[01:36] <jjesse> evening
[01:40] <yuriy> evening jjesse
[01:40] <jjesse> hello yuriy, how are you?
[01:44] <yuriy> jjesse: doing well, (yay AC!) you?
[01:44] <jjesse> i enjoy AC as well... doing good enjoying a cup of coffee and getting caught up on the day
[01:44] <jjesse> been super super busy during the day
[01:46] <jjesse> i have no time during the day to spend any time on kubuntu/kde and so burtn out at night that i don't want to do anything but play city of heroes
[01:47] <yuriy> txwikinger: ping
[01:47] <txwikinger> yuriy: pong
[01:47]  * yuriy hasn't played video games in ages
[01:47] <jjesse> i have a group that plays every thursday night
[01:47] <jjesse> its fun with a group
[01:47] <yuriy> txwikinger: does apport actually work for KDE apps? (i'm looking at 236989 and a dupe of it)
[01:47] <jjesse> and it runs great under wine
[01:47] <yuriy> er bug 236989
[01:48] <txwikinger> yuriy: why not?
[01:49] <yuriy> *sigh* and the dupe is filed by the same person, again without apport
[01:50] <yuriy> txwikinger: I don't know why, but I didn't think it did
[01:50] <yuriy> it's turned off because KDE has it's own crash dialogs or something
[01:50] <txwikinger> Well.. if there is no crash file
[01:50] <txwikinger> but the particular has no information to help to debug the problem
[01:51] <yuriy> I was going to ask to install kdebase-dbg, kdebase-dbg-kde4, and libxine1-dbg and post a new backtrace
[01:51] <yuriy> I'm just not sure if apport actually is the way to go, I've been kind of forgetting/ignoring it most of the time
[01:52] <jjesse> does appoprt really work w/ kde crashes?  like if konqi crashes apport is supposed to fire up?
[01:52] <txwikinger> Well.. would be good if we have a unified response
[01:54] <txwikinger> I have a kde crash: _usr_lib_kde4_lib_kde4_libexec_klauncher.1000.crash
[01:54] <txwikinger> It probably does not have a good trace without the dbg libs, but I would say apport is just a mechanism to easily submit a crash file
[01:55] <yuriy> txwikinger: well in theory with apport you don't need a good trace. if you have a core dump it can retrace it
[01:55] <yuriy> txwikinger: how old is that crash file?
[01:55] <txwikinger> 4 days
[01:56] <yuriy> oh so it should work
[01:56] <yuriy> oh heh I have one of those too actually
[01:56] <txwikinger> Here is another one kdelibs5-dev.0.crash
[01:57] <txwikinger> from yesterday
[01:57] <txwikinger> Actually 3 hours old
[01:57] <yuriy> ok my bad then, you're right
[01:57] <yuriy> I should fix the reporting page I made last week then
[01:58] <yuriy> it still needs some work anyway
[01:58] <yuriy> txwikinger: talking about https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[01:59] <txwikinger> cool
[02:01] <yuriy> txwikinger: still not sure though. I know I've had kwin crash today for example and there's no crash file for that
[02:01] <jjesse> anyone getting a wierd message from firefox when trying to access the kubuntu wiki?
[02:01] <txwikinger> well I would hope we could get that going somehow
[02:03]  * yuriy will poke Riddell about it some more, then will bug bdmurray if he doesn't know
[02:04] <txwikinger> jjesse: no
[02:05] <yuriy> kernel update time
[02:06] <jjesse> txwikinger: getting a message about assertion failed
[02:07] <jjesse> searh: _installLocation: engine has no file!
[02:07] <jjesse> search: _installLocation: enginer has no file
[02:07] <jjesse> and then a stack trace
[02:07] <txwikinger> nice
[02:07] <jjesse> i get it on help.ubuntu.com , wiki.kubuntu.org, wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <nixternal> oi oi
[02:22] <jjesse> oi oi back
[02:22] <jjesse> nixternal: you sure have caused problems you microsoft lover ;)
[02:23] <nixternal> woohoo
[02:36] <jjesse> can someone take a look at bug #149983 and respond on what is going on?
[02:40] <jjesse> ok this is frustrating on my kubuntu 8.04 remix install whenever i right click on something in firefox i am getting an error message, i can't add anything as a bookmark or use any of the short cut keys
[02:42] <yuriy> jjesse: since the upgrade to rc1?
[02:43] <jjesse> yuriy: yes sir
[02:48] <yuriy> jjesse: might want to file a bug about it http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/136-Firefox-3-RC1-released-to-hardy-updates.html
[02:54] <Jucato> where's the microvell shill?
[02:56] <jjesse> you mean nixternal
[03:02] <Jucato> yeah :)
[03:02] <Jucato> the one and only
[03:03] <nixternal> sitting right here with my foot extended to your arse :P
[03:03] <nixternal> encrypting my hard drive
[03:04] <nixternal> gotta use evolution which sucks
[03:10] <jjesse> how was your first day at werk?
[03:10] <Jucato> that doesn't evoke a very nice image :)
[03:10] <Jucato> oh he has work?
[03:10] <Jucato> I better not bother him
[03:10] <Jucato> much :)
[03:11] <jjesse> he is suppsed to be starting his new jobtoday
[03:11] <jjesse> hrmm bed time i think be back on tomorrow
[03:11] <Jucato> you "think"? O.o
[03:20] <nixternal> way to much work!
[03:20] <nixternal> ya, started today...setting up the work lappy with Kubuntu now
[03:20] <nixternal> encrypting the drives, installing evolution (ewww) so I can use exchange server bs
[03:21] <Jucato> ha ha ha
[09:43] <Riddell> morning
[09:44] <jussi01> morning Riddell
[09:44]  * jussi01 is getting annoyed at kde4 settings not being persistant...
[09:44] <etretyak> Hi Riddell, jussi01
[09:44] <jussi01> heya etretyak
[09:46] <etretyak> Riddell: I've selected "mount config" and "system config printer". Is it ok?
[09:46] <clau30> hey, activity in the channel :D
[09:46] <Nightrose> morning everyone :)
[09:47] <jussi01> hi Nightrose
[09:47] <jussi01> So can anyone else confirm not having persistance on settings in kde4?
[09:48] <clau30> what do you mean jussi01?
[09:48] <clau30> kde4 is in development still :P
[09:49] <jussi01> clau30: for example: I go to system settings - appearance - colours and check the apply to non kde4 apps, click apply, then close system settings. reopen - boom, gone
[09:49] <jussi01> clau30: I know - just wanting to confirm the bug before I put it up - check that its not something I borked
[09:50] <clau30> jussi01: ah, that kind of stuff.. I haven't noticed that, sorry
[09:50] <Nightrose> jussi01: same here
[09:50] <Riddell> etretyak: groovy
[09:50]  * jussi01 owns the #kubuntu-kde4 channel - he should know its in development :P
[09:50] <jussi01> Nightrose: great, so its not just me :)
[09:50] <clau30> I noticed though that I have to start yakuake every time I login, and the settings are not saved (i.e. they are the default ones every time)
[09:50] <Nightrose> jussi01: hehe nope
[09:50] <Riddell> etretyak: the problem with mount config is there's no way to embed a pykde 4 app into system settings
[09:51] <Nightrose> and klipper refuses to autostart here it seems
[09:51] <Riddell> etretyak: Sime says it shouldn't be hard to make one though
[09:51] <clau30> jussi01: it was just a pun ;)
[09:51] <jussi01> :D
[09:51] <Riddell> etretyak: system config printer is just a big app, not hugely complex, just lots of it
[09:52] <clau30> anyway, I was looking at the TODO: ensure KMilo functionality and thought if I could help there. I get frustrated because none of my laptop special keys work (brightness, volume...)
[09:55] <Riddell> clau30: that's a fiddly thing to fix everywhere
[09:55] <Riddell> clau30: did they work in KDE 3?
[09:56] <clau30> Riddell: volume did
[09:57] <Riddell> clau30: there's no kmilo in kde 4, instead we need the same X keysym to key mapping as kmilo had
[09:57] <clau30> Riddell: and brightness only the hardcore way: echo -n 50 > /proc/acpit...
[09:57] <Riddell> plus the individual apps (e.g. kmix) acting on the keys
[09:58] <clau30> so is there any work done? and if it's not kmilo, where is the code? :)
[10:00] <etretyak> Riddell: Also I think that task statuses None/WIP/Complete is not enough.  I want to create more detailed plans for my tasks.. I mean -- what I need to do to get things works, how I want to implement this, and so on.. So everyone (and you of course) can see how is it going.. if there is some problem with something, and so on..
[10:00] <Riddell> etretyak: please do
[10:01] <Riddell> clau30: the keys to real keys bit (just a mapping file and something to run it) can be moved to kdelibs
[10:01] <Riddell> clau30: the rest to kmix, guidance-power-manager
[10:01] <Riddell> amarok for music keys
[10:02] <clau30> Riddell: I see..
[10:02] <clau30> Riddell: so there's nothing done yet.. :)
[10:10] <Nightrose> etretyak: why not make a seperate wiki page and link to that?
[10:10] <etretyak> Nightrose: yes, I mean that
[10:10] <Nightrose> clau30: apachelogger mentioned some patches recently IIRC - you might want to talk to him
[10:11] <clau30> oh cool, thanks Nightrose
[10:11] <Nightrose> no prob - and cool that you want to work on it :)
[10:12] <clau30> I hope I'm not to dumb to do that :D
[10:13] <Nightrose> heh nah - and if you need help please ask here
[10:13] <clau30> will do..
[10:20] <xt> gahhhhhh - konsole redrawing bug so annoying
[11:45] <Riddell> etretyak: nosrednaekim was thinking about mountconfig too
[11:46] <etretyak> Riddell: not a problem.. I can take user config
[11:47] <etretyak> or just start with system printer settings..
[11:52] <nixternal> mornin'
[11:53] <etretyak> hello nixternal!
[13:49] <jjesse_> good good morning
[13:51] <jjesse_> wow laptop is running slow
[14:01] <clau30> jjesse_: get a new one :P
[14:40] <\sh> Riddell: do you happen to know why KXmlGuiWindow doesn't find a relative appnameui.rc file? it tries to always look somewhere in the global directories...(kde4)
[14:48] <Riddell> \sh: can't say I do
[14:58] <nixternal> mornin' again
[14:58] <yuriy> morning
[15:01] <\sh> apachelogger: es sieht so aus, als ob quassel gerade auf cmake geswitched ist :)
[15:56] <\sh> nixternal: would you like to add python-qt+python-kde4 for kde4.1beta ppa packages?
[15:58] <jjesse_> of course he would :)
[16:18] <mendred> hi in the kde 4.1 beta 1 packages for hardy, is there any package containing kwin debugging symbols?
[16:20] <stdin> mendred: you probably want kdebase-workspace-dbg
[16:20] <yuriy> mendred: it should be kdebase-workspace-dbg but I don't know if the 4.1 packages are different in any way
[16:20] <mendred> thanks stdin,yuriy
[17:35] <yuriy> Riddell: is apport supposed to work for KDE apps once it's enabled in /etc/default/apport ?
[17:37] <Riddell> yuriy: not usually, KDE apps have their own crash handler
[17:50] <yuriy> Riddell: well, yes, but no .crash files generated at all?
[17:51] <yuriy> txwikinger and I have a /var/crash/_usr_lib_kde4_lib_kde4_libexec_klauncher.1000.crash but I have nothing else so it's inconsistent
[17:54] <Riddell> yuriy: since the crash will be handled by kcrash it's unlikely to be passed back to linux, so apport won't touch it
[17:54] <Riddell> unless kcrash misses it, which can happen
[17:55] <jjesse> i wonder if it is a little wierd using kubuntu fullscreen in a virutal machine with vista as the host operating system
[17:56] <yuriy> Riddell: ah. txwikinger ^
[17:56] <jjesse> rdp'ing into a windows 2003 server
[18:03] <santiago-ve> err... guys a small noobie question... after any package builds on pbuilder, what's the next step... generate the diff and .dsc files?
[18:05] <Riddell> santiago-ve: you should already have a diff and dsc (else what did you tell pbuilder to build?)
[18:05] <Riddell> santiago-ve: pbuilder will put the .deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[18:05] <Riddell> install it and check it runs
[18:05] <Riddell> run lintian over it
[18:05] <Riddell> if there's no problems, upload your source package to revu and ask people to look at it
[18:09]  * santiago-ve sees like 3 different .debs xD
[18:09] <santiago-ve> Riddell, thanks
[18:23] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[18:25] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: she's away as far as I know
[18:48] <apachelogger> \sh: yeah, sput and I talked about that the other day
[19:19] <\sh> nixternal: building backports for python-qt4/sip4/python-kde4 for kde4.1beta ppa packages..
[19:23] <jjesse> is nixternal actually here or just hiding?
[19:23] <Riddell> he's probably hard at work
[19:24] <\sh> Riddell: ah well...when I have a running version, you could upload to the ppa then :)
[19:24] <\sh> tried to compile latest pykde4 from kdebindings trunk...no fun
[19:26] <Riddell> \sh: added you to ~kubuntu-members-kde4, upload when you want
[19:32] <nixternal> yay, building RPMs rocks!
[19:32]  * nixternal pukes
[19:33] <\sh> Riddell: thx
[19:33] <\sh> hey there he is :)
[19:33] <jjesse> nixternal: shouldn't you be werking?
[19:33] <nixternal> I am working
[19:34] <nixternal> I am in the process of developing a buntu based appliance, as that will be so much easier to manage
[19:35] <\sh> nixternal: with RPMs? ;)
[19:36] <nixternal> no, we maintain an appliance built on CentOS
[19:36] <\sh> bah...I hate konversation not conforming to the standards.../away <reason> -> sets you away, /away without a reason sets you not away...but konversation is using /back wtf
[19:36] <nixternal> sudo yum check-update && sudo yum update
[19:37] <\sh> nixternal: use smart ;)
[19:37] <nixternal> no, use apt!
[19:37] <nixternal> sudo apt-get --purge remove *RPM
[19:40] <\sh> *eg*
[19:52] <\sh> Sime: what needs to be done to get pykde4 in kde trunk back into usable shape?
[19:58] <ScottK> \sh: If you want something useful to do, there is a need to teach python-kde3 to live and function without libkonsolepart.so from KDE3.
[20:00] <\sh> ScottK: yuck
[20:01] <\sh> isn't libkonsolepart part of kdeui?
[20:01] <\sh> or kdebase?
[20:02] <yuriy> I haven't heard of check-update but I think yum update always checks for updates (which is pretty obnoxious)
[20:03] <Sime> \sh: usable as in compiling and kind of working?
[20:03] <Sime> \sh: it should be in good-ish shape now already.
[20:04] <\sh> Sime: it's not building against trunk ;)
[20:04] <\sh> Sime: or did you commited some magic in the last 2 hours? :)
[20:04] <Sime> no
[20:04] <Sime> what's the problem?
[20:04] <\sh> or am I lacking of latest qscintilla...
[20:04] <Sime> qscintilla should not matter
[20:05] <Riddell> pykde was working fine last I tried, about 10 days ago
[20:05] <\sh> Sime: give me 5 and I can pastebin the bug
[20:07] <\sh> Sime: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19115/
[20:08] <\sh> -- Generating CPP code for module PyKDE4.knewstuff <- and bang...kmacroexpander screams ;)
[20:08] <\sh> kde* trunk was updated around 10am (UTC+2) this morning
[20:09] <\sh> (and compiled)
[20:10] <Arby> anybody merging kgraphviewer or can I take it?
[20:12] <Riddell> Arby: go for it
[20:12] <Arby> ok
[20:12] <Riddell> Arby: looks like there's a debian package, but quite old http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/branches/kde4/packages/kgraphviewer/
[20:12] <Riddell> and of course our one https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer-kde4
[20:12] <Arby> yep just looking at those
[20:13] <Arby> Riddell: would I be better with our package since it's newer?
[20:14] <Riddell> Arby: I expect so
[20:14] <\sh> ScottK: aehm..you mean that pykde3 should live without those funcs? http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/interfaces/html/classTerminalInterface.html ?
[20:14] <Riddell> Arby: drop the -kde4 and the 4: epoch version
[20:14] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[20:15] <\sh> Riddell: you did already try to patch those methods away from konsole_parts.sip?
[20:16] <Arby> Riddell: so kgraphviewer-2.0.2-kde4.0.80 becomes just kgraphviewer-2.0.2 ?
[20:17] <ScottK> \sh: What Riddell said.
[20:17] <Riddell> \sh: i've not tried anyth
[20:17] <Riddell> \sh: i've not tried anything
[20:17] <Riddell> Arby:
[20:17] <ScottK> \sh: This is why I said it needs doing ;-)
[20:17] <Riddell> kgraphviewer-kde4 4:2.2.2-0ubuntu1 becomes kgraphviewer-2.0.2-kde4.0.80
[20:18] <Arby> ah ok I see
[20:18] <Riddell> so drop our -kde4 name and pick up KDE's 2.0.2-kde4.0.80 version number
[20:19] <\sh> ScottK: ok..should be a nobrainer, but regarding the compile time ;)
[20:19] <Sime> \sh: my fault. I still need to bump the SIP and PyQt version checks up to 4.7.6 and 4.4.
[20:20] <\sh> Sime: np...I just saw the last commit was 17hours ago...so I thought something new came into kde*foo and pykde4 doesn't know anything about it :)
[20:21] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: not only is "kopete" the kde3 version of kopete, but it's only the dapper package. everything newer is "kdenetwork"
[20:21] <\sh> ScottK: I think dropping the setpty patch is included ;)
[20:21] <ScottK> Yes.  That's just the start though.
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: Ok, good to know.
[20:22] <\sh> ScottK: well, removing all configure magic for konsolepart .. and removing the methods from the source and not building anything regarding the konsoleparts stuff..shouldn't be that hard
[20:22] <ScottK> Excellent
[20:24] <\sh> ScottK: will do it tomorrow on my dual quad...that's much faster
[20:25] <\sh> right now, sip, pyqt4, pykde4 will be backported and uploaded to the ppa when it's finished and working
[20:35] <ScottK> \sh: Great.
[20:47] <smarter> wow, the new function of amarok2 middle panel is cool
[20:47] <jjesse> is amarok2 in the repos?
[20:48] <smarter> there's a PPA with it
[20:48] <jjesse> the daily build one rigth?
[20:48] <smarter> yep
[20:49] <DaSkreech> Neon
[20:49] <smarter> and it's smart too :)
[20:49] <DaSkreech> How?
[20:50] <smarter> when you add an album in the playlist, if there's already track from this album in the playlist, it doesn't add them a second time
[20:50] <DaSkreech> Hm
[20:50] <DaSkreech> wonder if I can override that
[21:04]  * Arby discovers the curse of working with a development version
[21:05] <Arby> I can't test build kgraphviewer because half the dependencies are missing
[21:05] <\sh> smarter: well, right now, the VA handling is crappy...
[21:07] <Arby> Riddell: any way around this http://paste.ubuntu.com/19129/ ?
[21:07] <Arby> or is this package impossible to merge at this time?
[21:07] <Arby> debuild fails due to missing dependencies and the dependencies are uninstallable
[21:08] <Arby> should I just do something else?
[21:09] <a|wen> Arby: are you using pbuilder?
[21:09] <Riddell> Arby: apt-get update
[21:09] <Riddell> kdepimlibs should be there
[21:09] <a|wen> Arby: if you do; try doing an update
[21:10] <Arby> a|wen: no this is a chroot not pbuilder
[21:10] <Arby> however update is probably the problem
[21:10] <\sh> damn
[21:10] <\sh> gre vs. swe 0:1
[21:11] <Riddell> sounds like organised sport
[21:11]  * Arby smacks himself upside the head for idicy
[21:11] <Arby> *idiocy
[21:11] <Arby> that looks better
[21:11] <DaSkreech> and bad speeling!!
[21:12] <Arby> yes, quite :)
[21:12] <Arby> nothing wrong with my spelling
[21:12] <Arby> but my typing is lousy :)
[21:15] <\sh> this is .... censored...I'll lose my bet...and have to buy beer for the guys in the office
[21:15] <DaSkreech> make it warm beer!
[21:24] <smarter> \sh: VA?
[21:24] <\sh> various artists
[21:25] <\sh> sip4-qt3_4.7.6-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 uploaded
[21:25] <Arby> Riddell: kgraphviewer builds successfully, remind me what files you need and where you'd like them
[21:26] <Mythor> what is a good place to look for python plasma development documentation other then techbase?
[21:26] <\sh> Mythor: techbase ;) or pykde4 website
[21:26] <\sh> Mythor: and in python-kde4-doc
[21:26] <\sh> (hopefully)
[21:27] <Sime> Mythor: pykde4 doesn't have anything to do with plasma.
[21:27] <Sime> Mythor: plasma+python is done separately by someone else.
[21:27] <Sime> Mythor: different code.
[21:27] <Riddell> Arby: debuild -S
[21:27] <Arby> Riddell: did that
[21:27] <Riddell> Arby: need the .orig .diff and .dsc
[21:27] <Riddell> copy to lichts is fine
[21:27] <\sh> Sime: is it this krosspython stuffß
[21:28] <Mythor> mayhaps im just not looking good but all the usefull stuf on techbase using python and plasma is based on superkaramba
[21:28] <Arby> Riddell: I seem to be missing the .diff ???
[21:28] <Arby> curious
[21:28] <Sime> \sh: krosspython is for embedding and scripting with python inside C++ apps
[21:28] <Riddell> Arby: no .diff.gz?  has it made a .tar.gz instead?
[21:28] <Arby> there's a .tar.gz yes
[21:29] <Sime> Mythor: someone on the plasma channel should be able to point you in the right direction.
[21:29] <Riddell> Arby: something is wrong in the naming or numbering
[21:29] <Mythor> Sime: will try, tnx
[21:29] <Riddell> Arby: what's the .orig called?
[21:29] <Arby> Riddell: kgraphviewer-kde4_2.0.orig.tar.gz
[21:30] <Arby> which came from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kgraphviewer-kde4/4:2.0-0ubuntu3
[21:30] <Arby> I ended up with kgraphviewer-kde4_2.0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[21:30] <Riddell> Arby: drop the -kde4
[21:30] <Arby> right
[21:32] <Riddell> Arby: should be kgraphviewer_2.0.2-kde4.0.80.orig.tar.gz
[21:32] <Arby> ok, got confused by kde4 before and after version number sorry
[21:33] <Arby> too many files
[21:33] <Riddell> it's in the version number
[21:33] <Riddell> and out the name
[21:33] <Riddell> you'll need to change the first line of changelog and control too
[21:34] <Arby> ok
[21:35] <Arby> what about Package in control does that drop -kde4 as well
[21:39] <jussi01> Can someone remind me how to find modules to modprobe? is there a list somewhere?
[21:43] <a|wen> jussi01: modprobe -l ... probably not the best way, but works
[21:43] <jussi01> It seems a module has been removed or changed since 6.10 so Im screwed I think
[21:44] <jussi01> aparently there used to be a via-velocityget module :/
[21:45] <smarter> modinfo
[21:45] <smarter> hmm, probably not what you meant, sorry
[21:46] <jussi01> smarter: thats a gelpful thing toknow though, thanks
[21:46] <smarter> your welcome ;)
[21:59] <Riddell> Arby: yes
[22:02] <Arby> Riddell: I still have something messed up in the naming scheme http://paste.ubuntu.com/19140/
[22:02] <Arby> still not getting a .diff
[22:02] <\sh> sip4, pyqt4 uploaded to ppa...one to go
[22:03] <a|wen> Arby: the .orig need to be kgraphviewer-2.0.2-kde4.0.80.orig.tar.gz (- instead of _)
[22:03] <Arby> doh!
[22:05] <Arby> a|wen: that doesn't seem to help
[22:06]  * a|wen shakes himself awake
[22:06] <a|wen> Arby: kgraphviewer-2.0.2.orig.tar.gz of course
[22:07] <Arby> testing
[22:07] <\sh> Riddell: why did you sold us a 4.0.2 pykde4 version as 4.0.3? ;)
[22:09] <Arby> a|wen: hooray kgraphviewer_2.0.2.orig.tar.gz got it in the end :) thanks
[22:10] <a|wen> Arby: yay :)
[22:11] <\sh> Sime: did you add extra/kde3930/* because you tweaked configure.py to work with latest kdesvn?
[22:12] <Sime> \sh: I haven't tweaked configure.py and extra/* should probably be removed. Use cmake.
[22:14] <\sh> Sime: I have to recompile 4.0.2 package from ubuntu :) and  I have to force configure.py to just pass through
[22:15] <Sime> \sh: I haven't tried configure.py on kde trunk. I'll probably remove it.
[22:15] <\sh> hmm..if I read it correctly...0x50000 will now match KDE_4_0_80 ;)
[22:16] <Arby> Riddell: kgraphviewer files are on lichts
[22:16]  * Arby grabs something else to merge
[22:16] <\sh> cmake is just too easy..I think we should introduce autofoo to pykde et al
[22:20] <Riddell> Arby: it should keep the kde4 in the version number
[22:20] <\sh> ok..one bug down...
[22:20] <\sh> tomorrow it should be fixed..now to bed :)
[22:20] <Riddell> Arby: I think it doesn't like the dash since that makes it think it's part of the packging version rather than upstream
[22:21] <Arby> Riddell: ok I'll fix it
[22:21] <Riddell> Arby: can you make it 2.0.2kde4.0.80 ?
[22:21] <Riddell> as the upstream number, so in the .orig
[22:21] <Arby> I can try
[22:21] <Riddell> making the full version 2.0.2-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1
[22:22] <Riddell> Arby: and drop the 4: epich
[22:22] <Riddell> epoch
[22:22] <Riddell> that's not needed
[22:22] <Arby> Riddell: drop the 4: from where?
[22:24] <yuriy> I wonder how it got to epoch 4 in the first place
[22:25] <yuriy> Riddell: how come the 4: epoch is still there for hardy kde4 packages?
[22:27] <Riddell> Arby: from the version in debian/changelog
[22:27] <Arby> ok
[22:27] <Riddell> yuriy: for consistency, it'll always be there for the packages which follow KDE's versions
[22:28] <Riddell> if you look at the bottom of the kdelibs changelog you can see how the versioning got screwed up, chap called stephan kulow to blame :)
[22:34] <Arby> Riddell: changing to kgraphviewer-2.0.2-kde4.0.80.orig.tar.gz fails to produce the diff again
[22:34] <Arby> I've tried kgraphviewer_ as well
[22:35] <Arby> and with or without the - before kde4
[22:35] <Riddell> Arby: it's getting confused by the dash
[22:35] <Riddell> kgraphviewer_2.0.2kde4.0.80.orig.tar.gz
[22:36] <Riddell> and changelog version of 2.0.2kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Woah
[22:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: When you get a chance, could you look at bug 230830 please? :)
[22:37] <DaSkreech> Debian is moving /bin/sh to dash ?
[22:37]  * ryanakca thought Debian's /bin/sh has pointed to dash for ages...
[22:38]  * Arby sighs
[22:39] <Arby> at last, that must be the only combination i didn't try
[22:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: ooh sure, will do in a minute
[22:41] <Riddell> Arby: phew, I think I led you down some wrong answers there with those pesky dashes
[22:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks :)
[22:44] <Arby> Riddell: new files on lichts
[22:45] <Arby> that's about all I can manage until the weekend now. no tie
[22:45] <Arby> *time
[22:50] <genii> Whoever fixed the kdm-kde4 nonexistent background image issue, thanks :)
[22:51] <Riddell> I expect it was ossi
[22:52] <genii> Nice work, anyhow. It was bothering me for a while now
[23:14] <stdin> anyone good with PyQt4? I'm getting an error I have no clue how to fix: RuntimeError: underlying C/C++ object has been deleted
[23:18] <Riddell> stdin: there's various ways you can make it error like that, most of them fiddly, you'd need to show us your code
[23:22] <stdin> Riddell: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m5e813252
[23:23] <stdin> I've messed with it a lot trying to figure out what's causing the error, so it's messier that it should be
[23:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: kmplayer uploaded, well done on a tricky merge
[23:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: feel free to poke the channel when you have merges like that
[23:25] <stdin> btw, it's "converted" from c++, hence the silly m_ prefix ;)
[23:26] <Riddell> stdin: does it help to change lay to self.lay ?
[23:27] <stdin> Riddell: nope, tried it. it fails on self.setLayout(anything), lay = QVBoxLayout(self) also fails with the same error
[23:32] <Riddell> stdin: aah, it's missing   QWidget.__init__(self, parent)
[23:32] <Riddell> as the first line in __init__
[23:32] <stdin> DOAH!
[23:32] <stdin> I knew it'd be something silly like that
[23:32] <Riddell> easy mistake
[23:33] <stdin> that'd probably because I "converted" the c++ source, and c++ kindly does that for me
[23:33] <stdin> thanks Riddell :)
[23:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks :)