[00:01] <Jazzva> asac: Can't reproduce ... but I think I have gnome-mplayer 0.6.2
[00:01] <Jazzva> and gecko-mediaplayer 0.6.2... I think they mentioned some changes to quicktime.
[00:02] <Jazzva> asac: Sorry... It's 0.6.2 in intrepid. I have 0.6.0, and I can't reproduce it
[00:05] <crimsun> asac: for a fresh intrepid install, 1) linux-sound-base should, by default, ship a template alternatives for /etc/asound.conf; this template needs to be unset (for the ALSA case) by default.  For the OSS (dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base) case, this template needs to be set to a file containing the contents of `asoundconf set-oss' (see alsa-utils bzr); 2) pulseaudio should Depends (instead of Recommends) libasound2-plugins.  It
[00:06] <crimsun> in this way, we preserve ALSA-only usage, OSSv4 usage, and PulseAudio usage.
[00:07] <crimsun> (I'll be working on the necessary bits in my own branches of alsa-driver, alsa-utils, and pulseaudio.)
[00:08] <asac> crimsun: the long message was cut off here
[00:08] <asac>                  set-oss' (see alsa-utils bzr); 2) pulseaudio should Depends (instead of
[00:08] <asac>                  Recommends) libasound2-plugins.  It
[00:08] <asac> ... then:
[00:08] <asac> 01:06 < crimsun> in this way, we preserve ALSA-only usage, OSSv4 usage, and PulseAudio usage.
[00:08] <asac> in case there was something in between, please paste :)
[00:08] <crimsun> 2) pulseaudio should Depends (instead of Recommends) libasound2-plugins.  It also needs to update the alternatives for /etc/asound.conf (set it to a file containing the contents of `asoundconf set-pulseaudio').
[00:09] <crimsun> (that's all that was missing)
[00:10] <asac> crimsun: in hardy there isnt any /etc/asound.conf at all ... how does it get its defaults?
[00:11] <crimsun> asac: libasound2 ships it in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf.
[00:11] <asac> just wonder if the defaults we want cant be put in some other place than that file
[00:11] <crimsun> asac: /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc are the canonical overrides
[00:13] <crimsun> I'll have to think harder about the dist-upgrade case.  (Probably pop up a notifier bubble on pulseaudio upgrade?)
[00:13] <asac> hmm ... notification isnt really something that works
[00:13] <asac> most users will miss it
[00:13] <asac> or just close it
[00:14] <crimsun> ok, well, either a dist-upgrade automatically migrates them (mv ~/.asoundrc* $somewhere_else), or the dist-upgrade leaves them intact
[00:15] <asac> if i understand you correctly we dont need /etc/asound.conf except for OSS case?
[00:15] <crimsun> no, we would also need it for the PulseAudio case.
[00:16] <asac> ok. so similar - aka content of asoundconf set-pulseaudio?
[00:16] <crimsun> yes
[00:17] <asac> ok. as far as i can see there is a .asoundrc file in $HOME ... that is generated on every startup? or when global config changes?
[00:17] <asac> hmm ... dont have it hear even ;)
[00:18] <crimsun> you shouldn't have an asoundrc at all unless you run Edubuntu
[00:18] <crimsun> (by default, that is)
[00:19] <crimsun> an asoundrc must be explicitly generated, and it takes effect (only once) upon a native ALSA app's invocation.
[00:24] <asac> crimsun: is there any reason to not ship set-pulseaudio config as a general default that users can change by adding their /etc/asound.conf and so on?
[00:25] <asac> (i refer to default ubuntu setups with pulseaudio)
[00:25] <crimsun> asac: no, there is no reason to not ship it as such.  That is, in fact, the precise config I outlined above.  :)
[00:25] <asac> except that flash 9 cant do it ;)
[00:26] <crimsun> e.g., by default, PulseAudio sets the /etc/asound.conf alternatives.
[00:26] <asac> crimsun: thats the only point i dont like
[00:26] <fta> asac, how far is gnash composer/editor from reality ? i remember rob mentioned it at UDS
[00:26] <asac> crimsun: at least for hardy i dont want to introduce new alternatives
[00:26] <asac> (but well we talk about intrepid i know)
[00:27] <crimsun> right, hardy is another mess of cake altogether.
[00:27] <asac> in any case, i dont think we want to ship any /etc/ file as the default. we should choose another location
[00:27] <crimsun> as in modify alsa-lib to look elsewhere?  Well....
[00:27] <asac> is that possible? e.g. we ship alternative somewhere in /usr/share/alsa* and admins can override that in /etc/asound.conf
[00:28] <asac> i prefer to have /etc/asound.conf a place where admin can do global configs
[00:28] <asac> packages should ship their defaults somewhere else if possible
[00:29] <asac> crimsun: you said that /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf is already used
[00:30] <asac> or does that have a different purpose?
[00:32] <crimsun> that's the default
[00:32] <crimsun> /etc/asound.conf overrides it, and ~/.asoundrc overrides both
[00:33] <crimsun> need to go, wifi spot disappearing :/
[00:33] <asac> crimsun: sure thanks for the input so far
[00:34] <fta> damn keyboard layout. after each reboot, i have to uncheck/recheck the same options
[00:40] <fta> http://dilbert.com/animation/comic/2008-06-05/
[00:44] <Jazzva> Waited an hour for epiphany to finish compiling... And then it produced an error. Oh, joy... oh, joy...
[00:44] <Jazzva> Good thing it's just a missing directory, so, I'm gonna run build from that point :)
[00:57] <fta> asac, you sure you want that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17760/ ?
[00:58] <asac> fta: to be honest: no :)
[00:58] <fta> then what ? current code is bad
[00:59] <fta> that was your proposal earlier today
[00:59] <asac> yeah ... for now just use --gre-version ... or doesnt that work?
[00:59] <asac> (directly in postinst)
[01:00] <asac> i think you suggested that initially ... but well
[01:00] <asac> i have to look what we really want in the end
[01:00] <asac> .autoreg is somewhat painful ;)
[01:02] <fta> i suggested --gre-version directly in postinst, you said you prefer /usr/sbin/xul19-touch-autoreg
[01:05] <asac> yeah ... it has its benefit ... but i want to think about the final solution a bit before introducing a new binary
[01:05] <asac> executabe
[01:06] <fta> ok, i'll go for my initial idea then.
[01:06] <asac> so if we need a fix now, just fix postinst ... we can go ahead from there ;)
[01:07] <asac> right
[01:07] <asac> ok off ... cant keep eyes open :)
[01:07] <asac> night
[01:08] <fta> night
[01:27] <Jazzva> Yay. Epiphany with Webkit is installed. Now to see if it's usable. "Powered by WebKit"
[01:35] <Jazzva> hmm... some links won't open, and it seems that all links refuse to open in a new window :/
[01:35] <fta> eheh
[01:35] <Jazzva> Guess it's still not so usable
[01:35] <fta> mozilla powa
[01:35] <Jazzva> fta: Agreed ;)
[01:36] <Jazzva> It's just that liferea-webkit seems to work fine, so asac thought to test epiphany-webkit.
[01:37] <Jazzva> Though, he did mention I might need to get latest webkit...
[01:37] <fta> epiphany is supposed to work as upstream announced the shift
[01:38] <Jazzva> the shift? to webkit?
[01:38] <fta> yes
[01:38] <Jazzva> It might be webkit in our archives...
[01:39] <Jazzva> I think I'll build webkit from upstream and then leave epiphany compile with it over-night
[04:32] <gnomefreak> anyone awake?
[04:32] <crimsun> sure.
[04:33] <gnomefreak> have you seen the wiki on what was supposed to be talked about at UDS?
[04:34] <crimsun> no, I'm pretty much out of the loop these days.
[04:34] <crimsun> (sorry)
[04:36] <gnomefreak> thanks ill keep looking
[05:08] <gnomefreak> asac: removing user from subscription didnt work im asking in #launchpad
[05:19] <gnomefreak> i hate wikis :(
[07:45] <gnomefreak> asac: its aout 2:45am -0400 and i think i have handled the bounces this time but im going to work with an LP guy to see what can be done (for all i know its an email bomb or some stupid crap
[10:40] <armin76> bumb rc2!
[11:07] <[reed]> bumb?
[11:18] <armin76> no bumb? :P
[11:45] <fta> hi
[15:44] <Jazzva> asac: ping
[17:13] <fta> i'm out of ideas with flock
[17:13] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15023265/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.flock_2.0~a1~svn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1~fta4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:13] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15024875/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.flock_2.0~a1~svn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1~fta4_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[17:14] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15025750/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.flock_2.0~a1~svn20080603r19205-0ubuntu1~fta4~hardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:03] <fta> asac, care to help ? ^^
[18:50] <Jazzva> rebuilding epiphany with patches, as it continued to segfault, even with the latest upstream webkit
[19:00] <fta> Jazzva, i thought debian had it working months ago. did i miss something ?
[19:02] <Jazzva> fta: Then it's me that's broken ;). Now I'm compiling latest epiphany with latest webkit. It might have been the thing that I didn't apply patches.
[19:48] <crimsun> asac: (lp:~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new and lp:~crimsun/pulseaudio/ubuntu updated as per our discussion)
[19:57] <Jazzva> Do we still hold meetings in #ubuntu-meeting, or we hold them in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[19:57] <Jazzva> ?
[19:59] <fta> this channel is quiet most of the time
[19:59] <Jazzva> fta: Yeah, I was just wondering, cause it says #ubuntu-meeting on wiki MT meetings page. So, I don't know if there is some Ubuntu policy on meetings...
[20:00] <Jazzva> i.e. they should be only held in #ubuntu-meetings... And, if so, where is the schedule for #ubuntu-meeting? :)
[20:11] <armin76> buuuuumb!
[20:17] <Jazzva> armin76: what's a bumb?
[20:17] <Jazzva> a crash? :)
[20:19] <armin76> haha
[20:19] <armin76> a version bump :P
[20:19] <Jazzva> Oh... oke :)
[20:22] <fta> rc2 ?
[20:35] <Jazzva> Hmm... It still won't open in "New window". But no segfault so far.
[21:56] <lyhana8> hi, i want to refresh my addons list due to conflict between Fx2 and Fx3
[22:44] <Jazzva> asac, fta: ping
[22:55] <fta> Jazzva, pong
[22:55] <Jazzva> fta: You have been working on mozilla-devscripts, right?
[22:57] <fta> yes
[22:57] <Jazzva> Is there a support for thunderbird extensions?
[22:58] <Jazzva> *packaging thunderbird extensions?
[22:59] <fta> you mean the xpi.mk ?
[23:00] <Jazzva> Yep...
[23:00] <fta> it's not specific to ff
[23:01] <fta> so it's just a matter of install.rdf
[23:01] <Jazzva> Hmm, I think that imagezoom doesn't show up in thunderbird, and it uses xpi.mk. That's why I asked...
[23:02] <Jazzva> And as far as I can see in xpi.mk (MOZ_XPI_MOZILLA_DIRS ?= firefox-addons firefox) it installs only for firefox. Is it ok if we change that parameter in debian/rules for packages that work in thunderbird?
[23:04] <fta> oh, the addons dir
[23:04] <fta> yes, you can change it
[23:04] <fta> xpi.mk will only set it if it's not already there
[23:04] <fta> that's "?="
[23:05] <Jazzva> Hmm, ok. I'll test with that. Maybe we can mention that in XPI.TEMPLATE, for packagers that work on thunderbird extensions.
[23:05] <Jazzva> I didn't know for that operand. :)
[23:05] <Jazzva> Thanks for the help...
[23:07] <fta> np
[23:41] <Jazzva> fta: It works :)
[23:42] <Jazzva> and, I meant "operator", not "operand"
[23:44] <fta> good
[23:45] <fta> i'm trying to brush up my japanese by watching a movie, it's hard. i'm rusted :P
[23:45] <Jazzva> Good luck ;)
[23:54] <fta> Jazzva, i have a strange problem with liferea
[23:55] <Jazzva> fta: What seems to be the problem?
[23:55] <Jazzva> Introduced by merge *scared*?
[23:55] <fta> if it's open in a workspace and i move to another workspace, i cannot hide it and bring it to the current workspace using the notification icon
[23:56] <fta> (middle click on the icon)
[23:56] <fta> may not be liferea's fault as deluge is showing the same problem
[23:56] <Jazzva> Hmm... say something to me here, so I can test it for xchat
[23:57] <fta> Jazzva, test
[23:57] <Jazzva> Hmm... middle click is not working for me. Only left click, and it moves me automatically to the workspace where xchat is
[23:58] <fta> oops, left click, yes
[23:58] <Jazzva> Not working for Pidgin too... Are you using compiz?
[23:58] <fta> no
[23:58] <fta> metacity
[23:58] <Jazzva> Left click moves me to the active desktop
[23:58] <Jazzva> Hmm... same here
[23:58] <fta> liferea ?
[23:59] <Jazzva> No, metacity
[23:59] <Jazzva> I'll test with liferea
[23:59] <fta> xchat is okay here, but neither liferea nor deluge