[01:20] <pygi> hey folks
[01:20] <pygi> any of you coming to akademy?
[01:44] <nixternal> I wish I was going to akademy
[01:45] <pygi> ah, hi nixternal !
[01:45] <pygi> why not? :)
[01:53] <pygi> Nightrose, wake up :)
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> uhhh are there python-bindings packes yet? (sorry, I was away for two days)
[02:58] <ScottK> nixternal: I have a spec for you (just read your blog).
[02:58]  * nixternal shivers in fear
[02:58] <ScottK> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec might be useful to you if we can pull it off.
[02:59] <nixternal> I will take a gander at it
[02:59]  * ScottK can just hear nixternal saying, "Gee boss, if you'd let me put a little work time in on helping with this spec, it'd save us a ton of time and money on deployments."
[03:00] <ScottK> That and then we can conspire to make sure the tools are available for qt4, but not gtk2.
[03:47] <vorian> nixternal: blog typo!!!!!!
[03:47] <vorian> oh noes!!!!!!
[03:49] <nixternal> what was the typo?
[03:49] <vorian> first bold heading
[03:49] <vorian> Big Ban
[03:50]  * vorian thought this was pm 
[03:50] <vorian> sorry about that ;?
[03:50] <vorian> pfft
[03:50] <vorian> can't type
[03:51] <nixternal> thanks, fixed it
[03:51]  * ScottK just figured he was in trouble at work already.
[03:51] <vorian> look what I've been cleaning up all day
[03:51] <vorian> http://vorian.org/?p=228
[03:52] <vorian> damn powerline came down
[03:52] <vorian> the power company let the mother live for 5 hours!
[03:53] <ScottK> Kewl.
[03:54] <vorian> yeah!
[03:54] <ScottK> How's the insurance policy looking?
[03:54] <vorian> good, they'll cover everything
[04:48] <DaSkreech> I forget
[04:48] <DaSkreech> was a kubuntu release done for the last Koffice Alpha?
[05:18] <stdin> DaSkreech: I think it keeps failing to build
[05:18] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:18] <stdin> latest in the repos is still 1.9.95.3 (ie: old)
[05:21]  * DaSkreech chuckles at FOSS
[06:44] <Nightrose> morning :)
[06:45] <Nightrose> pygi: I am awake now :P
[06:45] <Nightrose> what did you want?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> An autograph
[06:48]  * DaSkreech presents Mike to be signed
[06:50] <Nightrose> :P
[07:29] <\sh> bah...pykde4 you suck...http://www.mail-archive.com/pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com/msg13895.html
[07:53] <\sh> Sime: pykde4 trunk: cmake error in SIPmacros.cmake,   string sub-command REPLACE requires four arguments. (it's cmake 2.6foo version from kdesupport)
[08:03] <\sh> hmm..it works somehow when cmake started from kdebindings root dir ;)
[08:15] <Arby> morning all
[09:31] <pygi> NickNak, nothing much, just trying to organize in group, so though there'll be kubuntu group
[09:32] <pygi> ergh
[09:32] <pygi> Nightrose*
[09:33] <Nightrose> pygi: ah ;-)
[09:33] <Nightrose> i am already in the girls group
[09:34] <Nightrose> and was in the amarok group before
[09:34] <pygi> amarok group is big xD
[09:34] <Nightrose> hehe yea
[09:34] <pygi> 14 people
[09:34] <Nightrose> and probably a few who didn't join the group
[09:34] <pygi> yup
[09:34] <pygi> I should probably just register without a group
[09:35] <Nightrose> hmmm /me will have to poke some people so they register
[09:35] <Nightrose> pygi: yea probably best
[09:36] <pygi> Nightrose, are you at Z or R hostel?
[09:36] <Nightrose> Roosendael
[09:37] <pygi> ah, so you registered early :p
[09:37] <Nightrose> jea like 4 hours after registration was open ;-)
[09:37] <pygi> ha!
[09:37] <pygi> theres one bed missing on Tuesday, otherwise I could register there as well :-/
[09:37] <pygi> ups
[09:37] <pygi> on Saturday
[09:38] <Nightrose> had a free minute while working at the booth at linuxtag
[09:38] <Nightrose> so i did it
[09:38] <Nightrose> you can get a bed somewhere else for that day
[09:39] <pygi> bleh, that means moving somewhere instead of talking about good things =)
[09:39] <Nightrose> ;-) true
[09:39] <pygi> I'm getting a bed somewhere else for the last two days anyway :p
[09:45] <pygi> why this payment page couldnt be in english xD
[09:46] <Riddell> pygi: it is if you change your country
[09:46] <pygi> ah, true!
[09:47] <pygi> Riddell, you're coming I guess, and still no kubuntu group? :)
[09:47] <Riddell> I am
[09:48] <pygi> Riddell, how come there's no kubuntu group? :)
[09:48] <Riddell> for sleeping?  I like to sleep with random people, spread the love
[09:49]  * pygi knows very little KDE people actually
[09:49] <pygi> few*
[09:55] <\sh> pygi: all dancers and singers (well at least one of them ;))
[10:03] <pygi> \sh, heh :p
[10:57] <etretyak> hi everyone
[11:00] <Riddell> morning etretyak
[11:02] <\sh> bah
[11:02] <\sh> I don't get pykde4 build ... neither our version, nor the svn version...
[11:14]  * Serega waves
[11:15] <\sh> oh another try
[11:15] <\sh> there's hope
[11:16] <\sh> Riddell: btw..how do you deal with quilt and "new files"? e.g you need to add a new file, via diff,...
[11:17] <\sh> quilt add newfile -> add some things to newfile, quilt refresh doesn't help for me
[11:19] <Riddell> diff -u old new
[11:19] <Riddell> diff -u old new > foo
[11:20] <Riddell> echo foo > debian/patches/series
[11:20] <\sh> ok...so the dirty method ;)
[11:20] <\sh> I thought there is a sane way to tell quilt to behave :)
[11:25] <\sh> whooosaaaa...pykde4 builds
[11:27] <Riddell> yay
[11:27] <\sh> never ask me questions about how I did that now...
[11:28]  * \sh has to check .bash_history ;)
[11:28] <\sh> something between praying and moving files from pykde4/sip/*  svn trunk to our packages and adding some magic fixes found on the pykde4 ml
[11:31] <\sh> oh damn...too early to be happy:
[11:31] <\sh> sipkhtmlpart10.cpp: In function 'PyObject* meth_DOM_DOMString_characters(PyObject*, PyObject*)':
[11:31] <\sh> sipkhtmlpart10.cpp:689: error: 'class DOM::DOMString' has no member named 'characters'
[11:35] <\sh> getting rid of it...and go back to start and don't catch 4k €
[12:18] <\sh> woohoo...pykde4 python2.5 build finished...now for python2.4...after that testing and uploading to ppa
[12:49] <\sh> hmmm...are our kde4.1beta packages rpathed?
[12:49] <\sh> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libkdeui.so.5 needed by debian/python-kde4/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/kdeui.so (its RPATH is '').
[12:51] <Riddell> in hardy should be yes
[12:52] <\sh> why doesn't it work then...
[12:53] <\sh> trying now with dh_shlibdeps -l<path to kde4 libdir>
[12:53] <\sh> it's the last bug...:(
[12:54] <emonkey> gogogo *cheers*
[12:55] <\sh> emonkey: /me needs to "redo" everything he did to get that package working..because right now, it's more a mess then a debian package
[12:55] <emonkey> sounds awful
[13:05] <smarter> \sh: you can see the RPATH with chrpath
[13:13] <\sh> smarter: it doesn't help when dpkg-shlibdeps is failing ;)
[13:29] <\sh> press thumbs..that it works now
[13:35] <\sh> sudo dpkg -i python-kde4_4.0.3-0ubuntu1.3~hardy1~ppa1_amd64.deb python-kde4-dev_4.0.3-0ubuntu1.3~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb python-kde4-doc_4.0.3-0ubuntu1.3~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb
[13:36] <\sh> installation: works
[13:39] <\sh> KDE Launchpad Bugs
[13:39] <\sh> Version 0.1
[13:39] <\sh> Using KDE 4.00.80 (KDE 4.0.80 >= (KDE 4.1 Beta1)
[13:39] <\sh> STRIKE!
[13:42] <\sh> now I'm uploading the crap to kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa and then I will try to find out why no menu text is set...
[13:42] <\sh> and fixing the package later to be sane again
[13:43] <\sh> there it goes
[13:45] <\sh> [PPA kubuntu-members-kde4] Accepted: python-kde4 4:4.0.3-0ubuntu1.3~hardy1~ppa1 (source) phew
[13:47] <Riddell> the no menu text is a known bug with older versions of pykde
[13:49] <\sh> Riddell: hmm..how do we overcome that?
[13:50] <Riddell> update to a newer version
[13:50] <\sh> ah
[13:50] <\sh> oxygene
[13:50] <\sh> oxygen bug
[13:51] <raphink> hi \sh & Riddell
[13:51] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: nice kitten pic you managed to find there.
[13:51] <raphink> & hi Hobbsee
[13:51] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: ;-)
[13:51] <\sh> moins raphink :)
[13:51] <\sh> Riddell: the only new version i can find is that what's in the svn trunk of kde
[13:52] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: i have a whole folder with pics like that one :P
[13:52] <Hobbsee> raphink!
[13:52] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: heh
[13:52] <\sh> Riddell: and it's not compiling cleanly...via kdebindings...(i just used some of the new stuff sime commited to it to make it actually build for kde4.1)
[13:52] <Riddell> \sh: that and kdebindings releases
[13:52] <Riddell> hi raphink
[13:53] <\sh> I wonder where Jim has it's own repository of it
[13:53] <jjesse> morning
[13:53] <Riddell> on his hard disk
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: please sponsor http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/235 and remove the source package of kopete-plugin-otr-kde4
[13:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, and if you have time, please backport quassel to hardy
[13:58] <apachelogger> build log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15196506/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.quassel_0.2.0%7Ebeta1-0ubuntu2%7Ehardy1%7Eppa1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[13:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: It'd be much preferred if you filed that backports bug rather than randomly poke Riddell on IRC for backports.
[14:00] <apachelogger> jussi01: go file a backports bug :P
[14:00] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok then!
[14:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok
[14:00] <\sh> ScottK: bug #234574 ;)
[14:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: considering I am in the -backports team, would I still have to file a bug?
[14:02] <jpds> apachelogger: yes.
[14:02] <apachelogger> omg
[14:02] <jussi01> jpds: shhh... its quassel ;)
[14:02] <jpds> But you can just +1 it in the bug report
[14:02]  * apachelogger appoints jussi01 to his personal backport bug reporter
[14:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Please.  I do it too.
[14:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've been stuck more than once trying to figure out WTF on some backports issue where having even a minimal paper trial in LP would have been very nice.
[14:05] <jussi01> what package does it need to be reported against? quassel?
[14:05] <\sh> hardy backports + quassel imho
[14:06] <ScottK> jussi01: Just hardy-backports
[14:08] <jussi01> ScottK: ummm.. "hardy-backports" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[14:08] <Riddell> bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports
[14:09] <jussi01> hrm...
[14:11] <ScottK> Ubuntu Backports initially was on Sourceforge and only later came to Launchpad.  It's a separate project from a LP perspective.
[14:11] <ScottK> You can still find the old project on Sourceforge if you want to delve into ancient history.
[14:12] <jussi01> ok, so simply, what do I put int the feild: In what package did you find this bug?
[14:12] <jussi01> it does not accept hardy-backports
[14:12] <ScottK> jussi01: Go to hardy-backports project and file the bug there.
[14:12] <jussi01> kk
[14:13] <jussi01> bug 239165
[14:14]  * ScottK looks
[14:14] <jussi01> apachelogger: ^
[14:14] <ScottK> To get it approved, someone needs to say it builds, installs, and runs.  Presumablye apachelogger can do that and approve it.
[14:14] <ScottK> Just imagine I spelled presumably correctly there.
[14:15]  * \sh just locks up his brain now
[14:15] <\sh> and waits for pykde4 to finish building ..... dumdumdumdedummkubuntudumdedum
[14:15] <jussi01> ScottK: Ill presume you spelled it correctly
[14:16]  * jussi01 gets coat
[14:17] <jussi01> apachelogger: is the packaging the same as mine still?
[14:18] <jussi01> or have you made changes to it?
[14:18] <\sh> well, for quassel...you have to change packaging in the future...no more qmake juice, but cmake love
[14:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: done
[14:19] <jussi01> brb
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> hey
[14:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: I don't know your packaging
[14:20] <apachelogger> \sh: yeah, that is one line in rules and adapting the .install files ;-)
[14:20] <\sh> apachelogger: bah...cdbs is *censored*
[14:21] <apachelogger> :P
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> hey guys,,, i've been away for a couple days... has anyone packaged the python plasma bindings?
[14:21] <apachelogger> the what?
[14:22] <\sh> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-kde4/ <---- YEEHA
[14:22] <apachelogger> how is python-kde4 related to plasma?
[14:23] <ScottK> It's not.  He's been working on it.
[14:23] <apachelogger> well
[14:23] <apachelogger> I am confused
[14:23]  * apachelogger hides
[14:24] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: where are the python plasma bindings?
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> Riddell:within python-bindings I think
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> *kdebindings
[14:25] <\sh> nosrednaekim: in kdebindings/python/ there is only pykde4 and krosspython
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> I think krosspython does it
[14:26] <\sh> na
[14:26] <\sh> it's something for interpretating python in c++ as sime yesterday told us
[14:28] <apachelogger> I really think this is exactly what is necessary
[14:28] <apachelogger> IIRC the javascript stuff for plasma also uses kross
[14:28] <apachelogger> though, that would lead to the question where krosspython is
[14:28] <apachelogger> as I packaged it just a few weeks before hardy :P
[14:29] <\sh> lol
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> well, I need it for 4.1
[14:30] <apachelogger> ah
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: is kdebindings 4.0.80 not merged yet?
[14:34] <\sh> crap...
[14:34] <\sh> eric4 is now b0rked
[14:35] <\sh> because of qscintilla...*grmpf*
[14:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: waiting on qscintilla MIR
[14:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's kde4bindings
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: oh BTW... i'm on hardy, not intrepid, so i'm using the PPA
[14:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, thanks
[14:37]  * \sh goes now for qscintilla for ppa
[14:37] <\sh> Riddell: how much quota do we have for the -kde4 ppa?
[14:38] <Riddell> \sh: lots
[14:39] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: maybe kdebindings didn't get backported
[14:39] <\sh> apachelogger: eventually it will fail...check kdesvn for kdebindings when sime commited the changes for 4.1 (pykde4)
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: nixternal did say he was having problems with it.
[14:40] <apachelogger> no krosspython for nosrednaekim then
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> which means no tutorial session :(
[14:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: is there an example I can test?
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. I keep forgetting where it is in websvn though
[14:46] <jjesse> does strigi work in kde 4.1 beta?
[14:48] <\sh> qscintilla2_2.2-2ubuntu1.1~hardy1~ppa1 uploaded to ppa
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: wow... I can't find it... maybe someone removed it (which seems pretty unlikely)
[14:53] <\sh> nosrednaekim: playground/base/plasma/scriptengines/kross/ ?
[14:57] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: check under playground/base/plasma/applets/scripts
[14:57] <flaccid-> nixternal, what can i do about a user in #kubuntu that won't accept the shortcomings of flash?
[14:58] <nixternal> flaccid-: who is it?
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[14:58] <flaccid-> i'd like to ignore but its hard..
[14:58] <flaccid-> keeps going on and on
[14:58] <nixternal> k, will keep an eye out when I can...sitting in meetings all morning
[14:59] <flaccid-> np mate
[14:59] <flaccid-> hopefully user will stop :)
[15:00] <flaccid-> hmmm im thinking the /me raises an eyebrow is better strategy than a message
[15:01] <flaccid-> nixternal, you might wanna kick this culprit atm but in the chan <administrator> #Arkor-Easy Boxxx A 4OO
[15:01] <flaccid-> all good now
[15:01] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: nothing there
[15:04]  * flaccid- sighs a relief
[15:04] <\sh> phew...
[15:04] <\sh> eric4 runs again
[15:06] <\sh> now we have a working python environment back again ;)
[15:06] <jpds> flaccid-: feel free to raise operator concerns in #ubuntu-irc
[15:08] <flaccid-> jpds, this is kubuntu
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> flaccid-: yeah... they work with #kubuntu too
[15:11] <flaccid-> i know that but its a matter of response
[15:35] <\sh> Riddell: python-kde4 for intrepid was never recompiled against 4.0.80 packages, right?
[15:35] <\sh> Copied from  ubuntu hardy in Primary Archive for Ubuntu  <- fun
[15:36]  * \sh will redo the work properly for intrepid package tomorrow somehow...
[15:36] <Riddell> \sh: intrepid uses kde4bindings
[15:36] <\sh> Riddell: ah...
[15:39] <sevtoul> I think there's a spelling mistake in the package kdesdk-dbg-kde4, it says that kdebasAe-runtime-dbg is required so the package is broken
[15:41] <sevtoul> of course, I talking about the ppa.launchpad package in hardy with kde4.1
[15:41] <sevtoul> (sorry for my english...)
[15:43] <sevtoul> any idea ?
[15:44] <Riddell> sounds like a bug indeed, probably not one we'll have time to fix
[15:45] <sevtoul> ok nevermind, I just installed all dependencies
[16:26] <Riddell> flaccid-: hmm?
[16:27] <flaccid->  sorry Riddell ?
[16:27] <Riddell> you called ops
[16:27] <yuriy> ugh kde-systemsettings *does* contain kcms?
[16:27] <yuriy> namely, defaultapplication
[18:23] <mendred> hi  i am trying to figure out which package has the debugging symbols for kwin (kde 4.1 beta 1 packages hardy). I have installed kdebase-workspace-dbg and kdebase-dbg..but those dont seem to be the ones.
[18:24] <mendred> the kwin package is kde-window-decorator...can't seem to find a dbg package for that..
[18:24] <mendred> can anyone help?
[18:25] <Riddell> it would be kdebase-workspace-dbg if it works, which it may well not
[18:26] <mendred> Riddell: i don't understamd?
[18:26] <mendred> *understand
[18:27] <mendred> i am trying to generate a backtrace...when i run ardour with around 10 -15 tracks parallely playing, kwin usage with compositing shoots to 80%..
[18:27] <mendred> and the system slows down..
[18:27] <mendred> so i am trying to attach gdb to kwin..and then generate a back trace
[18:28] <mendred> but gdb keeps complaining that there are no debugging symbols
[18:28] <mendred> for kwin
[18:28] <Riddell> kde 4 is installed to a non-standard location, the debug symbols may not work
[18:28] <mendred> what do you suggest that i do?
[18:29] <mendred> ohhhhh
[18:30] <mendred> then there is no way to get a backtrace?
[18:32] <Riddell> I don't know I'm afraid
[18:32] <mendred> ok..
[18:32] <mendred> thanks Riddell
[18:34] <stdin> usually the kde crash handler will give you a backtrace
[18:34] <stdin> at least, it does for me
[18:35] <mendred> stdin: there is no crash :(
[18:35] <mendred> the usage shoots up
[18:35] <stdin> ah, well then
[18:35] <mendred> can i trigger a crash :)
[18:36] <mendred> if that will give me a trace?
[18:36] <mendred> or does kwin have a debug startup mode or something?
[18:38] <stdin> I guess you could kill kwin and run it in gdb with "gdb --args kwin --nograb --sync --nocrashhandler"
[18:38] <stdin> should work probably/maybe
[18:42] <mendred> ok will try that
[18:53] <mendred> thanks stdin..thats working :)
[18:54] <stdin> :)
[19:02] <jjesse> why don't kde 4 windows save my settings?  example i change how the save as screen looks like and every time i open the program i have to re arrange it
[19:02] <jjesse> grrrrrrrr
[23:27] <supert0nes> is there any documentation for python plasmoids?  It would be nice to read up before the tutuorials day