[00:34] <smallfoot-> HEEEEEEEEELP BRAINSTORM IS BROKEN
[00:37] <Pici> smallfoot-: log a bug then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website
[00:39] <tretle> whens ubuntu.net going up for testing?
[01:32] <smallfoot-> tretle, what is ubuntu.net?
[02:41] <tretle> the online desktop blueprint for intrepid
[04:09] <mnereson> HI. I have an ubuntu webserver ed with php, mysql, apache, a couple of wordpress blogs. Suddenly tonight, the pc shuts down every 5 minutes. Is there someplace I can look for why?
[04:10] <crimsun> /var/log/syslog
[04:11] <mnereson> crimsun thanks. any ideas as to why all of a sudden this could happen. I have not changed any thing on the server in weeks
[04:15] <crimsun> mnereson: hardware failure, software misconfiguration, ... - there are quite a few possibilities.
[04:57] <bri-h> dumb question - is there an easy way to go from hardy to intrepid alpha without reinstalling from a cd?
[04:57] <crimsun> sure
[04:57] <Luckrider> there is a terminal command, I just don't kno wit
[04:57] <crimsun> you just need to update your apt cache, update, and {dist,full}-upgrade
[04:57] <Luckrider> *know it
[04:58] <crimsun> there are a couple methods of updating your apt cache; the easiest is probably modifying /etc/apt/sources.list directly and changing all "hardy" references to "intrepid"
[05:00] <DanaG> crimsun: random bug I found in PulseAudio: the app 'extace' (a cool spectrum analyzer thingy that uses the esound compatibility) kills the server when the app exits.
[05:00] <DanaG> Somehow, it actually makes pulseaudio segfault.
[05:00] <bri-h> after i do that, do I just apt-get -update
[05:00] <crimsun> err, that's a bug in extace
[05:00] <crimsun> granted, PA can be made more robust
[05:00] <crimsun> that's exactly the same as pavucontrol making pulseaudio sigsegv
[05:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and why does pavumeter not have a "choose a device" dropdown?  That seems a bit silly to me.
[05:06] <crimsun> the gui tools are being overhauled
[05:07] <Qster> there a place to see what is going to be added in intrepid?
[05:12] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I made myself a udev rule to automatically unload snd-emu10k1 when I yank the card.  Now I don't have to worry about OOPSes or Panics.
[05:13] <crimsun> err, it's still oopsing?
[05:13] <DanaG> I had this behavior before I made the udev rule:
[05:13] <DanaG> Insert card: it works.  Remove card: it's fine.  Insert card again: OOPS.  Remove card again: Panic.
[05:14] <DanaG> Oddly enough, it seems like PulseAudio is only sometimes able to grab the surround51 device.
[05:20] <crimsun> likely a config issue for the latter one
[05:26] <DanaG> It'll sometimes say something about the device being busy, or refusing parameters, or something.
[05:26] <bri-h> well here goes - rebooting with intrepid alpha for the first time - if you hear don't hear from me in a few minutes I guess it didn't work
[05:26] <crimsun> right, I uncovered a lot of those trying to chase down 192888.
[05:26] <G_009> !intrepid
[05:27] <crimsun> I'll probably just reorder the entire default.pa in my branch.
[05:28] <DanaG> Aah, the Flash bug.
[05:28] <crimsun> which is fixed in intrepid.
[05:29] <crimsun> it's intractable for hardy*, unfortunately.
[05:29] <DanaG> What's the fix in Intrepid?  There were several proposed solutions.
[05:30] <DanaG> Aah, Flash 10.
[05:30] <WorkingOnWise1> is obex push and a2dp bluetooth going to get some serious attention in Intrepid?
[05:30] <crimsun> we have a fixed Flash 10 beta, and we've gone with libasound2-plugins
[05:30] <G_009> how about that link to download
[05:30] <crimsun> I'm pushing to drop libflashsupport entirely
[05:30] <bri-h> looks like it worked
[05:31] <crimsun> much of that work is ongoing in my bzr branches of alsa-*, pulseaudio, and flashplugin-nonfree
[05:35] <G_009> i always start on beta anyways..
[05:35]  * G_009 chuckles
[05:54] <bri-h> woohoo - running intrepid alpha and all's well
[06:00] <bri-h> I expected more excitement
[06:00] <Qster> !
[06:00] <crimsun> probably due to $time_of_day
[06:05] <bri-h> rgr
[06:27] <bri-h> Good night all --  uname -a
[06:27] <bri-h> Linux brian-laptop 2.6.24-17-generic #1 SMP Thu May 1 13:57:17 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:14] <nekostar> would generating an rsa key on a system thats not had the ssh packages updated via this method: http://osmirror.mirrors.phpclasses.org/browse/package/4121.html generate a vulnerable key?
[10:19] <RAOF> nekostar: I'd guess the answer to be "yes", but since that site wants me to login before I can actually look at anything I can't check.
[10:20] <RAOF> nekostar: If it uses the openssh libs, yes.  Of course, you could just create a key and see if it's vulnerable.
[10:23] <nekostar> yeh
[10:23] <nekostar> are the php libs enough to create the key themselves?
[10:23] <nekostar> or do they need to use a system lib at some point typically?
[10:39] <RAOF> nekostar: They'll almost certainly use a system library at some point.  Writing cryptography routines is _hard
[10:39] <RAOF> So they either use system libs, or you probably should'nt trust them :)
[10:42] <nekostar> yeah
[10:42] <nekostar> that was what i'm thinking
[11:16] <JiaQin> Hi,everyone,can I ask some question about ubuntu 8.04 here?
[11:18] <JiaQin> I want to use the tool "Password and Encryption Keys" to generate keys, but I can not finish the process. When promote me to input passphrase, it hangs up.
[11:19] <JiaQin> Who knows why?
[13:24] <Oslao> Hi
[15:53] <Marco> Hello.  Just how "pre-alpha" is intrepid?
[15:53] <Marco> like debian sid, or more unstable?
[15:54] <danbhfive> I think the first alpha comes out next week
[15:54] <Marco> danbhfive, would you say it's more or less unstable than debian unstable?
[15:55] <danbhfive> Marco: er, it means its broken
[15:55] <gnomefreak> its more unstable than sid
[15:55] <gnomefreak> more unstable than experimental debian atm
[15:55] <Marco> gnomefreak, heh
[15:55] <gnomefreak> please dont go by the release date of alphas to determine if its safe or not
[15:56] <gnomefreak> seeing as theres alot of broken packages atm it may not release without first fixing them
[16:29] <mnereson> Hi. my server edition started shutting down at 20 past the hour yesterday. I checked sys log and it looks like there is some hourly cron job running that results in a shutdown
[16:29] <mnereson> how can I check out the hourly jobs?
[16:31] <zaggy-nl> crontab
[16:32] <zaggy-nl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto <- mnereson
[19:27] <amikrop> Are there any similar instructions to these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbAdslModem/ueagle-atm but for Intrepid (even for Hardy)?
[20:32] <amikrop_> Are there any similar instructions to these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbAdslModem/ueagle-atm for Intrepid (even for Hardy)?
[20:38] <amikrop> Are there any similar instructions for Intrepid (or even for Hardy)? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbAdslModem/ueagle-atm
[23:12] <timing> hey wouldn't it be nice to add a shotdown after upgrade function thing to the update manager?
[23:12] <timing> *shutdown