[00:25] <mwhudson> johan: ah, we've found the problem
[00:28] <mwhudson> (i'm tempted to say "it's called subversion", but that would be a bit mean)
[01:45] <johan> mwhudson_: ouch, what was it?
[02:09] <mwhudson_> johan: pysvn.Client.update ignores the ignore_externals parameter
[02:09] <mwhudson_> johan: hopefully will have a fix by tomorrow
[02:24] <jamesh> perhaps you accidentally had ignore_ignore_externals set?
[02:27] <wgrant> It's Subversion, so it'll do things the wrong way. There's probably a dont_ignore_ignore_externals which defaults to False.
[02:28] <mwhudson_> jamesh: no, it's pretty clearly a pysvn bug
[02:28] <mwhudson_> oh sorry, you were already in sarcastic mode
[09:12] <mrevell> morning all
[09:12] <leoquant> morning mrvell
[09:16] <thekorn> hi, is there a way to get a list of all people/teams auto-subscribed to all bugs in ubuntu?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> morning mrevell!
[09:22] <jamesh> thekorn: the portlet on the left of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+subscribe is probably what you're after
[09:26] <thekorn> jamesh, yes, thanks, one more question: why do users with usernames ending with '-deactivatedaccount' still appear on this list?
[09:27] <jamesh> thekorn: probably because the code for the portlet isn't filtering them out like it should
[09:27] <jamesh> you could file a bug report
[09:27] <thekorn> jamesh, ok, will do, thanks
[09:27] <jamesh> thanks
[09:27] <wgrant> Why are they renamed -deactivatedaccount, when they aren't usually? To free up the namespace?
[09:29] <jamesh> wgrant: yes
[12:02] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:15] <sigurdga_> Hello. Is it possible to update translations.lauchpad.net, so that the Ubuntu-link in the tag-cloud does not point at Gutsy?
[12:19] <jamesh> the translation focus for Ubuntu seems to still be set to Gutsy
[12:19] <jamesh> jtv/danilo: ^^^ is this something you can fix?
[12:21] <jtv> jamesh: yes, but let us discuss it first.
[12:21] <jtv> It's normal practice for us to keep the translation focus pointing at an older release; we copy translations to the newer release from time to time.
[12:21] <jamesh> right.  I guess it is something for the Ubuntu guys to decide
[12:21] <jamesh> fair enough
[12:22] <jtv> In general, translation focus is the oldest Ubuntu release that is still "actively supported," as seen from the translations point of view.
[12:22] <sigurdga> I was a bit worried when a (new) translator started to work on Gutsy
[12:22] <sigurdga> Ok
[12:22] <jamesh> of course, people might not be able to get 100% coverage without doing some translation on the newer releases after the copying process
[12:23] <jtv> jamesh: that is true, but we're working on a more effective solution for that.
[12:23] <jamesh> cool
[12:24] <sigurdga> Thanks for the explanation :)
[15:54] <Rhonda> I am having repeated troubles with merging of an account, it's related to a translation that is sitting with the account I want to merge from, from what I got told so far.
[15:54] <Rhonda> Is it possible to somehow request a manual merge for it? If so, where and how?
[15:59] <salgado> Rhonda, file a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:04] <Rhonda> salgado: Thanks,  added.
[17:23]  * andrea-bs gives thanks mrevell for the interview :)
[17:23] <AnMaster> has lanuchpad changed pushing? before it was: ssh+bzr, but now I get an error?
[17:24] <AnMaster> I did put up my ssh key id
[17:24] <AnMaster> public key that is
[17:24] <andrea-bs> AnMaster: which error?
[17:24] <mrevell> andrea-bs: Hey, my pleasure :)
[17:24] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, connection refused
[17:25] <andrea-bs> AnMaster: the full message?
[17:26] <AnMaster> a sec
[17:27] <andrea-bs> surely
[17:27]  * AnMaster closed terminal by mistake
[17:27] <AnMaster> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://anmaster@bazaar.launchpad.net/~anmaster/envbot/nick-tracking/
[17:27] <AnMaster> Connection refused.
[17:27] <AnMaster> that's all
[17:29] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, and when I look on launchpad. on a new branch I just created I see " 	 bzr push lp:~anmaster/envbot/starttls"
[17:29] <AnMaster> why no longer use bzr+ssh?
[17:29] <andrea-bs> lp: is a shorter way, but it's the same
[17:30] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, except lp gives another error:
[17:30] <AnMaster> "run "bzr launchpad-login YOUR_ID" and try again."
[17:30] <andrea-bs> AnMaster: is your ssh key in your ~/.ssh directory?
[17:30] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, of course it is. I use ssh key extensively
[17:30] <AnMaster> so ssh-agent is running too
[17:31] <AnMaster> anyway it suddenly works now
[17:31] <andrea-bs> run "bzr launchpad-login YOUR_ID" and try again. ← you have to run this command to push to launchpad using lp:...
[17:31] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, yes and why I wonder?
[17:31] <AnMaster> to me that makes no sense
[17:32] <andrea-bs> because "lp:..." is a simple alias to "bzr+ssh://nick@bazaar.launchpad.net/"
[17:33] <AnMaster> ok... why should launchpad have it's own protocol alias I wonder
[17:33] <andrea-bs> you need to insert your nick both with bzr+ssh: and lp:
[17:34] <andrea-bs> I think it's because there are too many users and launchpad should check every ssh key
[17:34] <andrea-bs> this procedure can be very slow
[19:42] <cr3> hey folks, if I'm getting the following error for a project hosted on LP, does that mean it's corrupted server side: bzr: ERROR: Revision {email-20080417161838-a2tfnk26kx1q7vjf} not present in "revisions.kndx".
[19:51] <cr3> might it be possible that the repository might be corrupted server side? if so, must it be fixed server side?
[20:12] <kiko> cr3, do you have a branch of that repo? if so, just push --overwrite might fix it.
[20:14] <cr3> kiko: that returns the same image as when I try to commit: bzr: ERROR: Unknown bzrdir format: ''
[20:15] <kiko> the same error. hmmm, what did abentley say?
[20:15] <kiko> what does bzr info on the remote repo say, in a paste?
[20:15] <cr3> kiko: aha, I changed my branch.conf from using sftp: to lp: and that worked!
[20:15] <kiko> that means bzr+ssh 
[20:16] <kiko> but cool
[20:16] <cr3> kiko: dude, I could kiss you right now! I thought this would ruin my afternoon but you've given me hope of getting some work done!
[20:16] <kiko> heh
[20:16] <kiko> err no need for kissing, I feel appreciated already
[20:17] <kiko> cr3, how about in return you tell me how to get sendmail to send mail through port 25?
[20:24] <cr3> kiko: there might be a potential for me to know this, one moment :)
[20:24] <kiko> cr3, it's okay, it was mostly a joke
[20:25] <kiko> something's busted in a server's sendmail and I can't fix it
[20:25] <cr3> kiko: mail servers were once my expertise, so I might prove to be useful
[20:27] <cr3> kiko: EtienneG is also very good with mail servers, so you might be able to get some assistance
[20:32] <abentley> kiko: cr3 apparently had this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/205156 
[20:32] <kiko> abentley, I hate that
[20:33] <abentley> kiko: You can avoid it by ensuring both branches are packs.  (or knits, I suppose)
[20:58] <Syntux> Good day, If someone translated of an app that is not set up for translation in LP, what s/he should do ? 
[21:00] <beuno> kiko, abentley, maybe a warning in code.lp.net for branches that are still in older formats would help push people to upgrade?
[21:00] <abentley> beuno: Like some kind of nag email?
[21:01] <beuno> abentley, it could be something *in* the branch itself in the page, and, well, nag mail would be better  :)
[21:02] <abentley> beuno: I can discuss that with the code team.
[21:03] <beuno> abentley, cool. Would really start to cut down on recurring knit incidents
[21:04] <kiko> Syntux, talk to the app maintainers, or translate in Ubuntu.
[22:00] <domas> hi! how to file branch-specific bug?
[22:00] <mtaylor> domas: you just file it!
[22:01] <mtaylor> domas: the project has to use launchpad as its bug tracker, I believe, for that to work
[22:01] <domas> mtaylor: but people would be annoyed if I'd track 'private' branch specific bugs 
[22:01] <beuno> well, I'm not sure it goes both ways, as in "this bug is for the branch", as opposed to "this branch fixes this bug"
[22:02] <beuno> it's probably a project bug, and you can specify it's in trunk, or even a specific revision
[22:02] <domas> so generally, if I want something standalone, I have to create new project for that?
[22:02] <beuno> domas, yes, that's the drill
[22:03] <domas> damn :)
[22:03] <mtaylor> hm. this might get a little confusing then
[22:03] <beuno> in fact, branches are uploaded to projects
[22:03] <beuno> or +junk
[22:03] <beuno> which is not very encouraging  :)
[22:03] <mtaylor> yes - be we're about to have a flurry of "forks" of MySQL uploaded 
[22:03] <mtaylor> some of which will have their own bugs. 
[22:04] <mtaylor> interesting problem, domas 
[22:04] <beuno> mtaylor, that's an interesting use case
[22:04]  * beuno pokes kiko 
[22:04] <domas> beuno: I'm maintaining one mysql fork
[22:04] <domas> :)
[22:04] <mtaylor> I know of three active forks that have been uploaded already
[22:04] <mtaylor> I guess it would be easier if we were using launchpad for bugs...
[22:05] <mtaylor> domas: convince people we need to migrate bug trackers!
[22:05] <mtaylor> :)
[22:05] <domas> funny haha
[22:05] <kiko> mtaylor, take ~mysql, it's free now.
[22:05] <domas> mtaylor: yeah, in theory a fork should have a separate project
[22:05] <flyingparchment> after i push to bzr, when i try to view the revision on the website, it's really, really slow.  is that normal?
[22:06] <domas> flyingparchment: I'm getting 404s now
[22:06] <domas> it is even more than normal%)
[22:06] <beuno> flyingparchment, yes, Loggerhead is slowish for now, but there should be an upgrade to it soon  :)
[22:06] <domas> beuno: loggerhead throws 404s
[22:07] <domas> (thought you may be interested ;-)
[22:07] <flyingparchment> i got two 'please try again' messages ;-)
[22:07] <mtaylor> kiko: thanks
[22:08] <beuno> domas, what URL?
[22:08] <flyingparchment> oh, now it's 404
[22:08] <domas> beuno: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wikimedia/mysql/mysql-5.0/revision/2641
[22:08] <flyingparchment> beuno: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wikimedia/mysql/mysql-5.0/revision/2641
[22:08] <beuno> it must be down again
[22:08] <domas> flyingparchment: ;-D
[22:08] <domas> who are you?!!?
[22:08] <beuno> mwhudson, poke  ^
[22:08] <mtaylor> kiko: got it. thanks
[22:09] <beuno> not sure he's up yet
[22:09] <beuno> kiko, is there anyone else who can revive loggerhead?
[22:09] <mwhudson> beuno: looking at it
[22:09] <beuno> mwhudson, :)
[22:10] <kiko> mtaylor, rock on!
[22:12] <domas> mtaylor: I wonder when we'll have dropdown for a branch in our bugs system :)
[22:12] <domas> mtaylor: did you see this one: http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-have-created-project-at-launchpad-to.html ? :)
[22:12] <mtaylor> domas: yup
[22:12] <mtaylor> domas: as soon as we convince kiko to hook launchpad bugs up to mysql bugs 
[22:12] <mtaylor> :)
[22:13] <kiko> I'm convinced! I just need an extra engineer
[22:13] <mtaylor> hehe
[22:13]  * domas sacrifices mtaylor 
[22:13] <mtaylor> what? busy? 
[22:13] <kiko> pas moi
[22:13] <domas> btw, when am I going to see 'you're out of quota' message? :)
[22:13] <mtaylor> domas: I actually tried to convince someone a while back that we should have canonical pay half of my salary and mysql the other half. 
[22:13] <mtaylor> domas: the idea didn't actually go anywhere
[22:13] <domas> =)
[22:14] <flyingparchment> mtaylor: wouldn't it be better if they both paid all of it?
[22:14] <mtaylor> I used you as an example though!
[22:14] <mtaylor> flyingparchment: YES!
[22:14]  * mtaylor votes for flyingparchment's idea
[22:21] <mwhudson> loggerhead is back
[22:22]  * beuno cheers mwhudson 
[22:23] <mwhudson> beuno: have i mentioned how much i like cherrypy recently?
[22:24] <beuno> mwhudson, I can sympathize to some extent  :)
[22:26] <oubiwann> hey guys, we'd like to get the divmod trac bug tracker added to the list of registered bug trackers
[22:26] <oubiwann> how do I go about doing that?
[22:45] <popey> what happens when you apply for a mailing list on launchpad? does a human review it in some way?
[22:53] <jcastro> popey: yep
[22:54] <jcastro> popey: if it's ubuntu related I decline it then mail you telling you to file an rt ticket instead.
[22:56] <popey> heh
[22:56] <popey> it is ubuntu related
[22:56] <popey> damnit
[22:57] <popey> I'll use an existing list for it jcastro, don't worry
[22:57] <jcastro> popey: declined. :D
[22:57] <popey> heh
[22:57] <popey> "Thanks"
[22:57] <jcastro> popey: if you send a mail to rt@ubuntu.com asking for one it's basically the same thing
[22:57] <popey> it comes to you?
[22:57] <popey> what's the lead time these days?
[22:57] <popey> *wink*
[22:57] <jcastro> there's an approval page
[22:57] <jcastro> oh, for the rt tickets
[22:57] <jcastro> heh
[22:58] <jcastro> you know what that answer is. :D
[22:58]  * popey whips jcastro