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| jml | barry: hi | 03:00 |
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| barry | jml: hi | 03:00 |
| barry | #startmeeting | 03:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 21:02. The chair is barry. | 03:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 03:00 |
| barry | yay! | 03:00 |
| barry | welcome to this week's asiapac reviewer's meeting. who's here today? | 03:01 |
| * jml is reminded to file a bug on Python | 03:01 | |
| jml | barry: I am. | 03:01 |
| barry | thumper: ping? | 03:01 |
| barry | mwhudson: ping | 03:01 |
| * barry guesses thumper knows barry will rant at him about pqm :) | 03:02 | |
| thumper | hi | 03:02 |
| thumper | barry: now why would you rant about pqm? | 03:02 |
| barry | thumper: i'd like it to vanish more of my branches please! :) | 03:03 |
| barry | [TOPIC] agenda | 03:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 03:03 |
| thumper | barry: I could delete them for you? | 03:03 |
| barry | * Roll call | 03:04 |
| barry | * Next meeting | 03:04 |
| barry | * Action items | 03:04 |
| barry | * Queue status | 03:04 |
| barry | * Mentoring update | 03:04 |
| barry | * Review process | 03:04 |
| barry | * make pqm not broken | 03:04 |
| barry | thumper: then i could just stop working on branches too! excellent | 03:04 |
| thumper | slacking FTW! | 03:04 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Next meeting | 03:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Next meeting | 03:04 |
| barry | everyone okay with today += week(1) | 03:04 |
| thumper | +1 | 03:05 |
| barry | jml: i know you are too :) | 03:05 |
| jml | :) | 03:05 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Action items | 03:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Action items | 03:05 |
| barry | nothing on asiapac iirc | 03:05 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Queue status | 03:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Queue status | 03:05 |
| mwhudson | ah, as traditional, i missed the start of the meeting, sorry | 03:06 |
| * jml files http://bugs.python.org/issue3071 | 03:06 | |
| barry | mwhudson: no problem! i was just about to assign all the GQ branches to you! | 03:06 |
| mwhudson | heh heh | 03:06 |
| barry | jml: cool | 03:06 |
| jml | barry: I've been griping about Python's default exception messages for ages now. | 03:07 |
| jml | barry: time to do so productively :) | 03:07 |
| barry | jml: especially with the first betas going out on wednesday! (perhaps) | 03:07 |
| barry | i don't have much on the queue status | 03:08 |
| barry | i'm going to assign the 4 GQ branches after this meeting, but other than that, things look okay | 03:08 |
| barry | i had test failures in the one adeuring branch i started today | 03:08 |
| mwhudson | oh hey, i got assigned a branch | 03:08 |
| sinzui | not from me | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | i totally didn't notice | 03:09 |
| barry | mwhudson: you should run bac's script! | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | barry: we should fix launchpad! | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | etc etc | 03:09 |
| barry | that too :) | 03:09 |
| * jml notices Python 2.5 actually does a lot better at error messages than 2.4. | 03:10 | |
| barry | jml: 2.5 rocks. we really need to switch to it | 03:10 |
| barry | anything on the queue from y'all? | 03:10 |
| jml | barry: damn straight. I want to use defgen :) | 03:10 |
| sinzui | mwhudson: hmm. I think I did make a mistake. that branch looks familiar. I think I meant to assign it to bigjools | 03:11 |
| * barry wants with statements! | 03:11 | |
| thumper | FWIW abentley is working on the branch that will email the reviewer when nominated for a review | 03:11 |
| mwhudson | will the zope upgrade get us any close to being ready to use 2.5 ? | 03:11 |
| barry | thumper: how long before you think we'll be able to do all our reviews in lp? | 03:11 |
| sinzui | barry: start debugging the zope 3.4 branch. It works except for that giant hole I putting in importfacsist. | 03:11 |
| thumper | hacky ones in about 3 or 4 weeks | 03:12 |
| thumper | with shiney happy people, probably about 8 | 03:12 |
| barry | sinzui: fred drake tells me they (zc) runs zope all the time on py2.5 | 03:12 |
| barry | thumper: that will rock | 03:12 |
| mwhudson | sinzui: ok, are you going to move that branch out of my queue? | 03:13 |
| sinzui | barry: I bet. but importfascists and zope 3.4 conflict. I sacrificed the former for zope | 03:13 |
| sinzui | mwhudson: I will | 03:13 |
| mwhudson | sinzui: thanks | 03:13 |
| barry | sinzui: dang. where's the branch? | 03:13 |
| barry | anyway. moving on... | 03:14 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Mentoring update | 03:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Mentoring update | 03:14 |
| barry | skipped as usual... | 03:14 |
| mwhudson | n/a | 03:14 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Review process | 03:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Review process | 03:14 |
| barry | * make pqm not broken | 03:14 |
| barry | so... thumper i'm told you're pqm-man now! :) | 03:15 |
| thumper | hah | 03:15 |
| jml | what's the PQM break? | 03:15 |
| jml | looks just fine to me. | 03:15 |
| jml | or at least as good as it's ever been :) | 03:15 |
| barry | there are several problems, but the most severe symptom is that branches are getting disappeared all the time | 03:15 |
| barry | they fail and nobody gets notified | 03:16 |
| jml | ahh ok. | 03:16 |
| jml | that *is* pretty bad. | 03:16 |
| sinzui | Isn't that directly cause by the make check change from 60 minutes to 15 minutes? | 03:16 |
| barry | jml: it's doubly bad because grepping through the logs is PAINFUL | 03:16 |
| barry | since the logs don't include branch information unless they succeed :( | 03:16 |
| thumper | barry: where are the logs? | 03:16 |
| barry | sinzui: yes, that's what flacoste thinks | 03:16 |
| mwhudson | this sounds like something that needs help from an OSA | 03:16 |
| jml | I see. | 03:16 |
| mwhudson | not us | 03:16 |
| barry | thumper: devpad | 03:17 |
| thumper | barry: where on devpad? | 03:17 |
| mwhudson | sinzui: i don't see the connection instantly | 03:17 |
| barry | thumper: /srv/lp-pqm-logs | 03:17 |
| thumper | barry: thanks | 03:17 |
| jml | barry: do we know that this is a bug in PQM itself? | 03:17 |
| barry | francis and i talked about a few things: first, if merges get killed, we should still see notifications, which i think today we don't | 03:18 |
| barry | jml: we don't, but that's the suspicion | 03:18 |
| barry | second issue is figuring out why sometimes you get no output for 15+ minutes | 03:18 |
| mwhudson | but the vicious killing after 15 minutes isn't anything to do with pqm | 03:18 |
| mwhudson | it's something test.py or shh.py or something does | 03:19 |
| barry | mwhudson: aren't the logs maintained and sent by pqm? | 03:19 |
| mwhudson | yes | 03:19 |
| jml | barry: has anyone tried to reproduce the issue? | 03:19 |
| mwhudson | but pqm doesn | 03:19 |
| barry | mwhudson: right. but no one has reproduced the 15 minute hang on dev boxes | 03:19 |
| mwhudson | 't look at the logs | 03:19 |
| * jml meant the lack-of-notification issue. | 03:20 | |
| barry | jml: not to my knowledge | 03:20 |
| jml | barry: ok. | 03:20 |
| barry | third problem was lack of branch information in the logs unless the merge succeeds | 03:20 |
| barry | but if pqm doesn't write the logs, i guess it can't do that | 03:21 |
| thumper | pqm does write a log file | 03:22 |
| thumper | several actually | 03:22 |
| barry | we need a plan though, 'cause it's killing productivity. e.g. branches are getting stacked up beause parent branches aren't landing and then no one knows why | 03:22 |
| jml | in my ignorance, I'd say that PQM ought to keep a log of requests it receives and what it does with them. | 03:22 |
| thumper | jml: it does | 03:22 |
| thumper | barry: are the bugs filed against pqm? | 03:22 |
| jml | thumper: but not enough information to identify the branch? | 03:22 |
| mwhudson | i can't find any logs on devpad in the last 50 that seem to have been killed for lack of activity | 03:22 |
| mwhudson | but maybe i'm grepping for the wrong things | 03:23 |
| jml | thumper: well, the first issue isn't yet known to be an issue with PQM. | 03:23 |
| barry | thumper: i don't know. i will talk with francis in the morning and get some bugs opened | 03:23 |
| jml | thumper: although it's a decent place to start, I guess. | 03:23 |
| thumper | pqm is still pretty fresh in my mind | 03:23 |
| thumper | so feel free to send them my way if urgent | 03:23 |
| barry | thumper: thanks. i think the lack of notification is the most immediate concern. devs could fix their branch problems if they knew why they bounced | 03:24 |
| barry | [ACTION] barry to talk with francis and get pqm bugs opened | 03:24 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: barry to talk with francis and get pqm bugs opened | 03:24 |
| barry | that's all i've got. does anybody have anything not on the agenda? | 03:25 |
| barry | nope? okay, thanks everyone! see you next week | 03:26 |
| barry | #endmeeting | 03:26 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 21:28. | 03:26 |
| mwhudson | barry: why do you think that branches are getting killed for inactivity? | 03:26 |
| barry | mwhudson: we don't know. it shouldn't be happening | 03:36 |
| mwhudson | barry: no, i mean | 03:36 |
| mwhudson | barry: what is it that makes you think the branches are being killed in this way? | 03:37 |
| mwhudson | barry: because i don't see much evidence for it myself | 03:37 |
| barry | mwhudson: we're just guessing. it seems like branches are disappearing more now that we bumped that down, but it's just a guess | 03:37 |
| mwhudson | barry: are the branches disappearing to the extent of not producing logs on devpad? | 03:38 |
| barry | mwhudson: no, they are producing logs afaict. mars found one of my disappeared branches in the logs after some clever sleuthing | 03:39 |
| mwhudson | barry: ok, because grepping logs suggests only two branches have been killed for hanging since the change to a 15 minute timeout | 03:39 |
| barry | mwhudson: interesting. i think in my case, bzr actually complained (branch format problem because this was a loomed branch). so i wonder if more of them are happening because bzr failures don't get notifications | 03:40 |
| mwhudson | it's possible | 03:41 |
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