[00:00] <Exilant> like moving home (which is also possible on the cl, but a bit dirty) or things on the system partition
[00:00] <sensae> Anyone know of syncing software that can sync Kontact to SyncML?
[00:01] <Colonel_Panic> well my main problem now is the sound issue
[00:02] <Colonel_Panic> hey... what about /var/cache/apt/archives?
[00:02] <Colonel_Panic> can I clear that out?
[00:02] <Colonel_Panic> lots of crap in there
[00:02] <Colonel_Panic> 256 MB
[00:03] <Exilant> sudo apt-get clean should do that
[00:03] <Colonel_Panic> what about lost+found?
[00:05] <kilem_> hi all
[00:05] <Exilant> hmm, that should be rather empty
[00:06] <kilem_> i try a mce whit kubuntu 8.04
[00:07] <Colonel_Panic> I just uninstalled the game Sauerbraten, but it still appears to be taking up 242 MB in /usr/share/games
[00:07] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: if the system finds fragments or stuff during fsck, it gets there, if you find a lot in lost+found, something went wrong
[00:08] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: it shouldn't. filelight caches the data, try restarting it
[00:08] <Colonel_Panic> it's still there
[00:09] <Exilant> ah
[00:09] <Colonel_Panic> should I just delete it manually?
[00:09] <Exilant> no
[00:09] <Exilant> i guess there is a .deb like sauerbraten-data
[00:09] <Colonel_Panic> how can I get rid of all that garbage
[00:10] <Exilant> try sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:10] <Exilant> another idea would be to clean out old kernels
[00:10] <Exilant> might free up to a GB
[00:10] <engineer> anybody here lives in Michigan?
[00:12] <zismuc> spanish??
[00:12] <Colonel_Panic> well, what can I do about this sound issue?
[00:12] <zismuc> spanish??
[00:12] <sensae> Anyone here using KitchenSync and SyncML?
[00:13] <zismuc> spanish??
[00:13] <zismuc> spanish??
[00:13] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: what sound issue?
[00:13] <genii> !es
[00:13] <stdin> engineer: try in #ubuntu-us-mi
[00:13] <Colonel_Panic> I have no sound
[00:14] <Colonel_Panic> the mic works
[00:14] <zismuc> gracias
[00:14] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: maybe it's just muted somewhereß
[00:14] <Colonel_Panic> When I un-mute the mic, I can hear mic'd sounds through the speakers, but no sound files can be played
[00:14] <Colonel_Panic> I don't think so
[00:15] <emanuel> Hey, anyone else having problems in FFX to show multiselect lists properly?
[00:15] <engineer> stdin thanks
[00:15] <Exilant> well, i don't know your sound chip, Colonel_Panic
[00:15] <emanuel> Their bug tracker is too slow for me at the moment.
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> when I select OSS in the hardware Sound settings
[00:15] <Colonel_Panic> it works for one playing of one file in one application
[00:16] <Colonel_Panic> but if I try to play another sound, it doesn't work
[00:16] <Colonel_Panic> or if I try using another app it doesn't work
[00:16] <jals> ok i installed compiz via adept, and the settings manager, but it doesn't appear to be having any affect
[00:16] <emanuel> Basically, in an edit form I select multiple values and press save. The values are stored but their are not displayed.
[00:17] <Colonel_Panic> you have to enable compiz using the Advanced Desktop Effects app in the Settings manu
[00:17] <Colonel_Panic> *menu*
[00:17] <Exilant> Colonel_Panic: yes, with oss  only one app can play
[00:17] <emanuel> I checked with konqueror and it shows the selected values as per what I saved using FFX.
[00:17] <emanuel> Any clue?
[00:17] <Colonel_Panic> but sound works under OSS
[00:17] <Colonel_Panic> if I change it to anything else, it doesn't play
[00:17] <Exilant> maybe some weird app hogging your sound system
[00:17] <jals> Colonel_Panic, i have that, and enabled certain plugins, but they don't seem to work - do you mean there's some overall way i need to enable it?
[00:18] <Colonel_Panic> what could be doing that? Sound is even out after a reboot
[00:18] <jals> actually reminds me, i didn't reboot yet, maybe compiz needs that
[00:18] <Colonel_Panic> there's a good tutorial about setting up Compiz in the Ubuntu forums
[00:18] <jals> ok, gonna reboot first jic
[00:18] <Colonel_Panic> check in #compiz-fusion they'll give you the link
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> you shuldn't have to reboot
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> though you may have to restart Xserver
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> ctrl-alt-backspace
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> but it will close many of your KDE apps
[00:19] <engineer> /etc/init.d/X11 restart
[00:19] <Colonel_Panic> sorry, ALL your KDE apps
[00:20] <Exilant> well, i'm off home, good luck
[00:20] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm
[00:29] <georgewp> how do i completely remove KDE4 from a command prompt then reinstall it without having to reinstall my system?
[00:30] <stdin> georgewp: why do you need to>
[00:30] <stdin> ?
[00:31] <georgewp> Well, I am having issues with the current install, for instance, my add remove programs doesnt work anymore, it crashed while installed updates so now when I try to run it, it says theres another isntance running and then it crashes
[00:31] <georgewp> and I would like to upgrade to the newest KDE4 release
[00:31] <stdin> !aptfix | georgewp, use this
[00:32] <stdin> georgewp: then just add the ppa from the #kubuntu-kde4 topic
[00:33] <georgewp> k
[00:34] <georgewp> I added https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive to 3rd party software links
[00:34] <georgewp> and it crashed again, so I am assuming that was the correc ppa
[00:34] <georgewp> how do I remove that line from it
[00:36] <lment> um, im ind anew to linux, and i have a few questions
[00:36] <georgewp> what questions lment
[00:36] <engineer> lment shoot
[00:37] <engineer> are you from nyc?
[00:37] <lment> im trying to install a program, and its becoming more difficult, i un balled it and now i would like to compile it but its not quite working the way it says on the internet faq site
[00:37] <lment> ive tried to install many actually
[00:38] <lment> can i past eht emessage here?
[00:38] <engineer> no
[00:38] <engineer> wait
[00:38] <lment> ok
[00:38] <georgewp> !pastebin
[00:38] <stdin> georgewp: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:38] <engineer> http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin
[00:38] <stdin> georgewp: then *read* the page ;)
[00:38] <lment> ok will read brb
[00:39] <georgewp> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:39] <georgewp> sudo: kate: command not found
[00:40] <Colonel_Panic> kdesu kate
[00:40] <engineer> georgewp sudo apt-get install kate
[00:40] <stdin> georgewp: try "gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" then
[00:40] <georgewp> i tried it without kdesu and it came up
[00:41] <engineer> you won't be able to save it afterwards
[00:42] <lment> i posted it on ubuntu paste
[00:42] <engineer> give us the link
[00:42] <georgewp> lol
[00:42] <lment> o lol
[00:42] <lment> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18924/
[00:42] <engineer> :|
[00:43]  * georgewp notices how it doesnt save after reading engineer's statement
[00:43] <georgewp> so whats up with kdesu
[00:43] <engineer> kdesu allows you to open kate as root
[00:43] <engineer> lment tried with sudo before gmake?
[00:44] <stdin> georgewp: it won'r search the kde4 path though
[00:44] <lment> i did use root
[00:44] <lment> and i got the same msg
[00:44] <lment> i even changed root pass etc ot hopefully reset or something, and perm denied
[00:45] <lment> so im at a standstill =(
[00:45] <georgewp> is there another command similiar to kdesu since kdesu wont work for me
[00:45] <georgewp> !kdesu
[00:46] <HunterSThompson> there a command that will let me see all my serial ports?
[00:47] <stdin> [00:40]<stdin> georgewp: try "gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" then
[00:47] <lment> ...
[00:47] <sensae> I'm running Compiz, how do I change my number of virtual desktops?
[00:47] <stdin> sensae: with the compiz config settings manager
[00:47] <sensae> stdin: Which section?
[00:48] <georgewp> i tried gksu gedit
[00:48] <stdin> sensae: I don't know, I haven't used compiz in almost a year ;) try asking in #compiz-fusion if no one here knows
[00:48] <georgewp> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list that was the only one that worked
[00:48] <georgewp> so i have my adept working again
[00:49] <stdin> georgewp: on the link, there are the repositories, right at the top of the page
[00:50] <sensae> Fixed it :)
[00:50] <lment> ok and my next question, how do i find out my wireless chipset?
[00:51] <stdin> lment: try "lspci | grep Ethernet"
[00:51] <lment> kk ty
[00:52] <dick-richardson> can you get java in the 64 bit verion of kubuntu hardy?
[00:52] <dick-richardson> *java plugin
[00:52] <engineer> no
[00:54] <engineer> wait for sun to launch it
[00:54] <dick-richardson> kk
[00:55] <stdin> dick-richardson: you can with the 32bit version of firefox running on 64bit
[00:55] <stdin> !java64
[00:55] <lment> if im trying to patch in drivers, how do i get the kernel headers and sources in order ot compile?
[00:55] <engineer> !headers
[00:55] <stdin> lment: kernel headers are usually already installed
[00:55] <lment> ah kk
[00:55] <olskolirc> ahhhh a kubuntu room
[00:55] <olskolirc> love my kubuntu
[00:56] <engineer> channel
[00:56] <stdin> kernel source is "apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)" (no sudo needed)
[00:56] <engineer> not room
[00:56] <stdin> engineer: both are acceptable terms
[00:56] <engineer> i see no tv in this living room
[00:58] <lment> hmm
[00:59] <HunterSThompson> anyone know how to setup a motorala dct-2224 with mythbuntu?
[00:59] <lment> i have the latest version of ubuntu, how do i determine the kernel? 2.6.25 or 2.6.24?
[00:59] <engineer> lment uname -a
[01:00] <lment> ty ty =)
[01:00] <lment> that was easy tyvm
[01:01] <Tann> What package(s) do I uininstall to remove kubuntu from my system?
[01:01] <engineer> sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <stdin> Tann: if that fails, see http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[01:03] <ieatcereal> fortune
[01:03] <ieatcereal> Random Fortune: quit When the quit statement is read, the bc processor  is terminated, regardless of where the quit state-  ment is found. For example, "if (0 == 1) quit"  will cause bc to terminate. 	-- seen in the manpage for "bc". Note the "if" statement's logic
[01:03] <ieatcereal> :)
[01:03] <georgewp> This is the same thing that hapened before, sun-java6-jre is hanging at "Preparing installation..." in adept
[01:03] <stdin> georgewp: click the show details button
[01:04] <lment> hmm, does ubuntu have a sources directory? for patching?
[01:04] <lment> does it go by another name?
[01:05] <georgewp> stdin, its a blue screen thats cut in half so its not showing the whole thing but what i can see looks like a terms of service
[01:05] <stdin> georgewp: does clicking on the terminal window and pressing PageDown move it?
[01:06] <eMaX> re
[01:06] <georgewp> stdin, no
[01:06] <stdin> georgewp: is the adept window maximised?
[01:07] <georgewp> yes
[01:08] <stdin> georgewp: ok, press Ctrl-Alt-Escape and click on the adept window, then open a term and do "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a", then you should be about to accept the license
[01:09] <stdin> georgewp: I'll report that bug to the adept people too
[01:09] <georgewp> ok, what  did was closed it and maximised it before i opened so i see the whole tos just wont let me click ok
[01:09] <stdin> georgewp: try using tab
[01:09] <stdin> (still a bug though, should use the GUI)
[01:10] <georgewp> still wont let me accept
[01:10] <georgewp> maybe it would let me accept in console
[01:11] <stdin> georgewp: it will in a console
[01:12] <stdin> but you have to kill adept first (that's what ctrl-alt-escape and clicking on adept does)
[01:12] <georgewp> k sweet
[01:12] <georgewp> did it in console, works like a champ
[01:13] <georgewp> k, i did an upgrade of kde4.0 to 4.1 it didnt tell me to reboot though
[01:13] <stdin> why would it?
[01:13] <georgewp> i dunno
[01:13] <georgewp> lol, i supose not since this aint windows
[01:14] <_CrashMaster_> Why would plugging in a 2nd monitor cause Kubuntu to decide it will never leave 640x480?
[01:14] <stdin> there's no need to restart, just logout and back in to get the new kde4 :)
[01:14] <dick-richardson> you can just restart x if you'd feel more comfortable
[01:14] <dick-richardson> ctrl-alt-bckspc
[01:14] <stdin> don't do that
[01:14] <dick-richardson> won't load the new stuff?
[01:15] <stdin> no, I mean ctrl-alt-backspace, that the dirty way to 'restart' X
[01:15] <stdin> it forcefully kills it
[01:15] <dick-richardson> well, yeah...but doesn't the "new" stuff load when it starts back up?
[01:15] <stdin> you can simply restart X from the login manager
[01:15] <stdin> new what, it'd show the login manager
[01:16] <Dragnslcr> dick-richardson- yes, but you'll also lose any unsaved files you have open
[01:16] <stdin> easier to logout and then back in, or logout and restart the X server the right way if you want
[01:16] <dick-richardson> yeah, you have to know what it does...suppose I should have clarified
[01:17] <dick-richardson> same as hopping over to tty1 and 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[01:17] <stdin> actually, that's still cleaner than c-a-bksp
[01:17] <dick-richardson> I didn't know that
[01:18] <georgewp> next error/issue, kwin-kde4 is upgradable but when i request an upgrad it says BREAK(upgrade) in red letters
[01:18] <stdin> c-a-bksp is like pressing Ctrl-C for a normal app, plain kills it
[01:18] <stdin> georgewp: ignore that, the package name as moved to kde-window-manager
[01:18] <georgewp> oh
[01:19] <Tann> stdin: when i try to remove the packages the site says to, i get an error. Its at http://pastebin.com/d3d1833df
[01:19] <dick-richardson> yep
[01:19] <georgewp> brb gonna log out and then back in
[01:19] <stdin> Tann: odd, I guess "sudo touch /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/media_safelyremove.desktop" should "fix" that error
[01:20] <Haza> Hey folks. What do you recommend as a svn client?
[01:20] <_CrashMaster_> Haza I just use the svn from repo
[01:20] <_CrashMaster_> sudo apt-get -install subversion
[01:21] <stdin> minus the '-'
[01:21] <_CrashMaster_> fix: sudo apt-get install subversion
[01:21] <_CrashMaster_> stdin: Got a moment?
[01:21] <stdin> there's also kdesvn, but I just use the command line
[01:21] <Haza> _CrashMaster_: Cheers mate! :)
[01:21] <stdin> _CrashMaster_: it took me a moment to answer, you'd better hope I have 2 ;)
[01:22] <Tann> stdin: it says that that file doesn't exits
[01:23] <_CrashMaster_> heh stdin: On a Dell laptop, I plugged in an additional monitor and tried to set it up as a 2nd desktop. Things went badly. I've since unplugged the monitor, but I cannot convince KDE to leave 640x480
[01:23] <stdin> Tann: the touch command creates it
[01:24] <Tann> stdin: it says 'touch: cannot touch'/usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/media_safelyremove.desktop': No such file or directory
[01:24] <Dragnslcr> One of the directories in the path doesn't exist
[01:25] <stdin> Tann: ahh, try "sudo mkdir -p /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/ ; sudo touch /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/media_safelyremove.desktop"
[01:26] <stdin> _CrashMaster_: not sure where that stuff is stored (and i don't use a 2nd monitor so never needed to find out)
[01:26] <Tann> stdin: thx. That worked
[01:26] <stdin> _CrashMaster_: I'd say try asking in #kde, someone in there is bound to know
[01:26] <_CrashMaster_> Can do.
[01:40] <sepeck> greetings.  I have the Kubuntu with KDE4.  Tried to run Adept manager to update and half way through it crashed (Update manager).  Now when I try and run Adept, it says I have another version running.  If I try and tell it to resolve it, then it crashes.  Any links/ideas?
[01:40] <genii> !aptfix
[01:41] <genii> sepeck: See the bot's recommendation above
[01:41] <sepeck> typing now
[01:41]  * mr--t genii on the spot
[01:42] <genii> mr--t:  :)
[01:43] <sepeck> ldconfig defered process now taking place..... so I wait?
[01:43] <genii> Yup
[01:43] <sepeck> cool.  any signs/out puts to show it's finished/done?
[01:44] <georgewp> what would the command be to edit my xorg.conf?
[01:44] <genii> sepeck: Will just dump you back to a command prompt
[01:44] <sepeck> oh cool, so it's done then :)
[01:45] <genii> georgewp: From konsole: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf             from gui:      alt-f2 kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf              or: install kxgenerator and do it all from in there
[01:46] <sensae> Does anyone know how to set up KitchenSync and Kontact?
[01:46] <sepeck> yay, taht seems to have unlocked it.  Now to see if I can get the update going again :)  Thanks much
[01:46] <genii> sepeck: You're welcome
[01:47] <sepeck> I figured now is a good time as the wife is working and have to watch kids, so really can't be playing on the computer much :)
[01:49] <georgewp> I found a website where some1 said they added Option "SLi" "yes" to their xconfig how would i add that, must I do something like "section: | "end section" with it or can i just add it last line?
[01:49] <genii> georgewp: url for that please?
[01:50] <georgewp> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-games-33/nvidia-sli-on-linux-499317/ (very last post)
[01:53] <genii> georgewp: Look for video device section. Will have something like "Configured Video Device" if Hardy (8.04) or else the driver name of the video device if an earlier kubuntu. Insert the line just above EndSection    for there
[01:54] <sensae> So no one here uses KitchenSync?
[01:54] <georgewp> K, thank you very much genii, going to reboot and see what hapens
[01:54] <georgewp> brb
[01:55] <genii> sensae: Apparently no one that knows enough to assist, it would seem :(
[01:56] <sensae> Drat :/
[01:57] <sepeck> genii: thank you again.  updates worked and I was able to remove and re-add my openssh server so it works again (which means re-direct surf from work works again too :)  Happy days
[01:57] <genii> sepeck: Glad to help :)
[01:58] <genii> sensae: You might be better off to go about it from looking for KitchenSync ppl who are incidentally using it on ubuntu or debian
[02:01] <genii> Bleh. My battery is dying
[02:02] <sepeck> magic battery update to full (or does that not work in real life?)
[02:03] <sensae> genii: I'll try that, thanks
[02:04] <genii> sepeck: I think unfortunately I may have left my charger at work :/
[02:04] <sepeck> ow
[02:04] <sepeck> maybe if you type more slowly it will extend battery life?  hmmm...
[02:06] <genii> Monitor says 9 minutes
[02:06] <sepeck> how does one add a new user to the system?  I cam across one item saying to add a kde4 user deal but I don't seem to have a corosponding entry in system menu
[02:07] <sepeck> kuser-kde4 I mean
[02:07] <stdin> sepeck: system settings -> user management
[02:08] <will01> anyone know how to control gnome applications with irkick?
[02:08] <genii> will01: Maybe ask in #ubuntu
[02:08] <sepeck> in kde4?  I don't have a user management in System Settings
[02:09] <stdin> sepeck: you didn't say in kde4
[02:09] <will01> genii, i figured id ask in both seeing as it involves both guis
[02:09] <genii> stdin: Actually he did
[02:09] <sepeck> :)
[02:09] <stdin> "<sepeck> how does one add a new user to the system?  I cam across one item saying to add a kde4 user deal but I don't seem to have a corosponding entry in system menu" not in that line ;)
[02:10] <genii> OK not explicitly then.
[02:10] <sepeck> most of the goole links are blogs mentioing how hard it is to add a user but not much inthe way of actually doing so :)
[02:10] <genii> sepeck: I'd just recommend good old commandline
[02:10] <stdin> use the kde3 system settings, Alt-F2, /usr/bin/systemsettings
[02:10] <sepeck> I wasn't as explicit as I perhaps should have been
[02:10] <stdin> sepeck: I just didn't read scroll-back
[02:11]  * genii hopes georgewp shows up in the next 5 minutes
[02:12] <sepeck> sudo adduser it is
[02:26] <georgewp> I added a line to my xorg.conf to enable SLI configuration and rebooted my pc to find a slugish boot and no boarders along the programs that i run and no programs showing up in my task manager. I also could not type in programs that i run but I was about to type in the search block in the kicker. When KDE booted I also recieved a sound card error but was able to hear the KDE boot audio. Before I updated my xorg.conf I also
[02:26] <georgewp> upgraded to KDE 4.1 with no errors, even logged out and back in with no errors so not sure if this error generated from the added the sli enabled line or the KDE upgrade.
[02:42] <pteague> how do i set up a vpn connection?  i have all the network-manager packages (except -dev) installed & i can't seem to create a vpn connection
[02:45] <colzani> hi people, i have kubuntu 8.04 in my acer 4520, and when i back from suspend or hibernate mode, the sound not work.
[02:51] <georgewp> same errors, I removed the Config "SLI" "yes" line from my xorg.conf so it is definitly the upgrade to kde 4.1 causing the errors
[03:06] <buckethead> Heya. Where are shutdown events logged? I've got some kind of network-manager problem but it scrolls by too fast for me to read enough to google it.
[03:14] <pteague> anybody know where rdesktop shows up in the menu?
[03:14] <genii> Internet...krdc
[03:16] <genii> georgewp: Made it back I see. Any progress?
[03:17] <pteague> genii: ah, ty
[03:18] <pteague> now... to figure out how to keep the pptp vpn from continuing to disconnect me...
[03:22] <georgewp> genii, yes the SLI worked fine but before i enabled SLI i upgraded my KDE 4.0 to 4.1 which made it so I couldnt type, typing came back (i dunno why) but I have sound errors, and do not have boarders on any programs running and my task tray isnt working
[03:23] <georgewp> I am sure there are more issues that I havnt found yet
[03:23] <shinigami> hi
[03:23] <genii> georgewp: kde4 ?
[03:24] <shinigami> leh kenal g
[03:24] <georgewp> yes kde4.1
[03:24] <shinigami> km da dmn?/
[03:25] <georgewp> shinigami, what language is that
[03:25] <genii> georgewp: You might want kde-window-decorator for the border issue. The task tray you might have to add a system tray widget to the bar
[03:25] <Agent_bob> Indonesia ?
[03:26] <shinigami> yes
[03:26] <georgewp> pearsong
[03:26] <genii> !id
[03:26]  * genii remembers some TLD stuff now and then
[03:28] <genii> georgewp: Also for kde4 specific stuff perhaps visit #kubuntu-kde4 channel
[03:28] <georgewp> genii, thats the thing I already have one on the bar, and when I first run a program it shows the program in the tray for a split second. Just like right before i get the audio driver error issue, I hear KDE boot up audio
[03:28] <georgewp> Seems most are idle in there
[03:28] <georgewp> do you know a command to downgrade back to 4.0?
[03:28] <genii> Not offhand
[03:29] <solo_> !seen engineer
[03:29] <NickPresta> georgewp, what are you trying to do?
[03:29] <shinigami> where u come
[03:31] <georgewp> NickPresta, my system worked 100% before I upgraded from KDE4 to KDE4.1 with the upgrade I lost sound, the ability to type with a keyboard, task tray widget, boarders around running programs. Those are just the aparent issues I am sure there are many more. Though if I could downgrade back to just KDE4.0 untill the issues get ironed out that are causing these errors in 4.1
[03:31] <NickPresta> georgewp, does the repo contain the 4.0 packages? Or have they been replaced by 4.1?
[03:31] <NickPresta> I would ask in #kubuntu-kde4.
[03:32] <georgewp> let me check
[03:33] <buckethead> When is 4.1 scheduled to come out?
[03:33] <willi_ballenthin> i have kde4 and kde3 installed right now, hows the best way to remove 3?
[03:33] <willi_ballenthin> july 29
[03:33] <pteague> ok, how do i set up kvpnc to reroute all network traffic to machines on 192.168.168.* ?  do i need to use 192.168.168.0/32 ?
[03:34] <buckethead> Thanks. I was thinking about digging into plasma a little. Probably better to wait, lol.
[03:34] <genii> pteague: That would be the correct netmask for the entire Class C yes
[03:37] <shinigami> hi
[03:37] <georgewp> I seemed to have fixed those issues
[03:38] <Agent_bob>  /32 ?     not /24 ?
[03:38] <georgewp> Reinstalled kde4
[03:39] <Agent_bob> isn't /8 the a class   /16 the b class   and /24 the c class ?
[03:39] <georgewp> Though how do I run Desktop Settings in sudo so I can shange the theme, selecting a new theme and apply returns nothing
[03:40] <Agent_bob> !sudo
[03:40] <Agent_bob> !kdesu | georgewp
[03:41] <Artimus> Anyone ever try the Acronis TrueImage Linux Server?  I've only found one Linux app that causes me more trouble: Vmware.
[03:43] <georgewp> bash: Kdesu: command not found | bash: Ksudo: command not found
[03:44] <NickPresta> georgewp, case sensitive
[03:44] <NickPresta> georgewp, kdesudo, not Kdesudo
[03:45] <georgewp> sorry, ok i got that, now I am just not sure of the syntax for Desktop Settings
[03:45] <georgewp> to run it from a command prompt
[03:45] <NickPresta> georgewp, Desktop Settings = system settings?
[03:46] <georgewp> no, just the gui desktop, to change wallpapers and themes, etc
[03:46] <shinigami> hi how are u
[03:46] <NickPresta> you shouldn't need root permission to change your user themes
[03:46] <georgewp> When I select a new theme, and then apply the desktop does nothing
[03:47] <NickPresta> In the event that you have to be root, do this: Press Alt+F2. Type in "kdesudo kcontrol" (without quotes). You can change your theme and such in the Appearance tree
[03:47] <georgewp> k thanx
[03:49] <georgewp> k, now I recieved a fatal error with the desktop and it crashed, all I see is a blue background, how do I get a new one to load?
[03:49] <Agent_bob> Ksudo: command not found  <<< classic.  :)
[03:49] <georgewp> lol
[03:49] <Agent_bob> there has never been a [K,k][S,s][U,u][D,d][O,o]
[03:50] <genii> Agent_bob: Mybe there should be.
[03:50] <genii> insert an a in there
[03:50] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:50] <Agent_bob> would use upper or lower case for the k ?
[03:51] <genii> lower
[03:51] <Agent_bob> he would have gotten the same error then ;/
[03:53] <georgewp> is there a text command to recycle kde, or restart kde, my xserver is still running but KDE crashed
[03:53] <genii> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 restart           (or just kdm  depends on what you got)
[03:53] <Agent_bob> dcop maybe
[03:54] <kalorin`> has anyone gotten wireless networking to work wtih 8.04?
[03:54] <kalorin`> I'm having a heck of a time, wired works fine, wireless acts like it should work but can't see to dhcp any addresses from any network, encrypted or wide open
[03:54] <Agent_bob> three fingured salute will/should reset xorg tho
[03:54] <kalorin`> it's bizarre, I can see the networks and see that they're encrypted and all that but no dice connecting to any
[03:55] <kalorin`> and it's a centrino laptop, and yes I've read stuff about it all day, and determined that I have the driver and the ieee80211 modules
[03:55] <genii> kalorin`: My Realtek 8187 and my D-Link DWL-G630 work flawlessly
[03:55] <kalorin`> knetworkmanager just doesn't even give me an option for wireless, it's grayed out
[03:55] <georgewp> When I type that I get, Stopping K Display Manager: kdm-kde4 not running (/var/run/kdm-kde4.pid not found).| Starting K Display Manager: kdm-kde4.
[03:55] <georgewp> and nothing hapens
[03:55] <kalorin`> genii, what is the device name for your wireless device?
[03:55] <kalorin`> eth1 or wlan0 or what?
[03:56] <genii> kalorin`: The Realtek is wlan0 and the D-Link is ath0
[03:56] <kalorin`> hrms..
[03:56] <kalorin`> interesting
[03:57] <buckethead> I've got an atheros that works pretty good too
[03:59] <buckethead> kalorin`: This helped me figure out my problems.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[04:00] <kalorin`> I'll take a look thanks
[04:00] <shinigami> hi
[04:01] <pteague> ok, how do i need to setup this network thing so that i get a net mask of 255.255.255.0 ?  apparently with 192.168.168.0/32 i end up with 255.255.255.255 :(
[04:01] <kalorin`> 192.168.168.0/24
[04:03] <mr--t> 32 would take up all the bits
[04:04] <Agent_bob> 8.16.24.32
[04:04] <pteague> dang it, /24 doesn't work either... it's still giving me 255 across the board
[04:05] <pteague> so i'm guessing kvpnc is screwing up
[04:05] <shinigami> hi
[04:06] <mr--t> shinigami: this is a channel that offers help do you hvae a question?
[04:06] <mr--t> have^
[04:06] <shinigami> quatsion?
[04:07] <genii> shinigami: question = pertanyaan
[04:07] <shinigami> have apic
[04:07] <mr--t> yes a question about kubuntu
[04:08] <shinigami> asl plz
[04:08]  * mr--t its all you genii
[04:08] <kalorin`> ok, so knetworkmanager is no longer seeing any of my devices, even the wired one
[04:09] <genii> shinigami: "asl" etc ->  sesuai  sini
[04:09] <kalorin`> when I plug a cable in, it doesn't even dhcp it's address on it's own without my kicking it
[04:10] <kalorin`> if I force it to dhclient eth0 it gets an address and everything's fine, works no problem, except that knetwork manager can't see any devices still
[04:10] <kalorin`> so weird
[04:10] <genii> mr--t: I'm relying on a dodgy online english to malay translator :?
[04:10] <genii> :/   even
[04:11] <mr--t> good luck with that
[04:11] <dwidmann_laptop> Hey guys (and perhaps girls too :P), what would be the best way to *manually* set the resolution for a monitor ??????????
[04:17] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop this is irc, where men are men,   and women are men,     and children are fbi agents.            (edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?)
[04:18] <Agent_bob> best is a subjective term
[04:19] <genii> !best
[04:19] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: I guess I could ***try*** to do that, but it would be rather inconvenient, I was hoping for something involving xrandr, seeing as this is a laptop and an external monitor (tv actually, in a hotel, so it'll be by no means a permanent connection)
[04:19] <genii> Hmm
[04:21] <haryono> how to remove panel from kubuntu scree?
[04:23] <haryono> help me pls
[04:23] <shinigami> where u come
[04:23] <solo_> QUESTION!: i just installed GFXBOOT and i cant find it anywhere.... any ideas??
[04:23] <haryono> indonesia south east asia
[04:24] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: can you lend me your xorg.conf (or any other one that manually specifies the res), kind of forgot that hardy comes with umm, a rather empty xorg.conf
[04:24] <dwidmann_laptop> anyone elses with the info I require would work also, if anyone else is home :)
[04:24] <haryono> how to remove panel from kubuntu that cause my window screen shrink
[04:24] <haryono> help me pls
[04:25] <Boohbah> !id
[04:26] <kalorin`> ok this is just crazy
[04:26] <genii> shinigami: I am from Canada.
[04:26] <kalorin`> I've turned off all encryption on my wap
[04:26] <kalorin`> I can see the dumb thing
[04:27] <kalorin`> I can see the ESSID
[04:27] <kalorin`> scan for it whatever
[04:27] <kalorin`> I can not get an IP address from it
[04:27] <kalorin`> I can see the drivers for ipw2200 are installed along with the ieee80211 module
[04:27] <dwidmann_laptop> kalorin`: , try rebooting both your computer and the router
[04:27] <kalorin`> dwidmann_laptop: been done several times
[04:27]  * mr--t ooo canadaaa...
[04:27] <kalorin`> knetworkmanager doesn't even show the wired network when I open that
[04:28] <genii> mr--t: Yes, that land of igloos and beer
[04:28] <kalorin`> all the tabs are grayed out and it says no devices
[04:28] <kalorin`> of course eth0 is connected and working fine
[04:28] <dwidmann_laptop> kalorin`: might need to after any alterations to the routers configurations, I've had issues with that in the past ...
[04:29] <mr--t> / me wonders if genii heard the tune ...
[04:29] <genii> mr--t: O Canada... Our home but native's land....   etc
[04:30] <genii> But I stray OT
[04:30]  * mr--t thats the one
[04:31] <Sneedly> !lal
[04:31] <Sneedly> !rar
[04:32] <kalorin`> wlassistant sees the network, essid and all that
[04:32] <kalorin`> seems to think that it's encrypted, so I turned wep back on
[04:32] <kalorin`> no dice
[04:33] <kalorin`> router reboots every time a config is changed
[04:33] <kalorin`> just how it works
[04:33] <dwidmann_laptop> nobody has an xorg.conf with the resolution stuff in?????? bummer.
[04:33] <kalorin`> nothing makes me unhappier than to format off the laptops' working XP install and see linux fall on it's face like this
[04:33] <kalorin`> gives the with ammunition
[04:34] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: Maybe look at /etc/X11/1xorg for ideas
[04:34] <kalorin`> dwidmann_laptop: mine when I installed it yesterday didn't have it right, in fact it autosensed it all wrong from the panel and the font was HUGE
[04:34] <Agent_bob> haryono right click panel    remove this panel   ?
[04:34] <kalorin`> couldn't even use it
[04:34] <kalorin`> had to set it to DDC off or something int eh config
[04:34] <dwidmann_laptop> kalorin`: opposite problem here, autodetected all wrong and everything is tiny
[04:35] <kalorin`> crazy
[04:35] <kalorin`> try setting that flag and restartin
[04:35] <kalorin`> hang on I'll find it
[04:35] <dwidmann_laptop> it's a rather large tv, seems the virginia beach ramada has upgraded to 32" LG LCDs :)
[04:35] <kalorin`> um...
[04:36] <solo_> can someone tell me also how to install real player or something to mimic such?? FF 3
[04:36] <kalorin`> dwidmann_laptop: in the device set Option "DDC" "no"
[04:36] <kalorin`> and restart
[04:36] <kalorin`> you might have th esame problem but differnet symptoms
[04:36] <kalorin`> autodetected wrong
[04:36] <dwidmann_laptop> I don't have anything in the device section, but I guess I can try that anyhow.
[04:36] <kalorin`> I just had "Identifier "configured vdie device"
[04:37] <kalorin`> that was all
[04:37] <kalorin`> added that line and it was suddenly "useable"
[04:37] <dwidmann_laptop> my problem is it won't let me pick the resolution I need, I need to set it to 1366x768, and it's trying to run it with 1024x768 or something ..... I'll try that line though, and I hope it will work
[04:37] <dwidmann_laptop> brb, restarting X
[04:38] <Agent_bob> 1366x768 o.O
[04:38] <solo_> lol
[04:38] <kalorin`> fixed?
[04:39] <solo_> <drum role>
[04:39] <Agent_bob> !realplayer
[04:39] <solo_> ty!
[04:39] <Agent_bob> yw!
[04:40] <dwidmann_laptop> kalorin`: wow, seems you were right, whatever that option does, it certainly seems to have helped, a lot.
[04:40] <dwidmann_laptop> seems the res still isn't quite right though
[04:40] <dwidmann_laptop> it's cutting off at the top
[04:41] <haryono> help me to remove panel from kubuntu screen pls
[04:41] <dwidmann_laptop> it still won't let me set the proper resolution, seems it's trying to use 1280 x 768
[04:41] <dwidmann_laptop> haryono: killall kicker
[04:41] <Agent_bob> haryono right click panel    remove this panel   ?
[04:41] <willi_ballenthin> haryono: can you not right click->remove?
[04:42] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop ummm that might kill more than one panel  ;/
[04:43] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: and it lets them come back later, but for those looking for a quick fix ....... he asked over and over again and wasn't very specific, what can I say :P
[04:43] <dwidmann_laptop> I still need a sample xorg.conf file ... looks like I'm stuck googling
[04:43] <Sneedly> how do i set up ark to accept .rar files?
[04:44] <Agent_bob> heh.  yeah i know.  i just uparrowed to repost what i already told him
[04:44] <Agent_bob> Sneedly install unrar-free ?
[04:44] <Agent_bob> !rar
[04:44] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: Did you look at /etc/X11/1xorg yet?
[04:44] <dwidmann_laptop> ???
[04:44] <dwidmann_laptop> lemme see
[04:44] <Sneedly> !unrar-free
[04:45] <Sneedly> Agent_bob: it doesnt tell you there
[04:45] <Agent_bob> so the infonode is wrong.   so sue me.
[04:45] <Agent_bob> ;/
[04:45] <dwidmann_laptop> genii: that file doesn't exist
[04:46] <Agent_bob> Sneedly but i thought installing unrar-free was the answer.   you may need to set a mime type too
[04:46] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: OK. On mine it does and has the actual info which seems lacking in the stock hardy xorg.conf
[04:46] <Agent_bob> Sneedly i try to avoid all "non-free" krap
[04:47] <Sneedly> Agent_bob: is there another way to do it?
[04:47] <Agent_bob> probably,  but that doesn't mean i know what it is...
[04:47] <Sneedly> Agent_bob: haha i'll see what happens
[04:47]  * Agent_bob is only 7 years old.
[04:47] <haryono> dwidman, Agent Bob, Willi....when i klik right only display configure panel......remove from the panel..etc..no one say remove all panel
[04:48] <Sneedly> Agent_bob: no way
[04:48] <kalorin`> well, looks like I'm formatting and reinstalling again
[04:48] <kalorin`> just see if it's got somethign weird going on
[04:48] <kalorin`> hopefully that'll fix it, though I can't imagine why
[04:48] <kalorin`> sad realy
[04:48] <kalorin`> really
[04:48]  * genii wonders if Agent_bob counts in dog years
[04:49] <dwidmann_laptop> brb folks, trying something, if it doesn't work, you know I'll be back :P
[04:49] <genii> Or possibly leap years
[04:49] <haryono> im hopeless to remove panel in my screen its caused screen shrink
[04:49] <Agent_bob> repost for sneedly's sake   " this is irc, where men are men,   and women are men,     and children are fbi agents. "
[04:50] <haryono> no way out to remove panel on my kubuntu screen
[04:50] <Sneedly> fbi why would they be here
[04:50] <dwidmann_laptop> no gold
[04:50] <Sneedly> im out of the loop
[04:50] <haryono> show me how to remove all panel from my screen pls
[04:51] <Solo_ZzZ> wow... massave lag
[04:51] <Solo_ZzZ> !ping
[04:51] <Solo_ZzZ> lol
[04:53] <dwidmann_laptop> that didn't help either, still no luck :(
[04:53] <dwidmann_laptop> I need some ideas folks, shower me with lovely ideas!
[04:54]  * Boohbah showers dwidmann_laptop with lovely chocolate rain
[04:54]  * Agent_bob thinks of a world where computers are completely obsoleet and people have lives </mental image to dwidmann_laptop>
[04:55] <dwidmann_laptop> What are these lives, and do you have any for me to resell on the black market?
[04:55] <Agent_bob> ummmm   well,  actually, ...
[04:55] <Agent_bob> hehhe.   no.
[04:56] <Boohbah> at least not while the fbi's lurking
[04:56] <Boohbah> <_<
[04:56] <Boohbah> >_>
[04:56] <dwidmann_laptop> I just tried adding a subsection display to the screen section, and added the correct depth and resolution, but it's not taking for some reason or another.
[04:56] <dwidmann_laptop> Boohbah: hehe
[04:56] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: Does your monitor do this resolution of 1366 ?
[04:56] <dwidmann_laptop> genii: according to google, yes.
[04:57] <dwidmann_laptop> according to the back of the tv, it's an LG 32LC5DC
[04:58] <dwidmann_laptop> assuming my brother just read that off right
[05:01] <Agent_bob> 16:9
[05:01] <dwidmann_laptop> I think so yes ...
[05:01] <rav> hello. i installed kpowersave and powersaved, but the cpu throttling is not enabled. I'm using a amd turion 64 dual core, how can I enable this?
[05:01] <genii> dwidmann_laptop: I'd recommend installing read-edid package. Then to run something like: get-edid | parse-edid     and study the output
[05:02] <anom01y> jeesh
[05:03] <anom01y> having serious issues trying to install xubuntu AND kubuntu
[05:03] <anom01y> two different computers
[05:03] <anom01y> kubuntu installed fine but when I turn the computer on after the installation
[05:03] <dwidmann_laptop> oops
[05:03] <dwidmann_laptop> oh well .... genii, read-edid is not available
[05:03] <anom01y> it sais mbr: fa:
[05:04] <anom01y> then it does nothing
[05:04] <anom01y> ????
[05:04] <anom01y> I repartitioned the hd using the installer cd, and it installed everything
[05:04] <anom01y> selected the right hard drive
[05:04] <anom01y> what does FA: stand for ?
[05:05]  * dwidmann_laptop waits impatiently
[05:05] <dwidmann_laptop> I'm so frustrated today, my dad really stresses me out ... sorry
[05:05] <anom01y> everyone sais ubuntu is good but I've had nothing but problems
[05:06] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop that modle shows to "Supported Computer     1024 x 768 "
[05:06] <genii> !info read-edid
[05:06] <anom01y> trying to install it on two different computers cant even work for any of them
[05:06] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: hahahahahahaha, that's funny.
[05:06] <anom01y> md5sum is good
[05:06] <anom01y> tried 2 different copies
[05:07] <anom01y> did everything right
[05:07] <Agent_bob> shopper.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs
[05:07] <dwidmann_laptop> must be my fault, time to update
[05:07] <anom01y> what does mbr fa: mean
[05:07] <dwidmann_laptop> nope, still no candidate
[05:07] <anom01y> I think I might go back to debian
[05:07] <dwidmann_laptop> (wow, this internet connection must be beast, it did that in like 2 seconds or less)
[05:08] <dwidmann_laptop> oh wait, I didn't read that completely, it's only available for i386 and ppc.
[05:08] <anom01y> CAN ANYONE HELP ME ?
[05:08] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop funny ?
[05:08] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: that's and interesting tidbit, it seems to let me push it quite a bit higher than that though
[05:09] <dwidmann_laptop> I don't even remember what I thought was funny now to tbh Agent_bob
[05:09] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop yes.  just saying that that rez might work for you seeing that they do advertize it's support.
[05:09] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: but 1024x768 looks absolutely terrible ..... honest.
[05:09] <rav> any idea why kpowersave would have cpu throttling disabled?
[05:09] <lovely> anyone know a reson xmms wont load in adept onto hardy heron
[05:10] <genii> anom01y: The drive isn't set bootable
[05:10] <lovely> say's BREAK.
[05:10] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop pfft.  you're just too close to it     lol
[05:10] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: oh, so if I stand back, about 3/4 mile, I should be good huh?
[05:11] <frybye> Hi - please remind me how to list active processes and kill the one I want gone in the consol...?
[05:11] <anom01y> hello ?
[05:11] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop oh don't be rediculess,   only 1/2 mile is fine
[05:11] <anom01y> am I just typing for fun or can anyone help me I've been trying to install ubuntu for 2 days now
[05:12] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: sure, if I'm going blind (and I probably am)
[05:12] <Agent_bob> frybye ps pidof top kill killall pgrep pkill   any/all of those.
[05:12] <dwidmann_laptop> I wonder about 640 x 1138 though , hmmm
[05:13] <Agent_bob> dwidmann_laptop i was only reporting what the vender was advertizing about that modle.
[05:13] <anom01y> HELLLLLLLLLLLP
[05:13] <dwidmann_laptop>  brb
[05:14] <anom01y> ANYONE: what do I do if kubuntu hardy heron 8.04 latest installation type cd
[05:14] <anom01y> installs
[05:14] <anom01y> but then when the computer tries to boot it sais
[05:14] <anom01y> "mbr fa:"
[05:14] <anom01y> and sits there and does nothing
[05:15] <Agent_bob> use a different boot loader ?
[05:15] <frybye> tks Agent_bob
[05:15] <Agent_bob> frybye welcome.
[05:16] <genii> anom01y: Hit a  then 1
[05:16] <genii> Bah left
[05:16] <Ninjara> I've tried out the KDE 4.0.4 packages and uninstalled them, now trying the 4.1b packages gives me a bunch of broken dependencies and a refusal to install.  What's the most likely source of error here?
[05:17] <lsemple> hello?
[05:17] <Agent_bob> !pestilence | should be tied to patience and verse vice'a
[05:17] <buckethead> Gah. I lost my KDE 4 default theme for something vaguely gnome-ish when I started compiz. Can I get the KDE4 theme and use compiz?
[05:17] <Ninjara> I uninstalled 4.0.4 cleanly and removed the apt lines, did an apt-get update, added the 4.1b apt lines, update again, etc., all schould be clean, theoretically.
[05:17] <lsemple> ANYONE HERE able to help ?
[05:18] <Agent_bob> !kde4 | Ninjara
[05:18] <lsemple> I need help
[05:18] <Ninjara> lsemple: If you ask the question, maybe.
[05:18] <lsemple> Ninjara: question: I install kubuntu on my brand new computer
[05:18] <frybye> lsemple: just ask - don't ask to ask...
[05:19] <lsemple> using the kubuntu 8.04 installer cd (for installation only)
[05:19] <lsemple> and everything goes fine, I select all the options
 Ninjara: question: I install kubuntu on my brand new computer  <<< that question not
[05:19] <lsemple> format, partition the hd, install kubuntu
[05:19] <dwidmann_laptop> Well Well, seems it behaves differently when I have that noDDC thing set. I can't get it the way I want either way, I wonder if I can just get VLC fired up and see if I can tolerate the problem
[05:19] <lsemple> then when I reboot, I get "mbr fa:"
[05:19] <lsemple> and it sits there and does nothing
[05:20] <Ninjara> Agent_bob: Thing is I followed the howtos from kubuntu.org to the letter, as far as I recall.  That page is pretty much where I'm coming from.
[05:20] <lsemple> I hit "a" and 1234f appears
[05:20] <genii> lsemple: hit 1   now
[05:20] <frybye> Isemple - put your whole question on one line of text  - much easier to read/understand... ok?
[05:20] <lsemple> ok
[05:21] <lsemple> ok so when it sais mbr fa: I hit "1"
[05:21] <lsemple> ?
[05:21] <dwidmann_laptop> bbl folks
[05:21] <lsemple> or, "a", then "1"
[05:21] <Agent_bob> frybye is it just me, or did he make several statements and never ask a question ?
[05:21] <lsemple> cause none of them are working
[05:21] <genii> lsemple: When it says 1234f after you hit a then hit 1
[05:21] <lsemple> I did that nothing happens
[05:22] <frybye> Agent_bob: he is -leading up too the question - the suspense is killing... heheh
[05:22] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:22] <lsemple> here is the question: why wont my new kubuntu installation boot ?
[05:22] <lsemple> (grub)
[05:23] <Agent_bob> genii out of curiosity, (never having see that before)  is that the bios or some strange boot loader doing that ?
[05:23] <genii> lsemple: You had lilo previously, or you put /boot partition someplacxe not marked as bootable?
[05:23] <frybye> Isemple - is the kubuntu the only os on the system?
[05:23] <lsemple> I am overwriting another system
[05:23] <lsemple> that used grub aswell
[05:24] <Agent_bob> /boot needs to be bootable ???
[05:24] <lsemple> I dont think the kubuntu install cd properly formated / partitioned the cd
[05:24] <Ninjara> Eh, of course, a dedicated kde4+kubuntu help chan.  Sorry, guys :p
[05:24] <lsemple> er the hd
[05:25] <lsemple> and if I selected the wrong hd, then my old installation would have booted
[05:25] <frybye> perhaps others will comment on this suggestion: but maybe you should use gparted live cd to reformat the hd completly and then re-install with kubuntu - are you using version 8.4?
[05:25] <lsemple> so the kubuntu cd did something
[05:25] <frybye> ee e 8.04
[05:25] <lsemple> 8.4
[05:25] <Agent_bob> lsemple you are letting ubiquity install grub to the mbr  are you not ?
[05:25] <lsemple> so the installation cd doesnt repartition the hd ?
[05:25] <genii> Agent_bob: On some embedded systems using diskonchip or booting to external device it goes to lowlevel bios routine/disassembler and "a" tells it to show your current memory location, 1->4 chooses partition to boot to if not marked bootable
[05:25] <lsemple> whatever is on that basic kubuntu installation alternative cd
[05:26] <lsemple> I will try 1,2,3,4
[05:26] <Agent_bob> genii ah i see.    i guess i'm not too old to learn something...
[05:27] <genii> Agent_bob: It's pretty esoteric
[05:27] <lsemple> well
[05:28] <lsemple> 1 2 3 and 4 dont work
[05:28] <frybye> - with my non-expert status - I would tend to reformat the box - use the normal cd/dvd and not the alternative and see if that did it with default choices...
[05:28] <Agent_bob> acroamatic even
[05:28] <lsemple> use a live cd to format the hd
[05:28] <lsemple> then boot the alternate installation cd and install
[05:28] <lsemple> ?
[05:29] <genii> lsemple: Did you do something like install grub to sdb1 sdc3  or so instead of just sdb sdc ?
[05:29] <frybye> I am not sure if using the alternate cd is clever if there is no special reason for using that and not the regular one...?
[05:29] <lsemple> well I just selected the hd it gave me in the list of hds
[05:29] <lsemple> pretty straight forward
[05:29] <genii> lsemple: sdc=hard drive. sdc1=partition
[05:30] <lsemple> well I will try the whole thing over again
[05:30] <lsemple> but first I will boot a live cd and format the partition
[05:30] <Agent_bob> waste of time.  ubiquity almost crys if you don't let it format / anyway.
[05:30]  * mr--t waves to frybye
[05:31] <frybye> genii - am i right in thinking that the   alternative   cd offers more choices during install - and so more chance of making mistakes...?
[05:31] <frybye> hi mr--t
[05:31] <genii> Agent_bob: Some interesting reading for you on the "a" 1,2,3,4 thing btw http://stezz.blogspot.com/2007/11/debian-etch-on-thinkpad-x31-via-usb.html
[05:31] <Agent_bob> frybye more options != more chances of mistake.   more options = more chances to customize things.
[05:32]  * Agent_bob goes to his root to read.
[05:32] <frybye> Agent_bob: depends on the level of competance of the installer I guess.. which would be appropriate...
[05:33] <genii> frybye: The alternate has advantages: more drivers,less ram needed,also you can dynamically alter the install by way of the 2 busybox consoles at alt-f2 and f3 and see stdout messages on alt-f4 for debugging
[05:33] <Agent_bob> frybye what i'm saying is.  0 options does not mean 0 errors.    think about M$
[05:33] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[05:34] <frybye> Agent_bob: right I get it..
[05:34] <frybye>  c u later - off to do other stuff...
[05:35] <[Relic]> Agent_bob, hey hey hey, no disrespecting Microsoft; you know it too a lot of time, money, and determination for Microsoft to beat VolksWagen's world record of making 22 million bugs!   :)
[05:36] <dwidmann_laptop> hmm, i t seems to be playing n ice with 1280 x 768!!
[05:36] <seba_> gente... hay algun comando para hacer un chequeo del sistema? como un scandisk?
[05:36] <genii> gah
[05:36] <seba_> porque tengo multiples problemas
[05:36] <[Relic]> Anyone got a good guide on how to get the coretemps from the x-.25 kernel into the x-.24 kernels used by ubuntu/kubuntu?   :)
[05:37] <dwidmann_laptop> [Relic]: a hard record to beat, but I think they've done it.
[05:37] <mr--t> !es seba
[05:37] <Agent_bob> [Relic] hehhe.    i like.      saw a quit message that stuck with me.  "if M$ ever makes something that doesn't suck, it will probably be a vacume cleaner!"   :)
[05:37] <[Relic]> :)
[05:37] <genii> !ar | seba
[05:37] <dwidmann_laptop> Agent_bob: I love that one too, think I saw it as a UF sig though
[05:38] <genii> mr--t: ip lookup on him shows argentina and not spain
[05:38] <[Relic]> I have one of the 45nms and the coretemp.c is correct in 2.6.25 but not in 2.6.24, the current version lacks support for the 45nm coretemp and it is driving me nuts
[05:38] <mr--t> i don't know how to do a lookup yet
[05:39] <Agent_bob> mr--t /whois mr--t
[05:39] <Agent_bob> mr--t right here in your irc client.
[05:39] <Agent_bob> /whois mr--t
[05:39] <genii> mr--t: rightclick on name, do a whois. this gives you normally either an ip or a name of their ISP connection. Copy and paste this to some lookup tool like dnsstuff, or else install whois and do it from terminal on own box.
[05:40] <mr--t> oh
[05:40] <Agent_bob> genii or konsole; whois *.*.*.*
[05:40] <Agent_bob> !info whois
[05:40] <genii> Agent_bob: Yup
[05:41] <[Relic]> just use the force and read his mind  :)
[05:41] <mr--t> sometime when i point to the name i can tell from the country code but i understand spanish
[05:41] <Agent_bob> or "hunt" him down...   </hint hint>
[05:42] <mjponce> !es mr--t
[05:43] <Agent_bob> no pipe
[05:43] <Agent_bob> !es | mr--t
[05:43] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | <<< that's a pipe
[05:43] <genii> ! ca | genii
[05:43] <mr--t> yeah  i saw that
[05:44] <Agent_bob> !i
[05:44] <Agent_bob> they still haven't fixed that.
[05:44] <mjponce> !Agent_bob
[05:44] <Agent_bob> ubottu i is me neither.
[05:44] <mr--t> the bot doen't speak canadien?
[05:45] <genii> Apparntly not :)
[05:45] <mr--t>  :-)
[05:45] <genii> He'd be called aboottu then
[05:45] <mr--t> xd
[05:45] <genii> ;)
[05:45] <mjponce> !abottu
[05:45] <mjponce> !aboottu
[05:45] <Agent_bob> !botabuse
[05:45] <genii> Agent_bob: Ok ok :)
[05:46] <mr--t> !botsnack
[05:47] <mjponce> genii?
[05:47] <genii> mjponce: Regional joke.
[05:47] <Agent_bob> daz rite
[05:48] <genii> mjponce: Many Americans and others think Canadians say the word "about" in the phonetic way of "aboot"
[05:48] <mr--t> they do
[05:48] <Agent_bob> mr--t may i ask who "they" are ?
[05:49]  * genii arms himself with slushballs
[05:49] <Agent_bob> or do you imply that "all canadians do that" ?
[05:49] <Agent_bob> which would obviously be imprecise
[05:50] <genii> Agent_bob: For a person in Dallas you're pretty metropolitan
[05:51]  * genii sips his beer...er coffee
[05:51] <Agent_bob> but i'm not in dallas,  nor texas.
[05:51] <genii> Agent_bob: Ah. Your lookup resolves there
[05:51] <Agent_bob> i know.
[05:51] <Agent_bob> i told it too
[05:52]  * genii wonders if root@ is purposeful also
[05:52] <buckethead> I tell DNS servers what to do sometimes. They usually don't.
[05:52] <Agent_bob> yep
[05:52] <mr--t> see so what good is a lookup then
[05:52] <genii> buckethead: Mine are itinerant stubborn things which need kicking now and again
[05:52] <Agent_bob> mr--t on most people it's "fairly" accurate
[05:53] <buckethead> Plug pulling - gets message across faster.
[05:53] <mr--t> oh i forgot your agent bob
[05:53] <mr--t> secret agent
[05:53] <Agent_bob> only on teusdays
[05:54] <Agent_bob> it's no secret the rest of the week
[05:54] <genii> mr--t: Most people are using a connection which resolves properly. Some use proxy servers for anonymity or to appear to be from a different location. On freenode they are usually not allowed.
[05:54]  * genii hums the "Secret Agent Man" song
[05:55]  * mr--t they given him a number and taken away his name
[05:55]  * _2 goes binary and executes himself.
[05:56] <buckethead> Not allowed? I used to TOR in all the time? Haha. The things you learn after its too late.
[05:57] <Agent_bob> the policy on TOR has changed several times in the last several years here
[05:57]  * Agent_bob says several several more times...
[05:58] <buckethead> Like my policy on fixing your computer. Right now, I'm on a pay in beer kick. In two months, I'll probably want cash. Six months from then, I won't touch a computer for a year.
[05:59] <Agent_bob> something like that, yeah.
[06:00]  * mrLOw is waking up with: '1 1000 Homo DJs - Supernaut (Supernaut)' on mocp
[06:01]  * genii works for free equipment
[06:01]  * Agent_bob works for free somethings too...
[06:01] <Agent_bob> oh that's not what you said...
[06:02]  * mr--t pretty soon will work for food
[06:02] <Agent_bob> s/thing/time/
[06:02] <Agent_bob> mr--t :)   that may become a common thing.  the dirrection things are goung.
[06:03] <Agent_bob> am i off topic again.  why do you guys do that to me?
[06:03] <mr--t> Oh i'm not a gloomy gus
[06:03] <Agent_bob> !ot | me
[06:11] <Agent_bob> well looks like the gold coast has went to bed.    i think i'll fall out for a while.    shalom #kubuntu !
[06:15] <lsemple2> ok
[06:15] <lsemple2> I got kubuntu installed
[06:15] <lsemple2> but I still cant get grub to install
[06:15] <lsemple2> with the install cd
[06:15] <buckethead> What?? I didn't think you could run kubuntu without grub?
[06:16] <lsemple2> it installed with the alternative installation cd
[06:16] <lsemple2> but when the computer restarts, I get mbr fa:
[06:16] <lsemple2> er
[06:16] <lsemple2> f1a:
[06:16] <lsemple2> I hit "f" does nothing, I hit "1" I get 1234f, I hit 1,2,3,4,f and nothing happens
[06:16] <lsemple2> grub doesnt load
[06:17] <buckethead> I need to go back to not talking.
[06:17] <lsemple2> how can I use the alternative installation cd to set up grub ?
[06:18] <lsemple2> maybe I shouldnt use the alternate installer cd
[06:19] <lsemple2> and just get the live cd and install from there
[06:19] <Kubuntu_> Hi. Anyone know how to get apt / dpkg to install (track) source code - so that it's part of the package management database ?
[06:20] <lsemple2> is there any way I can install grub ?
[06:20] <lsemple2> I am using another live cd amt
[06:20] <lsemple2> atm
[06:20] <Parker1> I hope someone can help me. I have a realtek AC 97 that is not being recognized as a sound device.
[06:21] <lsemple2> Parker1: onboard ?
[06:21] <Parker1> Yes
[06:23] <lsemple2> weird you'd think that would work
[06:23] <lsemple2> Im having major problems too
[06:24] <lsemple2> cant get grub to install from the alternate installation cd
[06:24] <Parker1> Yeah. makes no sense
[06:24] <lsemple2> you'd think simple problems like these would be figured out
[06:24] <lsemple2> instead we have to pesker cocky smart asses for simple answers
[06:25] <lsemple2> Parker1: I dont think anyone here cares to help, if I knew I would though
[06:25] <genii> lsemple2: Harassing the help doesn't further your cause or endear you to anyone.
[06:26] <lsemple2> ha they are watching
[06:26] <genii> Nominally :)
[06:27] <lsemple2> well I've been trying to install kubuntu from the alternate installation cd for over a day
[06:27] <pteague> the only down side to trying to use kdesvn for my new job is it doesn't support cvs...  blech
[06:27] <genii> lsemple2: When it stalls on alternate, did you go to 4th console and see what it is spewing out?
[06:27] <lsemple2> genii: that wasn't my problem
[06:27] <lsemple2> it installs fine, everything looks and seems to work
[06:27] <lsemple2> but it fails to install a working grub
[06:28] <lsemple2> (no error messages or anything, I just can't load the installation when I turn on the computer)
[06:28] <genii> lsemple2: And since you seem to be installing on a different hd than the primary, does the primary have a bootloader of some kind?
[06:28] <lsemple2> Im just wondering if I went the wrong direction and should have used the live cd instead and install from there
[06:29] <lsemple2> genii: no I am installing to the correct hd
[06:29] <Parker1> That's weird i had that same problem from the Alt,CD but I got the live working oay.
[06:29] <lsemple2> I double checked it with a live cd
[06:29] <genii> lsemple2: That answer and the previous answer are not actually answers to the questions that were asked
[06:29] <lsemple2> I opened the fs just a sec ago, kubuntu is there
[06:30] <lsemple2> I am installing on the primary, not a different hd
[06:30] <lsemple2> the alternative installation cd doesnt set up grub for me
[06:30] <lsemple2> so I just need to set up grub now
[06:30] <genii> lsemple2: Did you have lilo before or some other loader?
[06:31] <lsemple2> no
[06:31] <lsemple2> I removed the previous partition with a live cd
[06:31] <lsemple2> created 2 new ones
[06:31] <lsemple2> 1 primary, and 1 sway
[06:31] <lsemple2> swap
[06:31] <lsemple2> then formatted them
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> !enter | lsemple
[06:31] <Parker1> So if no one can help me i guess I'll just go back to Winblows
[06:32] <genii> Parker1: Pleasant travels
[06:32] <lsemple2> Parker1 try Kanotix
[06:32] <Parker1> Wow, you sure aren't very nice.
[06:32] <Parker1> Actually a bit snide.
[06:32] <lsemple2> they have good support
[06:32] <genii> Parker1: Was [01:31] <Parker1> So if no one can help me i guess I'll just go back to Winblows     very nice?
[06:32] <lsemple2> you just have to catch Kano during his awake hours
[06:33] <genii> We're volunteers
[06:33] <Parker1> Wasn't mean.
[06:33] <lsemple2> win does blow
[06:33] <lsemple2> but
[06:33] <lsemple2> there are only a few distros of linux I like
[06:33] <Parker1> I am aware you are volunteers.
[06:33] <lsemple2> windows xp is ok
[06:33] <lsemple2> right now I am trying kubuntu, but not sure if I like it as I cant get anything to work
[06:34] <Parker1> I actually have no problem with Windows my SuperComputer (trust me, aptly named such)  Dual boots Vista Enterprise and Ubuntu Studio
[06:34] <genii> Parker1: If it's some intel HDA (many realteks are) try using the !intelhda factoid. This is if lspci | grep Audio    for instance reports some HDA audio
[06:34] <lsemple2> Parker1: is your onboard enabled in bios ?
[06:35] <lsemple2> and, does it work with a live cd ?
[06:35] <Parker1> I don't know if it works with the live cd haven' really tried it.
[06:35] <Parker1> No way to test that.
[06:35] <lsemple2> no, you dont have a live cd ???
[06:35] <lsemple2> kanotix has a good live cd
[06:36] <Parker1> genii, pretend you are talking to a 10 year old idiot please?
[06:36] <lsemple2> here is a good link for a great live cd
[06:36] <Parker1> It is ac 97 that shows up a INtel chipset I gues.
[06:36] <lsemple2> http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/
[06:36] <lsemple2> you can download that, use it for repairing computers ect, and test if your audio works
[06:37] <Parker1> I've got 3 Live CDs
[06:37] <Parker1> Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu
[06:37] <lsemple2> ha, same
[06:37] <lsemple2> lol
[06:37] <lsemple2> but so far no luck getting any of them to install to the hd
[06:37] <lsemple2> er
[06:37] <Parker1> What sort of processor do you have and how much ram/
[06:38] <lsemple2> well I am trying to install xubuntu on a old dell laptop
[06:38] <lsemple2> and kubuntu on my main desktop
[06:38] <genii> lsemple2: If your livecd boots and if you can obtain a command prompt. Assuming sda as the drive. Mount sda1 or wherever /boot is into perhaps /tmp . Then something like: grub-install --root-directory=/tmp and see if says anything informative about kernel images perhaps it may find.
[06:39] <lsemple2> genii: I am on a kanotix live cd right now
[06:39] <lsemple2> I wonder if I can do it from this cd
[06:39] <genii> Parker1: What does:   lspci | grep Audio                     report please
[06:39] <Parker1> !pastebin
[06:39] <genii> lsemple2: Since it's debian based, yes
[06:40] <lsemple2> cool
[06:40] <genii> Parker1: For 1 line you don't ned pastebin
[06:40] <genii> *need
[06:40] <Parker1> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[06:41] <Parker1> I know that genii, I was just preparing for it to be like 8 lines.
[06:41] <genii> Parker1: Yes, it's one of those 82801 Intels.
[06:41] <genii> !intelhda | parker1
[06:42] <genii> Parker1: Incidentally in bios you should be able to set it ac97 or to hda
[06:42] <lsemple2> genii: my kubuntu is /media/sdc1/boot
[06:43] <Parker1> zThat  makes no sense. yes Iknow how to get to BIOS but  you aren't very specific
[06:43] <lsemple2> so grub-install --root-directory /media/sdc1/boot
[06:44] <genii> lsemple2: grub-install --root-directory=/media/sdc1/boot sdc
[06:44] <lsemple2> thank you
[06:44] <genii> or /dev/sdc  at end there
[06:44] <lsemple2> k will do
[06:45] <lsemple2> The file /media/sdc1/boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[06:45] <genii> Parker1: Without knowing your motherboard, etc it's somewhat difficult in how to instruct you to go there and alter the settings. I suggest if it's available to look at the manual for the motherboard whic should cover where in what menu to go for the sound settings.
[06:46] <genii> lsemple2: Ah, omit the boot part, just /media/sdc1\
[06:46] <lsemple2> ok
[06:46] <lsemple2> thanks
[06:47] <genii> lsemple2: That sdc is your primary drive seems odd.
[06:47] <matthew> my wireless suddenly doesn't come on when I boot anymore.. and the icon to select a wireless network doesn't appear to be there any more..
[06:47] <matthew> How can I get it back?
[06:47] <lsemple2> well not really
[06:47] <lsemple2> genii: sda1 is sata 1, sda2 is sata2 sdc1 is my ide primary
[06:48] <lsemple2> genii: can you check this out http://pastebin.ca/1043537
[06:48] <lsemple2> should I remove sda1, sdb1, and sdd1 ???
[06:48] <genii> lsemple2: This is relevant to a question I asked earlier. Because in this case then installing grub to sdc likely won't help since mbr is likely on sda
[06:48] <lsemple2> hmm well I had kanotix installed no problem
[06:49] <lsemple2> mbr was on sdc
[06:50] <genii> lsemple2: That output is normal. What OS is on sda if anything?
[06:50] <lsemple2> nothing just storage
[06:50] <lsemple2> same with sdb1
[06:51] <genii> lsemple2: Please report result of: fdisk -l | grep sdc
[06:51] <genii> sdc1 actually (tired)
[06:52] <lsemple2>  /dev/sdc1   *           1        9347    75079746   83  Linux
[06:52] <genii> OK it's marked bootable
[06:52] <genii> (the * there)
[06:52] <genii> What filesystem, ext2/3?
[06:54] <lsemple2> ext3
[06:54] <lsemple2> I think grub is incorrectly set up
[06:55] <genii> lsemple2: Whats in /media/sdc1/boot/grub ?        Pastebin please
[06:56] <genii> Also contents of menu.lst there if it exists
[06:56] <lsemple2> http://pastebin.ca/1043547
[06:56] <lsemple2> one sec for the menu.1st
[06:57] <genii> reading
[06:58] <lsemple2> http://pastebin.ca/1043550
[06:58] <genii> reading
[07:00] <genii> lsemple2: Please tell me if result of: blkid | grep sdc1                jives with the UUID in the menu.lst
[07:00] <lsemple2> hmm that command doesnt work
[07:01] <lsemple2> I think it jives because I ran that grub-install /media/sdc1 /dev/sdc
[07:01] <lsemple2> I will try to reboot now
[07:02] <genii> lsemple2: Suggest edit then. Copy the kernel line. Comment the kernel line existing now. Put /dev/sdc1 for where it has uuid
[07:02] <lsemple2> edit menu.lst ?
[07:02] <genii> Yes
[07:03] <genii> Since we cannot know the uuid in there is correct.
[07:03] <genii> But preserve it for future comparison.
[07:04] <lsemple2> so just comment out where it says "kernel", and put /dev/sdc1 there ??
[07:04] <genii> lsemple2: I'll hang long enough for you to either boot to it or fail boot and return on some livecd.
[07:04] <genii> No
[07:04] <genii> 1 minute
[07:05] <genii> This line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=520d8134-375d-4315-81dd-86c673136b0a ro quiet splash
[07:05] <genii> should become: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/sdc1 ro quiet splash
[07:05] <lsemple2> ok
[07:06] <mr--t> whois lsemple
[07:06] <MrLoW_> lsemple2: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid should give you the right uuid ... at least on a debian box
[07:06] <lsemple2> ahh thats my other computer
[07:07] <lsemple2> its running winblows with mirc cause I was stuck
[07:07] <lsemple2> I use it for games only
[07:07] <genii> lsemple2: It's late here (2AM) and I require sleep. Please check if this operation is successful or not so that I can be coherent for work in 6 hours :)
[07:07] <lsemple2> ahh
[07:07] <lsemple2> ok
[07:07] <lsemple2> I did exactly what you said
[07:07] <lsemple2> changed that line
[07:08] <genii> OK, so acid test of the reboot
[07:08] <lsemple2> copied and pasted it for reference
[07:08] <lsemple2> I will reboot
[07:08] <lsemple2> brb
[07:08] <genii> If no-go on the reboot then come agin here on livecd and report in
[07:09] <lsemple> ok that machine is rebooting
[07:09] <lsemple> one sec
[07:09] <genii> Good.
[07:10] <lsemple> now I get this error
[07:10]  * genii tries to stay awake
[07:10] <genii> lsemple: New error like 17 or so?
[07:10] <lsemple> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=/dev/sdc1 ro quiet splah
[07:10] <lsemple> Error 15: file not found
[07:11] <lsemple> thats exactly what it sais
[07:11] <genii> lsemple: Ah, should be: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/sdc1 ro quiet splash                 and not what you had
[07:11] <lsemple> ahh
[07:11] <lsemple> I see
[07:11] <lsemple> k
[07:11] <lsemple> take out =UUID
[07:11] <genii> Yes and add an s into splash
[07:12] <lsemple> ok
[07:12] <lsemple> thank you so much for helping me tonight
[07:12] <lsemple> I was up last night same thing
[07:12]  * mr--t still can't do a whois
[07:12] <genii> lsemple: I'm not good for much longer though
[07:12] <lsemple> someone was keeping me awake though trying to fix my sound card
[07:12] <lsemple> lol
[07:12] <genii> mr--t:  /whois name
[07:12] <lsemple> till 2:30
[07:13] <mr--t> whois genii
[07:13] <genii> mr--t: Put the slash there
[07:13] <lsemple> just loading the live cd to edit that line again
[07:13] <lsemple> 2-3 mor minz
[07:14] <genii> /whois genii            <- eg
[07:14] <mr--t> i do that but get no responce
[07:14] <genii> lsemple: OK
[07:14] <MrLoW__> what client are you using mr--t
[07:14] <mr--t> kopete
[07:15] <mr--t> i also can right click on a name and selet info but i get no responce ther either
[07:15] <genii> Perhaps you're not registered
[07:16] <MrLoW__> should work mr--t but i havn't kopete installed (irssi user)
[07:16] <genii> <- konversation
[07:16] <mr--t> registered?
[07:16] <genii> !register
[07:16] <simi> hi, we habe a bot here, can someone knok it out?
[07:17] <genii> mr--t: You can't private-message someone for instance if you're not registered. Maybe whois is same
[07:17] <lsemple> ok you might as well go to bed
[07:17] <lsemple> I cant load a live cd for some dumb ass reason
[07:17] <genii> lsemple: I'll be back online in about 7 hours, for a period of 8 hours.
[07:17] <genii> If no relief by then.
[07:17] <lsemple> ok
[07:18] <simi> hi, we HAVE a bot here, can someone knok it out?an administrator or something
[07:18] <lsemple> thank you again
[07:18] <lsemple> if something goes wrong I will talk to you tomorrow
[07:18] <lsemple> appreciate it
[07:18] <genii> simi: Which bot?
[07:18] <lsemple> hmm now its loading
[07:18] <simi> House_Blend_......
[07:18] <lsemple> jeesh
[07:19] <lsemple> k 2 minutes I will retest grub
[07:19] <genii> lsemple: Guess I'll wait that long
[07:20] <mr--t> i'm going try tomorrow too gnite genii
[07:20] <simi> genii: he poped me with comercials imeditaly i entered here, morbid ones
[07:20] <lsemple> k one sec
[07:20] <genii> simi: Might want to mention in #ubuntu-ops if they're harassing you
[07:20] <lsemple> rebooting now
[07:20] <genii> simi: I'm not an op here
[07:20] <ds187> identify mordor187
[07:20] <lsemple> crossing my fingures
[07:20] <ds187> hups
[07:21] <lsemple> ok
[07:21] <lsemple> same error
[07:21] <lsemple> well
[07:21] <lsemple> this is the error
[07:21] <lsemple> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=/dev/sdc1 ro quiet splash
[07:21] <lsemple> Error 15: file not found
[07:22] <genii> lsemple: Getting somewhere.
[07:22] <MrLoW__> lsemple2: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid should give you the right uuid ... at least on a debian box
[07:22] <genii> lsemple: I'm outta juice though
[07:22] <lsemple> k
[07:22] <lsemple> no prob
[07:23] <lsemple> I can ask in #linux
[07:23] <genii> MrLoW__: Feel up to continuing?
[07:23] <lsemple> good night
[07:23] <Hobbsee> !help
[07:23] <lsemple> thanks again
[07:23] <genii> Hi Hobbsee. And goodnight :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> heya.  goodnight :)
[07:23] <genii> lsemple: Hope it gets resolved
[07:26] <lsemple2> MrLoW_: you there ??
[07:26] <MrLoW__> sorry yes lsemple2
[07:26] <lsemple2> hey no probs
[07:27] <lsemple2> k I have kubuntu installed to /dev/sdc1 but I can't seem to get grub to load
[07:27] <MrLoW__> yes i know try the ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid command
[07:30] <lsemple> +
[07:31] <lsemple2> http://pastebin.ca/1043562
[07:31] <lsemple2> sorry
[07:31] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: there
[07:31] <lsemple2> my kid was cryin
[07:31] <MrLoW__> dont worry lsemple2 my internet is verry slow ... might take some time till i answer but i am here :)
[07:32] <lsemple> k no prob
[07:32] <MrLoW__> you /boot/grub/ is on sda1 right?
[07:33] <kalorin`> so go figure, there's a huge bug in all the ipw2200 modules
[07:33] <lsemple2> hmm one sec I will check
[07:33] <kalorin`> so basically if you have a centrino with that chipset for your wireless (among others) good luck making it work
[07:33] <kalorin`> how nice
[07:33] <kalorin`> straight back to winderz
[07:33] <kalorin`> lame
[07:35] <MrLoW__> lsemple2: sdc1 should be the drive with /boot/grub/
[07:36] <simi> hi want to connect to a motorola phone with a usb cable , i set the phone to be seen as a removable disk but nothing happens in my kubuntu hardy when i lug it in. I tested in xp and it works so the phone is corect configured,
[07:36] <MrLoW__> so nano your /boot/grub/menu.lst and put UUID=520d8134-375d-4315-81dd-86c673136b0a in  -> ../../sdc1 paste it befor you reboot please
[07:39] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: ??
[07:40] <lsemple2> ahh nano is an editor
[07:41] <MrLoW__> lsemple2: this is important ... grub will check for the UUID in order to find the boot .iso ... if isn't there you
[07:41] <MrLoW__> get the error
[07:41] <lsemple2> ok one sec
[07:42] <MrLoW__> that UUID is the same as you had in the begining ... so please check if sdc1 is the right drive
[07:42] <MrLoW__> !grup
[07:42] <MrLoW__> !grub
[07:44] <lsemple2> ok one more sec
[07:44] <lsemple2> sorry my kid is crying
[07:44] <lsemple2> (was)
[07:45] <MrLoW__> :) np
[07:45] <lsemple2> #kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=520d8134-375d-4315-81dd-86c673136b0a ro quiet splash
[07:45] <lsemple2> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=520d8134-375d-4315-81dd-86c673136b0a ro quiet splash
[07:45] <MrLoW__> check again with df /boot  that should check where grub is installed
[07:45] <lsemple2> like that ?
[07:45] <brent> hi
[07:45] <lsemple2> its the same as the commented out one
[07:46] <brent> hi
[07:46] <MrLoW__> yes
[07:46] <brent> ...
[07:46] <MrLoW__> give me df /boot please
[07:47] <brent> wots that
[07:47] <lsemple2> default boot is /dev/sdc
[07:47] <brent> i dont know what that is
[07:48] <lsemple2> er
[07:48] <lsemple2> kanotix@Kanotix:~$ df /boot
[07:48] <lsemple2> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:48] <lsemple2> /dev/loop0              710336    710336         0 100% /KANOTIX
[07:48] <lsemple2> there
[07:48] <Kubuntero> 	!paste
[07:48] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: there
[07:48] <MrLoW__> ok you are on the live cd sorry forgot that
[07:49] <lsemple2> yes
[07:49] <lsemple2> I changed that line so now its: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=520d8134-375d-4315-81dd-86c673136b0a ro quiet splash
[07:50] <MrLoW__> ok you are back on your original /boot/grub/menu.lst file ... befor you reboot ...
[07:50] <brent> how do i use konversation?
[07:50] <Kubuntero> brent: You are
[07:51] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: well its /media/sdc1/boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:51] <usamahashimi> Hello everyone!
[07:51] <Kubuntero> HI again brent
[07:51] <brent> so how do i use it agen?
[07:51] <usamahashimi> can anyone tell me that what packages should i install before installing Google-Gagedts?
[07:52] <brent> im kinda stuck
[07:52] <brent> can sum1 help me?
[07:52] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: do you want me to pastebin my menu.lst ?
[07:52] <brent> i dont get this thing
[07:53] <lsemple2> http://pastebin.ca/1043572
[07:53] <MrLoW__> write that down ... if you get the error again ... press c to get to the comand line ... and write grub, find /boot/grub/stage1, root (hd1,??) <--- output from find,setup (hd1,??), and quit that rewrites your grub ... lsemple2
[07:54] <lsemple2> ok
[07:54] <lsemple2> sounds good
[07:54] <lsemple2> so I will do the following
[07:54] <lsemple2> grub
[07:54] <lsemple2> find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:54] <lsemple2> root (hd1, ??)
[07:55] <lsemple2> setup (hd1, ??)
[07:55] <lsemple2> quit
[07:56] <MrLoW__> yes and lsemple2 delete the lines 3 -6 on your menu.lst they are double
[07:56] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: you mean the Kernel lines
[07:56] <brent> i need sum help
[07:56] <brent> anybodi?
[07:57] <Kubuntero> brent: sure ask
[07:57] <Kubuntero> what do you need help with
[07:57] <brent> does this work like msn?
[07:57] <brent> like do i use it 2 chat with mi friends
[07:57] <Kubuntero> brent: no
[07:57] <Kubuntero> brent: That's Kopete
[07:57] <brent> wots it for then?
[07:57] <Kubuntero> To come here and ask for help
[07:57] <usamahashimi> can anyone help me about google-gadgets dependiencies in kubuntu 8.04?
[07:57] <Jucato> brent: this is for IRC
[07:57] <brent> so should i download that then?
[07:58] <Kubuntero> if you have a problem with anything in Kubuntu open konversation and ask fr help
[07:58] <Kubuntero> We will guide you and help solve problems
[07:58] <Jucato> brent: Kopete is installed by default. that lets you use MSN, Yahoo, AIM, ICQ, etc
[07:58] <brent> oh ok. i get it now. thanx heaps for your help
[07:58] <Kubuntero> brent: If you are on Kubuntu it's already installed
[07:58] <Kubuntero> brent: press alt+space
[07:58] <Kubuntero> type kopete
[07:58] <Kubuntero> press enter
[07:58] <brent> e
[07:58] <lsemple2> MrLoW__: Im sorry did you want me to remove the #kernel line from menu.lst ??
[07:59] <brent> what was the meaning of that?
[07:59] <lsemple2> I dont see the duplicate you are talking about
[08:02] <sensae> Where does Katapult read it's information from? It lists Kooka even though I uninstalled it
[08:03] <matthew> anybody know how to get my icon back to connect to wireless networks?
[08:03] <Jucato> sensae: the Application Catalog reads from the K Menu, but isn't updated automatically
[08:04] <matthew> i cannot work at coffee shops anymore.. wireless just stopped working out of the blue..
[08:04] <matthew> icon disappeared
[08:04] <sensae> Jucato: I removed it a few hours ago - I may have even rebooted. I'll just try again later
[08:04] <Jucato> sensae: do this. Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure Katapult, click OK
[08:05] <sensae> Jucato: Thanks, that fixed it
[08:07] <lsemple> ok
[08:08] <lsemple> MrLoW__you there
[08:08] <lsemple> I didnt change the menu.lst duplicate problem as there was none
[08:08] <lsemple> but I did those grub commands like you said
[08:08] <lsemple> and I still get the problem
[08:08] <lsemple> btw: quit is not a command and I dont know how to quit I just reboot
[08:12] <Kubuntero> lsemple: hmm?
[08:13] <sensae> How can I make a launcher in the K menu default to launching as root?
[08:13] <dolf> isn't it sudo shutdown now           ?
[08:13] <dolf> shutdown and then the time
[08:14] <Kubuntero> sensae: run as another user?
[08:14] <lsemple> MrLoW__you there ??
[08:14] <Kubuntero> or ksudo it
[08:14] <sensae> Kubuntero: Thanks, though it looks like I don't need to. Hm
[08:14] <sensae> For some reason QtParted can write a new partition table even when it's not ran as root?
[08:15] <lsemple> anyone want to help me with a grub issue ?
[08:15] <lsemple> I installed kubuntu to sdc1
[08:15] <lsemple> but grub is not working properly
[08:16] <lsemple2> anyone ??
[08:17] <sensae> I'm not terribly good with Grub, but can you pastebin your menu.lst?
[08:17] <sensae> And what's it doing?
[08:17] <Kubuntero> lsemple: what is it doing?
[08:17] <lsemple2> yes no prob
[08:17] <sensae> Okay someone explain this to me
[08:18] <sensae> Why does my newly formatted ext3 drive have 10 gigs in use?
[08:18] <Kubuntero> this: part of speech connector
[08:18] <sensae> Very funny.
[08:18] <lsemple2> http://pastebin.ca/1043581
[08:18] <eagles0513875> i gots a vry funny issue i just logged in and adept notifier popsup as a window on teh desktop and it just doesnt want to close
[08:19] <lsemple2> when I turn on the computer grub sais "error 15: file not found
[08:19] <lsemple2> "
[08:19] <lsemple2> so, I am guessing it doesnt know where the hd is (it is sdc1)
[08:20] <Jucato> lsemple2: when you ran find /boot/grub/stage1 earlier, what did it give you? and did you enter that in the root (hdX,X) command you were supposed to enter?
[08:20] <lsemple2> yes
[08:20] <lsemple2> (hd0,0)
[08:20] <lsemple2> I did those
[08:20] <lsemple2> quit didnt work though so I rebooted
[08:20] <Jucato> that was the result of find /boot/grub/stage1?
[08:20] <lsemple2> (hda0,0)
[08:21] <Jucato> hm.. but you say Kubuntu is on sdc1?
[08:21] <lsemple2> yes
[08:21] <Jucato> did you put /boot in a different partition?
[08:21] <lsemple2> I will check all my partitions
[08:21] <eagles0513875> lsemple2: to find out run sudo fdisk -l
[08:22] <Rozza5> How would i make kubuntu view my External monitor on a laptop,
[08:22] <Jucato> lsemple2: did you put /boot in a separate partition?
[08:22] <lsemple2> nope
[08:22] <eagles0513875> Jucato: sorry to butt in there when too many people start helping ends up causing confusion
[08:22] <lsemple2> its on /media/sdc1 just checked
[08:23] <eagles0513875> lsemple2: pastebin the fdisk -l for us please
[08:23] <cq> hello, i just uninstalled compiz, now I have no window manager... any idea what I need to reinstall?
[08:23] <Rozza5> no one helps, cq, save your breath .-.
[08:23] <cq> I just want the standard no frills KDE WM back.
[08:23] <Jucato> lsemple2: then "find /boot/grub/stage1" should be giving hd2,0... unless you have another Linux installation in hda1
[08:23] <eagles0513875> !patience | Rozza5 cq
[08:23] <Jucato> Rozza5: excuse me?
[08:23] <cq> rozza5 hm, last few times I was here I got help...
[08:23] <Jucato> that is just plain insulting
[08:23] <eagles0513875> i agree
[08:24] <lsemple2> http://pastebin.ca/1043585
[08:24] <eagles0513875> good riddence
[08:24] <Kubuntero> cq: run kwin --replace
[08:24] <lsemple2> Kubuntero: me ?
[08:24] <Jucato> lsemple2: what is in sda1?
[08:24] <lsemple2> storage
[08:24] <Jucato> lsemple2: he was addresssing cq
[08:25] <eagles0513875> lsemple2: hes talking to cq
[08:25] <lsemple2> definately no /boot on sda1
[08:25] <soof> lsemple2: sorry no internet down ...
[08:25] <lsemple2> ahh
[08:25] <MrLow> lsemple2: no luck jet
[08:25] <MrLow> :
[08:25] <lsemple2> MrLow: your back
[08:25] <MrLow> ?
[08:25] <lsemple2> nope
[08:26] <lsemple2> did those commands like you said in grub
[08:26] <lsemple2> command line
[08:26] <cq> Kubuntero: hm, i can't type in any window because it doesn't get the focus... can't do it from teh command line (ctrl-alt-f2) either becasue no connection to X server
[08:26] <MrLow> ok please paste sudo fdisk -l
[08:26] <Jucato> lsemple2: I suggest entering "root (hd2,0)" despite what find /boot/grub/stage1 says
[08:26] <Kubuntero> cq: right no alt+f2 either
[08:26] <Jucato> MrLow: http://pastebin.ca/1043585
[08:26] <Kubuntero> cq: No mouse?
[08:26] <clau30> hi. in adept, what does the kubuntu logo in front of some packages mean?
[08:26] <lsemple2> ok I will try that
[08:27] <Jucato> MrLow: that's his fdisk -l output
[08:27] <cq> mouose yes, clicks on buttons no problems, jsut no keyboard input even though focus is somettimes there (as with alt-f2)
[08:27] <lsemple2> (hd2,0) = sdc1 ?
[08:27] <Jucato> yes
[08:27] <Jucato> hd0,0 = hda1/sda1
[08:27] <eagles0513875> Jucato: would give anything to ban him after that
[08:27] <lsemple2> let me reboot and try
[08:27] <MrLow> and ls -al /boot lsemple2
[08:27] <Jucato> eagles0513875: well... we'll see
[08:28] <lsemple2> Im on the live cd again MrLow
[08:28] <eagles0513875> Jucato: lol
[08:29] <MrLow> and ls -al media/sdc1/boot lsemple2
[08:30] <Kubuntero> cq: can you alt+tab ?
[08:30] <lsemple2> ok
[08:30] <Jazman> hry
[08:30] <cq> i can copy paste in a command window,
[08:30]  * SaraSmith smiles
[08:30] <SaraSmith> my husband's computer is running :)
[08:30] <cq> trying to create a shell script and execute it via copy paste commands
[08:30] <SaraSmith> but
[08:30] <Jazman> how do u install a package u have d/loaded on your hardrive other than sudo apt
[08:31] <lsemple2> result of that command : http://pastebin.ca/1043594
[08:31] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: the suspense is killin me out with it already
[08:31] <SaraSmith> typing kdm at the root prompt did not start the gui
[08:31] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: try startx
[08:31] <SaraSmith> ok
[08:31] <SaraSmith> kewl there it goes :)
[08:31] <eagles0513875> :)
[08:31] <eagles0513875> didnt have an x server
[08:31] <lsemple2> Jucato: that command MrLow told me is outputted here http://pastebin.ca/1043594
[08:31] <Jucato> Jazman:  if it's a .deb package, you can just click on it and it should start gdebi, the GUI installer
[08:31] <Kubuntero> SaraSmith: it's /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:32] <Jazman> no its a tarbell
[08:32] <Jazman> not deb
[08:32] <Kubuntero> you mean ball
[08:32] <Jazman> deb packages are easy
[08:32] <SaraSmith> yikes
[08:32] <lsemple2> I think I will just restart and try doing (hd2,0)
[08:32] <Jazman> yep
[08:32] <SaraSmith> fatal server error , no screens found
[08:32] <cq> Kubuntero: okk, that worked, now I just have some of the toolbar icons sitting somewhere else on teh desktop instead of bottom right inteh toolbar
[08:32] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: what happened is it working
[08:32] <Kubuntero> cq: If you can't type how do you make a script?
[08:32] <Jazman> i exttract em then im  lost at what to do
[08:32] <eagles0513875> O_o try /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:33] <Jazman> a couple progs sudo apt worked
[08:33] <lsemple2> Jucato: you there ?
[08:33] <cq> from a console window, ctrl-alt-f2 and move it ti /usr/bin so it's in the $path
[08:33] <Jazman> im still a windows user being using linux for about month with xpo
[08:34] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 my friend eagle`s said cold reboot, trying that
[08:34] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: O_o try /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:34] <SaraSmith> ok when it comes up
[08:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:34] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: you on 2 comps
[08:35] <lsemple> ok
[08:35] <lsemple> I am in the grub command line thingy right now
[08:35] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: sudo init 6 to reboot lol
[08:35] <lsemple> Jucato: I do setup (hd2,0) I get "checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no"
[08:36] <lsemple> I do find /boot/grub/stage1 I get (hd0,0)
[08:36] <ubuntu_> Hello
[08:36] <lsemple> jussi01: you there ??
[08:37] <jussi01> lsemple: jes?
[08:37] <Kubuntero> cq: Ha ha
[08:37] <Jucato> eagles0513875: you need  sudo for that
[08:37] <Kubuntero> cq: So what's up now?
[08:37] <eagles0513875> Jucato: ya
[08:37] <cq> Kubuntero: i have a window manager, but the mixer and stickynotes end up on the desktop instead of in teh toolbar
[08:37] <ubuntu_> I've installed KDE 4.1 beta 1 on Ubuntu but I'm having problems... Plasma wont start, I just get a black screen and the mouse
[08:37] <Jazman> aslo how do i print labels or text with ny cannon printer a s i have a prog in win cal cd label print that does that
[08:37] <cq> Kubuntero: just rebooting to see if it fixes anything
[08:38] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 i did the command but it does not seem to have started the gui.. it's the same drive new computer dif monitor
[08:38] <lsemple> Jucato: nothing is working
[08:38] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: did you do an upgrade from gutsy to hardy
[08:38] <lsemple> ahh well
[08:38] <lsemple> I will try tomorrow
[08:38] <lsemple> goodnight
[08:38] <eagles0513875> Jucato: any idea as to how i can get rid of adept notifier its like a mini box floating on my desktop
[08:39] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 i'm not that stupid ;)
[08:39] <Jucato> eagles0513875: close it, and just run it again
[08:39] <cq> Kubuntero: ok, good enough for now, but kmix isn't in teh toolbar...
[08:39] <Pennycook> eagles0513875: killall adept_notifier
[08:39] <eagles0513875> Jucato: i cant close it its not in my bottom task bar
[08:39] <Jucato> eagles0513875: right-click -> Quit?
[08:40] <eagles0513875> Jucato: tried that wont close
[08:40] <cq> Kubuntero: ok, now everything is docking again properly, thanks
[08:40] <Jucato> try Pennycook's command then
[08:40] <eagles0513875> Pennycook: cannot find the pid for it using top its not showing up
[08:40] <eagles0513875> its wanting the pid before it kills it
[08:40] <Jucato> eagles0513875: killall doesn't need PID
[08:40] <eagles0513875> oh
[08:40] <Jucato> kill does, not killall
[08:41] <eagles0513875> gotcha i was afraid that it would kill all my processes lol
[08:41] <cq> when is kde4.1 scheduled to be out of beta, any ideas?
[08:41] <Jucato> end of July
[08:41] <cq> I'm not in the mood for 4.0 ...
[08:41] <cq> ok, thanks, i can wait that long...
[08:42] <cq> thanks for the help, i'm off...
[08:43] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 the new computer has onboard video vs the card he had.. might the drive need to be told that?
[08:43] <ubuntu_> Anyone else had a problem with plasma not starting ?\
[08:43] <Jucato> ubuntu_: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[08:43] <ubuntu_> ah kk ty
[08:45] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: im guessing its an intel chipset
[08:46] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 amd athlon
[08:46] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 4050e
[08:47] <eagles0513875> have u checked in teh restricted drivers app
[08:47] <eagles0513875> i mean in hardware drivers manager
[08:47] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 it's first startup..haven't done anything yet but it would be nice if it had the gui
[08:48] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: gotcha how old is the machine
[08:48] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 ok how?
[08:48] <SaraSmith> fresh out of the boxes
[08:48] <SaraSmith> built it
[08:48] <eagles0513875> that might be the problem
[08:49] <eagles0513875> cuz i have a simliar issue my laptop which i got back in december wouldnt work correctly and i would endup withoutx
[08:49] <SaraSmith> hmm
[08:49] <eagles0513875> i have yet to try it again since they released hardy it could eb that your hardware is just too new
[08:49] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: during bootup have you disabled acpi and dma
[08:49] <SaraSmith> i didn't
[08:50] <SaraSmith> it's gutsy
[08:50] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: try that and see if it helps at all
[08:50] <SaraSmith> ok where how?
[08:50] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: You say it's the same drive (I'm guessing same install) but with new a new graphics card etc, right?
[08:50] <SaraSmith> has onboard gui.. something we don't know what.. killed the video on the old box
[08:51] <SaraSmith> so now this is new.. and video is again not working
[08:51] <eagles0513875> Pennycook: what r the odds that the hardware is just too new
[08:51] <Pennycook> eagles0513875: If their video broke before, I doubt it.
[08:52] <eagles0513875> cuz i have a similar issue with hardy and no x
[08:52] <eagles0513875> and this is on a laptop i got back in december
[08:52] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Could possibly be a problem with your xorg.conf I suppose.  Running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" will update it
[08:52] <SaraSmith> hardy is umm broken in some respects
[08:52] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: when booting hit ctrl+alt+f1 and see if u get a pnp bios bug
[08:52] <eagles0513875> cuz thats what i used to get when i had tried hardy
[08:52] <eagles0513875> *gutsy
[08:52] <SaraSmith> ok Pennycook i'll try
[08:55] <SaraSmith> Pennycook it's not waiting for the password, it goes back to the prompt
[08:55] <SaraSmith> i typed the pass and it was saying my login was incorrect/
[08:56] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: If you've entered your sudo password correctly recently, it might not ask you for it.  As for not knowing the sudo password, I can't help there.
[08:56] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: check in teh little dropdown list that u have kde selected as what u want to log into
[08:56] <SaraSmith> i know the pass.. just it didn't let me type it before returning to the prompt
[08:57] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 we have *no* gui
[08:58] <SaraSmith> ok Pennycook it says it overwrote and saved
[08:58] <SaraSmith> what next?
[08:58]  * SaraSmith smiles
[09:00] <Pennycook> What happens if you type "startkde"
[09:02] <SaraSmith> Pennycook it says "unable to open display" said a lot of other stuff too
[09:02] <SaraSmith> done .. 5 prompts
[09:03] <Pennycook> Okay, what about if you run startx and then run startkde?
[09:03] <eagles05> !ghost
[09:03] <eagles0513875> bah y does that always happen to me
[09:04] <SaraSmith> Pennycook fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server
[09:04] <SaraSmith> :0.0"
[09:05] <Kubuntero> Jucato: night
[09:05] <SaraSmith> after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining
[09:05] <SaraSmith> sleep well
[09:05] <SaraSmith> that was to startx
[09:06] <Kubuntero> SaraSmith: thanks for the clarification :)
[09:06] <Pennycook> What does it say if you "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager"?
[09:06] <SaraSmith> ok
[09:08] <SaraSmith> Pennycook /usr/bin/kdm
[09:10] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: any useful info in dmesg
[09:13] <SaraSmith> i have no idea what 'useful' would be
[09:13] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 a lot of stuff there
[09:13] <Pennycook> I'm out of ideas, unless you fancy reinstalling X.
[09:13] <eagles0513875> try dmesg | grep X11
[09:14] <SaraSmith> ok
[09:14] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: grep Xorg
[09:14] <SaraSmith> no X11
[09:15] <eagles0513875> its xorg
[09:15] <SaraSmith> no and no
[09:16] <eagles0513875> the in var/logs look in xorg or x11 folder there has to be something in there to help us troubleshoot this
[09:16] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 tell me what to type?
[09:16] <eagles0513875> cd /var/logs
[09:17] <eagles0513875> and then there should be an xorg log
[09:17] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 you will like this: cd var/logs no such file or directory
[09:18] <cpk1> SaraSmith: do cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:18] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: somehow thats one really messed up installation
[09:18] <eagles0513875> try what cpk1 said
[09:18] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Just to clarify, is this a fresh install of Kubuntu with the new hardware?  Or is this an old installation that you've just connected to new hardware?
[09:18] <cpk1> then on the left side there will be lots of (II) and (**) if there are (EE) that is important information
[09:19] <SaraSmith> cpk1 no such file or directory
[09:20] <eagles0513875> cd /var/logs
[09:20] <cpk1> SaraSmith: are you including the / in front of var?
[09:20] <SaraSmith> cpk i did yes
[09:21] <eagles0513875> if this is a new install is it possible for x not to have been installed
[09:21] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 this is his old drive, new board, psu, chip
[09:21] <SaraSmith> and no we didn't change the os
[09:21] <cpk1> SaraSmith: ok, well hrmm... i take it you cant pastebin since you dont have X?
[09:21] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: thats the problem if the hardware has changed ur goign to need to do a clean install unless u set that old drive as a 2ndary drive
[09:21] <level1> hi, is there an alternative to scim for japanese input?
[09:21] <SaraSmith> cpk1 i don't really think it's possible
[09:22] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: you on a windows machine
[09:22] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: So an old installation?  It's possible you've got the wrong graphics drivers loaded; open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see what it says under "Driver" in the "Device" section
[09:22] <cpk1> SaraSmith: if you do "ls /var/log/" do you see anything with Xorg or X11?
[09:22] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 i'm on hubby's vista laptop
[09:22] <cpk1> you dont need a clean install from changing hardware
[09:22] <level1> every time I use scim, after I use it for about an hour, it suddenly becomes unusable, not accepting any keyboard input.  The only fix is to log out and log back in
[09:23] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: if u install putty and ssh and ull be able to access the machine from that laptop
[09:23] <eagles0513875> that way u can pastbin if needed
[09:23] <eagles0513875> *you
[09:23] <steven_> Question: sudo apt-get install anything <> Reading package lists... Done <> Building dependency tree  <> Reading state information... Done <> E: The package panda-security needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. (How can I manually remove Panda-Security or fix the problem???)
[09:24] <eagles0513875> steven_: run an apt-cache search and type in panda-security
[09:24] <eagles0513875> steven_: that way you can verify exactly what the name is of that package that is in the repo
[09:24] <SaraSmith> Pennycook cd /etc/X11/xorg.conf no such file or directory
[09:25] <steven_> sudo apt-cache search panda-security panda-security - Panda Security for Linux
[09:25] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: You don't want to cd into the file; just sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:25] <cpk1> SaraSmith: you cant cd to a file
[09:25] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: random question but are you sure your hubby didnt install the server version
[09:25] <blade> I am getting a error whenever i try to update my system or run add/remove programs. The error is as follows "E:Problem parsing dependency Depends, E:Error occurred while processing jigdo (NewVersion1), E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_universe_binary-i386_Packages, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." any idea what to do?
[09:25] <SaraSmith> oh ok
[09:25] <eagles0513875> !aptfix | blade
[09:25] <SaraSmith> eagles0513875 it *worked* 2 hours ago with the other box
[09:26] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: ok just a random thought
[09:27] <SaraSmith> Pennycook cool i'm in it :)
 sudo apt-cache search panda-security
[09:27] <steven_> panda-security - Panda Security for Linux
[09:27] <steven_> What might I be looking for eagles?
[09:27] <eagles0513875> steven_: if that comes up that is the name of the pkg u have to use when using sudo apt-get install
[09:27] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Okay, scroll down and look for Section "Device" and look for the "Driver" line.
[09:28] <cpk1> !panda-security
[09:28] <eagles0513875> !info panda-security
[09:28] <eagles0513875> O_o
[09:28] <steven_> Yea,
[09:28] <eagles0513875> steven_: u on gutsy
[09:28] <steven_> Thats my problem..
[09:28] <steven_> I'm actually running Linux Mint
[09:28] <steven_> A build off Ubuntu
[09:28] <blade> ubottu: nothing happened...except that the icon in the tray that usually means i have updates available, turned from red to grey...
[09:29] <eagles0513875> steven_: this is strictly kubuntu support
[09:29] <eagles0513875> steven_: let me see if they have their own irc channel
[09:29] <steven_> They do..
[09:29] <steven_> They are asleep
[09:29] <cpk1> so why arent you in the mint channel? you need to find the repo that you got panda from and add it back to your repo list
[09:29] <steven_> LOL
[09:29] <eagles0513875> steven_: thats where u wanna be though
[09:29] <eagles0513875> *you
[09:29] <steven_> The panda package isn't directly related to the Mint distribution..
[09:29] <steven_> Its simply a bad uninstall of it..
[09:30] <eagles0513875> i cant help u there
[09:30] <eagles0513875> steven_: did u install it from source
[09:30] <cpk1> or you could try finding a .deb and reinstalling it from that
[09:30] <cpk1> no, he didnt otherwise apt wouldnt care
[09:30] <steven_> I wondered how I might be able to remove it, manually or some how rid the system of thinking panda-security package is still installed.
[09:30] <SaraSmith> Pennycook it says it's an nvidia card .. that would be old
[09:30] <steven_> I downloaded the .deb package from panda's website. Installed and found some problems and ran a uninstall on it.
[09:31] <cpk1> aptitude *might* have a way of marking as uninstalled, you would have to read the documentation
[09:31] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Right, change the identifier to "Configured Video Device", the Driver to "vesa" and remove anything else.
[09:33] <steven_> eagles0513875: I downloaded the .deb package from panda's website. Installed and found some problems and ran a uninstall on it.
[09:33] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Just realised I should have said "from within the 'Device' section; don't remove the rest of the file.
[09:34] <SaraSmith> heh i am stuck at adding the "vesa" .. won't let me type the final quote
[09:34] <eagles0513875> steven_: is there a panda irc chat channel
[09:35] <SaraSmith> Pennycook you did want me to remove the other line before Endsection
[09:35] <OldToker> eagles0513875, he's running an *buntu flavor..
[09:35] <OldToker> just can't figure out how to get a stuck package out
[09:35] <Pennycook> SaraSmith:
[09:35] <SaraSmith> Pennycook it's not actually vim.. tricks for getting that quote in?
[09:36] <Pennycook> The "Option" line?  Yeah.  As for why you can't add the ", no idea.  What do you mean by it's not actually vim?
[09:36] <OldToker> eagles0513875, it's corrupted..
[09:37] <llutz> steven_: sudo dpkg -P panda-security && sudo apt-get -f install
[09:37] <SaraSmith> plain computers come with a vi that isn't vim.. it does weird awful things
[09:37] <OldToker> thanks llutz :)
[09:38] <steven_> llutz: sudo dpkg -P panda-security
[09:38] <steven_> dpkg: error processing panda-security (--purge):
[09:38] <steven_>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[09:38] <steven_>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[09:38] <steven_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:38] <steven_>  panda-security
[09:38] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: sudo apt-get install vim ?
[09:38] <OldToker> hey Tuxsux if Linux Sux so badly.. then head on back to Winblows.. and have your hand held.. where you don't have to excorcise your brain.
[09:39] <OldToker> steven_, I pasted you the line in yahoo
[09:39] <SaraSmith> Pennycook yeah ill try that
[09:39] <steven_> OldToker: sudo dpkg -P panda-security && sudo apt-get -f install
[09:39] <steven_> dpkg: error processing panda-security (--purge):
[09:39] <steven_>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[09:39] <steven_>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[09:39] <steven_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:39] <steven_>  panda-security
[09:39] <LinuxSux368ping> Is sad.
[09:39] <steven_> Same issue either way..
[09:39] <llutz> steven_: sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt-get -f install
[09:40] <steven_> llutz: sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt-get -f install
[09:40] <steven_> Reading package lists... Done
[09:40] <steven_> Building dependency tree
[09:40] <steven_> Reading state information... Done
[09:40] <steven_> E: The package panda-security needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:40] <Pennycook> !pastebin | steven_
[09:40] <SaraSmith> Pennycook i dunno about this.. it can
[09:40] <SaraSmith> t find the archives
[09:40] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Is it connected to the internet?
[09:41] <LinuxSux368ping> Question: How many people can honestly say they can live without windows, and if so, do so only to prove a point.
[09:41] <llutz> steven_: if all that won't work, get that -deb again from panda(?) , install it and remove/purge it then
[09:41] <HollowPoint> I live without windows at home, and not to prove a point, I live without it because I prefer Linux, not because I hate Windows, but because I prefer Linux. /End
[09:42] <LinuxSux368ping> Sound like my da -_-
[09:42] <LinuxSux368ping> *dad
[09:42] <steven_> llutz: I tried reinstalling the packaged but it keeps telling me that its corrupt.. tried multiple downloads too
[09:42] <HollowPoint> well if you're 7 years old I could quite easily be
[09:43] <LinuxSux368ping> Haha, unfortunately not HollowPoint.
[09:43] <LinuxSux368ping> 17
[09:44] <HollowPoint> was gunna say with a name like LinuxSux you can't be much older than 20 with a mental age of below 15 lol, every operating system has it's place mate, Windows is actually a very good operating system (XP that is, Vista is just crap!) as is OSX very good for it's purpose, it's purely down to personal preference with each OS
[09:44] <eagles0513875> im 21 been using linux for bout 7 8 yrs
[09:44] <steven_> llutz: Thank you for your help.
[09:44] <steven_> eagles0513875: Thank you for your help too.
[09:44] <HollowPoint> you started young eagles0513875
[09:44] <eagles0513875> steven_: no problem
[09:45] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: yep but lets take this to kubuntu-offtopic
[09:45] <llutz> !ot  OS-bashing sucks
[09:45] <eagles0513875> !os
[09:45] <eagles0513875> !bashing
[09:45] <llutz> !ot
[09:45] <HollowPoint> nah I'm done defending Linux today lol on with the errors and help topics please
[09:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:45] <jussi01> *cough*
[09:45] <LinuxSux368ping> HollowPoint, it is merely a shallow comment, Linux has many benefits. But for now, it is lacking in reliablility of many of the individual peices of software, just due to lack of money.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> !ot LinuxSux368ping
[09:46] <eagles0513875> !ot | LinuxSux368ping
[09:47] <Jucato> LinuxSux368ping: is there something Kubuntu specific that you need help with?
[09:47] <HollowPoint> guess not
[09:47] <eagles0513875> whats up with all the jerks showing up today
[09:48] <llutz> full-moon?
[09:48] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: to answer ur question i started my freshman yr in high school with suse 9.0 professional
[09:48] <SaraSmith> ok it has internet..
[09:48] <eagles0513875> llutz: at 1050am
[09:48] <HollowPoint> tell me about it, had a nightmare at work today over defending linux to complete morons, don't know why I bothered.
[09:48] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: u have x now
[09:48] <Jucato> bring'em on. I'm in the mood to kick like there's no tomorrow
[09:48] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install vim
[09:48] <eagles0513875> the best was this guy who came in saying nobody helps
[09:50] <SaraSmith> um eagles0513875 Pennycook it does not have a gui.. hence i doubt it has X running
[09:50] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: gotcha
[09:50] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: I know, I'm still trying to get you to the point that you have X running.
[09:50] <HollowPoint> cool eagles0513875; I'm now going out for a smoke, and since I'm fed up with defending that too, if anyone has a problem with it go say it in the #anti-smoking forum, which I will not be visiting btw.
[09:52] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:52] <SaraSmith> i get a LOT of
[09:52] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: If you can't install vim, try using nano instead.
[09:52] <SaraSmith> could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[09:53] <Jucato> (vim(-tiny) is part of a standard install so should be there already)
[09:54] <SaraSmith> lt installed vim something.. we can try it
[10:00] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Okay, well open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and do what I said before.
[10:04] <CoCoRiCo> hi
[10:06] <eagles0513875> hi
[10:06] <SaraSmith> Pennycook ive been trying i only know vi.. not emacs or anything
[10:07] <SaraSmith> it is NOT working in vi
[10:07] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Did you try Jucato's suggestion of vim.tiny /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[10:07] <Jucato> Pennycook: the command is "vim"
[10:08] <Jucato> (the package installed by default is vim-tiny)
[10:08] <Pennycook> Jucato: Ah okay.  Was just going by my terminal; apparently I have a vim.tiny command.
[10:08]  * Jucato didn't notice
[10:09]  * jussi01 advocates using nano -much easier imho
[10:10]  * Jucato doesn't advocate anything. was just helping with the technical issue of running/installing vim
[10:10] <jussi01> :)
[10:12]  * HollowPoint agrees with Jucato on nano :D
[10:12] <SaraSmith> ok if i use nano somebody tell me how?
[10:12] <HollowPoint> meh Jussi01*
[10:12] <Jucato> you mean jussi01
[10:12] <SaraSmith> it won't do vim or vi
[10:12] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:12] <jussi01> with sudo
[10:13] <HollowPoint> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf indeed
[10:13] <jussi01> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:13] <jussi01> :D
[10:13] <HollowPoint> I must remember that, I su in at the start of the console session for that very reason, I ALWAYS forget to do sudo lol, if I'm su'd I don't have to remember :D
[10:14] <jussi01> HollowPoint: you should use sudo -i not su, but yeah
[10:14] <HollowPoint> I prefer su
[10:14] <HollowPoint> lol
[10:14] <SaraSmith> ok i'm in nano and it let me change the lines :) do we want to remove the BusID "PCI:2:0:0" ?
[10:15] <HollowPoint> most of the time I'm using console I'm using commands that require root access and I'm comfortable enough having root enabled and being permanently in su
[10:15] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Removing anything to do with your nvidia card is probably a good idea.
[10:15] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint yes, me too but the file is not in root.. Pennycook i think there are two mentions of it
[10:16] <jussi01> HollowPoint: seriously, there are good reasons for not using su - use sudo -i it does the same thing only better
[10:16] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Clearing the "Device" section should be enough; just keep the "Configured Video Device" and change the driver to vesa.
[10:16] <llutz> Pennycook / SaraSmith  why not just "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" to reconfigure X?
[10:16]  * jussi01 was about to suggest that
[10:17] <Pennycook> llutz: I suggested that, but for some reason it didn't work.
[10:17] <HollowPoint> jussi01 I'm am I.T. engineer for a living, I don't just hobby with it. I use Kubuntu at home for it's ease and simplicity, I prefer that to extend to being su'd as well.
[10:17] <HollowPoint> it's just personal preference
[10:17] <HollowPoint> llutz I'm guessing there are problems that a default xorg.conf won't fix
[10:18] <SaraSmith> is ^X to exit and SAVE?
[10:18] <HollowPoint> no
[10:18] <HollowPoint> ^o to save
[10:18] <HollowPoint> then ^x to exit
[10:19] <HollowPoint> ^x will prompt to save or not, but if you hit the wrong key in a hurry like I sometimes do you lose all changes, safer to ^o ^x
[10:19] <llutz> ^X asks for saving if something was changed
[10:19] <HollowPoint> llutz as above mate
[10:20] <SaraSmith> control o is showing filename to save, it's not letting me control x
[10:20] <HollowPoint> ^o then enter
[10:20] <HollowPoint> then ^x
[10:20] <SaraSmith> wow it really didn't work
[10:20] <HollowPoint> if you wanted to save as a different file name you would ^o "Change the file name" then hit enter, then ^x
[10:21] <SaraSmith> is there an undo it moved things i didn't mean to
[10:21] <HollowPoint> is there a reason you're not just doing what llutz suggested earlier with sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg?
[10:21] <cpk1> my undo is usually exit without saving =P
[10:22] <Pennycook> HollowPoint: As I said, it doesn't work.  It was the first thing I suggested, for whatever reason it kept her with an nVidia card (even though there isn't one)
[10:22] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint it just didn't work
[10:22] <HollowPoint> what card do you have?
[10:22] <SaraSmith> it's a new board with onboard video
[10:22] <HollowPoint> sorry pennycook I hadn't seen you write that, my apologies
[10:22] <HollowPoint> whats the onboard video?
[10:23] <SaraSmith> and btw in mirc how do i get it to highlight on my nick?
[10:23] <SaraSmith> i use xchat
[10:24] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith what is the onboard video chipset? As for xchat I have no idea, haven't used mirc for a long time.
[10:24] <SaraSmith> the new board is ASUS M3N78-EMH HDMI
[10:25] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: to findout the chipset run lspci
[10:25] <SaraSmith> i have the boxes next to me
[10:25] <HollowPoint> thanks eagles0513875 I was waiting to see if she already knew before telling her to run that :D
[10:25] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: oh:(
[10:25] <eagles0513875> my bad
[10:25] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith, yeah but if you run lspci like eagles0513875 said you'll see a list of your devices, one will be a graphics chipset and should be reasonably obvious which one it is
[10:25] <SaraSmith> getting out of the broken file without saving in nano???
[10:26] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: im guessing since its an amd proc its an ati chipset im guessing
[10:26] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith do ^X and tell it no you don't want to save
[10:26]  * eagles0513875 back to working on my works website revampage
[10:26]  * eagles0513875 as well as trying to figure out photosho
[10:26] <eagles0513875> p
[10:26] <HollowPoint> eagles0513875 I have an AMD board with an Nvidia Chipset :D A LOT of them were NF4 and NF5
[10:27] <eagles0513875> no offense to amd but they sux
[10:27] <eagles0513875> im an intel nvidia fan
[10:27] <eagles0513875> yet both these laptops of mine r amds
[10:27] <eagles0513875> this one that has linux is ati chipset other nvidia chipset
[10:28] <HollowPoint> eagles0513875 they each have their benefits, intel are far better at mobile processors IMHO than AMD but AMD are far better at desktop and server processors, again IMHO
[10:28] <eagles0513875> i honestly have to disagree on the desktop front
[10:28] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith how are you getting on with exiting nano and running the lspci command?
[10:29] <Gavindamage> hi all, do i say in here if i have some problems? or msg someone
[10:29] <SaraSmith> i got out and ran it with |less
[10:29] <HollowPoint> eagles0513875 they run cooler, quieter, use less power (I mean that litterally in kWh) and they have faster hyperthreading speeds. :D
[10:29] <SaraSmith> but everything seems to think it's using nVidia
[10:29] <HollowPoint> if it says nvidia in lspci then it is nvidia
[10:29] <HollowPoint> or at least thats the chipset Linux is seing
[10:30] <HollowPoint> hold on let me research the board model you gave earlier
[10:30] <SaraSmith> 0:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation Unkowndevice 0759 (rev a1)
[10:30] <eagles0513875> O_o
[10:30] <eagles0513875> thats not gd
[10:31] <HollowPoint> it has nvidia 8200 GeForce chipset
[10:31] <HollowPoint> which means you need the latest nvidia drivers
[10:31] <Gavindamage> well. ive installed kubuntu 8.04 on an ibook g4, and having some problems with the display.. i got the 3d acceleration going, but dual head isnt playing nice
[10:31] <SaraSmith> same USB device same IDE interface
[10:32] <SaraSmith> Gavindamage welcome
[10:32] <SaraSmith> 8.04 generally has some issues at first
[10:32] <eagles0513875> SaraSmith: i beg to differ on older hardware it works fine no problems
[10:33] <Gavindamage> most other things are going sweet,
[10:33] <eagles0513875> newer hardware ull run into issues
[10:33] <HollowPoint> I would suggest the following : run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, then with the default xorg.conf file back in place do "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg,conf" and find the device section, then edit the driver part which says nvidia to say nv, if it says nv then exit nano and try typing "startx"
[10:33] <eagles0513875> *youll
[10:33] <Gavindamage> i just want to use the ibook to play vids on the tele
[10:33] <Jazman> i can i install non deb packages i d/l onto my hard drive
[10:34] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint how about we try downloading that replacer, now that it's hooked up to the web?
[10:34] <HollowPoint> that should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf btw and not /etc/X11/xorg,conf I've had a long day and can't type lol
[10:34] <HollowPoint> replacer?
[10:34] <HollowPoint> as in the nvidia driver?
[10:34] <SaraSmith> you suggested and Pennycook said we had tried it.. i bet that was before we remembered to attach the net cable
[10:35] <HollowPoint> I'd still recommend getting the xorg.conf file back to default first, once you have an X server working you can install the proprietary driver later
[10:35] <SaraSmith> ok then i'll do that but i don't want to try to edit until something works better
[10:35] <SaraSmith> it FOUGHT me
[10:35] <SaraSmith> ive ssh'd into some pretty weird servers but this was bad
[10:36] <HollowPoint> lol, I strongly recommend getting the xorg.conf file back to default, then run startx and see if x will start, if it won't then reboot and try startx again, once X is running (Assuming it does that is) you can visit the nvidia site, download the latest nvidia driver in .deb form and install from the GUI
[10:37] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith did your
[10:37] <HollowPoint> meh
[10:38] <SaraSmith> i'm typing all that
[10:38] <HollowPoint> .... did your X server EVER work? or has it been in console ever since install?
[10:38] <Gavindamage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19004/ this is my current xorg.conf that works..
[10:38] <Gavindamage> im guessing thats what the pastebin is for>
[10:38] <Gavindamage> ?
[10:39] <SaraSmith> 1. the video died on his OLD box(2) he put the drive etc back into his OLDER box (1) both of them have been working fine until a few hours ago when he put the drive into his new box (3) .. sigh
[10:40] <HollowPoint> he? lol
[10:40] <SaraSmith> i did not save ANY changes to his xorg conf
[10:41] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint my husband can't speak hear or write due to a stroke, he's a retired computer professional, our son is one of the creators of debian and i'm mom.. i'm an artist . i do this cause nobody else is here .. the kid moved to texas
[10:43] <HollowPoint> lmfao I'm speaking to the mother of one of the Debian creators?!?!?!? Wickid, your son would be one of my heros :D
[10:43] <Gavindamage> who do i talk to for some support in here?
[10:43] <HollowPoint> whats happening Gavindamage?
[10:44] <Pennycook> Gavindamage: Nobody in particular.  You just ask your question.
[10:44] <Gavindamage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19004/
[10:44] <Gavindamage>  my xorg.conf is there
[10:44] <HollowPoint> Gavindamage, I saw that earlier but not sure why we need to look at it?
[10:44] <Gavindamage> i got it from somewhere on the ubuntuforums
[10:44] <Gavindamage> oh right.
[10:44] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint he was the last employee at loiki games and yes.. we love him too
[10:44] <Gavindamage> sorry. im trying to get dual head going
[10:44] <Gavindamage> with this ibook
[10:44] <DarkriftX> anyone know easiest way to install firefox 3?
[10:44] <HollowPoint> :D SaraSmith I run Debian based everything pretty much lol. Kubuntu and Debian systems through and through :D
[10:45] <Gavindamage> pretty newbie aye.
[10:45] <HollowPoint> DarkriftX open the package manager, search for firefox and then select firefox 3.0 to install
[10:45] <DarkriftX> hrmmmm
[10:45] <DarkriftX> i tried apt-get :S
[10:46] <DarkriftX> figured that would work if it was a package
[10:46] <llutz> DarkriftX: sudo apt-get install firefox-3
[10:46] <DarkriftX> ahhh, -
[10:46] <HollowPoint> Gavindamage you're using a mac book?
[10:46] <DarkriftX> still nogo
[10:46] <Gavindamage> do i need to just add a section in the xorg.conf for another screen?
[10:46] <DarkriftX> illl try search
[10:46] <Gavindamage> ibook g4 1066mhz
[10:47] <Gavindamage> ive searched a lot on the topic
[10:47] <HollowPoint> :s not sure how to configure an ibook for dual screens Gavin, if no one hear can help google for "mac book linux dual screen"
[10:47] <DarkriftX> lol
[10:47] <llutz> !info firefox-3
[10:47] <DarkriftX> it was -3.0
[10:47] <Gavindamage> and there was some guy had a site up, with successful xorg.conf files
[10:47] <llutz> ah, sry
[10:47] <Gavindamage> but all his links were broken
[10:47] <DarkriftX> np, thx
[10:47] <eagles0513875> x is acting kida screwy for me
[10:47] <DarkriftX> made me look harder
[10:48] <HollowPoint> eagles0513875 whats happening?
[10:48] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: its doing what happened before to me with adept notifier creats a desktop box and just sits there cant close it cant nothing unless i use killall
[10:48] <HollowPoint> Gavindamage unfortunately dual screens are still not something Linux does easily, it requires some configuration, I could help with Nvidia and ATi but never had to do it on an ibook
[10:48] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint: Fatal server error:
[10:48] <SaraSmith> no screens found
[10:48] <SaraSmith> XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[10:49] <HollowPoint> eagles0513875 I used to get that problem on Feisty, it's dissapeared in Gutsy, which version are you using?
[10:49] <Gavindamage> oh woops i shoulda said. they have ati radeon 9200 mobility
[10:49] <Gavindamage> chipsets in them
[10:49] <eagles0513875> hardy
[10:49] <eagles0513875> hardy with kernel 2.6.24.18
[10:49] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith, reboot if you can, see if X loads, if not then try startx from the console session and see if you get the same error
[10:49] <SaraSmith> this is startx from the console
[10:49] <SaraSmith> we can but try
[10:50] <Gavindamage> http://www.alessandroronchi.net/wiki/LinuxOnIBookG4
[10:50] <Gavindamage> this site
[10:50] <HollowPoint> eagles0513875 sorry I meant Gutsy used to have it and Hardy doesn't have it for me, don't think it's X that is the problem, I think it's adept, try sudo apt-get update
[10:50] <eagles0513875> both amaroks seem to be borked for me now
[10:50] <Gavindamage> thought id found the holy grail, then the links were broken! gutted
[10:50] <HollowPoint> there is a special command to update the adept installer and it's associated packages but I can't remember what it is...... anyone else ?
[10:51] <eagles0513875> cpp g++ gcc have updates available
[10:51] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith, I know what you mean but I've found previously that occassionally after re-configuring xorg.conf the system won't load the X server until I've rebooted :s
[10:52] <Gavindamage> oh well. while im here i might aswell ask about flash. im sure i installed gnash but flash wont work in my firefox
[10:52] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint same error
[10:53] <haryono> kubuntu indonesia jakarta how to get there?
[10:53] <SaraSmith> glaring at it not having any effect.. Zeph used to SCARE them
[10:53] <HollowPoint> you'll need to search for mozilla in the package manager Gavindamage, then you'll see a package which describes itself as flash package for mozilla-firefox, I warn you flash is flakey in Firefox 3
[10:54] <SaraSmith> in *hardy* flash is finally working in my firefox on my box.. only the sound is still broken since my upgrade to hardy.l
[10:54] <haryono> why my screen got blur all the font unclear?
[10:54] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith, not good, if you type "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and look at the device section which driver is it trying to use?
[10:55] <haryono> how to join irc jakarta indonesia chat room?
[10:55] <HollowPoint> haryono you may not be using the correct graphics driver. Has this just happened after it was working or is this after a fresh install?
[10:55] <Gavindamage> when i follow the install missing plugins
[10:55] <Gavindamage> button
[10:55] <Gavindamage> it doesnt find anything
[10:55] <elsinore> ciao
[10:55] <Gavindamage> to install
[10:55] <Gavindamage> .
[10:55] <haryono> just happen it was good
[10:55] <HollowPoint> yeah flash needs to be installed manually Gavindamage
[10:55] <eagles0513875> !it | elsinore
[10:56] <Gavindamage> thats the thing im sure i did it.
[10:56] <SaraSmith> Section "Device" (newline) Identifier "nVidia Corporation NVIDIA Default Card" (newline) Driver "nv" (newline) BusID "PCI:2:0:0"
[10:56] <Gavindamage> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-kubuntu-8.04-lts
[10:56] <Gavindamage> i followed that thing
[10:56] <HollowPoint> open up your package manager and check that the flash package for firefox is installed and more importantly for the one you have
[10:56] <Gavindamage> and did all that.
[10:56] <cpk1> haryono:  #ubuntu-id i think
[10:56] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith looks like we'll need to install the latest drivers, bare with me please
[10:56] <haryono> ubuntu-id i think
[10:57] <cpk1> !indonesia
[10:57] <haryono> cpk where do i have to type that?
[10:57] <elsinore> eagles0513875: thanks
[10:57] <llutz> haryono: type :    /j #ubuntu-id
[10:57] <Gavindamage> do i apt-get install gnash
[10:57] <cpk1> or just click on it
[10:57] <HollowPoint> no open the GUI for the package manager and search for flash, then select the one that suggests it is a flash plugin for firefox
[10:58] <HollowPoint> are you using firefox 2.0 or 3.0
[10:58] <HollowPoint> ?
[10:58] <haryono> ok thanks
[10:58] <Gavindamage> 2 i think
[10:58] <Gavindamage> let me check
[10:58] <SaraSmith> i shall wait for you HollowPoint
[10:58] <Gavindamage> 2.0.0.14
[10:58] <HollowPoint> speaking of which my firefox 3.0 beta just packed up lmfao
[10:58] <SaraSmith> heh
[10:59] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith are you on 32 bit Linux or 64?
[10:59] <SaraSmith> 64
[10:59] <SaraSmith> he likes it
[10:59] <HollowPoint> :'(
[11:00] <HollowPoint> You cannot believe how much I'm crying right now
[11:00] <SaraSmith> i know.. my box too
[11:00] <eagles0513875> im on 64 as well
[11:00] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: have u had her try blacklist the other driver
[11:00] <SaraSmith> atm my opera is Very broken
[11:01] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith the main problem we are going to encounter here is that Nvidia do NOT make a driver for Linux which supports the 8200 Chipset
[11:01] <HollowPoint> on either 32 or 64bit Linux
[11:01] <SaraSmith> our son ordered the parts for this box.. it HAS to work ;)
[11:02] <Gavindamage> should i be installing gnash or is there a better one
[11:02] <HollowPoint> so the best chance we have is either forcing it to use the driver which supports the 8400GS (Although I'm doubting that works or Nvidia would list it as working but flakey) or using the Vesa (Generic) Linux driver
[11:02] <SaraSmith> strangeness
[11:03] <HollowPoint> grah there is no .deb package from Nvidia for that driver either
[11:03] <SaraSmith> it's 6 am here and about 4 am in texas i think..
[11:03] <HollowPoint> it's 10pm here, I've been working all day lol
[11:03] <SaraSmith> australia?
[11:03] <Jazman> how do i install non deb packages that i have d/l from hard drive got hardy
[11:03] <Jazman> 10 pm must be nz
[11:04] <Gavindamage> word up im in nz :)
[11:04] <Jazman> oz is 8 pm
[11:04] <SaraSmith> ahh
[11:04] <MrLow_> Jazman: whats the package
[11:05] <Jazman> some cover one
[11:05] <MrLow_> Jazman: ??
[11:05] <HollowPoint> NZ
[11:05] <HollowPoint> lol
[11:05] <HollowPoint> right then SaraSmith
[11:05] <Jazman> im on windows now but i d/l a few progs bitchx and a few
[11:06] <Gavindamage> when i try to install the mozilla gnash plugin, synaptic kicks me out cos its getting stuck on some random openoffice package?
[11:06] <Jazman> sudo apt no good
[11:06] <SaraSmith> you are awesome HollowPoint
[11:06] <MrLow_> use apt-get to install bitchx
[11:06] <HollowPoint> Go to your home directory and type "wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.05/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.05-pkg2.run"
[11:06] <Jazman> no sudo
[11:06] <HollowPoint> Gavindamage don't install gnash
[11:07] <HollowPoint> just install the flash plugin
[11:07] <Jazman> what about stuff that aint on repos that i decied to d/l of sourceforge
[11:07] <HollowPoint> Gavindamge sudo apt-get install swfdec-mozilla
[11:08] <HollowPoint> then restart Firefox
[11:08] <HollowPoint> what program Jazman/
[11:08] <HollowPoint> ?
[11:08] <MrLow_> -bitchx is not in debian anymore Jazman use weechat or irssi
[11:08] <Gavindamage> oh sweet thanks pal
[11:08] <HollowPoint> np Gavindamage
[11:09] <simi> here is my /etc/fstab http://pastebin.com/mf80f130 i have kubuntu hardy, i want to make the fat partition to be writebe  and mounted at boot time
[11:09] <Jazman> use x chat on win and konversdion on kde
[11:09] <DarkriftX> ff3 isnt bad
[11:10] <Jazman> but also i plan to d/l stuff not on repos so loke windows looking for easy way to install new to linux
[11:10] <HollowPoint> DarkriftX it's not bad but it certainly has it's flaws, mine has just ballsed up in the last half hour, all I did was google something
[11:10] <HollowPoint> Jazman it all depends on the package you download
[11:10] <Jazman> most media stuff
[11:10] <MrLow_> well Jazman as soon as you know what you want and what the package ending is tell us this is too silly for me
[11:11] <HollowPoint> yeah but it still depends what the package is, there isn't a definitive way to install binaries in Linux as they come in many forms
[11:11] <Jazman> ]well im used to self installers
[11:11] <Gavindamage> hmm same thing. it seems something is clogging up my package manager..
[11:11] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith you managed to grab that file?
[11:11] <Gavindamage> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:11] <Gavindamage>  openoffice.org-writer2latex
[11:11] <Jazman> just go to sight d/l then install
[11:12] <Gavindamage> why would it be trying to install this (and failing) anytime i try to install something.. or does the flash actually need that
[11:12] <Jazman> also how can i print on my cds and dvds with cannon printer in win i use cd label print
[11:12] <HollowPoint> Gavindamage, I'd try a reboot at that point, I know my Kubuntu install did a LOT of updates earlier, could be that for once Linux actually does need a reboot before you can install other packages which may have dependencies
[11:12] <Gavindamage> ok ill try that..
[11:13] <Gavindamage> ill be back :)
[11:13] <HollowPoint> Jazman you may not be able to, Canon printers don't seem to be well supported in Linux, we have a VERY good canon printer here and works perfectly in Windows but Linux CANNOT print to it
[11:13] <Gavindamage> like just restart kde?
[11:13] <Gavindamage> or 'restart' the computer
[11:13] <Jazman> well i can print with it not usre about labels
[11:13] <HollowPoint> nah go for the full reboot mate
[11:13] <Gavindamage> sweet cher
[11:13] <HollowPoint> np
[11:13] <Jazman> thus the need for me to stay wioth dual boot
[11:13] <HollowPoint> going for a smoke peeps, back in 3
[11:14] <Jucato> HollowPoint: #anti-smoking ;)
[11:15] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint did you test that link? this thing says it couldn't find us.download.nvidia.com
[11:16] <SaraSmith> i get file not found on firefox on this windows box too
[11:17] <apparle> Hi guys  :)
[11:19] <SaraSmith> hi apparle :)
[11:19] <DarkriftX> damnit, all links to firebug 1.1 (ff3 compat) are on getfirebug.com which is down :@
[11:20] <HollowPoint> lol Jucato
[11:20] <SaraSmith> DarkriftX do you suppose getfirebug is on the same server as the nvidia drivers?
[11:20] <Jucato> HollowPoint: 6 minutes
[11:20] <DarkriftX> lol, who knows
[11:20] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith, interesting, if I do that exact command "wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.05/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.05-pkg2.run" I get a download
[11:20] <haryono> how to make my screen back to normal ? its font got unclear
[11:21] <HollowPoint> Jucato, was talking to the missus while smoking, it slows the whole process down
[11:21] <eagles0513875> hey everyone
[11:21] <HollowPoint> wb eagles0513875
[11:21] <GavinDamage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19010/ i notice that the flash things are already installed..
[11:21] <Jucato> HollowPoint: hehehe
[11:21] <Pennycook> SaraSmith: Have you actually got DNS at all?  You weren't able to resolve the hostname of the Ubuntu package servers earlier, were you?
[11:22] <GavinDamage> anyone know why flash wouldnt be working then? maybe i shoudl reinstall firefox or upgrade to 3
[11:22] <HollowPoint> we're moving house in 48 hours time so in an attempt to hand the house back to the estate agents "smoke free" since everyone is so paranoid about it here in NZ we're smoking outside, and considering it's winter here it's a bit BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[11:22] <GavinDamage> shit yes, its cold in nz atm alrite
[11:22] <HollowPoint> SaraSmith, try the following command "ping www.google.com"
[11:23] <HollowPoint> does it resolve an IP address?
[11:23] <SaraSmith> HollowPoint wb /me sends you Georgia air
[11:23] <HollowPoint> lol thanks, I'm English so I don't find it quite as cold as the Kiwis do, more like spring to me, but it's still chilli after the NZ summer
[11:23] <SaraSmith> ping unknown host www.google.com
[11:23] <HollowPoint> grah
[11:23] <HollowPoint> ok
[11:24] <HollowPoint> try "ping 74.125.19.99"
[11:24] <HollowPoint> see if you get a reply
[11:24] <SaraSmith> ok
[11:24] <Jazman> hollo how cold
[11:25] <HollowPoint> about 6c atm I think
[11:25] <Jazman> what part of nz family from cc
[11:25] <SaraSmith> i'm wondering if it's actually connected "Network is unreachable" sorry HollowPoint
[11:26] <HollowPoint> np
[11:26] <HollowPoint> try "ifconfig" and do a pastebin with the results please?
[11:26] <SaraSmith> i think we are going to curl up and go to bed.. i'll do that though :)
[11:27] <SaraSmith> if it's not seeing the net.. how am i going to paste?
[11:27] <HollowPoint> good point
[11:27] <SaraSmith> let
[11:27] <SaraSmith> s try it later
[11:27] <HollowPoint> lol ok, good luck with it :D
[11:27] <SaraSmith> have a good evening :)
[11:27] <HollowPoint> likeiwse
[11:27] <SaraSmith> thanks a LOT
[11:27] <HollowPoint> likewise*
[11:27] <SaraSmith> :)
[11:27] <HollowPoint> np SaraSmith, anytime
[11:30] <apparle_> rgh
[11:31] <GavinDamage> anyone know why my apt-get would get stuck on the openoffice latex2writer package>
[11:31] <GavinDamage> ?
[11:31] <GavinDamage> i tried removing it, but got some errors about locks.. but i dont have any of office open
[11:31] <GavinDamage> i dont think..
[11:31] <HollowPoint> still doing it after the reboot GavinDamage?
[11:31] <GavinDamage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19010/
[11:32] <GavinDamage> yep
[11:32] <GavinDamage> really wierd
[11:32] <GavinDamage> weird
[11:32] <HollowPoint> ah you're getting an error when you open up the adept package manager about the file not being able to get a secure lock/
[11:32] <HollowPoint> ?
[11:32] <GavinDamage> the flash packages are already installed
[11:32] <GavinDamage> but mozilla isnt working with flash.
[11:32] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmm
[11:32] <GavinDamage> yeah, *and* when i run the apt-get  it looks like it want s to tidy up
[11:33] <GavinDamage> with this openoffice package that might be half installed or something
[11:33] <GavinDamage> and always fails..
[11:33] <HollowPoint> what happens if you run "sudo apt-get update" ?
[11:33] <jussi01> GavinDamage: try running sudo apt-get install -f
[11:34] <GavinDamage> running update atm
[11:34] <GavinDamage> its going thru a bunch of repositories by the looks
[11:34] <HollowPoint> right, have you tried sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org?
[11:35] <GavinDamage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19015/
[11:35] <GavinDamage> this is what update returned
[11:36] <jussi01> ok
[11:36] <apparle> I have bought an mp3 player which has lyrics function. The site has this tutorial http://www.transcendusa.com/Support/FAQ/FAQ_Print.asp?FAQNo=617 Can you suggest anything in linux. I wanna create .LRC files
[11:36] <HollowPoint> yikes, it's complaining that the ssl certificate to identify with the nz server is not present
[11:37] <HollowPoint> if you open the adept package manager GUI are you still getting a "cannot get a lock" message?
[11:37] <GavinDamage> and -f didnt do anything that looked bad
[11:38] <GavinDamage> told me to uninstall some paclkaged
[11:38] <GavinDamage> s
[11:38] <GavinDamage> packages
[11:38] <GavinDamage> some linux headers packages, im uninstalling them.
[11:38] <GavinDamage> um ill have a alok
[11:38] <GavinDamage> look
[11:38] <HollowPoint> ok
[11:39] <DarkriftX> ok, found like 10 guides that say "sudo apt-get install firebug" but im getting nothing found
[11:39] <DarkriftX> i thought i had all the main repos added, what else am i missing?
[11:39] <HollowPoint> did you restart firefox after installing the swfdec-mozilla plugin?
[11:40] <jussi01> !info firebug
[11:40] <GavinDamage> yeah i restarted the whole computer
[11:40] <GavinDamage> the drivers were already installed about a week ago i think
[11:40] <DarkriftX> ahh, i have 7.10 still
[11:40] <DarkriftX> so guess i cant get it
[11:40] <jussi01> !info firebug gutsy
[11:40] <HollowPoint> Sorry GavinDamage I meant DarkriftX
[11:40] <GavinDamage> oh sorry
[11:40] <DarkriftX> unless i can find it in the package
[11:40] <DarkriftX> in the feed*
[11:41] <jussi01> DarkriftX: I wouldnt suggest using a hardy package on gutsy
[11:41] <jussi01> its likely it wont work anyway
[11:41] <HollowPoint> DarkriftX "sudo apt-get install libswfdec-0.6-90"
[11:41] <DarkriftX> i c
[11:41] <DarkriftX> couldnt find package
[11:42] <jussi01> !find libswfdec gutsy
[11:42] <HollowPoint> ok "sudo apt-get install libflash-mozplugin"
[11:43] <apparle> Anybody can tell me how to create .lrc lyrics files for my mp3 player
[11:44] <HollowPoint> sorry apparle no, you may be better off googling something like that, someone else here may know but I'd say that was a pretty specific request that unless someone has actually done it they probably don't know how to.
[11:44] <DarkriftX> ok, that worked
[11:44] <DarkriftX> what does that give me?
[11:44] <apparle> does amarok support lyrics function
[11:45] <HollowPoint> DarkriftX thought it might
[11:45] <HollowPoint> thats the flash plugin for Mozilla browsers
[11:45] <DarkriftX> ok
[11:45] <HollowPoint> restart firefox and see if flash works
[11:45] <DarkriftX> i had flash installed
[11:45] <DarkriftX> was looking for firebug
[11:45] <HollowPoint> aaaaaaaaaaah
[11:45] <HollowPoint> what did you want firebug for?
[11:46] <DarkriftX> i use it when editing my pages
[11:46] <HollowPoint> fair enough
[11:46] <HollowPoint> how are you getting along with Flash GavinDamage?
[11:46] <apparle> HollowPoint: does amarok support lyrics display function
[11:46] <eagles0513875> !firebug
[11:46] <eagles0513875> !info firebug
[11:46] <DarkriftX> well, my flash dropdown menus do look better now lol
[11:46] <HollowPoint> I don't think so apparle but I can't be certain as I've never tried
[11:46] <GavinDamage> apt-get told me openoffice.org isnt installed..
[11:46] <jussi01> apparle: yes amarok supports lyrics through a plugin
[11:46] <GavinDamage> this is bizzare
[11:47] <HollowPoint> aha, thanks jussi01 :D
[11:47] <GavinDamage> this was when i ran the apt-get remove openoffice.org
[11:47] <apparle> jussi01: Can you tell me the link of the plugin information
[11:47] <jussi01> apparle: 1 moment
[11:47] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmmm GavinDamage if you type "sudo apt-get install libflash-mozplugin" what response do you get?
[11:47] <jussi01> apparle: for creating lrc files, this program seems to do it:
[11:47] <jussi01> !info gnome-subtitles
[11:48] <jussi01> apparle: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/lrcShow-II?content=71983
[11:49] <GavinDamage> hmm yep i did that HollowPoint and it seems to have installed it
[11:50] <HollowPoint> ok and if you restart firefox do you get flash working/
[11:50] <HollowPoint> ?
[11:50] <GavinDamage> nope
[11:50] <HollowPoint> god damn you lol
[11:50] <HollowPoint> I forget are you using firefox 2.x or 3.0?
[11:50] <GavinDamage> 2
[11:51] <GavinDamage> maybe i should uninstall it and put 3 on
[11:51] <GavinDamage> which id probably do soon
[11:51] <jussi01> GavinDamage: are you just tring to install flash?
[11:51] <GavinDamage> anyway..
[11:51] <HollowPoint> 3 is even flakier with flash right now imo
[11:51] <GavinDamage> ah ok
[11:51] <GavinDamage> heh
[11:51] <GavinDamage> well it tells me flash is installed
[11:51] <jussi01> GavinDamage: 64 or 32 bit?
[11:51] <HollowPoint> he has flash installed jussi01 it just isn't working
[11:51] <GavinDamage> but its not working
[11:51] <GavinDamage> ppc
[11:51] <jussi01> ahhh
[11:51] <simi> hi, i want to add write permision to a group of a folder with this command sudo chmod  g+w /media/BIG   but it does not working
[11:52] <jussi01> GavinDamage: you may want to join #ubuntu-ppc - they may be able to help better
[11:52] <GavinDamage> oh right
[11:52] <GavinDamage> wasnt aware of that channel
[11:52] <apparle> jussi01: the link doesn't say anything about creating .lrc files ??? Is it possible
[11:52] <GavinDamage> cheers
[11:52] <HollowPoint> didn't know that group existed either lol
[11:52] <jussi01> GavinDamage: mind, its fairly quiet in there so be patient
[11:52] <GavinDamage> heh
[11:52] <GavinDamage> all good.
[11:54] <blauzahl> typing about:plugins into the urlbar of konqueror will tell you what flash version you have :)
[11:54] <GavinDamage> hopefully they can help me with my display config too
[11:55] <HollowPoint> simi try "sudo chmod 766 /media/BIG/"
[11:56] <HollowPoint> if you want the permissions to apply to all files and folders inside that folder change the command to "sudo chmod -R 766 /media/BIG/
[11:56] <simi> what is 766?
[11:56] <simi> i do not enderstend wekk how to use chmod?
[11:56] <simi> i will read again
[11:56] <HollowPoint> it allows the owner of the file (probably root) to read, write and execute and allows users and groups to read, and write but not execute
[11:57] <Dr_willis> Theres some very well done chmod tutorials out on the web. that show  what the weird # mean. :)
[11:57] <HollowPoint> the first number is the permissions for the owner, second number is the permissions for group and the third is permissions for others
[11:57] <GavinDamage> incase i dont need to come back in here and i forget, thanks for you help guys.
[11:57] <HollowPoint> seeya GavinDamage
[11:59] <jussi01> apparle: see the first program I recomended gnome-subtitles
[11:59] <jussi01> !info gnome-subtitles | apparle
[11:59] <simi> HollowPoint: i used that command on a file and made an ls-l and nothing changed, i test again with my entire partition
[12:01] <apparle> jussi01: nothing based on QT (KDE) ?? anyway thanks
[12:01] <jussi01> apparle: not that I know of - I found that through google
[12:01] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. if we are trying to change the permissions of a mountpoint. It depends on the filesystem of themountpoint also.
[12:02] <HollowPoint> Dr_willis, it depends on if you have write permissions to the mountpoint
[12:02] <HollowPoint> and how you have mounted it
[12:02] <Dr_willis> HollowPoint,  and the filesystem. :) we aint trying to chmod a vfat filesystem are we? I missed the original problem
[12:02] <HollowPoint> if you have an NTFS mount which has Windows on it that gets used in a dual-boot scanario then it's not a great idea to have it writeable in Linux
[12:03] <HollowPoint> he hasn't explained in that much detail tbh Dr_willis
[12:03] <Dr_willis> Heh..
[12:03] <Dr_willis> Linux SUpport tip #1 - Explain your problem in detail, but be concise, and precice. :)
[12:05] <simi> HollowPoint: now i do not have read permision but the ls-l outpus is not changed, this is strange, i will read again the documentation
[12:06] <Dr_willis> simi,  It may be a good idea to clarify/summarize the exact problem.  Its possible we missed some imporntant bit of info.
[12:06] <nickishappy> my virtual terminals aren't working in hardy with an intel card
[12:06] <nickishappy> any suggestions?
[12:06] <Dr_willis> virtual terminals?
[12:07] <nickishappy> you know, when you go ctrl+alt+F1 through F6
[12:07] <Dr_willis> those are the 'consoles'
[12:07] <nickishappy> I also don't see the boot splash
[12:08] <nickishappy> both are pretty much the same problem
[12:08] <Dr_willis> often video card drivers can 'conflict' with the consoles.  I normally disable the bootsplash, and framebuffer, and they come back in such cases of conflict
[12:09] <nickishappy> I will try disabling the fremebuffer
[12:09] <nickishappy> if it doesn't work I'll be back
[12:10] <Boohbah> sudo kill -9 `ps aux |grep ktorrent |awk {'print $2'}`
[12:10] <simi> HollowPoint:  i have a partition that i do not have write permision, and i want to give to the group root or all write and executable permisions
[12:12] <HollowPoint> what is the partition?
[12:12] <HollowPoint> ntfs, ext2/3, FAT32?
[12:12] <simi> FAT
[12:12] <simi> it is mounted
[12:12] <HollowPoint> ouch
[12:13] <simi> i fixed it to have read permisions
[12:13] <HollowPoint> anyone got experience with mounting FAT partitions? I haven't done one for about 7 years and the mount process has changed considerably since then
[12:13] <simi> it is mounted ok
[12:13] <simi> just i can't give me permisons
[12:14] <HollowPoint> simi there are different methods to mount a partition which will either allow you to or not allow you to change permissions from within Linux on Windows proprietary file systems
[12:14] <simi> i tried dolphin but it always shows 0%
[12:14] <HollowPoint> for example you can mount NTFS partitions in such a way that it is impossible to write to it, this is to ensure that you cannot overwrite data that a Windows installation may rely on
[12:15] <simi> i mounted using rw flag
[12:15] <HollowPoint> I believe FAT partitions will have similar mount options for similar reasons, unfortunately I have done a FAT mount for a LONG time and I would rather someone with experience in it helped you and got it right rather than me recommending something incorrectly
[12:18] <HollowPoint> ok from what I can gather you should mount the partition as follows
[12:18] <simi> i wil google for answer, but root has write permisions, i tried from gui to change the permisons for a file , it seams to work(no error message)but in fact changes are not saved
[12:20] <HollowPoint> "sudo mount -t vfat -o iocharset+utf8,umask=766 /dev/sda1 /media/BIG" You will need to replace /dev/sda1 with the actual location of the partition obviously but that should mount the partition with the permissions to allow read and write access to group and others while allowing root to have read, write and execute permissions
[12:20] <HollowPoint> I don't guarantee that to be 100% accurate however so please do not execute it if you are unsure of what the result may be
[12:20] <HollowPoint> mounting Windows filesystems is something you should take great care with
[12:21] <HollowPoint> and iocharset+utf8 should be iocharset=utf8 I misstyped it
[12:22] <simi> ok, i will analize this\
[12:22] <HollowPoint> !mount
[12:23] <HollowPoint> !ntfs
[12:23] <HollowPoint> !vfat
[12:23] <HollowPoint> !fat32
[12:23] <HollowPoint> lol goody
[12:33] <steven__> hi
[12:33] <HollowPoint> hi
[12:33] <xt828> !skype
[12:34] <steven__> does anyone out there no how i can get my wlan stick to work
[12:34] <will_> what's the problem ?
[12:35] <steven__> it cant be found and the install cd is win.....
[12:35] <will_> do you try to install the driver from the web and after that use the command "ndiswrapper" ?
[12:36] <steven__> its a netgear stick wg111v2
[12:36] <will_> ok
[12:37] <will_> do you know where the driver is located ?
[12:37] <will_> (sorry if my english is not very good, i'm french ^^)
[12:37] <steven__> no
[12:37] <will_> ok so first try to find the driver of the stick on the web
[12:38] <will_> try to look on the site of netgear i don't
[12:38] <will_> know
[12:38] <steven__> ok ill try to do something on line, thanks
[12:43] <frybye> steven___ looking for   linux netgear wg111v2 on google threw up some perhaps interesting stuff...
[12:43] <HollowPoint> frybye he's long gone mate
[12:44] <will_> hum, i need some help, please
[12:44] <will_> i'm a beginner
[12:45] <will_> can somebody help me, i'm trying to join a particular channel
[12:45] <Pici> will_: What channel?
[12:45] <stefanos> hi
[12:45] <will_> hi stefanos
[12:45] <reese> hi! how do I disable the kdewallet daemon?
[12:45] <will_> i found the adress on the web
[12:46] <will_> it is : irc://rizon.net/stylish-fansub
[12:46] <will_> is it a correct format of adress for irc ?
[12:46] <windmartz> halo
[12:46] <stefanos> a want to use ekiga to do some video conferencing stuff, but the other pc uses windows vista. which program should the other user use? (a simple one preferebly)
[12:47] <stefanos> i don't want to use skype or msn either
[12:47] <Pici> will_: kind of... thats a certain way of representing an irc server/channel.  Do this: /connect rizon.net     then once thats connected, do: /join #stylish-fansub
[12:47] <will_> ok thank you pici
[12:47] <will_> i'm going to try
[12:55] <frybye> hi I have the current v3 of kde installed and am considering getting the new release of kde4 - can I install that somehow parallel to the kde3 and switch between them as needed???
[12:57] <Dragnslcr> Yes, KDE4 installs separately from KDE3
[12:57] <Dragnslcr> You select one in the Session Type menu on the login screen
[13:03] <gserg> hi all
[13:03] <dr_Willis> Howdys
[13:07] <jim__> Hey all, Is anyone able to help me install Dos 6.22 on Virtualbox ?
[13:07] <dr_Willis> Thatss a scary thing to ask. :)
[13:07] <dr_Willis> dare i ask... why not use 'dosbox' ?
[13:08] <jim__> Its not fast enough
[13:08] <jim__> and i know you can make it go faster but its still not fast enough
[13:09] <dr_Willis> fast enough for what?
[13:09] <dr_Willis> That would be an interesting benchmark. vbox + dos, vs freedos, vs dosbox.
[13:09] <jim__> an old game called Dune2
[13:09] <dr_Willis> Hmm you mean the RTS stradagy game?
[13:09] <kalorin`> has anyone here ever used ndis wrappers for drivers?
[13:09] <dr_Willis> I was playing that on dosbox just last week. :)
[13:10] <kalorin`> if so how has that worked, and if not, why?
[13:10] <jim__> Yeh thats it
[13:10] <dr_Willis> and the Dune2 'ultimate' release also. with different races.
[13:10] <jim__> Yeh i finished it with Atredies about 100 times
[13:10] <dr_Willis> It ran find on my rather low end laptop.
[13:10] <frojnd> Hello there
[13:10] <frojnd> How can I name the burned DVD with growisofs ? growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=2 -Z /dev/dvd -R -J -pad /dir-path/file1 /dir-path/file2
[13:10] <frojnd> How would I achieve this ? I mean so when I insert DVD in and I open it there would be thename and not dvdrom..
[13:10] <frojnd> Where do I have to put any flag for a name
[13:10] <frojnd> name of DVD ?
[13:11] <jim__> There is also a dune2 for linux where you can select all the units like C&C but i havent been able to get it to work
[13:11] <kalorin`> dr_Willis: dune game or ndiswrappers?
[13:11] <dr_Willis> jim__,  i was just using the normal dune2 and the other dune game. under dosbox on my Turion 1.6 ghz laptop.
[13:12] <dr_Willis> Been trying out all my old-skool dos games. :) gotta love retro.
[13:12] <jim__> hahah F Y
[13:12] <jim__> i wanna get the game to go faster
[13:12] <dr_Willis> You got a lower end  machine then that?
[13:13] <jim__> Im not really sure ! its just a hand me down
[13:13] <Greenery> Can I update the GRUB menu list for my linux kernel manually? Because the last kernel update, I keptthe old menu list instead of updating them
[13:13] <jim__> its a pentium i think
[13:13] <jim__> how can i find out ?
[13:13] <dr_Willis> I would be suprised if virtualbox ran it faster really..
[13:13] <dr_Willis> check the bios post message/menus, and the /proc/cpuinfo file
[13:13] <jim__> i think that the game runs slower on dosbox than it originally did
[13:13] <dr_Willis> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[13:14] <jim__> huh
[13:14] <dr_Willis> if you got a Pent 1 or 2 machine.. You might want to check into putting real dos back on it.
[13:14] <jim__> the computer is about 8 years old
[13:14] <jim__> so im thinking its a pentium 1
[13:14] <dr_Willis> Im thinking its a doorstop. :)
[13:14] <dr_Willis> lol.
[13:14] <jim__> hahaha
[13:14] <jim__> yeh me too !
[13:15] <jim__> not allowed to buy a new computer or bring my otherone back from melbourne
[13:15] <jim__> ok so how do i just put on  dos 6.22
[13:15] <jim__> i got the dos622.exe file
[13:15] <jim__> do i just open it with dosbox and just extract the files there ?
[13:16] <dr_Willis> dosbox includes its own dos. so not sure what you will gain by that.
[13:16] <jim__> hmm
[13:16] <dr_Willis> as for virtualbox. You need to somehow get the files to a location that virtualbox could see them.. but a Pent 1 + virtualbox = not very  good idea
[13:17] <dr_Willis> Or you could check out 'freedos'
[13:17] <jim__> ok ill try that
[13:17] <jim__> is it anygood ?
[13:17] <fidel> hi
[13:17] <frojnd> Noone ever burned dvds with growisofs ?
[13:17] <dr_Willis> In theory you could take the freedos cd, and remaster it and have a bootable Dune CD. :)
[13:17] <fidel> what is the french chanel please?
[13:17] <dr_Willis> frojnd,  i just use k3b. sorry.
[13:17] <dr_Willis> !fr
[13:18] <jim__> eh too much work to make it bootable for just one game thats 1mb
[13:18] <jim__> lol
[13:18] <dr_Willis> make a floppy.
[13:18] <jim__> hahah thought of that already and i dont have one
[13:18] <jim__> haha
[13:18] <jim__> ill try freedos
[13:19] <jim__> also have you gotta good copy of dune ultimate ?
[13:19] <jim__> cause its hard to get a good copy
[13:19] <dr_Willis> jim__,  not really. :)
[13:21] <flaccid_> i wasn't aware this was a warez chan :)
[13:21] <dr_Willis> flaccid,  I have a legal copy... somewhere.. in the garrage.
[13:21] <dr_Willis> :)
[13:21] <dr_Willis> Heck I still got Shrinkwrapped C64 software!
[13:22] <flaccid_> its not legal if you copy it for someone else :p my housemate has like very console from yesteryear
[13:22] <jim__> hahah i gotta C64
[13:23] <jim__> they where the ducks nutz in those days
[13:23] <flaccid_> which reminds me. whats the go with emulators on ubuntu. for consoles and c64 etc. ?
[13:23] <flaccid_> and arcade and all that are possible?
[13:23] <sharpe> still having issues with any recent version of flash, last release that works reliably is 9r48...
[13:23] <jim__> noweer days the c64 isnt even good enough for a calculator LOL
[13:23] <flaccid_> yeah flash is very unreliable in so many ways - a resource hog as well :(
[13:24] <flaccid_> well c65 was 64k ram
[13:24] <flaccid_> i mean 64..
[13:25] <GavinDamage> where are applications in linux
[13:26] <GavinDamage> im opening a torrent from firefox and its asking me what program to open it with, i want to use ktorrent
[13:26] <sharpe> they can live in different places
[13:27] <flaccid_> GavinDamage, should be in path so you can specify ktorrent instead of /usr/bin/ktorrent
[13:27] <Greenery> when i try to update-grub, it still didn't add the latest kernel, any idea how?
[13:28] <sharpe> gah@linux audio, all I want to do is capture soundcard output but I end having to wrestle alsa :|
[13:29] <flaccid_> alsa needs better doco too although it kind of is getting better
[13:29] <sharpe> alsa needs taking out the back and shooting in the head repeatedly, then the remains setting on fire and finally burying
[13:29] <flaccid_> Greenery, you could edit /etc/grub/menu.list manually
[13:29] <sharpe> but apart from that..I hate it
[13:29] <flaccid_> yeah there was nothing wrong with OSS..
[13:30] <Greenery> co i just simplye copy the old kernel and change it to -18?
[13:30] <sharpe> in theory alsa has far more features than OSS but in practice...well most people dont use them and just want it to work..
[13:30] <dr_Willis> Heck - lets just go back to the PC speaker beeps!
[13:30] <simi> hi, i lost 2 hours triing to solve this: in hardy you must enter your password and mount your partitions by entering in storage media and enabling the partitions, i tried to use the  Disk&Filse system applet and i succed just that i can edit files on my partitions
[13:31] <flaccid_> Greenery, i believe so - if thats what the kernel version is
[13:31] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[13:31] <flaccid_> sharpe, i pretty much agree
[13:31] <Greenery> flaccid_: ok i'll try that
[13:31] <simi> i want that my partitions to be mounted at start up and that i can edit and execute files on the partitions
[13:31] <flaccid_> !ntfs | simi
[13:32] <flaccid_> simi first link above shows mount options to help with that. what is the entry in the mount command and the fs type?
[13:32] <flaccid_> !fstab | simi
[13:32] <sharpe> Adept Manager seems to be alot more fragile than it was in 7.10, not good when its a critical application
[13:32] <flaccid_> so correct entry in fstab will do the trick, which is what the 'enable' is in disks and filesystems
[13:32] <sharpe> if I get time Ill have a look at why
[13:33] <flaccid_> yeah must be something out of the ordinary because its usually pretty good
[13:33] <BluesKaj> simi, another app you might consider is ntfs-config
[13:33] <flaccid_> if its ntfs..
[13:33] <gaboo> Hi !
[13:34] <BluesKaj> it gives gui access to the ntfs partition
[13:34] <simi> my partition is FAT32
[13:34] <gaboo> Does anyone know why I lose global shortcuts after a while in a KDE4 session ? I'm using beta1 packages.
[13:34] <flaccid_> user is after mount on boot via fstab
[13:34] <gaboo> It works again if I logout and then login again.
[13:34] <flaccid_> simi, yep so enable in disks and filesystems and check that it goes in fstab. paste what i requested plus the entry in fstab if you would like us to check
[13:34] <sharpe> also, I was seriously unimpressed that 8.04 installs firefox 3b5 as the default
[13:35] <flaccid_> sharpe, why is that?
[13:36] <frybye> hi .. sorry i shifted locations and lost the earlier answer - how to install latest kde4 under hardy - so that it can be run parallel with switching from kde3 or kde4??
[13:36] <sharpe> some applications are critical parts of the system (i.e. the ones that average end users are going to rely on) one of which is firefox, I dont think it was a particulary wise decision to have the default be a beta version
[13:36] <sharpe> should have stuck with 2 until 3 was finalised
[13:36] <flaccid_> !kde4 | frybye
[13:36] <frybye> in adept there is a miriad of stuff under kde4 - not sure what is right..
[13:36] <BluesKaj> simi, then consider 'fatsort'
[13:37] <frybye> thanks..
[13:37] <flaccid_> sharpe, 2 is still available - lots of users in community that demand this kind of bleeding beta
[13:37] <flaccid_> frybye, simply follow above link
[13:37] <simi> flaccid:  /dev/sda5 /media/BIG auto users,noauto,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0   i want write permisions
[13:37] <Maggolol> maggo? ^^
[13:38] <flaccid_> simi, and what is the entry in mount atm ?
[13:38] <sharpe> flaccid, and If we were in #Gentoo Id agree but its Ubuntu not Gentoo and a LTS release at that, just seemed an odd choice
[13:39] <simi> flaccid_: ? what is that?
[13:39] <flaccid_> yeah you are right, considering lts on ubuntu its not really sensbile for the commercial lts customers
[13:39] <flaccid_> simi, just the command mount which shows currently mounted filesystems
[13:40] <sharpe> always preferred konqueror anyway but greasemonkey is useful at times
[13:40] <flaccid_> im an opera guy which means awesome performance
[13:42] <sharpe> flaccid, I like the integration konqueror has as both browser/FM, understand the reasons for Dolphin but Konqueror is still better (for me)
[13:42] <simi> flaccid_: http://pastebin.com/m23cf0d11
[13:42] <flaccid_> simi, and just pastebin now ls -l /media/BIG and i'll let you know what the prob is..
[13:47] <simi> flaccid_: http://pastebin.com/m1ddb0d24, i tried sudo chmod -R +w /media/BIG
[13:47] <frybye> flaccid I had of course followed the link and still did not know which of the many packages to go for - now I know...
[13:48] <flaccid_> that won't work before fat has no perms
[13:48] <flaccid_> yeah, so its just kubuntu-kde4-desktop frybye ?
[13:49] <frybye> well in adpet there is a    kde4   on its own - the official modules.. I take it that is ok??
[13:50] <flaccid_> frybye, no. why do you not want to follow those basic instructions on the page?
[13:50] <frybye> if that is wrong - should I interrupt the downloading of all the stuff...????
[13:50] <frybye> I did not understand what they meant...
[13:50] <frybye> should i interrupt this present download...
[13:50] <flaccid_> what in particular? i don't know what you are even doing...
[13:51] <frybye> I am using adept to download the     kde4   installation - described as the official modules but is not kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[13:52] <flaccid_> simi, change your entry in fstab to this: /dev/sda5 /media/BIG auto users,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,atime,rw 0 0
[13:52] <frybye> how do I stop the thing???
[13:52] <sharpe> one thing Ive never been able to figure out with KDE (figure its not a configurable option) is that window titles in the taskbar fade (usually to grey) when the window is minimised
[13:52] <sharpe> annoying as all hell when you have transparency turned on..
[13:52] <flaccid_> frybye, yeah. i mine why would you do that, the instructions are pretty clear and you havnt mentioned the package name exactly anyway
[13:52] <frybye> can I undoo the stuff that I just did in adept... the package name is exactly what I have written    kde4   with nothing else...
[13:53] <flaccid_> frybye, that won't give you all of it i don't think which is why they created a kubuntu-kde4-desktop meta pacakge...
[13:53] <flaccid_> !info kde4
[13:53]  * flaccid_ goes to look at the package
[13:53] <frybye> flaccid_: right so I closed the adept .. and I suppose there is a load of debris on the system now from that having d-loaded and started to install or???
[13:54] <frybye> I got the info about kubuntu-kde4-desktop -after- having started d-loading this other package...
[13:54] <flaccid_> frybye, how would i know i don't know where it got up to. if it was still downloading then it hasn't done anything. simply install kubuntu-kde4-desktop, don't clear anything
[13:55] <frybye> on the linked page you gave me it just said in general terms - use adept to install the full download or simialr.. not the name of the package..
[13:55] <flaccid_> oh, should probably not install something which you don't what it is etc... there is a guide for almost everything common in ubuntu
[13:55]  * flaccid_ goes to look
[13:55] <sharpe> 'sudp aptitude remove kde4' (assuming any of it installed) then 'sudo aptitude clean'
[13:56] <flaccid_> frybye, don't know what you are loooking at but its definately there under instructions.. The packages are in hardy-backports, available from Adept Manager when you choose Unsupported Updates from the Updates tab of Manage Repositories, kubuntu-kde4-desktop and do a full upgrade.
[13:56] <frybye> ok it had started installing but never mind I will just install the correct stuff and hope for the best.. ;) - flaccid - please understand i am not stupid - i just dont have all that much background knowledge...
[13:56] <flaccid_> sharpe, he wants to install kde4 so no need to remove pkgs or anything
[13:56] <BluesKaj> frybye, if you use the pkg manager only , then you're safe
[13:56] <flaccid_> never said you were stupid, just to follow the instructions thats all
[13:57] <BluesKaj> too many cooks
[13:57] <frybye> ok - i see now that you are right - i sorta skipped over that while reading and just saw the "do a full upgrade " bit.. sorry.. I stand corrected...
[13:57] <sharpe> just use the metapackage
[13:58] <flaccid_> it appears as though that pkg downloads the addition kde4 main pkgs as well so thats fine.. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kde4 anyway moving on...
[13:58] <flaccid_> nw frybye
[13:58] <epimeth> I installed mplayer, mozzilla-mplayer, and ubuntu-restricted-extras and I still can't view quicktime movies in FF.  any ideas why not?
[13:59] <sharpe> because apple blows big chunks
[13:59] <flaccid_> epimeth, you might need more than that
[13:59] <simi> flaccid_:  same problem i do not have write permisions, why did they change this ?in 7.10 it worked ok, and i do not remember what i had in fstab
[13:59] <flaccid_> !quicktime | epimeth
[13:59] <flaccid_> simi, i don't know why. did you unmount then re-mount the filesystem?
[13:59] <flaccid_> won't work till you do that
[14:00] <simi> flaccid_: i restarted
[14:00] <flaccid_> what is the entry in mount now?
[14:00] <sharpe> epimeth, have a look at medibuntu
[14:00] <sharpe> that pretty much sorted all the studid codec issues I was running into..
[14:00] <flaccid_> yep medibuntu gives a lot more
[14:01] <simi> i will have to accept the deafault for now, and each time open the partition and enter the password
[14:01] <sharpe> and the packages arent crippled by licensing problems..
[14:01] <flaccid_> then you get heaps in about:plugins in firefox..
[14:01] <flaccid_> simi, pastebin your whole /etc/fstab please
[14:02] <sharpe> meph, did you install teh w32codecs?
[14:02] <epimeth> flaccid_: already did all of that
[14:03] <epimeth> sharpe: yes, I have
[14:03] <epimeth> still no quicktime
[14:03] <simi> flaccid_: http://pastebin.com/m6168343   i am reading on the wiki now, maybe find something
[14:03] <sharpe> give me a second, I dont bother much with quicktime, not set it up for years, Ill have a look
[14:03] <flaccid_> !info libquicktime1 | epimeth
[14:03] <sharpe> what version of FF are you using?
[14:03] <flaccid_> not sure if that helps
[14:04] <epimeth> already installed....
[14:04] <epimeth> FF3
[14:04] <flaccid_> simi, the fstab is invalid
[14:04] <sharpe> same as me, brb
[14:05] <flaccid_> simi,  you have two different entries and one is broken onto two lines...
[14:05] <frybye> there was some problems but I seem to have resolved flaccid...
[14:06] <simi> flaccid_: i restart again now
[14:06] <flaccid_> simi, no
[14:07] <flaccid_> thats not going to do anything
[14:07] <flaccid_> simi, change it to this http://pastebin.com/m74f7b676 then re-mount the /media/BIG
[14:07] <simi> flaccid_: i removed first entry
[14:07] <frybye> the package manager when installing stuff always says there are orphaned packages of an attempted installation of a local phone book appl.. but I will have to wait till tomorrow when my sys-eng friend visits to attack that..
[14:08] <sharpe> got quicktime working with FF3
[14:08] <flaccid_> sweet, what did it sharpe?
[14:09] <simi> flaccid_:  how to remount?
[14:09] <sharpe> w32codecs from medibuntu
[14:09] <flaccid_> yep thats the one..
[14:09] <sharpe> just installed the mplayer-plugin, then sudo aptitude install w32codecs, restrat FF and et voila!
[14:09] <sharpe> watching the Space Chimps Trailer on apple movies..
[14:09] <flaccid_> you said you already installed 'all of that' :)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> flaccid , no need to chastise...be happy it was successful
[14:10] <sharpe> no, I said Id set up medibuntu, Id only gotten the codecs I actually needed
[14:10] <sharpe> which was just to play mp3's in amarok (divx worked out the box..)
[14:11] <simi> how to re mount? i can skip a restart?
[14:11] <epimeth> arg... my medibuntu sources were disabled!
[14:11] <flaccid_> my apologies sharpe , that was epimeth . epimeth you install w32codecs yet yo?
[14:11] <flaccid_> apologies sharpe..
[14:11] <frybye> hmmm now i seem to only have kde4 - ah well...
[14:11] <sharpe> np
[14:11] <sharpe> >epimeth, theres your problem :)
[14:11] <epimeth> yup
[14:11] <epimeth> letes give it a moment
[14:11] <flaccid_> BluesKaj, i used a smile and there is no tone on the internet so please withdraw your insulting comment
[14:12] <frybye> did not see a choice at the start up .. any tips about that - how to switch to kde3 if necessary..?
[14:12] <flaccid_> simi, sudo umount /media/BIG && sudo mount /media/BIG
[14:12] <BluesKaj> flaccid , you're insulted ? ..boohoo
[14:12] <flaccid_> now who is the hypocrite...
[14:12] <frybye> i had better go in the other # for this stuff.. c u...
[14:13]  * flaccid_ rests his case
[14:14] <sharpe> definetly gonna watch hancock when it comes out (trailer looks brilliant)
[14:15] <flaccid_> hows the performance with the plugin?
[14:15] <simi> flaccid_: Ls-l sais that all have Write permisions thx
[14:15] <simi> flaccid_: can you tell me what flag give those permisions?
[14:16] <flaccid_> simi, sweet as, np. we avoided having to use uid / user mount which is good. its fat so no perms etc. on a fs like that, its just how you mount it
[14:16] <flaccid_> simi, fmask and dmask - exactly as per the first linke we looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[14:16] <flaccid_> under 'Accessible by everyone'
[14:17] <GavinDamage> thanks for your help tonite guys. peace
[14:18] <sharpe> flaccid, was the performance question to me?
[14:18] <flaccid_> yeah just out of interest..
[14:18] <sharpe> flawless :)
[14:20] <flaccid_> ah coolio. i guess its better than flash in that respect
[14:20] <sharpe> hugely
[14:21] <sharpe> though flash is closing the gap with native support for video codecs and acceleration
[14:21] <simi> flaccid_: i seen it now. thx for your time
[14:21] <flaccid_> np simi
[14:22] <flaccid_> sharpe, yeah but its resource useage is woeful, not all versions work, they change the interface etc. the more pages with flash you have open the more woeful your cpu and mem goes. maybe they will fix it up in 10.
[14:22] <pim> Is it normal that Kubuntu suddenly checks a drive when I boot my pc?
[14:22] <sharpe> Im still using flash 9r48 becuase *none* of the later versions will work properly with Konqueror
[14:23] <SlimeyPete> pim: it is if you didn't/couldn't shut down properly
[14:23] <sharpe> they either sig_fault or just crash konqurorer..wish they'd just release the source already..
[14:23] <SlimeyPete> and I think it happens every so often regardless, too
[14:23] <SlimeyPete> though you can turn that off
[14:23] <pim> Well I could also have pressed esc to abort
[14:24] <sharpe> depending on the filesystem you chose itll do a full check after (iirc) 30 startups anyway
[14:24] <flaccid_> pim, yep
[14:24] <flaccid_> sharpe, most frustrating
[14:24] <sharpe> would sooner it do a check and not need it, then not do a check and need it
[14:25] <flaccid_> i dont think pressing esc does anything
[14:25] <flaccid_> you can change that with the pass value in fstab entry
[14:25] <sharpe> I still choose to use rieser for all my boxes anyway but Im gonna have to start looking at alternatives..
[14:25] <flaccid_> whether it does disk check or not
[14:25] <sharpe> might be a while before Hans does any more work on it (with him serving 25 to life for murder)
[14:27] <lyhana8> hi, does anyone can help me with wicd and an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[14:28] <flaccid_> wicd ?
[14:28] <lyhana8> flaccid_: yeap a network handler
[14:29] <flaccid_> fair enough
[14:30] <flaccid_> ah network manager
[14:31] <flaccid_> knetworkmanager wasn't good enough, lyhana8 ?
[14:31] <lyhana8> doesn't work to
[14:31] <flaccid_> !doesntwork
[14:31] <flaccid_> please explain?
[14:32] <lyhana8> flaccid_: sorry, i can detect wireless connection
[14:32] <flaccid_> is the driver and interface set up correctly
[14:33] <lyhana8> i'm not really sure about the driver, i use wext
[14:33] <flaccid_> do you get anything in iwlist eth1 scanning ?
[14:33] <flaccid_> subsitute eth1 with your interface name and let us know what it says
[14:33] <lyhana8> iwlist = nothing
[14:33] <lyhana8> iwconfig give: [...]eth1      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"NEUF_D760"  Nickname:""          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated          Tx-Power=27 dBm          Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B          Power Management:off          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid mi
[14:33] <lyhana8> eth1 is my interface
[14:34] <flaccid_> doesn't look like it is setup properly so whichever network manager you try is not going to work
[14:35] <lyhana8> how can i set up the device ?
[14:35] <amen> hello
[14:36] <lyhana8> amen: heloo
[14:36] <flaccid_> lyhana8, by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy
[14:36] <lyhana8> flaccid_: oh thanks
[14:37] <flaccid_> even though its meant to work out of the box feisty and above it seems as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsAsus?highlight=%283945ABG%29
[14:37] <willi_ballenthin> whats the most efficient way to remove kde3, but not kde4?
[14:37] <willi_ballenthin> any idea?
[14:37]  * flaccid_ goes off to dinnner
[14:37] <grassone> how i can use the command "apt-get source --compile " but i'd like to stop the procedure after the down load to apply a patch and after that to restart the normal procedure
[14:37] <kalorin`> I have to go find my windows disks for my laptop
[14:38] <kalorin`> stupid intel centrino chipset isn't supported without a hacks
[14:38] <kalorin`> I'm not interested
[14:38] <amen> i think u can use ndiswrapper
[14:40] <amen> for my wifi,i just use ndiswrapper to install window driver in my kubuntu..
[14:40] <kalorin`> amen, how does that work for you?
[14:40] <kalorin`> like "well" or "ok"
[14:40] <kalorin`> ?
[14:41] <kalorin`> and are you having to always redo it when adept updater gets updates?
[14:42] <amen> until now my wifi run fine without had to redo it...
[14:42] <kalorin`> k
[14:42] <kalorin`> any pointers?
[14:43] <kalorin`> I'll give it a shot
[14:44] <kalorin`> also how much of the windows drivers do you need?
[14:45] <sharpe> just the inf file
[14:45] <sharpe> the actual driver itself not any of the surrounding stuff
[14:47] <sharpe> just the inf and sys file*
[14:48] <sharpe> if you've got that hardware working with windows (are dual booting etc) then look in \Windows\inf\
[14:49] <flaccid_> kalorin`, what is not supported in centrino. because centrino support is out of box
[14:49] <sharpe> if you dont dual boot you will need to extract the driver files from the binary installer for windows
[14:49] <amen> get ndiswrapper from adept manager, u must had window driver for u wifi (in .inf)
[14:49] <sharpe> flaccid, it should be, Intel is pretty good for GPL drivers
[14:50] <flaccid_> sharpe, yeah im on it atm using speedstep_centrino mod etc. so i don't know why kalorin` claims linux doesn't support centrino..
[14:50] <sharpe> my old thinkpad is an intel chipset and it works out the box as well (actually easier than getting wireless to work under XP which is kinda ironic)
[14:52] <amen> had anyone here use kubuntu-kde4?
[14:52] <sharpe> yeah
[14:52] <flaccid_> yeah amen
[14:53] <kalorin`> [09:48] <flaccid_> kalorin`, what is not supported in centrino. because centrino support is out of box
[14:53] <kalorin`> ipw2200 doesn't work
[14:53] <kalorin`> it sees networks but can't dhcp addresses or connect
[14:53] <kalorin`> at least with the 8.04 stuff
[14:53] <kalorin`> just flat doesn't work
[14:54] <amen> just use manual ip..
[14:55] <sharpe> amen, not always an option if you are using public wifi
[14:56] <kalorin`> amen, even doing that doesn't work
[14:56] <amen> yeap i know...
[14:56] <kalorin`> it's something more than that
[14:56] <kalorin`> its' a mess for sure, and i'm really sad to see that it's such a mainstream chipset and isn't workable
[14:56] <sharpe> it generally works, Ive had no problems with it
[14:57] <kalorin`> with ipw2200 on 8.04?
[14:57] <kalorin`> what kernel are you using?
[14:57] <kalorin`> wired works fine
[14:57] <sharpe> 2.6.24-18-generic
[14:57] <kalorin`> you sure you're using ipw2200?
[14:58] <sharpe> yeah, its an Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Chipset and uses the 2200BG for wireless iirc
[14:58] <kalorin`> weirdness
[14:59] <kalorin`> like I pop open the knetwork manager and the tab for wireless is grayed out
[14:59] <kalorin`> like it doesn't exist
[14:59] <sharpe> only like Alsa on 7.10, that never worked properly for me yet slackware alsa did perfectly
[14:59] <kalorin`> though I have an eth1 that's working
[14:59] <flaccid_> kalorin`, ipw2200 works out of box. it is what i use.
[14:59] <sharpe> on 8.04 alsa works fine on that box..go figure
[14:59] <kalorin`> flaccid, perhaps a firmware issue?
[14:59] <flaccid_> might i suggest that you work out the problem instead of claiming centrino is not supported..
[14:59] <groven1023> anyone know how to get a broadcom wifi card working on an hp laptop?
[14:59] <flaccid_> it could be
[15:00] <kalorin`> according to everything I read most of the day yesterday its' under heavy development and is a real issue
[15:00] <kalorin`> weirdness
[15:00] <kalorin`> how would I tell what version of firmware I'm running?
[15:00] <flaccid_> kalorin`, if you are going to be on here for a while i can help you with it. i just have to have dinner now
[15:01] <flaccid_> i've used it with ubuntu since dapper and support has improved to out of the box and generally reliable
[15:01] <kalorin`> I'll be here a bit
[15:01] <kalorin`> for a couple of hours anyway
[15:01] <kalorin`> I'd appreciate it
[15:01] <flaccid_> ok bbs
[15:01] <flaccid_> np give me 15mins
[15:01] <kalorin`> I'll go see if I can find a way to tell the firmware version
[15:02] <groven1023> can anyone help me get my broadcom wifi card working on my hp laptop?
[15:13] <flaccid_> kalorin`, ok so is your iwlist and iwconfig working?
[15:16] <kalorin`> well kind of
[15:16] <kalorin`> hang on let me get on  irc on that machine
[15:16] <kalorin`> it'll be easier
[15:17] <kalorin`> well ok it'd be easier if konversation was installed already :(
[15:18] <kalorin`> iwlist eth1 scanning shows 1 network (mine)
[15:18] <kalorin`> protocol 802.11g
[15:18] <flaccid_> ok sweet so its working :)
[15:18] <kalorin`> yeah it's sort of working
[15:18] <flaccid_> now you just use knetworkmanager yeah
[15:18] <kalorin`> wifi-radar shows networks and signal and all that
[15:19] <kalorin`> well knetworkmanager's tab for wireless is just grayed out
[15:19] <flaccid_> what is the problem then?
[15:19] <flaccid_> pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file please kalorin`
[15:19] <kalorin`> there's only 2 lines
[15:19] <kalorin`> 3
[15:19] <flaccid_> paste here
[15:19] <kalorin`> auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, and auto eth0
[15:20] <kalorin`> the rest is just comments
[15:20] <kalorin`> I pulled the latest firmware but I'm not sure how to instal it
[15:20] <kalorin`> install it
[15:20] <flaccid_> take out everything but localhost directives, then sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:20] <kalorin`> doesn't come with directions
[15:20] <flaccid_> your firmware is working kalorin`
[15:20] <kalorin`> k
[15:21] <flaccid_> after that close knetworkmanager then run it again like killall knetworkmanager && knetworkmanager
[15:21] <kalorin`> ok done
[15:22] <poison> !corel
[15:22] <kalorin`> ok
[15:22] <kalorin`> done, same deal
[15:22] <kalorin`> wireless is grayed out
[15:22] <flaccid_> if its still greyed out, can you show me a screenshot of knetworkmanager right clicked, showing the grayed out
[15:22] <flaccid_> screenshot please of it right clicked..
[15:22] <poison> :(
[15:22] <kalorin`> yeah sec
[15:22] <frybye> the desktop crashed and now there is not taskbar at the bottom of the screen - with the K - menu etc..?? heeelp.. hehe
[15:23] <poison> is it possible to edit a corel made file?
[15:23] <flaccid_> frybye, run kicker & in a konsole
[15:23] <Pennycook> frybye: Are you still in KDE4?
[15:23] <frybye> yeah came back in here after re-boot...
[15:24] <flaccid_> kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:25] <flaccid_> kalorin`, and yeah at this stage the problem is certainly not centrino - it looks like a knetworkmanager issue
[15:26] <frybye> sorry thought i was in there..
[15:26] <frybye> tks anyhow its back...
[15:26] <frybye> but is grey...
[15:26] <kalorin`> flaccid: ok I get that, but shouldn't I have been able to manually configure the wireless onto the netwokr?
[15:26] <kalorin`> I haven't been able to do that
[15:26] <kalorin`> ok I have a png of the whole screen where do you want it/
[15:27] <kalorin`> oh I'll stick it on my server
[15:27] <flaccid_> cool. im not sure what you mean by 'configure the wireless onto the network'.
[15:27] <flaccid_> knetwork manager is like 2clicks for a network setup
[15:28] <kalorin`> I mean like using ifconfig
[15:28] <kalorin`> http://kalorin.com/flaccid
[15:28] <flaccid_> right click tray icon, then click on the wireless network in the list for example
[15:28] <kalorin`> yeah look at the screenshot
[15:28] <kalorin`> I'm saying that I should be able to us ifconfig to get it on the network I would think if it's working right and knetworkmanager isn't
[15:28] <flaccid_> yeah of course you can use ifconfig. just keep in mind its not that simple if a network requires encryption..
[15:29] <flaccid_> kalorin`, no thats not what i want. you restart knetworkmanager. and you right click knetworkmanager icon, not the connection status..
[15:30] <kalorin`> ok that says no wireless networks found
[15:30] <kalorin`> under wireless network
[15:30] <lyhana8> flaccid_: i'm trying to follow the link you give me about iwl3945, i got problem whent trying to unload older module :
[15:30] <lyhana8> sudo make unloadUnloading ssb...FATAL: Module ssb is in use.Unloading cfg80211...FATAL: Module cfg80211 is in use.make: *** [unload] Erreur 1
[15:31] <flaccid_> kalorin`, thats because there is only one which has a hidden ESSID. if thats your access point, don't hide the ESSID because if you want to connect to it, you'll have to do it a bit more manually..
[15:32] <kalorin`> k sec I'll unhide it
[15:32] <kalorin`> http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[15:32] <kalorin`> look at that though
[15:32] <flaccid_> why?
[15:33] <flaccid_> lyhana8, sudo rmmod cfg80211 - but chances are its in use
[15:33] <kalorin`> flaccid it's pretty explicit about fireware versions and driver versions needing to match
[15:33] <kalorin`> ok I've set the ESSID to unhidden GN
[15:33] <flaccid_> kalorin`, dude thats already done. its working. i don't see a problem yet at all...
[15:33] <lyhana8> flaccid_: same error : module in use
[15:33] <lyhana8> flaccid_:  ERROR: Module cfg80211 is in use by iwlwifi_mac80211
[15:34] <kalorin`> k
[15:34] <flaccid_> lyhana8, maybe you will have to stop networking or something or boot into a different runlevel so its not loaded or blacklist the module and reboot or something
[15:34] <kalorin`> ok now I do an iwlist eth1 scanning and I see the ESSID: "GN"
[15:34] <kalorin`> and it's using WEP encryption because I just want to get it working
[15:34] <lyhana8> flaccid_: i do `sudo rmmod iwlwifi_mac80211` and after `sudo rmmod cfg80211` and that seem ok
[15:34] <kalorin`> anyway
[15:35] <flaccid_> lyhana8, yep nice work..!
[15:35] <jason> Hi, I'm trying to use my microphone, it's plugged into the right jack and kmix has been unmuted for the  mic. but when I speak into it then no sound comes out through my speakers. my spearkers do work
[15:35] <kalorin`> son of a biscuit
[15:35] <kalorin`> seems to be working nw
[15:35] <kalorin`> now
[15:35] <flaccid_> just as expected :)
[15:36] <kalorin`> flaccid you're a lifesaver (though I feel REALLY stupid now)
[15:36] <flaccid_> hehe
[15:36] <kalorin`> what about wpa?
[15:36] <kalorin`> can it do that out of the box?
[15:36] <flaccid_> knetworkmanager does wpa
[15:36] <flaccid_> yep for sure. i use wpa2
[15:36] <kalorin`> k I'll have to give that a try
[15:36] <flaccid_> on my linksys wrt54gl
[15:36] <kalorin`> so all because I had hidden the ESSID?
[15:36] <kalorin`> yeah I've got oen of those as well running DD-WRT
[15:36] <flaccid_> i believe so
[15:37] <flaccid_> kalorin`, thats what i am running. you have the same access point and wireless card as me..
[15:37] <flaccid_> kalorin`, there is an option in knetworkmanager to connect to a hidden network
[15:38] <flaccid_> not sure where it is but its explained a bit here: http://en.opensuse.org/Projects/KNetworkManager
[15:38] <kalorin`> cool thanks man
[15:38]  * flaccid_ is on windows, not at home atm
[15:38] <flaccid_> np
[15:39] <flaccid_> on that note im going for a sesh and watch a movie. have a good one everyone catchas soon.
[15:39] <kalorin`> thanks
[15:40] <flaccid_> ciaoskis
[15:41] <sharpe> debates having another fight with 8.04 to get it to use nvagp instead of agpgart
[15:46] <jason> Hi, I'm trying to use my microphone, it's plugged into the right jack and kmix has been unmuted for the  mic. but when I speak into it then no sound comes out through my speakers. my spearkers do work
[15:47] <CoCaInE> jason: check the sound level on alsamixer
[15:47] <kalorin`> jason, it might not be set to route the sound directly
[15:47] <kalorin`> ie. echo
[15:47] <kalorin`> it might be set in record and play mode only but not mix those channels
[15:52] <jason> kalorin`: I don't have alsamixer, only kmix. how do I configure it to route directly, nothing here seems to say how
[15:56] <jason> kalorin`: it's ok I found it
[15:56] <jason> was under AUX for some reason
[15:56]  * kalorin` nods
[15:56] <kalorin`> usually it's not right in the top
[15:57] <frybye> after  doing a console login how do I start the gui...?
[15:58] <newbird> hi.. need advice on getting sound on hardy heron amd-64 bit version
[15:59] <newbird> everything shows OK, but i hear no sound...
[15:59] <newbird> i get a message on unable to connect to pulse server..
[15:59] <newbird> what is pulse?
[16:01] <biagidp_> Any java developers about that can tell me the easiest way to find what version of JDK I'm running?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> biagidp_, in the terminal , sudo update-alternatives --config java , the java client with + sign is the one you are using.
[16:05] <biagidp_> BluesKaj: It doesn't list a version of JDK, so I guess that answers my question, thanks!
[16:05] <stdin> biagidp_: java -version
[16:05] <BluesKaj> biagidp_, you can always check to see what's installed in adept :)
[16:06] <biagidp_> BluesKaj: I'm not a huge adept fan, but I'll check it out to make sure
[16:07] <BluesKaj> biagidp_, try stdin's suggestion
[16:08] <biagidp_> stdin: thanks, that didn't list a JDK either
[16:08] <stdin> biagidp_: did you install the jdk package?
[16:09] <biagidp_> stdin: I don't remember if I did it on this machine or another one
[16:09] <stdin> biagidp_: 'dpkg -l | grep jdk' should help
[16:09] <stdin> if it doesn't show a -jdk package, it's not installed
[16:10] <biagidp_> stdin: It doesn't, and the only jdk package is jdk1.1 and I think the current version is 6-something
[16:10] <pietje_phuck> Any one having a problem with firefox RC2 flickering?
[16:11] <pietje_phuck> Or is it just me?
[16:11] <kkathman> pietje_phuck: seems to be ok here on my machine
[16:12] <kushal1> what is the default irc client in kubuntu 8.04? I cannot find konversation as installed by default.
[16:12] <Jucato> kushal1: if you're using Kubuntu's KDE 4 remix, no I didn't find it installed by default. just apt-get it
[16:13] <stdin> kushal1: kubuntu 8.04 or kubuntu kde4 8.04 ?
[16:13] <Jucato> (and #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 questions)
[16:13] <Jucato> stdin: kde4. he asked in #kde too
[16:13] <pietje_phuck> kkathman: thanks
[16:13] <pim> konversation is
[16:13] <pim> you could run apt-get install konversation
[16:13] <pim> sudo it
[16:14] <stdin> yeah, in kde4 there isn't one installed by default (mostly because there is no kde4 client available)
[16:28] <grassone> i have download a package with "apt-get source <pkgname>"
[16:29] <grassone> after some change in the source i'd like to start the configuration and compilation like the "apt-get source --compile <pkgname>" do
[16:29] <grassone> how can i do that ?
[16:31] <stdin> grassone: if you have debuild use "debuild" from the source dir, else (make sure you have fakeroot installed) and run "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[16:31] <pim>  How do get letters from the greek alphabet?
[16:32] <pim> How do I get letters from the greek alphabet?
[16:33] <trappist> "get"?
[16:33] <kkathman> pim for what purpose?
[16:33] <pim> I need to write in german
[16:34] <kkathman> isnt that a matter of going to the regional settings?
[16:35] <pim> No
[16:35] <pim> I've got an american keybord
[16:35] <pim> In German the Beta is used
[16:35] <pim> In winnie I can get it by pressing ctrl+alt+s
[16:35] <grassone> stdin: thank you very much
[16:37] <pim> ß
[16:37] <pim> This letter: ß
[16:39] <Dr_willis_> alt-ctrl-s here scrolls up my window :) darn compiz keys! heh
[16:44] <jcfp> pim: german letter ß is not a beta (β) but a sharp s. Available via 'AltGr + s' with a us-intl keyboard setting.
[16:45] <pim> thankß
[16:47] <pietje_phuck> ff3 rc2 seems to flicker for me, specially so with noscript enabled, using ff3 beta 2 works fine
[16:47] <pietje_phuck> Just in case any one is interested
[16:50] <cheko> hola
[16:50] <pietje_phuck> Does any one know how to downgrade in apt, or reverse an upgrade?
[16:59] <semyenov> hello for all ;0
[17:05] <dr_Willis> !apt
[17:05] <dr_Willis> the apt-get manuals discuss that pietje_phuck  - ive never had to mess with that befor.
[17:07] <pietje_phuck> dr_Willis: reading it now
[17:07] <pietje_phuck> dr_Willis: thanks
[17:09] <dr_Willis> the apt stuff is the kind of complex system - it pays to read the docs.. then read them again a few weeks later.. then again.....
[17:09] <dr_Willis> :)
[17:10] <Jucato> rinse and repeat for the next year or so
[17:10] <Jucato> daily
[17:11] <dr_Willis> I got a whole Linux Library in the Basement 'reading room' right next to the sink and toilet. :)
[17:15] <Vermux> how do I see a list of available trusted account computers?
[17:17] <Rioting_pacifist> firefox just stoped working, i turned of an extention and clicked reboot and it now refuses to start (not even anything in console with -P
[17:19] <emilsedgh> Rioting_pacifist: did you try starting with a new session?
[17:19] <emilsedgh> s/session/profile/
[17:20] <Rioting_pacifist> cant even get to the profile dialog
[17:25] <Rioting_pacifist> nvm it was miro being a pita
[17:25] <Rioting_pacifist> will report it after the match
[17:43] <kkerwin> Hi. #kubuntu-kde4 appears to be dead: I'm having trouble installing KDE4-beta: http://pastebin.com/m1e9837e9
[17:49] <grigris> #ubuntu
[18:03] <jimmy51> !bonnie++
[18:03] <jimmy51> !bonnie
[18:04] <jimmy51> !info bonnie++
[18:07] <kiran_> please help im not able to write/delete files in my usb drive its in readonly mode.how to change this?
[18:10] <pim> kiran_ read only mode means you can't write to the device
[18:11] <jessica> if a file is read only try "sudo chmod ugo+rw <folder path>"
[18:11] <kiran_> yeh thts d error which its showing but how to change it... i did not have this problem untill today...
[18:12] <jessica> what is kiran's problem
[18:14] <jimmy51> anyone here good at using bonnie++ ?
[18:14] <haryono> how to enter irc jakarta indonesia kubuntu?
[18:14] <jimmy51> my output is showing ++++ for many results, which i guess means it's too fast to measure
[18:15] <jimmy51> how do i change my test such that the sample size is large enough to calculate the results properly?
[18:15] <haryono> any one know kubuntu irc jakarta indonesia?
[18:15] <SlimeyPete> !indonesian | haryono
[18:24] <mrooney> ﻿hello, I installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop, and naturally it installed all the deps, but now if I remove it, it just removes the 38kB or so meta package, how can I undo the entire process?
[18:26] <akasico1> hola en que parte de los menus esta el dolphin ?? gracias
[18:28] <kkerwin> !es | akasico1
[18:29] <akasico1> sorry
[18:29] <akasico1> where can i find the dholpin program
[18:29] <kkerwin> Heh. Cool.
[18:30] <kkerwin> Hit ALT-F2. Enter "dolphin".
[18:30] <kkerwin> Then press the enter button.
[18:30] <akasico1> I know that but in which part of the menu it is?
[18:31] <kkerwin> akasico1: Check under "System".
[18:32] <kkerwin> akasico1: Mostly, though, you'll find that the ALT-F2 box is more convenient than the menu, since you don't have to use the mouse, but it does take some getting used to.
[18:35] <akasico1> sorry combination of keys are not working I change it this configuration to use the key super and now I have windows keyboard
[18:37] <akasico1> :(
[18:40] <l3x> where does kopete save configuration files and temporary files?
[18:42] <l3x> d00dz???
[18:42] <emilsedgh> l3x: ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete
[18:43] <l3x> thanx emilsedgh
[18:44] <emilsedgh> !leet | l3x
[18:44] <l3x> i iz not l33t haxor, i just like to play with the letters
[18:44] <l3x> xD
[18:47] <Jucato> emilsedgh: config files are separate :)
[18:47] <emilsedgh> yeah, they are in ~/.kde/share/config
[18:48] <conrad_> how do i get it so that beagle doesn't open when i click the "search" button on my logitech mouse
[18:49] <azzco> I'm havcing some problems with apt (trying to upgrade from feisty...)http://pastebin.com/daaaad0c
[18:50] <conrad_> ok i've uninstalled beagle but now this "tracker search tool" comes up when i press that mouse button
[18:50] <eitreach> how do I enable  hardware accel in kde 4.1 beta? My kwin-effects performance is horrid at the moment.
[18:51] <azzco> eitreach: #kubuntu-kde4 maybe?
[18:51] <eitreach> azzco: could try that, yeah.
[18:52] <tashiro> can some one tell me what improvements have been made to hardy henron? i only found out its existence today
[18:52] <azzco> Is there anywhere I can get a vanilla sources.list? I think that something went wrong with my previus one..
[18:53] <tashiro> any one?
[18:54] <david__> test
[18:55] <pim_> What is the standard sound channel
[18:55] <SlimeyPete> dunno... #alsa maybe?
[18:55] <pim_> yeah probably, thanks
[18:55] <azzco> isn't hardy using pulseaudio or that's only our ordinary ubutu users?
[18:57] <SlimeyPete> azzco: no pulseaudio on kubuntu AFAIK
[18:58] <arrrghhh> hey all, i can't figure out how to configure my nvidia video card on hardy.  i had a really good xorg.conf file for my desktop, but my laptop i can't get it to display on my second monitor properly.  so i'm using windows *sigh*
[18:58] <azzco> arrrghhh: nvidia-settings?
[18:59] <arrrghhh> azzco, that's what i used on my desktop.. but only nvidia-xconfig is avaliable...
[19:00] <arrrghhh> on the laptop.  the hardware drivers area says it's using the nvidia driver, but i can't see how to configure the card.  the configuration options within kde don't work so well, and i tried ubuntu and those were even worse...
[19:01] <azzco> arrrghhh: Do you know why nvidia-settings isnt available? I beive that they've shipped that program along the drivers for quite some time
[19:02] <Pennycook> azzco: Have you installed it?
[19:02] <arrrghhh> azzco, well do i do the recommended ubuntu method of using the hardware drivers install, or do i follow nvidia's recommendations and use their installation?  on my desktop i believe i followed nvidia's settings and those worked...
[19:02] <azzco> Pennycook: installed what?
[19:02] <sharpe_uk> speaking of nvidia, Im still banging my head against the wall with nvagp :|
[19:03] <azzco> arrrghhh: I've only used the ubuntu packages and envy.
[19:03] <Pennycook> Oop, sorry; arrrghhh: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings should install nvidia-settings for you; I'd recommend the restricted drivers manager.
[19:03] <arrrghhh> Pennycook, the restricted drivers manager says it's using the nvidia proprietary drivers, but all i have from console is nvidia-xconfig
[19:04] <Pennycook> arrrghhh: As I said, install nvidia-settings.  It's in a separate package.
[19:04] <arrrghhh> Pennycook, alright i'll try that. thanks.
[19:04] <sharpe_uk> 3d Acceleration works fine but I remember reading that using nvagp is slightly faster, done running into a wall with it
[19:08] <pim_> how do I execute a script?
[19:08] <trappist> pim_: kinda depends, but generally ./scriptname
[19:08] <sharpe_uk> two main ways,
[19:08] <sharpe_uk> ./script name or if its not got the executable flag then sh <scriptname>
[19:09] <trappist> or chmod +x it to make it executable
[19:09] <trappist> don't forget sudo if (and only if) it needs root privileges
[19:10] <pim_> I did: bash scriptname
[19:10] <trappist> pim_: that should work too
[19:15] <kiran_> i have a /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log files which are 1.1GB each how do i change it coz i dont have tht much space in my drive.
[19:16] <azzco> I'm not sure if I'm running feisty or gutsy, how can I tell?
[19:16] <Pici> azzco: lsb_release -a
[19:17] <azzco> Is there any way to restore sources.list if it's been deleted/alterd with?
[19:19] <genii> azzco: sudo cp /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/sources.list /etc/apt/
[19:19] <azzco> Thanks alot genii :D
[19:19] <genii> kiran_: Look into manpage of logrotate
[19:20] <genii> azzco: You're welcome
[19:20] <azzco> genii: /usr/share/ubuntu-docs doesn't exist here
[19:21] <genii> azzco: Download the deb file of it then from a mirror and install with dpkg
[19:22] <genii> !info ubuntu-docs
[19:23] <azzco> Great thanks :)
[19:23] <genii> azzco: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-docs_8.04.2~hardy_all.deb
[19:23] <azzco> genii: It has a few dependencies, dpkg them aswell?
[19:24] <genii> azzco: Yes, you can browse the mirror in web browser and find them
[19:25] <genii> azzco: If you like I can just pastebin my sources.list
[19:25] <azzco> that would be much easier genii, thanks :)
[19:26] <genii> azzco: 1 minute
[19:29] <genii> azzco: Change all debian.yorku.ca      to something like us.archive.ubuntu.com    or so if not in Canada http://pastebin.com/m742392ad
[19:29] <frybye> hi- how to play *.wma files in kubuntu.. codecs???
[19:29] <azzco> genii: I'll be back in a sec and tell you how it went, thanks =)
[19:31] <jussi01> frybye: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:32] <frybye> jussi01: what is the command itself??
[19:33] <jussi01> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:34] <amine27> join kubuntu-fr
[19:38] <frybye> jussi01: any problem with me being in a 64bit system??
[19:38] <frybye> that is one huge package no... wow?
[19:39] <jussi01> yeah, its a meta package...
[19:39] <frybye> jussi01: and restart now...?
[19:39] <frybye> it didnt say I had too but...?
[19:39] <jussi01> frybye: shouldnt have too
[19:39] <kiran_> how to empty var/log/syslog and kern.log files its grown big 1.1GB each.
[19:40] <Pennycook> frybye: Unlike in Windows, you don't have to restart after installing updates or anything like that.  I think the only exception is kernel updates.
[19:40] <jussi01> yeps
[19:41] <frybye> ok... hey - its playing - cool.. thanks...
[19:41] <jussi01> :)
[19:42] <azzco> thanks genii, but it didn't help (I'm on feisty) When I try to upgrade with "officiall" repos I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/19113/
[19:43] <kiran_> genii: how to empty var/log/syslog and kern.log files its grown big 1.1GB each
[19:44] <newbird1> hi folks.. need help.. i locked myself out by wrongly setting my hostname to kubuntu and my domain to a test domain...
[19:44] <newbird1> now i cannot sudo anymore because it says
[19:44] <newbird1> cannot resolve kubuntu
[19:45] <newbird1> how do i fix this?
[19:45] <Pici> !hostname | newbird1
[19:45] <Pici> newbird1: You may need to do this from the recovery session
[19:46] <newbird1> ubottu - tried that, but it tells me i don't have admin rights..
[19:46] <newbird1> pici - recovery session? how do i do that and what does recovery session mean?
[19:47] <frybye> I hve a thunderbird question - there is almost nowone in that #---
[19:47] <Pici> newbird1: When you boot Kubuntu it should be listed as an option on your Grub menu
[19:47] <frybye> the junk filter seems to be greyed out..
[19:47] <frybye> ??
[19:47] <newbird1> pici - yup
[19:47] <newbird1> oh, i see..
[19:47] <newbird1> what happens in recovery session? I get logged in automatically as root?
[19:47] <Pici> newbird1: Then you'd have to manually edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[19:48] <Pici> newbird1: Yes, you are then automagically in as root
[19:48] <newbird1> Pici - cool..
[19:48] <newbird1> Pici - I will try that out...
[19:48] <frybye> i am outa here for a bit - enough is enough... for a while.. bye now..
[19:49] <newbird1> question - why is it that I am unable to get into my wireless? I've configured everything and it connects... but it just drops the connection after sometime when it's unable to get an IP address? I'm on amd-64
[19:49] <newbird1> and using ndisgtk
[19:49] <newbird1> with atheros AR5700
[19:49] <newbird1> chipset
[19:50] <newbird1> i connect fine under windows...
[19:50] <newbird1> the system could pick up my dns server names to autopopulate into the network configuration panel...
[19:50] <newbird1> yet I don't get an ip address..
[19:51] <newbird1> is there some setting needed?
[19:51] <newbird1> grateful for any advice from the gurus here..
[19:52] <newbird1> hmm... i guess the gods here are a little busy...
[19:52] <newbird1> i'll fix the problem first for recovery mode..
[19:52] <newbird1> thanks pici!
[20:01] <pim> Why would my system refuse to mount a certain drive?
[20:02] <Pennycook> pim: Could be a number of things, do you have an error message?  Is it by any chance an NTFS drive?
[20:02] <pim> It is
[20:03] <athlon1> Hallo, Can anyone tell me if thereis a gui to integrate Kubuntu with Active Directory? Thanks
[20:03] <pim> $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)
[20:03] <Pennycook> pim: If it's shared with Windows, it will refuse to mount if Windows didn't shut down cleanly last time it booted.  You can get around it with the force option
[20:03] <pim> I suspect that is the problem
[20:03] <pim> Won't it damage the drive?
[20:04] <Pennycook> pim: I think ntfs-3g was re-written so force attempts to fix any errors it comes across; if you're really worried about it, though, you can always log back into Windows and ensure it shuts down cleanly.
[20:05] <pim> I just used the -t ntfs option
[20:06] <Monk3y-> anyone here haves Acer Aspire 3100? i wont get my wlan working on kubuntu..
[20:07] <Pennycook> pim: I think mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /mountpath -o force should do the trick
[20:07] <athlon1> if you have problems with a NTFS partition, you could do two things: 1- repair it with windows. 2- Install nftsprogs and use ntfsfix.
[20:08] <athlon1> I also had that problem...
[20:09] <Monk3y-> Hello. I'm having this problem with my WLAN card. It doesn't work by default, and I have no idea how I would get it working. Any help?
[20:12] <Monk3y-> anyone?
[20:12] <Pennycook> !patience | Monk3y-
[20:13] <Monk3y-> ok
[20:13] <Monk3y-> thanks anyways
[20:15] <pim> Can I set firefox as the standard browser?
[20:16] <KRF> pim, yes. system settings -> default apps
[20:16] <pim> ah thanks
[20:18] <Pete__> instead of mirroring the full repos for PXE boot could I just mount the iso on a loopback device and host that?
[20:19] <pim> KRF it made my taskbar dissappear
[20:19] <KRF> lol
[20:20] <Pete__> Ok, yes, looks like it can be done, my bad.
[20:21] <pim> KRF do you know how I get it back?
[20:21] <KRF> pim, alt+f2 -> kicker
[20:21] <KRF> in kde4
[20:21] <KRF> kde3*
[20:21] <pim> Thanks :p
[20:28] <pim> Anybody knows where the standard utorrent location is for saving unfinished files?
[20:46] <Monk3y-> Hello. I'm having this problem with my WLAN card. It doesn't work by default, and I have no idea how I would get it working. Any help?   sry for patience but im in a hurry
[20:47] <trappist> !wireless
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> Monk3y-: what card?
[20:47] <Monk3y-> Monk3y-: what card?
[20:47] <Monk3y-> oops
[20:47] <trappist> heh.
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> Monk3y-: monkey see. monkey do... ;)
[20:47] <pim> Monk3y you can always try google first, to see if anything specific comes up.
[20:48] <trappist> hahaha.
[20:48] <Monk3y-> pim, i did
[20:48] <pim> Hm too bad
[20:48] <Monk3y-> but.. im not a genius with this stuff :P
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> Monk3y-: what card was it?
[20:48] <Monk3y-> w8
[20:49] <Monk3y-> Acer Invilink(tm) 802.11b/g
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> Monk3y-: you can find out with "lspci | grep Network"
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> Monk3y-: what does ^ that command give?
[20:51] <Monk3y-> im not sure
[20:51] <Monk3y-> second
[20:51] <Monk3y-> or two
[20:53] <Monk3y-> i have to boot to linux..
[21:03] <[ifr0g]> !find soap
[21:08] <shadowhywind> hay all, i am going to go and make a backup of my entire partition onto another harddrive. I was wondering if there was an easy way to make it bootable from the other harddrive?
[21:12] <mute1> is there anyway to sort by popularity in kubuntu's adept?  you can in ubuntu, i can't seem to figure out a way to do it w/ kubuntu
[21:13] <genii> Back
[21:14] <genii> azzco: It wants to remove e2fsprogs... this has nothing to do with what repositories you are using. It's some other dependency issue.
[21:16] <genii> kiran_: What you do with the logrotate is make a conf file that does not alow the logs to become so bloated. Say limited to a meg or two, etc. Then forcibly run it to make the huge ones archived, after which you can delete them or whatever you want.
[21:16] <azzco> okay thanks for clearing that up genii, I'm just going to install hardy from scratch instead..
[21:18] <Haza> What would be a good player for .avi's?
[21:18] <Haza> Does Kaffeine support thos codec?
[21:18] <Haza> *this
[21:19] <azzco> Haza: If you install them, yes
[21:19] <Haza> So what libraries would i be looking for? :)
[21:19] <azzco> !codec | Haza
[21:20] <Haza> azzco: Cheers mate :)
[21:24] <The_ManU_212> hi
[21:25] <The_ManU_212> when a play a special mp3 file with amraok its everytime "scratching" with mpalyer it wroks, what could be the reason
[21:25] <DarkriftX> anyone know if there are tools to do a dns lookup from the past? im trying to connect to a site whos nameservers seem to be down, and i need to find the ip
[21:25] <The_ManU_212> like a cd with scratches
[21:37] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhhhh im watchign videos which in kaffine r showing lines in the frames
[21:37] <eagles0513875> ill have to deal with that in the am
[21:39] <eagles0513875> night all
[21:46] <Colonel_Panic> anybody know what font is used in the Adept appliacation in Hardy?
[22:00] <justin_> hey everyone, I'm trying to get flash to work in opera, I have opera 9.20 and kubuntu 8.04.  I have all the plugins installed and the locations are set in opera's settings, but still nothing works.  What do I do?
[22:02] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[22:07] <[Relic]> I got ksensors read all cores as core 0 which makes for a bad time know which core is getting hot, any fixes?
[22:10] <DarkriftX> can someone do me a favor? i need to see if the hardy version of firebug will install on my 7.10 install (firefox3). Basically i need soemone to check if there is a package that someone can download and send me so i can try it
[22:11] <Pennycook> DarkriftX: You want to install a Hardy package on Gutsy?
[22:11] <DarkriftX> gonna try
[22:11] <jussi01> DarkriftX: definately not recomeded
[22:11] <DarkriftX> is it that risky?
[22:11] <Pennycook> Yup.
[22:12] <Pennycook> Is Firebug a Firefox extension?
[22:12] <DarkriftX> i mean, its an extension, i figured it wouldnt have many depends etc
[22:12] <DarkriftX> yes Pennycook
[22:12] <DarkriftX> their server has been down for a week
[22:12] <jceb> Hola Amigos mios!!!
[22:12] <jceb> jeje!
[22:12] <jussi01> DarkriftX: very risky. However, ubuntu packages are available at packages.ubuntu.com (but still dont)
[22:12] <DarkriftX> and will be for a while now (fire in the server farm)
[22:12] <jceb> nobody else, write in spanish
[22:12] <jceb> ?
[22:12] <jussi01> !es | jceb
[22:12] <Pennycook> !es | jceb
[22:12] <jussi01> hehe
[22:13] <jceb> here i'm fine, thanks :D
[22:13] <Pennycook> DarkriftX: What's wrong with installing the package through Firefox?
[22:13] <lment> hmm
[22:13] <DarkriftX> Pennycook, the server is down
[22:13] <DarkriftX> only download location
[22:14] <Exilant> nothing wrong with trying a package
[22:14] <DarkriftX> the firefox page links to the download server and also i dont think the beta i need is avail on the firefox "get updates" section
[22:14] <DarkriftX> ive spent hours looking for a mirror with no luck
[22:14] <Exilant> as long as it's not some really important stuff, few things can break
[22:15] <Pennycook> DarkriftX: What's wrong with http://fireclipse.xucia.com/files/fireclipse/firebug-1.1.0b10.xpi
[22:15] <DarkriftX> holy wtf dude
[22:15] <DarkriftX> ive been on that network 10 time and always get "firebug has moved"
[22:15] <Pennycook> Google-fu. :)
[22:16] <DarkriftX> yeah, ive been googling
[22:16] <DarkriftX> what did you search?
[22:16] <Pennycook> "http://fireclipse.xucia.com/files/fireclipse/firebug-1.1.0b10.xpi"
[22:16] <Pennycook> XD
[22:16] <Pennycook> Well, just the xpi filename
[22:16] <Exilant> hm, packages.ubuntu.com works for me
[22:16] <Exilant> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/firebug/download
[22:17] <Exilant> or did i miss something?
[22:17] <DarkriftX> i found it too, but im not running hardy
[22:17] <Pennycook> Exilant: He's running Gutsy.
[22:17] <DarkriftX> so was told not to use it
[22:17] <lment> or are u hardy running?
[22:17] <lment> ah i rock
[22:18] <tzd> I'm looking for a good alternative to the rss reader akregator... any suggestions please? Used akregator but recently it's lagging like crazy :/
[22:19] <Exilant> ok
[22:20] <DarkriftX> ok, good thing is i downloaded it
[22:20] <DarkriftX> bad is that firefox doesnt seem to recognize it :s
[22:20] <DarkriftX> gonna try linking it from one of my pages and see if it will install taht way
[22:21] <DarkriftX> when i open that link, it opens it as like a folder or something (I get save, view, close buttons) with a tree view format :s
[22:22] <Pennycook> DarkriftX: Weird.  When I click it I get a typical install option.
[22:22] <DarkriftX> you running firefox 3 ?
[22:23] <Pennycook> Yeah.
[22:27] <DarkriftX> odd
[22:27] <DarkriftX> i even put it on one of my sites and gave a link to it, now it just wants to download :S
[22:27] <[Relic]> ?? nvidia restricted
[22:28] <Pennycook> DarkriftX: Have you tried installing it via Firefox's "Install add-ons" thing?  If you press "Install..." I think it asks you to go looking for the file.
[22:28] <DarkriftX> really
[22:28] <DarkriftX> ill try that
[22:29] <DarkriftX> nope, i dont get anything like that
[22:29] <DarkriftX> just takes me to a website with addons
[22:31] <Pennycook> DarkriftX: Have you tried dragging the .xpi onto it?
[22:31] <DarkriftX> lemme try taht
[22:31] <DarkriftX> nice
[22:31] <DarkriftX> ty much
[22:31] <DarkriftX> that worked
[22:34] <DarkriftX> lol
[22:34] <DarkriftX> the problem was another extension i had installed (archview) and never used (so i didnt know what i was seeing). archview lets you view inside of archives before downloading them....
[22:39] <transupergeek> umm... hi!
[22:39] <Pennycook> !hi
[22:40] <transupergeek> thanks
[22:40] <transupergeek> i'm trying torun kubuntu x64 off the live cd but it hangs on the splashscreen
[22:41] <transupergeek> with no splashscreen it get to a point after it detects the sata drives
[22:42] <transupergeek> i've tried with acpi=off noapic, nolapic, and irqpoll as boot options but they don't seem to help
[22:42] <transupergeek> any ideas? (brand new machine)
[22:42] <coucouf> have you tried removing "splash" from the boot line ?
[22:42] <transupergeek> yes
[22:43] <coucouf> so it should not hang on the splash, when it's disabled, does it ?
[22:43] <coucouf> :)
[22:44] <[Relic]> any ideas on how to get the restricted driver install for nvidia if it doesn't show in the program
[22:44] <NekosolTeraDyne> transupergeek, Did you make sure the CD burned correctly by running the "Check CD for Defects" option on the book selection menu?
[22:44] <Pennycook> [Relic]: I think the package is called nvidia-glx-new
[22:45] <arrrghhh> ok so installing nvidia-settings worked, my 2nd monitor i can now configure... sort of.  the resolution isn't being detected at all, and i managed to get it to 800x600, but it won't let me select a resolution or put a custom one in.
[22:46] <jals> hi, how do i prevent this - "system policy prevents mounting internal media" - when i try to access the files of a second hard drive?
[22:46] <transupergeek> coucouf: very funny =P  it hangs after SATA init and ssays uniform cd rom driver and hangs there
[22:46] <coucouf> transupergeek: you could also try the "alternate" CD. The installation process is a bit uglier, but not so much complicated.
[22:47] <arrrghhh> my laptop screen has tons of selections, from 320x240 to 1920x1200 (its max res) but my 2nd monitor is stuck to 800x600 with no options for resolution in nvidia-settings
[22:47] <transupergeek> what does the alternate cd have?
[22:47] <arrrghhh> jals, are you mounting from livecd or actual install?
[22:47] <jals> actual install
[22:47] <arrrghhh> transupergeek, text (debian) installer.
[22:47] <coucouf> a text installer :)
[22:48] <arrrghhh> which i don't see why it isn't included in the desktop cd as an option from the menu... but whatever :P
[22:50] <arrrghhh> so how can i fix my monitor's resolution?  why doesn't nvidia-settings have resolution options like it does for my laptop screen?  obviously it's detecting a lot about my laptop screen and virtually nothing about my monitor...
[22:51] <jals> hmm
[22:51] <jals> i had no issues with my resolution for once this time
[22:51] <arrrghhh> my desktop this monitor and an hdtv worked perfectly, detected both perfectly
[22:52] <arrrghhh> no such luck for this monitor & my laptop...
[22:52] <jals> arrrghhh, did you enquire about my install cos you knew about my issue?
[22:52] <arrrghhh> jals, when you try to mount it should ask for a root pass does it not?
[22:52] <arrrghhh> well i've had your issue before
[22:52] <jals> arrrghhh, it does, i want to prevent that
[22:53] <arrrghhh> and for me it *seemed* like it was fixed... sometimes i would run dolphin as root tho.
[22:53] <jals> oh
[22:53] <arrrghhh> jals, you need root access to mount drives.
[22:53] <jals> ah so i need to mount them as root
[22:53] <arrrghhh> it's not good to run dolphin as root
[22:53] <arrrghhh> yea
[22:53] <arrrghhh> entries in fstab would mount them on boot
[22:53] <arrrghhh> /etc/fstab sorry
[22:53] <jals> right, i guess that's what i need
[22:53] <arrrghhh> yessir
[22:53] <jals> ubuntu 7.04 did that automatically
[22:54] <arrrghhh> hrm
[22:54] <arrrghhh> usually does for me too.  linux does unpredictable things sometimes.
[22:54] <Pennycook> jals: It's something new with Hardy from what I can tell; if you don't tell it what to do during the install now, it defaults to "do not use this media" and doesn't give it anywhere to mount by default.
[22:54] <jals> darn
[22:55] <jals> what's a good kde text editor
[22:55] <arrrghhh> Pennycook, ah... that's unfortunate.
[22:55] <arrrghhh> kate
[22:55] <jals> not familiar with default apps
[22:55] <arrrghhh> kwrite
[22:56] <arrrghhh> i like kate, but i transfered some stuff to a windows machine and notepad had all my notes as one looooong line...
[22:56] <Pennycook> arrrghhh: Not Kate's fault; Linux, Windows and Mac actually signify newlines differently.  Windows only uses Carriage Return, I think.
[22:57] <genii> It uses that ^M
[22:57] <The_ManU_212> why shows bkid uuid with "" but fstab need it without ""?
[22:57] <arrrghhh> Pennycook, i figured it was something like that... linux is usually good about portability tho, i'm just used to stuff working back and forth so it surprises me when stuff like that happens.
[22:57] <The_ManU_212> and how to mount ah partition with UUID in fstab manually?
[22:58] <arrrghhh> The_ManU_212, i've mounted stuff in fstab w/o the UUID... but if the location in /dev moves than the mount doesn't work...
[22:58] <Pennycook> arrrghhh: Yeah, it's a silly little thing.
[22:59] <arrrghhh> it does happen...
[22:59] <The_ManU_212> arrrghhh: if the location in /dev moves how do you mean?
[22:59] <coucouf> do a ls -l /dev/disks/by-uuid, it'll give you the /dev <-> UUID mapping
[22:59] <arrrghhh> well in place of the UUID put the location in /dev.  like /dev/sda5
[22:59] <coucouf> ah, sorry, misread
[22:59] <Pennycook> The_ManU_212: The line should look something like this: "UUID=uuidgoeshere /mountpoint type options dump pass
[22:59] <arrrghhh> The_ManU_212, or do what coucouf said
[23:00] <coucouf> yes, replace the /dev/xxx by a UUID=
[23:00] <coucouf> the UUID won't change whereas the /dev/xxx *may* change
[23:00] <arrrghhh> yesh and when the /dev/xxx changes than drives no mounting !
[23:01] <genii> Or errors being spit out because a definition in fstab for /dev/xxx says wrong options
[23:01] <coucouf> that's when you have bad luck, in fact I don't think I've seen it change already :)
[23:01] <arrrghhh> so if nvidia-settings is detecting my laptop monitor perfectly and my external monitor as being present but that's about it... do i force the resolution in xorg.conf?
[23:03] <coucouf> arrrghhh: hmm, that's something else, I've always wondered how to do it, especially now that the xorg.conf looses parameters with each Ubuntu release :)
[23:03] <genii> arrrghhh: You should specify a line of settings in case the first one doesn't work for some reason. Then at least you can cycle them with the trusty ctrl shift numpad+     or ctrl shift numpad-
[23:04] <arrrghhh> yea.  i wish nvidia-settings was installed and maybe a menu option or even integrated into the monitor/resolution section... cuz it's not included with the restricted driver by default apparently.
[23:04] <genii> Maybe just ctrl numpad+/- I forget atm
[23:05] <coucouf> the aticonfig command line utility has plenty of options that fill the xorg.conf, maybe nvidia has sth equivalent ?
[23:06] <arrrghhh> uh
[23:06] <arrrghhh> there's nvidia-xconfig...
[23:07] <arrrghhh> i'll pastebin my xorg.conf
[23:07] <arrrghhh> http://pastebin.com/ddada8d1
[23:08] <coucouf> well, sounds kinda good, the only problem would be that I have no idea how to force a resolution in xorg.conf :)
[23:08] <arrrghhh> i think the option "metamode" supersedes anything and is part of the settings autodetection...
[23:09] <arrrghhh> well i sort of know how but it's not working out so well lol
[23:10] <arrrghhh> i wonder why it's being detected so poorly when linux has always detected (along with the nvidia drivers/panel) and setup my screens well...
[23:11] <coucouf> well, be on my way to bed, good luck !
[23:11] <arrrghhh> i guess i shouldn't say always.  i've had some trouble with this in the past...
[23:11] <arrrghhh> ok
[23:12] <jals> does this look right for mounting my partition in fstab guys?
[23:12] <jals> UUID=12FCD85CE1DBCB29 /media/hdc5 ntfs auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=003,utf8 0 1
[23:13] <jals> i just copied it from my ubuntu fstab
[23:15] <jals> actually i seem to remember having issues with this on ubuntu so i used the ntfs config tool
[23:16] <The_ManU_212> coucouf: bkid shopws another id as  ls -l /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[23:16] <The_ManU_212> i made a new filesystem
[23:16] <The_ManU_212> and want to change the uuid in fstab
[23:16] <coucouf> you should probably trust blkid then
[23:18] <arrrghhh> jals, my uuid's are entered way differently from yours...
[23:18] <jessica> ok something really really strange just happend, im on amsn and it sent someone a message that i had never ever typed
[23:19] <jessica> like a msn virus would in windows but im in ubuntu
[23:19] <jals> arrrghhh, hmm
[23:19] <jals> oh well i'll find out next boot if it worked!
[23:19] <coucouf> try mount -a
[23:19] <coucouf> no need to reboot
[23:20] <jals> yeah, that did not work, i think i tried to mount to the wrong place
[23:20] <arrrghhh> jals, look how your "/" mount is setup...
[23:20] <coucouf> the /media/hdc6 must exist
[23:20] <arrrghhh> or if you mount /home separately look at that
[23:20] <arrrghhh> lol that too
[23:20] <jals> hmm
[23:21] <jals> says no such file or directory
[23:21] <jals> failed to access mountpoint
[23:21] <arrrghhh> jals, does /media/hdc6 exist or did you just make it up?
[23:21] <coucouf> did you create /media/hdc6 ?
[23:22] <jals> arrrghhh, i copied the name kubuntu seemed to give it
[23:22] <jals> when it was mounted
[23:22] <jals> ok how do i create these locations?
[23:22] <jessica> dose anyone know anything about some how wht looked to me like a msn virus getting on to linux
[23:22] <coucouf> sudo mkdir /media/hdc67
[23:22] <coucouf> -7
[23:23] <jals> oh they're just directories? ok
[23:23] <coucouf> yup
[23:23] <jals> ok neat once i created the dirs and did mount -a i got no errors
[23:23] <arrrghhh> everything is a directory lol  everything is a file
[23:23] <coucouf> try ls /media/hdc6, you should see the content
[23:24] <jals> indeed i do
[23:24] <jals> tidy
[23:24] <jals> thanks
[23:25] <arrrghhh> guten
[23:25] <jals> think i'm preferring kde to gnome now
[23:25] <arrrghhh> jals, i definitely do.
[23:25] <coucouf> I like both, depends on my mood, now is KDE time :)
[23:26] <arrrghhh> in gnome things are too simplified.  kde gives you a lot more options openly - not that you don't have options in gnome...
[23:26] <jals> i mean i guess it's not a far comparison
[23:26] <coucouf> well that used to be so, now I'm not so sure
[23:26] <jmichaelx> in order to run google gadgets, is it necessary to have compiz (or something similar) running?
[23:26] <jals> i'm comparing ubuntu gutsy to kubuntu hardy
[23:27] <arrrghhh> ubuntu hardy is a lot different
[23:27] <arrrghhh> kubuntu gutsy -> hardy was a game of catchup
[23:27] <arrrghhh> a lot of behind the scenes stuff
[23:27] <coucouf> when you install KDE4, yes, otherwise... :)
[23:27] <jals> oh yeah i'm waiting for kde 4.1 i think
[23:28] <arrrghhh> well yea.  that project is not-so-much ready yet
[23:28] <jals> amarok 2 as well \o/
[23:28] <arrrghhh> it's good... but has a lot of backend work with plasma and phonon
[23:28] <arrrghhh> ja
[23:28] <The_ManU_212> coucouf: the bkid was the wrong one, the one in /dev/ was right
[23:29] <coucouf> The_ManU_212: OK, sry I would've thought the contrary
[23:29]  * genii decides to wait for KDE5
[23:29] <The_ManU_212> coucouf: but why, dows bkid not read directly from disk?
[23:30] <genii> Then I'll likely go to 4.x
[23:30]  * The_ManU_212 decides to use kde 5.5+
[23:30] <coucouf> The_ManU_212: I thought so, thus my advice...
[23:30] <The_ManU_212> coucouf: ok
[23:30] <coucouf> maybe it has some sort of cache, had you restarted since you created the filesystem ?
[23:30] <coucouf> well anyway it's strange
[23:31] <ibou> could someone try to connect to freedb via easytag, eac or xcfa and say me if it's working fine please ?
[23:32] <Odd-rationale> ibou: i have easytag. the catalog search seems to be working for me...
[23:33] <toker> hi all...
[23:34] <coucouf> The_ManU_212: man blkid talks about a cache, that's it :)
[23:34] <The_ManU_212> coucouf: ah ok :) and the name in /dev/ ahs to be the right one after a mkfs, or the system is broken...
[23:35] <ibou> Odd-rationale: are you talking about the manual search or automatic one ?
[23:35] <toker> I seem to remember there being a collection of files I need to install into kubuntu so I can compile some programs by hand.. and I seem to remember there being a real nice apt-get that installed most of the ordinarily needed stuff but can't remember what it's name was.. sound familiar to anyone here?
[23:37] <coucouf> aptitude install build-essentials
[23:39] <toker> coucouf: thanks :)
[23:39] <jessica> !firewall
[23:39] <ibou> Odd-rationale: anyone ?
[23:43] <coucouf> be carefull with firestarter, I think it doesn't get along well with the gnome network-manager those times
[23:43] <ibou> could someone try to connect to freedb via easytag, eac or xcfa and say me if it's working fine please ?
[23:43] <navetz> can someone do a ls -l /dev/scd0 and tell me what it says (if your cdrom is located at scd0 that is)
[23:44] <genii> navetz: brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-06-10 17:47 /dev/scd0                  but it's made automatically by udev
[23:44] <coucouf> depends on the CD-ROM in the drie :p
[23:44] <coucouf> *drive
[23:45] <navetz> genii: ok mine looks like that to, and my cdrom works for reading cd's, but I cannot burn.
[23:45] <bdizzle> hi
[23:45] <Awsoonn> does kubuntu install via Ubiquity?
[23:45] <coucouf> whoops, sorry, that doesn't depend on what's in the drive
[23:45] <genii> navetz: Conceivably the burning laser is shot but the reading laser still works
[23:46] <bdizzle> question for some people
[23:46] <coucouf> Awsoonn: yes, the installer looks quite the same
[23:46] <bdizzle> how do I turn on large texture support and DXTC in driconf?
[23:46] <navetz> genii: think so? is there a way to tell?
[23:46] <genii> navetz: Have another cd drive?
[23:47] <Awsoonn> coucouf: Thank you.
[23:47] <genii> navetz: You could boot livecd to second cd drive, then try burning something on the one thats supect
[23:47] <navetz> genii: I don't, I know burning use to work for me though. but i think I messed something up in my filesystem gui tool
[23:48] <genii> navetz: Conceivably you have some fstab entry that trys to mount the cd drive as some other thing
[23:51] <MachinTrucChose> Hi. I have 2 hard drives, both formatted as ext3. I would like to install Windows XP in order to dual-boot to play games. Can I get away with creating a 20gb FAT32/NTFS partition for Windows, or do I need to worry about the Windows bootloader not being on the first 100mb of the disk and such nonsense?
[23:51] <MachinTrucChose> better yet, is there some sort of Wubi equivalent for running Windows on a virtual file system?
[23:52] <glen_> is there ktorrent or amarok available for kde 4?
[23:52] <glen_> i'm running 4.1 beta 1
[23:52] <MachinTrucChose> try #kubuntu-kde4
[23:52] <glen_> ah, apologies :)
[23:52] <coucouf> ktorrent is, I don't know about amarok, my KDE 4.0 still has amarok/kde3
[23:53] <glen_> coucouf, hmm.. how did you install ktorrent? simply from the default repos?
[23:54] <coucouf> yes, the package is ktorrent-kde4 in hardy
[23:55] <sven_oostenbrink> Anybody has experience with SELinunx in kubuntu?
[23:56] <sven_oostenbrink> Im using Kubuntu on a server and I would like to place it under SELinux to make it a bit more secure..
[23:57] <glen_> sven_oostenbrink, you may have more luck in #ubuntu as the process will be the same
[23:58] <sven_oostenbrink> glen_> thanks!