[00:00] <Colonel_Panic> they show up on the desktop as very small application windows
[00:00] <Exilant> settings->configure->accounts->modify-> check remember password and give one
[00:00] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: kde 4?
[00:00] <nohelphere> now the idito app msi havign issues
[00:00] <Colonel_Panic> I just upgraded to Hardy
[00:00] <nohelphere> im going to backup stuff
[00:01] <Colonel_Panic> I believe it id KDE 4, yes
[00:01] <Exilant> if the bar at the bottom is black, then probably yes :)
[00:02] <Exilant> no clue then, i'm not using kde4 for more or less exactly such reasons
[00:02] <ForgeAus> is it worth having a gentoo-alt prefix on Kubuntu?
[00:03] <NickPresta> ForgeAus, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/prefix/index.xml ??
[00:03] <Colonel_Panic> OK I did what you told me in Kopete, but it's still not logged on
[00:03] <ForgeAus> something like that
[00:03] <NickPresta> ForgeAus, it is only worth it if you want it. :)
[00:03] <ForgeAus> what use would it be?
[00:04] <ivan_> algun español
[00:04] <ivan_> ???
[00:04] <NickPresta> ForgeAus, I don't know. I've never heard of it before today. Why would you want it?
[00:04] <ivan_> gallego??
[00:04] <NickPresta> !es | ivan_
[00:04] <ivan_> ok thanks
[00:04] <ForgeAus> NickPresta thats what I'm asking... why would it be useful?
[00:05] <Colonel_Panic> Exilant: I did what you told me in Kopete, but it's still not logged on
[00:05] <ForgeAus> there is one thing I know, no problem with user-management...
[00:05] <minhaaj> my compiz fusion icon says that i have kwin instead of compiz
[00:05] <minhaaj> but it still shows effects
[00:05] <minhaaj> how do i get rid of it ?
[00:06] <nohelphere> i lost php webmni apache
[00:06] <nohelphere> a lot more apps
[00:06] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: mhm, sounds bad
[00:06] <Colonel_Panic> I can't uninstall the damn thing
[00:06] <nohelphere> BRB IM ANGRY AND MY BOX IS AN IDIOT
[00:06] <Exilant> i take it you're also using kopete-kde4 then?
[00:06] <Colonel_Panic> it won'r uninstall
[00:06] <Colonel_Panic> I don't know
[00:06] <Exilant> sudo apt-get remove kopete-kde4
[00:06] <minhaaj> kopete is working fine with me
[00:07] <Exilant> with me, too
[00:07] <Colonel_Panic> no KDE 3.5.9
[00:07] <Exilant> except for crypto and tex plugins
[00:07] <Exilant> ah, hmm
[00:07] <Colonel_Panic> I'm running 3.5.9
[00:07] <Exilant> ok
[00:07] <Colonel_Panic> not 4
[00:07] <minhaaj> you can use kde4 applications in kde3 Colonel_Panic
[00:08] <Colonel_Panic> how does that help me with my problems here?
[00:08] <minhaaj> what error do you get running kopete ?
[00:08] <NickPresta> Colonel_Panic, what problem are you having?
[00:08] <Colonel_Panic> I don't get an error
[00:08] <Colonel_Panic> several.
[00:08] <minhaaj> whats the problem if you dont get error.
[00:08] <minhaaj> plz explain
[00:08] <Colonel_Panic> first of all, when I log in, my system tray doesn't fill with icons
[00:08] <NickPresta> Colonel_Panic, try to explain it on line or pastebin it so I can read it all
[00:09] <Colonel_Panic> instead, they all appear on the desktop as windows
[00:09] <minhaaj> right click on task bar and add apps Colonel_Panic
[00:09] <minhaaj> you can start from a  clean session and reconfigure the desktop
[00:10] <Colonel_Panic> I have a number of apps that are supposed to launch at startup
[00:11] <minhaaj> did you put em in start up ?
[00:11] <Colonel_Panic> when I log in, they don't launch normally, instead they appear as little tiny black windows on the desktop
[00:11] <NickPresta> Colonel_Panic, running Compiz?
[00:11] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[00:11] <minhaaj> oh is it adept notifer ?
[00:11] <minhaaj> do you get a green bulb like window too ?
[00:11] <Colonel_Panic> if I disable it though, I lose all my window decorations
[00:11] <Colonel_Panic> and cannot move or resize my windows
[00:12] <NickPresta> Colonel_Panic, that sometimes happens with Compiz (It used to happen to Adept Notifier every time) Try to disable Compiz and see if that still happens.
[00:12] <minhaaj> write kwin --replace in konsole
[00:12] <Colonel_Panic> Adept Notifier is one of the apps that doesn't start normally, yes
[00:12] <Colonel_Panic> I cannot disable Compiz without messing up my whole desktop
[00:12] <genii> Perhaps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/111232
[00:12] <NickPresta> genii, I was thinking the same thing
[00:12] <Colonel_Panic> the menu bar glitches out and I lose all my window decorations
[00:13] <Colonel_Panic> I've tried that
[00:13] <Colonel_Panic> I ended up having to restart X-server and went back to square one
[00:14] <minhaaj> did kwin --replace work ?
[00:14] <minhaaj> it should
[00:14] <Colonel_Panic> how can I get rid of Compiz altogether
[00:14] <minhaaj> sudo apt-get remove compiz
[00:14] <Colonel_Panic> and Emerald as well, without messing up my windows?
[00:14] <minhaaj> ?
[00:14] <Colonel_Panic> without messing up my windows?
[00:15] <minhaaj> did your desktop worked fine before you installed compiz ?
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[00:15] <minhaaj> then it should work fine without compiz
[00:15] <minhaaj> try that command
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> OK I'll try it
[00:15] <minhaaj> let the source be with you :)
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> ok done
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> restart X?
[00:15] <ForgeAus> hey 4pane isn't such a bad file manager from the look fo it
[00:15] <minhaaj> fixed ?
[00:15] <minhaaj> yep go ahead Colonel_Panic
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> ok here goes
[00:16] <Colonel_Panic> if I don't return, tell my wife I love her
[00:16] <minhaaj> rofl
[00:16] <Haza> lol
[00:17] <minhaaj> how goes ?
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> OK well that wasn't so bad, but it appears Compiz is still running
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> weirdly enough
[00:19] <ForgeAus> essentially a Gentoo-alt prefix (overlay) would be a Linux subsystem for Linux, I still don't get how that would be useful...
[00:19] <minhaaj> does that fix your desktop ?
[00:20] <ForgeAus> its only use that I can see is if you don't have admin access to the pc...
[00:20] <Colonel_Panic> some of the system icons are still missing
[00:20] <Colonel_Panic> like, Kwallet
[00:20] <minhaaj> you can add them
[00:20] <minhaaj> right click on bottom pane and add apps
[00:20] <ForgeAus> you can make a prefix wherever you can access and use a functional gentoo from there...
[00:20] <minhaaj> and then navigate to app
[00:20] <minhaaj> or just add applet and select system tray
[00:21] <ForgeAus> (it is kinda useful for Interix (SFU/SUA) in windows it works analogously to AndLinux to give it a Gentoo subsytem)
[00:35] <brett> I just went to 2.6.24-18-386, but now my virtual box is hosed.  There arent 2.6.24-18 vbox drivers on synaptic yet... what do I do?
[00:36] <engineer> vmware <---
[00:37] <brett> I was there, but on latest kubuntu that was jacked too...
[00:37] <brett> this worked... I can't win for losing...
[00:45] <aruquon> I have a DVD which is copied to a hard disk
[00:46] <Colonel_Panic> How can I get Kwallet back inot the system tray?
[00:46] <aruquon> with .VOB files, etc.
[00:46] <aruquon> what's the easiest way to play it from disk like it's a dvd?
[00:47] <mr--t> !enter
[00:47] <aruquon> okay sorry
[00:50] <greatgib> aruquon you can do mount -o loop /home/me/mydvdiso /media/moncd
[00:51] <greatgib> and so that would act like a ghost drive ;), it's not the easiest way but....
[00:52] <aruquon> greatgib, okay i'll try that, thanks
[00:52] <Exilant> xine could do that
[00:52] <greatgib> on another side, if you have vob files, i think that vlc can read them!
[00:52] <greatgib> it's more easy ;)
[00:52] <Exilant> xine dvd:///home/bla/huu
[00:52] <aruquon> so i run 'vlc' with what as an argument?
[00:52] <greatgib> it's a graphical app vlc :)
[00:53] <greatgib> you run vlc and do open a file or a folder depending of your case
[00:53] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: start it.. alt-f2, kwallet <enter>
[00:53] <greatgib> ( apt-get install vlc ;) )
[00:54] <aruquon> i do 'open disc' or 'open file' in vlc?
[00:55] <aruquon> ah okay got it
[00:55] <aruquon> vlc works
[00:55] <aruquon> thanks a lot
[00:55] <aruquon> let me try xine
[00:56] <greatgib> now you know all you need to read your dvd ;)
[00:57] <Exilant> i wonder if kaffeine could do it, too, tried that a while ago and was not succssful
[00:58] <greatgib> kaffeine is cool too , except that i hate it to give me pain watching a dvb stream!
[00:59] <aruquon> i couldn't figure out how to get kaffeine to do it
[00:59] <aruquon> that's what i tried first
[00:59] <aruquon> xine basically works, but on my machine the video is messed up
[00:59] <aruquon> but it gives a nice menu
[01:00] <Colonel_Panic> Exilant: thanks
[01:00] <greatgib> if vlc works that's good enough, vlc is a french app that could read everything, from streams to dvd...
[01:02] <aruquon> ah, if i open the directory vlc gives me the dvd menu!
[01:02] <aruquon> perfect
[01:02] <aruquon> thanks a lot greatgib
[01:05] <greatgib> no problem :)
[01:10] <Deepthought> are the kde 4.1 beta deb packages available yet ?
[01:12] <darkwolf> hello everyone
[01:13] <PhoenixGI> Hello Darkwolf
[01:13] <darkwolf> is there a way to update the firmware of my creative zen v on kubuntu?
[01:13] <greatgib> Deepthought, you can download on the repository ppa the deb for testing kde4.1 alongside kde3
[01:14] <Deepthought> greatgib: what's ppa ?
[01:14] <PhoenixGI> err wrong channel Greatgib
[01:14] <greatgib> but it's not really stable! but you can download the CD ubuntu remix with kde4.0 that have a almost stable and usable version!
[01:14] <PhoenixGI> oops, nm
[01:14] <greatgib> arf ok, i answer you on the other channel Deepthought
[01:14] <Deepthought> greatgib: ok, have that open too, see ya there
[01:15] <PhoenixGI> LoL, I'm not being channel police just saw the conversation going on on the other channel
[01:16] <Deepthought> greatgib: you mean #kubuntu-kde4, right ?
[01:16] <Deepthought> PhoenixGI: that was me too ... ;-P
[01:17] <greatgib> :D
[01:25] <tony_> anyone on 4.1b and not use custom icons?
[01:31] <engineer> !nvidia
[01:33] <engineer> !compiz
[01:36] <JuJuBee> Just installed 8.04 with KDE4,  have to say looks pretty, but I feel like a fish out of water.
[01:36] <PhoenixGI> why's that?
[01:37] <JuJuBee> I wanted to ask how to configure users and groups, but quickly found out that Kopete doesn't support IRC anymore...
[01:37] <JuJuBee> So I had to find another IRC client
[01:37] <JuJuBee> Came across pidgin
[01:37] <JuJuBee> SO, how do I configure users and groups?  Not in system settings anymore?
[01:38] <mjponce> !ubottu
[01:38] <mjponce> !ubottu
[01:39] <PhoenixGI> I had to resort to terminal commands JuJuBee
[01:39] <JuJuBee> You using kde4?
[01:40] <PhoenixGI> Aye, 8.04 remix
[01:40] <JuJuBee> Also, when I install a program, why does it not add an icon in the K-menu?  I installed firefox and pidgin and  no icon in the k-menu
[01:40] <mjponce> !ubotu
[01:41] <mjponce> =/
[01:41] <PhoenixGI> It's a bug, relog and it will all be there.  I guess if you remove kmenu and readd it, it will also show up... but for me I could never get it back to the left hand cornor
[01:43] <JuJuBee> I cant figure out many things.  I am used to adding items manually using the menu editor (right-click on kmenu), but that is gone also.  I cant figure out how to configure how many desktops to have in the task bar
[01:44] <PhoenixGI> Number of Desktops displayed or number available?
[01:44] <JuJuBee> Displayed (the little square boxes)
[01:45] <JuJuBee> or is that available?
[01:45] <JuJuBee> I usually set to 4 (think that was default)
[01:45] <PhoenixGI> Display, right click on the screens and select pager settings
[01:46] <jaakkome> I want to connect to another computer on the LAN by ssh. I'm able to do that if I open a ssh connection to it's ip address, but I'd like to use the computer's name instead, as the ip address changes from time to time.
[01:46] <PhoenixGI> to have 4 Desktops again right click on the pager and chose Configure Desktops
[01:46] <JuJuBee> Can only set 2 rows...
[01:46] <jaakkome> What do I need to do?
[01:46] <PhoenixGI> JuJuBee by default only desktops are available.  You have to Configure Desktops to have more
[01:47] <JuJuBee> How?
[01:47] <jaakkome> I can use the name of the computer for a samba connection, but not for ssh...
[01:47] <PhoenixGI> jaakkome I don't have the linux knowledge to answer that.
[01:48] <PhoenixGI> JuJuBee Right click on the pager and choose configure Desktops
[01:48] <JuJuBee> Great, didn't see that before.  Used to seeing in System-Settings -> Desktop
[01:49] <JuJuBee> Thanks/
[01:49] <JuJuBee> jaakkome : domain controller I think...
[01:50] <JuJuBee> then each machine has a name like host1.somedomain.com
[01:50] <JuJuBee> What is the name of the "Quick Launch" area where I used to put frequently used programs next to the kmenu?
[01:51] <PhoenixGI> JuJuBee Favorits
[01:51] <JuJuBee> So now do I add widget to the pannel where I used to add aplication or applet?
[01:52] <PhoenixGI> JuJuBee: right click on the panel and chose add widget?
[01:53] <jeff_> I'm using kopete.  my friend is using pidgin, and any time i try to IM him, pidgin errors out.  Anybody know why?
[01:53] <JuJuBee> But that doesn't mean I can add applications like firefox, does it?
[01:54] <JuJuBee> Seems not
[01:54] <luis_> hola
[01:55] <PhoenixGI> Oh for apps, right click on the app and Add to well there's three options... choose what you want
[01:55] <PhoenixGI> Hello Luis
[01:55] <mjponce> hola Luis
[01:58] <luis_> hola disculpa estaba en otra
[02:00] <JuJuBee> Well, thanks for the help PhoenixGI, Guess it will take some  time to get  used to the new...
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> jeff_: I heard of that.... are you using the KDE4 version?
[02:02] <jeff_> no, kde3
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> odd then
[02:12] <l3x> how to make compiz start up with the system?
[02:24] <draik> When I print an envelop through OpenOffice.org's Writer, my address is always cut off. I have specified the envelop size and where I want it to appear, but I am always having to move it to the right by about 1.5-2 inches.
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> sounds like a question for the people at openoffice
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've yet to print an envelope, so i've got no idea :\
[02:26] <draik> Thanks, Daisuke_Laptop.
[02:26] <draik> !openoffice
[02:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> draik: good luck :)
[02:33] <minhaaj> anyone has checked kde2 beta 1 ?
[02:33] <minhaaj> kde4
[02:33] <minhaaj> is it cool ?
[02:34] <PhoenixGI> I haven't yet, still with 4.04
[02:34] <willi_ballenthin> just installed it, about to reboot now
[02:35] <minhaaj> oh let us know willi_ballenthin
[02:35] <minhaaj> i dont even use kde4
[02:35] <Colonel_Panic> ok everything appears to be working fine except that when new windows opem, they have no borders or window decorations until I click the desktop
[02:35] <minhaaj> still on 3.5.9
[02:35] <minhaaj> kde4 is buggy
[02:35] <Colonel_Panic> that's kind of a weird glitch, isn't it?
[02:35] <minhaaj> Colonel_Panic:  go to appearance in system settings and choose qrtz
[02:36] <minhaaj> there are some windows decorations that doesnt have windows border by default
[02:37] <Colonel_Panic> you mean the quartz theme?
[02:37] <minhaaj> yep
[02:37] <Colonel_Panic> I've been using Web
[02:38] <Colonel_Panic> what's the issue with quatrz?
[02:38] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: does your kopete work now?
[02:38] <Colonel_Panic> you mean the quartz GTK style or the theme?
[02:39] <minhaaj> hang on Colonel_Panic lemme see
[02:39] <Colonel_Panic> yeah, it seems to
[02:39] <Colonel_Panic> after I restarted the Xserver it started working OK
[02:39] <minhaaj> windows decoration
[02:39] <Exilant> :)
[02:39] <Colonel_Panic> I'm seeing all my Yahoo, MSN and AIM contacts
[02:39] <unixboy1> hello someone coudl help me. my keyboard is not naswering anymore
[02:39] <unixboy1> whe ni log into one of my user
[02:39] <minhaaj> Colonel_Panic:  and yet never thanked me :D
[02:39] <minhaaj> jk
[02:39] <unixboy1> i am using KDE and ubuntu 8.04
[02:39] <Colonel_Panic> yes I did
[02:39] <Colonel_Panic> oh wait
[02:40] <Colonel_Panic> no I didn;t
[02:40] <minhaaj> lol jk dude you dont have to
[02:40] <Colonel_Panic> thank you minhaaj
[02:40] <Exilant> :)
[02:40] <Colonel_Panic> you're a prince among men
[02:40] <minhaaj> keep it. its collaboration that has kept linux alive.
[02:40] <minhaaj> maybe one day you can help me :)
[02:40] <Colonel_Panic> I seldom have any trouble with it
[02:40] <unixboy1> Someone help me please
[02:40] <minhaaj> unixboy1:  ask
[02:40] <Colonel_Panic> I've been running Gutsy for like 8 months without so much as a reboot
[02:41] <willi_ballenthin> may i ask a question regarding kopete?
[02:41] <minhaaj> sure willi_ballenthin
[02:41] <willi_ballenthin> when i mouseover contacts
[02:41] <Colonel_Panic> I installed a new audio card just before I upgraded so I ought to be good to go for at least another year now
[02:41] <willi_ballenthin> to get their away info
[02:41] <willi_ballenthin> and they have some sort of html tagging
[02:41] <willi_ballenthin> kopete displays the text of the tags, instead of formatting the text
[02:41] <willi_ballenthin> can this be changed?
[02:41] <richard> anybody has the ultimate version
[02:42] <minhaaj> strange.
[02:42] <unixboy1> someone could help me, after installing Compiz fusion, my keyboard is not responding..
[02:42] <minhaaj> i did same with my kopete it just gives me the info of the contacts
[02:42] <unixboy1> someone may have the same problem and could help me out please
[02:42] <minhaaj> you on kde4 willi_ballenthin ?
[02:42] <willi_ballenthin> yeah its up and running
[02:42] <richard> how is kde4
[02:42] <willi_ballenthin> definitely more stable than 4.0.1
[02:42] <richard> any good?
[02:42] <willi_ballenthin> no crashes yet, haha
[02:42] <richard> any better?
[02:42] <minhaaj> unixboy1:  you computer is hanged? you are using onscreen keyboard ?
[02:42] <willi_ballenthin> some slick animations
[02:43] <minhaaj> willi_ballenthin:  are you using compiz ?
[02:43] <willi_ballenthin> no
[02:43] <willi_ballenthin> but let me install it
[02:43] <willi_ballenthin> see if it works
[02:43] <minhaaj> no it won't
[02:43] <willi_ballenthin> haah ok
[02:43] <minhaaj> it might add insult to injury though
[02:43] <minhaaj> :)
[02:43] <minhaaj> well let me see.
[02:43] <minhaaj> how about you unistall kopete and reinstall it ?
[02:44] <Colonel_Panic> hey how an I clean up my /home partition? it is almost full
[02:44] <minhaaj> what did you say you were using kopete on kde4 ?
[02:44] <minhaaj> Colonel_Panic: you have your data on it ?
[02:44] <Colonel_Panic> I have most of my stuff on a second partition named /home
[02:44] <minhaaj> transfer it on other partition.
[02:44] <willi_ballenthin> it affects both kde3 and kde4
[02:44] <willi_ballenthin> so its probs just a configuration thing
[02:44] <Colonel_Panic> but on my primary partition, my /home dir is almost full
[02:44] <minhaaj> can you upload a screenshot willi_ballenthin ?
[02:44] <willi_ballenthin> ok
[02:45] <minhaaj> thx
[02:45] <Colonel_Panic> won't that break dependencies?
[02:45] <Colonel_Panic> just moving files over all will-nilly?
[02:45] <minhaaj> Colonel_Panic:  what are you trying to move ? apps or personal data ?
[02:45] <minhaaj> if meant your personal data like movies, songs, pics
[02:45] <Colonel_Panic> well there's almost no personal data on there that I know of
[02:45] <minhaaj> you can't move system files
[02:45] <Colonel_Panic> at least, no documents
[02:45] <minhaaj> how big is your partition ?
[02:46] <Colonel_Panic> oh well most of that stuff is already on the big partition
[02:46] <Colonel_Panic> 10GB
[02:46] <Colonel_Panic> and the other one is like 450GB
[02:46] <Colonel_Panic> my root partition is the 10GB
[02:46] <minhaaj> well if you have installed too many programs, i dont think its illogical to have one 10 gb partition filled
[02:47] <minhaaj> mine is 20 gb and i have installed almost every app on adept and i am left with 5 gb
[02:47] <Colonel_Panic> is it possible to install Wine on the big partition?
[02:47] <minhaaj> see if you can get rid of some apps you dont use :)
[02:47] <Colonel_Panic> yeah... I've done that
[02:47] <Colonel_Panic> I did it before I upgraded
[02:47] <minhaaj> how about you add some space from your 450 gb to 10 gb ?
[02:47] <minhaaj> use gparted for that
[02:48] <Colonel_Panic> gparted?
[02:48] <Colonel_Panic> I've never used it
[02:48] <minhaaj> this is a partition program
[02:48] <willi_ballenthin> minhaaj: hate to interrupt, but ill send a screenshot if you like?
[02:48] <Colonel_Panic> yeah I figured that much!
[02:48] <minhaaj> you can add more space to your current drive.
[02:48] <Colonel_Panic> is that dangerous?
[02:48] <minhaaj> willi_ballenthin:  why dont you upload it on screenshots.cc
[02:48] <minhaaj> or imageshack ?
[02:48] <willi_ballenthin> ok, give me a sec
[02:48] <Colonel_Panic> or relatively safe?
[02:48] <minhaaj> i dont think so. read the documentation carefully Colonel_Panic
[02:48] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[02:48] <minhaaj> but i would recommend you back up your personal files and mission critical data
[02:49] <Exilant> colonel_panic, you can install programs in your home, but 10 GB should really be enough
[02:49] <minhaaj> yea i wonder what do you have there :) all distros of ubuntu are pretty small.
[02:49] <Exilant> since you recently upgraded, try sudo apt-get clean
[02:49] <minhaaj> its not vista :)
[02:49] <Exilant> yeah, i had it on 3.5 GB till gutsy
[02:49] <minhaaj> what does that do Exilant ?
[02:50] <Colonel_Panic> I was wondering the same thing myself
[02:50] <Exilant> cleans the cached downloaded .deb files
[02:50] <Colonel_Panic> lemme check
[02:50] <Exilant> (absolutely save to do)
[02:50] <minhaaj> oh thanks. didnt know that.
[02:51] <Colonel_Panic> OK cleaning now
[02:51] <Colonel_Panic> it's taking awhile
[02:51] <minhaaj> it should. i did that too :)
[02:51] <Exilant> that means it has something to clean :)
[02:51] <minhaaj> is there any text Colonel_Panic ? it didnt show any text about starting or ending
[02:51] <minhaaj> just took some while and i got command prompt agian
[02:51] <Colonel_Panic> no
[02:51] <minhaaj> yea i thought so.
[02:52] <Exilant> no, no text
[02:52] <willi_ballenthin> would anyone like any specific screenshots of kde4.1?
[02:52] <willi_ballenthin> im taking some now
[02:52] <minhaaj> wow sure willi_ballenthin
[02:52] <minhaaj> try to take screenshots of desktop, file managers, kopete, kaffeine as much as yo u could
[02:52] <minhaaj> :)
[02:52] <willi_ballenthin> sure
[02:52] <minhaaj> thanks
[02:52] <Exilant> there's also autoclean, which will remove only the cached debs of old versions
[02:53] <minhaaj> great.
[02:53] <bradley> A little off topic, but I was wondering if anyone here has some experience with rosegarden, jack, and qsynth and we can take my noobish(to rosegarden) request else where?
[02:53] <minhaaj> i wish there were a repository of ubuntu commands somewhere online
[02:53] <minhaaj> hehe i won't be any help with that bradley
[02:53] <minhaaj> sorry
[02:54] <willi_ballenthin> sorry, me neither...:-/
[02:55] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: how much did it free?
[02:55] <bradley> thanks, guys I got somebody over on the rosegarden IRC, have a good night
[02:56] <Exilant> good night
[02:56] <minhaaj> goodluck bradley
[02:56] <Colonel_Panic> about a GB
[02:56] <Colonel_Panic> still dangerously short of space though
[02:56] <Exilant> hm
[02:56] <minhaaj> wow alot of space :)
[02:56] <Exilant> do you have many kernels installed?
[02:57] <Colonel_Panic> is there a way to move all my system files off the /home dir of the small partition and just have "home" point to the big partition?
[02:57] <minhaaj> umm not that i know of Colonel_Panic
[02:57] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[02:57] <Exilant> sure
[02:57] <Colonel_Panic> I guess repartitioning is ging to be my only option
[02:58] <minhaaj> your sys files have to be in a place to work. since at back end file path is pre-configured i guess
[02:58] <minhaaj> thats way better Colonel_Panic
[02:58] <minhaaj> you wont have to worry about disk space shortage next time
[02:58] <Exilant> you can have symlinks and lvm and stuff
[02:58] <minhaaj> what are you gonna do with 450 gb anyways :)
[02:59] <Exilant> but seriously, 10 GB should be enough for ubuntu
[02:59] <Exilant> with gnome and kde3/4 and some games...
[02:59] <minhaaj> wayyyyyyyyy to much
[02:59] <minhaaj> no distro of ubuntu is more than 4 gb
[02:59] <willi_ballenthin> manhaaj: first crash :-/
[03:00] <willi_ballenthin> opening kaffeine
[03:00] <minhaaj> err
[03:00] <willi_ballenthin> but then again
[03:00] <minhaaj> what happened ?
[03:00] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: right now you have all on that one partition? and you want /home to be that other partition?
[03:00] <willi_ballenthin> the hardware of my tuner card is faulty
[03:00] <willi_ballenthin> crashes vista too
[03:00] <Colonel_Panic> I have 2 /home partitions
[03:00] <minhaaj> err
[03:00] <Colonel_Panic> one is /home
[03:00] <minhaaj> it works fine without hardware attached ?
[03:00] <Colonel_Panic> the other is /media/sda3/home
[03:00] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: i see
[03:01] <willi_ballenthin> *shrug* its internal
[03:01] <willi_ballenthin> i can try removing it
[03:01] <minhaaj> ahh ok
[03:01] <minhaaj> what are the specs of your box ?
[03:01] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: and you have some data in /home?
[03:02] <Colonel_Panic> well just the stuff that the system put there
[03:02] <Colonel_Panic> aw fudge... I borked some of my Wine apps
[03:02] <Colonel_Panic> oh well
[03:02] <minhaaj> you probably have downloaded files there too
[03:02] <Colonel_Panic> no big loss
[03:02] <minhaaj> because if its only sys files, you can't lose 10 gb
[03:02] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: so, .kde and such stuff?
[03:03] <willi_ballenthin> HP desktop, intel core2quad (q6600), 3gig ram, 2x360HDD, geforce 8500GT
[03:03] <minhaaj> do you have alot of downloads on your desktop ?
[03:03] <minhaaj> your system looks uber cool willi_ballenthin
[03:03] <Colonel_Panic> a few, but I have Firefox, Bittorrent, etc. instructed to download to specified dirs on the big partition
[03:03] <minhaaj> should crash.
[03:03] <willi_ballenthin> :-) thanks
[03:03] <minhaaj> hmm ok Colonel_Panic
[03:04] <minhaaj> you probably have a dvd or couple of xvid rips on your desktop
[03:04] <minhaaj> its enough to eat up gbs
[03:04] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: you can edit /etc/fstab in order to mount your other partition (/dev/sda3 i presume) on /home
[03:04] <minhaaj> actually i should see where my download are going too.
[03:05] <Exilant> before you'll have to move your old home, though
[03:05] <Colonel_Panic> damn... I thought I'd broken Castle Wolfenstein, but it's still working OK
[03:06] <Colonel_Panic> Exilant: If I did that, would I then have to move all my stuff off the /home directory into my /media/sda3/home dir?
[03:06] <Colonel_Panic> like, all the program directories and stuff?
[03:07] <minhaaj> thats strange my apps can't read my ntfs partition on which i have installed vista but it can find another drive with ntfs
[03:07] <Exilant> well, if you need them there
[03:07] <minhaaj> any idea ?
[03:07] <Colonel_Panic> BRB -- making beer brats for dnner
[03:08] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: it's all a bit tricky, not difficult though
[03:09] <helpy> when is kde4 stable version is due ?
[03:10] <helpy> brb
[03:10] <Exilant> well, 4.0 is final(tm)
[03:10] <willi_ballenthin> july 29 is 4.1 release
[03:10] <Exilant> but stable, wait for 4.1 or 4.2 or 4.2.2 ...
[03:10] <willi_ballenthin> whether thats stable or not..
[03:15] <willi_ballenthin> helpy: screenshots
[03:15] <willi_ballenthin> http://www.flickr.com/photos/xolot1/sets/72157605507065382/
[03:15] <willi_ballenthin> if anyone has requests, let me know
[03:18] <Exilant> ah, oxygen... i just don't get warm with it
[03:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> you should, it's incredibly flammable.
[03:20] <Exilant> :D
[03:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> i can't call 4.0 final.  i call 4.0 "developer final" - needs work, fine for people that want to take a look into the development process.
[03:21] <Exilant> yes, well, similar to kde 3.0 before
[03:25] <eightiesk> !flash
[03:33] <Colonel_Panic> OK Exilant, now how could I go about editing my /etc/fstab file to point "home" at /dev/sda3/home ?
[03:36] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: is there a line with /dev/sda3 in it?
[03:36] <Firefishe> For fun, I just compiled a stock kernel.  Well, like a meathead, I forgot to do a mkinitrd to create an initrd image in /boot, but I find in kubuntu, it's non existent.
[03:37] <Exilant> Firefishe: there's update-initramfs
[03:38] <Exilant> or mkinitramfs
[03:38] <Colonel_Panic> # Entry for /dev/sda3 :
[03:38] <Colonel_Panic> UUID=a103686e-b0a6-49bc-ac0b-b6383f838b52 /media/sda3 ext3 defaults 0 2
[03:39] <Exilant> ok
[03:39] <Firefishe> Exilant: either/or?
[03:39] <Exilant> i have both
[03:39] <Firefishe> any particular reason to use one over the other?
[03:39] <Exilant> i only used the first one, though,
[03:39] <Colonel_Panic> I'm checking out gparted right now
[03:39] <Firefishe> Exilant: k.
[03:40] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: you can change that /media/sda3 to basically anything you want
[03:40] <Exilant> however, there needs to be an empty dir as far as i know of that name
[03:40] <Colonel_Panic> well, what I want to do is, make /dev/hda3 into my /home directory
[03:41] <Exilant> well, the first problem there, you have a subdirectory home on it
[03:42] <Exilant> what is your user name?
[03:44] <Colonel_Panic> jalbert
[03:45] <Exilant> so, right now, is the data in /media/sda3/home/jalbert/ ?
[03:46] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[03:47] <Colonel_Panic> that's where I put my documents, etc.
[03:47] <Exilant> ok, first of all, move it to /media/sda3/jalbert
[03:47] <Exilant> or just make an empty dir of that name
[03:47] <Colonel_Panic> I'm having a little trouble configuring gparted for install
[03:48] <Exilant> you don't want gparted
[03:53] <Colonel_Panic> no?
[03:54] <Exilant> i guess not, you don't want to change partitions
[03:54] <Exilant> fstab is the file that tells linux where to put the different partitions when it boots up
[03:55] <Colonel_Panic> OK so how do I make /dev/sda3 into my /home partition?
[03:56] <Colonel_Panic> if I rename that direcrity, it's going to break a bunch of links
[03:56] <Exilant> so, first make a new one
[03:56] <Colonel_Panic> I mean, I can go through all my apps and change the dependencies
[03:56] <Exilant> mkdir /media/sda3/jalbert
[03:56] <Exilant> which dependencies?
[03:56] <Colonel_Panic> oh, OK so I make a new dir called "dev/sda3/jalbert"
[03:57] <Colonel_Panic> well not dependencies
[03:57] <Colonel_Panic> but links
[03:57] <Exilant> no, /media/sda3/ ...
[03:57] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[03:57] <Colonel_Panic> so I put a dir with my own username in the partition's root?
[03:58] <Exilant> yes
[03:58] <Colonel_Panic> ok that's done
[03:58] <Colonel_Panic> that's how it's already set up
[03:58] <Exilant> you want to mount that entire partition as /home/
[03:58] <Exilant> ok
[03:58] <Colonel_Panic> ok so how do I do that?
[03:59] <Colonel_Panic> do I change the fstab file?
[03:59] <Exilant> i guess sudo nano /etc/fstab is the simplest way
[03:59] <Exilant> or vi if you know how to use that
[04:00] <Colonel_Panic> I can use Kate
[04:00] <Colonel_Panic> kdesu kate or whatever
[04:00] <kalorin`> anyone here running 8.04?
[04:00] <Exilant> yes, sth. like that
[04:00] <kalorin`> with kde4
[04:01] <kalorin`> I'm finding that it's like there's no software for it, no gimp, no firefox
[04:01] <kalorin`> I can't find any of that
[04:01] <Exilant> colonel_panic : try to change that /media/sda3 to /home.new or sth. like that
[04:02] <Exilant> we'll later change it to /home
[04:02] <Colonel_Panic> wait...
[04:03] <Colonel_Panic> rename it in fstab?
[04:04] <Exilant> yes
[04:04] <Colonel_Panic> so I edit the fstab line: UUID=a103686e-b0a6-49bc-ac0b-b6383f838b52 /media/sda3 ext3 defaults 0 2
[04:04] <Exilant> yes, there
[04:04] <Colonel_Panic> to read: UUID=a103686e-b0a6-49bc-ac0b-b6383f838b52 /home.new ext3 defaults 0 2
[04:04] <Exilant> ok
[04:04] <Exilant> done?
[04:05] <Colonel_Panic> haven't saved it *yet*
[04:06] <Exilant> ok, so time to make a backup :)
[04:06] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[04:06] <Exilant> cp /etc/fstab /home
[04:07] <Exilant> sorry, good you didn't save yet, always a good idea to backup, editing might change linebreaks and such stuff
[04:07] <Colonel_Panic> ok backup done
[04:07] <Exilant> ok, now save
[04:08] <Colonel_Panic> I just saved it as fstab.backup
[04:08] <Exilant> ok, good
[04:08] <Colonel_Panic> ok saved
[04:09] <Exilant> now you need to create the place to mount it to
[04:09] <Colonel_Panic> eh?>
[04:09] <Exilant> sudo mkdir /home.new
[04:09] <Colonel_Panic> oh ok
[04:10] <Colonel_Panic> ok done
[04:10] <Exilant> ok, do you right now need /media/sda3?
[04:10] <Colonel_Panic> what do you mean?
[04:10] <Colonel_Panic> it's got all my stuff in it
[04:10] <Exilant> but you're not accessing it?
[04:11] <Colonel_Panic> um...
[04:11] <Exilant> so, could you live 10 seconds without it?
[04:11] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[04:11] <Colonel_Panic> nothing is using it at the mo
[04:12] <Exilant> ok, so we'll move it to its new place
[04:12] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[04:12] <Exilant> go to the console, type sudo umount /media/dsa3
[04:12] <Exilant> *sda
[04:13] <Colonel_Panic> umount: /media/dsa3: not found
[04:13] <Colonel_Panic> unmount
[04:13] <Colonel_Panic> right?
[04:13] <Exilant> no, really umount
[04:13] <Colonel_Panic> ...damn netsplit
[04:13] <Colonel_Panic> ok it said: umount: /media/dsa3: not found
[04:14] <Colonel_Panic> oh... duh
[04:14] <Colonel_Panic> sda
[04:14] <Exilant> yes, sorry
[04:14] <Colonel_Panic> @_@
[04:14] <Colonel_Panic> well I ought to be typing these myself anyway
[04:14] <Colonel_Panic> OK done
[04:14] <Exilant> ok, now type sudo mount /home.new
[04:15] <Colonel_Panic> ok...
[04:15] <Exilant> now it should be at /home.new
[04:16] <Exilant> try it
[04:16] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[04:16] <eightmillion> i need some help with the compiz taskbar
[04:16] <Colonel_Panic> it's at /home.new
[04:17] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: ok, fine
[04:17] <Colonel_Panic> eightmillion, what's the problem?
[04:17] <Exilant> later you can move it to /home
[04:17] <eightmillion> i can't get it to display tasks from just one workspace
[04:17] <eightmillion> i've tried about everything i could find
[04:18] <Exilant> the problem now is, you need to somehow move your old homedir away
[04:18] <Colonel_Panic> but first I have to move all my stuff out of my /home directory into the new dir, right?
[04:18] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: yes, more or less exactly that
[04:19] <Exilant> the problem there is, kde and other apps are using it
[04:19] <Colonel_Panic> so just cp all the files into the big partition under my username into that dor?
[04:19] <Colonel_Panic> I mean
[04:20] <Exilant> so what you want to do is, do that while not logged in to kde, on the console
[04:20] <Colonel_Panic> into the dir named after my username on the big partition
[04:20] <kalorin`> does anyone know about centrino wireless stuff?
[04:20] <Colonel_Panic> can't I just copy the files?
[04:20] <kalorin`> and why it wouldn't seem to be working on an 8.04 system?
[04:20] <ironfrost> hi
[04:20] <Colonel_Panic> will they not copy if they're in use?
[04:20] <ironfrost> I have a question about SCIM
[04:21] <Exilant> kalorin`: my ipw2200 works fine
[04:21] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: it will, probably, there's some evil stuff in the kde dir
[04:21] <ironfrost> I can't get Chinese text input to work properly on Kubuntu 8.04 - I followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu
[04:21] <kalorin`> exilant, I've got a toshiba and it's a pre core2 laptop
[04:22] <ironfrost> and it works properly in some applications (eg Kate, Konsole, Konversation - possibly all the KDE apps??)
[04:22] <kalorin`> for whatever reason it can't seem to get synced up with my router
[04:22] <ironfrost> but doesn't in Firefox or OpenOffice
[04:23] <eightmillion> kalorin`, your might try using WICD
[04:23] <ironfrost> my locale is en_GB
[04:23] <kalorin`> wicd?
[04:23] <kalorin`> I'll take a look
[04:23] <kalorin`> thanks
[04:23] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: try to copy it
[04:23] <gunsar> irc.eu.dal.net.
[04:24] <eightmillion> i had some luck with it when my wireless card wouldn't connect to my router
[04:24] <Colonel_Panic> OK so I log off then reboot to a command prompt, then copy the contents of /home into the /home.new dir, then delete /home and rn home.new to /home?
[04:24] <Exilant> that's not wrong in any case
[04:24] <Exilant> not quite
[04:24] <kalorin`> k thanks
[04:24] <kalorin`> I'll pull it next
[04:24] <Exilant> also, no need to reboot
[04:24] <Exilant> a logoff should be fine
[04:25] <Colonel_Panic> how do I get to a command prompt outside of KDE otherwiose?
[04:25] <Exilant> strg-alt-f2
[04:25] <Exilant> or f1,3,4,5,6
[04:26] <Colonel_Panic> wait...
[04:26] <Exilant> you can get back with ctrl-alt-f7
[04:27] <Exilant> hmm
[04:27] <Colonel_Panic> right now, there's a file named after my username inside the /home.new dir
[04:27] <Exilant> a file?
[04:27] <Exilant> not a directory?
[04:28] <Colonel_Panic> I mean a directory
[04:28] <Colonel_Panic> sorry
[04:28] <Exilant> ok, that will be your new home
[04:28] <Colonel_Panic> so do I copy the contents of the /home dir to the /home.new/jalbert directory?
[04:28] <Exilant> yes
[04:28] <Colonel_Panic> ok wil do
[04:33] <Exilant> oh grml, sun is shining again...
[04:33] <ign0ramus> help! how do i undo the following command: " sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer oss "?
[04:33] <dale> sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer oss
[04:34] <dale> or
[04:34] <dale> sudo rmmod snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer oss
[04:34] <ign0ramus> dale: i get a "FATAL: Module snd_mixer not found."
[04:35] <dale> then it's not loaded or you spelt it wrong
[04:35] <Colonel_Panic> yeah it doesn't seem to want to copy
[04:36] <Colonel_Panic> but there's a lot of crap in my /home dir
[04:36] <dale> are those two modules?
[04:36] <dale> or one
[04:36] <Colonel_Panic> 3.3 GB
[04:36] <F-u-z-z-Y> Hi there, I've just installed Kubuntu, How/Where can i find out that the drivers for the graphics card are installed correctly? Thanks
[04:36] <ign0ramus> dale: no, i think you are exactly right. i just upgraded my snes emulator, and sound was an issue. someone told me to run the above command, and now i get no sound at all
[04:37] <ign0ramus> dale: but on further inspection, it looks like the newest version, it only allows you to specify "sdl" sound or "auto" sound
[04:37] <dale> if that is two modules I'm not sure modprobe can handle more than one at a time
[04:37] <dale> try this
[04:37] <Colonel_Panic> Menu -> System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[04:37] <dale> sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[04:37] <dale> sudo modprobe snd_mixer oss
[04:38] <Colonel_Panic> You'll need to click "Administrator Mode" and enter your password
[04:38] <ign0ramus> dale: first command is good, second: "FATAL: Error running install command for snd_mixer"
[04:38] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: ok, so log out, and try to copy it on the command line
[04:39] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[04:39] <Exilant> though .kde and its symlinks are bitchy
[04:39] <ign0ramus> dale: i can only use SDL audio driver now, and sound quality is terrible!
[04:40] <ign0ramus> dale: but i upgraded at the same time someone told me to run the above command, so I'm not sure if it's the app's new version or the command that screwed things up
[04:40] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: try copy -pd
[04:41] <Colonel_Panic> copy -pd?
[04:41] <Exilant> so cp -pdr /home/jalbert/* /home.new/jalbert
[04:41] <Exilant> -p to not resolve those kde symlinks to /var cache files
[04:41] <Exilant> and -p to preserve file dates
[04:42] <Exilant> -r to copy recursively
[04:42] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[04:43] <Colonel_Panic> so to log out to a command line I press alt-f4?
[04:44] <Exilant> no
[04:44] <Exilant> hmm
[04:44] <Exilant> wondering, try that command in konsole
[04:44] <Exilant> it might work
[04:45] <Colonel_Panic> I have to log as su to do it though, right?
[04:46] <Colonel_Panic> sudo cp -pdr /home/jalbert/* home.new/jalbert
[04:46] <Colonel_Panic> right?
[04:46] <Exilant> yes
[04:46] <Exilant> hm, no
[04:47] <Exilant> you should own both directories
[04:48] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm it says
[04:48] <F-u-z-z-Y> Thank you Colonel_Panic, I think i have the correct drivers installed. I am trying to get Desktop effects working. I have installed Compiz and Desktop set on Extra effects but i see no difference. Anyone have any ideas?
[04:48] <Colonel_Panic> cp: target `home.new/jalbert' is not a directory
[04:48] <F-u-z-z-Y> Desktop effects set on *
[04:49] <ign0ramus> !info compiz
[04:49] <Exilant> it is not?
[04:49] <Colonel_Panic> there's a very good tutorial on getting Compiz set up
[04:49] <ign0ramus> well, that wasn't too helpful... i believe there is a room for compiz
[04:49] <Colonel_Panic> lemme see if I can find it
[04:49] <F-u-z-z-Y> ok thank you
[04:49] <Colonel_Panic> anybody have the URL offhand?
[04:50] <Colonel_Panic> the folks in #compiz-fusion will post it if you ask them
[04:50] <RiotingPacifist> F-u-z-z-Y: try running compiz from a terminal it should tell you whats happening
[04:50] <ign0ramus> f-u-z-z-y: did you check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion#head-f4aed4bfe7729780222e161618770913c6859869 ?
[04:51] <Colonel_Panic> cp: target `home.new/jalbert' is not a directory
[04:51] <F-u-z-z-Y> i'll check that link first... brb
[04:51] <Colonel_Panic> oh wait... I don't need that username after home.new
[04:51] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[04:52] <Exilant> you don't?
[04:52] <Colonel_Panic> do I?
[04:53] <Exilant>  /home.new/jalbert will be your new home
[04:54] <Exilant> so, what is /home.new/jalbert right now if not a directory?
[04:55] <Colonel_Panic> it is
[04:55] <Colonel_Panic> it worked, but it doesn't seem to have copied any of the hidden files
[04:55] <Exilant> not?
[04:56] <Exilant> try ls -a /home.new/jalbert/
[04:57] <Exilant> oh, i guess my mistake
[04:58] <Exilant> sorry
[04:58] <Exilant> * didn't do what i expected
[04:58] <Exilant> sudo cp -pdr /home/jalbert /home.new/
[04:59] <Exilant> if there is no directory jalbert in /home.new
[05:00] <RiotingPacifist> why sudo?
[05:00] <Exilant> ups, yeah
[05:00] <Exilant> no sudo, getting late
[05:03] <haryono> how to shrink bottom panel?
[05:04] <Colonel_Panic> I dunno, it doesn't seem to be copying the hidden files
[05:04] <willi_ballenthin> haryono: right click -> panel settings -> drag?
[05:04] <Colonel_Panic> it is taking a long time though
[05:12] <Rozza> ffs
[05:15] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: still copying?
[05:16] <Colonel_Panic> apparentlt so
[05:16] <Colonel_Panic> but when I check the directory, its contents doesn't seem to be growing
[05:16] <grendal_prime> i got a cell phone ..treo 650 it shoots video but in a 3gp format. On my old debian etc machine the sound worked fine on those videos..now..i get nada. (gutsy) any ideas?
[05:16] <Colonel_Panic> *don't*
[05:17] <Colonel_Panic> maybe I ought to log out and do it without KDE running
[05:18] <Exilant> grendal_prime: it's probably something to do with the amr libs
[05:19] <Exilant> grendal_prime: those have(or at least had) some weird copyright problems
[05:20] <Exilant> works in hardy though, in gutsy i had to compile mplayer myself
[05:21] <Colonel_Panic> yeah it didn't copy everything
[05:23] <skua> hi, anyone can help help me setting up unixODBC and libmysql to make MySQL works with OpenOFFICE BAse in kubuntu hardy 64bit with OBDCConfig
[05:23] <grendal_prime> bummer
[05:23] <grendal_prime> i wonder if vlc would handle it..i get a codec error
[05:23] <grendal_prime> i really like vlc more anyway.
[05:24] <grendal_prime> werid they went with xine based default..ive had nothing but trouble with xine
[05:26] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: good luck, i'll sleep a few hours, sorry i gave you the wrong command
[05:26] <skua> and how can i configure kaffeine to search codecs in my local repo not in on line repo?
[05:26] <Colonel_Panic> wrong command?
[05:27] <skua> hi, anyone can help help me setting up unixODBC and libmysql to make MySQL works with OpenOFFICE BAse in kubuntu hardy 64bit with OBDCConfig
[05:27] <skua> and how can i configure kaffeine to search codecs in my local repo not in on line repo?
[05:28] <grendal_prime> ya vlc works fine with sound
[05:28] <willi_ballenthin> Colonel_Panic: what files are missing?
[05:28] <willi_ballenthin> ive only been following very loosely
[05:28] <Colonel_Panic> I'm trying it again
[05:29] <willi_ballenthin> so i dk that ill be able to help much
[05:29] <Colonel_Panic> I'll let you know once it finishes
[05:29] <spikemcc> bonjour , mon ordinateur refuse d'installer windows ou prend 1-5 minutes de plus pour démarer sur windows apres l'essai d'ubuntu !!! hi , my pc refuse to install windows or take 1-5 minutes to boot after I tried ubuntu !!!
[05:29] <grendal_prime> skua: that was a mouthfull
[05:32] <skua_> yeah
[05:32] <skua_> anyone can help me?
[05:33] <Colonel_Panic> ok it didn't copy one of the Adept Updater files
[05:34] <spikemcc> bonjour , mon ordinateur refuse d'installer windows ou prend 1-5 minutes de plus pour démarer sur windows apres l'essai d'ubuntu !!! hi , my pc refuse to install windows or take 1-5 minutes to boot after I tried ubuntu !!!
[05:36] <spikemcc> bonjour , mon ordinateur refuse d'installer windows ou prend 1-5 minutes de plus pour démarer sur windows apres l'essai d'ubuntu !!! hi , my pc refuse to install windows or take 1-5 minutes to boot after I tried ubuntu !!!
[05:40] <willi_ballenthin> Colonel_Panic: sorry i was working on a PPT
[05:40] <Colonel_Panic> a PPT?
[05:40] <willi_ballenthin> what do you mean adept updater file?
[05:40] <willi_ballenthin> (powerpoint)
[05:40] <Colonel_Panic> oh ok
[05:40] <willi_ballenthin> is that all thats missing?
[05:40] <Colonel_Panic> hold on, let me identify it
[05:41] <Colonel_Panic> it's taking an awful long time to copy
[05:42] <kalorin`> is there a better wifi app than kwifimanager?
[05:42] <skua_> anyone how to set up unixODBC and libmysql to make mysql works with OOO Base with ODBCConfig, please
[05:42] <kalorin`> it just keeps telling me that the signal strength of my wireless network is zero
[05:43] <willi_ballenthin> open another terminal, type "cd /home", then "du -h jalbert"
[05:43] <willi_ballenthin> that will tell you how much youre probably copying
[05:45] <willi_ballenthin> kalorin`: sorry i dont, i often have that trouble
[05:47] <baudthief> Hopefully this doesnt seem n00b'ish - but after upgrading to Hardy and openning a folder, there is no option to sort by filetype - also its reverting to thumbnail view all the time (starting to get really annoying)
[05:47] <baudthief> is that normal!?
[05:48] <baudthief> There's only sort by name/size/date
[05:49] <baudthief> fixed the thumbnail view issue, but still no order by filetype
[05:51] <baudthief> can I at least go back to konquerer :P
[05:51] <spikemcc> bonjour , mon ordinateur refuse d'installer windows ou prend 1-5 minutes de plus pour démarer sur windows apres l'essai d'ubuntu !!! hi , my pc refuse to install windows or take 1-5 minutes to boot after I tried ubuntu !!!
[05:52] <Colonel_Panic> something weird is going on
[05:53] <Colonel_Panic> I have 4 desktops but the Desktop Pager on the KDE Panel is showing 8
[05:55] <willi_ballenthin> Colonel_Panic: is it still copying?
[05:55] <Colonel_Panic> willi_ballenthin: apparently 6 files did not copy
[05:55] <cpk1> kalorin`: I am distrustful of most gui networking tools and solely use commandline =P
[05:56] <Colonel_Panic> 104454 out of 104459
[05:56] <Colonel_Panic> how can I identify which ones did not copy?
[05:56] <Colonel_Panic> can't I use grep for that?
[05:56] <Colonel_Panic> compare the contents of one directory against another
[05:57] <willi_ballenthin> yeah, somehow
[05:57] <willi_ballenthin> im not entirely sure though
[05:57] <willi_ballenthin> *sure how though
[05:57] <Colonel_Panic> don't know shell scripting that well
[05:58] <Colonel_Panic> could those files be really critical?
[05:58] <willi_ballenthin> it was just your home directory, correct?
[05:59] <Colonel_Panic> is there a way to find out which ones copied and which didnt? Is there a log or something?
[05:59] <willi_ballenthin> did you copy via the command line?
[05:59] <skua_> anyone knows where are kubuntu hardy 64 bit repo, i'm using ubuntu hardy 64 bit repo
[05:59] <spikemcc> bonjour , mon ordinateur refuse d'installer windows ou prend 1-5 minutes de plus pour démarer sur windows apres l'essai d'ubuntu !!! hi , my pc refuse to install windows or take 1-5 minutes to boot after I tried ubuntu !!!
[05:59] <willi_ballenthin> i dont think theres a log
[05:59] <Colonel_Panic> hmm...
[05:59] <willi_ballenthin> but if you used the command line, it should have displayed errors when a file was not copied
[06:00] <willi_ballenthin>  or encountered an error
[06:01] <willi_ballenthin> Colonel_Panic: heres my suggestion
[06:01] <willi_ballenthin> since you still have all the old files
[06:01] <willi_ballenthin> try logging out
[06:01] <willi_ballenthin> and back in
[06:01] <willi_ballenthin> if something were to happen
[06:02] <willi_ballenthin> then youll get some info about what file is missing
[06:02] <willi_ballenthin> if nothing goes wrong, then youre all set?
[06:02] <Colonel_Panic> but the
[06:02] <cpk1> just try recopying it and assume no
[06:02] <cpk1> or copy it over again using -u
[06:02] <Colonel_Panic> shold I rename "/home" to "/home.old" and rename "/home.new" to "/home"?
[06:03] <Colonel_Panic> then log out?
[06:04] <willi_ballenthin> you had done "cp -r /home/jalbert /home.new" ?
[06:04] <willi_ballenthin> or, what was the command  you executed to copy?
[06:04] <Colonel_Panic> I renamed my sda3 directory to /home.new
[06:05] <F-u-z-z-Y> Hi there, I've just installed Kubuntu and i have no sound what so ever. I've checked all the mute settings etc, but dont know why. Any ideas?
[06:05] <cpk1> Colonel_Panic: try copying using the command with something like cp -uR /the/dir/I/copied
[06:05] <cpk1> also if you add v it will output more info
[06:07] <cpk1> i suppose the whole command would be cp -uRv /copy/this/ /over/to/here
[06:07] <Colonel_Panic> -uR?
[06:07] <skua_> F-u-z-z-y:work on the mixer, right click the speaker icon, make all maximum except the Mic, Mic Boost and Digital, i have the same problem
[06:07] <Colonel_Panic> damn I need a cigarette
[06:07] <Colonel_Panic> haven't smoked in over a week
[06:08] <Colonel_Panic> what does the -uR trigger do?
[06:08] <F-u-z-z-Y> skua, i've done that but still nothing
[06:08] <willi_ballenthin> -u : only copy when its a newer file
[06:08] <willi_ballenthin> -R : recursively
[06:09] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[06:09] <skua_> F-u-z-z-y: have you work on the master channel?
[06:09] <willi_ballenthin> cpk1: thanks
[06:10] <Colonel_Panic> Oh on a side note: I have 4 desktops but the Desktop Pager on the KDE Panel is showing 8
[06:11] <F-u-z-z-Y> all up full apart from mic,mic boost, front mic and front mic boost
[06:19] <skua_> F-u-z-z-y: in my system it worked, sorry thats all i know, may be any one else are more expert
[06:20] <F-u-z-z-Y> ok no problem
[06:20] <Dragonath> F-u-z-z-Y: are you sure if kubuntu recognizes your sound card?
[06:20] <skua_> anyone ho do i use KBFX?
[06:21] <skua_> anyone how do i use KBFX?
[06:22] <Dragonath> skua_: have you tried the documentation at http://www.kbfx.org ?
[06:22] <skua_> on it
[06:26] <Colonel_Panic> ok now I can't see my /sda3 directory
[06:26] <cpk1> Colonel_Panic: is it listed when you run mount in a terminal?
[06:27] <Colonel_Panic> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda3 is already mounted on /home.new
[06:27] <Colonel_Panic> mount failed
[06:28] <Colonel_Panic> now what do I do?
[06:29] <cpk1> Colonel_Panic: you cant cd to /home.new?
[06:29] <Colonel_Panic> yeah I can
[06:29] <flaccid_> Colonel_Panic, mount it correctly? remove invalid fstab entries and enable it in system settings - disk and filesystems
[06:30] <flaccid_> you might want to unmount it if you need to mount somewhere else. currents mounts in mount
[06:30] <Colonel_Panic> but I can't get to it using the file manager
[06:30] <flaccid_> can't get it?
[06:31] <cpk1> Colonel_Panic: that is your /dev/sda3 directory
[06:31] <skua_> Dragonath: success, thank you
[06:31] <flaccid_> hmm /dev/sda3 is not directory
[06:31] <cpk1> of course
[06:33] <Colonel_Panic> so I need to unmount it?
[06:34] <cpk1> Colonel_Panic: no, /dev/sda3 is mounted at /home.new
[06:34] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[06:36] <Colonel_Panic> I'm back to the problem of the system tray not having any icons anyn more
[06:37] <Colonel_Panic> so how can I make the /home.new dorectory into the /home directory?
[06:37] <flaccid_> make into?
[06:38] <Colonel_Panic> I need to make the /home.new directory my /home directory
[06:39] <Colonel_Panic> how can I do this?
[06:39] <Colonel_Panic> if I log out of KDE, can I do it?
[06:40] <Colonel_Panic> do I need to edit /etc/fstab again?
[06:40] <cpk1> Colonel_Panic: you just need it to mount at /home is all
[06:41] <flaccid_> yeah like just change the mountpoint in kdesudo /etc/fstab
[06:41] <Colonel_Panic> right
[06:43] <Colonel_Panic> ok something is fucked up now
[06:43] <flaccid_> !language | Colonel_Panic
[06:43] <Colonel_Panic> sorry
[06:43] <Colonel_Panic> but I can't open any KDE apps
[06:43] <flaccid_> best to explain specifically your problems so we can actually hel :)
[06:43] <flaccid_> help
[06:43] <Colonel_Panic> I cant even use the file manager
[06:44] <flaccid_> Colonel_Panic, yes because you did this in the DE logged in
[06:44] <flaccid_> it uses your ~/.kde and other files in ~/
[06:44] <Colonel_Panic> did what?
[06:44] <flaccid_> which is now moved etc.
[06:44] <Colonel_Panic> so then how can I fix this?
[06:44] <flaccid_> if you are changing /home always do it not logged into X
[06:45] <Colonel_Panic> how do I do it?
[06:45] <flaccid_> Colonel_Panic, make sure fstab is correct and reboot
[06:45] <Colonel_Panic> I can't open fstab
[06:45] <flaccid_> Colonel_Panic, paste the fstab entry here, we will check it then you can reboot. if the files are intact it wil go back to normal
[06:45] <Colonel_Panic> I can't open a terminal and I can't open the file manager
[06:46] <Colonel_Panic> I can't access fstab
[06:47] <flaccid_> Colonel_Panic, well if you fixed it correctly then just reboot
[06:47] <Colonel_Panic> when I try to open a terminal, nothng happens
[06:47] <Colonel_Panic> I can't edit fstab
[06:47] <Colonel_Panic> unless you know of some other way
[06:47] <flaccid_> when you say terminal, do you mean a konsole in X?
[06:48] <flaccid_> Colonel_Panic, do you know how to use ttys ?
[06:48] <flaccid_> aka virtual terminals
[06:48] <Colonel_Panic> you mean on the localhost?
[06:48] <Colonel_Panic> no
[06:48] <Colonel_Panic> I cannot open konsole
[06:49] <Colonel_Panic> I cannot open a command shell
[06:49] <Colonel_Panic> I don't know how much more plainly I can say it
[06:50] <Colonel_Panic> I'm going to reboot, and if I still have this problem afterward, then I'm going to bed
[06:50] <flaccid_> on the computer. you goto ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc. and then ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to the X tty
[06:50] <flaccid_> ^ but you should be able to do that
[06:50] <Colonel_Panic> it was a bad idea to try doing this
[06:52] <flaccid__> hmm seems i had a disconnect
[06:59] <flaccid__> i gtg
[06:59] <Colonel_Panic> OK well it looks like it worked, and now my /home directory is on the big partition
[06:59] <Colonel_Panic> but I still need to get rid of my old /home partition
[07:02] <legimia> I am tring to run runescape and need my user to be able to access the /rscache folder but the root account is the owner how might i change it
[07:08] <kalorin`> I'm completely unable to get the wireless going on my laptop
[07:08] <kalorin`> and I can't understand why
[07:08] <cef> anyone where recommend a way to install the sun version of java with firefox 3 (as comes with Kubuntu)? Just installing sun-java6-plugin doesn't seem to work
[07:08] <kalorin`> it says it sees the wireless network
[07:09] <kalorin`> its' WEP TKIP encrypted
[07:09] <kalorin`> but it never asks for a password or anything just hangs there and dies
[07:09] <kalorin`> kwifimanager kind of does the same deal
[07:09] <kalorin`> anyone know a ton about this stuff?
[07:22] <Colonel_Panic> hey thanks for all the help guys
[07:22] <Colonel_Panic> there are a few small loose ends I have to tie up but I can deal with that tomorrow
[07:40] <anh_> Question, first timer, how can make softlink in ubuntu 8
[07:40] <anh_> ?
[07:40] <anh_> i'm using virtual machine
[07:41] <legend> hi
[07:42] <anh_> hi
[07:42] <legend> can anyone help me ?
[07:42] <kdiggdy> hello
[07:42] <legend> i have a problem with mono
[07:42] <kdiggdy> that sounds personal ;)
[07:42] <kdiggdy> lol jk
[07:42] <legend> :)
[07:43] <legend> kdiggdy:  you can help me ? :D
[07:44] <kdiggdy> haha i just installed it 2 hours ago, i wish i could :P, I'm having troubles of my own right which sucks monkey nuts
[07:44] <Eruaran> Uninstall it ?
[07:44] <kdiggdy> thinkin about it
[07:46] <Urookie> hello
[07:50] <logixoul> Hi. In Kubuntu/KDE3 Alt+Tab no longer shows a list of tasks I can tab through. Instead it just switches to the "next" window. In the shortcut settings Alt+Tab is set to "Walk through windows". Any ideas?
[07:51] <kdiggdy> hey would someone be able to help me with screen resolutions? please?
[07:52] <logixoul> nevermind
[07:58] <fabio> ciao ragazzi. scusate ho installato obexftp ed ho kubuntu 7.10. Dove si trovano le librerie di questo programmino (obexftp intendo) ??
[07:59] <arccsine> hi
[07:59] <arccsine> hello?
[08:00] <arccsine> something is wrong
[08:00] <arccsine> hello??
[08:22] <aleboco> hi guys, after the last restricted-modules update resume doesn't work anymore, i'm using fglrx on hardy
[08:23] <aleboco> is there anyway to signal the thing other than a bug report (that i've already done)?
[08:39] <flaccid_> aleboco, i believe there is some info on google somewhere about setting up acpi etc. properly for fglrx (i did it once myself), im just not sure where..
[08:49] <ocs>  hi. maybe this is a stupid question, but i don't understand how to execute myprog with myargs with gdb, without entering in the prompt and typing "run". how can i do ? thnks
[08:49] <flaccid_> what is gdb?
[08:51] <aleboco> flaccid, thanks. but the problem is that i would just like to signal that the last update broke resume, as with the previous one everything worked fine
[08:51] <flaccid_> oh the gnu debugger forgot about that
[08:52] <flaccid_> aleboco, is this an assumption or did you make a POC? link to bug please
[08:52] <aleboco> flaccid, POC?
[08:54] <flaccid_> aleboco, proof of concept
[08:54] <minhaaj> why programs launch too late in kubuntu ?
[08:54] <minhaaj> i dont want those dancing icons when i launch a program
[08:54] <minhaaj> :s
[08:54] <flaccid_> too late?
[08:55] <minhaaj> takes forever to start a program
[08:55] <flaccid_> minhaaj, you can change the launch behaviour in system settings i think
[08:55] <minhaaj> i did turn off all animations
[08:55] <flaccid_> it does? run it from konsole and see why
[08:55] <minhaaj> didnt restart though
[08:55] <aleboco> flaccid, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/237815
[08:55] <minhaaj> how ?
[08:56] <aleboco> yep
[08:56] <flaccid_> faLUCE, lots on google
[08:56]  * flaccid_ goes to look at bug
[08:57] <jussi01> minhaaj: system settings, keyboard and mouse, mouse, untick visual feedback on activation
[08:57] <minhaaj> hang on
[08:58] <minhaaj> no effect
[08:58] <minhaaj> gotta reboot ?
[08:58] <jussi01> restart x I imagine
[08:59] <minhaaj> okie doke
[09:00] <minhaaj> nope didnt work
[09:00] <jussi01> minhaaj: so you still get the bouncy icon? o.O
[09:00] <minhaaj> yep
[09:00] <jussi01> works for me here
[09:00] <minhaaj> lucky you
[09:01] <jussi01> you do mean the one attached to the cursor, not the loading thing in the panel?
[09:01] <minhaaj> both
[09:01] <minhaaj> i want programs to load in a blink
[09:02] <minhaaj> just like windows
[09:02] <minhaaj> even my dolphin manager takes ages to load
[09:03] <flaccid_> thats unfortunate. how did you go in konsole?
[09:03] <minhaaj> konsole ?
[09:03] <minhaaj> its in system settings not in konsole
[09:04] <Yohumbus> minhaaj, are you using kde3 or the kde4 release of kubuntu?
[09:04] <minhaaj> kde3
[09:04] <minhaaj> 3.5.9
[09:05] <Yohumbus> ah ok, mine was having slowdown problems in 4 but Ive never had problems for 3
[09:05] <minhaaj> kde4 is buggy
[09:05] <flaccid_> minhaaj, i said to to run a program in konsole to see if there are problems and why it takes time...
[09:05] <minhaaj> how do you run a program in konsole ?
[09:05] <flaccid_> it could be normal
[09:06] <flaccid_> minhaaj, eg. amarok &
[09:06] <minhaaj> whats the command ?
[09:06] <minhaaj> i simply click the program to run it
[09:06] <minhaaj> run amarok ?
[09:06] <flaccid_> ^^
[09:06] <Yohumbus> go to the kde menu/system/konsole
[09:06] <flaccid_> its an example
[09:06] <minhaaj> i know where is konsole
[09:07] <minhaaj> i dont know what do you mean run a program through konsole
[09:07] <jussi01> read what flaccid_ said again...
[09:07] <minhaaj> ok
[09:07] <jussi01> [11:06:02] <flaccid_> minhaaj, eg. amarok &
[09:07] <minhaaj> got it
[09:07] <minhaaj> took about 5 sec
[09:08] <jussi01> minhaaj: what is your processor/machine?
[09:08] <minhaaj> 1.6 ghz dual core
[09:08] <minhaaj> 1 gb ram
[09:08] <jussi01> amd/intel?
[09:08] <minhaaj> intel
[09:09] <minhaaj> dell inspiron 6400
[09:09] <jussi01> minhaaj: can you pastebin the output when you ran amarok & ?
[09:09] <flaccid_> sounds about right to me
[09:09] <minhaaj> theres nothing to paste.
[09:09] <minhaaj> it does run
[09:09] <flaccid_> amarok is a bad example but because how much it loads on startup
[09:09] <minhaaj> takes forever to launch though
[09:10] <minhaaj> i tried all of em
[09:10] <minhaaj> vlc
[09:10] <flaccid_> how long is forever?
[09:10] <minhaaj> firefox
[09:10] <minhaaj> filezilla
[09:10] <flaccid_> 5 seconds not too bd
[09:10] <minhaaj> hang on let me count flaccid_
[09:10] <flaccid_> actually 5 seconds is a long time but yeah
[09:10] <flaccid_> windows can definately be faster than kubuntu
[09:10] <minhaaj> why ?
[09:11] <flaccid_> because its a not a full OS basically
[09:11] <minhaaj> 6 sec to launch dolphin
[09:11] <minhaaj> its awful
[09:11] <flaccid_> its all argumentative anyway. we are comparing something which has millions of different variables on each side
[09:11] <flaccid_> minhaaj, how long for konqueror ?
[09:11] <minhaaj> i dont use it
[09:11] <minhaaj> i use firefox
[09:11] <flaccid_> so?
[09:11] <minhaaj> so ?
[09:11] <flaccid_> that doesn't stop you from running/testing it
[09:12] <jussi01> How long for konq?
[09:12] <minhaaj> i have removed it ?
[09:12] <jussi01> minhaaj: the reason we ask is that firefox and gtk programs need to load their own libs first
[09:13] <minhaaj> i dont have konqueror :)
[09:13] <flaccid_> well if it is taking that long for programs, i guess something is wrong. finding out what it is is another thing
[09:13] <jussi01> so if you are running gtk stuff mostly, its proabably better to be on gnome
[09:13] <flaccid_> minhaaj, it can be installed probably faster than you can launch it atm :)
[09:13] <minhaaj> what can be installed ?
[09:13] <minhaaj> gnome ?
[09:14] <minhaaj> let me tell you the progs i am using
[09:14] <jussi01> !gnome
[09:14] <minhaaj> i know jussi01
[09:15] <minhaaj> kopete, skype, google talk prism, konversaton, firefox, vlc, openoffice, thunderbird, scribus, gimp, kpdf etc
[09:15] <minhaaj> i have been strongly recommended against gnome
[09:16] <aleboco> flaccid, what do you thing of the bug? how can i improve it?
[09:16] <holycow> minhaaj: well just use it and see for your self
[09:17] <holycow> i mean i have switched to kde4 but if you really want to know just use gnome for a while
[09:17] <minhaaj> i dont like anyways holycow i had a bad experience installing ubuntu
[09:17] <jussi01> minhaaj: id agree with holycow - try it your self
[09:17] <minhaaj> thats why i a on kubuntu
[09:17] <holycow> well everyone has bad experiences
[09:17] <holycow> nothing is guaranteed to be perfect
[09:17] <jussi01> minhaaj: consider using kde apps instad then - ie kontact instead of thuderbird etc
[09:17] <flaccid_> aleboco, there is no POC that is was the upgrade, it simply says the same thing you told me here
[09:17] <minhaaj> kubuntu was easier though
[09:17] <holycow> the biggest problem is typically that hardware is manufactured by companies that don understand open source
[09:18] <flaccid_> aleboco, considering its closed software the devs are not going to enjoy working with a bug report like that...
[09:18] <holycow> so we are always working around their issues instead of collaborating
[09:18] <minhaaj> its capitalistic.
[09:18] <holycow> kubuntu is capitalistic?
[09:18] <minhaaj> MS is
[09:18] <holycow> ah
[09:18] <holycow> *nod*
[09:19]  * jussi01 suggests continuing this thread of discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:19] <aleboco> flaccid, it's just strange. because as soon as i upgraded, resume didn't work. then it worked. now it doesn't work again.
[09:19] <holycow> jussi01: please don't turn this channel in #ubuntu
[09:19] <eagles0513875> does anyone know of any gaming ide's in teh repos
[09:19] <eagles0513875> *the
[09:19] <holycow> i've had it up to <--> here with the bloody users in that channel editing the slightest tangent
[09:20] <aleboco> flaccid, all of this without me touching any thing
[09:20] <aleboco> flaccid, any way thanks!
[09:20] <flaccid_> aleboco, that doesn't conclude anything. gotta learn to not make assumptions but instead be pro active and investigate (especially when its likely because its closed)
[09:20] <eagles0513875> does anyone know of any gaming ide's for game dev in the repos
[09:20] <holycow> bbiab
 ..... I like that :D
[09:21] <aleboco> flaccid, problem it's i've exams and not so much time for the next two week
[09:22] <flaccid_> aleboco, my point is that we don't know anything besides 'it doesn't work now'. it could be amd's fault and it usually is. what i would be doing is googling for fglrx acpi setup and check the config of it at least instead of just complaining
[09:22] <RiotingPacifist> im getting a dependancy error when trying to install libqt-webkit, the thing is i just installed what it was looking for
[09:23] <flaccid_> aleboco, i will try to look at it myself if i find the time...
[09:23] <aleboco> flaccid, i agree, i'll do when i have time
[09:23] <flaccid_> everything doesn't just work on Linux :)
[09:24] <holycow> does anyone know in which folder kdm-kde4 holds its config file?
[09:24] <RiotingPacifist> unless it does, in which case its great :D
[09:24] <eagles0513875> holycow: if u have kde4 issues try #kubuntu-kde4
[09:25] <holycow> fair enough
[09:25] <RiotingPacifist> why is aptitude ignoring me ;'(
[09:26] <eagles0513875> !aptfix | RiotingPacifist
[09:26] <eagles0513875> does anyone know any gaming dev ide thats in the repos
[09:26] <RiotingPacifist> sudo aptitude install libqtwebkit-dev, doesnt do anything but apt give "libqtwebkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-dev but it is not going to be installed/n E: Broken packages"
[09:27] <eagles0513875> RiotingPacifist: you compiling from source
[09:27] <RiotingPacifist> nope, well im going to compile google gadgets from source but trying to install dependancies is whats got me stuck
[09:29] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, dont' repeat
[09:33] <jazman> hey
[09:34] <flaccid_> hiu
[09:34] <jazman> any good progs so i can print on cds with my cannon printer i like cd label print
[09:35] <jazman> hate wrting by hand
[09:35] <jazman> kubuntu is better than mandriva
[09:37] <Standalf> Hi
[09:37] <Standalf> I have a little bit problem, I'm new it linux :)
[09:38] <Standalf> ﻿I have just installed Kubuntu and after update and reboot has appeared Drivers window. There is written my graphic card (ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT) and if i click to install it, it will write me "you are not root..." so How can I install it from console or how can I log as root graphically?
[09:38] <jazman> me too but fire away
[09:38] <Standalf> Can anyone help me please?
[09:38] <theseinfeld> persia who will take care of the bug?
[09:39] <flaccid_> Standalf, hardware drivers manager in system settings
[09:39] <Standalf> on server rizon channel linux -> no answer :/
[09:39] <eagles0513875> sry flaccid_
[09:39] <jazman> how about printing on printable disks
[09:39] <flaccid_> jazman, i think k3b can do some authoring
[09:39] <Standalf> flaccid yes, it writes mi I am not root :(
[09:40] <flaccid_> Standalf, run it under kdesudo like this: kdesudo jockey-kde
[09:40] <jazman>  ilook at that so i can print on the disk then
[09:40] <Standalf> I can log as root only in console but in console I cant install it
[09:40] <flaccid_> !doesntwork | Standalf
[09:40] <flaccid_> errors usually help..
[09:41] <Standalf> flaccid: yes it works, thank you
[09:41] <jazman> sorry k3b has no printing options
[09:42] <Standalf> I wrote to the console what flaccid told and it asked me for root password, now its installing =)
[09:42] <flaccid_> np Standalf
[09:42] <flaccid_> one sec jazman
[09:43] <jazman> cool b back in a min tea time
[09:43] <Standalf> I will be here coz I maybe will need help with more things, sure like first I will use internet :)
[09:43] <Standalf> I have to reboot brb
[09:44] <l3x> how do i make compiz start automatically with the system?
[09:46] <l3x> iz anyone alive?
[09:47] <eagles0513875> does anyone know when k3b became a bulky resource hog when copying cd's
[09:48] <flaccid_> !autostart | l3x
[09:48] <flaccid_> l3x, add compiz --replace to your autostart ^
[09:49] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, usually because it clogs up the ata bus
[09:49] <l3x> thanx flaccid_
[09:49] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: any fix for it and why r u in here twice
[09:49] <flaccid_> np
[09:49] <eagles0513875> *are you
[09:49] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: and flaccid
[09:50] <Standalf> muhaha, its really working :D
[09:50] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, its a hardware limitation. the other flaccid is at home, im somewhere else
[09:50] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: gotcha at least put flaccid_work or something
[09:51] <flaccid_> they are unique already eagles0513875
[09:51] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:51] <Standalf> I'm starting to like linux :) I didnt like windows so much because after a few months / year they are starting to get worse
[09:51] <l3x> Standalf: linux rox, man
[09:52] <Standalf> one more question: Does linux see FAT32 partitons? I'would make one partition for share betwen windows / linux :)
[09:52] <l3x> yes
[09:52] <l3x> that is how you share between them.
[09:52] <Standalf> thx
[09:53] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: would woould changing the k3b priority make it any faster
[09:53] <l3x> and, linux sees ntfs too.
[09:53] <eagles0513875> Standalf: thats what samba is there for
[09:53] <flaccid_> windows can also mount ext2/3 with installation of driver
[09:53] <l3x> use ntfs-3g to use ntfs partitions
[09:53] <eagles0513875> !samba | Standalf
[09:53] <Standalf> I dont wanna move sources over flash disk
[09:53] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, no idea
[09:53] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, no samba is networking not local
[09:53] <Standalf> Aha, I will try it, thx
[09:54] <RiotingPacifist> what is it with people around here always with the samba!
[09:54] <l3x> samba is for sharing in windows network environment
[09:54] <l3x> ubuntu automounts ntfs and fat32 partitions
[09:54] <flaccid_> samba is for sharing in any environment :)
[09:54] <Standalf> :)
[09:54] <eagles0513875> Standalf: just create a normal windows partition and with ntfs3g you can get rw access to it
[09:54] <RiotingPacifist> Standalf: yes linux can see fat32 and as of right not FAT32 is still the better supported than NTFS althuogh ntfs is usable
[09:54] <l3x> xD
[09:55] <eagles0513875> Standalf: my apologies about that
[09:55] <flaccid_> ntfs is native to kernel now
[09:55] <flaccid_> its wrapped into 3g iirc
[09:55] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: so ntfs3g is no longer needed
[09:55] <Standalf> I know fat32 is better than fuc*** NTFS, but I didn't know it before when I formated my hdd to NTFS :(
[09:55] <l3x> flaccid_: yes, but without rw
[09:55] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, thats what i said, not you now back off
[09:56] <flaccid_> you can rw with ntfs pretty good now
[09:56] <eagles0513875> O_o
[09:56] <l3x> flac
[09:56] <l3x> flaccid_: didn;t know that :)
[09:56] <flaccid_> pretty reliable now suprisingly
[09:57] <Standalf> I like Adept :)) install everything what I want :) I dont have to search like an idiot
[09:57] <RiotingPacifist> Standalf: if your drive is already ntfs then leave it ntfs support is fairly good
[09:58] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: only headache i find with ntfs is that when you have to improperly shut it down you have run chekdsk on it before being able to access it again then after check disk boot into windows the reboot
[09:58] <eagles0513875> *then
[10:00] <flaccid_> yep, that can be frustrating but ntfs-progs or something can scan now i heard
[10:01] <l3x> when i ad comp0iz--replace to autostart, i add it as startup or ENV?
[10:01] <Standalf> aha
[10:01] <l3x> i put it ENV. is that ok?
[10:01] <Standalf> What PHP editor or some multi editor are you using?
[10:02] <l3x> me?
[10:02] <Standalf> everyone :)
[10:02] <Standalf> I dont know what editor I should install
[10:02] <l3x> i do not use it.:)
[10:03] <Standalf> aha :) I have seen Eclipse, Jedit
[10:03] <flaccid_> Standalf, try eclipse
[10:03] <flaccid_> l3x, you just put the command in its own shell script. no env
[10:04] <l3x> got to go, bye bye ppl! Eclipse is good.
[10:04] <Standalf> ok, thx. and commander? Krusader?
[10:04] <Standalf> bye
[10:04] <l3x> flaccid_: i put it in kcontrol-autostart..
[10:04] <flaccid_> !info kmediafactory | jazman
[10:04] <l3x> Krusader rocks!
[10:04] <flaccid_> l3x, cool then
[10:04] <Standalf> :) I will install it
[10:04] <flaccid_> i forgot about that
[10:04] <l3x> flaccid_: there is a choice of startup, shutdown and ENV
[10:05] <flaccid_> krusader is the shiz
[10:05] <flaccid_> l3x, so startup
[10:05] <Standalf> flaccid: what are u using?
[10:05] <flaccid_> im off in 2mins
[10:05] <l3x> Standalf: krusader is most efficient file browser commander style for linux
[10:05] <flaccid_> Standalf, im a web dev and use kate.
[10:05] <Standalf> aha
[10:05] <l3x> ok
[10:05] <l3x> bye
[10:05] <Standalf> bye
[10:06] <flaccid_> i don't need help with coding :)
[10:06] <jazman> thank u flaccid ill install it throught add remove or sudo apt
[10:06] <flaccid_> anyway take it easy
[10:06] <flaccid_> cyas
[10:07] <ubuntu> bring me a shrubbery!
[10:08] <sonoftheclayr> What is the name and location of the configuration file for the application menu?
[10:18] <Standalf> flaccid: When you wrote here that command ehm: kdesudo.... could you repeat it? I didnt have turn on history so I cant look if I will need it again sometime
 Standalf, run it under kdesudo like this: kdesudo jockey-kde
[10:19] <Standalf> thx :)
[10:35] <jazman> whtas abother easy way to install a package i have saved on hd ohter than sudo apt
[10:40] <main> всем привет
[10:40] <main> Подскажите пожалуйста как kubuntu  ввести в  домен win 2003
[10:41] <main> Подскажите пожалуйста как kubuntu  ввести в  домен win 2003
[10:41] <ollor__> !ru
[10:42] <ollor__> !ru | main
[10:42] <main> What
[10:42] <main> Plese help to Ubuntu for domain win 2003
[10:43] <ollor__> ??
[10:45] <Standalf> omg, stupid pidgin :( it has history just before I disconnect
[10:45] <Standalf> I have to download something better
[10:48] <ollor__> Standalf: are you only using irc?
[10:50] <Colonel_Panic> Since i switched my /home direcrory, iI'm getting no sound
[10:51] <Colonel_Panic> whatsoever
[10:51] <eagles> !ghost
[10:52] <eagles0513875> thats better
[10:52] <Colonel_Panic> anybody have any ideas on troubeshooting sound problems?
[10:54] <Standalf> and ICQ, but I dont know how to join on ICQ here
[10:57] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: there are a lot of ways to troubleshoot, depends on the trouble you have :-)
[10:57] <Colonel_Panic> no sound
[10:58] <Colonel_Panic> I switched my /home dir and now my sound doesn't work
[10:58] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: did you turn up the volume? plugin everything correct?
[10:58] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[10:58] <Colonel_Panic> I haven't changed a thing hardware-wise
[10:59] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: ok, i know the question seems stupid, but i've seen too much :D
[10:59] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: how many sound devices do you have?
[10:59] <Colonel_Panic> 2
[10:59] <Colonel_Panic> an onboard sound system and a Sounblaster Live
[10:59] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: and you use kde 3.5.x?
[11:00] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[11:00] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: i would assume that the system sends the output to the wrong soundcard
[11:00] <Colonel_Panic> I've tried plugging into both and neither works
[11:01] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: which program do you use for playback?
[11:01] <Colonel_Panic> um... VLC, Amarok
[11:01] <Colonel_Panic> Mplayer
[11:01] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: neither works?
[11:02] <Colonel_Panic> right
[11:02] <Colonel_Panic> no sound output whatsoever
[11:02] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: hm, could you install aumix and check the volumes with that program?
[11:02] <Colonel_Panic> even the system sounds like for the alert boxes don't fork
[11:03] <Colonel_Panic> aumix?
[11:03] <sveri> yes thats a console mixer which always worked perfect for me
[11:03] <Colonel_Panic> I use Kmix
[11:03] <sveri> i often had problems with kmix when a soundchannel was muted
[11:05] <The_ManU_212> hi
[11:05] <The_ManU_212> why is standby so buggy with hardy heron?
[11:06] <john_> ihave a problem with my internet ok
[11:06] <sveri> ok
[11:07] <john_> it is very slow
[11:07] <Colonel_Panic> the sound just stopped working
[11:07] <john_> i an in natal  brasil
[11:08] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: what do you exactly mean when you say you switched your home directory?
[11:08] <Colonel_Panic> I was running out of room in my root partition
[11:09] <Colonel_Panic> so I made my secondary partition (which is big) into my /home directory
[11:09] <sveri> Colonel_Panic: you mean you created a new home directory on your second partition?
[11:09] <Colonel_Panic> I mount dev/sda3 at /home
[11:09] <sveri> ah ok
[11:10] <Colonel_Panic> should have known this was a bad idea
[11:10] <sveri> and then you copied everything from your old home partition to your new one?
[11:10] <Colonel_Panic> it hasn't really solved anything and has caused a lot og problems
[11:10] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[11:10] <sveri> which filesystem does the other partition have?
[11:10] <jussi01> that shouldnt break anything
[11:11] <Colonel_Panic> ext3
[11:11] <Colonel_Panic> I tried rebooting and it still won't work
[11:12] <sveri> indeed this shouldnt cause trouble
[11:14] <Colonel_Panic> I'm going to go get some sleep
[11:14] <Colonel_Panic> been up all night with this crap
[11:14] <sveri> hehe, that often helps
[11:15] <Brian88> all... is there any good virtualizer for kubuntu 8.04..? virtualbox seems very hard to install, vmware is very big 200MB... any idea?
[11:15] <Standalf> damn, I can't find game. I installed it, I see good directory but it's only system documents :/
[11:15] <Standalf> where is that 100MB?
[11:16] <Brian88> Standalf: the beta 2 version 235 MB, the 1.06 version 112MB
[11:17] <Standalf> I will try some system searching
[11:19] <adred> hi i can't play mp3 on amrok, says xine was uable to initialize any audio drivers. help pls
[11:20] <adred> hi i can't play mp3 on amarok, says xine was uable to initialize any audio drivers. help pls
[11:20] <jussi01> !mp3
[11:21] <eagles0513875> adred: download lame
[11:22] <adred> eagles0513875, what is lame?
[11:22] <eagles0513875> its the mp3 decoder
[11:22] <eagles0513875> !lame | adred
[11:22] <RiotingPacifist> you dont need lame to play mp3s its an mp3 encoded
[11:22] <RiotingPacifist> *encoder
[11:22] <eagles0513875> RiotingPacifist: to get amarok to play mp3s u need it
[11:23] <eagles0513875> it functions as the decoder as well
[11:23] <eagles0513875> at least for me i wouldnt be able to play mp3 strems without it
[11:23] <dnsart_> Hello, can someone help me to install a Wlan Driver?
[11:23] <Brian88> eagles0513875: eagles0513875, do you know how to install VirtualBox (not OSE) in Kubuntu 8.04 in easy steps?
[11:23] <stdin> amarok doesn't use lame, it uses xine/ffmpeg
[11:23] <eagles0513875> Brian88: u talking about from source
[11:23] <eagles0513875> *you
[11:24] <eagles0513875> stdin: ffmpeg = mp3
[11:24] <RiotingPacifist> adred follow the lints ubottu just gave they should give a package like xine-restricted or kubuntu-restricted to install and it should work
[11:24] <stdin> adred: package name: libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:24] <Brian88> eagles0513875: this trick is only for OSE, and I still need USB... >>>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[11:25] <eagles0513875> Brian88: not quite understanding what u wanting to do
[11:25] <adred> ive intalled kubuntu-restricted-extras already but still i can't play mp3s. now im instaling ubuntu-restricted extras hoping some luck
[11:25] <eagles0513875> Brian88: i just install the ose
[11:25] <eagles0513875> Brian88: or you can compile from source to tailor it specifically for ur machine
[11:26] <eagles0513875> *your
[11:26] <RiotingPacifist> i thnik stdin's pakage is probably what your looknig for ( libxine1-ffmpeg )
[11:26] <Brian88> eagles0513875: I want to install VirtualBox, I followed the trick on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox, but the trick is for OSE.
[11:26] <Brian88> eagles0513875: I still need usb
[11:26] <Brian88> eagles0513875: so how to
[11:26] <stdin> Brian88: go to http://virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[11:26] <Brian88> eagles0513875: install vbox not OSE easily]
[11:27] <eagles0513875> Brian88: give me a chance to get it downloaded and installed
[11:27] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:27] <stdin> click "Download" and choose "Ubuntu 8.04" from the list
[11:27] <Brian88> stdin: trying.. thanks
[11:30] <Brian88> stdin: is this the right deb file for me? :  virtualbox_1.6.2-31466_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb
[11:31] <stdin> Brian88: are you on 32bit hardy?
[11:31] <Brian88> stdin: yes
[11:31] <stdin> then it is :)
[11:31] <eagles0513875> stdin: hows it going
[11:31] <Brian88> stdin: okay... but hardy is the codename of the 8.04 right?
[11:32] <eagles0513875> stdin: you coulding have picked a more linuxy name that stdin
[11:32] <eagles0513875> Brian88: yes it is
[11:32] <stdin> Brian88: yeah, latest stable release
[11:32] <adred> hello, ive installed ubuntu-restricted-extras, libxine1-ffmpeg, and lame but i still "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers" error. help pls
[11:32] <stdin> eagles0513875: I could, but changing it is a headache, so eh
[11:32] <stdin> adred: did you exit and restart amarok after installing the packages?
[11:33] <eagles0513875> stdin: why stdin not stdout or stderr lol
[11:33] <stdin> eagles0513875: stdout and stderr were taken :p
[11:33] <eagles0513875> stdin: there is lspci lsscsi lol
[11:34] <eagles0513875> so many a linux name lol i dont know where to begin
[11:37] <haryono> how to shrink bottom panel to fit windows screen?
[11:39] <jussi01> haryono: come again?
[11:40] <haryono> yes.jussie
[11:42] <haryono> jussie u know how to delete bottm panel?
[11:45] <RiotingPacifist> haryono i dont know about delete but i know you can hide it with 0 size show buttons
[11:50] <engineer> RiotingPacifist (11:42:58) —› quit: (haryono) (n=haryono@117.103.61.134) (Remote closed the connection)
[11:53] <Standalf> how can I .x86 file overwrite by new .x86 file from internet? I mean in the game, actually tremulous
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> "mv newfile /path/to/oldfile"
[11:54] <SlimeyPete> so "sudo mv tremulous.x86 /usr/bin/tremulous/" or something.
[11:55] <Standalf> I will try
[11:56] <jussi01> Standalf: getting the backported executable?
[11:56] <Standalf> jussi01: jea
[11:56] <Standalf> it doesnt work
[11:56] <jussi01> :)
[11:57] <jussi01> you need to chmod +x it
[11:57] <Standalf> I dont know where is tremulous, I mean all tremulous
[11:57] <Standalf> chmod +x write to console?
[11:58] <jussi01> Standalf: the executable you downloaded, do, sudo chmod +x tremulous.x86
[11:59] <flaccid_> !tremulous
[11:59] <flaccid_> hmm
[12:00] <flaccid_> !info tremulous
[12:01] <Standalf> it doesnt work :(
[12:01] <Standalf> I wrote sudo chmod +x tremulous.x86 and no answer
[12:02] <flaccid_> Standalf, its in the repos. you can just install it with adept etc.
[12:02]  * dr_Willis missed the original problem.
[12:02] <flaccid_> no need to download manual
[12:03] <flaccid_> Standalf, but yeah now you run it with sudo ./tremulous.x86 if its the installer..
[12:03] <Standalf> I installed it, but there exist one more .x86 file where are repaired bugs with downloading maps etc
[12:04] <flaccid_> Standalf, well we don't know what the file is for. did you read the doco ?
[12:04] <Standalf> I downloaded new .x86 file and I want to overwrite it by the old .x86 but I dont know where is old .x86 file
[12:04] <oscar> buenas
[12:04] <Standalf> No i didn't
[12:05] <flaccid_> Standalf, if you just want to overwrite the file and not run it, then just paste the file in dolphin and say 'yes' to overwrite or use the mv command in konsole
[12:05] <Standalf> I want to run tremulous with new .x86 file.
[12:06] <oscar> how i'll do for install vmwaretools at ubuntu?
[12:06] <flaccid_> Standalf, um, the question is, what is this file ? we do not know what it is for..
[12:06] <flaccid_> is it the installer ?
[12:06] <Standalf> nope, it should be new launcher
[12:07] <Standalf> it has same name like old, but this new is repaired
[12:07] <adred> hey, what is it i can't play mp3 eventhough ive installed ubuntu-restricted-extras already? each time i luance amarok it a "xine was unable to initialze any audio drivers" error. help pls
[12:07] <adred> hey, what is it i can't play mp3 eventhough ive installed ubuntu-restricted-extras already? each time i luancg amarok i get a "xine was unable to initialze any audio drivers" error. help pls
[12:07] <Standalf> but I dont know where can I find old tremulous... I see only a few system files but where is those 100MB?
[12:07] <adred> hey, why is it i can't play mp3 eventhough ive installed ubuntu-restricted-extras already? each time i luancg amarok i get a "xine was unable to initialze any audio drivers" error. help pls
[12:08] <flaccid_> Standalf, <flaccid_> Standalf, but yeah now you run it with sudo ./tremulous.x86 if its the installer..
[12:08] <flaccid_> !enter | adred
[12:08] <Jucato> adred: install kubuntu-restricted-extras. Ubuntu and Kubuntu use different codecs
[12:09] <flaccid_> adred, i won't help because you repeated 3 times, cya
[12:09] <Standalf> flaccid: the directory is only ./tremulous
[12:09] <flaccid_> too nice Jucato  :)
[12:09] <Jucato> oh I didn' see the other 2 times
[12:09] <bazhang> adred install win32codecs from medibuntu.org
[12:09] <adred> flaccid, im sorry
[12:09] <Standalf> tremulous.x86 should be executable file
[12:09] <flaccid_> Standalf,  huh ?
[12:09] <flaccid_> Standalf, sorry mate i don't think this is in your skillset
[12:10] <Standalf> :(
[12:10] <flaccid_> best to learn cli first
[12:10] <Standalf> cli?
[12:11] <flaccid_> command line interface. in this case the terminal/shell
[12:11] <adred> Jucato, my box says kubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest verion. what should i do?
[12:11] <flaccid_> for example . is pwd which is present working directory
[12:12] <Standalf> aha... :-\ in windows I only downloaded new .exe file, put it to TREMULOUS directory and started it. But I dont know how can I start tremulous by new .x86 file :(
[12:14] <flaccid_> Standalf, link me to it and i'll tell you. best to read the doco :)
[12:14] <Standalf> I think, now I launch tremulous in console: tremulous. I dont know how I can launch it over new .x86 file thats all
[12:14]  * flaccid_ would rather help a user then keep hearing desperation :)
[12:14] <Standalf> http://tremulous.tjw.org/backport/linux/
[12:14] <flaccid_> Standalf, i don't even know what this x86 file is. is it the installer, is it a library, is it a patch, is it he binary for the program, who knows...
[12:14] <Standalf> this is the file
[12:15] <Standalf> flaccid, if in windows it was .exe here it should be binary right?
[12:15] <flaccid_> Standalf, how did you find that. where is the doco?
[12:15] <flaccid_> Standalf, yes thus why we said you should try to run it first
[12:15] <flaccid_> tremulous is not open source from memory
[12:17] <Standalf> flaccid: I found it over google :) because I played tremulous in windows I knew this site for download this binary
[12:17] <Standalf> normal tremulous works
[12:17] <flaccid_> so you are flying without a joystick...
[12:18] <flaccid_> Standalf, so have you tried to run it yet like i said 2 times ?
[12:18] <Standalf> it writes executable file but whithc program can open it?
[12:18] <dr_Willis> ITs very likely a 'self' installing executable...
[12:18] <dr_Willis> where did this file come from?
[12:18] <flaccid_> Standalf, you cannot open an executable binary, you run it.
[12:18] <flaccid_> dr_Willis, above link, no doco and no idea what to do with it...
[12:18] <Standalf> how can I run it? I tried those commands in console what you said
[12:19] <dr_Willis> I would imagine given its small size. its a replacement for the binary in the full archive of the game
[12:19] <flaccid_> Standalf, goto the directory in konsole where it is then type ./tremulous.x86
[12:19] <flaccid_> i accidently left the extension off when i said
[12:20] <dr_Willis> !find tremulous
[12:20] <Standalf> flaccid: sorry I cant work in console :D CD home/documents?
[12:20] <flaccid_> dr apparantly this is some update, so you are problaby right. apparently trem is installed via pkg atm
[12:20] <adred> flaccid im sorry..could you pls help with my problem..
[12:20] <dr_Willis> I would avoide just running arbitary executables from 'some' sites.. :) given that that the site seems to bveen last updated in 2007
[12:20] <flaccid_> Standalf, go learn how to use something first :)
[12:21] <dr_Willis> I would imagine that program is way out of date with the main tremulus versions by now. its almost 2 yrs old.
[12:21] <Standalf> flaccid cant you tell me? it would be faster
[12:21] <flaccid_> yeah his choice but. only thing he cares about is it working hehe
[12:21] <flaccid_> Standalf, no. i've already wasted enough keystrokes
[12:21] <dr_Willis> i imagine it wont work..  I would say install the game from the repos..
[12:22] <flaccid_> Standalf, a good tip: don't google random things and attempt to install it when you have no idea what the file is for
[12:23] <dr_Willis> 'unlearn bad windows habbits' :)
[12:23] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:23]  * dr_Willis does a sudo apt-get install tremulous  - and gets ready to play
[12:23] <eagles0513875> who me
[12:23] <dr_Willis> the full game is 101 mb download.. :)
[12:26] <flaccid_> Standalf, i assume you didn't google first on how to install it even though you go the file through google. so this will tell you how to install it: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=how+to+install+tremulous.x86&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:26] <flaccid_> please google first my friends, saves us being a personal searcher
[12:27] <Standalf> aha, I'm learning basic commands with console
[12:27] <Standalf> thx
[12:27] <flaccid_> Standalf, and guess what. the solution is on the first google result!
[12:27] <eagles0513875> O_o
[12:27] <flaccid_> Standalf, its a lib, ie. sudo mv tremulous.x86 /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous
[12:27] <adred> and how about my share flaccid? :)
[12:27] <flaccid_> topic closed.
[12:28] <oscar> ei help me please
[12:28] <dr_Willis> of coruse its still close to 2 years old.. :) so i would advise backing up your original /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous* files. :)
[12:28] <oscar> how install ioncube at my server
[12:28] <flaccid_> trem is probably not developing anymore like a lot of those type sof games
[12:29] <flaccid_> adred, can you play mp3 in any player eg. vlc, kaffiene etc. ?
[12:29] <Standalf> flaccid: I am stupid, I dunno what I though
[12:30] <flaccid_> Standalf, google is amazing :)
[12:30] <dr_Willis> google  for 'how google works' :)
[12:30] <adred> flaccid, nopt
[12:30] <adred> nope
[12:30] <flaccid_> this is a local mp3 file on a hard disk or local drive adred ?
[12:31] <dr_Willis> Alien Arena just released a new version a few weeks back. :)
[12:31] <adred> flaccid, on a hard disk
[12:31] <flaccid_> adred, this is hardy? can you pastebin output of dpkg -l | grep -i mp3 ?
[12:31] <adred> flaccid, yup its hardy, im on it
[12:31] <flaccid_> dr_Willis, is that trem or some other game?
[12:31] <flaccid_> cool
[12:32] <Standalf> flaccid: I know google very well I just thought I wont need those operations with console
[12:32] <flaccid_> why would you think that, you know nothing about terminal ?
[12:33] <Standalf> I didnt need it in windows
[12:33] <flaccid_> ah well learning curve. i still try to make myself not assume when its the easiest thing to do, and of course as a human i still do it..
[12:33] <dr_Willis> Alien Arena is another Shooter based on that openquake3 engine i think. :) not related to tremouus
[12:33] <flaccid_> lol this aint windows
[12:33] <Standalf> I know only apt-get remove/install and a few commands
[12:33] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. Well tremulus opens up in the Middle of my 2 monitotrs.. now annoying.
[12:33] <engineer> there are a lot more
[12:33] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:33] <flaccid_> dr_Willis, i'll have to check it out ta. i just play wolf et..
[12:34] <flaccid_> !bash | Standalf
[12:34] <dr_Willis> Theres seval other games  of that type. 'World of Padman' is amuseing also.
[12:34] <Standalf> thx, I dont want to get back to windows
[12:35] <engineer> bash is cool
[12:35] <pim> yes it is
[12:35] <adred> flaccid here's the link :http://paste.ubuntu.com/18724/
[12:35] <eagles0513875> thats nice with tremulous im getting bout 90 fps with my ati radeon xpres 200m
[12:36] <Standalf> lol, I know one guy that has written SUDOKU game in bansh :D on programming competition :D
[12:36] <dr_Willis> eagles0513875,  :) its based on the old quake2/3 ? engine. sort of.. :)
[12:36] <Standalf> *bash
[12:36] <engineer> Standalf shell script
[12:36] <dr_Willis> eagles0513875,  the game makes me dizzy however. :)
[12:36] <engineer> bash is just the command line
[12:36] <eagles0513875> lol reminds me to an extent of the game planet side
[12:37] <flaccid_> bash is a shell. command line is a very broad term for anything command line driven
[12:38] <pim> bash = bourne again shell
[12:38] <adred> flaccid, are you on it? :)
[12:38] <flaccid_> adred, is it ok if just give you the packages i have as a difference to install ?
[12:39] <adred> flaccid, im sorry i don't get you..
[12:40]  * dr_Willis is sooo confused.. :)
[12:40] <eagles0513875> funnily enough i didnt get him either
[12:40] <flaccid_> adred, just do this then: sudo apt-get install libarts1-mpeglib mpeglib
[12:40] <adred> flaccid, ok..
[12:41] <flaccid_> adred, you might need to enable other repos depending where they are from. if that still is not suffice then please do a sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:42] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: u know of any new games available for linux
[12:42] <eagles0513875> that can be compiled from source or hat not
[12:42] <eagles0513875> *what
[12:42] <eagles0513875> *you
[12:42] <dr_Willis> Thats.. vague. :)
[12:43] <dr_Willis> "Savage2" was just commercially released.
[12:43] <dr_Willis> They also have a demo you can download.
[12:43] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, none that ive seen but im out of the loop
[12:43] <dr_Willis> Savage1 - is very popular still also.
[12:43] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: gotcha
[12:43] <eagles0513875> what bout you doc
[12:44] <dr_Willis> I just gave you 2 :)
[12:44] <dr_Willis> it also depends on the exact kind of game you perfer.
[12:44] <Pici> !games | also
[12:45] <dr_Willis> that 'linux game tome' site is fun also.
[12:46] <dr_Willis> http://www.happypenguin.org/
[12:47] <sonoftheclayr> Hi, i
[12:47] <dr_Willis> FreeCiv and FreeCol are must gets. :) and  This looks neat also  Description: An open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe".
[12:47] <Fyl0n> Guys I'm using XMMS for a long time now and I wanted a newer MP3 player.
[12:47] <Fyl0n> So I installed audacious and it's great to use.. but the sound quality is very poor compared to XMMS
[12:47] <Fyl0n> How come? and why?
[12:47] <flaccid_> bbs
[12:47] <eagles0513875> dr_Willis: ive played free civ for winblows
[12:48] <eagles0513875> not fun after a certain number of turns the game ends
[12:48] <Fyl0n> I tried asking @ #audacious.. but their asleep I guess
[12:48] <sonoftheclayr> I'm fairly certain I have what I think is a DNS problem inside of Opera and only Opera as Firefox and Konqueror both work fine. This is really annoying me so if anybody has any solutions I would be really grateful to hear them
[12:48] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. change the settings eagles0513875 ....
[12:48] <eagles0513875> dr_Willis: whats the open source clone of transport tycoon delux
[12:48] <eagles0513875> dr_Willis: dunno if u can disable that though
[12:48] <eagles0513875> *you
[12:48] <eagles0513875> dr_Willis: whats the name of that transport tycoongame
[12:48] <dr_Willis> eagles0513875,  from what i recall of freeciv settings.. yes
[12:48] <dr_Willis> http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Open%20Transport%20Tycoon
[12:49] <eagles0513875> ty im goign to get that im tempted to try the original civilization on wine
[12:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:49] <dr_Willis> theres a catch ! argh original Windows version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files
[12:49] <dr_Willis> are needed for the Open Tr.Ty Game. :(
[12:50] <SlimeyPete> I vaguely recall there being an alternate content pack available for OpenTT
[12:50] <SlimeyPete> but I may be wrong
[12:50] <eagles0513875> dr_Willis: that aint no happy penguine
[12:52] <eagles0513875> dr_Willis: free civ is in repos
[12:54] <v6lur> trouble with kdm
[12:54] <v6lur> it won't start automatically anymore (after install&uninstall of kde4.1)
[12:54] <Standalf> tremulous doesnt work :/ I did all they write and nothing
[12:54] <v6lur> and it won't close on restart (i have to push the power button, then it closes and system proceeds to shutdown)
[13:01] <slimjimflim> anybody know where to find a repo for qt4.4 dev-tools
[13:02] <slimjimflim> ?
[13:03] <Pici> slimjimflim: The hardy repos?
[13:03] <Pici> !info qt4-dev-tools
[13:04] <Pici> slimjimflim: er.. maybe in proposed.. let me double check
[13:04] <Pici> slimjimflim: qt4-dev-tools | 4.4.0-1ubuntu5~hardy1 | hardy-backports/universe | amd64, i386
[13:05] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: succeeded?
[13:07] <eagles0513875> lol colonel sound like ur saying kernel lol
[13:07] <flaccid_> i think thats the idea. kernel panic..
[13:07] <flaccid_> instead of that sanders dude :p
[13:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:10] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: is caught in a revolving door
[13:10] <Dr_Willis_> either my ISP is flakey the last 2 weeks..
[13:10] <Dr_Willis_> OR i might have a bad wire
[13:10] <Dr_Willis_> I just moved the pcs' downstairs right next to the router.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis_> Next step if it still has issues.. will be to remove router.. and hook one pc straight to the cable modem.
[13:12] <engineer> is your router's firmware updated?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis_> it was working good till a week or so ago.. had issues similer to this in the past for a few days at a time.
[13:12] <Standalf> as you said, that tutorial to install tremulous is bad :/
[13:13] <Dr_Willis_> Im wondering if i havent got a flakey cable. and the rainstorms/moisture under the house isent gettting in.
[13:13] <engineer> could be your radio chip
[13:13] <Standalf> tremulous works before their update to the backport but after that it doesnt
[13:13] <engineer> how's the LAN connection?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis_> Tremulous makes me dizzy. :)
[13:13] <slimjimflim> pici, i just enabled that repo, but i still get the same package from apt-cache
[13:13] <Dr_Willis_> engineer,  I dont use wireless. :)
[13:14] <Pici> slimjimflim: Make sure that you apt-get update first.
[13:14] <Dr_Willis_> well i hae ONE wireless gizmo. :)
[13:14] <slimjimflim> oh duh
[13:14] <engineer> slimjimflim sudo aptitude update
[13:15] <flaccid_> flakey cable is more common than you think. i had to replace one for my server in data centre they say its fairly commmon
[13:15] <Standalf> if I launch it over games -> tremulous it just thinks and then will do nothing, if over console it will return this error: "/usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous: not found" but this exist :(
[13:15] <flaccid_> Standalf, ah well :)
[13:15] <Standalf> I dont get it
[13:15] <flaccid_> Standalf, what does this command return: file /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous
[13:16] <slimjimflim> pici, same
[13:16] <Standalf> flaccid: this: /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, versi 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), notripped
[13:17] <flaccid_> Standalf, paste here again the EXACT not found error..
[13:18] <slimjimflim> w/e, i'll just install the deb
[13:18] <Standalf> /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, versi 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), notripped
[13:19] <flaccid_> Standalf, thats not the not found error.
[13:19] <Dr_Willis_> what is the problem with Tremulous anyway?
[13:20] <flaccid_> dr, appears to be user so far :O
[13:20] <Standalf> Dr_wilis: what do u mean?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis_> flaccid,  i just ran it from the repos.. and couldent get a serverlist.
[13:22] <flaccid_> oh. fair enough. i guess you see that quite a bit in online games. maybe its the way they reach the servers/retun the list network wise
[13:22] <flaccid_> quite annoying
[13:23] <Dr_Willis_> There we go.. the game from the repo version works for me.
[13:23] <Dr_Willis_> I had to hit 'update server'  not 'refresh list' :)
[13:23] <flaccid_> it works for Standalf apparently, this is lib patch iirc
[13:24] <flaccid_> oh hehe
[13:24] <Standalf> hm?
[13:24] <flaccid_> im yet to play that game yet
[13:24] <Dr_Willis_> Since i can connect to the servers.. i dont see the need for any patches yet.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis_> The default settings for the game Suxxor.. and you cant chnge them untill you join a server it seems...
[13:24] <flaccid_> hm?
[13:24] <Dr_Willis_> thats.. weird.
[13:24] <flaccid_> i hate games like that heh
[13:25] <flaccid_> bad logic
[13:25] <Dr_Willis_> I cant think of any OTHERS that even do it that way
[13:25] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[13:25] <Dr_Willis_> The res defaulted to 640x800 also.. icky!
[13:25] <flaccid_> ive had a couple, can't remember which ones
[13:25] <flaccid_> ouchy
[13:26] <Standalf> It's hopeless, I dunno why console writes this rubbish if tremulous is there :/
[13:26] <Dr_Willis_> Well i will idle here I guess. and see if i get hungup any more.. if i stay good here.. i will rerun wire upstairs I think.
[13:26] <Standalf> before that update tremulous works ok, but its slowly downloading map :(
[13:26] <flaccid_> Standalf, did you paste the exact error yet?
[13:26] <Dr_Willis_> Standalf,  you may want to start over from the beginning of what you are doing and the problems.. Some new people joining may have some experience with the issue.
[13:26] <Standalf> I dunno where do you mean
[13:26] <flaccid_> well server speed has nothing to do with the games integrity :)
[13:27] <flaccid_> Standalf, try to run the game from konsole and paste the EXACT error message here (if you listen i don't have to repeat 3 times)
[13:27] <Dr_Willis_> For the record. i just 'apt-get install' the game.. and ran 'tremouls' from the terminal just now. and it ran fine.. (with bad default settings)
[13:27] <flaccid_> dr. don't get him to start from the beginning, thats punishment
[13:27] <Dr_Willis_> Im about to leave anyway. :)
[13:27] <Standalf> exec: 32: /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous: not found
[13:28] <Standalf> But I've already pasted this error
[13:28] <flaccid_> Standalf, not exactly like that you didn't
[13:28] <flaccid_> Standalf, what does ls -l /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous return?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis_>  ls -l /usr/lib/tremulous/  -> for me ---> for an example -->  total 1.4M   ->  -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.4M 2007-06-16 10:44 tremulous*
[13:29] <Dr_Willis_> only 1 file in there. and that it
[13:29] <Standalf> -rwxr-xr-x 1 standalf standalf 1361996 2007-02-17 08:35 /usr/lib/tremulous/tremulous
[13:30] <flaccid_> different owner...
[13:31] <Standalf> different owner? should I log as root?
[13:31] <flaccid_> no you should change the owner to root
[13:31] <Standalf> how? I know it only in console
[13:32] <flaccid_> sudo chown root /file/to/chown
[13:32] <flaccid_> err then do it?
[13:32] <Standalf> chown: cannot access „/file/to/chown“: No such file or directory
[13:32] <flaccid_> Standalf, the last im helping is this: re-do the how-to: http://dannybuntu.blogspot.com/2008/02/howto-install-tremulous-backport-in.html as the file from the net is from a dif location, worth a try..
[13:33] <flaccid_> Standalf, ffs that was an example.
[13:33] <flaccid_> im over this. go learn shell first.
[13:33]  * flaccid_ goes to eat dinner
[13:33] <Standalf> flaccid: but I did it from this tutorial
[13:34] <Standalf> after move .x86 file tremulous doesn't work
[13:34]  * flaccid_ doesn't care
[13:35] <pim> I don't have sound anymore
[13:35] <pim> anyone has any clue why this is?
[13:35] <RiotingPacifist> Standalf: why isnt the repo version current enough
[13:35] <pim> or how I can check what's wrong
[13:35] <RiotingPacifist> pim check that nothing is muted
[13:36]  * flaccid_ loves users that listen :)
[13:36] <RiotingPacifist> using alsamixer or something like that, it sounds silly but most sound problems are some obscure sound level being set to 0 or mute
[13:37] <Standalf> In windows I can do 2 cilck and it's done, but linux..... user has to write bambilion lines in console and anyway it won't work
[13:37] <RiotingPacifist> if that doesnt sort it try #alsa as i cant rember the sound commands of the top of my head, was sounds working fine until you updated something, in which case what did you update? you didnt try something silly like installling pulseaudio
[13:37]  * flaccid_ laughs at a user
[13:38] <RiotingPacifist> Standalf: linux is not windows do not expect to be
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> RiotingPacifist,  i was wondering that also... it works here for me. but i just tested 1 server
[13:38] <RiotingPacifist> flaccid_: be nice, go and have your dinner
[13:38] <flaccid_> im eating it atm
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Standalf,  i type one command installed it. and am playign the game...  so i have also missed the point of the 'new' stuff.
[13:38] <flaccid_> hehe
[13:39] <Standalf> Dr_willis: I played i too, but without backport
[13:39] <Standalf> and it sucks
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> well thats.. vague.
[13:39] <RiotingPacifist> Standalf: why exatcly cant you use the repo version? ill have a quick look but generally sticking to repo versions means everything jsut works(tm) but if you want the latest and greatest then there aint no freee lunch
[13:40] <aljoscha> hello, i want to install wicd on kubuntu. the pc don't have a internet connection and i have problems, because wicd needs other packages like python.. wenn ich download and want to install python, it needs other packages too... and so on. is there a package with all i need to get python working under kubuntu?
[13:40]  * flaccid_ thinks there should be a !sux as well as !doesntwork
[13:41] <RiotingPacifist> !doesntwork = doesnt doesnt work? !sux = doesnt sux ? :P
[13:41] <flaccid_> im confused there RP
[13:41] <Standalf> Because old version sucks.... try to download map its about 30KB /s what should it mean? :/
[13:42]  * flaccid_ wonders how a game can affect speed of a server hmm
[13:43] <pim> well I tried rebooting but that still didn't fix it
[13:43] <RiotingPacifist> aljoscha: there may be a nicer way of doing this but either 1) download the DVD version that has the entire main repo on it, 2) download pythong.deb from ubunto packages website and all its dependancies, 3) find somebody smarter than me
[13:43] <RiotingPacifist> *4) somebody who correctly uses either
[13:44] <RiotingPacifist> flaccid_ ! is often used to denote not != ect
[13:44]  * flaccid_ is still confused
[13:44] <flaccid_> aljoscha, you are on the internet atm. surely you could save to a cd/dvd media or pen drive?
[13:45] <flaccid_> are unlucky thats not an option as well ?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> well - I followed the directions at   http://dannybuntu.blogspot.com/2008/02/howto-install-tremulous-backport-in.html
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> made a script to 'automate' their  directions here---->  http://pastebin.com/f20a0c997
[13:46] <flaccid_> how did you go dr.?
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> and the game runs fine here
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> its just like 5 commands ya type. all rather straight forward
[13:46] <flaccid_> cool, so its a user problem
[13:46] <v6lur> KDM won't start automatically anymore (after install&uninstall of kde4.1), what to do?
[13:46] <aljoscha> flaccid_: it is an option, but i asked for a package with die hole python... because if i download python the oder pc (without internet) says that it needs python-gtk2 ... and so on. python-gtk2 needs some packages too...
[13:46] <aljoscha> die = the
[13:46] <flaccid_> aljoscha, http://packages.ubuntu.com
[13:46] <v6lur> and also, it won't close on shutdown/restart (i have to push the power button, then it closes and system proceeds to shutdown/restart)
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> the instructions are  a bit goofed in that they #this is the command
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> so you cant just cut/paste them.
[13:47] <pim> I still have no sound, how can I fix this?
[13:47] <flaccid_> dr. that indicates user prompt but yeah..
[13:47] <flaccid_> oh sorry dr.
[13:47] <flaccid_> i get you now.
[13:47] <aljoscha> flaccid_: yes, but there isn't a package with all i need for python - or i just don't find?
[13:47] <RiotingPacifist> pim: have you checked alsamixer for volumes
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> flaccid,  right :) gentoo and other docs/wiki pages often tdo the same annoying thing.
[13:47] <flaccid_> aljoscha, not sure sorry. keep searching i guess
[13:48] <flaccid_> Dr_Willis, yeah there is # and $
[13:48] <flaccid_> one is root one is uer
[13:48] <flaccid_> user
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> well- i will have to say that My COnnection issues seem to be only on the upstairs pc....
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> Now as a test.. moving a different pc up to the 'problem' desk. :)
[13:48] <RiotingPacifist> aljoscha: a DVD will contain all the packages otherwise you have to download python.deb and all its dependancies manually
[13:48] <stefanos> hi everyone
[13:48] <pim> RiotingPacifist I have turned them all up
[13:49] <RiotingPacifist> what happens when you try aplay -vv somefile.wav
[13:49] <flaccid_> i'll bbs
[13:50] <pim> Where in linux can I find a .wav file?
[13:50] <RiotingPacifist> in place of a wave file you can try any large file
[13:50] <stefanos> i am using kde4.0 kubuntu 8.04. all of a sudden the oxygen's progressbar lost the shiny texture and became a plain blue thing... :(
[13:51] <pim> I still hear nothing
[13:52] <RiotingPacifist> well i dont know much about sound when i had a problem installing sound on a system i got help in #alsa and they gave me a couple of strings to add to some config to work with my card, but if your was working then i dunno what could of happend
[13:52] <pim> RiotingPacifist, I still can't hear a thing
[13:52] <pim> oh well crap
[13:53] <RiotingPacifist> #alsa can be real helpful if somebodies about, otherwise give google and forums a shot
[13:53] <RiotingPacifist> stefanos: #kubuntu-kde4 may be more helpful
[13:54] <RiotingPacifist> stefanos: it sounds like your qt-theme has changes its settings try looking into the settings for that
[14:01] <ct529> hi everybody
[14:02] <stefanos> RiotingPacifist: thanks!
[14:05] <sigma_12> well it looks like 8.10 will be shipping with kde4.1
[14:05] <adred> hi, how can i enable pulseaudio? sound output is very dull compared to ubuntu. enabling it through amorok, amarok crashes. help ls
[14:06] <RiotingPacifist> :( kde4 aint gunna be ready til 4.2
[14:07] <stefanos> sigma_12: i already use it and it is much more stable than kde4.0 despite being in beta version
[14:08] <ct529> stefanos: we are using 4.0.3 in production environment (on 1 laptop), no serious problems to date
[14:08] <RiotingPacifist> adred: given that pulse audio inst meant for kde i dont think it will help with amarok crashes which are the result xine + bad mp3s (it shouldnt crash on 2 levels but meh) erm id guess that to install pulseaudio you start with apt-get install pulseaudio
[14:09] <Dr_willis_> Ok. Now to see if THIS nick gets hung up constantly.. :)
[14:10] <adred> RiotingPacifist, u mean its for gnome only?
[14:10] <RiotingPacifist> well not really it *should* work in kde, but as the future of kde audo is phonon, id *guess* that its less tested
[14:11] <stefanos> ct529: imagine even better than that, then XD
[14:12] <ct529> stefanos: :)
[14:12] <RiotingPacifist> adred: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio might help otherwise google is your friend
[14:13] <adred> RiotingPacifist thanks :)
[14:14] <RiotingPacifist> np hope you sort out your porblem
[14:15] <ct529> I have got a problem here: I have to send the output of my laptop to an external screen. The laptop screen is 1920 x 1200 the external screen is 1680 x 1050. When I connect the external screen it swicthes to 1024 x 768 on both outputs (laptop screen and external monitor). I cannot reverse the selection: only way is restarting the x server. kubuntu 804 with KDE 3.5.9 or could use 4.0.3.
[14:27] <anders> heey :)
[14:51] <eagles0513875> chalcedony: hey
[14:54] <Dr_willis_> ct529,  a lot will depend on the video card in the thing.
[14:54] <eagles0513875> how do i restart the kwindow decorator
[14:55] <piXelshooter> Hi. I'm playing around a bit with the compose combinations. So I try to define my own settings in ~/.XCompose. Is there a list of all the key names, or can I determine the name of a pressed key somehow?
[15:03] <RiotingPacifist> piXelshooter: xev
[15:03] <RiotingPacifist> xev may be what your looking for its quite verbose
[15:04] <piXelshooter> Okay, I'll have a look.
[15:08] <piXelshooter> Okay, but what shall I write to ~/.XCompose, for example, I want something with the asterisk sign? On my keyboard, I have to press Shift for it. Has the asterism a name for .XCompose? Does a list of thise «names» exist?
[15:09] <Dr_willis_> Hmm * is shift 8 here. :)
[15:14] <pim> how do I list hidden files?
[15:14] <Dr_willis_> ls -al
[15:14] <trappist> pim: ls -A
[15:14] <Dr_willis_> is what i normally use.  or was it -A :) i forget.
[15:14] <trappist> -A lists all files (except . and ..) in the short format
[15:15] <trappist> -la includes . and .., in the long format
[15:15] <Dr_willis_> ls -fa -la -la -la -laaaa
[15:15] <Dr_willis_> prints them in Xmas carol format.
[15:15] <Dr_willis_> :)
[15:15] <trappist> heh.
[15:15] <pim> okay :P
[15:15] <Dr_willis_> 100000+ ways to list files..
[15:15] <Dr_willis_> my fave ->   echo *
[15:16] <trappist> find . -maxdepth 1 -print
[15:16] <pim> thanks for the advice guys
[15:20] <piXelshooter> Dr_willis_: Maybe it's Shift+8 on your keyboard, but how would you write down a Multi-key set with that key? <Multi_key> <asterisk>? I have not a lot experience with that config.
[15:20] <Dr_willis_> use the numpad * key? :)
[15:21] <Enrique> ubuntu in virtualbox...I want screen resolution of 1152x864? but can't set it. This is my xorg.conf - http://paste.ubuntu.com/18774/ and this is the resolution menu - http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/932/clipboard02wk2.png
[15:21] <Dr_willis_> or set it to 'ctrl - shift - 8' i guess. :)
[15:22] <Dr_willis_> Enrique,  you installed the Guest addons  into the  virtual installed os?
[15:22] <Enrique> Dr_willis_: Yes.
[15:22]  * Dr_willis_ wonders what monitor does  1152x864
[15:23] <Enrique> Dr_willis_: It doesn't matter what resolution. It doesn't go higher than 1024x768 (as you see in the pciture)
[15:23] <jabba> Dr_willis my laptop does
[15:25] <Dr_willis_> ive never noticed/set mine over 1024x768. I wonder what the higest limit is to virtualbox.
[15:25] <Dr_willis_> I belive under windows i could set some very high modes. that was with puppylinux, and the latest virtualbox/guest addons.
[15:26] <Dr_willis_> Ahh. I rember that the Vbox guest addons on Puppy Linux - had to manually change some file. to set the proper res.. Not sure if it was a vbox bug. or what.. let me find the url..
[15:26] <kalorin> is anyone here a wireless guru?
[15:27] <kalorin> I'm having some odd problems with a notebook seeing wireless networks but unable to dhcp addresses or connect
[15:29] <Dr_willis_> Enrique,  from the few forum posts i see on the vbox topic. It has a bug and cant go over 1024x768 it seems.
[15:30] <Dr_willis_> well night all.. sleep time for me.
[15:31] <RiotingPacifist> sleep is for the week :P cya
[15:32] <trappist> weak
[15:33] <RiotingPacifist> no week, as in when you have work and stuff, take that spelling nazi :P
[15:34] <trappist> touche.
[15:34] <RiotingPacifist> touch`
[15:35] <RiotingPacifist> crappy compose key how do you do e' in linux, cant seem to get it working
[15:35] <RiotingPacifist> |e
[15:36] <RiotingPacifist> nvm found it altgr + # + e = è
[15:37] <zorglu_> compiling vmserver...
[15:50] <Haza-muppet> Evening folks.
[15:50] <Haza-muppet> I need help
[15:50] <Haza-muppet> Badly
[15:50] <eagles0513875> ask away Haza-muppet
[15:51] <Haza-muppet> It looks like ive made a little mistake with my laptop and some graphic settings
[15:51] <eagles0513875> if someone knows how to help u they will help ya
[15:51] <eagles0513875> *you
[15:51] <Haza-muppet> Cheers eagles0513875
[15:51] <eagles0513875> no problem
[15:51] <eagles0513875> you wanting to reconfigure
[15:51] <Haza-muppet> so, i wanted to plug my laptop into the TC
[15:51] <Haza-muppet> *TV
[15:51] <Haza-muppet> so i changed some setting and restarted my x server
[15:51] <eagles0513875> that i cant help ya with i have never tried it
[15:52] <eagles0513875> im sure someone in here can help u out
[15:52] <Haza-muppet> Now my graphics are insane and i cannot see (pretty much anything)
[15:52] <Haza-muppet> I can see my desktop. yet.... well it's like a program crash. the graphics are just messed up. I can't think of a better way to describe it
[15:53] <Haza-muppet> What i need to do is reset my graphics options
[15:53] <eagles0513875> xorg --reconfigure i think
[15:53] <eagles0513875> !video
[15:53] <eagles0513875> Haza-muppet: i think the command is xorg --reconfigure
[15:54] <Haza-muppet> And that will reset my graphics options you think?
[15:54] <odysseas> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-x11
[15:54] <eagles0513875> ty odysseas
[15:54] <Haza-muppet> odysseas: : Is that aimed at me mate?
[15:54] <eagles0513875> Haza-muppet: ya that is and it should allow you to reconfigure them
[15:54] <odysseas> Yeah, if you want to reconfigure X
[15:55] <eagles0513875> im out guys
[15:55] <Haza-muppet> Later eagles0513875!
[15:55] <Haza-muppet> Okay, lets try this
[15:55] <Haza-muppet> odysseas: I might need you for a while if this doesn't work :)
[15:57] <shane_> good morning,iv been trying to set up dual monitors with 8.04 using my ati radeon 1600 x pro vid card and have had no luck finding a site that can walk me through the instalation any advise
[16:01] <deamon3> They say that if listening CD of Windows XP upside down, we hear Satanic messages. But if you put him right is worse still, you install Windows!
[16:14] <pim> !automount
[16:14] <pim> Anyone knows where I can get a good description of fstab?
[16:15] <trappist> pim: man fstab
[16:16] <pim> That's Linux Programmer's information
[16:16] <andyho623> just wanted to give a big shout out to all the peeps that helped me fix my broke ass machine... IT'S FIXED!!!!! Thx nos, 2, bob!!!
[16:16] <pim> I'm looking for the /etc/fstab file
[16:17] <andyho623> pim are you looking for what it's supposed to say or just looking to access it?
[16:18] <pim> I'm looking for info on how to edit it properly. i want to automount a partition at bootstrapping
[16:18] <trappist> pim: the line at the top notwithstanding, it's not programmer info.
[16:18] <trappist> you should find the man page helpful.
[16:18] <trappist> !fstab
[16:18] <trappist> or that
[16:18] <llutz> pim:  "man mount" gives you more info
[16:19] <pim> Yeah that is more helpful, thanks
[16:19] <andyho623> dang ubottu beat me to the link ;)
[16:25]  * flaccid_ is bakc
[16:25] <dwidmann> Hmm, I wonder if there's a way to get kfmclient copy/move to behave the way I'd like .... like, if I want to copy a folder with 20,000 files in it, I only have two options, overwrite everything or do nothing at all. I wonder if there is an intelligent inbetween .... hmmmm
[16:27] <frojnd> I've finally found a way to stream. I've installedt tvants with wine and also added a channel. But when I start mplayer: mplayer mms://localhost:16900/1 I get somekind of erorr: http://pastebin.com/m27f04d28 <- this one is the issue
[16:34] <flaccid_> frojnd, ive never used that before but if you want to steam then maybe icecast is viable ?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> !games
[16:35] <andyho623> Does anyone know if it's possible to have like a "stereo mix" setting in Kubuntu??
[16:35] <zorglu_> http://tremulous.net
[16:35] <andyho623> I'm trying to get it to work with singsnap.com
[16:36] <flaccid_> what is a stereo mix setting
[16:37] <flaccid_> andyho623, you can change the recording channel in kmix or alsamixer
[16:37] <andyho623> flaccid: it gives you the ability to record from a mic and what's playing thru your speakers.. I tried thru kmix but I can only get it to record the mic and not both
[16:37] <frojnd> flaccid_: does icecast support mtvu or tvants protocol ?
[16:39] <andyho623> flaccid: I'll have to see if alsamixer can do it, with kmix it looks like it'll only let you specify one capture location
[16:41] <flaccid_> im not sure what capture is, i thought it was on the other tab but i could be wrong
[16:43] <RiotingPacifist> andyho623: if stuff is playing though the k sound system you can use its manager to sort out what gets funneled to the recorder
[16:43] <RiotingPacifist> i just need to rember what the damn thing is called for that to make any sense
[16:43] <andyho623> rioting: it's not like I'm trying to record TO my pc though.. it's all integrated within the singsnap site.. if that makes sense.. LOL!
[16:46] <flaccid_> andyho623, we dont really support random sites here :)
[16:47] <RiotingPacifist> sorry my mind has gone completly blank but there is a kde tool that lets you redirect sound about and use stuff like stereo mix settings
[16:48] <RiotingPacifist> flaccid_: hes not asking us to support a random site just get his sound system to work with that site
[16:48] <andyho623> flaccid: np, was just curious about the whole stereo mix thing since I'll be using it for more than just singsnap, but singsnap was just an easy way to kinda test it
[16:48] <andyho623> <--- I've got boobs.. and not man boobs ;)
[16:49] <RiotingPacifist> aRts, wikipedia is my friend. andyho623 install aRts and related tools that should let you do what your looking for
[16:50] <andyho623> rioting: cool I'll have a look at it thx!
[16:50] <RiotingPacifist> then you just need to get your browser/plugin to use arts and you can pipe whatever sound you want to it
[16:53] <flaccid_> RiotingPacifist, sound systems don't work with websites :)
[16:54] <RiotingPacifist> sound goes in/out of a browser/plugin, the sound->plugin stuff is definatly part of kubuntu, whatever happens after that isnt our problem but getting the sound to the plugin/browser in the desired format is
[16:56] <flaccid_> RiotingPacifist, yes but the problem won't be with the sound system if its working. its the plugin... eg. flash, or whatever it may be
[16:57] <andyho623> it's flash...
[16:57] <flaccid_> like you demonstrated they do not 'talk' to each other directly
[16:57] <flaccid_> andyho623, so your question is more about how do you get flash going or if it is working, how you record its audio?
[16:58] <andyho623> flaccid: flash is fine.. when I'm on the site and trying to record, it'll record my mic, but it won't record the music that is playing from the site, though I can hear it
[17:00] <flaccid_> andyho623, thats why you need to change the channel in kmix/alsamixer for recording to the stereo mix like in windows or whatever. if you cant then it could be a limitation of your soundcard driver or card but thats unlikely..
[17:02] <flaccid_> ah capture is the equiv of inputs basically. didn't realise that
[17:02] <Briareos_> i have a cifs share and since today (some package updates) it doesn't work anymore to mount it. ls tells me: a line like that: "d????????? ? ?    ?       ?                ? copy"
[17:02] <Briareos_> if i try to list it, it says: ls: Zugriff auf copy nicht möglich: Input/output error
[17:02] <andyho623> flaccid: yeah, I'll have a look at alsamixer cuz I don't think it's possible in kmix.. unless I'm missing something in there, but like I said I can designate it for one capture source, but not 2, which is basically what stereo mix is
[17:03] <flaccid_> andyho623, what is the name of the capture source. its probably a stereo channel..
[17:03] <flaccid_> andyho623, do you know how to change views in alsamixer lol
[17:03] <andyho623> flaccid: the only options are cd, line, mic and front mic for capturre
[17:03] <andyho623> flaccid: yeah I'm good with view changes ;)
[17:04] <_eMaX_> hi all
[17:04] <_eMaX_> someone here also on #ubuntu and op there?
[17:04] <flaccid_> andyho623, no i need to know! i don't know hehe
[17:05] <flaccid_> andyho623, doesn't look like your driver supports the stereo mix
[17:05] <llutz> Briareos_: "copy" is on local filesystem? perform a fsck on it
[17:05] <andyho623> flaccid: it did on m$.. which is why I'm wondering why I can't figure it out on ku
[17:05] <flaccid_> andyho623, i think you can record with alsa in some way anyway but i can't remember. otherwise you might have to find another way
[17:06] <flaccid_> andyho623, what card and driver is it?
[17:06] <RiotingPacifist> andyho623: im not sure how to do it on alsa but arts or jack can do it fairly easily
[17:06] <flaccid_> you can re-route through a sound system and record it there as well
[17:06] <flaccid_> yeah jack or even pulsaudio
[17:06] <andyho623> rioting: yeah I figured jack would do it since I've used it with sound forge
[17:07] <flaccid_> jack is awesome. incredibly low latency i must say
[17:10] <Briareos_> copy is the mountpoint - it shows normal if not mounted, but has those quesiton marks ("??????") if mounted, llutz; it's actually on a WIN2k server
[17:10] <Briareos_> llutz it's automounted upon boot - but unmounting causes the system to hang
[17:11] <Briareos_> after boot mount tells me: //192.168.1.3/copy on /usr/local/vita-life/netzwerk/adavid/copy type cifs (rw,mand)
[17:13] <flaccid_> um so its mounted, whats the problem Briareos_ ?
[17:15] <Briareos_> flaccid_ the IO error ;) i cannot access it
[17:16] <Briareos_> its only question marks instead of user privileges if i do a listing
[17:16] <Briareos_> flaccid_ and the system hangs if i try to umount
[17:18] <flaccid_> I/O error usually indicates hardware error
[17:18] <Programix> <sorry for spam, testing 'konversation'>
[17:20] <sebastian_> hi :P
[17:23] <RLE2008> damn this room is full too
[17:23] <RLE2008> i cant get help because there are to many people needing help
[17:24] <RLE2008> and I dont have time to wait all day
[17:24] <shane_> Odd-rationale: u there
[17:24] <flaccid_> that doesn't make sense hmm
[17:27] <shane_> im trying to install a ati driver in kubuntu hardy 8.04 and i need some advise on how to do this here is the site im trying to get the driver from http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html
[17:27] <shane_> if someone could take a look at this and explain the steps to install id be happy please
[17:28] <daskreech> Blessedbeef!!
[17:28] <daskreech> shane_: Install?
[17:28] <shane_> yes its ati driver installer and im not sure what to do with this
[17:28] <daskreech> !ati
[17:30] <shane_> yes i had previously done the driver manager and it gives a driver that doesnt enable everything so im atempting the ati site
[17:31] <flaccid_> shane_, kubuntu release?
[17:31] <daskreech> hi genii]
[17:32] <genii> daskreech: Hiya
[17:32] <daskreech> coffee?
[17:32] <shane_> flaccid_: its is hardy heron 64 8.04
[17:33] <flaccid_> shane_, and what did hardware drivers manager not enable? because the drivers are the same..
[17:33]  * genii pours everyone a mug of coffee from the urn in #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:33] <Distance> Hey guys
[17:33] <fynamit33> hi
[17:33] <Distance> Not installed kubuntu before.. went to install it and It said..
[17:33] <Distance> MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-apic
[17:34] <shane_> flaccid_: the driver it has now is fdbev im and it is only picking up as single out
[17:34] <flaccid_> Distance, from error looks like your bios is the problem. you could try the alternate cd or google the error.
[17:35] <flaccid_> shane_, fdbev ? and what are you doing to determine it is only picking up as a single out?
[17:35] <shane_> monitor and display system settings
[17:35] <Distance> Kernel panic - not syncing: IO-APIC - timer doesn't work!boot with apic-debug and send a report. Then try booting with the 'noapic' option
[17:35] <shane_> its showing both monitors but only one display port
[17:36] <Distance> A bios issue hmm...I will google it
[17:36] <flaccid_> shane_, thats because its a limitation of the restricted driver. it doesn't support standard randr for dual displays etc. this is amd's fault. there is lots on dual displays with fglrx on google, the wiki etc.
[17:37] <flaccid_> shane_, installing it from the ati/amd site is not going to change anything..
[17:37] <genii> Distance: google indicates using noapic on boot option may help
[17:37] <shane_> so should i get the fglrx driver then
[17:37] <Distance> Yeah I just saw that
[17:37] <Distance> I will go and try it now
[17:37] <flaccid_> shane_, which driver is it using in xorg.conf ?
[17:40] <shane_> flaccid_: im not sure i have xorg i try in terminal and it doesnt show
[17:41] <Distance> It said.. Booting linux Ok... Loading Kernel
[17:41] <Distance> and isn't doing anything else
[17:41] <flaccid_> shane_, what does this say grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:42] <shane_> "kbd" and "mouse"
[17:43] <shane_> flaccid_: "kbd" and "mouse"
[17:43] <daskreech> Distance: can you run it with the debug option they noted?
[17:44] <drif> what's the best way to get usb devices working under virtualbox prop.?
[17:44] <drif> on hardy
[17:44] <flaccid_> shane_, you are not using the restricted driver yet. can you let me know what your requirements are?
[17:44] <flaccid_> for video
[17:45] <shane_> i want my card to run 3d graphics and also i want the dual monitor inabled not as clone but as extended desktop
[17:46] <shane_> flaccid_: i want my card to run 3d graphics and also i want the dual monitor inabled not as clone but as extended desktop
[17:46] <Distance> I typed F6 and typed NOAPIC
[17:46] <Distance> noapic*
[17:46] <shane_> flaccid_: brb i got ati accelarated graphics driver in now need restart
[17:47] <flaccid_> cool he found the driver, now when he gets back i'll let him know that dual displays are a pain in the ass
[17:48] <Dragonath> they are?
[17:48] <daskreech> In Linux Yeah
[17:48] <daskreech> Triple screens are where it's at man
[17:48] <flaccid_> with restricted drivers, even when using their setup tools
[17:48] <flaccid_> well ATI is the most unreliable even with a valid config
[17:51] <genii> flaccid_: Actually I'd say second worst with Unichrome number 1
[17:52] <shane_> flaccid_: ok i now have fglrx driver installed and only showing 1 graf card 2 monitors
[17:52] <flaccid_> genii, woa what is that?
[17:53] <flaccid_> shane_, yes thats because the driver doesn't support randr properly
[17:53] <flaccid_> shane_, so what we do is use the ati config utils to modify your xorg.conf
[17:53] <shane_> flaccid_: ok how do i corect this
[17:53] <daskreech> flaccid_:
[17:53] <shane_> flaim a conp newbie to linux only had 3 weeks
[17:53] <daskreech> thought the new drivers coming out did
[17:54] <flaccid_> um, we find something on the net because i can't remember and i don't think there is something on the wiki thats right
[17:54] <genii> flaccid_: The Unichrome video cards are S3/Trio and still being made. Extremely closed drivers though
[17:54] <flaccid_> shane_, nah its AMD's fault
[17:54] <daskreech> genii: I don't understand them at all
[17:54] <flaccid_> genii, interesting. i aint heard that s3/trio for years
[17:54] <daskreech> they used to be the most Linux friendly
[17:54] <daskreech> then they closed the drivers
[17:54] <flaccid_> i was on windows in that period..
[17:54] <daskreech> then they stopped making them work with Linux
[17:54] <flaccid_> how rude
[17:54] <genii> Yup. Most unfortunate
[17:55] <daskreech> it's like they regress as ATI improves
[17:55] <daskreech> balanacing out the corporate support of the universe
[17:55] <daskreech> Like the force
[17:55] <flaccid_> shane_, let me just have a look around. can you let us know your card model and vram size
[17:55]  * genii thinks about corporate karma
[17:55] <shane_> card model is ati radeon x 1600 pro 256 mb
[17:55] <flaccid_> the video support just makes linux look like a lier most of the time
[17:56] <shane_> and what is vram
[17:56] <flaccid_> shane_, coolio
[17:56] <flaccid_> thats the 256mb
[17:56] <shane_> flaccid_: ok yah its 256
[18:00] <flaccid_> shane_, give me a few
[18:00] <shane_> flaccid_: no prob ill happily wait
[18:01] <flaccid_> shane_, you can look with me. we are looking to set up fglrx on big desktop using fglrx and the ati binaries
[18:01]  * daskreech imagines shane_ skipping through Kubuntu shaped daises and bluebells with butterflies all around
[18:01] <flaccid_> ie. we don't won't to stuff around with xorg.conf manually
[18:01] <flaccid_> heheh
[18:04] <flaccid_> shane_, yeah a lot of bad guides and nothing official
[18:06] <shane_> flaccid_: yes iv searched for help with wiki and found no solid help thats why i was hoping the ati site would help but as you say its the same fglrx driver
[18:07] <flaccid_> yeah totally. we can do manual but there are 'gotyas'. would be better to run a few commands like its meant to. its just that ati doesn't provide anything on this. the admin binaries are in fglrx-control package, just need to get the right params
[18:09] <kreib> anyone know how to use freedos?
[18:10] <daskreech> type in the command
[18:10] <daskreech> continue to type in commands
[18:10] <daskreech> I would guess :)
[18:10] <flaccid_> kreib, try google.
[18:10] <daskreech> or man:/freedos in Konqueror
[18:10] <flaccid_> yeah if its installed then um type commands hehe
[18:12] <flaccid_> daskreech, you talking about dosemu or something?
[18:12] <daskreech> flaccid_: No clue. I just know if it has a man file it can be read in konqueror
[18:13] <flaccid_> hmm i don't have that man file anyway on my system
[18:15] <llutz> kreib: www.freedos.org
[18:15] <flaccid_> if shane comes back can someone give hime http://www.jumpingbean.co.za/blogs/mark/linux-ati-driver-tutorial-how-to heh he just left
[18:16] <flaccid_> meh i should be alive for a bit longer
[18:17] <telmessos> hi everybody i need help about ubuntu
[18:17] <telmessos> can anyone help me ?
[18:18] <daskreech> !anyone
[18:19] <AmadeusX> ...
[18:19] <flaccid_> telmessos, just ask
[18:20] <telmessos> I accidently deleted my existing tray. and I don't see kopete on the cleaned one. I found network traffic and things like that but i don't know how to add kopete and programs like that
[18:21] <flaccid_> what kind of tray?
[18:21] <telmessos> my desktop application is Gnome
[18:21] <flaccid_> we dont support gnome here.
[18:21] <daskreech> telmessos: what are you trying to get back?
[18:21] <daskreech> Kopete?
[18:21] <telmessos> daskreech: yeap
[18:21] <telmessos> ;)
[18:21] <daskreech> telmessos: Is it open?
[18:22] <telmessos> daskreech: when I get ps ax from the konsole I see kopete in the list
[18:22] <telmessos> process is running but
[18:22] <telmessos> it doesn't appear anywhere on my desktop
[18:22] <daskreech> telmessos: alt+F2 and run koepte again it should pop up
[18:22] <daskreech> To get back your system tray in Gnome ask in #ubuntu
[18:23] <telmessos> daskreech: thanks
[18:24] <telmessos> flaccid_:  thanks to you also ;)
[18:24] <flaccid_> telmessos, heh np. #ubuntu is the place for you and 4x as many users
[18:24] <flaccid_> but good luck :)
[18:25] <telmessos> thanks ;)
[18:27] <ads_> ive made no bios changes but when i shutdown my machine reboots. ive tried gui shutdown via kde , "shutdown -h",  "shudown -P"  . i changed my kernel boot options to   "acpi = off" and "pci = noacpi" this only stopped the shutdown from completing. how may i go about fixing this please?
[18:28] <flaccid_> ads_, the problem is most likely your bios/computer.
[18:29] <flaccid_> unless its not finishing shutdown
[18:29] <ads_> flaccid:  hi again.. i havent made any bios changes.. however i did check and made sure that all power settings are pointed to power off or disabled (i.e wake on lan etc)
[18:29] <ads_> this started happening on its own without bios changes so i believ its a kernel issue
[18:30] <ads_> believe*
[18:31] <flaccid_> why would you say that?
[18:32] <ads_> well i havent made any changes..   is there anything else it could be other than software??
[18:32] <flaccid_> to be honest with you i dont know. but what i do know is that linux sending a reboot signal to ATX instead of power off is highly unlikely
[18:35] <ads_> im in my bios now.. power settings > after powr failure = stay off  >>wake up on pci pme = stay off >> wake on lan from s5 = stay off
[18:35] <ads_> i do have a scipt running to assist wake on lan i will try removing that to see if it is this!!   (it was working!!)  but i need to rule that out
[18:35] <flaccid_> they are not related
[18:36] <flaccid_> ok
[18:36] <ads_> flaccid__:   what do you mean i dont understand you..  are you saying the settings i quoted are irrelevant to the reboot?
[18:36] <ads_> since im here i may check anything else in the bios you believe may be causing it
[18:36] <flaccid_> they are irrelevant to shutdown
[18:37] <ads_> flaccid: sure but the wake on lan could cause a reboot!!
[18:37] <flaccid_> i don't think there would be a setting in the bios config that would cause it. im saying your bios itself could be the problem.
[18:37] <flaccid_> ads_, the computer is alread awake and simply requesting a shutdown
[18:38] <flaccid_> but you believe whatever you want :)
[18:38] <ads_> flaccid_:  ok..  its a possibility its bios related but unlikely as i've yet to encounter this problem  ( but i cant rule it out!)
[18:39] <flaccid_> that doesn't mean anything
[18:40] <ads_> of course!!  as i said i wont rule it out.. but it does seem unlikely
[18:40] <flaccid_> when something goes wrong the first thing people blame is the last thing they changed and if nothing changed, it must be the OS. this is a bad assumption.
[18:40] <flaccid_> your bios is the most likely at this point
[18:41] <daskreech> ads_: did you update your kernel?
[18:41] <ads_> daskreech: no i havent
[18:42] <daskreech> ads_: ah.. no clue then sounds more likely that the hardware changed
[18:42] <flaccid_> ads_, how did you go on google?
[18:42] <daskreech> ads_: If you like go get an older Live CD and see if it shuts down properly
[18:42] <daskreech>  if it doesn't your hardware may have had a electron fart
[18:43] <ads_> ill try the live cd sounds a good idea...   what do you mean flaccid_   how did you go on google?
[18:43] <flaccid_> ads_, looking for a solution to your behaviour problem
[18:44] <ads_> im just going to remove th script and the rc.d association
[18:44] <flaccid_> ads_, err what script and rc.d association ?
[18:45] <flaccid_> wahts an rc.d associaton anyway
[18:47] <ads_> flaccid_: i had a wake on lan script
[18:47] <flaccid_> ok then rule out what you can :) not much on google at all which suggest likely not a linux/ubuntu bug
[18:48] <ads_> il try a live cd if this works i know its software
[18:48] <ads_> and then maybe i can rack any ones heads for some pointers
[18:48] <ads_> (if it works!)
[18:49] <flaccid_> once again you are assuming :)
[18:50] <ads_> haha noo no im not rulling anything out flaccid_  thats why im trying anything that points to an obvious solution
[18:51] <flaccid_> you said 'i know'.
[18:52] <ads_> i said "ill try a live cd if this works i know its software"  meaning if i can shutdown correctly using this live cd it will be highly unlikely its a hardware problem
[18:52] <flaccid_> know suggests 100% not 'unlikely'
[18:54] <ads_> ok flaccid_ using "know" as a basis of 100% certainty    ; please 'know' im not rulling anything out yet
[18:54] <ads_> thanks :)
[18:54] <flaccid_> hehee np :)
[18:54] <flaccid_> hey im not meaning to be rude to you
[18:54] <flaccid_> its all good..
[18:55] <ads_> flaccid_:  youre being very kind  , i thank you for you patience
[18:55] <flaccid_> i just recommend reading up on atx and how linux/ubuntu shuts down to help
[18:55] <flaccid_> mp
[18:56] <daskreech> many problems?
[18:57] <slashammett> bonjoiur,
[18:59] <slashammett> quelqun saurai trés bien se servir de MLDonkey?
[19:00] <flaccid_> !fr | slashammett
[19:01] <ads_> live cd gives me the same issues.. and shutdown from xp does not work either..  it all points to hardware..  thanks for the help flaccid_ and daskreech
[19:02] <daskreech> shane_: !!! flaccid_ wanted a word with you
[19:02] <flaccid_> ah cheers!
[19:03] <shane_> flaccid_: hey im not sure what happened it said it needed a restart and then locked up
[19:03] <ct529> I have got a problem here: I have to send the output of my laptop to an external screen. The laptop screen is 1920 x 1200 the external screen is 1680 x 1050. When I connect the external screen it swicthes to 1024 x 768 on both outputs (laptop screen and external monitor). I cannot reverse the selection: only way is restarting the x server. kubuntu 804 with KDE 3.5.9 or could use 4.0.3. Anyone who can help?
[19:03] <flaccid_> shane_, ok well here is the best i can find really http://www.jumpingbean.co.za/blogs/mark/linux-ati-driver-tutorial-how-to
[19:04] <flaccid_> ct529, driver?
[19:04] <shane_> flaccid_: ok ill look into that site also i like kubuntu and i have it on my secondarie sys also but is kubuntu the best linux for a newbie or is there a better starter for me that will work with my config on my 64 bit sys
[19:05] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu/kubuntu are pretty good for newbies, yes.
[19:06] <flaccid_> shane_, its the best and the most popular distro in general
[19:06] <daskreech> shane_: Newbie to what? Linux?
[19:06] <flaccid_> but there is not best..
[19:06] <daskreech> "best"
[19:06] <flaccid_> !best
[19:06] <ct529> flaccid_: card is NVIDIA QUADRON 1600
[19:06] <daskreech> there is no best mostly
[19:06] <daskreech> ha ha the best bot that's pretty funny
[19:06] <flaccid_> ct529, no the dirver you are using ?
[19:07] <flaccid_> bestbot /me laughs
[19:07] <shane_> daskreech: yes to linux , i am one of the ones microcrap desided to get rid of by making me purchase a new product key and i wont give them nomore money for ther flawed systems
[19:07] <flaccid_> nice
[19:08]  * daskreech grins at flaccid_
[19:08] <ct529> flaccid_: how do I disvover what driver is the graphic card using?
[19:08] <daskreech> shane_: I'd actaully advocate that you play with 32 bit first then ease to 64 bit
[19:08] <daskreech>  64bit in Linux is many tiemes better than Windows except for teh parts that makes windows suck
[19:09] <daskreech> people who hide code and refuse to update it for 64 bit
[19:09] <ct529> flaccid_: sorry! how do I **discover** what driver is the graphic card using?
[19:09] <daskreech> This means Java (not so much anymore) and flash
[19:09] <shane_> daskreech:  yah i was considering that but i run a p4 in 32 bit and my pd is 64 so do i want to limit my system by taking it down to 32
[19:09] <pim> java and flash are easy to install
[19:10] <pim> You can find a very good script for installing the 32-bit version of browsers on ubuntu forums
[19:10] <daskreech> shane_: How much RAM do you have in it?
[19:10] <shane_> daskreech: im aware that most releises are for 32 and iv had to look around to make sure that the 64 is compatible but i am wondering if it will slow the pd down in 32
[19:10] <shane_> my p4 is 1.5 and my pd is 2
[19:11] <daskreech> It's likely to speed it up for most calculations
[19:11] <shane_> in 32
[19:11] <daskreech> but regardless unless it's huge calculations or massive gobs of RAM i'm not sure youi'll see that much difference
[19:12] <hspk> hol
[19:12] <shane_> daskreech: ok ill install the 32 bit kubuntu i have but still am i gonna beable to get the ati 1600 to work in kubuntu proper or is the another linux based OS that will work best with my hardware
[19:13] <daskreech> Linux is linux mostly
[19:13] <daskreech> the only thing that really matters is the date and acquisition type
[19:13] <pim> hardware support is in the Kernel
[19:13] <hspk> 
[19:13] <shane_> so it wont matter i can continue kubu i just may need to search more to get the drivers working right
[19:15] <flaccid_> ct529, check xorg.conf device section - driver. if none is listed xorg will use a free one like vesa etc.
[19:16] <engineer> cat /etc/X11/xorg | grep Driver
[19:16] <engineer> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[19:20] <ct529> flaccid_: there is no driver section in the xorg.conf
[19:20] <ct529> flaccid_: strange because th card works properly
[19:20] <ct529> flaccid_: how do I check which free driver is the graphic crad using?
[19:22] <daskreech> ct529: I think you can just ype xrandr
[19:22] <flaccid_> ct529, /var/log/Xorg.0.log so its using vesa or possible ati or radeon
[19:24] <ct529> daskreech:  flaccid_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/18844/ for xrandr
[19:24] <flaccid_> sweet. i mean you are not using restricted so sweet. /me goes to loook
[19:24] <daskreech> ct529: I could be wrong :)
[19:25] <flaccid_> ct529, so is anyting connected on the orther port(s) atm?
[19:26] <ct529> daskreech: flaccid_: from the Xorg.0.log is is apparrently using NV
[19:26] <ct529> daskreech: flaccid_: but if I do lsmod | grep -i nv
[19:26] <flaccid_> sweet
[19:26] <flaccid_> it doesn't use a kernel mod because its not a BLOB
[19:27] <ct529> daskreech: flaccid_: it retunrns an empty string, as if no nv module was loaded. ?
[19:27] <flaccid_> exactly..
[19:27] <daskreech> it won't be
 ct529, so is anyting connected on the orther port(s) atm?
[19:28] <ct529> flaccid_: what is the other ports atm?
[19:28] <flaccid_> VGA1 disconnected
[19:28] <flaccid_> DVI1 disconnected
[19:29] <Odd-rationale> shane_: i here!
[19:29] <Odd-rationale> i'm
[19:32] <shane_> hey
[19:32] <ct529> flaccid_: sorry! I have no deconncted the other monitor because it was constraining the resolution to 1024 x 768, and I could not work anymore!
[19:32] <shane_> Odd-rationale: have u ever had luck installing ati with kubuntu
[19:33] <flaccid_> ct529, if you plug that monitor in and run xrandr -q and then run command to configure it dynamically it should be sweet
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> shane_: well, i have used the open source ait drivers. i have an old card.
[19:33] <ct529> flaccid_: ok, I try
[19:34] <shane_> Odd-rationale: i am running the radeon x 1600 pro 256
[19:34] <shane_> it works on the driver provided but i dont get 2d or 3d and cant use dual monitors
[19:35] <Odd-rationale> shane_: what problems are you having/
[19:35] <ct529> flaccid_: this is what I get now after connecting the monitor and running xrandr -q http://paste.ubuntu.com/18848/
[19:35] <Odd-rationale> ?
[19:35] <shane_> Odd-rationale:  when i get the newest driver it locks me to a res thats so big i cant use it at all
[19:36] <ct529> flaccid_: no image on the external monitor
[19:36] <Odd-rationale> shane_: hod did you install the newest drivers?
[19:36] <Odd-rationale> how
[19:37] <shane_> Odd-rationale: hardware drivers managers
[19:37] <Odd-rationale> shane_: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[19:37] <flaccid_> ct529, there wouldn't be yet. but its all sweet. now all you need to do is run a command for it
[19:38] <ct529> flaccid_: ok
[19:38] <simi> hi, i have kubuntu 8.04 kde 3.5 , today my storage media is empty, how can i fix this
[19:38] <shane_> Odd-rationale:  i can in a few mins i just finished a fesh install kubu hardy 32 bit this time i was told i should play with the 32 before the 64 as theres more drivers in the 32
[19:38] <simi> i can't acces my other partitions or cdrom
[19:39] <ct529> flaccid_: what command though? :D
[19:39] <jhutchins_wk> simi: What was the last thing you changed on the system?
[19:40] <simi> jhutchins_wk:  i do not made any update or install packages today
[19:40] <simi> yesterday i belive wine updated
[19:40] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok im on the sys now,what was it u wanted
[19:40] <jhutchins_wk> simi: What was the last thing you changed on the system?
[19:41] <jhutchins_wk> Wine update, ok.
[19:41] <Odd-rationale> shane__: the xorg.conf file in a pastebin
[19:41] <jhutchins_wk> simi: Have you rebooted recently?
[19:41] <flaccid_> ct529, one sec
[19:41] <simi> yesterday
[19:41] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok so xorg in a terminal
[19:42] <jhutchins_wk> I suspect that the partitions may not be mounted.  sudo mount from a console should show if they are or not.
[19:42] <flaccid_> ct529, xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS
[19:42] <flaccid_> ct529, good guide: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2
[19:42] <Odd-rationale> shane__: well the easiest way will be to install pastebinit and execute "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit"
[19:43] <pim> Where can I find info on mounting iso images?
[19:43] <Odd-rationale> pim: in the ubuntu wiki
[19:43] <flaccid_> !iso | pim
[19:43] <jhutchins_wk> simi: You could also try sudo mount -a
[19:43] <shane__> http://pastebin.com/m5ac11ed3
[19:44] <shane__> Odd-rationale: http://pastebin.com/m5ac11ed3
[19:45] <Odd-rationale> shane__: and you are stuck on a low resolution?
[19:45] <shane__> odd is ok now i reinstalled kubu is a fresh install
[19:45] <flaccid_> lol
[19:45] <Odd-rationale> shane__: oh ok.
[19:46] <Odd-rationale> shane__: so the resolution is no longer a problem?
[19:47] <shane__> Odd-rationale: not yet i havent tryed the dual monitor yet lol
[19:47] <shane__> i can make it a prob in 1 sec though
[19:47] <simi> jhutchins_wk: do not worked, in /media sda1 , sda5 and others are missing
[19:47] <Odd-rationale> shane__: so the problem only exists when you have 2 monitors?
[19:48] <shane__> Odd-rationale:  yes its ok with just one,i got the 3d graphs to work
[19:49] <simi> i will restart
[19:49] <flaccid_> im off
[19:49] <flaccid_> ciao
[19:50]  * daskreech cowers
[19:51] <shane__> Odd-rationale:  its when i run my dual setting it locks in at 600 800
[19:52] <shane__> and then wont change back thats when i get a lockup on start after that
[19:52] <Odd-rationale> shane__: well, you will have to search the wiki or the forums for dual monitors... i never set a dual monitor myself...
[19:52] <F-u-z-z-Y> Hi there, I have recently installed the latest Kubuntu, but i have no sound. I have tried turning up all volume controls but had no luck. Am i missing anything? Thanks
[19:52] <Lupus-SLE> !dvd
[19:52] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok ill keep searchin it out
[19:54] <maxf01> salut tout le monde !!!
[19:54] <daskreech> !sound
[19:55] <Lupus-SLE> I'm having issues playing a DVD, kaffeine says to run 'sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh' which I did and it says the file is installed but kaffeine insists it's not
[19:56] <F-u-z-z-Y> ubottu: I have already tried disabling then enabling it again. I just did it again there but still have no luck. I'll check out the links, Thanks
[19:56] <F-u-z-z-Y> lol
[19:59] <crazy6> argh why does xsane segfault when I run it as user, but not as root?
[20:01] <kalorin> does anyone have any idea how to get an intel 2200bg wireless adapter working ?
[20:01] <kalorin> I've seen some stuff that talks about downloading drivers because I guess the kernel packages don't have the modules in theM?
[20:04] <karl__> i don't want samba server to start at boot; how do i stop it?
[20:04] <F-u-z-z-Y> !sound
[20:05] <Lupus-SLE> I'm unable to play dvds for some reason, it claims libdvdcss2 isn't installed but it is... though the dev package I tried to install too didn't work either
[20:05] <Lupus-SLE> Because it said the package wasn't installed
[20:05] <Lupus-SLE> But it is
[20:07] <ct529> flaccid__: xrandr: I keep getting the error: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3600x1200)
[20:07] <ct529> flaccid__: I do not understand
[20:07] <daskreech> karl__: Look in services and turn it off
[20:11] <kalorin> !ipw2200
[20:11] <kalorin> !wireless
[20:13] <Lupus-SLE> Good people, where can I get the libdvdcss2 package to play encrypted dvds
[20:13] <Lupus-SLE> Also are there any other packages I should know about?
[20:14] <karl__> i don't want samba server to start at boot; how do i remove it over the command line?
[20:14] <daskreech> !medibuntu
[20:15] <daskreech> karl__: Ah command line well look in your /etc/rc.* directories and remove the file from in there
[20:15] <daskreech> Lupus-SLE: ^^^ for ubottu
[20:15] <karl__> thx
[20:16] <Lupus-SLE> daskreech: Can I download just that package rather than having to add an entire repository?
[20:16] <daskreech> Lupus-SLE: In theory yeah
[20:16] <Lupus-SLE> daskreech: Where/how?
[20:17] <Lupus-SLE> I find the medibuntu repo to be slow
[20:17] <daskreech> Well I know that you can grab indiidual files at packages.ubuntu.com
[20:17] <daskreech> but hit up medibuntu.com and see if they have the same functions
[20:17] <daskreech> #medibuntu probably as well
[20:18] <Lupus-SLE> daskreech: Didn't work
[20:18] <Lupus-SLE> I installed the package and kaffeine is still complaining
[20:18] <daskreech> Lupus-SLE: are you on Hardy?
[20:19] <Lupus-SLE> daskreech: Yes
[20:20] <daskreech> Lupus-SLE: try install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:20] <SaraSmith> morning :)
[20:20] <kalorin> ok knetworkmanager for me shows the wired network but the wireless is grayed out
[20:20] <kalorin> anyone seen that before?
[20:21] <kalorin> and if I use iwlist it shows the networks around
[20:21] <Lupus-SLE> daskreech: I did that many moons ago
[20:21] <kalorin> I just can't get it to actually use that
[20:21] <kalorin> them
[20:21] <Lupus-SLE> Wait...
[20:21] <Lupus-SLE> This is a breakthrough
[20:22] <SaraSmith> i don't know what my cats stepped on, but my computer (hardy, i ran update/upgrade but did not reboot, before i went to bed) won't see mouse clicks. it's in a closed xchat window. page up works. help?
[20:22] <ct529> flaccid__: I cannot make it work ....
[20:22] <ct529> :(
[20:22] <Lupus-SLE> daskreech: Ok... odd... in my other usually crappier dvd drive it works :/
[20:22] <daskreech> SaraSmith: Alt+ctrl+F1 -> login as you -> sudo reboot
[20:28] <will00> is there a way to configure irkick to work with gtk and gnome programs?
[20:28] <grendal_prime> grrrr
[20:31]  * daskreech hugs kate
[20:33] <josa> im watching a video stream with various programs... with winxp it's smooth, yet kubuntu stops to buffer it about once every minute. what could be wrong :/?
[20:34]  * jpds hugs vim
[20:36] <SaraSmith> what's the keyboard command to bring up a terminal please?
[20:36] <daskreech> SaraSmith: from where?
[20:37] <daskreech> alt+space -> konsole -> enter probably one of the faster ways
[20:37] <genii> SaraSmith: ctrl-alt-f1 and alt-f7 to return to gui   or else alt-f2 and put name: konsole     so within the gui
[20:37] <SaraSmith> daskreech atm it's in xchat..
[20:37] <kalorin> does anyone have a wireless connection that's working under knetworkmanager?
[20:38] <genii> daskreech: Forgot about Katapult
[20:38] <SaraSmith> daskreech ok i can't click on a dialogue window.. just need the terminal :)
[20:39] <daskreech> SaraSmith: does alt+f2 work?
[20:39] <SaraSmith> daskreech yes .. dialogue window but with noo mouse i can't click
[20:40] <daskreech> it should be in focus
[20:40] <genii> use tab or shift-tab to change fields by keyboard
[20:40] <SaraSmith> can i just type terminal there?
[20:40] <daskreech> SaraSmith: If not press Alt+tab to get to it
[20:40] <daskreech> SaraSmith: type konsole
[20:40] <SaraSmith> i'm on my box.. ubuntu
[20:41] <daskreech> We get a lot of Ubuntu people in here for some reason
[20:41] <SaraSmith> it's a nicer channel
[20:42] <ct529> have good night everybody!
[20:43] <daskreech> SaraSmith: nicer software bereds nicer people :-)
[20:43] <SaraSmith> i can tell :)
[20:43] <SaraSmith> doesn't have konsole
[20:43] <genii> type   terminal                   then
[20:44] <daskreech> oohhh
[20:44] <daskreech> gnome-terminal
[20:44] <SaraSmith> ahkh!
[20:44] <SaraSmith> ahh!
[20:45] <SaraSmith> laptop keyboards are not so easy..
[20:45] <daskreech> ;-)
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> xterm should be common to both...
[20:45] <Lynxo> !Beryl
[20:45] <Lynxo> !compiz
[20:47] <SaraSmith> daskreech ok i've got a terminal and thank you :) .. now what? killall mouse?
[20:47] <daskreech> i dunno
[20:47] <daskreech> wahts the problem
[20:48] <gandhi_> hey! I just installed kubuntu, set up my network and was gonna install updates, but the add/remove program utility and adept manager wont start up.. any suggestions or command line workaround i can use, to get my system up to date?
[20:48] <genii> SaraSmith: If you were on kde it would be kpsmoused but ubuntu has a different name
[20:48] <Pennycook> gandhi_: Does it say anything about why they won't start up?
[20:49] <Haza> Evening folks. What do i have to type to install the Sun Java jdk 1.6 (apt-get install .........)
[20:49] <gandhi_> no, they just "disappear" after a while trying to start up.. no error msg, nothing.
[20:49] <kalorin> daskreech: do you use wireless at all with a notebook?
[20:50] <Pennycook> gandhi_: You could try running "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" to upgrade all the packages, but that won't help with why Adept isn't running; if you type "kdesu adept_manager" into a terminal then it'll probably show you an error message.
[20:50] <Pennycook> Haza: sun-java6-jdk
[20:51] <Haza> Pennycook: Cheers!
[20:51] <Haza> I just found it
[20:51] <Haza> I didn't realise that you can auto complete the file names
[20:51] <Haza> I always wondered how people remembered the names of packages :)
[20:51] <trappist> you can even auto-complete package names
[20:52] <trappist> try sudo apt-get install libki<tab><tab>
[20:52] <Haza> trappist: Thats what i did. Very useful indeed! :)
[20:53] <daskreech> !tab
[20:53] <Haza> How about this next one. How do i list all the java versions installed on my box and then set the default? I did it a couple of days ago in the terminal but i cannot remember
[20:53] <daskreech> run . /etc/bash_completion for more auto complete madness :)
[20:53] <Haza> But i do rememeber by default the jvm is the GNU one
[20:53] <Haza> and i need the sun one
[20:54] <daskreech> !alternatives
[20:54] <trappist> Jabop: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[20:56] <Vermux> why can't I see the contents under /home/username/desktop? ?It says that "no such file or directory"
[20:57] <Haza> :D
[20:57] <Haza> You guys are smart :)
[20:58] <daskreech> kalorin: Don't do notebooks don't do wireless
[20:58] <trappist> Vermux: it's case sensitive: Desktop
[20:58] <_CrashMaster_> Vermux: try it with a CAPITAL "d" in Desktop.,
[20:58] <_CrashMaster_> Linux pathnames are case sensetive.
[20:58] <daskreech> Haza: Caps unlike hats do indeed count
[20:58] <trappist> technically, only linux *filesystems* are case-sensitive, so it's different on say a fat32 filesystem
[20:59] <Vermux> trappist: yay, thanks
[20:59] <daskreech> I mean.. Vermux:
[20:59] <Vermux> _CrashMaster_: thanx
[20:59] <daskreech> Vermux:  Caps unlike hats do indeed count
[20:59] <Vermux> daskreech: :)
[21:00] <Haza> So, again, if i remember correctly. I now need to set the JAVA_HOME variable. I think i defined this in my user's .bashrc file at the end. What are the two lines i need again?
[21:00] <Haza> Something like export ....
[21:00] <Haza> and CLASSHPATH= .....
[21:00] <Vermux> how do I see contents of a text file that was created with windows? the name of the file has spaces in it
[21:00] <trappist> Haza: yeah, export CLASSPATH=/path/to/classpath
[21:01] <trappist> Vermux: escape the space "like\ this" or use tab completion
[21:01] <Haza> trappist: And is there not another line i have to define?
[21:01] <Haza> something with $JAVA_HOME in?
[21:01]  * Haza just wants to say he toasted his laptop today so he has to do a full reinstall :(
[21:02] <trappist> Haza: iono
[21:02] <trappist> Haza: if you install the package from apt, you shouldn't have to do anything
[21:02] <trappist> except update-alternatives
[21:03] <Haza> trappist: I ran into trouble last time. Im trying to learn how to do these things manually so i have a better chance of debugging them later ;)
[21:03] <Vermux> trappist: autocomplete doesnt do anything
[21:04] <kalorin> someone has to be using a wireless notebook
[21:04] <trappist> Vermux: then you're using it wrong.  if the name of the file is "My Text File" (using quotes, btw, is another solution) then say vi My<tab>
[21:04] <Haza> Vermux: You are using the right capitalization right?
[21:04] <kalorin> iwlist shows wireless networks for me
[21:04] <kalorin> knetworkmanager has a tab that's grayed out that says wireless
[21:04] <kalorin> I'm at a loss
[21:04] <kalorin> I can put XP back on it I guess, I just need it to function
[21:05] <Haza> kalorin`: Don't give up mate ;)
[21:05] <kalorin> haza, I just don't get it
[21:05] <kalorin> it lists networks like it sees them
[21:05] <kalorin> but it can't connect to any of them, encrypted or not
[21:05] <Colonel_Panic> can anybody help me with a sound system issue?
[21:06] <kalorin> the wired stuff works fine,
[21:06] <kalorin> certainly didn't have this issue with workstation class machines
[21:06] <Colonel_Panic> the sound just stopped working
[21:06] <Colonel_Panic> Kubuntu Hardy
[21:07] <kalorin> I go download the ieee80211-whatever patch level and it wouldn't compile, I download the ipw2200 drivers and they wouldn't compile
[21:07] <Haza> kalorin`: Ive had the very same problem recently
[21:07] <daskreech> Vermux: from the command line?
[21:07] <Haza> Is it a simple wireless setup?>
[21:07] <kalorin> haza what'd you end up doing?
[21:07] <kalorin> yeah
[21:07] <Haza> you have for example the ssid and the wep/wpa key?
[21:07] <kalorin> I'm not even trying to to the wpa stuff yet
[21:07] <Vermux> daskreech: problem solved
[21:07] <Vermux> trappist: ok
[21:07] <kalorin> yeah
[21:07] <daskreech> !sound
[21:07] <kalorin> haza: it never even asks for a password, for that matter knetwork manager acts like there's no wireless in the machine
[21:08] <kalorin> but the hardware switch is on, and it lists networks around it
[21:08] <Haza> kalorin`: What i did was this... borrowed the unencrypted wireless network of next doors ;)
[21:08] <kalorin> so I know it's got to be working
[21:08] <kalorin> sure, I'd be willing to borrow whatever i can find
[21:08] <Haza> Im still to get myself connected to my own network
[21:08] <kalorin> I've quite literally spent all day here working on this
[21:08] <Haza> But i have just reinstalled thise OS, so im still to try again
[21:08] <Colonel_Panic> OK I've tried all that stuff
[21:09] <kalorin> I guess I can do that as well, reinstall again, but you shouldn't have to do that
[21:09] <Colonel_Panic> I have an old Sound Blaster Live! card installed
[21:09] <Haza> kalorin`: You shouldn't have to
[21:09] <Colonel_Panic> I also have an onboard sound sstem on my ASUS mobo
[21:09] <kalorin> I just did the install yesterday, and apt is working fine
[21:09] <Vermux> Im trying to use sdiff to compare two text files but the output doesnt display all the text, only half row. any ideas?
[21:09] <Haza> I just destroyed my copy today
[21:09] <Haza> with something else
[21:09] <kalorin> ah
[21:10] <Colonel_Panic> I ntried to install some games to my new /home directory but many of them didn't install properly
[21:10] <Haza> kalorin`: If you give me 5 minutes i am going to try and connect to my network again
[21:10] <SaraSmith> daskreech anyone, does this look anything like my problem or does it help find a solution? i'm no coder. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/usbview/+bug/156085
[21:10] <daskreech> How didn't they install properly?
[21:10] <kalorin> haza: you've got it
[21:10] <kalorin> good luck
[21:10] <Colonel_Panic> I wonder if I might have unwittingly uninstalled some critical package or something
[21:11] <Colonel_Panic> I got the arror about failed dependencies or unable to download
[21:11] <_CrashMaster_> Dell Inspiron 1200 running Hardy + latest updates. The CRT/LCD switching function (FN + F8) has does absolutely nothing, but most of the other FN functions work fine. Thoughts?
[21:11] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: pastebin
[21:11] <Colonel_Panic> what do you want me to patebin?
[21:11] <SaraSmith> _CrashMaster_ you have problems after the latest updates too?
[21:12] <fuzari> canal BRASIL
[21:12] <fuzari> please
[21:13] <_CrashMaster_> SaraSmith: I can't tell. I havent tested this function pre-update
[21:14] <daskreech> !br
[21:15] <Haza> Back in 5 minutes
[21:17] <Colonel_Panic> last night I edited my /etc/fstab to have my /dev/sda3 partition to mount at /home
[21:17] <Colonel_Panic> I'm thinking that may have caused the problem
[21:17] <Colonel_Panic> is that possible?
[21:17] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: Possibly but not sure until we know what's failing
[21:17] <SaraSmith> Colonel_Panic i see.. i don't know enough to know about that one, wish you luck
[21:17] <Colonel_Panic> k well
[21:18] <daskreech> do you have the pastebin of the logs from the failed installs
[21:18] <Colonel_Panic> unfortunaltely, no
[21:19] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: Do you remember what faied?
[21:19] <daskreech> failed
[21:19] <Colonel_Panic> I've checked the system settings and ALSA is set as my default audio device
[21:19] <Colonel_Panic> amien arena
[21:19] <Colonel_Panic> *alien arena*
[21:19] <Colonel_Panic> was one
[21:20] <Colonel_Panic> I am running Hardy
[21:20] <Colonel_Panic> does that game not work under Hardy?
[21:20] <Colonel_Panic> you don't think the fstab edit had anything to do with it, do you?
[21:22] <Colonel_Panic> in Kmix, on the "switches" tab, shuld any of those be enabled?
[21:22] <daskreech> !info alien arena
[21:23] <daskreech> !find alien arena
[21:23] <daskreech> !info alien-arena
[21:23] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: sudo apt-get install alien-arena
[21:23] <daskreech> No idea why it's in multiverse
[21:24] <Colonel_Panic> OK I'm installing it now
[21:25] <ww_> hi. is there a way to make thunar sort files by file extenion?
[21:26] <ww_> extenSion even
[21:26] <daskreech> ww_: #xubuntu
[21:26] <Colonel_Panic> http://pastebin.com/m629fbaf7
[21:26] <ww_> daskreech: ?
[21:27] <daskreech> Thunar is an Xfce app they can best help you
[21:27] <ww_> tnx
[21:28] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: pastebin df -h
[21:28] <Guest58586> how come when i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 my crons stopped working?
[21:28] <Colonel_Panic> df -h?
[21:29] <Guest58586> i did a release upgrade
[21:29] <Colonel_Panic> what's df -h?
[21:30] <ww_> lol, sorry, didn't mean thunar. i did mean dolphin....
[21:30] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: In a terminal type df -h and then pastebin the results
[21:30] <daskreech> ww_: :-)
[21:31] <Colonel_Panic> http://pastebin.com/m3bf66db7
[21:31] <Colonel_Panic> maybe there's not enough space in my / directory to do this?
[21:32] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: Well you are only using 100% of it
[21:32] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: maybe time to go through and take out programs you rarely use?
[21:33] <daskreech> You could take another 10 GB from /home and give it to /
[21:33] <ww_> so.... is there a way to make dolphin sort files by file extension?
[21:33] <daskreech> Though you are using over 300 GB in /home so maybe you may want to be more conservative
[21:33] <daskreech> ww_: KDE3 ?
[21:33] <Colonel_Panic> well I moved my /home dir to my big partition at /dev/sda3
[21:33] <ww_> yes.
[21:34] <daskreech> ww_: not that I know of
[21:34] <ww_> uhh, that is not good for a default file manager. must have feature i'd say
[21:34] <Colonel_Panic> I mean, I set up my sda3 partition to mount at /home
[21:34] <ww_> how can i change the fefault fm back to konqueror?
[21:34] <kalorin> haza: any luck?
[21:34] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: And it is there
[21:34] <daskreech> !dolphin
[21:34] <ww_> tnx
[21:34] <Haza> Back, Folks i had real trouble getting flash to work with firefox last time i tried. What would you suggest is the easiest way to get flash working with firefox?
[21:35] <Haza> kalorin`: Not yet im afraid
[21:35] <Haza> Im just setting up all my server / java junk first
[21:35] <daskreech> Haza: how did you install last time?
[21:36] <Haza> daskreech: I remember placing flash library files into the firefox plugins dir
[21:36] <daskreech> Oh good grief
[21:36] <Haza> it would work initially because of permissions and such
[21:36] <Haza> But i tried many ways to get it working
[21:36] <daskreech> Haza: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:36] <daskreech> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[21:36] <Haza> I remember that one too :)
[21:37] <Colonel_Panic> so how can I find where all the space is being taken up?
[21:37] <Colonel_Panic> should I just sudo apt-get clean
[21:37] <Colonel_Panic> >
[21:37] <Colonel_Panic> ?
[21:37] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: That's a good start
[21:37] <Guest58586> anyone else have this problem?
[21:37] <daskreech> or autoclean
[21:37] <daskreech> Guest58586: Can't turn it back on?
[21:38] <trappist> Colonel_Panic: install and run xdiskusage
[21:38] <Guest58586> daskreech its on.... its just not running the script anymore
[21:39] <daskreech> trappist: The point is he can't install anything
[21:39] <trappist> o
[21:39] <daskreech> Guest58586: Oh.  Umm look at the cron logs?
[21:39] <Guest58586> */15 * * * * root /root/ms.pl is what needs to be ran
[21:39] <Guest58586> what log?
[21:39] <Haza> daskreech:
[21:39] <Haza> 21:38:49 (234.33 KB/s) - `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' saved [3044538/3044538]
[21:39] <Haza> Download done.
[21:39] <Haza> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[21:39] <Haza> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[21:39] <daskreech> Cron log
[21:39] <Haza> Sorry for the spam :)
[21:40] <daskreech> Guest58586: alt+space -> Ksystem -> enter
[21:41] <Guest58586> daskreech its a server
[21:41] <Guest58586> well its a headless server i mean to say
[21:41] <daskreech> Right. duh :)
[21:41] <daskreech> Guest58586: /var/log shoudl have you covered
[21:41] <daskreech> Haza: erk
[21:42] <Haza> heheh
[21:42] <Guest58586> tail -f /var/log/cron.log | grep ms.pl
[21:42] <Guest58586> should work right?
[21:42] <Haza> I  checked the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins dir and there is a shortcut to ../../flashplugin-nonfree
[21:42] <Haza> in that folder are no files :)
[21:44] <Colonel_Panic> ok what can I do to fix this sound issue?
[21:45] <Guest58586> this means its running right?, Jun  9 13:45:01 sherleon-server CRON[1425]: (root) CMD (/root/ms.pl)
[21:45]  * Haza chuckles
[21:45] <Haza> I knew flash wold get me again :)
[21:45] <Haza> *would
[21:45] <Guest58586> Haza flash is EVIL!!!
[21:46] <Guest58586> is there anyway to get live output from the cronserver?
[21:47] <Guest58586> see all of the junk that gets spit out?
[21:48] <daskreech> Guest58586: Yes it's running it
[21:48] <daskreech> Guest58586: Modify your logging limits or do a dump from the outputof the command to your own personal log
[21:49] <Guest58586> how do i do that and also what is the difference from raid 1 and raid 0 and what is better?
[21:49] <Colonel_Panic> well the microphone works
[21:49] <pbrabbit> Hello All
[21:49] <Colonel_Panic> if the mic is on, I can hear its input coming through the speakersa
[21:50] <Colonel_Panic> so I know the audio card is being seen
[21:50] <Colonel_Panic> the issue seems to be with file playback
[21:51] <pbrabbit> So How is everyone doing?
[21:51] <pbrabbit> What type of Chat is this?
[21:51] <anom01y> is kubuntu a good system for a desktop computer ?
[21:51] <Colonel_Panic> it's mostly tech talk about Kubuntu linux
[21:51] <anom01y> I need something that has good support and good quality
[21:51] <pbrabbit> Thanks Colonel_Panic
[21:52] <pbrabbit> Well Kubuntu is a nice distr.
[21:52] <trappist> anom01y: you've come to the wrong place for an objective opinion on that - we all use kubuntu on the desktop
[21:52] <ganesh> hai if i install virtualbox where should i add the vboxusers group
[21:52] <Colonel_Panic> well, it's better to get the answer from us than from somebody who has never tried it
[21:53] <anom01y> ok if I download kubuntu, does it use \kde 4 ?
[21:53] <pbrabbit> Yes
[21:53] <Colonel_Panic> get the Live CD
[21:53] <Guest58586> what raid type should i use, 0,1,4,5?
[21:53] <Colonel_Panic> try before you install it on your hard drive
[21:53] <Haza> Guest58586: Hehehe, Alas i need flash
[21:53] <SlimeyPete> anom01y: if you download the remix, yes
[21:53] <anom01y> what is the link the the live cd
[21:53] <anom01y> is the remix a live cd ?
[21:53] <SlimeyPete> standard kubuntu has kde 3
[21:53] <SlimeyPete> anom01y: yes
[21:54] <anom01y> Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 4 Remix)
[21:54] <anom01y> can I install that to the hard drive with no problems ?
[21:54] <anom01y> and run lots of apps ?
[21:54] <SlimeyPete> yes but bear in mind that kde 4 is still quite unfinished
[21:55] <SlimeyPete> kde 3 is much more reliable
[21:55] <anom01y> I am thinking about switching from Kanotix to Kubuntu
[21:55] <Colonel_Panic> I'd say go with 3.5.9 for the time being
[21:56] <Colonel_Panic> what's Kanotix like?
[21:56] <anom01y> not too bad
[21:56] <Haza> So, it looks like my plugin directory for firefox is pointing to a directory (/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree) that has no library file within it. Should i go and doanload the flasgplugin libraries myself then?
[21:56] <Colonel_Panic> I been wanting to check out pclinuxos
[21:56] <anom01y> but I've been using it for 2-3 years
[21:56] <anom01y> they all speak German there
[21:57] <Colonel_Panic> I'm wondering if this might not be an issue with my sound settings...
[21:57] <anom01y> so getting help sometimes is hard
[21:57] <Colonel_Panic> heh I have a German friend who's running Ubuntu and having some trouble
[21:57] <Colonel_Panic> he was having trouble with samba yesterday
[21:57] <anom01y> should I just get kubuntu hardy heron ?
[21:57] <Colonel_Panic> maybe I ought to point him over there
[21:58] <Colonel_Panic> get the live CD yeah
[21:58] <Colonel_Panic> try it out
[21:58] <Colonel_Panic> I think you'll be pleasantly surprised
[21:58] <anom01y> 8.04
[21:58] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: what kind of files?
[21:59] <anom01y> should I get the alternate install cd ?
[21:59] <Colonel_Panic> I dunno
[21:59] <Colonel_Panic> I can tell the mic is working
[21:59] <Colonel_Panic> but encoded sounds aren't playing
[22:00] <Colonel_Panic> system sounds aren't working, nor are sounds in movies or audio files
[22:00] <anom01y> Colonel_Panic: should I get the alternate install cd ?
[22:00] <Colonel_Panic> alternate install cd?
[22:00] <shane__> Odd-rationale:
[22:00] <Colonel_Panic> well the live CD will allow tou to try it out and then to install it if you lie it
[22:01] <Colonel_Panic> *like*
[22:01] <mutable> Hello. How can I set Konqueror to open archives (zip, jar, tar.gz, ...) with KIO slaves by default? Currently when I try to open them it spawns external apps
[22:01] <daskreech> SlimeyPete: KDE3 is unfinished
[22:01] <daskreech> Just not QUITE unfinished :)
[22:01] <SlimeyPete> heh
[22:01] <anom01y> desktop cd or the alternate install cd ?
[22:01] <anom01y> Im sure I will like it
[22:02] <SlimeyPete> anom01y: desktop is a livecd
[22:02] <SlimeyPete> alternate uses a text-based installer
[22:02] <shane__> Odd-rationale: i got the freshh install complete and i put the ati catalyst control centre in as well as the driver fglrx it seems more glitchy and when i open ati catalyst i get black flicker lines on desktop does this sound right to you
[22:03] <mutable> Nobody using Konqueror?
[22:03] <daskreech> mutable: possible though unlikely
[22:04] <mutable> daskreech: what's your favorite file managing method :) ?
[22:04] <daskreech> rm ?
[22:05] <mutable> :)
[22:05] <Colonel_Panic> maybe I ought to reinstall the whole damn OS
[22:06] <Colonel_Panic> I'm all out of ideas
[22:07] <Pennycook> Colonel_Panic: I know a while ago I had issues with my sound drivers not working after a kernel update; have you tried using an old kernel?
[22:07] <Colonel_Panic> no...
[22:08] <anom01y> well the xubuntu install cd does not work
[22:09] <Colonel_Panic> well, alien arena runs but there's still no sound
[22:09] <jals> what's a good cd ripper?
[22:10] <Pennycook> Colonel_Panic: If you restart, you'll be able to select an older kernel from your GRUB list.
[22:10] <Colonel_Panic> think that may work?
[22:10] <Pennycook> !k3b | jals
[22:10] <Pennycook> Colonel_Panic: It's worth a try.  It worked for me at one point.
[22:11] <jals> hmm
[22:11] <Colonel_Panic> I should have ALSA selected as my audio device, correct?
[22:11] <jals> yeah i guess i'll try figure it out
[22:11] <Colonel_Panic> how do I do that?
[22:11] <jals> is there any with a more friendly UI for configing ripping bitrate etc?
[22:11] <daskreech> Colonel_Panic: I dunno.  are we pulse audio now?
[22:11] <Colonel_Panic> pulse audio?
[22:11] <stunner> hi
[22:12] <jals> also, is compiz fusion not installed by default on kubuntu?
[22:12] <Colonel_Panic> should I try Open Sound System?
[22:13] <anom01y> yeah I just got a new sound card and alsa doesnt support it (X FI extreme pci - e
[22:13] <willi_ballenthin> jals: no compiz isnt installed by default
[22:13] <rami> Is there any like an alarm clock for kub? since i dont know where my mobile phone is and i'm quitting school tomorrow.
[22:13] <anom01y> I was told to use oss
[22:13] <jals> thank willi_ballenthin, will have to remedy that
[22:13] <willi_ballenthin> rami: look into kontact?
[22:13] <willi_ballenthin> i know you can set events
[22:13] <willi_ballenthin> and have alarms come up
[22:13] <Pennycook> Colonel_Panic: K Menu > System Settings > Sound System > Hardware.  In "Select the audio device", Advanced Linux Sound Architecture is ALSA.  The General tab in the same menu lets you test if the sound works; it might be worth playing with the different audio devices.
[22:13] <willi_ballenthin> perhaps have it trigger a sountd playing?
[22:14] <rami> i want it to trigger "Oxygene Part 4" :D
[22:14] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[22:15] <Colonel_Panic> i selected Open Sound System and got some sound!
[22:15] <Colonel_Panic> let me make sure everything else works
[22:15] <willi_ballenthin> rami: go to contact -> calendar -> new event -> reminder -> application/script
[22:15] <willi_ballenthin> then mpg123 (make sure its installed)
[22:16] <willi_ballenthin> and the file as a parameter
[22:16] <willi_ballenthin> that should work..
[22:16] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm...weord
[22:16] <rami> i already found it thanks
[22:16] <willi_ballenthin> oh ok
[22:16] <ganesh> hello somebody pls help me when i tried virtualbox it shows install virtual box ose modules how could i install all these stuffs
[22:16] <Colonel_Panic> it worked for a second, then when I opened a different file it went out again
[22:16] <rami> but it has to trigger Jarre.
[22:16] <willi_ballenthin> apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[22:17] <willi_ballenthin> probably
[22:17] <willi_ballenthin> im not entirely sure what the difference between ...module-generic and ...modules-386  etc. are
[22:17] <willi_ballenthin> but try that ...generic package
[22:18] <anom01y> anyone here think oss would be ok for a new sound card (creative XFI Extreme pci-e)
[22:18] <ganesh> ok will try that
[22:19] <todd__> My guess would be modules-generic probably works on either processor set, modules-386 probably is optimized for i386 (32 bit) systems, and most likely there is one for the amd-64 processor family as well
[22:19] <Pennycook> ganesh: The generic package always depends on the latest module available (ie if you install it it will auto-upgrade your virtualbox modules when a new kernel is released)
[22:20] <ganesh> thank u
[22:22] <h2o> does disableing noatime bring better performance than realatime?
[22:39] <msnbot> hello, my ubuntu has no fork() function installed. no ip_fw.h header file. how to get all those development stuff
[22:40] <Tadu> ... and so Ubuntu joins the choir with AmigaOS of not having fork()? ^_^
[22:40] <shane_> Odd-rationale: hey u still there
[22:40] <gandhi_> I'm trying to install Java using the adept manager, but why is there so many java entries there? what should i choose? I want java runtimes for using azureus and plugin for firefox.
[22:40] <SlimeyPete> msnbot: tried installing build-essential?
[22:41] <daskreech> !compile
[22:41] <SlimeyPete> <-- not a C programmer... but build-essential is always the first step
[22:41] <msnbot> Its already installed
[22:41] <msnbot> I need system header files
[22:41] <Tadu> @msnbot: it's defined in /usr/include/unistd.h from package libc6-dev
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> msnbot: the fork() function is deprecated, it's been replaced by spork()
[22:42] <msnbot> okay.
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> that was a joke.
[22:42] <daskreech> friendlier and 89% more plastic!
[22:46] <hellhound> is there a way to force the removal of an "installed" package?  i need to remove libghc6-hgl-dev but when i try from adept i get "there was an error commiting changes.  possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit wouldbreak packages"
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[22:51] <daskreech> !hi
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> does anyone use transmission?
[22:51] <hellhound> is there a way to force the removal of an "installed" package?  i need to remove libghc6-hgl-dev but when i try from adept i get "there was an error commiting changes.  possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit wouldbreak packages"
[22:51] <Haza> daskreech: By the way, i just copied the flash.so into the flashplugin-nonfree dir in the end :)
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> hellhound: sudo apt-egt install -f then try again
[22:51] <Haza> well, libflash.so whatever
[22:53] <eMaX_> someone here also on #ubuntu and op there?
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> or can ayone reccommend a torrent client that will watch a folder for .torrent files and start downloading them if i copy a .torrent to a monitored folder/
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> eMaX_: why you asking/
[22:53]  * dalew is away: Gone away for now.
[22:53] <hellhound> ActionParsnip: i tried that i get "ghc-pkg: dependency X11-1.3.0 doesn't exist" and then "Errors were encountered while processing: libghc6-hgl-dev
[22:54] <eMaX_> ActionParsnip: someone was self-confident enough to ban me from there about 4 hours ago and then went away
[22:54] <eMaX_> on another topic - what may be the reason for kdm using 100 % cpu
[22:54] <daskreech> Haza: Worked?
[22:55] <Haza> Hehe, yup
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> eMaX_: jussi01  is in
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> eMaX_: make noises at him :)
[22:58] <hellhound> ActionParsnip: any other ideas?
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> hellhound: try individually installing what its moaning about
[22:58] <Pennycook> ActionParsnip: KTorrent will do that.
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> Pennycook: im on fluxbuntu but #kubuntu seems to house the smart cookies
[22:59] <Pennycook> rtorrent is a pretty powerful terminal-based alternative, then.
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> does it monitor folders/
[23:00] <Pennycook> If you set it up right, yes.
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> miiiint
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> :)
[23:00] <hellhound> ActionParsnip: i am not sure what you are meaning.  the only thing that "sudo apt-get -f install" moaned about is the libghb6-hgl-dev which is what i am trying to remove.  it is not installed properly because it could not find X11-1.3.0 and i looked through adept and it does not have a package named that... i do not need the libghc6-hgl-dev so i just want to remove it
[23:01] <|Toad> i've got what's probably a really stupid question, but i'm just curious
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> hellhound: could install it to remove it
[23:02] <level1__> does anyone know how to enable japanese input in kde?
[23:02] <|Toad> i've got 3 differnt kernels in my grub lisst, do i really need the older versions for anything?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> !ask toad
[23:02] <rickest> |Toad: no
[23:02] <hellhound> ActionParsnip: it won't install because of that missing dependency and it won't remove because of that same missing dependency
[23:02] <FoxI2> hellhound, This may help: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libghc6-hgl-dev
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> hellhound: could use force
[23:03] <Pennycook> |Toad: So long as everything is compatible with your new kernel, no.  Sometimes drivers can break.
[23:03] <|Toad> okay
[23:03] <|Toad> soo after i use it for a few day,s if all's well, i can jusst remove them from the grub list, or is there a way ro fully remove them?
[23:04] <rickest> |Toad: uninstall them in adept_manager or whatever pkg management tool you're using
[23:04] <|Toad> okay, thanks
[23:04] <FoxI2> |Toad, I would make sure to always have the previous version kept on there. Just incase of emergencies. You can remove the third easily enough though.
[23:04] <rickest> |Toad: if you haven't manually changed /boot/grub/menu.lst, I think it will remove them from the menu automatically
[23:05] <|Toad> i'm still jsut pretty new at this, i used gutsy gibbon for awhile, then went back to windows, and it never updated hte kernel
[23:05] <|Toad> now hardy seem to update the kernel weekly
[23:05] <|Toad> hehe
[23:05] <FoxI2> rickest, you're right. It does remove the menu entry.
[23:05] <rickest> FoxI2: ah, thanks.  I change my menu.lst so I wasn't sure :)
[23:06] <hellhound> FoxI2: thank you for the site... i made sure that i had all the dependencies installed and I do.. but i still cannot uninstall the libghc6-hgl-dev
[23:06] <hellhound> ActionParsnip: how would I use force?  i have never used that before
[23:07] <FoxI2> |Toad, I couldn't get on with Gutsy either. I went straight from Feisty to Hardy.
[23:07] <|Toad> well, i never used feisty
[23:08] <|Toad> my previous linux experiences before gutsy were reall old. like red hat 6 and mandrake 6
[23:08] <|Toad> but gutsy got me hooked on kde3
[23:08] <|Toad> i can't live without amarok now
[23:09] <FoxI2> hellhound, I don't know much about this, but it sounds like an attribute is set wrong in a log somewhere, but I'm unsure.
[23:09] <|Toad> i went back to windows for a few months, and just waited for a new kubuntu to come out so hopefulyl my built i wireless card would work
[23:09] <FoxI2> |Toad, Wait until you see kde4!
[23:09] <|Toad> i tried kde4 in gutsy for a day or so, dindt' like it
[23:10] <mneptok> KDE4 makes some ... interesting ... assumptions about use of the desktop
[23:10] <|Toad> i wish i could make hte task pane single height sometimes
[23:11] <FoxI2> |Toad, try here > http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ and see if you can find any compatibility info. Either that or try for linux hardware lists in google.
[23:11] <hellhound> FoxI2: is there a way to force the uninstall or tell adept to ignore the package?
[23:11] <|Toad> i dont really use multiple desktops, or have like 10 windows upen
[23:11] <|Toad> oh, my built in wireless works greay in hardy
[23:11] <jhutchins_wk> |Toad: kde 3.5.x?
[23:11] <|Toad> jhutchins_wk: whatever comes with hardy
[23:12] <FoxI2> mneptok, I haven't had a chance to really look at it, but I'm certainly looking forward to it.
[23:12] <|Toad> sorry for being such a noob
[23:12] <FoxI2> hellhound, I can't think of anything at the minute. Let me have a look around and see.
[23:12] <|Toad> yeah, 3.5.9
[23:13] <hellhound> i found this site: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-hgl/+bug/202974     and it mentions changing the register.sh file to the right X11 bindings by typing "ghc-pkg list x11"  but it does not return anything when i do that
[23:13] <jhutchins_wk> |Toad: Right click the desktop, configure desktop, I usually set the desktops to 2 because _sometimes_ I use a second one.  Right click the panel, choose Panel Menu, configure panel, arrangement/size=small.
[23:14] <jhutchins_wk> hellhound: I believe no return is correct for that command, restart X for it to take effect.
[23:15] <hellhound> jhutchins_wk: ok will be back
[23:17] <|Toad> jhutchins_wk: omg, thank you
[23:20]  * nainef is downloading 107 packages :)
[23:20] <nainef> w00t
[23:26] <hellhound> ok i got it to uninstall by editing the register.sh and removing the x11 dependency
[23:28] <jhutchins_wk> hellhound: Sorry, I guess I didn't understand what you were trying to do.
[23:28] <jhutchins_wk> hellhound: Glad you go ti t working.
[23:29] <hellhound> jhutchins_wk: np and ty for everyones help
[23:32] <l3x> hello ppl
[23:35] <sensae> Hello
[23:37] <l3x> what is the name of that console web browser?
[23:38] <l3x> links or lynks?
[23:42] <ganesh> anyone knows how to add to vxboxuser in kubuntu
[23:43] <ganesh> hello anyone knows pls tell me
[23:43] <stdin> ganesh: System Settings -> User Management
[23:43] <ganesh> hen
[23:43] <ganesh> then
[23:44] <stdin> click the "Administrator Mode" button
[23:44] <sensae> Find your user, modify it, add to vbox
[23:45] <stdin> go to the Groups tab and click "Show system groups"
[23:45] <sensae> I've got my phone successfully syncing to Mobical - a SyncML service. Anyone know what the easiest way is to sync Kontact with SyncML?
[23:45] <stdin> ganesh: then you should be able to double click the group and add whatever uses you want
[23:45] <zuinglio> i love all of you!
[23:46] <ganesh> i cant find vbox there
[23:46] <ganesh> i clicked modify but cant find it
[23:47] <stdin> !virtualbox
[23:47] <stdin> try giving that page a look
[23:48] <stdin> I don't have it installed, so can only tell you what I remember from installing it a while ago
[23:48] <Colonel_Panic> ok I don't know why, but if I change the sound settings to Open Sound System, it works for awhile but as soon as I close the application, it stops working. Then I have to go back into the sound settings and change the audio device setting to something different and then back again to get it to work again.
[23:48] <ganesh> am alredy having one virtual box installed in the system
[23:49] <Colonel_Panic> anybody have an idea why it's doing this?
[23:49] <stdin> Colonel_Panic: with OSS usually only one application/process can use the sound card at any one time
[23:49] <stdin> that's why we use ALSA or aRts
[23:49] <Exilant> oh hi Colonel_Panic
[23:50] <Exilant> succeeded in changing the mountpoints?
[23:50] <Colonel_Panic> ok, but even if I use the same app again, it won't work until I switch the setting , restart the audio system, then change it back to OSS and restart it again
[23:50] <Colonel_Panic> hey Exilant
[23:50] <Colonel_Panic> I got the /home partition changed over, but there are a few issues still
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> it's not seeing my old /home partitin for me to delete it, and I'm having this sound problem
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> I mean my old /home directory
[23:51] <Exilant> hm, did you rename your old home?
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> it wasn't on a discrete partition before
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> I did
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> home.old
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> but it doesn't show up after the reboot
[23:51] <Exilant> weird
[23:52] <Colonel_Panic> however, the space it took up is still somehow occupied
[23:52] <Exilant> hm, was it perhaps mounted?
[23:52] <Colonel_Panic> and I keep coming up against the space limitation
[23:52] <Exilant> another partition?
[23:54] <Colonel_Panic> Exilant: http://pastebin.com/m2a655215
[23:54] <Exilant> oh wow
[23:55] <Exilant> you really manage to fill 500 gigs, i'm impressed
[23:56] <Colonel_Panic> it's all pr0n
[23:56] <Colonel_Panic> (j/k)
[23:56] <Colonel_Panic> lots of movies and stuff like that
[23:56] <Colonel_Panic> music...
[23:56] <Colonel_Panic> anyway
[23:56] <Exilant> yeah, that takes space
[23:56] <Exilant> try filelight
[23:57] <Colonel_Panic> I have 3 partitions on the drive: the 9.2 GB sda1 which mounts at /, the  .5 GB sda2 partiti0n which is the swap file and and the 500GB big partition sda3
[23:57] <Colonel_Panic> yeah I have
[23:57] <Exilant> it gives you a graphical representation of what takes the space
[23:57] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[23:57] <Colonel_Panic> hold on
[23:57] <Exilant> so you should see where the home.old went, if you accidentally moved it somewhere or sth. like that
[23:58] <jhutchins_wk> Colonel_Panic: might be a good idea to boot from a live CD and look around.
[23:58] <Colonel_Panic> I don't think I did
[23:58] <Colonel_Panic> yeah?
[23:58] <Exilant> well, maybe you didn't move it
[23:58] <Colonel_Panic> think a liveCD will give me a different perspective on my filesystem?
[23:58] <Exilant> and it gets kind of shadowed
[23:59] <Exilant> with a livecd, you can change stuff that would normally be used