=== pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles [01:09] nixternal: ping [01:14] Hello [01:15] dasKreeCh: pong? [01:15] gettin' ready to eat [01:16] was workin' on my brother's roof all day fixing what the tornado decided to take away yesterday [01:16] brb [01:16] nixternal: Does the IE in vista have a default visible File Edit view Menu? [01:40] dasKreeCh: I have no clue [01:41] :-P [01:41] whats the point of all the Vista knowledge if you are clueless? [01:42] cuz it is wonderful [01:43] For you. HOw do I get in on that [02:30] Anyone knows if Krita in KDE4 does JPG? [02:33] guys is tyhe tutorial day going to happen? [02:33] nixternal: i'm glad you are so pro microsoft [02:33] or taht's still in progress? [02:33] * jjesse_ cackles === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:03] jjesse: it is Micro$haft, get it right! :P [03:06] ahem. Microvell [03:06] you shill [03:07] haha [03:07] if only he realized just how far Linux has gotten because of Microvell [03:07] then maybe he would shut up [03:08] http://www.nixternal.com/ <- working on updating my site === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [07:05] Ahhhh [07:05] I've been spoilt === mars__ is now known as marseillai === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:13] konsole seems bugged with the beta packages with ubuntu, is it a known issue? Parts of the konsole is not updating with the rest at "redraws" [10:19] I see the same thing. [10:20] crazy annoying, since kde4-konsole is so good (: [10:27] does anybody use intrepid chroot? [10:27] <\sh> Serega: for my sbuilds, yes [10:28] \sh: sbuilds? [10:28] <\sh> Serega: apt-cache show sbuild ;) [10:30] hads: do you know if it's a kde bug or a kubuntubug? [10:30] * Serega writes to the TODO: "get acqainted with this stuff" :) [10:30] xt: No I'm not sure, I haven't searched the bug trackers. [10:30] \sh: could you please tkae a brief look at my problem with pbuilder ant intrepid chroot? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1042731 [10:32] <\sh> Serega: hmmm...aptitude is evil..use apt-get ,-) [10:33] <\sh> Serega: no really.. [10:33] <\sh> # [10:33] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:33] <\sh> # [10:33] <\sh> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libfluidsynth-dev which is a virtual package. [10:33] <\sh> that's what's bugging you [10:33] \sh: oohhh [10:33] \sh: how did you find that?! [10:33] :)_ [10:34] <\sh> Serega: /me can read :) [10:34] <\sh> Serega: and again: please change from aptitude to apt-get in pbuilder [10:35] \sh: but what this actually means? there is no such package in intrepid yet? or just a b0rk of aptitude? [10:35] * Serega modifies .pbuilderrc [10:35] <\sh> I would say the latter [10:35] <\sh> or libfluidsynth-dev is not installable because of something b0rked [10:36] <\sh> but pbuilder fools you with the wrong message ;) [10:37] hi there [10:37] Serega: libfluidsynth-dev is in universe, do you have universe enabled in your pbuilderrc? [10:38] hey Tonio_ [10:38] smarter: if it isn't enabled by "pbuilder create" then no :) [10:38] \sh: PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDS=classic, right? [10:38] so enable it and don't blame aptitude :) [10:39] Serega: doesn't really matter [10:40] smarter: thank you [10:40] * Serega can't find where the chroot actually lays :) [10:41] /var/ but you have to enable universe in the pbuilderrc iirc [10:42] <\sh> smarter: it matters...aptitude is evil :) and does things you don't expect... [10:42] iirc? [10:42] I had this issue some time ago and the error message of pbuilder really confused me :p [10:42] usually I use apt-get&frined [10:42] *friends [10:42] Serega: IIRC -> If I Recall Correctly [10:43] \sh: I've always used aptitude and neved had a problem :p [10:43] and I think that Debian recommends aptitude [10:46] <\sh> smarter: well, the buildds are not using it, so it behaves totally different from that...I mean it doesn't really matter, because pbuilder do behave differently, too :) [10:46] thank you, guys, you re the best [10:47] *are === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [11:46] gah! now I have to think of a different site idea... nixternal got mine (except for the chicago outline...) [12:22] mornin' [12:22] this early stuff is for the birds! [12:23] * Jucato chirps [12:23] no doubt [12:23] oh wait, it's 19:18 here [12:23] 06:23 [12:23] woke up at 05:00 [12:25] 1425 here [12:25] @now helsinki [12:25] jussi01: Current time in Europe/Helsinki: June 09 2008, 14:25:54 - Current meeting: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam [12:26] @now manila [12:26] Jucato: Current time in Asia/Manila: June 09 2008, 19:26:57 - Current meeting: Michigan LoCo Bug Jam [12:27] not that far :) [12:49] hrmm, KMail doesn't work with Exchange server at all does it? [12:49] yuriy: I don't think we're going to find a time for tutorials day which satisfies everyone, I think we'll have to drop your talk :( [12:51] nixternal: IIRC it'll work for IMAP mail, but not any of the 'groupware' stuff. [12:51] Riddell: maybe txwikinger can do it instead? [12:51] groovy [12:51] how can a Linux shop be using MES [12:51] what? [12:52] txwikinger: bug talk [12:52] for the tutorial day [12:52] Nightrose: Isn't that on Sunday? [12:52] out of 40+ people, I would say 10 use Microsoft, the rest use Ubuntu or Xubuntu, and I will use...guess? :) [12:52] it is i think [12:52] What time? I am flying back from Germany that day [12:52] Riddell: ^ [12:54] * txwikinger is lookin gfor his itenary [12:54] hmm i wanted to try mailody but seems like i can't because akonadi server wont start and i also can't start it using the akonaditray - anyone experiencing the same problem? [12:56] * txwikinger has far too much paperwork [12:56] Nightrose: you have to stop apparmor [12:57] re: look at what wstephens and I are talking about [12:57] nixternal: ahhh thx - yea seen it [12:59] * txwikinger has found the disconcerting letter from the Army [12:59] Well I am supposed to be back at the airport 20:40 UK time on Sunday [13:00] Anything after 22:00 UK probably works [13:00] txwikinger: currently down as 23:00UTC [13:00] Riddell: That is midnight BST, right? [13:01] Riddell: is there a Tutorials Day page yet? [13:01] Yes it is [13:02] txwikinger: yes [13:02] nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/Prep [13:02] Riddell: yes ok... if yuriy is not able to do it, I can jump in... barring any plane crashes [13:02] txwikinger: excellent, yuriy that ok with you? [13:03] ok, I am tired of the Konqi "Restore/Do Not Restore" stuff every time I fire up konqi in kde 4.1 [13:03] nixternal: +1 [13:03] +1 [13:03] * txwikinger thinks nixternal should not play with fire so much [13:04] * Hobbsee sets the vistalover on fire [13:04] * txwikinger cheers Hobbsee on [13:04] hahahaha [13:04] rotten vistalover. [13:04] * Nightrose gets the fire brigade :P [13:04] dang txwikinger, thanks for the love! [13:04] nixternal: :P [13:04] that was funny [13:04] nixternal: Always concerned about your health :D [13:05] I could just picture him sitting there like beavis and butthead yelling "fire! fire! heh heh fire!" [13:05] haha [13:05] first day of real paid work, and I am ready to quit :P [13:12] nixternal->work(); [13:12] sounds scary [13:12] later! [13:13] Function not found error :P [13:13] exactly! [13:22] apachelogger: filelight couldn't sync incase you missed that [13:27] For the Tutorials Day we need to have finished Intrepid Specs (for the first part: Getting involved)? Isn't it? [13:27] Riddell: ^^^ [13:29] etretyak: we have specs [13:29] Are they already approved? [13:29] Or it is not necessary? [13:30] we should be responsible enough to effectively approve our own specs [13:51] good morning [13:56] Hi jjesse [14:02] hello etretyak [14:03] Riddell: so how about Todo page? Who should update it? I want to start development for Intrepid ;-) But I don't know what task can/should I take... [14:05] etretyak: updating that is on my list of things to do today [14:06] Riddell: great! thanks! [14:07] a todo list that contains todos [14:07] i love that [14:08] * Riddell cheers as kdebase-workspace builds in intrepid [14:08] * jjesse cheers as Riddell cheers [14:13] \o/ [14:21] Riddell, txwikinger: sure [14:33] Riddell: going to move the rest of 4.0.5 to backports soon? [14:34] yuriy: I moved kdebindings-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 [14:34] anything else missing? [14:36] Riddell: not picking up kdebindings from archive.u.c here [14:39] yuriy: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings-kde4 says it's there [14:39] probably just needs published [14:42] why does that say main? [14:43] consequence of being moved from a PPA I guess [14:43] backports is all unsupported so it doesn't mean anything === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [15:17] Riddell: do I need to do anything more with ktorrent or is it uploaded now? [15:20] Arby: seems to be dep-wait on Dependencies: [15:20] libqca2-dev [15:20] Riddell: which means it won't build until that package is available, correct? [15:21] until it's in main [15:21] hmm, fancy writing a main inclusion report? [15:21] Riddell: no idea how but I can try [15:21] well when I get home from work I can [15:21] Riddell: is that process documented somewhere? [15:22] * Arby pokes the wiki [15:22] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionProcess should explain it [15:22] random example https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportLibnova [15:25] Riddell: ok I'll work on that this evening [15:25] expect the usual flurry of questions [15:26] thanks Arby, sorry that this has ended up more complex than I expected [15:26] Riddell: no problem [15:26] I just get to learn lots of things all at once [15:26] :) [15:27] I'm thinking about trying for membership sometime soon so this is all good stuff [15:27] seele: around? [15:28] Arby: great [15:30] Arby: if you need help like review of your wiki page please say so [15:30] Nightrose: thanks but I haven't even started yet :) [15:30] Arby: hehe yea thought so [15:30] just something that's in my mind "at some point" [15:31] was more an offer for when you wrote it [15:31] and much appreciated to :) [15:31] anyway - /me takes a nap [15:31] I need to gather more people who've seen my work [15:31] seele: since I have to go, take a look at this screencast: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1437949_gluha/kgrubeditor.ogv [15:31] as it's mostly riddell that gets everything currently [15:32] seele: nothing really important, only the things we were talking about [17:47] Riddell: Can Kubuntu request items for the Canonical store? [17:51] daskreech: we can try, got any good ideas? [17:51] Kubuntu Bikinis :) [17:52] Well how does the proces work? [17:52] do we make items up and send them in to the store or can we request kubuntu variants of what they have? [17:52] If we make a suggestion for someting would it just be branded Ubuntu and put up? [17:56] we'd probably have to come up with a design [17:57] Ok sounds good [17:57] * daskreech votes kubuntu Bikins :) [17:57] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-tutorials-day.png [17:57] better graphic design skills welcome [18:05] daskreech: will you wear it and make photos? :P [18:05] but yea - it would be cool to be able to buy kubuntu merch there [18:06] Nightrose: not needed they have no human imagery on the store [18:06] Ironic eh? [18:06] ;-) [18:08] how does this look? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [18:08] I was also pitching Kubuntu flavours body paint but I dunno that's a harder sell :-D [18:10] Riddell: looks good :) - maybe mention what the goal and target group is? [18:11] daskreech: kubuntu flavoured? /me wonders how that would taste like ;-) [18:12] Squash the beasties :) [18:12] Riddell: maybe some links to How to triage in the reading section? [18:13] What's happening in Intrepid and how can you join? Artwork, documentation, packaging, programming, and more <- last comma should go [18:17] Arby: URL? [18:20] found it [18:20] HelpingWithBugs and Bugs/HowToTriage [18:25] Riddell: why couldn't filelight sync? [18:26] apachelogger: different .orig files [18:26] * apachelogger is wondering why [18:26] well, I'll merge then [18:28] tutorials day in here, not #ubuntu-classroom? [18:30] I'm looking at txwikinger's talk from last time and it looks like the ask questions in another channel style they usually do for these things in #ubuntu-classroom + #ubuntu-classroom-chat would have been helpful [18:31] true but it is a good idea to get people into this channel - some of them will stay probably [18:32] yuriy: That is very helpful if you have a lot of people like during UbuntuWeek [18:33] If there are not too many people asking question it might just create another layer of administration which does not necessarily brings additional benefit [18:33] So.. I am fine with either [18:34] plus nixternal can probably out type however many people are in there asking questions [18:35] haha [18:37] txwikinger: looks like you ran out of time, good thing it's an hour this time [18:37] yuriy: Yes .. 1/2 was very tight last time [18:37] And we have now some additional stuff to refer to === pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles === hunger_t is now known as hunger === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [19:44] etretyak, all: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [19:48] So I was at my brother-in-law's yesterday chatting with the boyfriend of a neice. It was nice to find out he uses Kubuntu. I've known him for a couple of years, but it's never come up before. [19:48] it's spreading [19:48] He was pretty shocked to discover we've switched to KDE 4.1 for Intrepid though. === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Back to merging! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Teams | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [19:49] I explianed the rationale and while I think he understood why, he's pretty skeptical about how it will turn out (he's tried the 4.1 beta packages for Hardy). [19:49] we need to get our messaging clear about intrepid, it's ment to be a scary/exciting release, that's the whole point [19:50] Intrepid ? [19:52] hence the name intrepid? [19:52] "The release for Intrepid Adventurers" or something like that. [19:55] ScottK: with a nice SVG pic of a ibex in a bushjacket with a magnifying glass [19:58] With a tiger sneaking up behind. [20:01] :-) [20:03] Intrepid Ibex in the jungle of KDE4. Sometimes you eat the tiger, sometimes the tiger eats you. Which will it be? Find out. Upgrade today. [20:03] Riddell: is it libqca2 or libqca2-dev that needs an MIR? [20:03] or both? [20:03] Ha ha ha that's a great tagline [20:04] and would stop the insane cursing that I heard about LTS [20:04] Arby: MIR the source package. [20:04] qca2 [20:05] so this then http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qca2 ? [20:06] yes [20:10] ScottK: that's a great slogan... can i steal it :) [20:10] Sure. === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [20:13] is there a list somewhere of the complete list of supported architectures? [20:13] I only see i386 and amd64 for the newest version [20:13] should there be more? [20:14] or are powerpc etc not officially supported [20:17] Only i386 and AMD64 are officially supported. [20:17] With the exception of hppa, the unofficial archs are all in pretty good shape. [20:18] #ubuntu-ps3 :) [20:18] so I can say that it is available for all architectures yes? [20:19] not officially [20:19] but it can be installed for most yes [20:19] all would be netBSD [20:21] next question, how do I find out if any binaries run as root/suid [20:21] ? [20:22] Arby: Back one question: You can see here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/qca2/2.0.0-4 that it built on all archs. [20:23] ScottK: ah, gotcha. thanks [20:27] man, I haven't used KDE 3 in a long time [20:29] * Nightrose likes the kubuntu(-de) love there: http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/ ;-) [20:43] how do I choose between frenetic/vigorous/calm/dead for upstream development? [20:43] You look at how often they release and how active they are and make a judgement. [20:44] upstream in this case and should upstream be kde or http://delta.affinix.com/qca [20:44] gah gibberish sorry [20:44] should upstream be kde or http://delta.affinix.com/qca [20:44] qca [20:44] ok [20:47] would that be considered calm or vigorous --> http://delta.affinix.com/download/qca/2.0/ ? [20:47] I'd say calm, regular and frequent releases of various components [20:47] opinions welcome [20:49] I'd go with calm [20:49] thanks === ^SaRgE^ is now known as d3ce1t [21:06] Riddell: I want to take "guidance mount config".. and "system-config-printer-kde" [21:18] for this MIR if the debian source package has unittests that are run by make test. [21:18] does that mean tests are run in the build [21:18] ? [22:06] Riddell: MIR so far https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2#preview [22:06] and anyone else who doesn't mind advising [22:06] hi [22:06] I know the bug number isn't done yet [22:06] I need help finding the remaining information [22:09] Are 4.0.5 packages up? [22:09] has anyone already packaged kcoloredit from the extragear? [22:10] daskreech: yury packaged them afaik [22:10] yuriy even [22:10] so should I take silence on kubuntu.org to mean they are not fit for the pudding yet? [22:11] *shrug* [22:11] * Nightrose is on beta 1 ;-) [22:11] daskreech: they're in backports, i think that's as fit as they're gonna get [22:12] yuriy: So there should be a kubuntu.org post? [22:12] daskreech: dunno. Riddell? [22:13] can I already upgrade to intrepid? [22:13] * Serega dislikes chroot [22:14] Serega: last i heard it was not advisable to do that yet [22:15] ah... :( [22:18] while packaging an old kde3 application (new) I found the admin dir in the upstream package is outdated [22:18] how can I force debuild to run make -f admin/Makefile.common after applying the patches? [22:18] new == from scratch [22:18] danimo: redefine patch target? [22:19] Serega: hmm? [22:19] danimo: what patch system do you use in the package? [22:20] Serega: so far I simply did a manual patch between the two admin dirs (the existing one and then new one that I took from svn), and placed it into admin/patches [22:21] * Serega have never seen kde3 packages [22:21] *has [22:22] Riddell? apachelogger? \sh? Czessi? :-) [22:25] why does cdbs source tar contains both Makefile.am and Makefile.in... :( [22:25] Serega: hmm? [22:25] danimo: just complaining :) [22:26] danimo: you can unpack https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/cdbs/0.4.52ubuntu1/+files/cdbs_0.4.52ubuntu1.tar.gz and see this [22:27] ah... damn [22:27] time to sleep :) [22:28] m hi danimo [22:28] Serega: KDE 3 source tars do too [22:29] yuriy: yo, lets [22:30] Riddell: thats right, it should be :) unless source is distributed without configure script generated at all [22:30] Riddell: read my whinings? [22:30] * Serega just missed [22:32] hm... looks like cdbs doesn't support kde4 class yet [22:32] danimo: I would just run make -f debian/rules buildprep if it uses cdbs kde.mk [22:33] or maybe kcoloredit should be considered a 'cmake' package [22:33] it does [22:33] Riddell: it does that? [22:34] Serega: for kde 4 packages get kde.mk from kde4libs [22:34] in intrepid [22:34] danimo: pardon? [22:34] Riddell: thanks, Jonathan! [22:36] Riddell: but that doesn't apply patches and run make -f admin/Makefile.common [22:37] danimo: that's exactly what it should do [22:37] what does it do? [22:38] Riddell: doesn't apply patches first [22:38] Riddell: maybe I just do something wrong :) [22:38] danimo: can you pastebin your debian/rules file? [22:38] Riddell: should 4.0.5 be on Kubuntu.org ? [22:39] daskreech: it will be when the web cache refreshes [22:39] ^_^ [22:40] Riddell: only includes debhelper.mk, autotools.mk and kde.mk [22:41] danimo: if you look at the bottom of /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk [22:41] buildprep should be pretty clear [22:41] yepp [22:42] danimo: you should also include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk [22:42] ah! [22:43] yay [22:45] yuriy: are you really already packaged kcoloredit? [22:45] damn, almost :) [22:46] /usr/bin/make -C obj-i486-linux-gnu -k distclean [22:46] make: Entering an unknown directory [22:46] make: *** obj-i486-linux-gnu: No such file or directory. Stop. [22:46] Riddell: any idea how that can happen? [22:48] mmm [22:48] cdbs should just do the right thing [22:48] yepp [22:48] should [22:49] >_< [22:49] Are we going to patch Kmix to have middle click be open Mixer instead of mute for KDE4 ? [22:49] daskreech: why? [22:50] Riddell: when you can spare a minute. need help finding the remaining information for MIR https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2#preview [22:50] doesn't have to be tonight [22:50] cause that's what it did in KDE3 [22:51] Is KDE 4.1 final in Kubuntu next month, will it be possible to customize keyboard shortcuts again? And will it restore the Alt-F1 key for invoking the Kmenu? My understanding is that other distros using KDE 4.1 beta 1 have these things working, but Hardy doesn't. [22:51] danimo: try not including autotools.mk ? [22:53] Is it already known that kde4libs-bin has a dependency problem on http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu main [22:53] Arby: Any binaries running as root or suid/sgid ? Any daemons ? should be no [22:53] Riddell: OK but how would I find that out [22:54] Arby: look at the files in the packages [22:54] in debian/*install [22:54] there's only one binary and that's not run as root [22:54] nor is a daemon [22:55] Riddell: nope [22:55] didn't help [22:55] randy_: None of that stuff was in beta 1 I think [22:55] Arby: "Does it handle incoming network data ?" not sure on that one, I don't think it does [22:55] they were added a few days later so you should be good [22:56] Riddell: did you mean debian/cdbs/kde.mk from the kde4libs? [22:56] Serega: yes [22:56] and the other files in that directory [22:56] :( [22:56] daskreech: Thanks...so I'll look for the change in the next update...or 4.1 final at the latest. [22:56] understand [22:57] danimo: are you able to put the package somewhere for me to try? [22:57] Riddell: I thought it is already merged to the cdbs [22:57] Riddell: why not? maybe I merge thi into cdbs? [22:57] Riddell: I assume it doesn't process binary data? [22:57] Arby: I'd assume it does, it's all about cryptography which is full of binary data [22:58] "source code review performed ?" I always answer no [22:58] ah, ignorance strikes again. the examples are all video and audio [22:58] "always work out of the box without configuration" else it's a pretty poor package [23:01] Riddell: how would I find out what if any debconf questions it asks? [23:01] if there's any .config files in debian/ in the packaging [23:02] seems not then [23:04] Riddell: look OK now? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportQCA2?action=show [23:05] apart from the bug number [23:05] Arby: perfect [23:05] cool I'll file the bug then [23:05] Is that it or do I need to bug somebody to process it? [23:06] you could politely poke pitti [23:06] Riddell: http://developer.kde.org/~danimo/kubuntu/kovpn [23:06] * Serega carefully touches Riddell [23:14] danimo: works for me using.. [23:14] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [23:14] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk [23:14] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk [23:18] danimo: rm debian/*.ex debian/*.E [23:18] danimo: rm debian/*.ex debian/*.EX [23:18] /usr/share/applnk/Utilities/kovpn.desktop should be patched to be xdg standard [23:18] Riddell: all done. [23:18] Riddell: I don't understand step 5 on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionProcess [23:19] how do I do that and do I have to wait for review from ubuntu-mir first? [23:20] Arby: you're done that, it already is a build-dep for ktorrent [23:20] ah ok I see [23:20] Riddell: what's up next for packaging/merging then? [23:20] (tomorrow) [23:22] any of these I guess ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.80/src/extragear [23:23] Riddell: which would be donw how? [23:23] Riddell: ok, same process? i.e. use old debian directory and fix as required [23:24] Arby: use the debian directory from the current -kde4 packaging [23:24] or see if Debian has a kde 4 package [23:24]