| Jazzva | asac: Can't reproduce ... but I think I have gnome-mplayer 0.6.2 | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Jazzva | and gecko-mediaplayer 0.6.2... I think they mentioned some changes to quicktime. | 00:01 |
| Jazzva | asac: Sorry... It's 0.6.2 in intrepid. I have 0.6.0, and I can't reproduce it | 00:02 |
| crimsun | asac: for a fresh intrepid install, 1) linux-sound-base should, by default, ship a template alternatives for /etc/asound.conf; this template needs to be unset (for the ALSA case) by default. For the OSS (dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base) case, this template needs to be set to a file containing the contents of `asoundconf set-oss' (see alsa-utils bzr); 2) pulseaudio should Depends (instead of Recommends) libasound2-plugins. It | 00:05 |
| crimsun | in this way, we preserve ALSA-only usage, OSSv4 usage, and PulseAudio usage. | 00:06 |
| crimsun | (I'll be working on the necessary bits in my own branches of alsa-driver, alsa-utils, and pulseaudio.) | 00:07 |
| asac | crimsun: the long message was cut off here | 00:08 |
| asac | set-oss' (see alsa-utils bzr); 2) pulseaudio should Depends (instead of | 00:08 |
| asac | Recommends) libasound2-plugins. It | 00:08 |
| asac | ... then: | 00:08 |
| asac | 01:06 < crimsun> in this way, we preserve ALSA-only usage, OSSv4 usage, and PulseAudio usage. | 00:08 |
| asac | in case there was something in between, please paste :) | 00:08 |
| crimsun | 2) pulseaudio should Depends (instead of Recommends) libasound2-plugins. It also needs to update the alternatives for /etc/asound.conf (set it to a file containing the contents of `asoundconf set-pulseaudio'). | 00:08 |
| crimsun | (that's all that was missing) | 00:09 |
| asac | crimsun: in hardy there isnt any /etc/asound.conf at all ... how does it get its defaults? | 00:10 |
| crimsun | asac: libasound2 ships it in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf. | 00:11 |
| asac | just wonder if the defaults we want cant be put in some other place than that file | 00:11 |
| crimsun | asac: /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc are the canonical overrides | 00:11 |
| crimsun | I'll have to think harder about the dist-upgrade case. (Probably pop up a notifier bubble on pulseaudio upgrade?) | 00:13 |
| asac | hmm ... notification isnt really something that works | 00:13 |
| asac | most users will miss it | 00:13 |
| asac | or just close it | 00:13 |
| crimsun | ok, well, either a dist-upgrade automatically migrates them (mv ~/.asoundrc* $somewhere_else), or the dist-upgrade leaves them intact | 00:14 |
| asac | if i understand you correctly we dont need /etc/asound.conf except for OSS case? | 00:15 |
| crimsun | no, we would also need it for the PulseAudio case. | 00:15 |
| asac | ok. so similar - aka content of asoundconf set-pulseaudio? | 00:16 |
| crimsun | yes | 00:16 |
| asac | ok. as far as i can see there is a .asoundrc file in $HOME ... that is generated on every startup? or when global config changes? | 00:17 |
| asac | hmm ... dont have it hear even ;) | 00:17 |
| crimsun | you shouldn't have an asoundrc at all unless you run Edubuntu | 00:18 |
| crimsun | (by default, that is) | 00:18 |
| crimsun | an asoundrc must be explicitly generated, and it takes effect (only once) upon a native ALSA app's invocation. | 00:19 |
| asac | crimsun: is there any reason to not ship set-pulseaudio config as a general default that users can change by adding their /etc/asound.conf and so on? | 00:24 |
| asac | (i refer to default ubuntu setups with pulseaudio) | 00:25 |
| crimsun | asac: no, there is no reason to not ship it as such. That is, in fact, the precise config I outlined above. :) | 00:25 |
| asac | except that flash 9 cant do it ;) | 00:25 |
| crimsun | e.g., by default, PulseAudio sets the /etc/asound.conf alternatives. | 00:26 |
| asac | crimsun: thats the only point i dont like | 00:26 |
| fta | asac, how far is gnash composer/editor from reality ? i remember rob mentioned it at UDS | 00:26 |
| asac | crimsun: at least for hardy i dont want to introduce new alternatives | 00:26 |
| asac | (but well we talk about intrepid i know) | 00:26 |
| crimsun | right, hardy is another mess of cake altogether. | 00:27 |
| asac | in any case, i dont think we want to ship any /etc/ file as the default. we should choose another location | 00:27 |
| crimsun | as in modify alsa-lib to look elsewhere? Well.... | 00:27 |
| asac | is that possible? e.g. we ship alternative somewhere in /usr/share/alsa* and admins can override that in /etc/asound.conf | 00:27 |
| asac | i prefer to have /etc/asound.conf a place where admin can do global configs | 00:28 |
| asac | packages should ship their defaults somewhere else if possible | 00:28 |
| asac | crimsun: you said that /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf is already used | 00:29 |
| asac | or does that have a different purpose? | 00:30 |
| crimsun | that's the default | 00:32 |
| crimsun | /etc/asound.conf overrides it, and ~/.asoundrc overrides both | 00:32 |
| crimsun | need to go, wifi spot disappearing :/ | 00:33 |
| asac | crimsun: sure thanks for the input so far | 00:33 |
| fta | damn keyboard layout. after each reboot, i have to uncheck/recheck the same options | 00:34 |
| fta | http://dilbert.com/animation/comic/2008-06-05/ | 00:40 |
| Jazzva | Waited an hour for epiphany to finish compiling... And then it produced an error. Oh, joy... oh, joy... | 00:44 |
| Jazzva | Good thing it's just a missing directory, so, I'm gonna run build from that point :) | 00:44 |
| fta | asac, you sure you want that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17760/ ? | 00:57 |
| asac | fta: to be honest: no :) | 00:58 |
| fta | then what ? current code is bad | 00:58 |
| fta | that was your proposal earlier today | 00:59 |
| asac | yeah ... for now just use --gre-version ... or doesnt that work? | 00:59 |
| asac | (directly in postinst) | 00:59 |
| asac | i think you suggested that initially ... but well | 01:00 |
| asac | i have to look what we really want in the end | 01:00 |
| asac | .autoreg is somewhat painful ;) | 01:00 |
| fta | i suggested --gre-version directly in postinst, you said you prefer /usr/sbin/xul19-touch-autoreg | 01:02 |
| asac | yeah ... it has its benefit ... but i want to think about the final solution a bit before introducing a new binary | 01:05 |
| asac | executabe | 01:05 |
| fta | ok, i'll go for my initial idea then. | 01:06 |
| asac | so if we need a fix now, just fix postinst ... we can go ahead from there ;) | 01:06 |
| asac | right | 01:07 |
| asac | ok off ... cant keep eyes open :) | 01:07 |
| asac | night | 01:07 |
| fta | night | 01:08 |
| Jazzva | Yay. Epiphany with Webkit is installed. Now to see if it's usable. "Powered by WebKit" | 01:27 |
| Jazzva | hmm... some links won't open, and it seems that all links refuse to open in a new window :/ | 01:35 |
| fta | eheh | 01:35 |
| Jazzva | Guess it's still not so usable | 01:35 |
| fta | mozilla powa | 01:35 |
| Jazzva | fta: Agreed ;) | 01:35 |
| Jazzva | It's just that liferea-webkit seems to work fine, so asac thought to test epiphany-webkit. | 01:36 |
| Jazzva | Though, he did mention I might need to get latest webkit... | 01:37 |
| fta | epiphany is supposed to work as upstream announced the shift | 01:37 |
| Jazzva | the shift? to webkit? | 01:38 |
| fta | yes | 01:38 |
| Jazzva | It might be webkit in our archives... | 01:38 |
| Jazzva | I think I'll build webkit from upstream and then leave epiphany compile with it over-night | 01:39 |
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| gnomefreak | anyone awake? | 04:32 |
| crimsun | sure. | 04:32 |
| gnomefreak | have you seen the wiki on what was supposed to be talked about at UDS? | 04:33 |
| crimsun | no, I'm pretty much out of the loop these days. | 04:34 |
| crimsun | (sorry) | 04:34 |
| gnomefreak | thanks ill keep looking | 04:36 |
| gnomefreak | asac: removing user from subscription didnt work im asking in #launchpad | 05:08 |
| gnomefreak | i hate wikis :( | 05:19 |
| === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| gnomefreak | asac: its aout 2:45am -0400 and i think i have handled the bounces this time but im going to work with an LP guy to see what can be done (for all i know its an email bomb or some stupid crap | 07:45 |
| armin76 | bumb rc2! | 10:40 |
| [reed] | bumb? | 11:07 |
| armin76 | no bumb? :P | 11:18 |
| fta | hi | 11:45 |
| Jazzva | asac: ping | 15:44 |
| fta | i'm out of ideas with flock | 17:13 |
| fta | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15023265/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.flock_2.0~a1~svn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1~fta4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:13 |
| fta | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15024875/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.flock_2.0~a1~svn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1~fta4_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 17:13 |
| fta | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15025750/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.flock_2.0~a1~svn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1~fta4~hardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:14 |
| fta | asac, care to help ? ^^ | 18:03 |
| Jazzva | rebuilding epiphany with patches, as it continued to segfault, even with the latest upstream webkit | 18:50 |
| fta | Jazzva, i thought debian had it working months ago. did i miss something ? | 19:00 |
| Jazzva | fta: Then it's me that's broken ;). Now I'm compiling latest epiphany with latest webkit. It might have been the thing that I didn't apply patches. | 19:02 |
| crimsun | asac: (lp:~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new and lp:~crimsun/pulseaudio/ubuntu updated as per our discussion) | 19:48 |
| Jazzva | Do we still hold meetings in #ubuntu-meeting, or we hold them in #ubuntu-mozillateam | 19:57 |
| Jazzva | ? | 19:57 |
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| fta | this channel is quiet most of the time | 19:59 |
| Jazzva | fta: Yeah, I was just wondering, cause it says #ubuntu-meeting on wiki MT meetings page. So, I don't know if there is some Ubuntu policy on meetings... | 19:59 |
| Jazzva | i.e. they should be only held in #ubuntu-meetings... And, if so, where is the schedule for #ubuntu-meeting? :) | 20:00 |
| armin76 | buuuuumb! | 20:11 |
| Jazzva | armin76: what's a bumb? | 20:17 |
| Jazzva | a crash? :) | 20:17 |
| armin76 | haha | 20:19 |
| armin76 | a version bump :P | 20:19 |
| Jazzva | Oh... oke :) | 20:19 |
| fta | rc2 ? | 20:22 |
| Jazzva | Hmm... It still won't open in "New window". But no segfault so far. | 20:35 |
| lyhana8 | hi, i want to refresh my addons list due to conflict between Fx2 and Fx3 | 21:56 |
| Jazzva | asac, fta: ping | 22:44 |
| fta | Jazzva, pong | 22:55 |
| Jazzva | fta: You have been working on mozilla-devscripts, right? | 22:55 |
| fta | yes | 22:57 |
| Jazzva | Is there a support for thunderbird extensions? | 22:57 |
| Jazzva | *packaging thunderbird extensions? | 22:58 |
| fta | you mean the xpi.mk ? | 22:59 |
| Jazzva | Yep... | 23:00 |
| fta | it's not specific to ff | 23:00 |
| fta | so it's just a matter of install.rdf | 23:01 |
| Jazzva | Hmm, I think that imagezoom doesn't show up in thunderbird, and it uses xpi.mk. That's why I asked... | 23:01 |
| Jazzva | And as far as I can see in xpi.mk (MOZ_XPI_MOZILLA_DIRS ?= firefox-addons firefox) it installs only for firefox. Is it ok if we change that parameter in debian/rules for packages that work in thunderbird? | 23:02 |
| fta | oh, the addons dir | 23:04 |
| fta | yes, you can change it | 23:04 |
| fta | xpi.mk will only set it if it's not already there | 23:04 |
| fta | that's "?=" | 23:04 |
| Jazzva | Hmm, ok. I'll test with that. Maybe we can mention that in XPI.TEMPLATE, for packagers that work on thunderbird extensions. | 23:05 |
| Jazzva | I didn't know for that operand. :) | 23:05 |
| Jazzva | Thanks for the help... | 23:05 |
| fta | np | 23:07 |
| Jazzva | fta: It works :) | 23:41 |
| Jazzva | and, I meant "operator", not "operand" | 23:42 |
| fta | good | 23:44 |
| fta | i'm trying to brush up my japanese by watching a movie, it's hard. i'm rusted :P | 23:45 |
| Jazzva | Good luck ;) | 23:45 |
| fta | Jazzva, i have a strange problem with liferea | 23:54 |
| Jazzva | fta: What seems to be the problem? | 23:55 |
| Jazzva | Introduced by merge *scared*? | 23:55 |
| fta | if it's open in a workspace and i move to another workspace, i cannot hide it and bring it to the current workspace using the notification icon | 23:55 |
| fta | (middle click on the icon) | 23:56 |
| fta | may not be liferea's fault as deluge is showing the same problem | 23:56 |
| Jazzva | Hmm... say something to me here, so I can test it for xchat | 23:56 |
| fta | Jazzva, test | 23:57 |
| Jazzva | Hmm... middle click is not working for me. Only left click, and it moves me automatically to the workspace where xchat is | 23:57 |
| fta | oops, left click, yes | 23:58 |
| Jazzva | Not working for Pidgin too... Are you using compiz? | 23:58 |
| fta | no | 23:58 |
| fta | metacity | 23:58 |
| Jazzva | Left click moves me to the active desktop | 23:58 |
| Jazzva | Hmm... same here | 23:58 |
| fta | liferea ? | 23:58 |
| Jazzva | No, metacity | 23:59 |
| Jazzva | I'll test with liferea | 23:59 |
| fta | xchat is okay here, but neither liferea nor deluge | 23:59 |
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