[01:09] <dasKreeCh> nixternal: ping
[01:14] <dasKreeCh> Hello
[01:15] <nixternal> dasKreeCh: pong?
[01:15] <nixternal> gettin' ready to eat
[01:16] <nixternal> was workin' on my brother's roof all day fixing what the tornado decided to take away yesterday
[01:16] <nixternal> brb
[01:16] <dasKreeCh> nixternal: Does the IE in vista have a default visible File Edit view Menu?
[01:40] <nixternal> dasKreeCh: I have no clue
[01:41] <dasKreeCh> :-P
[01:41] <dasKreeCh> whats the point of all the Vista knowledge if you are clueless?
[01:42] <nixternal> cuz it is wonderful
[01:43] <dasKreeCh> For you. HOw do I get in on that
[02:30] <dasKreeCh> Anyone knows if Krita in KDE4 does JPG?
[02:33] <santiago-ve> guys is tyhe tutorial day going to happen?
[02:33] <jjesse_> nixternal: i'm glad you are so pro microsoft
[02:33] <santiago-ve> or taht's still in progress?
[02:33]  * jjesse_ cackles
[03:03] <nixternal> jjesse: it is Micro$haft, get it right! :P
[03:06] <Jucato> ahem. Microvell
[03:06] <Jucato> you shill
[03:07] <nixternal> haha
[03:07] <nixternal> if only he realized just how far Linux has gotten because of Microvell
[03:07] <nixternal> then maybe he would shut up
[03:08] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/ <- working on updating my site
[07:05] <daskreecH> Ahhhh
[07:05] <daskreecH> I've been spoilt
[10:13] <xt> konsole seems bugged with the beta packages with ubuntu, is it a known issue? Parts of the konsole is not updating with the rest at "redraws"
[10:19] <hads> I see the same thing.
[10:20] <xt> crazy annoying, since kde4-konsole is so good (:
[10:27] <Serega> does anybody use intrepid chroot?
[10:27] <\sh> Serega: for my sbuilds, yes
[10:28] <Serega> \sh: sbuilds?
[10:28] <\sh> Serega: apt-cache show sbuild  ;)
[10:30] <xt> hads: do you know if it's a kde bug or a kubuntubug?
[10:30]  * Serega writes to the TODO: "get acqainted with this stuff" :)
[10:30] <hads> xt: No I'm not sure, I haven't searched the bug trackers.
[10:30] <Serega> \sh: could you please tkae a brief look at my problem with pbuilder ant intrepid chroot? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1042731
[10:32] <\sh> Serega: hmmm...aptitude is evil..use apt-get ,-)
[10:33] <\sh> Serega: no really..
[10:33] <\sh> #
[10:33] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:33] <\sh> #
[10:33] <\sh>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libfluidsynth-dev which is a virtual package.
[10:33] <\sh> that's what's bugging you
[10:33] <Serega> \sh: oohhh
[10:33] <Serega> \sh: how did you find that?!
[10:33] <Serega> :)_
[10:34] <\sh> Serega: /me can read :)
[10:34] <\sh> Serega: and again: please change from aptitude to apt-get in pbuilder
[10:35] <Serega> \sh: but what this actually means? there is no such package in intrepid yet? or just a b0rk of aptitude?
[10:35]  * Serega modifies .pbuilderrc
[10:35] <\sh> I would say the latter
[10:35] <\sh> or libfluidsynth-dev is not installable because of something b0rked
[10:36] <\sh> but pbuilder fools you with the wrong message ;)
[10:37] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:37] <smarter> Serega: libfluidsynth-dev is in universe, do you have universe enabled in your pbuilderrc?
[10:38] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[10:38] <Serega> smarter: if it isn't enabled by "pbuilder create" then no :)
[10:38] <Serega> \sh: PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDS=classic, right?
[10:38] <smarter> so enable it and don't blame aptitude :)
[10:39] <smarter> Serega: doesn't really matter
[10:40] <Serega> smarter: thank you
[10:40]  * Serega can't find where the chroot actually lays :)
[10:41] <smarter>  /var/<something/pbuilder I think
[10:41] <smarter> but you have to enable universe in the pbuilderrc iirc
[10:42] <\sh> smarter: it matters...aptitude is evil :) and does things you don't expect...
[10:42] <Serega> iirc?
[10:42] <smarter> I had this issue some time ago and the error message of pbuilder really confused me :p
[10:42] <Serega> usually I use apt-get&frined
[10:42] <Serega> *friends
[10:42] <smarter> Serega: IIRC -> If I Recall Correctly
[10:43] <smarter> \sh: I've always used aptitude and neved had a problem :p
[10:43] <smarter> and I think that Debian recommends aptitude
[10:46] <\sh> smarter: well, the buildds are not using it, so it behaves totally different from that...I mean it doesn't really matter, because pbuilder do behave differently, too :)
[10:46] <Serega> thank you, guys, you re the best
[10:47] <Serega> *are
[11:46] <Jucato> gah! now I have to think of a different site idea... nixternal got mine (except for the chicago outline...)
[12:22] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:22] <nixternal> this early stuff is for the birds!
[12:23]  * Jucato chirps
[12:23] <nixternal> no doubt
[12:23] <Jucato> oh wait, it's 19:18 here
[12:23] <nixternal> 06:23
[12:23] <nixternal> woke up at 05:00
[12:25] <jussi01> 1425 here
[12:25] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[12:26] <Jucato> @now manila
[12:27] <Jucato> not that far :)
[12:49] <nixternal> hrmm, KMail doesn't work with Exchange server at all does it?
[12:49] <Riddell> yuriy: I don't think we're going to find a time for tutorials day which satisfies everyone, I think we'll have to drop your talk :(
[12:51] <ScottK> nixternal: IIRC it'll work for IMAP mail, but not any of the 'groupware' stuff.
[12:51] <Nightrose> Riddell: maybe txwikinger can do it instead?
[12:51] <nixternal> groovy
[12:51] <nixternal> how can a Linux shop be using MES
[12:51] <txwikinger> what?
[12:52] <Nightrose> txwikinger: bug talk
[12:52] <Nightrose> for the tutorial day
[12:52] <txwikinger> Nightrose: Isn't that on Sunday?
[12:52] <nixternal> out of 40+ people, I would say 10 use Microsoft, the rest use Ubuntu or Xubuntu, and I will use...guess? :)
[12:52] <Nightrose> it is i think
[12:52] <txwikinger> What time? I am flying back from Germany that day
[12:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: ^
[12:54]  * txwikinger is lookin gfor his itenary
[12:54] <Nightrose> hmm i wanted to try mailody but seems like i can't because akonadi server wont start and i also can't start it using the akonaditray - anyone experiencing the same problem?
[12:56]  * txwikinger has far too much paperwork
[12:56] <nixternal> Nightrose: you have to stop apparmor
[12:57] <nixternal> re: look at what wstephens and I are talking about
[12:57] <Nightrose> nixternal: ahhh thx - yea seen it
[12:59]  * txwikinger has found the disconcerting letter from the Army
[12:59] <txwikinger> Well I am supposed to be back at the airport 20:40 UK time on Sunday
[13:00] <txwikinger> Anything after 22:00 UK probably works
[13:00] <Riddell> txwikinger: currently down as 23:00UTC
[13:00] <txwikinger> Riddell: That is midnight BST, right?
[13:01] <nixternal> Riddell: is there a Tutorials Day page yet?
[13:01] <txwikinger> Yes it is
[13:02] <Riddell> txwikinger: yes
[13:02] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/Prep
[13:02] <txwikinger> Riddell: yes ok... if yuriy is not able to do it, I can jump in... barring any plane crashes
[13:02] <Riddell> txwikinger: excellent, yuriy that ok with you?
[13:03] <nixternal> ok, I am tired of the Konqi "Restore/Do Not Restore" stuff every time I fire up konqi in kde 4.1
[13:03] <Nightrose> nixternal: +1
[13:03] <Riddell> +1
[13:03]  * txwikinger thinks nixternal should not play with fire so much
[13:04]  * Hobbsee sets the vistalover on fire
[13:04]  * txwikinger cheers Hobbsee on
[13:04] <nixternal> hahahaha
[13:04] <Hobbsee> rotten vistalover.
[13:04]  * Nightrose gets the fire brigade :P
[13:04] <nixternal> dang txwikinger, thanks for the love!
[13:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :P
[13:04] <nixternal> that was funny
[13:04] <txwikinger> nixternal: Always concerned about your health :D
[13:05] <nixternal> I could just picture him sitting there like beavis and butthead yelling "fire! fire! heh heh fire!"
[13:05] <Nightrose> haha
[13:05] <nixternal> first day of real paid work, and I am ready to quit :P
[13:12] <nixternal> nixternal->work();
[13:12] <nixternal> sounds scary
[13:12] <nixternal> later!
[13:13] <txwikinger> Function not found error :P
[13:13] <nixternal> exactly!
[13:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: filelight couldn't sync incase you missed that
[13:27] <etretyak> For the Tutorials Day we need to have finished Intrepid Specs (for the first part: Getting involved)? Isn't it?
[13:27] <etretyak> Riddell: ^^^
[13:29] <Riddell> etretyak: we have specs
[13:29] <etretyak> Are they already approved?
[13:29] <etretyak> Or it is not necessary?
[13:30] <Riddell> we should be responsible enough to effectively approve our own specs
[13:51] <jjesse> good morning
[13:56] <etretyak> Hi jjesse
[14:02] <jjesse> hello etretyak
[14:03] <etretyak> Riddell: so how about Todo page? Who should update it? I want to start development for Intrepid ;-) But I don't know what task can/should I take...
[14:05] <Riddell> etretyak: updating that is on my list of things to do today
[14:06] <etretyak> Riddell: great! thanks!
[14:07] <jjesse> a todo list that contains todos
[14:07] <jjesse> i love that
[14:08]  * Riddell cheers as kdebase-workspace builds in intrepid
[14:08]  * jjesse cheers as Riddell cheers
[14:13] <Hobbsee> \o/
[14:21] <yuriy> Riddell, txwikinger: sure
[14:33] <yuriy> Riddell: going to move the rest of 4.0.5 to backports soon?
[14:34] <Riddell> yuriy: I moved kdebindings-kde4 kdesdk-kde4
[14:34] <Riddell> anything else missing?
[14:36] <yuriy> Riddell: not picking up kdebindings from archive.u.c here
[14:39] <Riddell> yuriy: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings-kde4 says it's there
[14:39] <Riddell> probably just needs published
[14:42] <yuriy> why does that say main?
[14:43] <Riddell> consequence of being moved from a PPA I guess
[14:43] <Riddell> backports is all unsupported so it doesn't mean anything
[15:17] <Arby> Riddell: do I need to do anything more with ktorrent or is it uploaded now?
[15:20] <Riddell> Arby: seems to be dep-wait on Dependencies:
[15:20] <Riddell> libqca2-dev
[15:20] <Arby> Riddell: which means it won't build until that package is available, correct?
[15:21] <Riddell> until it's in main
[15:21] <Riddell> hmm, fancy writing a main inclusion report?
[15:21] <Arby> Riddell: no idea how but I can try
[15:21] <Arby> well when I get home from work I can
[15:21] <Arby> Riddell: is that process documented somewhere?
[15:22]  * Arby pokes the wiki
[15:22] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionProcess should explain it
[15:22] <Riddell> random example https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportLibnova
[15:25] <Arby> Riddell: ok I'll work on that this evening
[15:25] <Arby> expect the usual flurry of questions
[15:26] <Riddell> thanks Arby, sorry that this has ended up more complex than I expected
[15:26] <Arby> Riddell: no problem
[15:26] <Arby> I just get to learn lots of things all at once
[15:26] <Arby> :)
[15:27] <Arby> I'm thinking about trying for membership sometime soon so this is all good stuff
[15:27] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: around?
[15:28] <Riddell> Arby: great
[15:30] <Nightrose> Arby: if you need help like review of your wiki page please say so
[15:30] <Arby> Nightrose: thanks but I haven't even started yet :)
[15:30] <Nightrose> Arby: hehe yea thought so
[15:30] <Arby> just something that's in my mind "at some point"
[15:31] <Nightrose> was more an offer for when you wrote it
[15:31] <Arby> and much appreciated to :)
[15:31] <Nightrose> anyway - /me takes a nap
[15:31] <Arby> I need to gather more people who've seen my work
[15:31] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: since I have to go, take a look at this screencast: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1437949_gluha/kgrubeditor.ogv
[15:31] <Arby> as it's mostly riddell that gets everything currently
[15:32] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: nothing really important, only the things we were talking about
[17:47] <daskreech> Riddell: Can Kubuntu request items for the Canonical store?
[17:51] <Riddell> daskreech: we can try, got any good ideas?
[17:51] <daskreech> Kubuntu Bikinis :)
[17:52] <daskreech> Well how does the proces work?
[17:52] <daskreech> do we make items up and send them in to the store or can we request kubuntu variants of what they have?
[17:52] <daskreech> If we make a suggestion for someting would it just be branded Ubuntu and put up?
[17:56] <Riddell> we'd probably have to come up with a design
[17:57] <daskreech> Ok sounds good
[17:57]  * daskreech votes kubuntu Bikins :)
[17:57] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-tutorials-day.png
[17:57] <Riddell> better graphic design skills welcome
[18:05] <Nightrose> daskreech: will you wear it and make photos? :P
[18:05] <Nightrose> but yea - it would be cool to be able to buy kubuntu merch there
[18:06] <daskreech> Nightrose: not needed they have no human imagery on the store
[18:06] <daskreech> Ironic eh?
[18:06] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:08] <Riddell> how does this look? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[18:08] <daskreech> I was also pitching Kubuntu flavours body paint but I dunno  that's a harder sell :-D
[18:10] <Nightrose> Riddell: looks good :) - maybe mention what the goal and target group is?
[18:11] <Nightrose> daskreech: kubuntu flavoured? /me wonders how that would taste like ;-)
[18:12] <daskreech> Squash the beasties :)
[18:12] <Arby> Riddell: maybe some links to How to triage in the reading section?
[18:13] <Nightrose> What's happening in Intrepid and how can you join? Artwork, documentation, packaging, programming, and more <- last comma should go
[18:17] <Riddell> Arby: URL?
[18:20] <Riddell> found it
[18:20] <yuriy> HelpingWithBugs and Bugs/HowToTriage
[18:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: why couldn't filelight sync?
[18:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: different .orig files
[18:26]  * apachelogger is wondering why
[18:26] <apachelogger> well, I'll merge then
[18:28] <yuriy> tutorials day in here, not #ubuntu-classroom?
[18:30] <yuriy> I'm looking at txwikinger's talk from last time and it looks like the ask questions in another channel style they usually do for these things in #ubuntu-classroom + #ubuntu-classroom-chat would have been helpful
[18:31] <Nightrose> true but it is a good idea to get people into this channel - some of them will stay probably
[18:32] <txwikinger> yuriy: That is very helpful if you have a lot of people like during UbuntuWeek
[18:33] <txwikinger> If there are not too many people asking question it might just create another layer of administration which does not necessarily brings additional benefit
[18:33] <txwikinger> So.. I am fine with either
[18:34] <daskreech> plus nixternal can probably out type however many people are in there asking questions
[18:35] <txwikinger> haha
[18:37] <yuriy> txwikinger: looks like you ran out of time, good thing it's an hour this time
[18:37] <txwikinger> yuriy: Yes .. 1/2 was very tight last time
[18:37] <txwikinger> And we have now some additional stuff to refer to
[19:44] <Riddell> etretyak, all: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[19:48] <ScottK> So I was at my brother-in-law's yesterday chatting with the boyfriend of a neice.  It was nice to find out he uses Kubuntu.  I've known him for a couple of years, but it's never come up before.
[19:48] <Riddell> it's spreading
[19:48] <ScottK> He was pretty shocked to discover we've switched to KDE 4.1 for Intrepid though.
[19:49] <ScottK> I explianed the rationale and while I think he understood why, he's pretty skeptical about how it will turn out (he's tried the 4.1 beta packages for Hardy).
[19:49] <Riddell> we need to get our messaging clear about intrepid, it's ment to be a scary/exciting release, that's the whole point
[19:50] <daskreech> Intrepid ?
[19:52] <jjesse_> hence the name intrepid?
[19:52] <ScottK> "The release for Intrepid Adventurers" or something like that.
[19:55] <daskreech> ScottK: with a nice SVG pic of a ibex in a bushjacket with a magnifying glass
[19:58] <ScottK> With a tiger sneaking up behind.
[20:01] <daskreech> :-)
[20:03] <ScottK> Intrepid Ibex in the jungle of KDE4.  Sometimes you eat the tiger, sometimes the tiger eats you.  Which will it be?  Find out.  Upgrade today.
[20:03] <Arby> Riddell: is it libqca2 or libqca2-dev that needs an MIR?
[20:03] <Arby> or both?
[20:03] <daskreech> Ha ha ha that's a great tagline
[20:04] <daskreech> and would stop the insane cursing that I heard about LTS
[20:04] <ScottK> Arby: MIR the source package.
[20:04] <Riddell> qca2
[20:05] <Arby> so this then http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qca2 ?
[20:06] <Riddell> yes
[20:10] <jjesse_> ScottK: that's a great slogan... can i steal it :)
[20:10] <ScottK> Sure.
[20:13] <Arby> is there a list somewhere of the complete list of supported architectures?
[20:13] <Arby> I only see i386 and amd64 for the newest version
[20:13] <Arby> should there be more?
[20:14] <Arby> or are powerpc etc not officially supported
[20:17] <ScottK> Only i386 and AMD64 are officially supported.
[20:17] <ScottK> With the exception of hppa, the unofficial archs are all in pretty good shape.
[20:18] <daskreech> #ubuntu-ps3 :)
[20:18] <Arby> so I can say that it is available for all architectures yes?
[20:19] <daskreech> not officially
[20:19] <daskreech> but it can be installed for most yes
[20:19] <daskreech> all would be netBSD
[20:21] <Arby> next question, how do I find out if any binaries run as root/suid
[20:21] <Arby> ?
[20:22] <ScottK> Arby: Back one question: You can see here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/qca2/2.0.0-4 that it built on all archs.
[20:23] <Arby> ScottK: ah, gotcha. thanks
[20:27] <nixternal> man, I haven't used KDE 3 in a long time
[20:29]  * Nightrose likes the kubuntu(-de) love there: http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/ ;-)
[20:43] <Arby> how do I choose between frenetic/vigorous/calm/dead for upstream development?
[20:43] <ScottK> You look at how often they release and how active they are and make a judgement.
[20:44] <Arby> upstream in this case and should upstream be kde or http://delta.affinix.com/qca
[20:44] <Arby> gah gibberish sorry
[20:44] <Arby> should upstream be kde or http://delta.affinix.com/qca
[20:44] <ScottK> qca
[20:44] <Arby> ok
[20:47] <Arby> would that be considered calm or vigorous --> http://delta.affinix.com/download/qca/2.0/ ?
[20:47] <Arby> I'd say calm, regular and frequent releases of various components
[20:47] <Arby> opinions welcome
[20:49] <ScottK> I'd go with calm
[20:49] <Arby> thanks
[21:06] <etretyak> Riddell: I want to take "guidance mount config".. and "system-config-printer-kde"
[21:18] <Arby> for this MIR if the debian source package has unittests that are run by make test.
[21:18] <Arby> does that mean tests are run in the build
[21:18] <Arby> ?
[22:06] <Arby> Riddell: MIR so far https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2#preview
[22:06] <Arby> and anyone else who doesn't mind advising
[22:06] <danimo> hi
[22:06] <Arby> I know the bug number isn't done yet
[22:06] <Arby> I need help finding the remaining information
[22:09] <daskreech> Are 4.0.5 packages up?
[22:09] <Serega> has anyone already packaged kcoloredit from the extragear?
[22:10] <Nightrose> daskreech: yury packaged them afaik
[22:10] <Nightrose> yuriy even
[22:10] <daskreech> so should I take silence on kubuntu.org to mean they are not fit for the pudding yet?
[22:11] <Nightrose> *shrug*
[22:11]  * Nightrose is on beta 1 ;-)
[22:11] <yuriy> daskreech: they're in backports, i think that's as fit as they're gonna get
[22:12] <daskreech> yuriy: So there should be a kubuntu.org post?
[22:12] <yuriy> daskreech: dunno. Riddell?
[22:13] <Serega> can I already upgrade to intrepid?
[22:13]  * Serega dislikes chroot
[22:14] <Nightrose> Serega: last i heard it was not advisable to do that yet
[22:15] <Serega> ah... :(
[22:18] <danimo> while packaging an old kde3 application (new) I found the admin dir in the upstream package is outdated
[22:18] <danimo> how can I force debuild to run make -f admin/Makefile.common after applying the patches?
[22:18] <danimo> new == from scratch
[22:18] <Serega> danimo: redefine patch target?
[22:19] <danimo> Serega: hmm?
[22:19] <Serega> danimo: what patch system do you use in the package?
[22:20] <danimo> Serega: so far I simply did a manual patch between the two admin dirs (the existing one and then new one that I took from svn), and placed it into admin/patches
[22:21]  * Serega have never seen kde3 packages
[22:21] <Serega> *has
[22:22] <danimo> Riddell? apachelogger? \sh? Czessi? :-)
[22:25] <Serega> why does cdbs source tar contains both Makefile.am and Makefile.in... :(
[22:25] <danimo> Serega: hmm?
[22:25] <Serega> danimo: just complaining :)
[22:26] <Serega> danimo: you can unpack https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/cdbs/0.4.52ubuntu1/+files/cdbs_0.4.52ubuntu1.tar.gz and see this
[22:27] <Serega> ah... damn
[22:27] <Serega> time to sleep :)
[22:28] <Riddell> m hi danimo
[22:28] <Riddell> Serega: KDE 3 source tars do too
[22:29] <Riddell> yuriy: yo, lets
[22:30] <Serega> Riddell: thats right, it should be :) unless source is distributed without configure script generated at all
[22:30] <danimo> Riddell: read my whinings?
[22:30]  * Serega just  missed
[22:32] <Serega> hm... looks like cdbs doesn't support kde4 class yet
[22:32] <Riddell> danimo: I would just run make -f debian/rules buildprep if it uses cdbs kde.mk
[22:33] <Serega> or maybe kcoloredit should be considered a 'cmake' package
[22:33] <danimo> it does
[22:33] <danimo> Riddell: it does that?
[22:34] <Riddell> Serega: for kde 4 packages get kde.mk from kde4libs
[22:34] <Riddell> in intrepid
[22:34] <Riddell> danimo: pardon?
[22:34] <Serega> Riddell: thanks, Jonathan!
[22:36] <danimo> Riddell: but that doesn't apply patches and run make -f admin/Makefile.common
[22:37] <Riddell> danimo: that's exactly what it should do
[22:37] <Riddell> what does it do?
[22:38] <danimo> Riddell: doesn't apply patches first
[22:38] <danimo> Riddell: maybe I just do something wrong :)
[22:38] <Riddell> danimo: can you pastebin your debian/rules file?
[22:38] <daskreech> Riddell: should 4.0.5 be on Kubuntu.org ?
[22:39] <Riddell> daskreech: it will be when the web cache refreshes
[22:39] <daskreech> ^_^
[22:40] <danimo> Riddell: only includes debhelper.mk, autotools.mk and kde.mk
[22:41] <Riddell> danimo: if you look at the bottom of /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[22:41] <Riddell> buildprep should be pretty clear
[22:41] <danimo> yepp
[22:42] <Riddell> danimo: you should also  include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[22:42] <danimo> ah!
[22:43] <danimo> yay
[22:45] <Serega> yuriy: are you really already packaged kcoloredit?
[22:45] <danimo> damn, almost :)
[22:46] <danimo> /usr/bin/make -C obj-i486-linux-gnu -k distclean
[22:46] <danimo> make: Entering an unknown directory
[22:46] <danimo> make: *** obj-i486-linux-gnu: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[22:46] <danimo> Riddell: any idea how that can happen?
[22:48] <Riddell> mmm
[22:48] <Riddell> cdbs should just do the right thing
[22:48] <danimo> yepp
[22:48] <danimo> should
[22:49] <daskreech> >_<
[22:49] <daskreech> Are we going to patch Kmix to have middle click be open Mixer instead of mute for KDE4 ?
[22:49] <Riddell> daskreech: why?
[22:50] <Arby> Riddell: when you can spare a minute. need help finding the remaining information for MIR https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2#preview
[22:50] <Arby> doesn't have to be tonight
[22:50] <daskreech> cause that's what it did in KDE3
[22:51] <randy_> Is KDE 4.1 final in Kubuntu next month, will it be possible to customize keyboard shortcuts again?   And will it restore the Alt-F1 key for invoking the Kmenu?  My understanding is that other distros using KDE 4.1 beta 1 have these things working, but Hardy doesn't.
[22:51] <Riddell> danimo: try not including autotools.mk ?
[22:53] <txwikinger> Is it already known that kde4libs-bin has a dependency problem on http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu main
[22:53] <Riddell> Arby: Any binaries running as root or suid/sgid ? Any daemons ?  should be no
[22:53] <Arby> Riddell: OK but how would I find that out
[22:54] <Riddell> Arby: look at the files in the packages
[22:54] <Riddell> in debian/*install
[22:54] <Riddell> there's only one binary and that's not run as root
[22:54] <Riddell> nor is a daemon
[22:55] <danimo> Riddell: nope
[22:55] <danimo> didn't help
[22:55] <daskreech> randy_: None of that stuff was in beta 1 I think
[22:55] <Riddell> Arby: "Does it handle incoming network data ?" not sure on that one, I don't think it does
[22:55] <daskreech> they were added a few days later so you should be good
[22:56] <Serega> Riddell: did you mean debian/cdbs/kde.mk from the kde4libs?
[22:56] <Riddell> Serega: yes
[22:56] <Riddell> and the other files in that directory
[22:56] <Serega> :(
[22:56] <randy_> daskreech: Thanks...so I'll look for the change in the next update...or 4.1 final at the latest.
[22:56] <Serega> understand
[22:57] <Riddell> danimo: are you able to put the package somewhere for me to try?
[22:57] <Serega> Riddell: I thought it is already merged to the cdbs
[22:57] <Serega> Riddell: why not? maybe I merge thi into cdbs?
[22:57] <Arby> Riddell: I assume it doesn't process binary data?
[22:57] <Riddell> Arby: I'd assume it does, it's all about cryptography which is full of binary data
[22:58] <Riddell> "source code review performed ?" I always answer no
[22:58] <Arby> ah, ignorance strikes again. the examples are all video and audio
[22:58] <Riddell> "always work out of the box without configuration" else it's a pretty poor package
[23:01] <Arby> Riddell: how would I find out what if any debconf questions it asks?
[23:01] <Riddell> if there's any .config files in debian/ in the packaging
[23:02] <Arby> seems not then
[23:04] <Arby> Riddell: look OK now? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2?action=show
[23:05] <Arby> apart from the bug number
[23:05] <Riddell> Arby: perfect
[23:05] <Arby> cool I'll file the bug then
[23:05] <Arby> Is that it or do I need to bug somebody to process it?
[23:06] <Riddell> you could politely poke pitti
[23:06] <danimo> Riddell: http://developer.kde.org/~danimo/kubuntu/kovpn
[23:06]  * Serega carefully touches Riddell
[23:14] <Riddell> danimo: works for me using..
[23:14] <Riddell> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[23:14] <Riddell> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[23:14] <Riddell> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[23:18] <Riddell> danimo: rm debian/*.ex debian/*.E
[23:18] <Riddell> danimo: rm debian/*.ex debian/*.EX
[23:18] <Riddell> /usr/share/applnk/Utilities/kovpn.desktop should be patched to be xdg standard
[23:18] <Arby> Riddell: all done.
[23:18] <Arby> Riddell: I don't understand step 5 on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionProcess
[23:19] <Arby> how do I do that and do I have to wait for review from ubuntu-mir first?
[23:20] <Riddell> Arby: you're done that, it already is a build-dep for ktorrent
[23:20] <Arby> ah ok I see
[23:20] <Arby> Riddell: what's up next for packaging/merging then?
[23:20] <Arby> (tomorrow)
[23:22] <Riddell> any of these I guess ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.80/src/extragear
[23:23] <danimo> Riddell: which would be donw how?
[23:23] <Arby> Riddell: ok, same process? i.e. use old debian directory and fix as required
[23:24] <Riddell> Arby: use the debian directory from the current -kde4 packaging
[23:24] <Riddell> or see if Debian has a kde 4 package
[23:24] <Arby> ok
[23:25]  * Arby --> sleep
[23:25] <Riddell> danimo: add a Categories= line if it doesn't have one
[23:25] <Riddell> add a install/kovpn::  rule
[23:25] <Riddell> with mkdir -p /usr/share/applications/kde3; cp ./src/kovpn.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde3/
[23:34] <danimo> Riddell: works, tnx