=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 07 Jun 21:00 UTC: Marketing Team | 09 Jun 10:30 UTC: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam | 10 Jun 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 10 Jun 15:00 UTC: Server Team | 11 Jun 06:00 UTC: Platform Team | 11 Jun 17:00 UTC: QA Team === asac_ is now known as asac === Moot2 is now known as MootBot === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === profoX` is now known as Gunirus === Gunirus is now known as profoX === profoX is now known as profoX` [19:19] @now [19:19] owh: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 07 2008, 18:20:07 - Next meeting: Marketing Team in 2 hours 39 minutes === rockstar_ is now known as rockstar [21:14] @now [21:14] owh: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 07 2008, 20:14:45 - Next meeting: Marketing Team in 45 minutes [21:15] 44 minutes [21:16] 43 minutes ... [21:16] @now [21:16] Pretto: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 07 2008, 20:17:22 - Next meeting: Marketing Team in 42 minutes [21:18] nixternal, monday i will put the source for the card in GPL and i will send you [21:19] @schedule amsterdam [21:19] leoquant: Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 07 Jun 23:00: Marketing Team | 09 Jun 12:30: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam | 10 Jun 13:00: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 10 Jun 17:00: Server Team | 11 Jun 08:00: Platform Team | 11 Jun 19:00: QA Team === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Marketing Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Jun 10:30 UTC: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam | 10 Jun 11:00 UTC: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 10 Jun 15:00 UTC: Server Team | 11 Jun 06:00 UTC: Platform Team | 11 Jun 17:00 UTC: QA Team [21:50] Hi is anything going on here? [21:50] @schedule [21:50] owh: Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Marketing Team | 09 Jun 10:30: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam | 10 Jun 11:00: Asia and Oceania Ubuntu Membership Approval Board | 10 Jun 15:00: Server Team | 11 Jun 06:00: Platform Team | 11 Jun 17:00: QA Team [21:51] @now [21:51] owh: Current time in Etc/UTC: June 07 2008, 20:51:46 - Current meeting: Marketing Team [21:51] imeeting starts in a few minutes [21:51] candtalan: Well, in 8 minutes from now anyway :) [21:54] I'm new to all this so I figured I'd get here early in case of probs :-) [21:54] John_B: That is a good policy. I wondered if I'd wake up with an Internet connection :) [21:55] John_B: My satellite provider is upgrading firmware on the network :-| [21:56] why did your comment show up in a different color, can't read it [21:56] Hmm. Let me look at that. [21:57] that one was fine maybe I need to play with the settings??? [21:57] John_B: How is this comment? [21:57] And what about the second one? [21:57] the lastt 2 were fine [21:57] All good then :) [21:58] let's hope so LOL [21:59] with my screqy vision I have enuf probs as it is. let's not complicate things LOL [21:59] that helpes === sbc_ is now known as sbc [22:00] So, are people around for our ubuntu-marketing meeting? [22:00] +1 [22:00] yep [22:01] what is CTCP VERSION?????? [22:01] +1 [22:01] o/ [22:01] yep [22:01] #startmeeting [22:01] Meeting started at 16:03. The chair is owh. [22:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [22:01] Welcome to the Ubuntu-Marketing Team meeting. [22:01] [LINK] The agenda for today's meeting is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Agenda [22:01] LINK received: The agenda for today's meeting is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Agenda [22:01] Given that agenda, we have our work cut out for us. There are two hours set aside for this meeting. [22:01] Lets start with introductions, as we're all probably wondering who does what and why? [22:01] [TOPIC] Introductions and Role Call [22:01] I'm Onno Benschop. I'm a self-employed developer and troubleshooter. I'm a member of the ubuntu-server team and came to ubuntu-marketing because our team needed marketing resources for a survey we're about to launch. I volunteered to chair this meeting. [22:01] Note to self: Waking up at 2am to prepare for a meeting at 5am is bad timing or poor volunteering :-) [22:01] New Topic: Introductions and Role Call [22:02] Introduce yourselves... [22:02] alphabetical order? [22:02] hi I am in uk and am active at local computer fairs and exhibitions near me [22:02] Hi everyone. I'm Søren, student and teacher from Copenhagen. I'm involved in the Dansih Team, and only joined the marketing mailing list a few days ago. [22:03] hubuntu: Just send it down the line :) [22:03] John Botscharow from USA former marketing consultant online, now writer and blogger [22:03] Simon here. Civil engineer and MBA student. [22:04] Neal Bussett, LoCo leader for Ubuntu California [22:04] * johnc4510 is John, ubuntu arizona team leader, uwn co-editor, fridge editor, ubuntu member [22:05] 5 [22:05] 4 [22:05] 3 [22:05] 2 [22:05] Pierre, student and member of ubuntu-be... probably just listening/reading :) [22:05] 1 [22:05] Last chance... [22:06] I would like to take this opportunity to thank those existing team members - old and new - who have put many hours of labour into this team already so we may ride on their coat tails into our future. [22:06] Hello. My name is Rubén Romero, I'm a student and work as a Project manager and IT consultant. I live in Norway, but I'm from Ecuador. I am the contact member for the Ubuntu Ecuador LoCo and participate in the Norwegian LoCo as well. Work on the Spanish LoCo cooperation team. I have worked with sales (as salesman and couch), manager. [22:06] Our major discussion point today is the "Mission Statement". [22:06] I've taken the agenda and broken it down into little baby steps so we can have a chance to get through it :-) [22:06] [TOPIC] Define what we want to accomplish in the long term - goals [22:06] New Topic: Define what we want to accomplish in the long term - goals [22:06] The mailing list is full of comments and discussion on this topic so I'm guessing none of you is shy about expressing their notions. [22:06] Comments... [22:07] Has everyone read John V's proposal???? [22:07] Hmm, mootbot isn't playing. [22:07] can someone start with basic goals? [22:08] It begins... :( [22:08] wow... [22:08] Goal proposal: Coordination among all the marketing efforts that are going on [22:08] what was that [22:09] Netsplit. Freenode has the flu. [22:09] just a mini-earthquake.. don't worry [22:09] U'm not sure how to do this but I think the best way for us to accomplish everything we need to do toay is to accept that proposal as our stating point [22:09] sorry im late [22:09] John_B: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2008-June/003149.html that proposal, correct? [22:10] but first we need to set the rule for a quorum [22:10] I think this proposal is a good start. So I would - except if there are major problems with it, accept it, but just for intermediate periode of time. [22:11] In the same time I'd propose to elect an intermediate team who's task it is to finalise this. [22:11] (among other tasks...) [22:11] Honestly I agree with VidAs comment on the proposition being too far away from the rest of the community in term of titles. It just does not work that way and it seems to me to be far away for what the CoC represnent within the Ubuntu Community [22:12] Well, that's nice, you chair a meeting and the server goes away :) [22:12] So, what did I miss :) [22:12] besides that, the proposal is a good starting point [22:12] (how about all connecting to a same server, to prevent the meeting being interrupted? kornbluth.freenode.net for example...) [22:12] ok [22:12] what server? [22:12] Excellent suggestion pep. [22:12] I suggest kornbluth.... [22:12] what if wre use: /server irc.ubuntu.com [22:13] it's kubrick I think [22:13] Ok, we'll follow hubuntu's suggestion. [22:13] no... it is still using the network i think... better connect directly to a server.. kubrick is fine for me just make one out :) owh? [22:13] ok kubrick [22:14] Crap, pidgin doesn't support swapping servers. [22:14] how do I do that? Remember I am a newbie LOL [22:15] John_B: When you choose an irc server, set it's name in your account. [22:15] BRB [22:15] John: are you using Pidgin? === pep` is now known as pep [22:15] XChat [22:15] good [22:15] then just use [22:15] (ok, back on kubrick...) [22:15] this commando john: /server irc.ubuntu.com [22:15] after that [22:16] use: /join #ubuntu-meeting [22:16] and you'll be back [22:16] but where do I put the commant?????? [22:16] in the text line :) [22:17] Right, my last contribution to this meeting was this: The mailing list is full of comments and discussion on this topic so I'm guessing none of you is shy about expressing their notions. [22:17] I don't want to cut you.. but irc.ubuntu.com does not forward to kubrick, it is just a general network host... jsut like irc.freenode;net... better type in kubrick.freenode.net if we ant to be on kubrick... [22:17] but nevermind :) [22:17] really pep? DIdn't know that... [22:17] owh, go on please [22:17] Lets move on. [22:17] hubuntu: well, here (belgium) it forwards me to kornbluth... but let's go on... [22:18] So, what notions do people have for the goals for this team? [22:18] irc.ubuntu.com [22:18] join #ubuntu-meeting [22:19] There was no shortage of comment on the list, why is everyone now so shy? [22:19] not sure i did that right [22:19] John_B: IRC commands start with a '/' [22:19] not shy here just unfamiliar with the technology! [22:19] nevermind :) as long as you're here ;) [22:19] candtalan: Nothing wrong with that :) [22:19] same here LOL [22:19] Right, well, I'll start the ball rolling then... [22:20] the proposal is the best starting point anyone has offered [22:20] Some suggestions were to act as a team that does marketing for Ubuntu, other suggestions were to act as a resource point for other Ubuntu community members. [22:20] as far as titles go, they are only titles. we can change them [22:21] John_B: We're not anywhere near "titles" at this point, just the goals. [22:21] [TOPIC] Define what we want to accomplish in the long term - goals [22:21] New Topic: Define what we want to accomplish in the long term - goals [22:21] some suggestions involve both approaches [22:21] So, are there any views on this? [22:21] did you all see the FWD I sent to the list about the Damish team [22:22] If enough teams go legal entity, that changes everything [22:22] goal to include overview discussion an dstrategy [22:22] It's not just about the title, I think that the approach, the structure, the goals and so on need to be reworked so that people can really identify with it. That's why I'd suggest to adopt the proposal but just for a limited time. [22:22] we then have all kinds of marketing optiona [22:22] One point a new team could then work on would also be to think about the question of the legal entity. [22:22] John_B, really that is something that is at a discussion level in the loco list [22:22] John_B: The marketing options don't really change based on the incorporation of LoCo teams [22:22] not something we should take into account right now [22:22] regarding the decentralised organisation of our community, it does not have much point to centralise the marketing in my opinion... but make sure all efforts are going the same way, and no efforts are made twice... so centralise information, ideas, and guidelines, more than actually leading global marketing projects... [22:23] +1 on pep [22:23] and adding: [22:23] I have to strongly agree with pep, as I've said in the list. [22:23] centralise our effort in order to serve the decentralized efforts of the Global community as in LoCo Teams [22:24] hubuntu: You're beginning to draft the mission statement I see :) [22:24] Ok, so we have three proposals here as I see it: [22:24] 1. Act as a marketing arm for Ubuntu [22:24] a central list can be an information exchange it does not have to be a control mechanism [22:24] Marketing really will be most effective if done through the LoCo team (people more receptive to locals rather than big far away orgs), the Marketing Team should be assisting and in a small part, offering coordination for LoCo teams if desired [22:24] 2. Act as a repository for Ubuntu Teams [22:25] 3. Combination of both. [22:25] 2a an inffformation exchange [22:25] Vote for 3. [22:25] candtalan: Yes [22:25] A question: how "cetralized is a Loco? [22:25] John_B: depends a lot on the LoCo, and depends on your definition of centralized [22:25] okko7: I'm worried that if you try to be everything for everyone, you loose focus as has happened in the past. [22:26] I go tend more to 2 .... [22:26] or the Developers team> [22:26] LoCos are people acting locally representing the community [22:26] yes, maybe incoporate in the loco team a "marketing contact" role... as you have a leader, you have a marketing contact... just make marketing more important and automatically merge marketing with the loco teams... through: one contact per team. it wouldn't be "necessary" to form a team... but strongly recommended... [22:26] once again +1 on pep [22:26] +1 pep [22:26] Ok, are there additions to this list? [22:27] many teams have working groups within them as of today, and in many they ALREADY have a marketing working group [22:27] yes, but not necessaril in close relation to the marketing team.. [22:27] hubuntu: Right, so we can assist them with central resources. [22:27] then we come in, don't we? [22:27] yes [22:27] close relationship need not be mandatory [22:27] Do I need to put this to a vote, or is there agreement? [22:28] owh: We're still having a healthy discussion [22:28] please summarise the suggested agreement? [22:28] no mandatory in LoCo teams... they organize as they see fit. But maybe recommend the crewation of such a group [22:28] I'm not sure about the "mandatory" either. [22:28] jono, any thought in this part? [22:28] Mandatory has never worked in teams I've been part of. [22:29] mandatory would kill many motives [22:29] Mandatory will not work, because this is a volunteer based org [22:29] both on a LoCo level and the entire community [22:29] Ok, so the proposal is for he marketing team to: Act as a central marketing resource for the Ubuntu Community. [22:30] you can see the marketing team as a team of it's own, but more importantly having a contact in every loco... (I'm not sure about the sense of mandatory... :/) [22:30] If th eresources are not good enough to be used, it i sno good to force things [22:30] yes owh, I agree on that... [22:30] Any alterations? [22:30] owh: I think it'll be modified through usage as time goes on, but for now, looks good. [22:30] resource includes ideas sharing [22:31] candtalan: Yup. [22:31] ok ffor me [22:31] +1 for 3. [22:31] I can live with it [22:31] +1 ffor 3 [22:31] [IDEA] The Ubuntu Marketing Team will act as a central marketing resource for the Ubuntu Community. [22:31] IDEA received: The Ubuntu Marketing Team will act as a central marketing resource for the Ubuntu Community. [22:31] a ressource is something you can use or not... maybe, making the importance to have a marketing contact per loco higher would benefit to solve bug #1 as it would centralize efforts... ? [22:31] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [22:32] That then covers the next topic, our target market, so unless there are objections, I'll skip that. [22:32] this is maybe a detail, but I think relatively important... get the marketing team and efforts more involved in the locos.. [22:32] works for me [22:32] fine [22:33] Onto the next item. [22:33] [TOPIC] Define the steps needed to achieve each goal - objectives [22:33] New Topic: Define the steps needed to achieve each goal - objectives [22:33] Given our goals and our target market, what needs to be done? [22:33] pep: Your point is what exactly? [22:33] Re-establish contact with the LoCo teams/community at large [22:33] work out the terms of relationship with Canoncial [22:34] to get the marketing team efforts more involved with loco teams... it joins the idea of a marketing contact per loco team... [22:34] John_B: I've got Canonical on the list as a separate topic. [22:34] marketing team members may each be themselves in a particular loco(?) [22:34] that way we know what we can do for the LoCos [22:34] just raise general interaction between loco team and amrketing team.. [22:34] So far I've heard lots about LoCo's, but what about other teams, such as for example ubuntu-server? [22:34] yes candtalan but not every loco has a marketing team member... [22:35] IMPORTANT: Focus seams until now to be only towards existing ubuntu users, and not the "outside world", that is Windows users. [22:35] owh: LoCo teams would be the people who do a lot of the marketing (downstream) the other teams are more who we're marketing for (upstream) [22:35] okko7: Who's focus? [22:35] General efforts of loco teams but also - as it seams - the ubuntu marketing teams focus. [22:36] Flannel: Well U-S is planning a survey which is going to end users, so they're marketing downstream. [22:36] and they would be more likely to have contact with Windows users on a larger scale than say the developers [22:36] yes Flannel, these are indeed different questions I think... [22:36] In principle th eloco teams would do on the ground marketing. [22:36] okko7: Well as we've defined it, we are not catering to the outside world at present. We are catering to Ubuntu so they can cater to the outside with our help. [22:37] [22:37] owh: Yes, but they could just as easily ask -marketing to do it for them, or whatever. [22:37] Hm. I dare challenging this. [22:37] Marketing resources should also be available towards the outside. [22:37] owh: We're not marketing *to* the LoCos, the proposal was to give the LoCos stuff to marketing to the outside world with. [22:37] but they are, through the locos [22:37] I understand the thrust of what you are both saying however... [22:38] this joins the spreadubuntu idea.... [22:38] There are few of us and many LoCo and team members. If we can assist locally, then we can affect globally. [22:38] once more +1 on pep. Spreadubuntu, Brainstorm... a marketing cooperation framework need definition and work [22:38] I have the impression that many locos are focused mostly towards the inside and only exceptionnally towards the outside. [22:38] being in the marketing team would not stop me doing stuff locally as an individual [22:39] Flannel: I understand your point, but okko7 is saying we should market outside Ubuntu. [22:39] candtalan: Exactly. [22:39] okko7: What do you mean mostly towards the inside? [22:39] okko: yes loco are often inward looking [22:40] Example: A release party is a party organised by geeks for geeks. Newbees will very easily feel lost. [22:40] okko7 I can't agree on that.. It may be the case in some places, but not in the global community as a whole [22:40] yes. that is why I think my idea of "strongly suggesting" each loco to have a marketing contact, would help this cooperation and centralising work... without taking the loco's fredom or doing something for them... [22:40] freedom* [22:40] okko7: If that is the case, then we as a team can provide resources to help change that. [22:40] okko7: i have to disagree as well [22:40] owh: I don't think that's a bad idea, no. But it shouldn't be over the heads of the LoCos, since thats really what they're there for, and you don't want to insult them [22:40] My opinion is just that there needs to be an equilibrium between outside and inside marketing. [22:40] if we don't market outside, we are not really working on Bug 1 [22:41] a installfest is geeks installing ubuntu for 10 times as many non-geeks [22:41] given the marketing of the event is right [22:41] As for now I have the impression that the outside marketing is not enough to deal with bug 1. [22:41] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [22:41] besides marketing inside is like kissing your sister LOL [22:41] what's the point on selling ubuntu to a geek that has already bought it? [22:41] in loco that I know ther iare a few who are keen on marketing only, these would focus with this team [22:41] I disagree also... but maybe the marketing team should enlighten ubunteros on how to speak to specific categories of people about ubuntu.. (the student, the litteral, the elder, the kids...) [22:42] Good point, pep. [22:42] pep you hit everytime... +1 [22:42] a sort of "what do I say facing a person that is X" [22:42] thank you [22:42] Hello all! Apologies for my tardiness, but I did make it after all ;) [22:42] but this is admitting that we are a tool for the locos and ubunteros of course... [22:42] Hi John [22:43] welcome [22:43] So, one of our objectives would be to provide resources to assist LoCo's in marketing their release parties to the wider community. [22:43] pep: Being a loco tool and doing central campaigns aren't mutually exclusive. [22:43] no of course... [22:43] +1 owh [22:43] you're right [22:43] one of our objectives would be to provide resources to assist LoCo's ----- and encouraage? [22:43] [IDEA] Provide resources to assist LoCo's in marketing their release parties to the wider community. [22:43] IDEA received: Provide resources to assist LoCo's in marketing their release parties to the wider community. [22:44] Other objectives? [22:44] Not just release parties... [22:44] can we add 'encourage'? [22:44] owh: yes..; and maybe provide a sort of guide explaining which arguments fit which type of public... I don't know... [22:44] what do you think people? [22:44] pep: I like the "how to talk to people" idea [22:44] i saw one of those, in ubuntuforums.org [22:44] yes a how-to defining best practices for an installfest [22:44] Good suggestions on effective advocacy are always in order. [22:45] explaining - will be one resource [22:45] like it [22:45] [IDEA] Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCo's in marketing their release parties to the wider community. [22:45] IDEA received: Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCo's in marketing their release parties to the wider community. [22:45] I made one for the Ecuador LoCo and the FLISOL [22:45] it should push aimed-marketing... [22:45] pep, can you phrase your suggestion as a single sentence? [22:46] Why limit on "release parties"? Maybe help then in generally marketing ubuntu [22:46] I'll try ;) [22:46] just limted to release parties? What about in their marketing activities or whatever? [22:46] okko7, the objectives have to be define into concrete tasks [22:46] I'd like to see the Marketing Team as a place we can to go find marketing (literature) ideas and designs and templates. [22:46] okko7: We're trying to create a list of objectives, not cover the world in one hit. === BHSPitLappy_ is now known as BHSPitLappy [22:46] For example, I just did a presentation with slides, and I intend to publish those slides. It would be nice if I could submit the presentation to the Marketing Team for others to use. [22:46] leave it as general as possible - open to any opportunity [22:47] owh: but still, "release parties" is a narrow aspect of the LoCos [22:47] installfest are important in the difussion of ubuntu, as many other activities are (expositions at schools, talks, etc...) [22:47] Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, to reach different types of public... so that nobody ends up talking about xorg possibities to an elder person... [22:47] I display at computer fairs, talk at clubs [22:47] Flannel: Yes, that is true, but release parties are already a "known" thing, they come around every six months and are plan-able. [22:47] I think you see waht I mean... [22:47] nhaines, you hit the spot: Stablish an organized repository of material that is both manageable and understandable [22:48] hubuntu: exactly. Gather the hard work that LoCo teams are already doing. [22:48] yes [22:48] Right, so there is another objective. [22:48] This is in line with what I was envisioning: a central repo of materials that could be easily referenced by any aspect of the community. [22:48] If it needs to be specific then no problem with release parties from me [22:48] [IDEA] Gather the hard work that LoCo teams are already doing. [22:48] IDEA received: Gather the hard work that LoCo teams are already doing. [22:48] owh: So is everything else. We tend to have installfests as our "parties", using that specific term is overly restrictive under some intrepretations [22:48] Flannel: Have you got a better wording? [22:49] yes, a big gathering work will have to be done.. and sorting, classifying in a clearly structured website... [22:49] so that it is easily re-usable [22:49] owh: s/release parties/activities/ [22:49] again pep we are heading towards spreadubuntu [22:49] [IDEA] Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, to reach different types of public... so that nobody ends up talking about xorg possibities to an elder person... [22:49] IDEA received: Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, to reach different types of public... so that nobody ends up talking about xorg possibities to an elder person... [22:49] hubuntu: yes... =-) [22:49] I always thought it was a good plan.,. just like spreadfirefox is [22:49] [IDEA] Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCo's in marketing their activities to the wider community. [22:49] IDEA received: Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCo's in marketing their activities to the wider community. [22:50] Right, so by my count we have three ideas, any other objectives? [22:50] reach different types of publi - nice one yes [22:50] I think a Marketing Team focusing on resources for LoCos and other individuals to reuse and build off of is going to have the quickest payoff while other objectives are in the works. [22:50] I strongly agree with hubuntu, the spreadubuntu project should be taken up again... it should be this repository of tools that we talk of... [22:50] I guess I should ask: Has anyone brought up the proposal I posted to the mailing list last night? I thought it was a fairly comprehensive direction. [22:50] yes john, we are woirking on it right nowe ;) [22:50] which one please? [22:51] john-vilsack: Yes, but we're currently going through the agenda. [22:51] ok, just trying to catch up, thanks :) [22:51] So, nhaines, does what we have so far cover what you expect? [22:52] I did [22:52] I think we have our objectives for the moment? [22:52] ok fo rme [22:52] I feared that the idea was being dismissed, but yes, the last idea received was what I expect. [22:52] owh: Perhaps it'd be best to summarize what we have so far [22:52] Fair enough. [22:53] ok [22:53] Provide resources to assist and encourage LoCo's in marketing their activities to the wider community. [22:53] Gather the hard work that LoCo teams are already doing. [22:53] Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, to reach different types of public... so that nobody ends up talking about xorg possibities to an elder person... [22:53] * owh had to do some fancy copy/paste :) [22:54] Any other objectives? [22:54] this can be framed in the spreadubuntu project no? [22:54] pep Yup [22:54] pep: It's on the list... [22:54] okok.. just checking if I got it right :) [22:55] Perfect for me. [22:55] Right onto the next topic. [22:55] [TOPIC] Define a concrete mission statement for the team that reflects the goals and objectives of the team [22:55] New Topic: Define a concrete mission statement for the team that reflects the goals and objectives of the team [22:55] yes... [22:55] Anyone wish to take a stab at a first draft statement, no more than 25 words? [22:55] so that nobody ends up talking about xorg possibities to an elder person... restate as inappropriate person inapropriately ? [22:56] ( I am elder and I woiul dlove to have xorg explained to me....) [22:56] candtalan: Reads a bit strange, we'll work on it. Leave it for now. [22:56] yes it was not very intelligently formed... [22:56] candtalan: man xorg :) [22:56] ^^ [22:56] :-) [22:56] cantalan: How about "learning to speak at the technical level appropriate to the audience"? [22:56] yes! [22:56] Yup [22:57] that was it, I am not a native english speaker :) [22:57] nice [22:57] but make it more people refering maybe? [22:57] john-vilsack: So, how did you want to change this: Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, to reach different types of public... so that nobody ends up talking about xorg possibities to an elder person... [22:58] Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, Preparing the community to speak speak the tehcnical level appropriate to the audience when talking about Ubuntu [22:59] so that the audience is informed appropriate to their experience [22:59] even if it sounds rather discriminating.... I'm afraid marketing *is* discriminating... my point was to specify clear arguments and "what to talk about" and "what to force on" depending of you audience... [22:59] how's that? [22:59] elderly [22:59] yes, I like john-vilsacks formulation.. [22:59] point accepted, it just needs wording [22:59] candtalan: So, are you happy with john-vilsack's wording? [22:59] I can do that once its on the wiki [23:00] My little brother is 20 and can't check his email without throwing a keyboard...its not an aptitude limiting by age... :) [23:00] john-vilsack: yes [23:00] sure :) [23:00] [IDEA] Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, Preparing the community to speak speak the technical level appropriate to the audience when talking about Ubuntu. [23:00] IDEA received: Proposing a guide, regrouping different techniques of marketing and arguments, Preparing the community to speak speak the technical level appropriate to the audience when talking about Ubuntu. [23:00] Right, now that you've all had time to draft a mission statement, where are the proposals :) [23:01] thats good [23:01] rofl give me a moment ;) [23:01] Type faster will ya, we're wasting air :) [23:02] regarding the second point, I think it important to place the sense of "interactive" nexy to "marketing ressource"... it must be clear that the goal and functioning strongly depends on the actions and feedback of the marketeers in my opinion... [23:02]