[01:19] <persia> nkostop: lspci might help
[10:40] <DNis> hi is there an howto for install the rc2 ?
[10:40] <DNis> it boot on my htc shift
[10:40] <DNis> and prompt "will mount root from /dev/sdb"
[10:40] <DNis> and still in this state about 5minutes
[10:40] <DNis> ago
[10:41] <persia> DNis: There isn't, although it'd be great if you could take notes and write one.
[10:41] <persia> You're booting off a USB key with the install image?
[10:41] <DNis> yes
[10:43] <DNis> it writes found usb flash drive at /dev/sdb
[10:43] <DNis> then will mount...
[10:43] <DNis> and nothing more
[10:43] <DNis> i have taken the image for mccuslin
[10:43] <persia> Hmmm..  I don't have the right image on my key to replicate right now.  Be a bit to burn the right one.
[10:44] <DNis> i shoud try with rc1 ?
[10:44] <DNis> sould*
[10:44] <persia> Yep, McCaslin would be right for the HTC Shift.
[10:44] <DNis> should*
[10:44] <persia> No, RC2 is more likely to work than RC1.
[10:44] <DNis> any idea of what can i do right now ?
[10:45] <DNis> (and sure i will make an howto if it works
[10:45] <DNis> )
[10:45] <persia> Unfortunately, I've not installed enough times to recognise the prompt.  Once my key burns with the right image, I'll be able to follow along and figure out where you are stalled.
[10:45] <persia> At that point, I might have a suggestion (although I can't promise anything)
[10:47] <DNis> tell me so :)
[10:49] <DNis> when ur done
[11:02] <persia> DNis: Has it already formatted your hard drive?
[11:06] <DNis> no
[11:06] <DNis> i was able to reboot on vista
[11:07] <DNis> with this kind of installation i will not be able to dual-boot ?
[11:07] <DNis> are you aware about wubi ?
[11:07] <DNis> is it possible to mix it with ubuntu mobile ?
[11:09] <DNis> http://wubi-installer.org/
[11:12] <persia> Wubi might be able to work with Ubuntu-Mobile, although I don't think anyone has tested it.
[11:13] <persia> The install image does autoformat the disk on first boot.  Maybe it's a good thing it didn't work.
[11:13] <persia> On the other hand, I'm not sure why it failed.  Maybe there's some hardware quirk?
[11:14] <lool> persia: The scripts assume things such as /dev/sda being the name of the hard disk IIRC
[11:14] <lool> It's likely to fail because of this in many cases
[11:15] <persia> DNis: That's it then.  Looks like the buggy script is the reason your harddrive wasn't formatted.
[11:15] <persia> lool: Thanks.
[11:15] <persia> Are we documenting success/failure on devices anywhere?  Might be nice to have a wiki page.
[11:18] <lool> persia: I wouldn't think it's too helpful for hardy as we're freezing it, but definitely something we want to do for intrepid
[11:19] <persia> lool: See, I'd argue the opposite way.  It'd be interesting to have a supported devices list for Hardy so people play with it.
[11:19] <persia> For intrepid, we can look to expand this list.
[11:21] <lool> persia: Would we really care about bug reports for hardy?
[11:22] <persia> lool: I'm not thinking about bug reports.  I'm thinking about hints to get the install working on the hardware that people already have.
[11:22] <persia> Just a wiki page with a note as to whether a given device is supported or not, and if supported, if any special work is required to complete the install.
[11:24] <lool> Ok
[11:24] <persia> The idea is to save people like DNis from needing to ask, when we could just reference the device list in the wiki.
[11:35] <lool> persia: That's always a good idea :)
[13:14] <DNis> persia: my hard disk is recognize as /dev/sda
[13:15] <persia> DNis: Hmm.  I'm confused then (but it's late here).
[13:17] <DNis> persia: sorry for waking you up so lol
[13:17] <persia> DNis: No worries :)  I'm just unlikely to understand why your image didn't install tonight.
[13:18] <DNis> i can retry but as i remeber, my hard disk was recognized first
[13:18] <DNis> and then the usb key was on /dev/sdb1
[13:18] <DNis> i'm not sure it will help you...
[13:34] <samjam> I'm interested in an armel build of ubuntu mobile for the HTC Universal phone device. I'm running armel debian right now, mostly a result of other peoples work.
[13:36] <DNis> samjam: as i know ubuntu mobile is reserved for x86 architecture
[13:36] <samjam> But I suppose I could recpompile for another architecture
[13:36] <samjam> or recompile, even
[13:36] <DNis> samjam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[13:37] <samjam> thats helpful, thanks
[13:37] <DNis> samjam: maybe you right, but i precise i'm not from the dev team
[13:39] <samjam> Do you know if the mobile and embedded strategy involves cut-down versions of anything?
[13:40] <DNis> samjam: i don't know, maybe persia can answer
[13:42] <persia> samjam: There was talk about recompiling Ubuntu for ARM at UDS, but no schedule was established.  You may find the work at mojo.handhelds.org to be an interesting place to start, but Debian ARMel is likely more interesting.
[13:43] <samjam> thanks, persia
[14:17] <DNis> persia: will there be an install with live-cd style ?
[14:17] <persia> DNis: The live images I've used weren't install images.
[14:18] <DNis> persia: but there is for ubuntu, isnt it ?
[14:19] <persia> DNis: Yes.  Ubuntu has a livecd that is also an installer.
[14:19] <DNis> persia: oh .. i'm talking about ubuntu mobile sorry
[14:19] <DNis> persia: and there will not be for ubuntu mobile ?
[15:02] <lool> davmor2: How are you building your VM against the new platforms?
[15:03] <lool> davmor2: I would suggest trying ./simple-mobile-builder --platform menlow-lpia-ume
[15:04] <persia> Might be good to update the wiki page as well
[15:04] <davmor2> lool: current not I take the mic image and on smb I simply use the command originally given which now works fine with sound also :)
[15:05] <davmor2> lool: I shall give it a go now though :)
[15:08] <davmor2> lool: --platform is not supported
[15:08] <lool> davmor2: Uh?
[15:09] <lool> davmor2: What's the error?
[15:09] <davmor2> Error: "--platform" is not a supported vm
[15:09] <lool> davmor2: Oh, you still need kvm hardy in front, sorry
[15:09] <lool> ./simple-mobile-builder kvm hardy --platform menlow-lpia-ume
[15:10] <lool> or mccaslin-lpia-ume
[15:10] <davmor2> okay cool I'll try again
[15:10] <davmor2> lool: that's working
[15:14] <davmor2> lool: I'll ping you after if I get a successful build
[15:15] <sjovan> hey guys. is Installing UME test environment using the [WWW] Image Builder (preferred). <--- the ubuntu-mobile install? is it functional?
[15:18] <lool> sjovan: What's the [WWW] Image Builder (preferred)?
[15:18] <lool> sjovan: Depends if it's for real hardware or for a vm
[15:19] <sjovan> lool: it's from this wiki ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[15:19] <sjovan> oh... nvm
[15:19] <sjovan> that's work i progres
[15:20] <lool> sjovan: Do you want to install on real hardware, or in a VM?
[15:20] <sjovan> real hardware
[15:20] <sjovan> or isn't the prog in that stage yet?
[15:20] <davmor2> sjovan: what hw
[15:21] <lool> sjovan: The install script relies on particular hardware assumptions, it will format your whole /dev/sda hard drive
[15:21] <lool> This is all hardcoded
[15:21] <lool> It will also use a hardcoded xorg config etc.
[15:21] <lool> Anyway, for real hardware, grab a daily or a released image, write to an USB stick, and boot on that
[15:21] <sjovan> davmor2: not any spesific hw. just checking out some stuff for a colege of mine :)
[15:21] <lool> davmor2: Let me know what errors if any you get from creating this VM
[15:22] <davmor2> lool: no probs.  It's hit a few duplicated repos but that's it so far it seems to building quite happily :)
[15:24] <sjovan> lool: so where can i finde a image of ubuntu mobile? how is it working on the the different phones in  Samsung 
[15:24] <sjovan> oops
[15:24] <sjovan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[15:24] <lool> Checkout the FAQ, wont work on phones
[15:24] <sjovan> ah, k
[15:24] <lool> We should have an ume-friendly-bot auto-answering any line with "phone" in it ;)
[15:25] <sjovan> aaa
[15:25] <sjovan> it's for pocket computer not smart-phones
[15:25] <sjovan> my bad :)
[15:25] <sjovan> just googeld  Samsung 
[15:25] <sjovan> Q1 Ultra 
[15:25] <sjovan> :)
[15:25] <davmor2> anything with any hw other than samsung Q1u 
[15:26] <sjovan> soo... what linux distro can you guys recomend for "smart"-phones then :)
[15:27] <samjam> sjovan, it won't "not" work on smartphones, there's just more work, and no-ones doing it right now
[15:27] <samjam> sjovan what smartphone do you have?
[15:27] <sjovan> samjam: as i stated earlier on. just a co-worker of mine that want a phone with linux
[15:27] <sjovan> so i'm just findeing out stuff for him
[15:28] <suihkulokki> I don't think there is (yet) any other linux phone to seriously consider than the openmoko
[15:28] <samjam> There's nothing for a while, and no shortcuts. I'm using an HTC Universal (XDA Exec) with titchy-mobile, an armel debian derivative
[15:28] <sjovan> samjam: so you could always recomend a good smart-phone and a distro that works well with it
[15:28] <samjam> sjovan, no, and the openmoko isn't really ready yet IMHO for non dev use.
[15:29] <suihkulokki> samjam: do you have info of tichy mobile?
[15:29] <suihkulokki> samjam: well everything else is even less ready :P
[15:29] <samjam> http://wiki.neilandtheresa.co.uk/Titchy_Mobile
[15:30] <samjam> ﻿I bought an old HTC Universal on ebay once I heard linux was largely working on that, and am doing "fine" with titchy-mobile which is to say it is a linux device with a sort of phone on it. it "works"
[15:30] <samjam> But I hope I can take advantage of all the UME hard work and only have to re-compile.
[15:30] <samjam> However it only has 64MB of RAM although 80 UK pounds or so will upgrade it to 128MB
[15:30] <sjovan> samjam: what's your defenition of "fine" and "works"?
[15:31] <samjam> It means it's only good for techies who enjoy using their skills to reduce the pain.
[15:31] <samjam> it means there is no integrated contacts and dialler and pda, but there is a bash shell and awk and gtkdialog
[15:31] <suihkulokki> samjam: you could already recompile the UME packages using debian/armel as base
[15:32] <suihkulokki> samjam: there is debian/maemo project I started for that, but I've been lackign time to finish it
[15:32] <samjam> yeah, thats my plan, but I don't know how to cross compile packages yet.
[15:32] <samjam> so I'm compiling native
[15:32] <samjam> which is not wise with SD card as swap
[15:33] <samjam> ﻿suihkulokki, if you can hint me on cross compiling debs for armel, I'd be grateful. I'm assuming it's some args to deb_build once I have the cross compiler setup. I guess glibc will be the first to do.
[15:33] <suihkulokki> well I'm native-compiling too
[15:33] <samjam> fair enough. Maybe I will do NFS-swap
[15:34] <samjam> so I'll probably just compile the UME debs natively on top of my debian build
[15:35] <samjam> ﻿suihkulokki do you have links to your debian/maemo project?
[15:37] <suihkulokki> samjam: http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-maemo
[15:38] <samjam> ta
[15:38] <samjam> what device were you using?
[15:38] <suihkulokki> Nokia N800 is the target, but for compiling we have Thecus N2100 NAS devices
[15:39] <samjam> oohhh. want one
[15:39] <samjam> is it wireless?
[15:40] <samjam> I'm using an NSLU2 but the lack of RAM is hurting me
[15:42] <suihkulokki> wireless, what?
[15:42] <samjam> wireless network NAS, but I see that it isn't. A bit expensive too, for no disks in it.
[15:43] <lool> samjam: You can add a wireless mini PCI, not sure whether you'll find a supported one though
[15:43] <lool> There's supposedly an antenna plug, I'm not sure how easy it is to use it though
[15:43] <samjam> I'm looking for a well priced linux-hackable wireless NAS to replace my NSLU2
[15:43] <samjam> hmm
[15:44] <suihkulokki> We (Debian armel) use Thecues as buildd's as they are the fastest and most ram-extensible arm systems *now* available for general shops
[15:45] <samjam> I didn't realise you could increase the ram on it. How much do you get it up to?
[15:45] <suihkulokki> 512MB
[15:45] <samjam> oooohhh
[15:45] <samjam> has it got usb?
[15:45] <suihkulokki> yes
[15:45] <samjam> I think I gotta get one.
[15:45] <suihkulokki> the main drawbacks are noisy fan and price
[15:46] <samjam> and you run debian on it?
[15:46] <suihkulokki> we have debian-installer support for it
[15:46] <lool> The fan is also a bit borderline to cool off two disks properly (at least mine)
[15:46] <suihkulokki> lool: are you keeping the box vertically?
[15:46] <samjam> do you have to solder to add the RAM?
[15:46] <lool> Poor davmor2
[15:47] <lool> suihkulokki: No; good idea though :)
[15:47] <suihkulokki> samjam: it has a DDR dimm slot
[15:47] <lool> suihkulokki: Grid on top I guess?
[15:48] <suihkulokki> lool: if positioned vertically, the heat will flow easier to the fan (from between the disks)
[15:48] <suihkulokki> horizontally the lower disk will just heat the top one
[15:48] <lool> Yeah
[15:49] <samjam> Doesn't look like there was any airflow design at: http://techgage.com/print/thecus_n2100
[15:49] <lool> The top one is usually 1 or 2 °C hotter
[21:42] <cl0s> is Ubuntu Remix pretty much just Ubuntu MobileAndEmbeded??
[21:43] <cl0s> sorry looking at it now.. def not..