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[01:04] <slangasek> cody-somerville: I see bug #220899 has been milestoned for 8.04.1; is someone working on this bug?
[01:07] <cody-somerville> Not particularly at the moment.
[01:12] <slangasek> cody-somerville: ok; I'm targeting it to hardy then, but dropping the milestone
[03:09] <cody-somerville> Can using the power adapter for another laptop with the same volts and amp out damage my laptop?
[03:13] <RAOF> cody-somerville:
[03:14] <RAOF> cody-somerville: My thinking would be no.  And you only really need to care about the voltage (the ampage will take care of itself).
[03:14] <RAOF> cody-somerville: But IANAEE
[03:15] <cody-somerville> well, this used, apparently "almost never used" laptop has its battery in ubuntu reporting at 31% capacity.
[03:17]  * cody-somerville is wondering if he caused it
[03:17] <RAOF> Probably not
[03:18] <pwnguin> laptop batteries go over time
[03:19] <pwnguin> but i'd be careful about using adaptors across laptops
[03:19] <pwnguin> if the wiring's backwards, dun dun dun
[03:30] <danshearer> hello all
[03:30] <danshearer> I'd like to know more about the server team in launchpad
[03:31] <danshearer> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packages and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+projects don't have anything listed
[03:31] <danshearer> specifically, when I go to bugs.launchpad and want to report a server-specific bug, I 'Select one project' and then
[03:32] <danshearer> look through every project for ubuntu-server or similar. There's nothing there. So what's the recommended way to do this?
[03:41] <wgrant> danshearer: File it against Ubuntu, like any other Ubuntu bug,.
[03:45] <JohnPhys> my apologies if this is better asked in #ubuntu, but part of the question is ubuntu development related.  Is there any way to use the kernel ntfs (read only) driver to mount ntfs partitions, without using ntfs-3g/fuse?  I ask because I would like to do so to rescue ntfs partitions that ntfs-3g cannot mount, but both /sbin/mount.ntfs and /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g point to /bin/ntfs-3g, and I cannot seem to find a command that
[06:22] <pwnguin> a philosophical question: if you use a program to suggest ways to fill out a block of code, and it gets its ideas by reading tons of GPL'd code, is the code you wind up writing derivative of GPL?
[06:22] <Mart> for some reason when i create a dynamic tunnel and then change firefox's socks config accordingly i can visit "what's my ip" sites and see expected result, but when i create a local tunnel (like: ssh -L 1080:myip.dk:80 me@server.com) I get unexpected results (usually error pages or blank pages) when i try to brows to localhost:1080
[06:36] <lifeless> pwnguin: no
[06:39] <pwnguin> lifeless: what if, say, you're after a sequence of steps to go from one object type to another, and google code search for results. would lifting any one result be derivative?
[06:39] <lifeless> uhm
[06:39] <lifeless> so this is basic copyright law right?
[06:40] <lifeless> anything less than ~ a paragraph is usually not copyrightable anyway. call it 4-5 lines
[06:40] <pwnguin> really
[06:40] <pwnguin> so small patches have no copyright?
[06:41] <lifeless> IANAL etc etc
[06:41] <lifeless> they are derived works, but below a certain point its very hard to claim (c) on them, yes
[06:41] <lifeless> like
[06:41] <lifeless> "I am superhuman" (c) Robert etc
[06:42] <lifeless> not copyrightable go away :)
[06:43] <pwnguin> alright; if intepreted that a single liberation of code is fine, i wonder if you use such a tool repeatedly, whether you might cross the line
[06:44] <lifeless> I would expect so
[06:44] <lifeless> so
[06:44] <lifeless> liberating a single line from a copyrighted work is different
[06:44] <lifeless> because the whole work is copyright
[06:44] <lifeless> its fair use that allows you to do that
[06:45] <lifeless> rather than the content not being copyrightable
[06:45] <pwnguin> its just a bit interesting because i just watched a google tech talk where a guy proposes a tool that basically does all this
[06:45] <lifeless> and to add confusion, a patch has a dual, which is the entire derived work
[06:45] <lifeless> say I have a 1000 line program
[06:45] <lifeless> and you add 2 lines
[06:45] <lifeless> you now have a 1002 line program
[06:46] <lifeless> thats copyrightable
[06:46] <pwnguin> im a bit curious whether lifting large blocks of code (smaller than a file, smaller than a function even) without caring about the origin is a good idea
[06:46] <lifeless> but a patch describing just your work isn't. seriously confusing :P
[06:46] <pwnguin> the speaker didnt say a word about copyright or license
[06:46] <lifeless> bad idea
[06:47] <lifeless> you might liberate bad code :P
[06:47] <pwnguin> and nobody asked, so either it's obviously not a problem or obviously nobody cares =/
[06:48] <pwnguin> their idea is really to poll lots of open source projects for use of APIs and let it do stuff like suggest exception handling or tranforming object types to meet api requirements etc
[06:49] <pwnguin> many of which probably aren't GPL'd, some of which are probably poorly licensed period
[06:49] <pwnguin> but its not too hard to imagine a distant future where larger portions of programs are written by agents trained on GPL'd software
[06:51] <pwnguin> and suddenly I'm glad I'm mortal, because I'd hate to see the day where a copyright case comes down to whether or not a program intelligently synthesized ideas as an expert, or stole existing practice
[06:52] <pwnguin> back to something productive, like tablet keys and xev
[06:52] <pwnguin> the title of the talk though was data mining open source; quite strange that he never mentioned open source at all
[10:15] <Hobbsee> woot.  <3 listadmin with filters
[10:23] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Hm, I've not used filters with it before. How does one do that?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> wgrant: they're documented on the manpage.
[10:23] <wgrant> Ah, that would make sense.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> oddly, yes.
[10:29] <emgent> morning :)ù
[13:42] <sistpoty> lamont: could you take a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/34821 please? the build-depends-indep thingy is really puzzling me
[21:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> please someone take a deeper look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/152187
[21:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there is an user (Tom) who provided lots of patches for toshiba and looks like nobody is taking care of his work
[21:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> someone of the bug squad might perhaps try to convince developers to take a look
[21:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks a lot and bye
[21:24] <emgent> heya