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jscinozhmm00:21
jscinozlooks like someone misspelled cache in the description of the packagekit packages :P00:22
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marnoldwrong*02:21
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Hobbseebah.  jono's gone04:32
ajmitchgiven the time, I'm not surprised04:33
Hobbseewell it was 7.36am local time of the ping04:35
ajmitchmaybe he looked at the thread on ubuntu-devel-discuss & gave up in despair04:37
ajmitchpoor nixternal, being a microvell shill04:37
ScottKIt was pretty ironic that he got singled out.04:43
ajmitchHe dared to defend opensuse04:44
ajmitchThat Mark Fink fellow does seem slightly irrational though04:44
ScottKFor some large definition of slightly, yes.04:45
persiaCould be a short definition too.  "very" works well.04:45
ajmitchwell, it provided some entertainment this morning when I sat down to read email :)04:46
jonoHobbsee: ping?04:57
ajmitchah, there he goes04:58
ajmitchHobbsee was around just 25 minutes ago05:00
LaserJockman, I wonder what power that pointy stick of doom holds that she can summon people half a world away ;-)05:01
ajmitchIt can even summon people from on vacation05:01
jonoheh05:01
persiaajmitch: Never underestimate the power of the Long Pointy Stick05:01
Hobbseejono: pong05:02
HobbseeLaserJock: hah.  it's very powerful.05:02
jonoHobbsee: :)05:02
* ScottK considers popcorn.05:02
ajmitchpersia: it's certainly scary, that's for sure05:03
Hobbseeajmitch: it's been known to almost set someone's house on fire, too05:04
ajmitchuh oh05:04
* ajmitch had better get home quick05:05
* imbrandon hides his flamable house05:09
Hobbseeimbrandon: you have an *in*flammible house?05:10
imbrandonnope the stick could bring its wrath down on it if wanted, thus i hid it05:11
ajmitchhello imbrandon05:12
imbrandonheya ajmitch05:12
* imbrandon replaced his xbox with ubuntu+xbmc :)05:12
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dholbachgood morning06:58
ajmitchhi dholbach07:01
dholbachhi ajmitch07:01
gesergood morning dholbach07:08
dholbachhi geser07:08
nxvlmorning!07:13
nxvldholbach: i was looking for you07:13
dholbachhi nxvl07:14
nxvldholbach: did you have the gobby document we use on the Packaging Jam on Prague?07:14
nxvli going to run some packaging Jams here07:14
nxvland i want to merge some docs07:14
dholbachnxvl: no I'm sorry - I didn't save it07:14
nxvlto prepare my material07:14
dholbachnxvl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn should be a good start though07:14
nxvlmm07:14
nxvldholbach: yes, i was looking at this doc, i just want some more for the examples07:15
dholbachnxvl: try fixing a bitesize bug07:15
nxvldholbach: yep, i will07:16
nxvlif i have time07:16
nxvlsince it's a conference i have been invited i don't know how much time i have07:16
nxvli'm going to have some sleep07:16
dholbachnxvl: I'm sure it's going to be great! :)07:16
nxvlsee you later!07:16
nxvldholbach: i hope!07:17
* dholbach hugs nxvl07:17
* nxvl HUGS dholbach back07:17
\shwhy nobody tells me, that I'm now a member of motu sru team?07:36
persia\sh: Well, you're supposed to be subscribed to ubuntu-motu@ ...07:37
\shpersia: it's monday morning...and I'm trying to catch up07:37
\sh:)07:37
\shhmm....08:04
\shI shouldn't read email in the morning...08:09
theseinfeldanybody up for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libdc1394-2208:12
theseinfeldrevu?08:13
theseinfeldanybody?08:15
theseinfeld:D08:15
* theseinfeld feeling anxious today...08:15
theseinfelddholbach? :)08:17
dholbachhiya theseinfeld08:18
theseinfeldlool LucidFox Hobbsee persia? It should be quite ready by now...08:18
theseinfeldhowdy ho :)08:18
theseinfeldhow is your monday morning dholbach :)08:18
dholbachtheseinfeld: fine, but quite busy08:19
persiatheseinfeld: Why ping us?08:19
Hobbseetheseinfeld: ?08:19
theseinfelddamn, mine is quite quiet :) dholbach. Well, I guess I can wait for a better morning :)08:19
theseinfeldYou were reviewing the package earlier... Thought to give it a try since is there, dead since the feature freeze :)08:20
LucidFoxhello theseinfeld08:20
theseinfeldhell o LucidFox08:20
LucidFoxI'll review your package when I have some free time - which I currently don't have, sorry08:20
theseinfeldok08:21
* Hobbsee doesn't recall reviewing it, per se.08:21
* theseinfeld might be wrong. He must recall the name from some other things...08:22
persiatheseinfeld: I still don't see the point of parallel source packages, especially for a new cycle.08:23
theseinfeldit was well explained...08:23
theseinfeldbasically, to put it short, until we get all the rdeps to change to new one, we have to use both08:24
theseinfeldthere are big packages like mplayer and blender08:24
theseinfeldI don't think I can get those guys to change the dependency to the new API in one increment :)08:25
* theseinfeld wonders as persia08:26
theseinfeldperisia, you in Tokyo?08:26
* lool waves08:26
persia_theseinfeld: The point is that for intrepid, there's absolutely no value to releasing in the middle of a transition.  Just push the updated API with the new binary package name, and rebuild all the rdepends.08:27
persia_For Hardy, it made some sense, as the package was being discussed late in the cycle.08:27
theseinfeldit will not work08:28
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theseinfeldthe rdepends08:28
theseinfeldto rebuild08:28
theseinfeldit has a different API08:28
theseinfeldABI08:28
theseinfeldeverything is changed in the new package08:28
theseinfeldwell, almost08:28
theseinfeldso...08:28
persiatheseinfeld: Right, so we port it.08:28
theseinfeldI have no power to rebuild all the rdepends08:29
theseinfeld:D08:29
theseinfeldand the idea was to have them both working together08:29
persiatheseinfeld: As much as you have power to include a package.08:29
theseinfeldthe new one will work later also with the Juju stack in the kernel08:29
persiaRight, so let's just use the new one08:29
* persia wants more juju08:29
theseinfeldit is like saying lets just use KDE408:30
theseinfeldyou still can go one round in parallel08:30
persiatheseinfeld: Right, and for intrepid, we are saying that.08:30
theseinfeldyes, persia, it was quite an effort to get it run in parallel08:30
persiaI guess they could be in parallel.  I just don't see the point.08:31
theseinfeldLOL08:31
theseinfeldthe point is that we cannot just take the old one yet08:31
* Hobbsee beats persia with a stick.08:31
persiaOK.  When you introduce a source package for a library with changed binary package names, the rdepends show on NBS.08:31
Hobbseepersia: now you're green.  stop it.  go back to light blue.08:31
persiaThen, it just takes clearing NBS.08:32
persiaHobbsee: I can be any color I want!08:32
Hobbseepersia: no you can't!08:32
* Hobbsee gets out the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™08:32
persiatheseinfeld: As proof of concept, try the rdepends builds in a PPA.  I suspect that the failures ought be easy to clean.08:32
persiaFurther, I'd rather consider them bugs.  We still ship wx2.4, which is unfixable outside en_US, as a result of trying to have things in parallel.08:33
Hobbsee\o/.  persia is now light blue again.08:33
* persia is *always* in awe of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™08:33
Hobbseehehe08:34
* theseinfeld is confused...so which colour is the package then?08:34
persiatheseinfeld: packages don't have colours, although they may be components of flavours08:35
theseinfeldLOL08:35
theseinfeldseriously, persia, I don't think there is going to be easy way with rdepends as the library is completely rewritten. I mean, there are different headers, different API, different functions, structures08:36
theseinfeldI can try, and if it fails :)08:36
theseinfeldthen, what do I get?08:36
theseinfeldpersia, what is the price? Can I be yellow :)08:37
dave_interested in MOTU!08:37
persiadave_: What do you like to do?08:37
dave_Beryl-Compiz08:37
persiatheseinfeld: Sure.  It requires porting some apps.  Why not do it between now and September?08:37
persiadave_: Hmm.  I didn't think we shipped that anymore.  How about just compiz?08:38
dave_Have no Idea were to start! Kinda of a newbie.08:38
dave_I find Beryl easier to use. Have Issues getting compiz to work well!08:39
persiadave_: Well, MOTU is resposible for the Universe and Multiverse repositories.  With the help of about 300 other people (of which you could be one), we try to fix all the outstanding bugs, handle library transitions, ensure everything can install, and generally keep the software up-to-date.08:39
theseinfeldpersia, did you check that debian has it like this?08:39
theseinfeldhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/libdc1394-2208:39
persiahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing has some hints to get you started.  Basically, pick a package, fix it, and get it into the repos.  Then find another package.08:40
dave_Ok i'll give that a try thanks!08:40
theseinfeldmaybe dave_ could do the blender with libdc1394-2208:40
theseinfeld:D08:40
persiatheseinfeld: I didn't.  I still don't agree it should be a separate source package.  Further, if Debian has it like that, I don't see any point to something on REVU: hasn't it already been sync'd from Debian?08:40
theseinfeldnope08:41
theseinfeldit was not sync'ed as they got it a bit wrong, and since I couldn't get it through to them, I wanted to get through to ubuntu08:41
* persia looks at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22 , and doesn't trust that assertion.08:42
persiaMind you, I still think it's wrong, but that argument is apparently already lost...08:42
theseinfeldso, all my effort is gone the drains?08:43
* theseinfeld is totally confussed now...08:43
persiatheseinfeld: Submit a patch against the current libdc1394-22 in intrepid.08:45
theseinfeldwhere to? persia08:47
persiatheseinfeld: If you want to implement a change, submit a patch against the current package in intrepid.08:48
theseinfeldto the libdc1394 project?08:48
persiaTo a bug in launchpad against the libdc1394-22 source08:48
theseinfeldall righty then08:48
persiaFor best chance of success, submit the patch in debdiff format against an update, and subscribe the universe sponsors.08:49
devfilanyone can review a package on REVU?08:49
persiadevfil: Anyone can review a package, but not everyone can advocate.08:49
devfilSomeone can review and advocate a package in REVU?08:51
persiadevfil: If you're seeking review, best to include the URL to the package, and the number of current advocates.08:52
devfilpersia: I wrote bad08:52
persiadevfil: No worries :)08:52
devfilpersia: is a new package08:52
devfilhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium08:52
theseinfeldpersia, can you help me with the debdiff bug reporting?09:08
persiatheseinfeld: What sort of help do you require?09:09
theseinfeldok09:09
theseinfeldso, I am the maintainer in launchpad for the libdc1394 project which is related to the libdc139409:09
theseinfeldnow09:09
theseinfeldreport bug, what do I fill there to get into the right place for the source?09:10
theseinfeldlike, https://edge.launchpad.net/libdc1394/+filebug-advanced09:10
persiaYou want soemthing like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22/+filebug-advanced.09:10
persiaIt's important that it gets filed against the Ubuntu project if you want to change something in Ubuntu, and important that you use the correct source name (as we have this split, especially designed to support lazy upstreams)09:11
theseinfeldit won't be lazy if I am in09:12
theseinfeld:D09:12
theseinfelddo I need any tags there?09:12
persiatheseinfeld: Not specifically you, but all the various applications for whom porting will now not be RC for intrepid, as the old API is still available.09:13
theseinfeldpersia, you mean rdepends?09:15
persiatheseinfeld: precisely09:15
theseinfeldapt-cache rdepends libdc1394-13, persia, to be more prcise, for the old library and not for the new -22 library09:16
persiatheseinfeld: It doesn't matter, as we have two source packages.  I'd like to see libdc1394-13 dropped, end encourage anything towards that goal.09:16
theseinfeldok, so it is better to include every old rdepends to get people acknowledge the new upstream API09:18
persiatheseinfeld: For what?  Now I'm afraid I've confused you.09:19
theseinfeldfor the tags in the bug report09:19
theseinfeld:D09:19
persiaYou don't need any tags (I think)09:19
theseinfeldpersia, do you agree that I should put all the rdepends pkgs ?09:20
persiatheseinfeld: For what?09:20
theseinfeldOK09:20
theseinfeldno, I got it all wrong09:20
theseinfeldI asked if I need any tags and you answer something that left me think I should use the apps from rdepends09:20
theseinfeld;D09:20
* theseinfeld too fast...09:21
theseinfeldpersia, check this out: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22/+bug/23849209:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238492 in libdc1394-22 "Changes to allow better integration in Ubuntu" [Undecided,New]09:23
huatsmorning everyone09:23
persiatheseinfeld: 1) Possible improvements: describe the specific improvements from using the changes in the bug description, 2) try to find something a little more "in-between" for a candidate (as that's a massive diff, and some to no clear benefit (e.g. CDBS)09:26
theseinfeldpersia, you mean I should add those?09:28
persiatheseinfeld: I was thinking more in terms of modification than addition, but it would increase the chances that such a change would be accepted.09:29
theseinfeldadded some comments09:35
theseinfeldcheck again bug 23849209:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238492 in libdc1394-22 "Changes to allow better integration in Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23849209:35
theseinfeldpersia, have to go lunch...09:36
theseinfeldpersia see you after...09:36
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sistpoty|workhi folks09:57
\shmoins sistpoty|work09:58
sistpoty|workhi \sh09:58
devfilSomeone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium10:29
devfilSomeone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium10:43
persiadevfil: I'd encourage you not to ask about a given package more than once a day.10:47
persiaSome people use this as a criteria for packages to skip.10:47
devfilpersia: ok10:47
persiaAlso, be especially careful when there isn't much other traffic in the channel: some people mute parts/joins and so they see things as duplicate.10:47
sebnerpersia: I love and I hate you :P10:47
persiasebner: Then I'm doing things correctly :)  (cf. De Principatibus)10:49
sebnerpersia: hrhr. nexuiz \o/,  but less time for school ^^10:50
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theseinfeldpersia, I am back...11:20
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\shguys, is anyone familiar with ggz and especially ggz-config?12:26
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devfilSomeone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium13:16
x_dimitriHi guys, I'm an ubuntu enthusiast and would like to get involved with ubuntu as a contributing developer. I have read the docs on wiki.ubuntu.com and would like practical advice on skills to master (programming language(s), paradigms, e.t.c, - anything you deem useful/important) in order to get involved. What say ye?13:25
persiax_dimitri: It really depends on what you want to do.13:26
persiaIf you want to maintain packages, the best skills to develop are make and shell.13:26
persiaBeyond that familiarity with any and all programming languages is beneficial.13:26
persiaAs is an understanding of how the various bits fit together into the whole.13:27
persiaAs a way to get started, I'd recommend looking through triaged bugs.  When you find one you understand, develop a solution.  After a few of these, the answers you get here, and the things you research towards a solution will probably help guide your next bug.13:28
x_dimitripersia: ok...13:29
persiax_dimitri: Good luck, and please ask if you have any questions.  We're generally glad to help, although more likely to provide pointers to things than actually explain them.13:29
x_dimitripersia: yup, I noticed that13:30
x_dimitriI guess go through the wiki again, but what I seem to understand so far, is that bug reporting is the only way in... i.e. as an Ubuntero..13:31
x_dimitriis that correct?13:31
joaopintoyou can report bugs, fix bugs, update packages, etc13:32
x_dimitrijoaopinto: it appears there's different levels of involvement: ubuntero, motu, e.t.c13:35
persiax_dimitri: There are different levels of involvement, but aside from "Ubuntero", all are granted as recognition of past work done.13:38
persiaThe first step is to declare yourself bound by the code of conduct, and beholden to the Community Council (Ubuntero).13:38
persiaThat done, you are welcome to do anything, and if you do it well, your work will become part of Ubuntu.13:38
persiaWith a body of well-done work, you may be granted additional roles or titles.13:38
x_dimitripersia: ok, thank you13:42
x_dimitriHow is that declaration done? I didn't find any web-based means to do this (a form maybe). There was a document that was meant to be downloaded... Could you point me in the right direction?13:43
persiax_dimitri: Download and sign the Code of Conduct from your launchpad account.  Be sure that you take care to keep your GPG key once you've done so, as GPG is used for authentication in a number of places.13:44
x_dimitripersia: ok, thank you.13:48
* ScottK suggests reading it before you sign it.13:48
ScottK;-)13:48
x_dimitriScottK: :-)13:49
mouzI fixed bug 198292. Would anyone like to sponsor it as an update? I posted the debdiff in launchpad.13:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 198292 in motion "Hardy upgrade - motion halts upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19829213:55
persiamouz: Generally it's best practice to attach debdiffs for both the current development release and an SRU candidate.  I'd recommend ubuntu0.1 for hardy and ubuntu1 for intrepid: beyond that the fix ought be essentially the same.14:03
persiaAlso, motu-sry has yet to indicate whether this patch is acceptable for upload.  Until that happens, it will not be uploaded to hardy-proposed.14:03
leonelScottK: clamav 0.93.1   is out ...14:10
mouzpersia: ok thanks. I will create those.14:14
popeyif I do "apt-get build-dep firefox", and then later want to remove those build-deps, what apt incantation can i use?14:18
gnomefreakpopey: deborphan?14:24
gnomefreakthere is no apt removal for build-deps14:24
\shgrmpf..14:24
\shhas anyone problems with mono on intrepid?14:25
\shlooks like mono is somehow b0rked14:25
popeyhmm, thats a shame14:26
gnomefreakpopey: i have seen them show up in autoremove but i dont remember what triggers it14:30
gnomefreak\sh: mono is used system wide can you give an example?14:31
gnomefreakpopey: pbuilder IIRC removes them once package is done but i dont use pbuilder i use chroots14:32
popeyproblem is if you used neither, you have lots of build deps kicking around14:32
popeyand no way to identify / remove them easily14:32
gnomefreakmaybe removing *.dev14:33
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\shgnomefreak: I'm trying to build muine14:33
\shgnomefreak: and it failes because of not installable b-ds14:33
gnomefreakbut that is a long shot, and you should always use one or the other when building packages since there is no easy way to remove the clutter14:33
* \sh uses sbuild , as it's used by our buildds :)14:34
gnomefreak\sh: i havent tried to build anything with mono since most if not all mozilla apps dont use it14:34
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persiapopey: A recipe that works for me is to always use aptitude to install anything I want, and make everything else as automatically installed.  I only use apt-get for build-dep, so everything apt-get installed is automatically marked for removal next time I run aptitude.14:37
popeyhmm14:37
popeythats an idea14:37
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ScottKleonel: I saw.  Am about to look to see if there are any security fixes.14:51
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Hobbseenhandler: please turn off that away message14:53
nhandlerHobbsee, I think I disabled it now. It was an xchat setting14:54
Hobbseenhandler: yeah, i realised.14:54
Hobbseenhandler: thanks14:54
nhandlerHobbsee, np14:55
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ScottKleonel: One security fix.  Do you have time to work on it?15:15
leonelScottK: any cve ??15:18
ScottKleonel: Not that I can find.15:18
leonelok  I'll check that15:19
ScottKChangelog says fix possible memory access and they committed it at the same time as the release, so it's a security fix.15:19
leonellibclamav/petite.c: fix possible invalid memory access (bb#1000)15:20
leonelReported by Damian Put  <-- is this ??15:20
ScottKYes.15:21
ScottKThe bug is also marked private in their bugzilla.15:21
leonelScottK: ok  I'll check it and see any diff with 0.9315:21
ScottKleonel: I've looked at the source already15:21
ScottKleonel: If you diff libclamav/petite.c between 0.93 and 0.93.1 you'll get a diff that looks like it will apply cleanly to our 0.92.1 package.15:22
leonelperfect !15:22
leonelScottK:  I'll start workin on in in 2 hours   it's ok with you ??15:23
ScottKleonel: Yes.15:24
ScottKleonel: I'll file a bug for you to work on.15:31
leonelScottK: ok15:31
ScottKleonel: Bug #238575 - The diff is in the bug, it just needs to be packages for each release.15:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 238575 in clamav "Possible invalid memory access in versions before 0.93.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23857515:38
leonelScottK:  Thanks ..15:38
leonelI start in 2hours15:38
ScottKGreat.  I'm assigning it to you ....15:39
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loolslangasek: w00t16:10
loolslangasek: Any idea why virtualbox-ose-modules is built against -17 in intrepid instead of -16?16:10
loolI'm adding lpia support to it, but it wont build for me as there's no -17 kernel package in intrepid16:11
loolslangasek: Also, I'd be tempted to do the same in hardy-proposed if you don't mind :)16:12
lukehasnonameany idea when soren will be on? PS16:20
lukehasnonameer, dang, wrong channel.16:20
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norsettoTartePoireauxCra? TartePoireauxGras!?16:24
norsettoTartePoireauxCravattes!16:25
* ScottK doesn't know what norsetto is one, but he might like to have some of it.16:31
norsettoScottK: neah, I don't think you will like my version, huats one might be better16:32
* Hobbsee force feeds ScottK automatix.16:32
Hobbsee(3)16:32
huatsnorsetto: :)16:34
huatssorry guys for the change of nick :)16:34
huatsand it was TartePoireauxCrabe16:35
huats:)16:35
norsettohuats!!!16:38
huatsnorsetto !!!16:38
* ScottK gets ill and spews16:40
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bddebianHeya gang17:24
slangaseklool: er, no, I have no idea of anything wrt virtualbox-ose-modules in intrepid17:27
loolslangasek: Ok, ogra hinted me at you17:29
loolslangasek: Nevermind then; thanks17:29
ogralool, i thought i saw a conversation about vbox last week, apparently wrongly, sorry17:30
slangaseksure, I had a conversation with blueyed about vbox in hardy-proposed...17:30
ograyeah, thats what i meant17:31
ogralool was asking why he didnt do a -19 instead17:31
loolI'll go and fix vbox in intrepid then17:32
* sistpoty|work heads home... cya17:32
slangasekwell, neither -17 nor -19 is present in intrepid currently17:32
ograindeed17:33
slangasekso I don't know what the upload in intrepid is about at all17:33
ograenabling lpia17:33
ograwe cant use vbox for lpia at 800x480 bwithout the vbox video driver which is in the guest modules17:33
lagawhat's so special about lpia? is it different from i386?17:33
ograyes17:34
loologra: blueyed uploaded a new version to intrepid to move from -16 to -1717:34
loolBut -17 never made it to intrepid AFAIK17:34
ogralool, right and currently we have -1917:34
loolI noticed while adding lpia that it simply wouldn't build ATM17:34
loologra: That's hardy; intrepid still has -16 I think17:34
ograyou need to add lpia to the configure script17:34
ograits not an accepted arch without that hack17:34
ograwhich is all my patch does, changing control everywhere from s/i386/i386 lpia/ and adding lpia to the x86 list of arches17:36
loologra: I'm interested in that last part17:36
loolI also updated control and rules17:36
loolI'm looking at configure ATM, I also had a look at the modules/virtualbox-ose Makefile, but I didn't get where the arches came from17:37
lool(yet :)17:37
ogralool, line 25417:40
ogramust be: i[3456789]86|x86|i86pc|lpia)17:40
ogratrivial :)17:40
ograthe first part of that regex is pretty optimistic *grin*17:40
loologra: Well I checked this part and connected to my lpia Q1 and uname -m would return i68617:41
ogradpkg hands over lpia i think17:41
ograduring build17:41
loologra: BUILD_CPU=`uname -m` 2 lines above?17:41
ogranot sure which source you are using there17:42
ogramine as17:42
ograhas17:42
ogra BUILD_CPU=`dpkg --print-architecture`17:42
loologra: aha17:42
leonelI had my pbuilder on a gutsy install   that gutsy got upgraded to  hardy ..  the  pbuilder install ... was  moved to hardy  or is still for  gutsy ???17:42
ogra(not added by me)17:42
loologra: I'm looking at 1.5.6-dfsg-6ubuntu117:42
ograhmm17:43
ograsame here17:43
ografrom april 917:43
loologra: Oh, yours is probably patched17:43
loologra: Got it now17:43
loollala17:44
loologra: IMO it should be using dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_CPU instead of dpkg --architecture, what do you think?17:45
ograsounds good17:45
bluefoxicywhat the hell ass balls17:49
bluefoxicyif X gets killed you cannot log in again until you reboot17:49
laga#define killed17:49
bluefoxicyrm -rf /tmp doesn't fix it, neither does killall $(ps -e u | grep id -un | awk '{print $2}')17:50
bluefoxicylaga:  ctrl+alt+backspace, which happens fairly often by accident through confusion17:50
bluefoxicyi.e. switching virtual desktops, deciding to backspace over a character17:50
bluefoxicyI tried killing all the user's processes and removing all temporary files owned by the user to no end17:51
lagadoesnt happen here17:51
bluefoxicylaga:  ctrl+alt+bs doesn't kill X there?17:52
lagait does, but i can still login afterwards17:53
bluefoxicydoesn't let me in, I get a blank desktop with a white box in the top left with nothing in it17:53
bluefoxicyalso virtualbox seems to be unsupported <_<17:55
bluefoxicyits modules are in main for an old kernel, universe for a newer kernel, and not present for current o_o17:55
bluefoxicyoh, I'm on proposed, ok17:55
bluefoxicythe updated kernel (2.6.24-18, hardy-updates) still has a matching universe virtualbox driver though, instead of main17:57
bluefoxicythough, the 2.6.24-17 driver says it's in main but maintained by Ubuntu MOTU17:57
mouzpersia: about bug 198292. The version queued for the development release is patched in Debian for the same bug. So my reasoning is: it need not be patched for Ubuntu (for this bug). Am I right? Does that mean posting a debdiff for 1ubuntu0.1 suffices, or is there still a need for 2ubuntu1 then?18:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 198292 in motion "Hardy upgrade - motion halts upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19829218:20
jdstrandkees: so I was looking at getting mutt to help me with bug triage, and came acroos 'pipe-message'-- have you used it much with macros?18:28
keesjdstrand: to some extent, yeah.  I think the USN builder, for example, uses it.18:28
jdstrandkees: actually it does not18:29
keesoh?18:29
jdstrandkees: I was using it as an example, and then came across something that would be better18:29
keesah, you're right, i use "editor" to do the evilness18:29
jdstrandkees: with usn builder, you use a trick with the set editor18:29
jdstrandkees: check this out:18:29
jdstrandmacro index \cB "<pipe-message>~/ubuntu/security/scripts/lp-status<enter>"18:30
keescool, yeah18:30
jdstrandkees: that macro pipes the message (or tagged messages) to that command18:30
keesI have some really old stuff:18:30
keesmacro index \cu "<enter-command>unset wait_key\n<pipe-message>urlview\n<enter-command>set wait_key\n"18:30
jdstrandkees: yeah18:30
keesI think bdmurray has a ton of these kinds of things for doing his triage-via-email stuff18:30
jdstrandkees: what is nice is that I have a script called 'bug-status.py', so I then wrote lp-status to be http://paste.ubuntu.com/18838/18:32
jdstrandkees: this then outputs various stuff in mutt that I can use to start processing things18:33
jdstrandkees: anyhoo-- I knew you liked 'stupid mutt tricks' so thought I'd pass it along18:33
keesnice, yeah, thanks :)18:34
vbabiy-laptopHey guys are we going to to have the RC2 of firefox on Hardy or you guys waiting for the final?18:41
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ScottKvbabiy-laptop: #ubuntu-mozillateam would be a more likely place to get an answer to that question.19:15
vbabiy-laptopthanks ScottK19:21
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jdstrandkees: do you have a script for approving 'nominate for release' bugs?19:50
* jdstrand likes to glom onto kees' scripts19:50
nhandlerIs it really necessary to add the "patch" tag to a bug that you patch? Or is it sufficient to just check the box that says, "This attachment is a patch"?19:53
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jpdsnhandler: I think the patch tag is just to make searching easier.20:14
nhandlerjpds, Does that mean that it isn't a requirement. If that is the case, someone should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing.20:16
jpdsnhandler: I think you may wish to tag it, yeah20:18
nhandlerjpds, Ok, thanks.20:18
leleobhzwhat parameters i need to use in lintian to know a package is compilant?20:37
leleobhzand how can i open a itp bug?20:38
ScottKleleobhz: File a regular bug in Launchpad against Ubuntu and then tag it 'needs-packaging'.20:40
geserleleobhz: simply run lintian once on the source package and once on the generated debs, or simplified on the _<arch>.changes file from the build to check both20:41
leleobhzgeser: some special parameters20:42
leleobhzScottK: and can i send my package to repositories?20:42
leleobhzScottK: or must to use REVO?20:42
leleobhzgeser: only lintian .changes?20:42
leleobhzno parameters?20:42
ScottK!REVU | leleobhz20:43
ubottuleleobhz: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU20:43
ScottKThat's where you send it.20:43
geserleleobhz: I use normally no paramters, sometimes -i to get a more verbose output on warnings and errors20:43
leleobhzE: uniconvertor_1.1.2-1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file hardy20:43
leleobhzsomeone know how can i solve this?20:44
leleobhzScottK: ill file the but20:45
leleobhzbug20:45
geserleleobhz: for Ubuntu the version should end in -0ubuntu1 if the package (or that version) doesn't exist in Debian20:45
leleobhzScottK: need i redirect the bug for someone?20:45
geserbut I don't know if lintian knows about the Ubuntu versioning scheme and will stop complaining after you fixed the version20:46
ScottKleleobhz: No.20:47
ScottKgeser: It does.20:47
RainCTgeser: I think lintian recognizes the -Xubuntu1 as Ubuntu distribution, but  I might be wrong though20:47
leleobhzcan i send a package to revu to be fixed?20:47
leleobhzwell20:47
leleobhzdont recognized20:47
RainCTleleobhz: yes, just re-upload20:47
leleobhzRainCT: well, i think now i must to send the package because i cant think what more is wrong20:49
leleobhzcan i fix it latter and send to review?20:49
leleobhz(and what i need to do to put it on oficial repositories?)20:49
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neurobuntuhas anybody here used svn-buildpackage?20:59
keesjdstrand: don't have nominate script, no.  that might be kinda handy.21:01
leleobhzwell, my first almost-correct package uploaded!!!!21:03
neurobuntudoes anybody know of any nightly build utilities?21:03
leleobhzive uploaded a package that exists into revu, but in a old version21:07
leleobhzwhat can i do21:07
emgentheya21:09
mouzIf I fixed a bug for Hardy, but upstream fixes the same for Intrepid, no ubuntu patch is needed for Intrepid anymore, right?21:19
devfilmouz: right21:20
devfilSomeone can review galaxium package on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=galaxium21:28
geserdevfil: is it a mono app?21:38
devfilgeser: yes21:38
geserdevfil: are you aware of http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/21:38
geser?21:38
devfilgeser: ehm no, what I should do with cli policy?21:39
devfilgeser: put it in copyright?21:40
LaserJocksiretart: ping21:40
geserdevfil: not in copyright, but read and apply it to debian/rules21:41
geserdevfil: I'm not familiar with that sub-policy but I know that there is dh_clideps to automagically discover the dependencies on -cil packages21:42
geserdevfil: it might help you to package a mono application correctly21:42
leleobhzwhile compiling a package with cdbs and python, should i use 2.4 or 2.5 version?21:43
devfilgeser: thanks for the link21:43
geserleleobhz: what kind of python package? python app? python lib? python module?21:43
leleobhzapp21:44
leleobhzgeser: because pdebuilder try to compile the package with python2.4 but even with python-support and python2.4-dev  gcc dies saying have no Python.h21:44
geserleleobhz: the default python version (which is currently 2.5)21:44
leleobhzhmm21:45
geserleleobhz: gcc? so it's not pure python?21:45
leleobhzgeser: i think it isnt21:45
leleobhzgeser: if i use dpkg-buildpackage everything goes ok21:46
leleobhzbut using pdebuilder i got this problem21:46
geserleleobhz: then you're probably missing a build-dependency21:46
geserhow does your build-depends look like?21:46
leleobhzwell, its Python.h]21:46
leleobhzBuild-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), python2.4-dev, python-support, perl21:46
leleobhz(perl for pod2man)21:47
geserleleobhz: if possible try to build it once for python2.4 and once for python2.5 (i.e. all supported python-versions)21:48
geserbut if you have to choose one: python2.5 as this is the default21:48
leleobhzgeser: can i use both?21:48
geserin the first case (2.4 and 2.5) build depend on python-all-dev, in the second (2.5 only) on python2.5-dev21:49
geserleleobhz: yes, python modules use it to build for python2.4 and python2.521:49
leleobhzgeser: another. im packaging a package yet archived on revu..21:49
leleobhzgeser: but ive found this after upload21:49
chaos386hi there, is this the right place to report a package dependency issue?21:50
leleobhz(but im using cdbs and the original normal build)21:50
leleobhzgeser: so, what i need to do?21:50
geserleleobhz: find someone who is more familiar with cdbs than me :)21:50
leleobhzgeser: my doubt is about the duplicity21:51
geserchaos386: bugs should be filed in Launchpad21:51
chaos386even if the fix is already known?21:52
geserleleobhz: if it only works for one version, then it's IMHO ok to build for only one version (e.g. it doesn't use different dirs for the compiled parts)21:52
norsettodevfil: package doesn't build for intrepid (probably not a fault of the package), tarball from get-orig-source and your tarball are different21:53
geserchaos386: mention the fix also in the bug21:53
chaos386geser: ok, thanks21:53
devfilnorsetto: I used get-orig-source to do the tarball21:53
norsettodevfil: well, try again because they do not match21:54
emgenthi norsetto :)21:54
norsettoemgent: 0/21:54
leleobhzgeser: well, my package ill be moderated right?21:55
leleobhzi need do more than send the source?21:55
norsettodevfil: most probably is just the compression level21:56
devfilnorsetto: there are other problems in the package?21:57
norsettodevfil: probably, I still haven't got past the build stage though ;-)21:57
norsettodevfil: which tar did you use?22:00
devfilnorsetto: czf22:00
norsettodevfil: I mean version22:00
devfilnorsetto: version of tar or the svn revision?22:01
norsettodevfil: tar version22:01
devfilnorsetto: 1.19-322:02
norsettodevfil: ok, this could explain it then, I used a different version22:03
norsettodevfil: what are the dll included with the tarball?22:05
devfilnorsetto: agsXMPP, Mono.Nat and ProxySocket22:06
norsettodevfil: yes, what are they?22:07
devfilnorsetto: I am not understanding22:07
geserleleobhz: you mean upload to REVU?22:08
norsettodevfil: are they needed for the package to work? where are the sources?22:08
leleobhzgeser: yeap22:08
geserleleobhz: there is no moderation22:08
devfilnorsetto: they are in dlls dir and yes, they are needed to work22:08
ScottKleonel: Debdiffs look good so far.  Why did you number the Dapper on dapper3 instead of dapper2ubuntu1 in line with what you did for the others?22:09
leleobhzgeser: but i need do more than this?22:09
geserhave you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ?22:09
norsettodevfil: and the sources? If you give no sources you can't use GPL as you did22:09
ajmitchhello22:09
gesergood night *22:11
devfilnorsetto: sources aren't in the package but there are some licenses about dlls22:11
norsettodevdil: also for this: docs/Extension paths.pdf22:11
norsettodevfil: then the package could go to multiverse but we need to check the licenses and they have to be added to copyright22:12
devfilnorsetto: ok, I'm going to add the licenze in copyright file22:12
leleobhzgeser: yep... its a little of unsure22:12
norsettodevfil: and this: build/libmimic.so22:13
devfilnorsetto: -.-' I'm going to kill me :P22:13
geserwhen your key is in the keyring on REVU then your upload should get automatically accepted and appear a few minutes later on the overview page22:13
norsettodevfil: also please check what is all the stuff under build, I don't think you install any of these themes tarballs?22:13
norsettodevfil: for so little? :-)22:14
devfilnorsetto: for you is a litte think, for me is a big problem22:14
devfilnorsetto: themes are installed22:14
leleobhzgeser: ok22:15
norsettodevfil: ok, perhaps it is worth making a separate package if they are relatively big22:15
devfilnorsetto: they aren't big22:16
devfilnorsetto: the package will be bigger only 1.9MB22:16
leleobhzE: uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu2_source.changes: checksum-mismatch-in-changes-file md5 uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu2.dsc22:17
leleobhzhow can i fix it?22:17
norsettodevfil: well, they add to 1 MB, this is big in my book22:17
devfilnorsetto: but I will need to change sources, themes are installed by sources22:18
norsettodevfil: no, just use proper install files and add another -themes package in control22:19
norsettodevfil: what is in these themes, is it just one theme or several?22:20
devfilnorsetto: is one theme22:20
devfilextra22:20
norsettodevfil: ok, then it makes sense to package it separately22:20
devfilnorsetto: "just use proper install files"... how?22:21
norsettodevfil: check man dh_install (and you need to add dh_install to the install target)22:22
devfilnorsetto: ahhh ok, dh_install to don't install in the main package and to install in themes package, sure22:23
norsettodevfil: I mean, binary-arch target22:23
norsettodevfil: since you do that also move the icon installation from rules (using cp) to install (using install file)22:24
norsettodevfil: and pls. add a desktop file22:25
devfilnorsetto: already exists...22:25
norsettodevfil: from upstream?22:25
devfilnorsetto: yes, desktop file and .png icon22:26
* norsetto checks it22:26
devfilnorsetto: it looks like good22:26
norsettodevfil: Application;Network;InstantMessaging misses a ; at the end22:28
devfilnorsetto: I will add a patch22:28
norsettodevfil: I think also application is not a good category22:29
norsettodevfil: and please re-edit the Comment so that its gnome HID compliant22:30
devfilnorsetto: GNOME;Network; ?22:30
leleobhzE: uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu3_i386.changes: checksum-mismatch-in-changes-file md5 uniconvertor_1.1.2-0ubuntu3.dsc22:30
leleobhzsomeone know why its doing this?22:30
devfilnorsetto: the comment?22:30
devfilI'm going to sleep22:33
devfilbye22:33
leonelScottK: the  dch -i did the  numbering   and all I've seen finish with  ubuntuX ...22:41
leonelScottK: working on Hardy22:41
ScottKleonel: Great.22:42
ScottKleonel: I think 2ubuntu1 is more correct for dapper22:42
leonelshould I redo the debdiff ?22:43
norsettonight all22:44
cody-somervilleScottK, Do you want to peer-review an SRU I just reviewed?22:59
lagajono: re severed fifth: it might be a good thing if you put a nice and short explanation of what your project actually _is_ somewhere accessible. your post to the planet doesn't explain it, the main page of the severed fifth website doesn't explain it either and i don't know if everyone really wants to read that very, very long news entry on the web site.23:14
lagajono: disclaimer: i've got a headache and i'm cranky, so i might have missed something :)23:14
Nightrose+1's that23:27

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