[00:05] hello, I was wondering what the reason is for the existence of pages like https://launchpad.net/~michael, where they are for users which don't use launchpad === Rinchen-phone is now known as Rinchen [00:20] mrooney: they are created when a package from debian is merged or something like that [00:21] stdin: I see, do they serve a useful purpose? [00:21] I am moderately active on Launchpad and was hoping to register that nickname [00:22] mrooney: Well, if that person doesn't actually use Launchpad it's possible that they could be renamed to free up the namespace. I'd suggest you file a question at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad requesting that that name be assigned to you (or at least freed up). [00:23] * stdin was about to say ^ that ^ [00:26] Great minds and all that. [00:26] gmb, stdin: thanks! [00:27] should the topic of the question be generic like "How can an unused nickname be removed from the namespace?" or should it be specific to this instance? [00:28] mrooney: Be specifc so that an admin can help you out without having to ask a lot of questions. [01:03] great, I got ~michael, but lost ~mrooney as a result. is there any way to have two? like an alias? [01:05] mrooney: you could form a team with one member, perhaps. [01:06] mrooney: however, I think the general principle is "one name per person". [01:06] mrooney, no, not today. [01:07] fair enough, thanks! [01:07] and if you file a bug requesting that I'll regret having renamed ~michael in the first place!!! [01:07] kiko: no no, I don't want to cheat the system or anything! [01:07] just curious [01:08] :) [01:08] thanks for the fast turn around, launchpad itself appears to be quite an efficient machine from looking at the questions [01:09] we try harder! [01:09] unfortunately we have many more requests to handle :) [01:44] hi, ive just registered a new project of mine on launchpad. I was wondering where is the best place to host the files? where is most popular? [01:46] Bodsda: LP does file hosting. Just stuff the source in bzr and put the files in /+download [01:46] Bodsda, on launchpad itself :) [01:47] oh i didnt know i can host on launchpad,.,.ty [01:49] kiko, persia -- so im after the green "Import your project" button? [01:50] Bodsda, no, first register a project release under a series, such as trunk. [01:50] Bodsda, then, upload files! [01:52] kiko, sorry i dont really undertsand,.,. ive registered the project on launchpad. Then gone to the code tab, after not knowing what to do i clicked on the learn more for the creat a branch, which took me here -- https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingAHostedBranch [01:52] is this right so far? [01:53] Bodsda, nope. [01:54] Bodsda, well, what sort of files are you uploading, and what for? [01:54] kiko, they are python scripts so just text files [01:55] Bodsda, the question I have is whether this is something you want to do version control of, or whether it represents a project release. [01:56] kiko, version control [01:56] Bodsda, ah! so tell me first, do you already have a CVS or SVN repository with these? [01:57] im guessing that i dont as i dont know what a CVS or SVN repo is [01:58] kiko, do i need one? [01:59] nope! [01:59] Bodsda, all you need to do is create a bzr branch containing your scripts [01:59] and push to launchpad [01:59] let me find you a tutorial. [02:00] kiko, thankyou,.,.i think i need one,.,.;~) [02:02] Bodsda, 3 links follow. [02:02] http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html [02:02] http://www.justuber.com/blog/2007/04/25/how-to-use-bazaar-and-launchpad-for-hosting-your-code/ [02:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadStepByStepInstructions [02:02] Bodsda, how's that? :) [02:02] kiko, wicked,.cheers,.;~) [02:02] cookie for you [02:02] enjoy your evening [02:02] * Bodsda hands kiko a cookie [02:02] I'm off to bed! === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz [02:02] night [02:14] good evening, i'm working on add-5-a-day and it is currently locked by jorge@bazaar.launchpad.net can i bzr break-lock on it does someone else need to do it? [02:15] You should confirm with him that he's not actually doing something with it at the moment... [02:16] jjesse, how long has it been held? [02:16] jcastro, ping ^^^ [02:16] 35 minutes [02:16] hmmm [02:16] my bad [02:16] apparently I was suspending while committing [02:16] let me clean it up [02:16] what a great idea! :) [02:17] :) [02:17] jcastro: that's generally a bad thing, isn't it? :) [02:17] hi, when i try to push my files to launchpad i get this error -- bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "sftp://Bodsda@bazaar.launchpad.net/~Bodsda/termTutor/termTutor": Unable to import paramiko (required for sftp support): No module named paramiko [02:18] whats should i do? [02:18] ajmitch: well, I didn't think it would take THAT long [02:18] Bodsda: Install paramiko? [02:18] jcastro: racing to see which would finish first? [02:18] Bodsda, how are you pushing to launchpad? [02:18] Bodsda, are you doing bzr push lp:... ? [02:18] Peng, there is no package in ubuntu repo's called paramiko [02:19] Bodsda: apt-get install python-paramiko, then. [02:19] kiko-zzz, bzr push sftp://Bodsda@bazaar.launchpad.net/~Bodsda/termTutor/termTutor [02:19] Bodsda: try using ssh+bzr:// [02:19] Bodsda: If you used lp:~Bodsda/termTutor/termTutor, it would use bzr+ssh, which is faster. [02:19] Or use bzr+ssh directly, yeah. [02:19] Bodsda, okay, some tips there. first, use bzr+ssh:// instead of sftp:// [02:19] which ever way round it is [02:19] Peng, cheers im installing python-paramiko now [02:19] Bodsda, second, the name in the URL is your launchpad ID, which is lowercase [02:20] Bodsda, don't use sftp:// if you can avoid it -- its support will be removed soon anyway. [02:20] I really need to go now [02:20] It will? [02:20] Removed from LP? [02:20] yes [02:20] it is evil and eats hard drives and kittens [02:20] Isn't sftp necessary for upgrade? [02:20] kk,. cheers kiko-zzz [02:20] Peng, not that I know of -- but spiv and thumper will love telling you about that while I sleep. :) [02:22] kiko-zzz: bzr tells me that it can't aquire the remote lock [02:22] Peng: very soon, you'll be able to upgrade over bzr+ssh [02:22] sftp isn't *that* evil. [02:22] jcastro: what are you doing? [02:22] bzr commit in ~.5-a-day [02:23] er, ~.5-a-day-data actually [02:23] thumper: ok [02:24] ok, the push to launchpad said "Created new branch" -- where can i find the files? [02:25] Bodsda: What files? [02:25] Bodsda: What do you want to do with them? [02:25] Peng, the ones ive just uploaded (think thats what ive just done) [02:26] Bodsda: You can find the branch exactly where you put it. [02:26] Bodsda: If you want to download a file directly, you probably can from the code viewer (Loggerhead). [02:27] Peng, yeah thats what i though,.,. but in the code viewer it says there is no files,.,. is there a delay from the time i issue the command till they are downloadable/viewable online? [02:28] Bodsda: They'll be available from bzr instantly, but some other things will take a while. I wouldn't expect Loggerhead to, but it's possible. [02:29] a while == about a minute [02:29] fwiw [02:29] Peng, this is where im looking for them -- https://launchpad.net/termtutor/+download -- am i looking in the right place? [02:29] Bodsda: no [02:30] Bodsda: what is the branch page? [02:30] mwhudson, sorry im new to this,. i know the project page,.,.is that what you want? [02:30] Bodsda: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bodssocks/termtutor/termtutor/files [02:31] You can see the branches of termtutor listed at https://code.launchpad.net/termtutor/ [02:31] mwhudson, sorry just found it -- spiv,,.cheers,.was in the wrong place === Bodsda is now known as Bodsda| === Bodsda| is now known as Bodsda|AFK [02:34] jcastro, fixed? [02:35] kiko-zzz: yep [02:36] didn't know about "bzr break-lock" [02:36] handy [02:36] kiko-zzz: that will teach me to suspend my laptop right after a bugjam! [02:36] jcastro, heh [02:38] The next bzr release will tell you about "bzr break-lock" when it fails to acquire a lock. [04:23] okay, why am i hitting an internal server error? [04:40] Hobbsee: dunno, what are you doing? [04:42] mwhudson: i'm running a script of pitti's called buildd.py, and attempting to do a retry on a package. [04:42] ah [04:42] for any package i try to retry, i get a HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error. [04:45] hello [04:48] Hobbsee: do you get an oops id? [04:50] lifeless: it's via a script, so, no. [04:51] * Hobbsee looks [04:51] well, I would hack the script to get the content of the error, hopefully it will have an oops id [04:55] lifeless: i don't know python well enough to do that, it appears. [04:57] lifeless: the error is happening with the script at http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/buildd.py [04:59] * lifeless wipes the blood of his eyes [05:00] what line does it fail on [05:01] Hobbsee: Maybe work out which URL it's attempting to retrieve and go there manually? [05:01] lifeless: http://rafb.net/p/OEbg9E12.html [05:01] wgrant: alreayd tried that, and it seems to work. [05:01] wgrant: so i'm guessing that my python is not good enough to grok the right line, o rsomething. [05:03] * wgrant lacks privileges over that build, so goes back to calculus. [05:03] Hobbsee: so, around the last line - the urlopener line [05:03] lifeless: i think so [05:03] Hobbsee: add a try: ... except urllib2.HTTPError, e: [05:04] then do import pdb;pdb.set_trace() in the except block [05:04] when it fails, inspect e [05:06] get it to print out e.read() [05:06] and look for the OOPS [05:08] sigh. [05:08] retrying https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/1:2.4.2-2ubuntu1/+build/630041 (hppa) [05:08] Application error. Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication. [05:09] Shouldn't that 403? [05:09] It should. That's not a good excuse for a 500. [05:09] Well, technically 401, but we're not using HTTP auth. [05:10] * Hobbsee wonders why the cookie is not working, then [05:13] please file a bug [05:14] 500 is not appropriate ever in this case === lamont` is now known as lamont === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson [07:59] Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! === al-maisan__ is now known as al-maisan [09:34] can someone help me about #35788 questions? === mwhudson__ is now known as mwhudson [11:08] I have a question about the +editlanguages setting about language preferences: I can check multiple languages - but how do I order them in the way of what language I actually do prefer over others, besides to which I am able to read/want to have displayed at all? [11:17] is there a way to make loggerhead wrap lines in commit messages? it's kind of hard to read a paragraph as one realy long line === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [12:04] Rhonda: I'm not sure +editlanguages means what you think it does. It's not for the Launchpad interface language, it's for which languages you want to see (stats for) when translating, and other Launchpad Translations things. [12:05] Ah, then the description is a bit misleading ... [12:06] Oh, and Launchpad Answers as well. [12:06] What did you think it did? [12:08] You are right, I seem to have misread that oneline description ... [12:08] Rhonda: You thought it chose the Launchpad interface language? The description could well be taken to mean that. [12:09] Isn't help.launchpad.net part of launchpad? I seem to have got logged out when I switched to that page through some of the links ... [12:09] It's a MoinMoin wiki themed to look like Launchpad. [12:09] The cookies aren't currently shared. [12:09] wgrant: Yes, thought it would (also) regulate the interface language. [12:09] Rhonda: Right, the description should be clarified. [12:09] * wgrant looks for a bug. [12:10] Seeing it in shortform only as "preferred languages" I would have expected that. But then, there is also my browser setting so somehow duplicating that doesn't make much sense, so ... === thekorn_ is now known as thekor === thekor is now known as thekorn === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === salgado-afk is now known as salgado === nik_AFK is now known as nikolaidis [13:29] hi, is there a way to merge 2 LP accounts? [13:29] yes, there is a merge facility [13:30] lifeless, can i do it myself, or do i need to talk to an admin for that? [13:31] theres a page in the ui somewhere :P [13:33] can't find it :( [13:34] Ekushey: https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge [13:34] are you logged in? [13:37] thanks, andrea-bs [13:40] phone call, sorry... yes it worked :) [13:47] hi :) [13:50] how can we traslate the projects in our traslation team? I mean to have the packages under our assigned packaged for translation? === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [14:22] Can i have some help with my GPG key please and decrypting it from email. [14:24] is there a way to get branch merge proposals to a branch I own to send me an email? [14:24] how I decrypt my openGPG key that i got via email form LP? [14:25] Saj0577: um. you should _have_ a GPG key yourself, no? [14:25] yeah sure [14:25] Saj0577: and you uploaded your public key to lp? [14:25] yeah and i received the email [14:25] right. (I'm assuming you're on linux?) [14:26] Ubuntu 8.04 (and i received the email through a web email based email) [14:26] save the email to a file and run "gpg --decrypt name.of.file.I.saved.email.to" [14:26] the whole email? [14:27] um, give it a try? [14:27] kk [14:27] sorry - it's been a couple of years since I got my mail, I don't remember what it looks like [14:27] it k [14:27] firegpg should let you do it from webbasedd email using firefox [14:28] i havent tested it all that much since im having problems with our package of it [14:28] bah! firefox is for wimps. in my day, we just telnetted to port 80 and read the HTML by hand, drawing the web pages with sheep's blood on parchament! [14:28] firegpg did not work [14:28] mtaylor : that worked (using the whole email) thanks alot [14:28] Saj0577: sure thing! [14:28] Saj0577: ok thanks [14:29] gnomefreak: It may work for firefox 2 though :) [14:29] Saj0577: it might but im packaging it for ubuntu and firefox 3 but IIRC its 1.0*-3.0* at the moment [14:29] was 3.0a1 relelase until i changed it [14:30] okay [14:30] it builds just the deb doesnt install it in 3.0 [14:30] ok time for other things :) [14:33] hi jtv [14:33] zwnj: hi! [14:33] How is it going? [14:33] jtv: not bad [14:34] actually, we are planning the translation assignment process [14:34] Exciting! [14:34] You know signing the ubuntu CoC. it says Open that new file, and copy and paste its contents into this box. Then click “Continue”. opne it with gedit fine? [14:34] and seems rosetta doesn't have anything for translations bugs === moha is now known as mohi [14:35] zwnj: that's true. [14:35] jtv: so, we cannot assign the translation of one package to a team/person, and get the review throw the bug, etc [14:35] jtv: any hope to get such a feature soon? [14:35] zwnj: there is some discussion going on about this... one way to do it I guess would be using bug tags. [14:36] zwnj: so you could file a bug for a broken translation, and tag it with something like l18n. [14:36] That would work best if it was agreed at the Ubuntu level, of course. [14:36] jtv: yes, but the translation team itself cannot have bugs, so package maintainers would be involved in translation bugs, which i think would be so annoying for them [14:36] When trying to sign the CoC i get (7, 9, 'No public key'_ any advice please? [14:36] jtv: who should i talk to? [14:37] zwnj: well, you could assign the bugs to translation teams... [14:37] zwnj: there has been some discussion about this just recently, so let me just look that up... [14:38] zwnj: ah, there it is: on the ubuntu-translators list, from 2008-05-31: "Changes to the triage guide - translation bugs" [14:38] zwnj: you may want to join that. I'll also ask ArneGoetje to have a look. [14:42] zwnj: hmm... that discussion comes up with another suggestion: move bugs to the language pack. === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [15:03] hello [15:03] I get the following warning when using bzr to connect to launchpad: [15:03] The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.94.254)' can't be established. [15:04] It's on a fresh hardy install [15:04] should I be concerned about the lack of authentication [15:06] no [15:06] just save the key [15:06] it is ssh telling you this [15:09] domas: I'm not sure I follow [15:10] domas: ah, never mind [15:13] hi, newbe question here: [15:13] how to edit my comment to a bug? [15:13] I'm not sure you can. [15:13] innadvertently left an email addres.. [15:14] No, you can't [15:14] Oh, huh, those little yellow icons are pencils. They looked like exclamation marks to me. [15:14] then who can? [15:14] alias_knagg: email addresses are only shown to logged in users. [15:14] hey guys... [15:14] not the project owner it seems.. [15:14] "Launchpad has not been able to mirror this branch. The last attempt was 25 minutes ago. (KeyboardInterrupt) Launchpad will try again in 11 hours. If you have fixed the problem, please ask Launchpad to try again. " [15:14] I've heard you might be upgrading mirror machines? [15:14] or is this a real problem [15:15] hm.. that's right [15:16] but not exactly hard for a bot to register.. [15:16] jtv: seems there won't be any changes soon for this problem [15:17] any admin in this room who can edit a bug comment? [15:18] zwnj: I alerted Arne to it. He's in a better position to deal with Ubuntu translation. [15:18] jtv: and another question, is there anyway to upload PO files as suggestions? i mean non-members can upload PO files for a translation, instead of doing the translation on the web UI [15:19] jtv: ok, thanks. can i find him in IRC too? [15:20] zwnj: interesting idea! [15:21] in fact, the web interface is more better for review, than for translation. [15:21] zwnj: hadn't occurred to me, but it's certainly an idea for a feature. We'd have to do some other work to prevent this from overloading us though. [15:21] zwnj: just a moment, I'm seeing if we have a blueprint for this. [15:22] also this would help us to import suggestions using our glossary from mozilla project [15:27] zwnj: I'm registering a blueprint for what you're saying. We'd need better facilities for rejecting certain problem cases first though, or our manual review load could skyrocket. [15:28] yes, i understand [15:28] thanks again :) [15:28] jtv: should i follow-up the translation-bug problem on the list? [15:28] In fact there can already be limited cases where an upload is turned into suggestions. [15:29] zwnj: I think so—even if it's just "yes I like this too." :-) [15:29] how's that? [15:34] zwnj: to show that there is more interest in the idea. [15:34] Oh, did you mean the "limited cases" thing? [15:34] jtv: yes [15:35] Sorry about that. I can think of one case where the import mechanism will turn an upload into suggestions: [15:35] The changes in a PO file are dated by the PO-Revision-Date field in the header, not by the moment the file is uploaded. [15:36] When changes "cross," the importer can turn imported translations into suggestions to avoid overwriting newer, better translations. [15:42] oh, got it [15:42] jtv: could you give me the link of the blueprint please? [15:44] zwnj: oops, sorry—a few other things going on as well. It's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/upload-suggestions [15:56] jtv: and just another question, in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-fa/+assignedbugs there's a block in the sidebar named "Ubuntu Persian". what's that? i want to know why i don't have that on ubuntu-l10n-fa-contributors page. [15:58] zwnj: I think that's just the name of the team that got truncated. [15:59] But not sure. [16:01] uh, it's because the reviewers team is a member of the contributors team [16:01] but the name of the block was so interesting [16:35] jtv: why Wubi is not listed in Hardy packages? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+lang/fa/ [16:36] zwnj: I don't know. I don't work directly on Ubuntu, but I thought it was in there somewhere. [16:37] jtv: who knows? [16:38] zwnj: Maybe pitti does. [16:38] the wubi project has this page, but i doubt these translation goes on the next update of Hardi. https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/trunk/+pots/wubi [16:38] He doesn't seem to be here right now though. [16:38] Oh, right, they have an upstream project registered. [16:41] zwnj: I don't see wubi in my packages list either, so the question is: why is wubi not an Ubuntu package? [16:41] This may sound ignorant, but isn't Wubi something you run in Windows, and not under Ubuntu at all? [16:42] exactly. this would be so confusing for newbies [16:43] nikolaidis: probably, but it's on the installation cd... [16:43] Right, but it's not something you run in Ubuntu... aren't Ubuntu packages for programs you install and run under Ubuntu? [16:44] IIRC, Firefox and Abiword for Windows are also on the installation CD. But the Windows versions aren't "ubuntu" packages either, right? === kiko is now known as kiko-phone [17:01] helloo, small typo (i think..) here: https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingAHostedBranch - in 'push location explained' by “name“ it means ”branch” no? === kiko-phone is now known as kiko [17:17] gord, let me check [17:19] Hi. [17:19] Is there an admin in the room who could remove an email adress from a bug comment for me? [17:19] ( yes I know that my adress is only harvested by logged in crawlers. ) [17:19] gord, good catch. fixed [17:19] alias_knagg, ask a question (see /topic) [17:19] :) [17:20] hm.. topic dissappears over right edge here in pidgin.. [17:21] alias_knagg: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [17:21] but i presume you mean to point me to answers [17:21] yes yes [17:21] been there done that [17:21] ok [17:21] Never mind me then. :) [17:21] alias_knagg: if you hover with the mouse over the topic line in pidgin you get a tool-tip with the complete topic [17:21] couple of bugs filed before [17:22] seems to be out of order here, but never mind. === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === kiko is now known as kiko-fud === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === fta_ is now known as fta [19:43] is there a way to provide authentication credentials to Launchpad besides the cookie? E.g. the username and password pair, but sent from a script rather than interactively [19:46] barry: ping? [19:52] TeTeT: iirc python-launchpad-bugs also accepts a username and a password but I don't know how it does it internally [19:53] xmlrpc probably [21:52] kiko-fud: around? === salgado is now known as salgado-afk