[00:00] <hubuntu> wholly cow dsas
[00:00] <hubuntu> that I had not seen
[00:00] <Flannel> john-vilsack: content should probably be volunteered (or at least asked permission of), even with liberal licensing.
[00:00] <hubuntu> *holly
[00:00] <owh> hubuntu: You objected to moving past this topic, do you still object?
[00:00] <hubuntu> wonderful!
[00:01] <Flannel> john-vilsack: and perhaps just forwarded to on the wiki, in case of updates/changes/etc instead of mirrored
[00:01] <john-vilsack> Flannel: Agreed, but we are no where near ready to begin getting those I think.
[00:01] <hubuntu> keep on
[00:01] <hubuntu> my point is not too rlevant as of yet
[00:01] <Flannel> john-vilsack: No, I agree with that as well.
[00:01] <pep> Flannel: if we count on loco team action to upload it to us... we do not have tha t problem... but SU has to be on foot before that to happen anyway...
[00:01] <owh> Flannel: Or, just include the text from their page.
[00:01] <pep> I think we are all agreeing on this point.
[00:01] <owh> Right, moving on.
[00:01] <owh> [TOPIC] Discuss and possibly revise the team meeting schedule
[00:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Discuss and possibly revise the team meeting schedule
[00:02] <hubuntu> we need the basic structure (SU) first
[00:02] <owh> As I've been up since 2am to prepare, this item is of particular interest to me. However, if I'm not chairing the meeting, being here at 5am to attend is fine - ie. keep the meeting to 21:00 UTC.
[00:02] <pep> +1 hubuntu ;)
[00:02] <owh> We'll also need to discuss frequency.
[00:02] <Flannel> pep: No, SU is auxiliary to this.  We don't need a separate website, and again, we can go in search of content and then inquire about it.
[00:02] <owh> +1 Flannel
[00:02] <hubuntu> Flannel, I do not agree there
[00:03] <pep> Flannel: I'm not sure it has much sense jsut searching for content, if you don't know where to go and what to do with it...
[00:03] <hubuntu> SU is important as of now to see short time result
[00:03] <hubuntu> s
[00:03] <owh> May I observe that we cannot solve all our issues today, we can flag them and deal with them one at a time.
[00:03] <hubuntu> I have collected lots of content in Spanish and have a wiki page for that
[00:03] <pep> of course..
[00:03] <owh> hubuntu: Is there an action point you want to add?
[00:03] <hubuntu> I have announced it to the Spanish LoCo contacts
[00:03] <hubuntu> but its visibility its doubtful
[00:04] <Flannel> pep: I meant the marketing team finds content, asks about collecting, cataloging, promoting, and so forth.  not some search form.
[00:04] <john-vilsack> I think the meeting time today was fine.
[00:04] <hubuntu> SU would make it a one stop shop
[00:04] <hubuntu> and we need to start that ASAP
[00:04] <pep> Flannel: I see, yes...
[00:04] <owh> hubuntu: Yes, initially our wiki will do that while we find our feet.
[00:04] <hubuntu> I for one am willing to dedicate a lot of time on it if necessary
[00:04] <Flannel> hubuntu: There's no reason it can't be on the Wiki, and you can start today with that.
[00:04] <pep> (our team's aim number one on short term basis should be SU, so +1 on hubuntu
[00:04] <hubuntu> Flannel, as I said I have, theres no point on waiting
[00:05] <hubuntu> we should ask for Su right away
[00:05] <pep> me too am willing to involve in this... but after my exams :D
[00:05] <hubuntu> why wait?
[00:05] <pep> we will ahve to structure our ideas around this in a future meeting
[00:05] <Flannel> hubuntu: You can ask and wait yes, and while doing that, can get started with the wiki
[00:05] <owh> +1 Flannel
[00:05] <Flannel> hubuntu: The wiki has no lead time required, SU has an unknown amount.  Don't need to wait
[00:05] <hubuntu> +1 Flannel
[00:05] <owh> hubuntu: We're not saying that you cannot have SU, just that it will take time.
[00:06] <hubuntu> ask for SU and start collecting material right away
[00:06] <pep> wiki for marketeer usage? or for team usage.
[00:06] <pep> ?
[00:06] <owh> Right, can we get back to our topic please?
[00:06] <hubuntu> SU for marketers, wiki for the team
[00:06] <pep> ok
[00:06] <hubuntu> the time is fine
[00:06] <owh> Is that so for all (still) here?
[00:06] <hubuntu> for me...
[00:06] <owh> What about frequency?
[00:07] <John_B> yes
[00:07] <hubuntu> once a month to make a report
[00:07]  * owh suspects initially once a week, then later spread to once a month.
[00:07] <hubuntu> every 2 weeks to check the pulse
[00:07] <John_B> monthly at lEAST
[00:07] <owh> Keep the meetings short to get stuff going before burn out occurs.
[00:07] <hubuntu> so 3 meetings monthly
[00:07] <pep> I would say once a month.. we have the list the rest of the time...
[00:07] <pep> ah ok, short meetings then :)
[00:08] <pep> and maybe a bigger one once a month
[00:08] <pep> ?
[00:08] <owh> pep: Yeah, not mammoth ones like this one.
[00:08] <pep> ^^
[00:08] <john-vilsack> It all depends.  If we move to make a core marketing team, then they would be having meetings more often to report activity levels.  I think monthly marketing meetings would be fine on top of that, especially considering all groups would be showing activity on the wiki as well.
[00:08] <pep> +1! john-vilsack
[00:08] <owh> john-vilsack: Well we don't yet have agreement on your statement, that's the next topic.
[00:08] <Flannel> owh: If you keep information flowing on the ML, you don't need meetings so frequently.  Especially because once a week is a bit difficult for everyone to make all the time, while mailing list is all inclusive
[00:09] <pep> +1 Flannel too
[00:09] <owh> So there are proposals for Weekly, Fortnightly and Monthly.
[00:09] <pep> I'm not sure it will be very efective more than once a month...
[00:09] <hubuntu> true. +1 Flannel..
[00:09] <owh> Proposal: Meet once a month at 21:00 UTC on Saturday.
[00:10] <hubuntu> owh
[00:10] <pep> good.
[00:10] <john-vilsack> agreed!
[00:10] <John_B> yes
[00:10] <hubuntu> I know this time suits us, but maybe we should give next meeting a shot another time
[00:10] <hubuntu> just the next one, so more people can come
[00:10] <owh> I think that would create confusion.
[00:10] <pep> why? maybe make a poll on a wiki or poll-site and propose it to the list...
[00:10] <hubuntu> another hour.. I'm thinking of VidA
[00:11] <owh> If people want to make a point, they could do that by proxy.
[00:11] <hubuntu> ok...
[00:11] <hubuntu> fair enough
[00:11] <John_B> first Sat of every month 2100 UTC
[00:11] <owh> I suspect that until there are objections we should leave it as is for the moment.
[00:11] <pep> so we agree on the time? it is fine for me, but we could vote if really there are people not able to come...
[00:11] <pep> ok, fine, +1 owh
[00:11] <John_B> keep it regular so people can make adjustments
[00:11] <pep> yes
[00:11] <Flannel> pep: polling can be done on Launchpad, by the way.
[00:11] <john-vilsack> In honor of the Olympics in August, we can move the meeting after next to Bejing time ;)
[00:12] <pep> Flannel: ah yes, true :)
[00:12] <owh> Yuk
[00:12] <owh> So, are we agreed on John_B's definition?
[00:12] <john-vilsack> +1 John_B
[00:12] <owh> Who can schedule the room for that and update the wiki?
[00:13] <John_B> you pay my air fare???LOL
[00:13] <hubuntu> just post the summary in the list and ask people at the frdige to help us with that trick
[00:13] <john-vilsack> If you're comfortable continuing to chair them OWH, why not you?
[00:13] <owh> [ACTION] Schedule the ubuntu-meeting room for the first Saturday of the month at 21:00 UTC - hubuntu
[00:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Schedule the ubuntu-meeting room for the first Saturday of the month at 21:00 UTC - hubuntu
[00:13] <hubuntu> I have no idea who fixed this one, but I just did as I just said
[00:13] <owh> john-vilsack: We'll get to that shortly :)
[00:14] <owh> hubuntu: You can do it again :)
[00:14] <owh> Right, next point.
[00:14] <owh> [TOPIC] Team Structure
[00:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Structure
[00:14] <hubuntu> I'm on vacation in july, but doing it now for the rest of the year should do ;)
[00:14] <pep> critical...
[00:14] <owh> Onto the Team Structure. This item is quite large and I've left it until now because we needed to understand a little about who we are and what we do.
[00:14] <owh> In order to determine the structure, we have several proposals that include a number of roles and titles.
[00:14] <owh> While for some that provides a handy reference, others feel that such things impose too much of a Chiefs and Indians division.
[00:14] <owh> Comments?
[00:15] <hubuntu> egalitarian levels no matter what we do
[00:15] <hubuntu> as in reflecting in the denomination of the people on board the team
[00:15] <pep> yes... but democratically chosen people to frame it all, like owh does here...
[00:15] <owh> My observation is that consensus works better than hierarchy as well.
[00:15] <pep> yes
[00:15] <john-vilsack> In order to have direction, we have to have leadership.  In order to have accountability, we have to have hierarchy.  In order to have balance, we have to have more than one.
[00:15] <Flannel> I propose deferring structure decision until the entire team has a chance to look over the goals/objectives/etc, as that may influence their opinion on adequate structuring.
[00:16] <hubuntu> john-vilsack, most other community teams have a board
[00:16] <hubuntu> countign from 5- up to 8 people (I think)
[00:16] <pep> working on equal basis does not exclude having somebody who can be chairman, etc.... and decisions will be taken by voting...
[00:16] <owh> john-vilsack: Well, yes and no. I am providing leadership by chairing this meeting. I'm accountable because people will notice that I didn't turn up. Hierarchy is not involved.
[00:16] <pep> +1 Flannel
[00:16] <hubuntu> we should go with that I think
[00:16] <Flannel> (although I think 1 month is a long time to deferr initially)
[00:17] <pep> it can be discussed (and will...) on the list I suppose...
[00:17] <hubuntu> and let people vote on posible members of it
[00:17] <john-vilsack> My proposal calls for ten members leading the core-marketing team.  Two would be envoys from other areas, the rest would be volunteers from this group
[00:17] <owh> Well, my next topic was elections and I don't think it would be appropriate to elect anyone today for a number of reasons.
[00:17] <hubuntu> through LP
[00:17] <john-vilsack> owh:  Yes, but it IS a position of responsibility.
[00:17] <owh> john-vilsack: I read that and it concerned me greatly.
[00:18] <hubuntu> agree with owh
[00:18] <john-vilsack> owh: How so?  Its very similar to other projects and not-for profit groups I've worked on.  I'm interested to hear thoughts.
[00:18] <owh> You have to realise that this is a voluntary effort. I got up at 2am to prepare for this meeting. I did it not because anyone told me to, but because I decided to be there.
[00:18] <dsas> I think the team likely needs a short while to see what sticks and mature a little before forming councils and things.
[00:18] <pep> john-vilsack's proposal is good... but might lead to dissapointement and rivality amongst team members... but i join him in thinking that it is necessary...
[00:18] <pep> but it needs time yes!! definitely
[00:18] <Flannel> dsas +1
[00:18] <hubuntu>  dsas +1
[00:18] <pep> +1
[00:19] <owh> dsas: I agree with you also.
[00:19] <hubuntu> it will hapen by itself and leading figures will emerge by naturally
[00:19] <owh> So, let me see if I can come up with something that works here.
[00:19] <john-vilsack> dsas: How can you make things stick if there is no delineated area of responsibility?
[00:19] <dsas> hubuntu: I was about to say that that might happen of its own accord.
[00:19] <pep> owh: the volunteer decision does not dissapear with a strcturing, framing group of people who make sure things don't go out of hand and goal..
[00:19] <dsas> john-vilsack: People will assume responsibility for things they care about.
[00:19] <owh> dsas: +1
[00:20] <owh> I understand that there is a perceived need to have "a board" of some sort. I've just found that it isn't necessary to get stuff done.
[00:20] <hubuntu> john-vilsack, think of the CoC
[00:20] <hubuntu> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[00:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[00:20] <Flannel> john-vilsack: I think the operative term was "short while"
[00:20] <hubuntu> we are really serious about what we do
[00:20] <dsas> The ubuntu-documentation group has no elected leader, no council.
[00:21] <john-vilsack> As a volunteer effort, you have to be aware that people who do not wish responsibility will do things voluntary.  There are those that would be willing to step up and have themselves held accountable for their responsibilities amongst their peers.  It would be these people who sacrifice the freedom to just walk away in an effort to champion the areas that they are responsible for.
[00:21] <owh> And it works really well.
[00:21] <owh> john-vilsack: Sure, but they don't need to be elected for that to happen
[00:21] <pep> no
[00:21] <dsas> what it does have is people who have been working long and hard and have just assumed it in specific areas.
[00:21] <pep> +1 owh
[00:22] <hubuntu> and remeber that even though Mark is sabdfl, we are all here voluntary working on a project he started, but has become ours
[00:22] <Flannel> again, I propose we take this topic to the mailing lists until the next meeting, as our previous decisions today can affect the opinions of those who aren't here, and those who are here as well, once time has passed for it to sink and people to get aquainted.
[00:22] <dsas> (because everyone else assumes t of them)
[00:22] <pep> but if there is no election whatsoever, there is a risk of branches of the team going in diferent directions...
[00:22] <hubuntu> sabdfl as in self appointed benevolent dictator for life
[00:22] <john-vilsack> owh: Documentation has finite boundaries.  What we've discussed here is developing a new, front facing website dedicated to spreading the word of Ubuntu, aggregating existing documentation, forming the basis of relationships between Canonical and through us the LoCos....its a big workload.
[00:22] <pep> +1 Flannel
[00:22] <owh> pep: There is nothing wrong with that.
[00:22] <owh> +1 Flannel
[00:22] <owh> Right, is that done then?
[00:22] <john-vilsack> Not yet.
[00:23] <owh> Sure, what have you got for us?
[00:23] <john-vilsack> Personally, I think we should move to review the different plans and vote to adopt one.  Without it, I feel we are listlessly moving forward no matter how much we think we are accomplishing.
[00:23] <john-vilsack> That can be on the mailing list, but it should be on some agenda somewhere.
[00:23] <owh> john-vilsack: Uhm, I strongly disagree with your assessment.
[00:23] <john-vilsack> even if one of those plans is "the plan to adopt no plan"
[00:24] <Flannel> john-vilsack: We've deferred it until the next meeting, as far as I'm aware (or at least, if my proposal is accepted)
[00:24] <pep> I think it is premature to adopt a plan today.
[00:24] <owh> john-vilsack: This meeting has created a specific list of goals and objectives, agreed to by the people who turned up.
[00:24] <hubuntu> the plan to wait and see what plan comes up and gets endorsement by the group as a whole
[00:25] <hubuntu> +1 Flannel
[00:25] <pep> again, +1 ....
[00:25] <owh> Flannel: You're just talking about the structure right, not goals and objectives.
[00:25] <john-vilsack> So we have a plan to come up with a plan? Or a plan to look at a plan to discuss planning of the plan?
[00:25] <pep> yes
[00:25] <pep> plan to come up with a plan
[00:25] <hubuntu> something like that john-vilsack, yes
[00:26] <Flannel> owh: I'm saying that the goals/objectives we already decided on will shape some peoples ideas of what sort of structure we ought to have.  So yes, the stuff we've decided, has been decided.
[00:26]  * owh is unsure of what is being said here.
[00:26] <hubuntu> I'm not sure which one though...
[00:26] <owh> Flannel: Right, but does john-vilsack understand that to be the case?
[00:26] <pep> is being said: we have said a lot, too much to decide which structure to take on today...
[00:26] <Flannel> owh: Basically, the "how do we want to organize this puppy" is being discussed further, and we'll pick it up (and hopefully decide) next meeting.
[00:26] <owh> I agree
[00:27] <pep> yes
[00:27] <owh> So, let me phrase this then.
[00:27] <john-vilsack> Since we plan on not planning to plan our plan today, I propose that we call for requests from the mailing list to have plans submitted over the course of the next month to be voted on by this group as a whole at the next meeting.
[00:27] <Flannel> john-vilsack: We're discussing on mailing lists for 1 month (until next meeting), at next meeting, it's "already" on the agenda, to decide
[00:27] <hubuntu> john-vilsack, that is just what Flannel proposed
[00:27] <owh> Proposal: Further discussion to the appropriate structure of this team is to be had on the list and to be discussed and decided upon in the next meeting.
[00:28] <pep> +1
[00:28] <hubuntu> lag...
[00:28] <owh> I'm not yet sure that we're talking about the same thing.
[00:28] <john-vilsack> Ok, but just to be clear, hasn't the past month been a discussion of that plan already?  I thought my plan aggregated what I read to an extent.
[00:28] <hubuntu> could maybe add a poll on LP for that to get votes by poeople not making it to the next meeting?
[00:28] <John_B> that's too long of a time frame. we should have the structure in place by next meeting
[00:28] <dsas> The ubuntu community generally works by consensus rather than straight up democracy.
[00:29] <hubuntu> which would be like get a list one week before the meting so we can think and vote
[00:29] <owh> I'm concerned that john-vilsack is talking about more than just the structure of the group.
[00:29] <hubuntu> as we did with the agenda today
[00:29] <Flannel> john-vilsack: We had no well defined goals in that month, now we know what the marketing team is all about.
[00:29] <pep> John_B: I disagree... I join Flannel in thinknig that what has been said should be presented to the rest of the team
[00:30] <pep> and more generally... why are we only like 8 people?
[00:30] <owh> John_B: Decisions are made by those who show up. You were here, you participated.
[00:30] <pep> shouldn't we be more to discuss this important decision? that is why i preconise not deciding today...
[00:30] <Flannel> John_B: I agree that 1 month is a long time, and two weeks would probably be adequate, but we have a meeting in one month, so that makes a convienent place.
[00:30] <owh> pep: Well, the rest had different priorities, there is nothing wrong with that.
[00:30] <hubuntu> a lot of people is watching I believe pep
[00:30] <john-vilsack> owh: The point in contention in my plan that I am concerned with is the development of the core-markters group.
[00:30] <pep> fine.
[00:31] <hubuntu> we need not be more than 8 at this stage anyway... people will adhere to our activities if not formally to the team anyway
[00:31] <Flannel> hubuntu: Generally (the way its handled in other teams) ispeople who can't make the meeting can just indicate their votes ahead of time, and they'll be echoed at the meeting (of course, then they don't get to hear what is discussed at meetings, but it cant be perfct)
[00:31] <John_B> maybe because only 8 people cared enough about the team to make the effort
[00:31] <owh> john-vilsack: Yes, and we're saying that this is a contentious issue that cannot be resolved simply by your proposal.
[00:31] <hubuntu> yes, but the votes on what. and that what must be defined in advance
[00:31] <pep> John_B: I only partially agree..
[00:31] <Flannel> John_B: Or because its odd timing for some people.  Not everyone is in the western hemisphere.
[00:31] <owh> John_B: Well, that's a little harsh. There is a log, there are 121 people in the room, more than 8 people will see our discussion.
[00:32] <pep> dine, so as I see this, we are *not* going to take a decision today about team structure... right?
[00:32] <pep> fine*
[00:32] <owh> +1 pep
[00:32] <john-vilsack> So then let's make it an agenda item for the next meeting:  Vote on and choose a proposed structure for the core-marketing team (if any).
[00:32] <Flannel> hubuntu: Well, the MeetingAgenda should have the different proposals well ahead of time
[00:32] <hubuntu> right pep
[00:32] <pep> it must ne yes, john-vilsack
[00:32] <pep> be*
[00:33] <owh> john-vilsack: We'll get to that in a moment, but yet.
[00:33] <hubuntu> then I agree with Flannel
[00:33] <hubuntu> :)
[00:33] <owh> s/yet/yes/
[00:33] <Flannel> john-vilsack: The "deciding on structure" is already nthe agenda.  Whether that includes a "core marketing team" is eyt to be decided.
[00:33] <pep> (sorry it's 1.33am ^^)
[00:33] <owh> Right, Flannel, can you please state your proposal one last time?
[00:34] <Flannel> I propose we deferr this topic (that of structure and governance) to the mailing lists until the next meeting.
[00:34] <owh> Objections?
[00:34] <Flannel> or sorry.
[00:34] <pep> no
[00:34] <Flannel> I propose that we deferr discussion to the mailing lists, and deferr the topic itself to the next meeting.
[00:35] <owh> +1
[00:35] <pep> correct :)
[00:35] <Flannel> darn those extra 'r's
[00:35] <hubuntu> +1
[00:35] <owh> Flannel: Can you send a message regarding that to the list?
[00:35] <john-vilsack> I disagree.
[00:35] <john-vilsack> I think we need to have something more actionable in place for the next meeting.
[00:35] <Flannel> owh: Someone is already writing a summary of this meeting to the list, correct?
[00:35] <pep> that is why the discussion is being deferred to the list directly
[00:35] <hubuntu> and we do, because the agenda will summarize the discussed points in the list
[00:36] <hubuntu> right?
[00:36] <john-vilsack> By that language, we are deferring only the discussion of the plan to create the structure, not the plan to vote on the structure proposals in the first place.
[00:36] <owh> Flannel: Well, yes, there was a scribe, but they seemed to have vanished, so I'll be taking volunteers shortly.
[00:36] <Flannel> john-vilsack: the voting will take place at the meeting.
[00:37] <hubuntu> the scribe can still do the job with a log file
[00:37] <pep> well, then set an ultimatum.... deferring discussion and concrete proposals on the agenda for next meeting...
[00:37] <owh> Proposal: I propose that we defer discussion to the mailing lists, and defer the topic and vote itself to the next meeting.
[00:37] <pep> decision wil be taken
[00:37] <hubuntu> +1 owh
[00:37] <Flannel> john-vilsack: instead of "discuss here, vote now", discuss on ML, vote at next meeting.
[00:37] <john-vilsack> +1 owh
[00:37] <pep> +1
[00:37] <Flannel> +1
[00:37] <John_B> 0
[00:37] <owh> Flannel: Happy with that?
[00:37] <owh> John_B: Comments?
[00:38] <pep> slow writer? :)
[00:39] <owh> While John_B is formulating his thoughts, Flannel, can I ask you to write that separately to the list?
[00:39] <hubuntu> sleeping
[00:39] <hubuntu> ;)
[00:39] <Flannel> owh: No problem
[00:40] <owh> [ACTION] Flannel to send message to the list to announce that we will defer discussion to the mailing lists, and defer the topic and vote itself to the next meeting
[00:40] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Flannel to send message to the list to announce that we will defer discussion to the mailing lists, and defer the topic and vote itself to the next meeting
[00:40] <owh> Right, John_B were you going to comment?
[00:40] <pep> I think he is afk...
[00:40] <owh> Ok, we'll move on.
[00:41] <owh> So, that concludes the agenda. Are there any other items remaining for discussion?
[00:41] <owh> Excellent :)
[00:41] <hubuntu> anyone has an idea on how to ask for Spread Ubuntu?
[00:41] <pep> ask?
[00:41] <hubuntu> Launchpad with Canonical SYsadmins or what?
[00:42] <pep> what for?
[00:42] <pep> what do you want them to give you?
[00:42] <hubuntu> start collecting material AND ask for SU
[00:42] <hubuntu> was the agreement if I'm not wrong
[00:42] <owh> hubuntu: Initially I would contact elmo.
[00:42] <hubuntu> elmo, ok
[00:42] <owh> hubuntu: Do you want me to make you an action point for that?
[00:42] <pep> well SU should be developed, thought and discussed of, and created, before redirecting the URL anyway...
[00:43] <john-vilsack> We would probably want to have some proof of concept online for them to see, or at least ask for how we can repoint it once we have something.
[00:43] <owh> Personally, I think we should focus on getting our wiki content in order first.
[00:43] <pep> yes... we should start a ML thread and set a team up around SU ...
[00:43] <owh> Ok, any final comments before I close the meeting?
[00:44] <pep> we can do both.. setting up a team for SU does not exclude the wiki work and progress...
[00:44] <John_B> no
[00:44] <pep> no other comments...
[00:44] <john-vilsack> No, thanks for taking care of it owh.  I'm just happy to be here and be a part of this!
[00:44] <hubuntu> sorry
[00:44] <hubuntu> compiz killed me'
[00:44] <owh> hubuntu: Do you want me to make you an action point to investigate SU?
[00:44] <pep> hubuntu: <pep> yes... we should start a ML thread and set a team up around SU ... <owh> Personally, I think we should focus on getting our wiki content in order first. <pep> we can do both.. setting up a team for SU does not exclude the wiki work and progress...
[00:45] <pep> hubuntu: <john-vilsack> We would probably want to have some proof of concept online for them to see, or at least ask for how we can repoint it once we have something.
[00:45] <hubuntu> I believe pep and I will do it and report to the list,m right pep?
[00:45] <pep> that's about it :)
[00:45] <owh> [ACTION] hubuntu and pep to investigate spreadubuntu.com and report to the list.
[00:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  hubuntu and pep to investigate spreadubuntu.com and report to the list.
[00:46]  * hubuntu gives high five to pep!
[00:46] <owh> Thank you all for your attendance and again for your hard work. There is more to come.
[00:46] <pep> yes, fine... I am in exams very actively until the 23rd though, I took tonight off and should go to sleep, it is already almost 2am^^ so I'll be active from then on mostly...
[00:46] <hubuntu> hei owh thanks for your wonderful work and commitment
[00:46]  * pep gives high five back!
[00:46] <pep> and thanks owh...
[00:46] <owh> #endmeeting
[00:46] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:48.
[00:46] <hubuntu> really.. 2 am that's just remarkably good
[00:46] <pep> good work
[00:46] <john-vilsack> Thanks all.  Take care and I'll see you on the ML
[00:47] <owh> Can someone please mail me their log, so I can reconstruct the netsplit part?
[00:47] <owh> s/someone/a few of you/
[00:47] <hubuntu> I am going to take a look at the SU stuff right now
[00:47] <hubuntu> my log got truncated by compiz...
[00:47] <hubuntu> sorry :(
[00:47] <pep> owh: my log is small actually :/
[00:47] <pep> I'll check
[00:48] <hubuntu> the bot must have it
[00:48] <hubuntu> some bot at least
[00:48] <pep> I'm afraid I have lost it
[00:48] <owh> hubuntu: Well there was a time when the bot wasn't in the room
[00:48] <hubuntu> there are several bots here
[00:48] <hubuntu> :)
[00:48] <Flannel> owh: Whats your email?
[00:48] <owh> onno@itmaze.com.au
[00:49] <owh> Flannel: Tah.
[00:49] <owh> Thanks all, later...
[00:49] <hubuntu> peace
[00:49] <pep> see you
[00:49] <pep> I'm off also.. get some sleep...
[00:50] <hubuntu> how long have we been here?
[00:50] <pep> bye hubuntu, we'll keep in touch
[00:50] <hubuntu> almost 3 hours...
[00:50] <hubuntu> yes pep, your email?
[00:50] <pep> pvorhagen@gmail.com
[00:50] <hubuntu> or name on the ML?
[00:50] <pep> I am often on IRC
[00:50] <pep> Pierre Vorhagen, I never wrote to the u-marketing ML to tell the truth :)
[00:51] <hubuntu> I'll see yupou around in this channel then
[00:51] <pep> I never found a topic very interesting, a lot of blah...
[00:51] <hubuntu> what can I say... I like blah
[00:51] <pep> hubuntu: I am in #ubuntu-marketing
[00:51] <hubuntu> pep: so am I
[00:51] <pep> see you later guys, bb
[00:52] <hubuntu> bb
[00:52] <hubuntu> ok people, thanks for showing up
[00:52] <hubuntu> get some rest
[00:52] <Flannel> .
[00:52] <hubuntu> bye