
[22:02] <engineer> he's the democratic nominee
[22:03] <engineer> a big victory so far
[22:03] <andyho623> I just wanna live somewhere it doesn't snows.. reasons I'm now in Florida as opposed to OH or CO where I've also lived!
[22:03] <_2> i like america,   just not real fond of it's government for the last say 150 years.        but politics is banned on freenode.
[22:03] <AngryBacon> I'm trying to run lmms and keeep getting "QFile::readBlock: Null pointer error". Any ideas?
[22:03] <_2> that's server side policy  ^
[22:03] <engineer> i'm sure it doesn't rain in texas or arizona
[22:03] <Walzmyn> I've setup a couple of users other than my primary here - but when I try to log in with them it just jumps back to the login screen - any ideas?
[22:03] <damien__> Guys Blender froze, how do I close it?
[22:04] <benklop> who would i talk to about NetworkManager devel questions?
[22:04] <engineer> damien__ kill -9 blender_pid
[22:04] <andyho623> engineer: no thx on texas.. unless you're a bush! ;) and arizona just gets waaaaay too hot
[22:04] <ns8> hey
[22:04] <damien__> engineer: Thanks
[22:05] <ns8> kubuntu es
[22:05] <ns8> como entro
[22:05] <ns8> espanol
[22:05] <engineer> !es
[22:05] <ns8> spanish
[22:05] <_2> benklop ummm Jucato might be able to help with that
[22:05] <ns8> como llego
[22:05] <Walzmyn> damien__, ctrl+esc will get you the manager to kill running processes
[22:05] <engineer> andyho623 bush should be shot
[22:05] <Tonren> Hey guys, I updated to KDE 4.1 yesterday, and X stopped responding to keystrokes, except for Ctrl + Alt + F1, which I just used to switch to a terminal to get on IRC.  What can I do to try and diagnose this?
[22:05] <_2> benklop if not he could at least point you in the right dirrection.
[22:06] <Walzmyn> engineer, keep the politics out of it
[22:06] <_2> !ot | engineer & andyho623 sorry.
[22:07] <_2> and politics is still banned on all freenode channels.   it's server policy guys.   read the http://freenode.com
[22:07] <Walzmyn> Has anybody else had trouble logging in with non-primary user accounts?
[22:07] <engineer> nop
[22:07] <engineer> Walzmyn how did you create them?
[22:08] <_2> Walzmyn have any error messages ?
[22:08] <BenPA> has anyone ever used flashrom inside of kunbuntu ... if so how do you flash the bios?
[22:08] <engineer> _2 freenode,com doesn't exist
[22:08] <_2> .net  mybad.
[22:08] <_2> .net  my bad.
[22:08] <Walzmyn> _2 no error messages, just bounces back to the login screen
[22:08] <engineer> BenPA usually i flash bios through the bios itself
[22:08] <ahmed> sudo aptitude install flash-nonfree and no see the move form youtube
[22:08] <engineer> Walzmyn try creating them using the kusermanager
[22:08] <Walzmyn> engineer, system settings >> user management
[22:09] <Walzmyn> engineer, wouldn't that be the same thing?
[22:09] <BenPA> engineer how do you do that under linux?
[22:09] <engineer> i don't know
[22:09] <engineer> but trying won't do any harm
[22:09] <ahmed> kubuntu
[22:09] <engineer> BenPA i said i never flashed in linux
[22:09] <livingxsacrifice> anyone have trouble opening openoffice on ubuntu 8.04?
[22:09] <BenPA> ahhhh
[22:09] <engineer> but through the bios it self
[22:10] <BenPA> I am not that savvy
[22:10] <Walzmyn> livingxsacrifice, OOo works fine for me
[22:10] <engineer> OO works fine too
[22:10] <_2> Walzmyn  for q in /home/* ;do grep "$q" /etc/passwd ;done   # do all your users show up there ?
[22:10] <engineer> google documents as well ^^
[22:10] <andyho623> man kde4 is pretty sweet
[22:11] <livingxsacrifice> Walz Ill click on the icon and gui display opens but the actually program never comes up
[22:11] <_2> andyho623 but be advised it is still incomplete.
[22:11] <livingxsacrifice> it used to work
[22:11] <BenPA> engineer: I am using a program called flashrom but I don't know how to get it to "flash" but it reconizes that something needs flashed
[22:11] <Walzmyn> _2 not sure I followed that
[22:12] <_2> Walzmyn it's a konsole shell command to test the paths for the users.   "for q in /home/* ;do grep "$q" /etc/passwd ;done "
[22:12] <Walzmyn> BenPA, where'd you get the app? I suggest looking there.
[22:12] <engineer> under system
[22:12] <BenPA> engineer installed it using apt-get
[22:13] <livingxsacrifice> when i click the icon the window that says open office and it looks like it is loading but office never opens
[22:13] <_2> Walzmyn all default login users will be listed there,    if you set some other path for the user's home  then it wont show there.    that's what we are checking for,   does the user have a home to live in.
[22:13] <engineer> BenPA look in the app manual
[22:13] <BenPA> I did
[22:13] <engineer> ive' no idea what app is and i'm sure i've never used it
[22:13] <Walzmyn> _2 ok, I missed where your command began - all users showed up
[22:14] <engineer> begins in "
[22:14] <_2> Walzmyn ok you can do;   ls -l /home     # to make sure that each user owns their own home.
[22:14] <_2> Walzmyn that will eliminate it being an owhership issue.
[22:14] <SpeS> hi
[22:15] <engineer> Walzmyn try checking if every user has writing permissions inside each home folder
[22:15] <_2> engineer ^
[22:15] <drurew> guys how can i open a bin file to view its contents
[22:15] <engineer> 7say ./bin_file
[22:15] <engineer> ./bin_file
[22:15] <SpeS> I've upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04, and, appart of other issues more or less fixed, now if I enable the nvidia binary drivers, I can't start the X server... is that a known bug or something?
[22:16] <drurew> The file media:/sdb1/Desktop%20Radio.widget is a binary
[22:16] <engineer> SpeS i don't think so
[22:16] <Walzmyn> _2 ok, when i did the /home check, what are the blue names at the end of each line?
[22:16] <_2> drurew open ?    in an editor ?
[22:16] <drurew> bin / binary ?
[22:16] <drurew> yeah
[22:16] <SpeS> the new Kubuntu 8.04 should work with a nvidia 8600 right?
[22:16] <engineer> of cours
[22:16] <_2> Walzmyn the users home dirrectory.   check the ownership of each.   it's listed as the users name also
[22:17] <SpeS> I still have the 2.6.22-14 kernel, is that the right kernel of the 8.04?
[22:17] <SpeS> may be that the problem?
[22:17] <_2> Walzmyn example " drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 Dec  7  1941 linux-source-2.6.15 "  <<< root owns that,  and the root group has access to it.
[22:17] <engineer> SpeS nop
[22:17] <Walzmyn> _2 well, on each line it's got one user at the begining of the line and a different user in blue at the end of the line - except for the user that's working (this one)
[22:17] <engineer> 2.6.24-18
[22:17] <_2> Walzmyn there's your problem.   ownership.
[22:18] <SpeS> mmm... but apt doesn't say I have to upgrade the kernel (?)
[22:18] <SpeS> I've done an apt-get update, and apt.-get dist-upgrade few times...
[22:18] <drurew> engineer: sorry man i didnt quite get that command .....7say ./bin_file ?
[22:18] <engineer> marine@bodyguard:~$ uname -a
[22:18] <engineer> Linux bodyguard 2.6.24-18-generic #1 SMP Wed May 28 19:28:38 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:18] <SpeS> everything is updated
[22:18] <Walzmyn> _2 drwxr-xr-x 2 USER1 USER1 4096 2008-04-16 20:22 USER2
[22:18] <engineer> drurew the one just below
[22:18] <SpeS> how can I force the new kernel?
[22:19] <Walzmyn> _2 with USER2 in  blue
[22:19] <SpeS> oh yes, I remember now, I told grub not to replace my mennu.lst
[22:19] <SpeS> so the kernel must be installed...
[22:19] <_2> Walzmyn try this.  >>>   sudo for q in /home/* ;do chown $(basename "$q") -R "$q" ;done   <<<
[22:19] <Walzmyn> _2 considering that I've never done anything with these accounts, would the easy thing be to delete the users and their /home and remake them?
[22:20] <SpeS> can anyone please pase the line of menu.lst to load the new kernel?
[22:20] <_2> the easy thing would be run my command and try logging in to one of them again.
[22:20] <engineer> SpeS if the kernel doesn't exist in your /boot you can't force loading it
[22:20] <_2> @ Walzmyn
[22:21] <Walzmyn> _2 unexpected token 'do' << when I used yer command
[22:21] <SpeS> engineer, it is there
[22:21] <SpeS> only that mu grub menu.lst is not updated
[22:21] <SpeS> so I'm loading the old kernel of the 7.10
[22:22] <_2> Walzmyn ok sudo -i   then in that shell run it without the sudo part.   i.e.  for q in /home/* ;do chown $(basename "$q") -R "$q" ;done
[22:22] <_2> the command seperator ; hosed the sudo string and i don't want to go into how and why () does what it does.
[22:22] <engineer> SpeS http://rifers.org/paste/show/7449
[22:23] <Walzmyn> _2 ok, appears to have been successful - what did we just do?
[22:23] <SpeS> engineer, thanks, I'll adapt that to mine :)
[22:23] <_2> each /home/dir is now owned by dir
[22:24] <SpeS> I hope that's the problem with nvidia bin driver...
[22:24] <_2> Walzmyn you can      ls -l  /home     # and see what it did.
[22:24] <drurew> ummm im talking about opening a binary file to list and or edit its contents....im attemtping to build a desktop widget that interacts with an swf stream ....i have a sample i will be either editing or re writing ....i need this sample to be able to understand correctly how this application functions
[22:24] <Walzmyn> _2 i did - i was trying to figure out HOW we did it
[22:24] <_2> Walzmyn heh.  just check if you can login now.  :)))
[22:24] <Tonren> Can anyone help me with this keyboard issue...?
[22:24] <engineer> it's a small shell script for loop
[22:24] <Walzmyn> _2 what does the 'q' in that line do?
[22:25] <engineer> that for every user changes permissions
[22:25] <_2> Walzmyn the q is the variable i chose to use.
[22:25] <drurew> Tonren: suer whats the issue
[22:25] <drurew> *sure
[22:25] <_2> could have been;   for var in /home/* ;do blah with $var ;done
[22:25] <Walzmyn> _2 oh, it's a variable - I'm not used to shell scripting - php variables have a '$' in front
[22:26] <Tonren> drurew: I just upgraded to Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.1, and my keyboard suddenly stopped responding in X.  I can still Ctrl + Alt + F1 to get to a terminal, but it seems that no other keys work.
[22:26] <Tonren> The mouse still works fine.
[22:26] <_2> Walzmyn no it has the $ when you want to expand it.
[22:26] <engineer> Tonren do you have the keyboard driver in xorg?
[22:26] <drurew> Tonren : hmmm well how do the settings look in system prefs
[22:26] <Tonren> engineer: drurew: The keyboard has worked previously with KDE 4.1.  It spontaneously stopped working, though
[22:27] <_2> but the for loop has to be told what var to use.   for <var_name> in something ;do something with $var_name
[22:27] <Walzmyn> _2 I see - i'm just ignorant of shell scripting. Ok, gonna logout and in with the other user
[22:27] <The_Pikos> hi!
[22:27] <drurew> Tonren: what are you using now
[22:27] <Walzmyn> _2 thank you
[22:27] <SpeS> let's reboot :S
[22:27] <_2> Walzmyn welcome
[22:27] <SpeS> thanks :)
[22:27] <SpeS> bye
[22:28] <Tonren> drurew: I SSH'd into my laptop to take over the screen session that has my IRC in it.  :-)
[22:28] <drurew> nice Tonren
[22:28] <slow-motion> hi
[22:28] <_2> andyho623 did you ever reboot that pinguin to see if all is well ?     (not that a reboot is needed, just that it's a simple way to get there)
[22:28] <The_Pikos> I've a huge pb... my screen is stuck in 640X480...
[22:28] <drurew> Tonren: have you recently reconfigured xorg?
[22:29] <The_Pikos> someone know how to fix it please?
[22:29] <Tonren> drurew: Nope--I haven't touched it.
[22:29] <_2> The_Pikos reconfigure the xserver
[22:29] <Tonren> drurew: I wonder why Ctrl + Alt + F1 still works.
[22:29] <engineer> The_Pikos sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:29] <_2> !xorg
[22:29] <Tonren> drurew: I can't seem to find anything in my dmesg or syslog, either.
[22:30] <drurew> Tonren: as far as i know ...you had to have done something to get the system to behave erraticly ...what did you do last before the system just shut off the keyboard
[22:30] <The_Pikos> thxs i'll try
[22:30] <drurew> Tonren: its possible that the configuration files dont post to there
[22:30] <drurew> *there
[22:30] <drurew> "there"
[22:30] <drurew> :D
[22:30] <Tonren> drurew: I was installing Ruby... that's it.
[22:30] <_2> The_Pikos if you fail, come on back,   someone will help ya.
[22:31] <drurew> ruby hmmm lemme see
[22:31] <dale>  I had to make a modification to the source (bcm43xx_main.c - bcm43xx.ko), when the source has completed building which package will install the file?
[22:31] <drurew> ruby language?
[22:31] <drurew> Tonren
[22:31] <_2> too much like perl
[22:31] <dale> also, instead of building the entire source is there a way to just build the module in question?
[22:31] <engineer> java ftw
[22:31] <Tonren> drurew: Oh, and I was running a wine app
[22:32] <_2> i'll stick to shell thanks
[22:32] <Tonren> drurew: Yeah, I was building Ruby 1.8 from source
[22:32] <engineer> oh god...
[22:32] <drurew> Tonren yeah
[22:32] <drurew> ummm let me find a fix
[22:33] <_2> engineer i wrote a bash script,  want to see it?    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d40723dc7
[22:33] <engineer> script for?
[22:34] <engineer> seems big
[22:34] <_2> ummm well it is about 35 or 40 commands.
[22:34] <_2> lol
[22:34] <TSloth> I need help with setting up Xorg in Kubuntu  8.04
[22:35] <_2> engineer here's one you might like better,  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3344a299
[22:35] <_2> :)
[22:35] <engineer> i didn't say i didn't like it
[22:35] <engineer> though i like to break things down into parts
[22:35] <engineer> TSloth that's not helpful
[22:35] <engineer> what's your problem
[22:36] <engineer> _2 now that's more clear
[22:36] <drurew> Tonren: yeah it may ha conflicted an installed lib
[22:36] <Tonren> drurew: RUBY?  really?  i'll be damned
[22:36] <_2> thought you'd like that
[22:36] <drurew> well i found some that are available debs
[22:37] <The_Pikos> it works! just perfect! thanks!
[22:37] <drurew> i also found that a certain lib is missing to run ruby
[22:37] <Tonren> drurew: I'm not sure what you mean.
[22:37] <Tonren> I didn't install from the debs... I built from source
[22:37] <TSloth> I just installed Kubuntu 8.04 and the Xorg.conf file looks unconfigured.  No resolution settings, no server type (like ati), etc.
[22:37] <TSloth> is there a way to go through the Xorg configuration script again?
[22:37] <Tonren> TSloth: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:37] <drurew> Tonren: yeah that may also be it ....if theres a dependancy missing ....and it needs it to function ....and so on
[22:38] <ninix> hi, how can i turn off the composite manager ? (for having no desktop effects)
[22:38] <drurew> Tonren http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/19/installing-ruby-on-gnulinuxgentoo-kubuntu-fedora-suse-and-ms-windows/
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> !java
[22:38] <level1_> hi, I just used nvidia-settings to enable xinerama... it re-wrote my desktop file so that I can't use compositing: The reason is because XDamage and XComposite are not enabled... What do I need to re-add to my Xorg file to re-enable them?
[22:38] <drurew> TSloth be really careful witht hat command
[22:38] <Tonren> drurew: Ruby installed successfully... it's my keyboard that isn't working.
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> !java64
[22:38] <Walzmyn> _2 all worked well.
[22:38] <_2> TSloth up until hardy    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow  # would let you choose all settings.
[22:38] <drurew> Tonren : how bout restarting x?
[22:38] <_2> Walzmyn good to hear.   welcome.
[22:39] <Tonren> drurew: worth a shot
[22:39] <Tonren> interesting... i can't right-click either
[22:39] <_2> Walzmyn out of curiocity,   did you reinstall with old users in the home fs or something ?
[22:39] <drurew> Tonren ctrl alt bkspc
[22:40] <Tonren> drurew: I know--I was just trying to quit some stuff beforehand
[22:40] <Walzmyn> _2 no, this is a clean resurection from the depths of hell knowns as vista
[22:40] <drurew> or sudo reboot now :D
[22:40] <Walzmyn> _2 I was creating an account for my wife
[22:40] <Tonren> drurew: Well, whatever it was, that fixed it.
[22:41] <drurew> yeah probly was just X
[22:41] <TSloth> I tried the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command and it gave me another Xorg.conf which was identical, and had not specific information in it.  I will try it with -plow
[22:41] <_2> Walzmyn hmmm then you might consider filling a bug on the user manager module.   let the developers know that something went south on you.
[22:41] <Walzmyn> Out of curiosity, what is /home/lost+found used for?
[22:41] <Tonren> TSloth: Is your X actually not performing properly?
[22:41] <drurew> now can someone tell me how to ......open a binary file to edit its contents?
[22:41] <drurew> (dru hushes down)
[22:42] <Walzmyn> _2 heh, my next question for you was what did I need to do different next time to prevent this.
[22:43] <engineer> Walzmyn for programs without any specific task
[22:43] <_2> Walzmyn any place you find a "lost+found" folder it is the base of a file system  and is used by such things as e2fsck  when they find stray inodes and don't know what else to do with them.    i.e. lost files or dirs.     there is one in   /   and any other dir that has a seperate fs mounted there.
[22:43] <_2> Walzmyn simple.   use the cli to add users.      sudo adduser username_here
[22:43] <TSloth> Tonren, X is working but only at 800x600.  I can lower to 640x480 but I want 1024x768
[22:43] <engineer> oops thats lost+found in startup menu, not /home, my bad
[22:44] <TSloth> I did the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow and it gave me another identical Xorg.conf with no specific information in it.
[22:44] <_2> engineer in grub ?
[22:44] <Walzmyn> _2 cli?
[22:44] <_2> engineer in grub ?
[22:44] <engineer> no, in startup menu
[22:44] <engineer> it used to have lost and found
[22:44] <_2> hmmm
[22:44] <Walzmyn> _2 ok, since I've got /home on it's own partition is why there's a lost+found there?
[22:45] <_2> !cli | Walzmyn
[22:45] <engineer> for programs the system couldn't include inside the other folders
[22:45] <_2> engineer in what de ?
[22:45] <_2> Walzmyn correct.
[22:45] <engineer> de?
[22:45] <engineer> kde
[22:45] <_2> desktop environment
[22:46] <_2> odd i don't recall ever seeing a lost+found in kmenu.   but i'm not a gui kinda guy
[22:46] <_2> oh it's hiden by default.   i see.
[22:46] <_2> ok makes sense now.
[22:47] <Walzmyn> CLI -- I hate TLAs
[22:47]  * _2 head desks    and says "duh"
[22:47] <_2> Walzmyn ok i'll turn the tables on you.  what a tla  :)
[22:48] <Walzmyn> _2 Three letter acronym
[22:48] <_2> like gui cli kde
[22:48] <Walzmyn> _2 if you'd said konsole or xterm i'da been with you :)
[22:48] <shane_> does anyone have an idea on how to hook up dual monitors im running kubuntu 8.04 and a ATI RADEONX1600 pro 256
[22:48] <Walzmyn> _2 thanks, gotta take the dog out
[22:49] <_2> Walzmyn but i dont use a terminal emulator for my cli,  i use a real console.
[22:51] <_2> if i had said "console" you might have done like those people over in that other channel </points at #ubuntu> and misnamed a terminal emulator.     ;/
[22:53] <Walzmyn> _2 no, i'd followed you with "console" too :) but that's the second time i've been caught but CLI in here, maybe I'll remember it one of these days
[22:53] <_2> Walzmyn k.
[22:54] <_2> kde is a tla btw lol
[22:54] <_2> yeah i don't usually do that either.  but cli is a favorite of mine.
[22:54]  * Walzmyn laughs
[22:55] <Walzmyn> well, now, technically is KDE? I know there's arguments about what it stands for or if it stands for anything
[22:55] <_2> wine is a recursive acronym
[22:56] <Walzmyn> so is gnu
[22:56] <_2> yes  kde = the k desktop enviornment
[22:56] <_2> yes
[22:56] <deitarion> How do I blacklist certain resolutions? My mother's new laptop displays the login screen at the proper 1280x800 resolution but then something in KDE switches it to 800x600 when you log in. `xrandr -s 0` changes it back, but that's a poor substitute.
[22:56] <_2> gnu is gnu is not unix
[22:56] <Walzmyn> emm, ok, i'll buy that. I don't like kool desktop environment
[22:56] <_2> wine is wine is not an emulator
[22:56]  * Walzmyn nods
[22:57] <Walzmyn> deitarion, kde is switching it when you login ?
[22:57] <deitarion> Walzmyn: Yes.
[22:57] <mjponce> W(ine) I(s) N(ot) an E(mulator)
[22:57] <Walzmyn> deitarion, hvae you tried setting the res you want in system settings?
[22:58] <deitarion> Walzmyn: It only offers 640x480 and 800x600.
[22:58] <Walzmyn> hmm
[22:58] <mjponce> W (ine) I (s) N (ot) an E (mulator)
[22:58] <deitarion> I tried adding a Modes line xorg.conf with just 1280x800, but it seems to be getting ignored. (Which, to me, is the bigger problem)
[22:58] <shane_> ubottu: how can i run dual monitors
[22:59] <_2> while you work on that,  how do i get my lappy to boot with something besides text mode 80x25  or bsob
[22:59] <_2> ?
[22:59] <Walzmyn> deitarion, i've never got anything on those modelines to work. I think they're just there to fool us
[22:59] <Walzmyn> !dual monitor | shane_
[22:59] <deitarion> Walzmyn: Works on my brother's Kubuntu setup and probably would too on my Gentoo one were I not using TwinView's MetaModes line.
[23:00] <_2> i tried vga=(771,778,781,783,784,785,788,789,791,792,793) all yeld bsob
[23:00] <Walzmyn> deitarion, well, I believe it's beyond me. Sorry.
[23:01] <_2> anyone ?
[23:02] <Walzmyn> shane_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[23:03]  * _2 notes that this is the way his questions usually get answered...     (but not always)
[23:03] <Walzmyn> _2 what was the question?
[23:03] <_2> it's still on the page ^
[23:04] <_2>  how do i get my lappy to boot with something besides text mode 80x25  or bsob ?
[23:04] <_2> i tried vga=(771,778,781,783,784,785,788,789,791,792,793) all yeld bsob
[23:04] <Walzmyn> oh, t'was hidden in some system messages
[23:04] <Walzmyn> what kinda laptop?
[23:04] <_2> sarE one.    tosheba
[23:04] <Walzmyn> I mean, old hardware or new stuff?
[23:04] <_2> ati chips
[23:05] <_2> new by my standards   old by yours
[23:05] <_2> two years.
[23:05] <Walzmyn> hehe, well, this one is about a month old
[23:05] <Walzmyn> but the desktop i graduated from is, err, well, 10 years from origional build and about 4 from last update
[23:05] <_2> shipped with vesta on it.    "poor thing"
[23:05] <Walzmyn> yeah, so did this one
[23:06] <shane_> Walzmyn: yes its and ati radeon 1600 pro 256 and i wish to run dual monitors not a clone
[23:06] <Walzmyn> i've no idea how to fix that. mine just worked
[23:06] <Walzmyn> shane_ did you look at that webpage?
[23:06] <_2> !worksforme | _2
[23:07] <shane_> ill scroll back and find it i was searchin myself and missed it
[23:07] <Walzmyn> right, I'm in the same boat with shane_ - I plugged in the second monitor and it just came up
[23:07] <Walzmyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[23:07] <Walzmyn> t'was still on the clipboard
[23:07] <_2> @ shane_                            ^
[23:08] <Walzmyn> aight, i'ma go do something constructive before the Bellmont stakes runs
[23:08] <Walzmyn> ya'l have fun
[23:08] <_2> Walzmyn even in calm weather, highlighting helps.
[23:08] <Walzmyn> _2 good point
[23:08] <_2> k.  enjoy.
[23:12] <shane_> ok i read a bit of this site and it gives derections ok if your confterble with linux im a newbie so im not sure hot to get what there askin
[23:13] <shane_> there saying in the X config file where do i find this
[23:13] <shane_> terminal or in the harddrive
[23:14] <andrew__> I'm trying to install gnome-desktop-enviornment in Kubuntu Hardy, however it's failing on a gnome-keyring-manager dependency
[23:14] <andrew__> When I check the packages, the keyring manager doesn't exist
[23:30] <dale> can someone tell me how I can find out if bcm43xx is loaded?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> Ive just installed my nvidia drivers and am pulling 1800 fps with glx gears
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> how can i get a higher res than 640x480 despite changing my xorg.conf to only have 1024x768 as its only resolution
[23:31] <dale> know one knows how to find out if bcm43xx.ko is loaded?
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> dale: sudo modprobe <whatever>
[23:32] <Pici> dale: lsmod perhaps?
[23:32] <dale> it says nothing when I issue it
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> dale: then its in
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> dale: no output == success
[23:33] <dale> bcm43xx: WARNING: Invalid SPROM checksum (0xA0, expected: 0xFF)
[23:36] <jmichaelx> is there a basic command that will list all computers connected to a network... wired or wireless?
[23:38] <engineer> check your arp list
[23:38] <shane_> Odd-rationale: hey you on today
[23:43] <MachinTrucChose> hi
[23:44] <engineer> hi canadian
[23:44] <MachinTrucChose> ALT+TAB is supposed to cycle through open windows, right?
[23:44] <engineer> minimized windows also
[23:44] <heinkel_111> on a   intel core 2 duo t5550 processor, can I use the same AMD64 kubuntu version?
[23:44] <engineer> heinkel_111 yes
[23:45] <engineer> and you should
[23:45] <MachinTrucChose> well, it's not working. I must have done something, but I don't know what. I disabled Compiz (which has its own desktop shortcuts), and restored all Keyboard Shortcuts to defaults, and ALT+TAB does nothing.
[23:45] <heinkel_111> as i do on my amd64X2 desktop
[23:45] <heinkel_111> .. engineer: why should?
[23:45] <engineer> to gain access to 4gb of ram
[23:45] <engineer> and double the bus bandwidth
[23:46] <heinkel_111> ah yes..ram is not a big issue as my new laptop only has 2 Gigabytes not 4
[23:46] <engineer> so far...
[23:46] <MachinTrucChose> I see it in Keyboard Shortcuts, ALT+TAB is supposed to do "Walk through Windows", but it doesn't. Neither does "Walk through Windows (Reverse)". And yet the other keyboard shortcuts (eg, CTRL+ESC) work.
[23:46] <engineer> MachinTrucChose and with compiz?
[23:46] <simbassampa> olá
[23:47] <simbassampa> Or Hello :)
[23:47] <heinkel_111> but the other stuff is ok, actually bandwidth is my biggest concern as downloading a new version of the kubuntu dvd takes forev er and a day
[23:47] <MachinTrucChose> engineer: It doesn't work with Compiz either.
[23:47] <engineer> MachinTrucChose windows_key+tab
[23:47] <engineer> try taht
[23:47] <MachinTrucChose> nothing
[23:48] <engineer> heinkel_111 request the free cds
[23:48] <MachinTrucChose> ctrl+tab changes between open tabs...
[23:48] <Pici> !shipit
[23:48] <heinkel_111> engineer: not necessary, if I can use the one I already have ;-)
[23:49] <engineer> MachinTrucChose try reinstalling kwin
[23:49] <MachinTrucChose> how would I do that?
[23:50] <engineer> sudo aptitude install --reinstall kwin
[23:50] <engineer> or kwin4 if you use kde4
[23:50] <MachinTrucChose> ok, I'll try that. Thanks.
[23:51] <MachinTrucChose> Is it risky? Cause I could also just use Compiz's own shortcuts to switch between apps...
[23:51] <MachinTrucChose> I know one of its plugins does it
[23:51] <engineer> you'll be fine
[23:52] <MachinTrucChose> ok
[23:52] <engineer> i use compiz myself as well
[23:54] <MachinTrucChose> do I need to do it from the console? Or can I open a terminal right now (while X is running) and run the reinstaller?
[23:54] <MachinTrucChose> I meant, do I need to reboot and do it before X runs
[23:55] <engineer> MachinTrucChose in any konsole
[23:56] <engineer> then logout and login
[23:57] <MachinTrucChose> ok
[23:58] <engineer> ´check if you have this package installed
[23:58] <MachinTrucChose> be back later, hopefully ;)
[23:58] <MachinTrucChose> oh?
[23:58] <engineer> xserver-xorg-input-kbd
[23:59] <MachinTrucChose> yep, it is. OK, restarting X.
[23:59] <l3x> which is best driver for intel i915 graphic card? my system uses i810 by default. should i change it?
[23:59] <l3x> which is best driver for intel i915 graphic card? my system uses i810 by default. should i change it?
[23:59] <l3x> sorry for double post:(