[00:01] <MachinTrucChose> Firefox 3 is out?! How come there's no major announcement (Admittedly I only checked Slashdot)
[00:01] <HollowPoint> it's TC MachinTrucChose
[00:01] <HollowPoint> RC*
[00:01] <HollowPoint> not the actual release
[00:01] <MachinTrucChose> why doesn't it say RC in the version then?
[00:02] <HollowPoint> it does, lol, I updated to it this morning and it's RC2 if I remember correctly
[00:02] <MachinTrucChose> you'd expect a RC to be marked as such
[00:02] <MachinTrucChose> mine just says "3.0"
[00:02] <HollowPoint> where does it just say 3.0?
[00:02] <MachinTrucChose> Help > About Mozilla Firefox
[00:03] <coucouf> yes, you can't see it in the browser, but the package version is RCx
[00:03] <MachinTrucChose> I see
[00:03] <MachinTrucChose> well, it's very uncool.
[00:03] <coucouf> lol
[00:03] <HollowPoint> firefox is? Or the way they haven't stuck RC all over it?
[00:03] <MachinTrucChose> the latter
[00:04] <HollowPoint> ah, well I updated mine last night to the latest RC and when I booted up this morning I was greated by a web page announcing the release of RC2, were you not given the same page?
[00:05] <sixpence> Hey, what command can I run to see what flavor of ubuntu is currently on my box?
[00:05] <MachinTrucChose> the person previously using the computer must have gotten that
[00:06] <genii> sixpence: lsb_release -a
[00:06] <coucouf> adept will tell you the truth about firefox
[00:06] <sixpence> genii: Danke =]
[00:07] <genii> sixpence: Bitte
[00:07] <coucouf> cool, I didn't know this command !
[00:07] <coucouf> is it ubuntu-specific ?
[00:07] <genii> coucouf: I think all debian based dists work with it
[00:07] <coucouf> ok thanks
[00:07] <greatgib> lsb c'est censé etre un referentiel du materiel pour toutes les distrib
[00:07] <MachinTrucChose> anyway, anyone know what I should do to install a dual-boot Windows? First, can I just create a 20gb partition on an existing drive, or do I have to worry about it not being among the first 1gb or whatever of the drive (ie, bootloader issues). Also, what happens to GRUB then?
[00:08] <genii> !fr | greatgib
[00:08] <greatgib> coucouf:c'est dans le meme style que freedesktop pour le matos
[00:08] <greatgib> Lol sorry, juste a coucouf specific response :)
[00:10] <coucouf> the position of the windows partition doesn't matter you will use GRUB as a bootloader anyway
[00:10] <coucouf> be carefull though, windows will replace GRUB so you'll have to reinstall it. Check the litterature on the subject before doing so.
[00:13] <MachinTrucChose> coucouf: how can Windows replace GRUB if it is installed on an ext3 partition?
[00:16] <genii> MachinTrucChose: The core part is not on some subpartition but rather the master boot record of the drive
[00:16] <MachinTrucChose> quick question, how can I delete a folder without moving to Trash? It's a 5gb file and it's trying to move it to a TRash folder on a different partition
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> MachinTrucChose: shift+del usually works
[00:17] <MachinTrucChose> genii: I see, OK. I thought the MBR was written on the first x megabytes of the drive. I'll read up on how to recover GRUB after installing Windows. Thanks.
[00:18] <MachinTrucChose> Odd: I tried that in Konqueror, it didn't work...but with Dolphin it does. Cool beans.
[00:19] <georgewp> what program would I need to run a perl script?
[00:19] <georgewp> !perl script
[00:19] <georgewp> !perl
[00:19] <ek> Haha.
[00:19] <georgewp> well my system selected wine to run them
[00:20] <georgewp> funny or not im a newb
[00:20] <ek> georgewp: I wasn't laughing at you. Sorry if it seemed that way.
[00:20] <ek> georgewp: You would just use perl to run it.
[00:20] <georgewp> k
[00:20] <ek> perl /path/to/script or just execute the script itself using /path/to/script
[00:21] <ek> As perl's path in the executable SHOULD be correct.
[00:21] <genii> !info perl
[00:22] <georgewp> Can't locate Sort/Versions.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at curse-install line 3.
[00:22] <georgewp> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at curse-install line 3.
[00:22] <georgewp> Thats the error I got from the script
[00:23] <ek> georgewp: You're going to have to add the extra perl modules that the script calls for.
[00:23] <ek> georgewp: You can either do this inside perl itself, or use apt-get to install them.
[00:23] <MachinTrucChose> one more question, and I'm sorry for piling them on...does resizing a partition delete its contents? ie, I have a 160gb partition with 100gb of free space. I want to create a 20gb partition, hopefully from that 100gb free space without affecting the existing60gb.
[00:23] <ek> georgewp: Check out: apt-cache search perl versions
[00:24] <ek> MachinTrucChose: Not if you do it correctly, no.
[00:24] <georgewp> what would you suggest
[00:24] <MachinTrucChose> ek: I'm using gparted for that purpose.
[00:24] <ek> MachinTrucChose: Not very familiar with it. But, my guess is your data should remain.
[00:24] <MachinTrucChose> OK
[00:24] <ek> ... as long as it isn't in the delete/relocated area anyway.
[00:25] <ek> georgewp: I would suggest using apt-get. That way updates to the modules will be noticed.
[00:26] <georgewp> and i cant decipher form that error which packages to get
[00:26] <ek> georgewp: You need Sort::Versions
[00:26] <ek> georgewp: It's at the beginning of the error.
[00:27] <ek> So, the package will maybe be called something like perl5-Sort-Versions...?
[00:27] <ek> Not sure.
[00:28] <ubu> hi
[00:29] <georgewp> how would i do a search for that to find the apt-get line
[00:29] <georgewp> trying kubuntu perl5 sort versions gives me a bunch of garbage
[00:29] <georgewp> in google
[00:31] <ek> georgewp: I see "libsort-versions-perl"
[00:32] <ek> In fact, I'm almost positive that's the correct package.
[00:32] <jtisme> cant get streaming internet sound to play 8.04 any ideas
[00:32] <georgewp> sweet its doesnlowing and installing
[00:33] <ek> jtisme: Streaming how?
[00:33] <Boohbah> jtisme: do you have mplayerplug-in?
[00:34] <_0tt0v0nc4t_> hello, I just installed kubuntu from ubuntu, and I noticed the adept-updater when I first came into the OS but I cant seem to find a way to turn it on manually now that it has rebooted. adept manager doesnt seem to be helping me either.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[00:34] <jtisme> ek streaming from www.wgst.com  live radio
[00:34] <georgewp> No addons dir at curse-install line 8. damn its one thing after another with this, i supose i need to edit the file
[00:34] <jtisme> Boohbah, yes according to about:plugins
[00:35] <ek> _0tt0v0nc4t_: Open a terminal (Konsole) and type: adept_updater
[00:35] <georgewp> $ADDONS_DIR=$ENV{'ADDONS_DIR'}; <--- thats what the script is looking for and returns die "No addons dir" if !defined $ADDONS_DIR; that sucks.
[00:35] <ek> _0tt0v0nc4t_: You can also use the Adept Manager by selecting to show only updatable/upgradable packages the same way.
[00:35] <_0tt0v0nc4t_> ek: thank you
[00:35] <ek> Welcome.
[00:36] <jtisme> Boohbah, mplayer-in 3.50
[00:36] <ek> jtisme: Hrm. Haven't tried streaming radio in a long, LONG time.
[00:36] <jtisme> ek thanks
[00:38] <jhutchins> ek: Some good stuff out there, lotsa garbage.
[00:38] <ek> jtisme: Make sure your volume isn't muted. :P
[00:38] <ek> jhutchins: Indeed.
[00:39] <ek> I don't have the mplayer plugin here at work. So, it's hard to test.
[00:39] <ek> And I'm leaving like, now-ish.
[00:39] <jtisme> ek  it isnt muted i get good sound out of  cat /bin/ls >/dev/dsp
[00:39] <ek> Otherwise, I'd just install it.
[00:39] <ek> jtisme: Hrm. Okay. I wonder if mplayer isn't opening the correct audio device maybe?
[00:39] <ek> jtisme: Can you watch videos okay using mplayer?
[00:40] <jhutchins> jtisme: You might try playing it with amarok if you have that configured, or xine (which is what amarok uses).
[00:41] <ek> Yeah. That might work.
[00:41] <jtisme> ek yes I can watch videos and with sound
[00:41] <ek> Although, I'm unsure whether wgst.com tosses out .pls files.
[00:41] <georgewp> how do i get psyn links working
[00:42] <jtisme> jhutchins, i am using amarok
[00:42] <ek> jtisme: Hrm. I'm all out of ideas. I don't mess around with much media stuffs. Especially internet media stuff. =/ Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
[00:42] <jtisme> ek I am not new to linux but very new to sound .pls  ??
[00:42] <ek> jtisme: The little streaming playlist files you can download.
[00:42] <jtisme> ek oh ok
[00:42] <ek> Tells your client what server:port to connect to for the stream.
[00:43] <ek> Check around on their site. They might have them.
[00:43] <jtisme> jhutchins, amarok says  "no suitable demux
[00:43] <georgewp> gconftool-2 -s -t string /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/psyn/command '/path/to/curse.sh "%s"' | gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/psyn/enabled true | gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/psyn/needs_terminal false <--- Thats what I would do to get psyn links working in gnome, what would be the commands to do such in KDE?
[00:44] <ek> Wicked.
[00:44] <lsemple2> hey guyz
[00:44] <ek> I have to head home. So, good luck everyone. See you all later.
[00:44] <lsemple2> I am trying to get my kubuntu working, and because its installed on sdc1, I am having a hard time configuring grub
[00:44] <lsemple2> anyone care to help ?
[00:45] <georgewp> later EK
[00:45] <lsemple2> so far I get "Error 15: file not found" when I turn on the computer
[00:48] <sensae> How do I mount a hot-plugged SATA drive?
[00:49] <lsemple2> hello?
[00:50] <greatgib> sensae: if it is not automounted, i think you only have to do a basic mount commande? but the drive names start with sd instead of hd, like sda1 for exemple!
[00:51] <georgewp> anyone know how to update url link handling in kde?
[01:06] <keaton> Every time I download a kernel upgrade, it keeps the old one on my grub boot menu. Is there any way to prevent this and/or remove the old ones?
[01:08] <maduser> remove them from grub?
[01:09] <maduser> to remove them from grub edit the menu.lst
[01:09] <lsemple2> how do I install kubuntu to my hd ???????
[01:09] <lsemple2> live-cd ???
[01:09] <keaton> Thanks, maduser.
[01:10] <maduser> you may want to keep the old ones in grub, but just move the new ones to the top
[01:10] <maduser> the top one will boot automaticaly
[01:10] <keaton> It does that on it's own, but it gets irritating. I'm kind of a neat freak about my computer.
[01:11] <maduser> move the old ones below that to have backups incase of error
[01:11] <lsemple2> how do I install kubuntu to my hd ?
[01:11] <lsemple2> live cd ?
[01:11] <keaton> lsemple2: You can download the live CD, burn it onto a disc, then run it and you'll boot into what's called a live installation of Kubuntu, it runs right off the CD without even touching your HD.
[01:12] <keaton> Once you're in there, you can run the "Install" shortcut on the desktop to install it to the hard drive.
[01:12] <Olgem> Remember to set your BIOS to boot from the installation media
[01:12] <keaton> What he said.
[01:12] <lsemple2> keaton: I tried the alternate installer cd and I can't boot from my kubuntu installation
[01:12] <lsemple2> grub is not set up properly
[01:13] <maduser> or the boot flag is not set to that partition
[01:13] <keaton> Huh, that's weird. I'm not sure why it wouldn't insert itself into the grub list.
[01:13] <maduser> lsemple2: multiple partions?
[01:13] <lsemple2> well its installed to sdc1
[01:14] <lsemple2> sda, sdb are storage
[01:14] <lsemple2> sdc is my primary
[01:14] <maduser> windows on the computer as well as kubunu?
[01:14] <lsemple2> I am thinking of just downloading the live cd and installing it from there
[01:14] <lsemple2> no
[01:15] <maduser> on live cd click install and then install to the hd
[01:15] <lsemple2> yeah thats probably the easiest
[01:16] <lsemple2> that alternate installer cd screwed over my xubuntu too
[01:16] <maduser> thats best for upgrades
[01:16] <lsemple2> useless cd
[01:16] <lsemple2> (well to me anyway)
[01:16] <maduser> you download it so that you can upgrade a current instalation
[01:16] <lsemple2> I had to manually install xfce4
[01:16] <rvk> hi, are there any new releases of kubuntu 8.04?
[01:17] <lsemple2> I am on a live cd right now (kanotix), I wonder if it is possible to download and burn the kubuntu live cd ??
[01:17] <maduser> its possible
[01:17] <lsemple2> while running on a live cd
[01:17] <maduser> but you have to download the cd to a mounted media
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> lsemple2: do you have 2 cd burners?
[01:18] <lsemple2> yeah
[01:18] <Odd-rationale> lsemple2: yes it possible then...
[01:18] <jals> any of you tried peachy dock?
[01:19] <lsemple2> can someone confirm that this is the correct download for kubuntu live cd ? http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[01:19] <Odd-rationale> lsemple2: YES
[01:19] <lsemple2> top link (8.04 hardy heron)
[01:20] <Odd-rationale> lsemple2: yes. i would not reccomend the kde4 remix atm...
[01:20] <rvk> why not kde4 remix?
[01:20] <Odd-rationale> rvk: lsemple2 is rather new...
[01:21] <lsemple2> ok
[01:21] <lsemple2> I was told to stick with kde3 as well
[01:21] <lsemple2> kde4 has tons of bugs
[01:21] <lsemple2> I need something that wont crash on me every day
[01:21] <Odd-rationale> the kde4 remix is still incomplete in some areas. imo. although it is quite stable
[01:22] <lsemple2> well should I get kde4 or kde3 ??
[01:22] <jaime> kd3
[01:22] <Odd-rationale> kde3 for now...
[01:22] <jaime> kde4 is very incomplete, is in process of testing
[01:23] <jaime> try kde3 and then when a stable version goes up you can change
[01:23] <lsemple2> k good cause I already started downloading kde3 :)
[01:24] <r2b2> anybody know of a virus scanner for linux? i'll be using it to scan samba folders accesed by MS windows users
[01:25] <r2b2> linux is virtually virus free- yes but most files stored/shared in samba came from windows,
[01:26] <r2b2> chances are those files are infected
[01:28] <lsemple2> r2b2 bitdefender
[01:28] <lsemple2> www.bitdefender.com
[01:29] <lsemple2> r2b2: bitdefender is one of the best imo
[01:29] <r2b2> i c.. just looking at the site now.. i hope there's a free version
[01:29] <r2b2> thanks anyway
[01:42] <dthacker> r2b2: clamav
[01:42] <dthacker> !clamav
[01:43] <dthacker> hmmm
[01:44] <mr---t> /msg nickserv register at2727 andrudetwentyseven@yahoo.com
[01:44] <mr---t> /msg nickserv set hidemail on
[01:44] <mr---t> /nick mr--t2 /msg nickserv group
[01:44] <RiotingPacifist> flash really sucks at rendering full screen (worse than it did in 7.10) even without compiz!, im on an ati card can i add module donotsuckatflash or something to xorg?
[01:45] <RiotingPacifist> mr---t: thats why you should always do it in the server IRC window
[01:46] <JuJuBee> Just built a new computer with 2 HD's  Have Hardy (kde4) and Win XP Home as dual boot on same disk different partitions... I want to make the second drive for documents that can be access from both OS's.  Should I make it NTFS or EXT3?  I have the driver to access ext3 in windows.
[01:46] <dthacker> JuJuBee: I have no preference
[01:46] <mr---t> what
[01:46] <JuJuBee> So reading/writing NTFS from linux is same as reading/writing ext3 from windows?
[01:47] <JuJuBee> Equally reliable?
[01:47] <RiotingPacifist> JuJuBee: which are you going to use more? support both ways is fairly good but still 'experimental'
[01:47] <HollowPoint> JuJuBee I presonally have 3 other drives than my main OS drive and I have all three set to NTFS even though I don't have a Windows dual boot anymore, lol, it's purely by force of habit
[01:47] <JuJuBee> If I had it my way, windoze would take a verrrryyyy long nap. ;)
[01:48] <RiotingPacifist> [01:44] <mr---t> /msg nickserv register at2727 andrudetwentyseven@yahoo.com
[01:48] <RiotingPacifist> JuJuBee: if you intend to use linux more id go with ext if there about even id go with ntfs as the ntfs drivers can/will improve
[01:48] <mr---t> RiotingPacifist: i'm trying to register a nick
[01:49] <haryono> irc jakarta indonesia kubuntu forum pls
[01:49] <RiotingPacifist> mr---t: you need to remove the space before /msg for it to work
[01:49] <JuJuBee> RiotingPacifist : thanks for the input...Think I will take your suggestion.
[01:50] <mr---t> RiotingPacifist: do i do it here
[01:50] <JuJuBee> Wasn't thinking about future of the ntfs/ext support, of course linux will continue to improve whereas windows will probably continue to suck...
[01:50] <JuJuBee> Are you using kde4 yet?
[01:51] <RiotingPacifist> mr---t:  you can do it anywhere but its normally best to do it in the tab that isnt a chanel, on konversation its called 'ubunut IRC' or something like that
[01:51] <RiotingPacifist> just incase the space slips in
[01:52] <RiotingPacifist> nope its not really ready, 4.1 is pretty useable but i dont think ill switch till 4.2
[01:52] <JuJuBee> Is there a projected date for 4.2?
[01:53] <JuJuBee> I did fresh install and used kde4, finding it difficult at the moment...
[01:53] <RiotingPacifist> about 8 months  away i think, 6 if you use betas
[01:54] <JuJuBee> Can I   install kde3 along with 4 like having gnome and kde at the same time?
[01:54] <_CrashMaster_> My system can barely even handle kde4
[01:55] <RiotingPacifist> JuJuBee: yes just add the right menu, i forget which one it is but one menu gives access to all aps
[01:56] <JuJuBee> Do  you mean within kde4?  Im confused...
[01:56] <RiotingPacifist> _CrashMaster_: with composting off it should be about par with 3, ofc once you start using kde3 & 4 apps together then your ram goes bye bye
[01:56] <RiotingPacifist> JuJuBee: yeah in kde4 you can add a menu that lists all the apps (including kde3 ones) so you can use them side by side
[01:57] <JuJuBee> Oh, you mean add a widget, I did, but the new menu is on the right side of the task bar and I cannot figure out how to move it.
[01:58] <Dragnslcr> Any recommendations for a simple PDF editor?
[02:00] <RiotingPacifist> Dragnslcr: what are you trying to do, i used pdfedit and it did most stuff once you got used to it, but it crashed like windows until i figured it out
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> Just trying to fill out a form. I prefer typing over making someone try to read my horrible handwriting
[02:01] <_CrashMaster_> Make em work for iyt
[02:01] <_CrashMaster_> s/iyt/it
[02:02] <Dragnslcr> PDFEdit can't open it. It's apprently encrypted
[02:02] <Dragnslcr> Well, it's a rebate form, so I can't make them work too hard
[02:02] <RiotingPacifist> Dragnslcr: i dont know of any alternatices you can break the encryption using kpdf
[02:02] <_2> what port is dns using ?
[02:02] <_2> 53 by any chance ?
[02:03] <JuJuBee> PM)_2 : yes
[02:03] <JuJuBee> my bad,
[02:04] <_2> :)
[02:04] <JuJuBee> just _2
[02:04] <JuJuBee> Not used to this irc client, used to kopete
[02:04] <_2> JuJuBee danke
[02:05] <JuJuBee> denada
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> RiotingPacifist- using kpdf and printing to file worked
[02:06] <_CrashMaster_> how do I restart X without restarting the entire system
[02:07] <RiotingPacifist> yeah i was thinking of just saving it but either way
[02:07] <_2> i'm not understanding why some of the time i can't connect to irc.freenode.net because of some icmp storm to port 80   and some times i join without triggering that.    something is physhe
[02:07] <JuJuBee> cntrl+alt+backspace
[02:07] <JuJuBee> but that will log you out and close open apps
[02:07] <_CrashMaster_> Yeah, I dont want to kill it
[02:07] <RiotingPacifist> _CrashMaster_: logout then select restart x from a menu, if your too lazy to do that ctrl+alt+backspace does it the harsh way
[02:07] <_CrashMaster_> just restart it
[02:07] <_2> _CrashMaster_ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[02:09] <_2> if it's not fishy it's phowl
[02:09] <JuJuBee> guess he chose the harsh way...
[02:09] <JuJuBee> :)
[02:11] <_2> i asked in #freenode   they said that it was freenodes proxie scanner,  i say not likely.  something like that wouldn't only check randomly
[02:18] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[02:18] <_2> does anyone think they might know what is "doing it" to my connection ?
[02:18] <[Relic]> Anyone know of anyway , that will actually work w/o problems, to get the nvidia proprietory drivers reinstalled?
[02:18] <_2> [Relic]
[02:19] <PhoenixGI> Relic whats going on.
[02:20] <PhoenixGI> _2 User error???? j/k :)
[02:20] <[Relic]> everytime I try the nvidia one it won't start x
[02:20] <[Relic]> locks up in trying it
[02:20] <PhoenixGI> Which nVidia one, which nvidia card
[02:21] <[Relic]> the nvidia new the nv apparently works but no glx
[02:21] <[Relic]> just DL from nvidia and install?  I can't seem to find the restricted version in the hardware thing anymore
[02:21] <PhoenixGI> What nVidia Card do you have?
[02:21] <_2> PhoenixGI maybe it's that pebcak thing i keep hearing about ?
[02:22] <PhoenixGI> _2 LoL
[02:22] <[Relic]> 8600gt
[02:23] <_CrashMaster_> X won't start. Fatal Server Error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices. This occurs after I have deleted xorg.conf*
[02:24] <Boohbah> _CrashMaster_: so what is your question? isn't it obvious that X won't work if you delete the conf?!
[02:24] <NickPresta> _CrashMaster_, don't run with framebuffer support
[02:24] <PhoenixGI> [Relic] hmmm yeah the "New" driver should work.  I used the one in Apt, not the one direct from nvidia... course they should be the same thing, as they are perpriotory
[02:24] <_2> _CrashMaster_ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[02:24] <_CrashMaster_> Boohbah, I suppose my question is "how can I make a new xorg.conf ?
[02:25] <Boohbah> _CrashMaster_: run 'X -configure'
[02:25] <_2> Boohbah ?
[02:25] <Boohbah> _2: ?
[02:26] <_2> 'X -configure' < ???
[02:26] <Boohbah> _2: runs an interactive X configuration script
[02:26] <Boohbah> that will spit out an xorg.conf
[02:27] <_2> really,     find a new tweek every day
[02:27] <_CrashMaster_> 2: 10 points. Many thanks.
[02:27] <_2> welcome.
[02:27] <Boohbah> _2: your suggestion to use dpkg is probably best
[02:29] <_2> Boohbah i didn't even know that -configure was a switch for X  but it does spit out a config file  "in the $PWD thought."
[02:29] <_2> and on my system fails for normal users of course.
[02:30] <PhoenixGI> [Relic] did you say that the perprority drivers icon isn't showing any more?
[02:32] <_2> i'm no the only one that can't spell propriatary !  </gasp>
[02:33] <PhoenixGI> but yet I can spell Not :)
[02:33] <_2> +t   :)
[02:33] <PhoenixGI> heheh
[02:33] <_2> (propriatary) may be; proprietary
[02:34] <PhoenixGI> ok, looking for e-mail client suggestions.  Kmail.... is ok
[02:35] <PhoenixGI> !email
[02:35] <PhoenixGI> !e-mail
[02:35] <PhoenixGI> bah
[02:35]  * _2 never knows when to use "e"   unless it's like echo "E: something went wrong!"
[02:35] <derekS> hey, i have kubuntu installed, but i turned this machine into a headless box and odn't need an xserver... apt-get remove xorg should get rid of all gui packages right?>
[02:36] <_2> !mail | this is not what you want either PhoenixGI
[02:36] <_2> derekS no.
[02:36] <PhoenixGI> _2 Thanks :P hehe, derek Kubuntu without the GUI?
[02:36] <derekS> _2: how would i do it thien...
[02:36] <PhoenixGI> isn't that just Ubuntu server?
[02:37] <derekS> PhoenixGI: yeah, but i wanted kubuntu when i first installed it, now i don't :)
[02:37] <derekS> i normally didn't care, but upgrading from edgy to hardy is taking forever
[02:37] <_2> derekS ummm maybe something like   sudo apt-get remove xserver*     but i'm not sure that will get everything.
[02:38] <derekS> well, i am not afraid of getting too little, i just don't want too much...
[02:38] <_2> there are packages that run in X that don't depend on X  and libs that x depends on that don't depend on X   so....
[02:38] <derekS> i can aplways dpkg -l to see whats left...
[02:38] <derekS> so xserver* is a better way?
[02:38] <derekS> i'll try that once edgy -> feisty is done
[02:40] <angasule> gah, just installed 8.04 with KDE4 (AMD64), even the panel is buggy as heck :/
[02:40] <derekS> _2: hmm, neither of those do that much
[02:41] <_2> not afraid of "too little"   hmmm i can fix that....    as root;  for q in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove -y $q ;apt-get install -f ;done ;apt-get install ssh ubuntu-base ubuntu-minimal        <<< and it will take some time to step through all the packages to see what can be removed and what cant
[02:41] <eross> if i update to bzip2 manually (1.05), then all of a sudden the repo pops up with v1.05 in there, will it mess up my repository or break a package if it let me install it?
[02:41] <_2> derekS that will clean out your system like a large dose of salts
[02:43] <_2> for q in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove -y $q ;dpkg --configure -a ;apt-get install -f ;done ;apt-get install ssh ubuntu-base ubuntu-minimal
[02:43] <PhoenixGI> _2 Wow, that command hurt my brain
[02:43] <_2> slightly safer   ^
[02:43] <_2> wont leave anything borked
[02:43] <derekS> _2: haha
[02:43] <derekS> too  complicated
[02:44] <_2> might throw in a  -y on the last apt call for safty
[02:44] <ad_> HELLO  Everyone
[02:44] <PhoenixGI> ello ad_
[02:46] <_2> derekS complicated ?    nothing really complicated about that string.   a for loop that calls three commands each time it acts     acting upon the list of installed packages parsed from dpkg and filtered with grep and cut     nothing complicated about it.
[02:46] <ad_> ？
[02:47] <_2> to see what it would do;    for q in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do echo "apt-get remove -y $q " ;done
[02:47] <derekS> _2: i really just want to remove all the dependents of kubuntu
[02:47] <derekS> is there a way to do that?
[02:47] <_2> derekS yeah i just posted it    ^  up there.
[02:48] <derekS> wekk looking, thats not going to work either, arg
[02:48] <_2> derekS why not ?
[02:48] <derekS> don't i need things like hal?
[02:48] <ad_>     understand?
[02:50] <ad_> 谁 给我 推荐 几个 好的 linux  的 书阿 ？
[02:51] <ad_> what are u doing
[02:52] <ad_>  help me  please
[02:52] <_CrashMaster_> _2: what was that dpkg-reconfig command again please?
[02:53] <_2> echo -e "removing packages, please stand by.\n\n" ;for q in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove -y $q >/dev/null 2>&1 ;echo -e "=\c" ;dpkg --configure -a >/dev/null 2>&1 ;apt-get install -f >/dev/null 2>&1 ;done ;echo -e "\n done. \nnow installing base packages, please stand by..." ;apt-get install -y ssh ubuntu-base ubuntu-minimal
[02:53] <_2> _CrashMaster_ that's not for you.
[02:53] <_2> _CrashMaster_ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:55] <_2> all neetly scripted.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=dbbe0b0d
[02:56] <PhoenixGI> _2 yeah don't don't think Crash would have been happy to run that script
[02:56] <PhoenixGI> The long one that is
[02:56] <_CrashMaster_> Yeah, Im looking at it now.
[02:56] <_CrashMaster_> I would have been more than mildly irritated.
[02:57] <_CrashMaster_> Even more so that I ran it, after typing it in.
[02:57] <derekS> _2: apt-get remove kdelibs and kdebase
[02:57] <derekS> and the -data's
[02:58] <_2> derekS doesn't get xorg or it's libs/deps   play with it all you want.   you'll finally get there.
[02:59] <_2> you can use deb-orphan    it helps.
[02:59] <derekS> _2: thats the plan
[02:59] <derekS> yeah
[02:59] <_2> yeah
[02:59] <derekS> if only i didn't agree to install ooo
[02:59] <derekS> arg
[02:59] <derekS> slow download
[02:59] <_2> !info deborphan
[02:59] <derekS> _2: very familiar with
[03:02] <_2> only way i have found is to do that clean up thingy   but you might be satisfied with a few stray packages lying around.     i was only building on your statement of "not afraid of getting too little"  :)
[03:03] <derekS> _2: yeah, my biggest concern is that i want the upgrades to go quick
[03:03] <_2> and your question about hal was either in ignorance or not worth answering.    it may remove hal but it will put it back, and no you dont need it on a headless box.
[03:03] <derekS> so no kde, no xorg, etc
[03:03] <derekS> hmm, what is hal then?
[03:04] <derekS> i thought it was a hardware layer
[03:04] <_2> hardware abstraction layer
[03:04] <derekS> yea
[03:04] <derekS> so why isn't it needed?
[03:04] <derekS> is it only for gui's?
[03:04] <_2> basicly yes.
[03:04] <derekS> ahh
[03:04] <derekS> i didn't realize :)
[03:04] <_2> it makes automount avalable to kde
[03:05] <_2> but like i said the last command of that string will put hal back if it was removed.
[03:05] <derekS> well, i think i am going to start by getting clear of kde, then go through dpkg -l to see what else can be removed
[03:06] <_2> the -y switch on the apt-get remove will prevent removing of essential packages.
[03:06] <derekS> _2: didn't know that
[03:06] <derekS> thats helpful
[03:06] <georgewp> !katapult
[03:06]  * _2 reposts his script for derekS  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d19634cc3   just in case you need to revisit it
[03:07] <derekS> _2: thanks :)
[03:07]  * PhoenixGI is bored... wonder if I can install kde4.1 without hoseing 4.0
[03:08] <_2> PhoenixGI you could always test my scritp for bugs   :)))
[03:08] <PhoenixGI> _2 Not that bored
[03:08] <_2> PhoenixGI heh
[03:09] <PhoenixGI> _2 still need to go over backup procedures... hehe probably should do that before trying to install 4.1 for that matter
[03:09] <_2> absoposolutely
[03:09] <benjamin_es> necesito ayuda para instalar
[03:10] <benjamin_es> ayuda porfavor
[03:10] <_2> !es
[03:10] <benjamin_es> perdon
[03:13] <georgewp> is there any reason I cant install gnome and use both KDE4 and Gnome?
[03:13] <angasule> ubottu: it should be "por favor entre a los canales", "en los canales" is wrong there (I hope the bot grabs this message :) )
[03:13] <_2> georgewp nope
[03:13] <georgewp> why is that?
[03:14] <mjponce> !en
[03:14] <_2> georgewp just because there isn't
[03:14] <georgewp> I dont mean at the same time of course, why would I not be able to choose which desktop environment I wanted to use today.
[03:15] <_2> angasule try; ubottu no es is "your text here"  and put the full message there please.
[03:15] <_2> georgewp you wouldn'td
[03:15] <mjponce> !polite
[03:15] <Dragnslcr> georgewp- what makes you think you can't?
[03:16] <_2> georgewp maybe it's a case of too many negatives ?
[03:16] <mjponce> !please
[03:16] <georgewp> When I tried sudo apt-get gnome it returned that it could not install the packages, i am curious if its due to the fact that I have kde4.1 installed currently
[03:16] <mjponce> !oatience
[03:16] <mjponce> !patience
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> georgewp- install ubuntu-desktop
 is there any reason I cant... <<< <_2> georgewp nope <georgewp> why is that? <_2> georgewp just because there isn't      <<< too many negatives...
[03:17] <mneptok> georgewp: GNOME and KDE can live happily on the same machine, and you can choose to run either
[03:18] <PhoenixGI> _2 Ouch, dang english language
[03:18] <georgewp> but only using Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[03:18] <_2> mneptok yes i already told him that.  but he misunderstood that i answered his question, rather than reading his mind...
[03:18] <angasule> ubottu no es is it should be "por favor entre a los canales", "en los canales" is wrong there (I hope the bot grabs this message :) )
[03:18] <josh> anyone know anything about NFS???
[03:18] <PhoenixGI> _2 hehe Sounds like something the Dr. would say
[03:18] <angasule> _2: done talking with ubottu, thanks :)
[03:19] <_2> angasule welcome.
[03:19] <josh> im having prob with NFS
[03:19] <mneptok> _2: the fact he didn;t understand you was why i answered him
[03:20] <mneptok> angasule: it's still comprehensible.
[03:20] <georgewp> yes and thank you mneptok
[03:21]  * _2 stops having fun at the expense of the rookies  ....
[03:21] <mneptok> georgewp: just install Ubuntu, then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:21] <angasule> mneptok: yes, but it's imperfect :)
[03:21] <mneptok> _2: rookies?
[03:21] <jhutchins> _2: Careful, you'll wake up the old guys.
[03:21]  * mneptok is now awake
[03:21] <_2> jhutchins  heh  yeah.
[03:21] <georgewp> what is the easiest hasle free way to install ubuntu on this machine?
[03:22] <mneptok> _2: you're IRCing as root with Bx. who's the "rookie?" ;)
[03:22] <jhutchins> georgewp: I would presume boot to an ubuntu live cd and use the installer.
[03:22] <mneptok> georgewp: it already has Kubuntu?
[03:22] <_2> georgewp if it works as it is supposed to.  the live CD installer
[03:22] <_2> mneptok the guy that beleaves the user mask is true :)
[03:23]  * _2 hides now
[03:23] <mneptok> _2: "believes"
[03:23] <_2> that too
[03:23] <PhoenixGI> _2 yes, you and I need spell check for IRC
[03:23] <jhutchins> georgewp: Sorry, sorting through the scrollback, do you already have kubuntu and want gnome too?
[03:24] <jhutchins> ... if we may get back to topical help...
[03:24] <_2> PhoenixGI i really do actually.    i can't even spell my own name half the time.
[03:24] <angasule> _2: busted :D
[03:24] <_2> angasule ?
[03:25] <angasule> _2: n=root, if it were true :)
[03:25]  * angasule loves konversation's spellcheck
[03:25] <_2> if it were.   but it's not.
[03:26] <_2> angasule my bx warper http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1929353d
[03:28] <josh> Ok im getting really frustrated here. I havee a NFS share running on 192.168.0.100:/Storage. I mount it on this client pc with: mount 192.168.1.100:/Storage /home/josh/Server. Both the UID on the client for user 'josh' is 1003 and server is 1003. Yet I am still getting permission denied when i "touch /home/josh/Server/test" What am i doing wrong?
[03:28] <angasule> _2: you trickster :)
[03:29] <jals> any fixes for choppy flash in firefox?
[03:30] <_2> mneptok or jhutchins anybody that knows squat about nfs just jump right in and help josh
[03:31] <jhutchins> josh: nfs is funny about that, you've got to hold your toungue just right. Check the mermissions on .../storage, check the permissions in the share definition.
[03:31] <jhutchins> jals: More cpu, more ram.
[03:32] <jhutchins> jals: Possibly more gpu, but mostly it's cpu/io.
[03:32] <jhutchins> jals: Also look at what else might be grabbing clock cycles.
[03:32] <jals> i have enough of those, it's something making it choppy
[03:32] <jals> works fine in windows
[03:33] <_2> jals look for a process eating cpu time      use top maybe.
[03:34] <jals> will do
[03:34]  * mneptok suggests htop
[03:34] <jals> i'll restart firefox
[03:39]  * _2 starts writing a new frontend for top     i think i'll call it "s" "top"   :)
[03:45] <_2> somebody break something !
[03:45] <georgewp> I tried to use an old Ubuntu live cd, the xserver crashes on boot, is there a command to get the xserver to autodetect my display, video, etc to work?
[03:45] <_2> georgewp ummm you have enough ram ?
[03:46] <georgewp> 4 gigs
[03:46] <_2> georgewp you can sujest it use the vesa vidio driver
[03:46] <georgewp> I dont understand? im a newb :/
[03:46] <_2> or reconfigure xorg from a shell within the live CD   and select the vesa driver there
[03:47] <georgewp> whats the command to reconfigure xorg
[03:47] <PhoenixGI> X -configure?
[03:47] <_2> georgewp sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[03:48] <georgewp> k, thank I will try that
[03:49] <_2> good luck rookie
[03:56] <josh> how do i m ake a folder world read/world write
[03:57] <Dragnslcr> From a shell?
[03:57] <_2> chmod 777 path/to/blah
[03:57] <_2> you'll have to sudo it
[03:59] <_2> those octets are the binary composition of <read><write><execute>   and yes dirs need to be executable.   so a 111 for the owner and a 111 for the group and a 111 for the world   or in short  777
[04:00] <_2> imo learning the numerics is much easier than memorizing all the -/+ switches in chmod
[04:00] <haryono> how to clean up or disk defrag in kubuntu system?
[04:01] <_2> also of note the fourth octet is <suid><sgid><sticky>
[04:01] <_2> haryono you have an fs that needs defragged ?
[04:02] <_2> haryono what did you do to get a linux fs in that condition ?
[04:05] <haryono> fs? whatis that?
[04:05] <_2> the highest non-contiguious block count i have ever managed to make is like 5%  and that took a lot of copy move delete overwrite ...  to ever get one in that bad of a condition.
[04:05] <_2> fs = file system
[04:05] <haryono> cshould i defrag or clean up the disk like in Windows microsoft?
[04:05] <_2> probably not.   no.
[04:05] <haryono> ok i just want to know
[04:06] <angasule> I don't think you have to defrag windows' filesystems these days, either
[04:06] <PhoenixGI> yeah you do
[04:07] <haryono> when i type or kli to a keyboard button a flash background color apear in my scren how to fix it?it scause delayed in my work
[04:07] <PhoenixGI> Winders still could use a good defrag everynow and then
[04:07] <Jucato> !defrag | haryono
[04:07] <_2> haryono if you want to know what condition it's in you can boot to single user mode and run two commands.   mount / -o remount,ro ;e2fsck /dev/root    <<< where root is the actual root device or a symlink that points to it.
[04:08] <haryono> give me irc kubuntu jakarta indonesia room pls
[04:08] <_2> !id
[04:09] <haryono> so defrag and clean up hard dikin kubuntu is not necesar?
[04:09] <_2> no
[04:09] <_2> very seldom would anyone need too
[04:09] <haryono> ok yhanks folks
[04:09] <_2> welcome.
[04:10] <haryono> a color background flash when i type or klik , its delayed my work .how to fix it
[04:11] <_2> Jucato you ever seen color flash when you type or click ?
[04:12] <_2> haryono i have never see that happen, so i can't help with that.
[04:13] <haryono> was it because color setting ?
[04:13] <_2> i don't know.   i've never seen that.   sorry.   maybe someone else can help you.
[04:14] <_2> like Jucato
[04:14] <Jucato> _2: sorry. haven't seen that
[04:14] <_2> k
[04:15] <haryono> ok thanks
[04:17] <_2> !patience | haryono maybe ask again in an hour or so...
[04:18] <_2> sometimes people come in that can answer you.  some times, you don't get an answer,   we do what we can.    and often wish we could do more.
[04:19] <[Relic]> not having any luck getting any nvidia restricted driver installed :(
[04:20] <_2> ):
[04:20] <[Relic]> anything short of installing a different distribution that will let me have my coretemps and nvidia restricted drivers?
[04:21] <[Relic]> even tried downloading directly from nvidia site
[04:21] <_2> lmsensors package ?    the restricted manager from the gnome/ubuntu install ?      tried those ideas ?
[04:21] <PhoenixGI> [Relic] wish I could help more... When I enabled the Nvida drivers, it all just worked for me.
[04:22] <haryono> cant run audio/video player and kubuntu webcam pls
[04:23] <[Relic]> PhoenixGI, built a new kernel for the coretemps, but haven't succeeded in getting nvidia drivers back  :(
[04:23] <DaSkreech> haryono: Which player?
[04:23] <_2> [Relic] ah you haven't compiled the nvidia modules for the new kernel yet ?
[04:24] <haryono> amarok /kafeine
[04:24] <[Relic]> thought that was done by the nvidia download
[04:24] <_2> [Relic] i think <keyword) that you have to compile the module if you have a non-stock kernel.
[04:24] <DaSkreech> haryono: They won't open?
[04:25] <[Relic]> it said it had to do that and did it
[04:25] <haryono> cant open
[04:25] <[Relic]> supposedly
[04:25] <_2> [Relic] hmmm (blind leading the blind)    find /lib/modules/ -iname *nvidia*
[04:26] <_2> [Relic] see if they show up in the running kernel version     `uname -r`   ^
[04:27] <[Relic]> yes they do
[04:28] <haryono> when i insert cd in cdrom driver its only appear dolphin.?
[04:28] <_2> [Relic] ummm sudo modprobe nvidia<what ever was in the find list> ?
[04:28] <_2> do they error out ?
[04:30] <_2> haryono that's kde4  there is dedicated channel for that also    /join #kubuntu-kde4
[04:30] <_2> !kde4
[04:30] <[Relic]> one loaded
[04:30] <haryono> when i try to play cd w amarok .in the screen appear dolphin cant play cd
[04:31] <_2> [Relic] which one ?
[04:31] <haryono> mine is kde 3.how to get kde4?
[04:31] <dwidmann_laptop> haryono: dolphin or d3lphin?
[04:31] <dwidmann_laptop> haryono: sudo apt-get install dolphin-kde4
[04:31] <_2> dolphin is a kde4 app
[04:31] <DaSkreech> haryono: are you in KDE3?
[04:31] <dwidmann_laptop> I can't guarentee that will work any better for you, however, haryono
[04:31] <_2> d3lphin would be it's kde3 backport
[04:31] <DaSkreech> _2: why are you assuming that cause he has Dolphin he has KDE4?
[04:32] <dwidmann_laptop> The action menus have been lacking thus far in dolphin.
[04:32] <_2> DaSkreech the name ?
[04:32] <dwidmann_laptop> DaSkreech: maybe b ecause the person said dolphin instead of d3lphin?
[04:32] <haryono> dolphin only read maybe
[04:32] <[Relic]> _2, nvidiafb
[04:32] <haryono> im in kde3
[04:33] <_2> [Relic] ummm that's not good.   that's the one you don't want.
[04:33] <haryono> ok dwidman i try
[04:33] <DaSkreech> _2: It says Dolphin on the App
[04:33] <_2> DaSkreech so help him.
[04:33] <DaSkreech> haryono: type alt+space and type amarok
[04:33] <[Relic]> _2, xorg.conf is blank so I am not sure what is being loaded to allow things to run
[04:34] <_2> [Relic] yeah i'm not familear with what they are using in place of xorg.conf in hardy.+
[04:35] <haryono> when o klik amarok appear amarok playlist in the box
[04:35] <[Relic]> older versions (backups) are full of stuff
[04:35] <_2> [Relic] used to be as simple as; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow    # but they tell me that that command doesn't help in the newest release
[04:35] <DaSkreech> haryono: Which box?
[04:35] <haryono> amarok is open up but the playlist is not the one in my unserted cd
[04:35] <josh> Im trying to change my userid using: sudo usermod -u 1001 <my username> .. when I restart X and login it gives me a lot of problems .. what do i do?
[04:36] <haryono> the box when i klik amarok from multi media
[04:36] <DaSkreech> josh: your files are still owned by 1000
[04:36] <haryono> multi media in KDE Menu
[04:36] <_2> josh in a console "own your home"    sudo chown -R $USER $HOME
[04:37] <josh> ok
[04:37] <DaSkreech> haryono: Ah umm
[04:37] <josh> Idid that and still getting problem
[04:37] <DaSkreech> haryono: On amarok there is a menu on the top left that says Amarok
[04:37] <josh> Lots of errors when gnome starts
[04:38] <DaSkreech> haryono: Under there should be a play Audio CD
[04:38] <_2> josh be more specific   what errors ?
[04:38] <josh> Permission pronblmes
[04:38] <josh> An error occured while loading or saving configuration information for evolution-alarm-notify .. etc
[04:38] <josh> tons and tons of stuff
[04:38] <josh> and yes i did change my perms
[04:38] <haryono> dwidman terminal cant read dolphin -kde4 as u said
[04:39] <_2> josh  you did run the chown command as the user in question with sudo prepended,   no ?
[04:39] <josh> yes
[04:40] <_2> josh hmmm    ls -ld ~/.*     > pastebin the output
[04:41] <haryono> Daskreech when i enter to KDE Menu and Multi media amarok the first box apear is Amarok Playlist
[04:41] <josh> ithink i ts good
[04:41] <_2> all owned by you ?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> haryono: does Amarok open?
[04:42] <_2> josh: all owned by you ?
[04:43] <_2> josh: err all but ..  which would be owned by root
[04:44] <dana> hello
[04:44] <DaSkreech> !hi
[04:44] <dana> anyone there?
[04:44] <smAs> haryono: amakok opens and it starts in playlist ??? than change to whatever you want ... context, collection, file ...
[04:44] <_2> dana nope.
[04:44] <dana> thanka haha
[04:44] <dana> thanks*
[04:45] <dana> i know this really isn't the place, but is there a place to find like RP Taverns and schtuff?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> What's an RP tavern?
[04:45] <PhoenixGI> RolePlay Tavern?
[04:46]  * Guest599 fax me a beer
[04:46]  * DaSkreech tries to imagine how he would roleplay a Tavern
[04:46]  * _2 thinks all the world is RPG
[04:46] <haryono> Amarok box open and the title on the top is Amarok Playlist
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Hary awww what now?
[04:46]  * [Relic] thinks _2 is silly, you are all just a figment of my demented imagination  :)
[04:46] <smAs> haryono: amakok opens and it starts in playlist ??? than change to whatever you want ... context, collection, file ...
[04:47] <dana> lmao
[04:47] <dana> i just realized what i said
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Oh good
[04:47] <DaSkreech> cause I still have no clue
[04:50]  * PhoenixGI bangs head on desk.... 
[04:50] <_2> headdesk!
[04:50] <PhoenixGI> With everything else so easy here, why is using a DVD drive so diffacult
[04:50] <DaSkreech> haryono: on Amarok Playlist there is an Amarok menu
[04:50] <DaSkreech> it should say Play Audio CD
[04:50] <DaSkreech> haryono: Do you have a preffered language?
[04:51] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: you press the one button on the front and it comes out
[04:51] <haryono> indonesia
[04:51] <DaSkreech> you apply a disc or take one out and press it again
[04:51] <smAs> hati hati :)
[04:51] <DaSkreech> !indonesia
[04:52] <PhoenixGI> DaSkreech hehe yeah that part works, just writing it is were I seem to be having issues.
[04:52] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: k3b failed?
[04:52] <haryono> but in ubuntu no one know kubuntu
[04:53] <PhoenixGI> DaSkreech: errr k3b?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: You are burning a DVd?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> :-(
[04:53] <PhoenixGI> Wanted to use it for backup.... so yeah burning to dvd
[04:54] <PhoenixGI> if k3b is the answer, it's only a Apt-get away
[04:55] <PhoenixGI> err a sudo apt-get away... dang sudo command
[04:56] <_2> k3b is pretty decent    i like xcdroast for cd's still
[04:56] <DaSkreech> haryono: http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9320/amaroksnapshot1vr0.png
[04:56] <DaSkreech> haryono: Thats where the play CD is
[04:57] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: are you in Kubuntu?
[04:57] <PhoenixGI> DaSkreech yes I'm using Kubuntu
[04:58] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: alt+space -> k3b
[04:58] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: in fact alt+space -> k ;-)
[04:58] <PhoenixGI> Does nothing for me... kde4.0
[04:59] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: Oooo
[04:59] <DaSkreech> 4.0 or 4.1 ?
[04:59] <PhoenixGI> 4.0
[04:59] <DaSkreech> oh :-(
[04:59] <PhoenixGI> 4.1 had the word beta attached to it.... 4.0 should have also
[05:00] <DaSkreech> It had Eat children attached to it
[05:00] <PhoenixGI> See, that would have made me install it for sure if I saw that
[05:01] <DaSkreech> well .. yeah it was said and you did install it so I guess that worked out well
[05:01] <PhoenixGI> hehe true
[05:01] <_2> so the alt+space (katapult) is just some eyecandy cpu eating alt+f2 thingy ?     this is the first time i have seen katapult     just got curious about it i guess.
[05:02] <PhoenixGI> Since I've been fighting noobness and 4.0 at the same time been tempted to just make the jump to the 4.1 beta
[05:02] <angasule> _2: with katapult you don't have to type in full, so you don't depend on the recent commands of alt+f2
[05:02] <DaSkreech> _2: and it takes paths and things
[05:03] <_2> angasule katapult is no shorter for k3b than alt+f2 is
[05:03] <DaSkreech> and it's a nice visual calculator
[05:03] <DaSkreech> _2: It is for a file 6 dirs deep in your home directory
[05:03] <angasule> _2: uh? k3 doesn't show 'k3b'? anyway, for konquest, it makes a difference :P
[05:03] <PhoenixGI> hehe thats been added to the K menu in 4
[05:03] <_2> DaSkreech heh and how would it find that ?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> PhoenixGI: Wait till the next beta
[05:04] <PhoenixGI> DaSkreech Will do
[05:04] <DaSkreech> _2: for me it's Doc/W/MI/t/p
[05:05] <DaSkreech> instead of Documents/Work/MIB/trunk/pythoninit
[05:05] <DaSkreech> A good deal faster
[05:05] <PhoenixGI> Men In Black???? Agent Dee or Agent Ess
[05:05] <_2> DaSkreech heh i have symlinks for things like that,    and use the cli anyway.
[05:06] <DaSkreech> _2: I can pull up a random Wallpaper I'm talking about to someone like that
[05:06] <DaSkreech> or I can pull up an album and have Amarok play it
[05:06] <_2> i'll look at it again,     and then turn it off  ;)
[05:07] <epimeth> umm... what happens if you have both backports and the kde4 repository installed and you install kubuntu-kde4-desktop?
[05:07] <DaSkreech> _2: What would make it useful?
[05:07] <epimeth> does 4.0.5 take precedence or does 4.1beta?
[05:07] <kiltro> chile??
[05:08] <DaSkreech> epimeth: newest one wins
[05:08] <DaSkreech> !chile
[05:08] <DaSkreech> What lang does chile speak?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> portugese?
[05:08] <kiltro> spanish
[05:08] <DaSkreech> !es
[05:08] <_2> DaSkreech nothing that i can think of.
[05:08] <_2> DaSkreech i'm not a gui guy
[05:08] <DaSkreech> _2: Why aren't you?
[05:09] <_2> why would i be ?
[05:09] <Ashex> has anyone else had issues with Kopete?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> _2: This is kinda trying to bridge that gap :)
[05:09] <_2> question is dubble edged
[05:09] <Ashex> particularly with msn not connecting, and aim not setting status messages?
[05:09] <PhoenixGI> Ok, have to ask this noob question... I just accidently closed terminal while in the middle of apt-get install... what happens to my install
[05:09] <_2> DaSkreech i thought konsole was supposed to do that
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Near as I know MSN changed some server stuff last week (I think) so it's a bit broken right now
[05:09] <Ashex> DaSkreech, It's been broken for me since release
[05:10] <DaSkreech> _2: ahmm not quite. Konsole isn't database driven
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Ashex: #kopete They would have far more information than we would
[05:10] <Ashex> DaSkreech, kopete crashes as soon as I try to connect with an msn account
[05:10] <_2> oh that's why i don't like katapult.    if you hadn't mentioned database i would never have known.
[05:10] <Ashex> DaSkreech, alright. I suspect it's the ubuntu build
[05:10] <DaSkreech> ?>_<
[05:10] <Ashex> I'm about ready to uninstall kopete and just compile the latest version
[05:11] <_2> same reason i don't like slocate
[05:11] <DaSkreech> laggy?
[05:11] <epimeth> so 4.0.5 then?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> 4.1 > 4.0.5
[05:12] <DaSkreech> For most numbering systems
[05:12] <epimeth> PhoenixGI: you clicked on the x?
[05:12] <epimeth> DaSkreech: yea, but you said "newest"
[05:13] <PhoenixGI> epimeth: Yes
[05:13] <epimeth> and 4.0.5 was the most recently released one
[05:13] <DaSkreech> epimeth: Ah right :)
[05:13] <_2> shouldn't katapult do something if you type in bash ?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Sorry I meant highest number wins
[05:13] <DaSkreech> _2: ahmm ?
[05:13] <PhoenixGI> _2 Launch a club at your forhead maybe?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Like drop a floating bash prompt?
[05:13] <epimeth> _2: no, it runs applications from the application db
[05:14] <_2> like open a konsole or something DaSkreech
[05:14] <epimeth> _2: so what you want is "konsole"
[05:14] <_2> epimeth and this database is where?  os was generated how ?
[05:14] <stdin> _2: no, remember the commands are ran via kdeinit, which just launches a new process, bash to be precise ;)
[05:15] <epimeth> _2: the command "updatedb"
[05:15] <DaSkreech> _2: It's the database of what's in the kmenu by default
[05:15] <DaSkreech> epimeth: No it isn't :-P
[05:15] <epimeth> really?
[05:15] <epimeth> I could have sworn it did....
[05:15] <DaSkreech> _2: alt+space -> ^c -> c
[05:15] <_2> epimeth that's the slocate database updater
[05:16] <_2> bash is in my kmenu
[05:16] <kgx> !mic
[05:16] <_2> so is dash
[05:16] <kgx> !microphone
[05:16] <epimeth> hrm... thats not the "Execution Catalog" ?
[05:16] <_2> kgx i'm with you.  it should be there.
[05:17] <ubuntu_> I am in the middle of installing kubuntu
[05:17] <ubuntu_> and I thought I would ask here before continuing
[05:17] <ubuntu_> when I click advanced during the installation process to bring up the grub boot loader options
[05:17] <_2> and when i click bash in the kmenu it opens a konsole with bash in it.  and does dash the same way.
[05:17] <ubuntu_> should I change anything
[05:17] <kgx> _2: im getting annoying of my mic not working on laptop. can't use skype because ofi t :(
[05:18] <ubuntu_> or leave it at (hd0)
[05:18] <ubuntu_> even though the install is going to be sdc1
[05:18] <epimeth> PhoenixGI: you can check if you killed the process by running $ps -fuxa | grep apt
[05:18] <epimeth> PhoenixGI: you can check if you killed the process by running $ps -fuxa | grep 'apt'
[05:18] <_2> kgx last time i messed with a builtin mic   it was just muted and the record was not set to the mic but to the main.    you can check/change both in the alsamixer
[05:18] <DaSkreech> _2: I thought dash was none interactive
[05:19] <_2> DaSkreech heh.  not hardly.
[05:19] <epimeth> PhoenixGI: if nothing appears then the process is dead
[05:19] <_2> DaSkreech it's a posix compliant shell
[05:20] <PhoenixGI> epimeth well I brought up System Monitor, Apt-get was on the proceess table, it's gone now.. soooo I guess it's done
[05:20] <_2> pidof apt-get
[05:21] <epimeth> PhoenixGI: either its done or its dead.  the only way to find out is by running update and / or upgrade
[05:21]  * _2 likes pidof     or pgrep which some sware by
[05:21] <DaSkreech> haryono: how are you doing?
[05:21]  * epimeth has never heard of pidof but will now start using it
[05:22] <_2> epimeth it's been a main stay of linux for ever.  in /bin/   almost all *nix's have it.
[05:23] <PhoenixGI> brb
[05:23] <epimeth> _2: well I never heard of it :-)  I always used ps fuxa | grep
[05:23] <_2> epimeth heh  ok.
[05:24] <_2> pidof X
[05:24] <_2>        pgrep,  pkill  -  look  up  or signal processes based on name and other
[05:24] <_2>        attributes
[05:24] <epimeth> pidof X | kill -9 :-p
[05:25] <_2> pgrep -k X
[05:25] <_2> sorry -k is wrong os   -s  is what linux uses
[05:27] <_2> epimeth and for something like that   i like     killall X
[05:28] <_2> kills named process and it's children.
[05:28]  * _2 favours genicide in such cases
[05:29] <epimeth> too many ways to do the same thing
[05:30] <_2> you can't pipe into kill tho
[05:30] <_2> " pidof X | kill -9 "  == error                 "kill -9 `pidof X`"  == xorg go down like curd in churn
[05:31] <epimeth> you can't pipe into kill?
[05:31] <epimeth> hrm
[05:31] <epimeth> didn't know that...
[05:31] <epimeth> makes sence, tho
[05:31] <Artimus> What's the maximum amount of command line arguments to ls?  I just ran
[05:31] <Artimus> ls on a quarantine directory, it said too many command line arguments.
[05:31] <_2> killall /usr/bin/X    ==    gui go down like curd in churn too
[05:32] <DaSkreech> kill doesn't take stdin
[05:32] <_2> nope
[05:32] <epimeth> works for me :-)
[05:32] <DaSkreech> _2: What do you use to listen to music?
[05:32] <epimeth> Artimus: ls should work on any directory
[05:32] <_2> DaSkreech ?    app you mean ?
[05:32] <epimeth> Artimus: what was the exact command you ran?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Si
[05:32] <_2> DaSkreech sox
[05:32] <DaSkreech> never heard of it :)
[05:33] <epimeth> _2: I use amarok
[05:33] <_2> !info sox
[05:33] <Artimus> epimeth: "ls *"
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I don't get the x
[05:33] <DaSkreech> but *shrugs*
[05:33] <Artimus> epimeth: (I ran this on a Windows box...  There are a ton of files in this folder...  1.9GB of quarantined files.  I'm going to have a bad night)
[05:33] <PhoenixGI> Artimus Ouch
[05:34] <ubuntu_> Hi
[05:34] <_2> Artimus don't use  *  for ls use -R for recursive listings.
[05:34] <ubuntu_> I am trying to install kubuntu of the latest live cd
[05:34] <ubuntu_> need help here
[05:34] <Artimus> _2: I used find, but thanks
[05:34] <epimeth> Artimus: what do you need to know about it?
[05:34] <Artimus> epimeth: I'm curious how many arguments ls can take
[05:34] <epimeth> !ask | ubuntu_
[05:35] <Artimus> I ran "ls *" meaning it was using every file in the list as an argument.
[05:35] <_2> Artimus that works too   but many apps  like mv rm ls ln and so forth will error if there are too many files list by *
[05:35] <epimeth> Artimus: however many it takes...
[05:35] <Artimus> epimeth: No, how many before it spits out an error
[05:35] <Artimus> Like it did
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Artimus: Apps don't have a limit for most cases
[05:35] <Artimus> Then why did ls die?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Artimus: The shell does though
[05:35] <Artimus> oh...
[05:35] <epimeth> ls [OPTION]... [FILE]...
[05:35] <Artimus> DaSkreech: Oh, duh, it's bash...
[05:36] <_2> Artimus i think it's a bit count and not an actual arg count   i.e. number of chars
[05:36] <ubuntu_> epimeth: when I click the install button, I follow the instructions, get to a stage to select the hd to install to, I select sdc1 (my primary 80gb), then I am not sure if I need to change the grub boot device because by default it is set to (hd0)
[05:36] <ubuntu_> but I left it at hd0, and when I reboot I get : File not found
[05:36] <_2> DaSkreech backwards.  the shell can pass far more arguments than ls or rm can handle
[05:36] <ubuntu_> do I need to change (hd0) to (hd2) ???
[05:37] <DaSkreech> _2: really what's the limits on each?
[05:37] <ubuntu_> because the drive I am installing to is sdc1
[05:37] <Artimus> _2: Thanks
[05:37] <epimeth> ubuntu_ your primary is sdc?  that seems odd to me
[05:37] <ubuntu_> well sda is 500gb storage, sdb is 200gb storage
[05:37] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: which one is bootable?
[05:37] <Artimus> It's more of a curiosity anyway.  find . -iname "*.dat" -exec rm {} \; worked very well for me to clear out the ton of files...
[05:37] <ubuntu_> sdc
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Then you need to install grub to hd2
[05:38] <_2> DaSkreech i'm not sure of the char count   but i have had to use things like     find /path -exec rm '{}' \;    for things that   rm /path/*  wouldn't work on,   and many such things.
[05:38] <DaSkreech> _2: k I'll ask greycat
[05:38] <Artimus> _2: We think alike
[05:38] <ubuntu_> ok I will just reinstall again, didnt take too long
[05:38] <_2> DaSkreech and for bash the cli arg limit is 64k
[05:38] <DaSkreech> That I know
[05:38] <epimeth> yea, I'm with _2 on the find thing
[05:38] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: Unless I can quickly repair this instead of reinstalling
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !grub
[05:39] <ubuntu_> I will just reinstall I never have good luck half the instructions dont work half the time
[05:39] <ubuntu_> thanks
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:39] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:39] <epimeth> Artimus: also, have you tried redirecting to less?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah probably faster
[05:39] <_2> DaSkreech also one can use a for loop and leave find out of it.     for q in /path/* ;do rm $q ;done      "all sh all the time"
[05:40] <Artimus> epimeth: That might be fun.  Haven't tried it yet.
[05:40] <_2> :)
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's what I normally do
[05:40] <_2> the for loop proves that the shell can handle the full list
[05:41] <_2> for being a shell builtin
[05:41] <epimeth> _2, Artimus: and instead of "rm" I would try "echo" first :-p
[05:41] <_2> yep
[05:42] <epimeth> I haven't done any bash programming in a loooong time....
[05:42] <_2> heh or rm -i
[05:42] <_2> but that's slow when the list is longer than rm can handle.
[05:42] <Artimus> epimeth: I ran the command with just find first.  It outputs the text too.
[05:43] <epimeth> Artimus: I wasn talking about _2's loop suggestion
[05:43] <epimeth> Artimus: but, yea, find defaults to --print
[05:43] <Artimus> epimeth: Oh, nevermind then
[05:43] <_2> one dash   -print   :)
[05:44] <Artimus> Say, has anyone tried Terabyte Image For Linux?  I'm using their Windows product (I get a free copy of the Linux version with it).  Kind of nifty.  Curious if anyone else has used it.
[05:44] <_2> !find terabyte
[05:44] <Artimus> _2: Closed source
[05:44] <frybye> hi have installed KRec and it dosent work - any tips?
[05:44] <_2> i see
[05:45] <_2> !doesntwork
[05:45] <Artimus> _2: It's kind of like Ghost or Acronis...  I feel bad about using a closed source program, but it works.
[05:45] <frybye> dosent seem to see the microphone - and records in a strange format anyhow apparently..
[05:46] <_2> Artimus ok.  i've never used any of those either  ;/
[05:47] <clifford> Hi - does anyone know how to get the sound working after using rhythmbox? (I was told not to use it but forgot!!) Please help
[05:47] <Artimus> _2: In Linux partitions, it's basically DD with a frontend & validation.  I use it to image Windows partitions before I work on them
[05:48] <_2> frybye does it record the vidio portion correctly ?
[05:50]  * Guest599 thank you and good night
[05:50] <frybye> have no video input on this pc - just trying to rec from microphone..
[05:51] <frybye> i says "very much data"..? and produces a file in a format I have never seen before..#
[05:52] <frybye> I had this installed in a prev. installaton and it rec. in ogg - but this time not apparently..?
[05:52] <_2> Artimus then sox or anything that wasn't made for vidio recording would be a better choice       even audacity  would  be usable for you
[05:52] <_2> sorry not Artimus
[05:52] <frybye> have I got the wrong appl...?
[05:52] <_2> frybye  ^
[05:52] <richard_> if i have 5 lamps of 5v, how many v i need to have a good performance¿?
[05:52] <frybye> ah ha...
[05:52] <frybye> which of them would you suggest...?
[05:53] <PhoenixGI> Installing K3B did let me write to the DVD, but Keep Still doesn't want to use it for backups
[05:53] <richard_> 25v?
[05:53] <frybye> something simple to use - need for audio-mails...
[05:53] <_2> richard_ if you parallel them  5v   if you seriese them 25v
[05:53] <richard_> thanks _2
[05:53] <_2> richard_ but running lamps in seriese is not normally desirable
[05:55] <richard_> i have in seriese
[05:55] <_2> lamp1[05:55] <richard_> if i have 5v,5v,2v,2v,2v, how many voltage i need
[05:56] <_2> reason being the highest resistance lamp will be the brightest and the others will starve.
[05:56] <richard_> 16v?
[05:56] <_2> nope  that will only blow bulbs
[05:58] <richard_> and then....
[05:58] <_2> and then none work because one is open circute
[05:59] <_2> use parallel circutry for lamps     or keep your lamps very closely matched, and even then they wont all preform correctly
[05:59] <lsemple_> prior to installing kubuntu I backed up my old /home folders, to restore them should I just copy them back ?
[06:00] <richard_> but teorically...
[06:00] <_2> a teory that is known to be flawed is not one to discuss
[06:01] <_2> lsemple_ yes   and then own your home
[06:01] <richard_> ok thanks _2 thanks
[06:02] <richard_> i no disturbe more
[06:02] <_2> richard_ welcome.
[06:02] <lsemple_> ok, on the old system I had two users (/home/lsemple and /home/csemple), if I where to just copy them back would that automatically create the second user for me (csemple) ?
[06:03] <lsemple_> or do I need to use a program like kuser to add a new user, then copy the folder back ?
[06:03] <richard_> ;)
[06:04] <_2> lsemple_ no.   sudo adduser     (and to own your home login as the user in question and)  sudo chown -R $USER $HOME
[06:04] <_2> lsemple_  sorry,  i type slow.  yes kuser will work   no it wont add for you.
[06:06] <_2> shoot.  you are cutting into my lunch break.   i'll be back in 2.5 hours when lunch is over  ;)
[06:06] <richard_> yeah i think so, i must take the lamps of menor voltage as the high voltage and add
[06:08] <richard_>  yeah i think so, i must take the lamps of menor voltage as the high voltage and add
[06:09] <lsemple_> _2: for some reason the permissions for the second user (csemple) got changed to lsemple in the backup process, does the command chown -R $csemple $csemple change the permissions ?
[06:09] <PhoenixGI> Isemple_ I think _2 went to grab some lunch
[06:10] <lsemple_> ok
[06:11] <lsemple_> is there any important files in a newly created /home/csemple folder that I need to keep before I replace the entire folder ??
[06:12] <PhoenixGI> Isemple_ wish I could help, but I'm still very new to linux
[06:12] <lsemple_> thats ok
[06:15] <coteyr> I am using the kde4.1 beta. I am tying to configure kate's external tools plugin. but I can't see to figure it out. Where is the configuration panel, or if theres no tool yet, what files do I edit?
[06:24] <Ashex> how does one change the security settings in Kubuntu?
[06:24] <Ashex> would be nice if I didn't have to enter my password to mount a flash drive
[06:26] <frybye> coteyr - there is a separate # for kde4 - see greeting message ^
[06:27] <coteyr> thanks
[06:29] <Ashex> !lavc
[06:34] <HollowPoint> lively in here tonight!
[06:39] <Brian88> hi howto enable animations on k-menu and/or windows in kubuntu?
[06:39] <lsemple_> hi, I installed kubuntu, and whenever I install any programs (firefox, qps ect), and try to run them, I get error: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: cannot open display: :0.0  ?
[06:40] <HollowPoint> Brian88 compiz-fusion
[06:41] <lsemple_> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyqps: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[06:41] <enos> Help. I can't seem to understand what's *causing* ubuntu to appear so bright. I looked at xorg.conf and it doesnt look like its neither recognizing my video card's drivers (as its using vesa) nor my monitor (as its using a generic one). Help.
[06:42] <Brian88> HollowPoint: thanks
[06:43] <HollowPoint> enos it's quite normal for xorg.conf to use a generic monitor, what graphics card do you have?
[06:47] <enos> HollowPoint: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express
[06:48] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmm, hold on
[06:49] <anom01y> how can I change the permissions for an entire folder and all the subfulders, including hidden files and folders within ??
[06:49] <enos> HollowPoint: I'm using an external LCD. my monitor on the laptop works fine.
[06:49] <enos> but its my external LCD that's brightness is excessive
[06:50] <Brian88> my Kopete crashes if I tried to IM a Yahoo ID (it's "yeni.setiawan"), why?
[06:51] <HollowPoint> no idea Brian88 I'd try updating it
[06:52] <HollowPoint> enos how did you configure the dual screen?
[06:52] <HollowPoint> have you tried the external monitor on another machine to see if the monitor is just stuck as exceptionally bright
[06:53] <enos> HollowPoint: I didn't. it xorg just generated the xorg.conf automagically? ...so didnt manually do anything.
[06:54] <HollowPoint> are you using the external monitor for dual screen or just as a replacement screen with the lid shut on the laptop?
[06:54] <enos> HollowPoint: I'm using the external LCD as a substitute for the lcd on the laptop.
[06:54] <Guest63667> anom01y: try chmod -R dir_name
[06:55] <Brian88> HollowPoint: howto update
[06:55] <HollowPoint> ok, in that case I would try running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" this will return your xorg.conf to it's normal state, then try booting it up again
[06:56] <HollowPoint> Brian88 "sudo apt-get update
[06:56] <Brian88> HollowPoint: thx
[07:02] <enos> okay
[07:04] <enos> HollowPoint: "try booting it up again" do you mean the "x sever" or my laptop?
[07:05] <HollowPoint> well officially I meant your laptop but if you can't be bothered to wait then restarting the X server should actually be sufficient, I prefer the laptop though
[07:05] <HollowPoint> damnit, wonder which option he chose
[07:08] <Brian88> HollowPoint: I cannot update it.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/19219/
[07:13] <smAs> Brian88: it tells you whats wrong ...
[07:14] <smAs> Duplicate sources.list entry cdrom://Kubuntu 8.04 _Hardy Heron
[07:17] <HollowPoint> ah
[07:18] <HollowPoint> you need to open the adept package manager from the k menu > System then click Adept menu and manager repositories, remove the entry which uses the Hardy Heron CD
[07:27] <Brian88> HollowPoint: has updated it, but still have same problems...
[07:31] <smAs> Brian88: please past your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <HollowPoint> the screen is still pale?
[07:32] <HollowPoint> well I need to reboot, just run all the updates after a fresh install of Hardy on this laptop, back in a few minutes.
[07:34] <lsemple> why when I change the password for root, the password for kdesu is not changed
[07:35] <lsemple> I can log in with the root password using "sux", but "kdesu" the same password does not work ?
[07:36] <smAs> because you are in the sudoror group lsemple
[07:36] <lsemple> how can I fix this ??
[07:37] <Brian88> smAs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19224/
[07:37] <smAs> check the file /etc/sudoers
[07:38] <smAs> Brian88: you still get the duplicate errors
[07:39] <lsemple> smAs: all I want to do is make it so I use the same root password for kdesu as sux ?
[07:39] <lsemple> k nm
[07:39] <lsemple> I will just use the regular user password I guess
[07:40] <smAs> !root
[07:40] <lsemple> yes thanks I had it set up different on my last system
[07:41] <smAs> Brian88: commente all the cd stuff with a # out if you are not using the cd anyway
[07:41] <Brian88> smAs: I use the CD'
[07:42] <Brian88> smAs: *CD
[07:42] <smAs> Brian88: than leave only one entry for cd in
[07:43] <smAs> lsemple: than take your username out of the /etc/sudoers
[07:43] <zEr0-x> hi everybody!
[07:46] <Brian88> smAs: I deleted the 4 duplicate of the CD and kate says that : The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list. Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is availabl
[07:46] <smAs> jesus Brian88 you have to be root to do so ...
[07:47] <lsemple> does xmms exist anymore ????
[07:47] <smAs> no lsemple
[07:47] <lsemple> damn I had every plugin for that set up
[07:47] <Brian88> smAs:
[07:47] <lsemple> now that I reinstalled everything its gone ??
[07:47] <smAs> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:47] <Brian88> smAs: Finished. Now should I do the sudo apt-get update again?
[07:47] <smAs> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list Brian88
[07:48] <smAs> yes try again
[07:48] <smAs> !info xmms
[07:48] <smAs> !info xmms2
[07:48] <zEr0-x> how can I run a .bin installer ?
[07:48] <smAs> !info xmms2 | lsemple
[07:48] <zEr0-x> how can I run a .bin file ?
[07:48] <lsemple> xmms2 has a front end yet ?
[07:48] <smAs> why would you zEr0-x
[07:49] <Brian88> smAs: Reading package lists... Done
[07:49] <smAs> lsemple: i think yes but i don't use xmms
[07:49] <smAs> Brian88: good
[07:50] <zEr0-x> why would you zEr0-x ¿? I dunnot undersand
[07:50] <lsemple> it had a really good 32 channel stereo equalizer plugin
[07:50] <smAs> what .bin file do you want to run and why zEr0-x
[07:51] <smAs> xmms was not maintained for a long time ... and there are better player out there
[07:51] <zEr0-x> I want to install kbasic (software development tool) but it came in a .bin file, and I don't know how to run it
[07:51] <smAs> !info kbasic
[07:51] <zEr0-x> so... what should i do ?
[07:52] <HollowPoint> vlc tends to do the trick :D
[07:52] <HollowPoint> plays pretty much everything you can imagine
[07:53] <smAs> zEr0-x: give me a second
[07:53] <zEr0-x> ok smAs, thanks
[07:55] <smAs> zEr0-x: normaly it is cd to the folder and ./program_name.bin ... but be carefull with things like that ... the savest way is to install via apt-get or synaptic
[07:56] <zEr0-x> apt-get or synaptic, any how to?
[07:56] <smAs> there is no package for kubuntu so you have to use the .bin ...
[07:57] <zEr0-x> so, how to use the apt-get for install the file ?
[07:58] <smAs> zEr0-x: savest install is to install packages that are made for ubuntu ... you install them via gui synaptic or cli apt-get ... if the package is not supported for ubuntu apt-get will not find it ... you can also check here in the irc via !info <package> if it exists
[07:58] <smAs> !apt
[08:01] <smAs> if you install ./package-name.bin you might run into trouble ... for advanced linux user no problem but for new user this might cause some problems ... zEr0-x
[08:01] <zEr0-x> ajá
[08:01] <zEr0-x> sMas, gracias
[08:01] <zEr0-x> I mean, thanks
[08:01] <zEr0-x> !info kbasic
[08:02] <zEr0-x> !apt
[08:02] <zEr0-x> !Adept
[08:02] <smAs> :)
[08:06] <HollowPoint> lmao @ <smAs> if you install ./package-name.bin you might run into trouble ... for advanced linux user no problem but for new user this might cause some problems ... zEr0-x I'm a sys admin and I still have trouble smAs lol
[08:07] <zEr0-x> HollowPoint » zEr0-x says: LOL
[08:18] <matt_> Hello everyone. I am not sure if I am using this correctly as it is my first time
[08:18] <matt_> I wanted to see if I could get some help using compiz on KDE
[08:21] <HollowPoint> matt you may be better off in #compiz-fusion but I can try to help
[08:21] <jussi01> matt_: type: /join #ccompiz-fusion
[08:22] <zEr0-x> are there some available themes for Kubuntu ? where can I find them ?
[08:23] <sonoftheclayr> zEr0-x: Are you running KDE 3 or 4?
[08:24] <HollowPoint> either way kde-look.org
[08:24] <HollowPoint> www.kde-look.org
[08:24] <HollowPoint> you'll find all sorts for both KDE3 and 4
[08:25] <zEr0-x> 7
[08:25] <zEr0-x> sorry
[08:25] <zEr0-x> 4*
[08:25] <zEr0-x> :)
[08:25] <HollowPoint> be careful playing with KDE4 but it is possible to modify it, just don't be surprised if some mods don;t work all that well, KDE4 is still young and raw
[08:26] <eagles0513875> morning
[08:28] <zEr0-x> ooh, now I remember KDE 4 is a Beta version
[08:28] <jussi01> yep - and to get help for it, #kubuntu-kde4 is the place :)
[08:29] <zEr0-x> Ooh-k
[08:30] <zEr0-x> is possible to instal beryl into Kubuntu ?
[08:32] <weedar> Does anyone know of a program to communicate with the serial port?
[08:33] <maggo79> weedar: minicom
[08:33] <weedar> maggo79: thank you :-)
[08:33] <zEr0-x> is possible to install ubuntu studio on Kubuntu ?
[08:34] <Exilant> zEr0-x: why do you want beryl and not compiz fusion?
[08:35] <eagles0513875> zEr0-x: compiz fusion is better then beryl
[08:35] <eagles0513875> im running compiz fusion and its got features of beryl mixed
[08:35] <eagles0513875> in
[08:35] <ProG> русские есть.
[08:35] <ProG> ?
[08:35] <ProG> hallo!
[08:36] <Exilant> !ru
[08:36] <Exilant> maybe that is the same language, no clue :)
[08:37] <zEr0-x> I said I wannted to install beryl 'cause is the onlyone program I saw, but now you tell me that exist another program... I'll try it (Sorry about my english, I'm not a native english speaker, and amateur too :) )
[08:37] <Exilant> regarding compiz-fusion, is there a way to play videos without flickering? (and without using awfully slow video outputs)?
[08:37] <HollowPoint> compiz-fusion IS beryll
[08:38] <HollowPoint> Exilant use VLC
[08:38] <Exilant> that flickers a lot
[08:38] <HollowPoint> sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:38] <HollowPoint> I get no flickering, what graphics card do you have?
[08:38] <Exilant> ati :(
[08:39] <HollowPoint> zEr0-x Beryll and Compiz projects merged last year I believe to create compiz-fusion
[08:39] <HollowPoint> Exilant yes but which model?
[08:39] <HollowPoint> ATi are fine, the drivers for Linux are much better now
[08:39] <HollowPoint> just depends on the model
[08:40] <Exilant> maybe
[08:41] <Exilant> i like compiz, it looks really wonderful, but no fast video, no googleearth, and the crashes, that is annoying
[08:41] <zEr0-x> mmm I'm having a little trouble
[08:41] <HollowPoint> I've got google earth, perfect video and no crashes, sounds to me like your graphics card is not good enough to handle compiz in a stable manner
[08:42] <HollowPoint> zEr0-x whats the trouble?
[08:42] <zEr0-x> I'm having trouble with the video driver
[08:42] <HollowPoint> what is your video card?
[08:42] <Exilant> Are you using an ati card, HollowPoint?
[08:42] <zEr0-x> I've installed Kubuntu as guest using Vbox
[08:43] <zEr0-x> and Kubuntu doesn't allows me to change the res to an upper than 800*600
[08:43] <zEr0-x> :(
[08:43] <HollowPoint> nope, I use an NVidia one on my Desktop machine and an Intel one on my laptop, I try to avoid ATi where possible, just purely because I prefer Nvidia
[08:43] <zEr0-x> I have tryed differents drivers
[08:44] <HollowPoint> you'll need to install the vbox linux additions zEr0-x
[08:44] <zEr0-x> I did!
[08:44] <HollowPoint> and they installed properly?
[08:44] <zEr0-x> sure
[08:44] <HollowPoint> they didn't error out?
[08:44] <zEr0-x> no
[08:44] <HollowPoint> how did you install them?
[08:45] <zEr0-x> using Vbox, I selected Install guest additions
[08:45] <zEr0-x> then
[08:45] <zEr0-x> appeared a window
[08:45] <Exilant> ok, seems to be a common problem on ati, the flickering
[08:45] <zEr0-x> with the installer
[08:45] <Exilant> at least judging from forum posts
[08:45] <zEr0-x> LinuxInstall or something like that
[08:45] <HollowPoint> all that did was download them zEr0-x there isn't an installer for Kubuntu as a guest to install the Linux Additions
[08:45] <HollowPoint> you have to do it from the command line
[08:46] <HollowPoint> doesn't surprise me Exilant, as I said ATi are fine now, just depends on the model and you have to be very specific with the drivers, with Nvidia there are 3 drivers I think, Legacy, recent and current, that's it and those drivers cover all models lol, with ATi you have to use a more specific driver for your chipset I beleive
[08:46] <zEr0-x> sure ?, but it seems to work perfect, cause I could mount the shared folder, And as I have understood (hasta donde tengo entendido) you cannot moount this shared folder without the linux guest addition
[08:48] <zEr0-x> the file is a .run file
[08:48] <Exilant> well, there is one proprietary and a lot of os drivers
[08:48] <HollowPoint> can you move your mouse in and out of the vm window without pressing the right hand ctrl key?
[08:49] <zEr0-x> I can move my mouse in and out of the vm window! without pressing the right hand ctrl key!
[08:51] <zEr0-x> so...
[08:53] <zEr0-x> what should I do HollowPoint... The last driver I installed messed my system up
[08:53] <HollowPoint> sorry was just setting up my kdm theme
[08:54] <zEr0-x> ok
[08:54] <HollowPoint> well by default installing the linux additions installs the appropriate driver for the vm graphics card, I would suggest simply running the following command in the vm after running the linux additions and without changing anything, including drivers :
[08:55] <HollowPoint> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, this should configure a basic default xorg.conf which should provided the right driver is installed set the appropriate resolutions available
[08:56] <zEr0-x> ok
[08:56] <zEr0-x> I'll try, and b right back in 5' :)
[08:56] <zEr0-x> oh another thing that nobody answered me
[08:57] <zEr0-x> can i install Ubuntu Studio in Kubuntu ?
[09:04] <HollowPoint> no idea zWe0-x not sure what Ubuntu Studio is, never used it
[09:06] <zEr0-x> ok
[09:09] <[zEr0-x]> for downloading compiz fuzion, what distro of linux source must I download? (ubuntu) ?
[09:12] <HollowPoint> you're not planning on using compiz-fusion in the vm are you?
[09:12]  * ActionParsnip hopes they arent using it full stop
[09:14] <[zEr0-x]> for sure!
[09:14] <[zEr0-x]> :)
[09:14] <[zEr0-x]> why not ?
[09:14] <HollowPoint> lol I'm doubting heavily that will work
[09:15] <HollowPoint> compiz requires a fair bit of juice
[09:15] <[zEr0-x]> do you speak spanish ?
[09:15] <HollowPoint> lol @ ActionParsnip Compiz is ok in small doses
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> i think its a waste of time. it appears to pull eyecandyenthusiasts over but I ended up never using its "features" and the anims grew old
[09:16] <HollowPoint> not enough to have a proper conversation zEr0-x
[09:16] <[zEr0-x]> ok, I'll try to tell you a good phrase in english
[09:16]  * ActionParsnip watches
[09:17] <HollowPoint> ActionParsnip, I use the minimize, close and open effect of vaccuum and genie and then I use the desktop cube for functionallity, oh and I like the truglass theme of emerald lol
[09:17] <HollowPoint> other than that it's fine
[09:17] <[zEr0-x]> There aren't impossible things, "else" unable mans
[09:18] <HollowPoint> huh/
[09:18] <HollowPoint> ?
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: i just like a no nonesense desktop, hence fluxbox. I tried compiz and it just grated, kinda slowed me down
[09:19] <HollowPoint> lol fair enoguh
[09:20] <HollowPoint> I just fell in love with the desktop cube, allows me to do so much when I'm in full flow at work
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: I just right click decorator, move to desktop x
[09:21] <HollowPoint> I have a production machine that runs Kubuntu 8.04 with Compiz running, Virtualbox NON-FREE and a Windows XP installation, the desktop cube allows me to run the VM in full screen mode, while also being able to flip the cube around and use a dual screen Linux environment and then flick back to windows and if needed I can have Linux and Windows on a screen each
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> then shortcut keys to flip to that desktop, instant change over
[09:21] <HollowPoint> yeah but I never liked the multiple desktops feature, I run one desktop on multiple faces, just works better for me, personal preference lol
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: yeah ive seen some devs with that, this mac guy thought he was awesome, so i pulled out my lappy and did the same
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: indeed :)
[09:25] <[zEr0-x]> Does (Do-I don't know what can I use in this sentence, Do or Does, pleaze tell me)..,. Does anybody know where can I download Leopard 10 ?
[09:25] <HollowPoint> lol yeah at work most of the guys are windows engineers, I'm a Linux and Networking (Cisco mostly) specialist, they all diss linux all the time and think Mac is better etc, I got my laptop out and waited for them to real off all the shit a Mac could do and I said, "Take alook here" I enabled fire on screen etc etc the full works, everyone kinda shut up after that
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> [zEr0-x]: does is correct
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> does anyone, aimed at a wide audience. Do you, aimed at an individual
[09:26] <[zEr0-x]> ok
[09:26] <[zEr0-x]> thanks you pal
[09:26] <[zEr0-x]> so
[09:26] <[zEr0-x]> does anybody know ?:D
[09:26] <sonoftheclayr> How do I disable CPU scaling from the command line?
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> [zEr0-x]: ww.apple.com when you buy it
[09:27] <flaccid_> -www
[09:27] <[zEr0-x]> :) tnx
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> sonoftheclayr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87415
[09:27] <jorgesandra_> hello kubuntu usersççç11
[09:28] <bentob0x> how can I find all the files modified 20 minutes ago everywhere on my machine?
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> http://commandline.org.uk/python/2008/may/22/list-files-recursively-modified-time/
[09:29] <flaccid_> you might be able to do it with strigi as well sorting by modified time
[09:30] <flaccid_> would take a while on non-indexed
[09:30] <lsemple> how do I enable oss sound instead of alsa ?
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> lsemple: no idea man, i always use alsa
[09:31] <lsemple> alsa doesnt support the new X FI extreme card
[09:32] <lsemple> probably wont be very long
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> lsemple: explains, I use onboard realtek thingys
[09:33] <lsemple> also:
[09:33] <lsemple> whenever I reboot I have to edit the grub config and change (hd2,0) to (hd0,0) how can I make that permanent
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> lsemple: are you editing with kdesu kate / sudo nano ?
[09:34] <lsemple> yes
[09:34] <lsemple> er
[09:34] <lsemple> no
[09:34] <lsemple> I figured it out
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> lsemple: if you use sudo kate, I WILL send my flying monkeys to get you
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> hmmm
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> can you use kdesu / gksudo for cli commands?
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> and not screw stuff up
[09:37] <rohan> anyone having this problem after yesterdays firefox update to 3rc1? http://i26.tinypic.com/m8i3is.jpg
[09:37] <bentob0x> thx ActionParsnip
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> rohan: its still beta and not supported afaik
[09:38] <rohan> ActionParsnip: so? ff3beta5 did not have this problem
[09:38] <lalo_> HOLA
[09:38] <lalo_> ALGUIEN DE MÉXICO??
[09:38] <smAs> same here rohan
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> rohan: still beta software and is for testing only
[09:38] <[zEr0-x]> HollowPoint, I did what you told me "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" but non "higher" res. appeared
[09:39] <[zEr0-x]> quieres a alguien que hable español rohan ¿
[09:39] <lalo_> SIMÓN...
[09:39] <smAs> 3.0~rc2-1
[09:39] <lalo_> TENGO UN PROBLEMA CON EL AMAROK...
[09:39] <lalo_> COMO MADRE INSTALO LOS PLUGINS DE MP3??
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> rohan: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0rc2/releasenotes/ 3rd line down
[09:40] <rohan> ActionParsnip: it is included in the official repo!
[09:40] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[09:40] <rohan> ActionParsnip: it's not as if i'm beta testing it
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> rohan: read the firefox website
[09:40] <SlimeyPete> !portuguese
[09:40] <rohan> ActionParsnip: are you actually trying to make a point, or just acting like a dick?
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> rohan: as it is for testing purposes a whole bunch of stuff can go awry
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> rohan: im stating that its not supportable as its not official release
[09:41] <[zEr0-x]> HollowPoint, are you there ?
[09:41] <rohan> ActionParsnip: you still don't get my point. it is included in the official repo.
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> rohan: anyone who manages a repo could put any software they want on their repo, doesnt mean its supported and even the developers say its for testing only
[09:42] <rohan> if other people are experiencing the bug, i'll go file it.
[09:42] <Pennycook> rohan: Have you tried altering the colours of your KDE3 theme?
[09:42] <rohan> ActionParsnip: so if you're experiencing it, tell me.
[09:42] <rohan> ActionParsnip: otherwise, i KNOW VERY WELL that it's a beta
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> rohan: im on 2.x.x and its fine
[09:42] <smAs> rohan: it is still in testing so not everything might work as you like it ...
[09:42] <rohan> ActionParsnip: or rc.
[09:42] <rohan> smAs: i _know_
[09:42] <rohan> Pennycook: hang on, i'll try
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> rohan: so its not supported in the official channel as ts not an official release
[09:43] <smAs> so whats your point rohan
[09:43] <rohan> ActionParsnip: i thought you were done?
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> rohan: im done now
[09:43] <smAs> live with it or downgrade rohan
[09:43] <rohan> smAs: never mind my point.
[09:43] <rohan> so, is anyone experiencing that problem, or not?
[09:43] <BlueDevil> does kubuntu 8.04 use pulseaudio by default?
[09:43] <rohan> smAs: i don't need a lecture on how it is beta or no, i know it. if it is a bug, i'll go file it in launchpad. get my point now?
[09:44] <smAs> yes same here and i am on  3.0~rc2-1
[09:44] <Pennycook> rohan: On my KDE3 box it's definitely hard to read (but you can read it on mouseover).  It looks to me like more of a KDE3 integration issue than anything else; on KDE4 it's a different grey.
[09:44] <cpk1> lalo_: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:44] <rohan> Pennycook: ah ok
[09:44] <rohan> Pennycook: yes, i can read it on mouseover
[09:44] <grub> rohan, here
[09:44] <smAs> sorry i wrote you minutes ago that it is the same problem here ...
[09:45] <Pennycook> Although I think i may only be on rc1.
[09:45] <rohan> smAs: you're using packages from -proposed?
[09:45] <smAs> no i am not using *ubuntu
[09:45] <rohan> smAs: ouch, i'm sorry, i did not notice your messsage. apologies
[09:46] <cpk1> BlueDevil: I dont think so
[09:46] <smAs> no worrys ... they will fix it soon just wait a couple of days rohan
[09:46] <cpk1> BlueDevil: or at least kde4 doesnt
[09:46] <rohan> smAs: ok, that bug is filed?
[09:46] <BlueDevil> cpk1: thanks
[09:46] <rohan> smAs: and, how did you get rc2? the repo just has rc1
[09:46] <rohan> Pennycook: you think it's been solved with rc2?
[09:47] <HollowPoint> Sorry guys but am moving tomorrow so got to get arse in gear, is 8:45pm here now and need to go to bed as we're up at 5am to go get a big 4 tonne truck, laters all
[09:47] <smAs_> rohan: i am on my debian/sid box
[09:47] <rohan> smAs_: oh, i thought you're using kubuntu
[09:48] <rohan> smAs_: or, you experience that problem on debian also?
[09:48] <smAs_> [15:45:15] ( smAs) no i am not using *ubuntu
[09:48] <rohan> smAs_: ahok.
[09:48] <rohan> Pennycook: would you know whether a bug has been filed?
[09:49] <Pennycook> rohan: Nope.  Did changing your colours not do anything for you, then?
[09:49] <[zEr0-x]> what program can I use for programming in VB code whithin Kubuntu ? apps like mono or kbasic ?
[09:49] <stefan-f> Hello all :)
[09:49] <rohan> Pennycook: i've not tried it, but this happens on the default color scheme. should i file a bug
[09:49] <rohan> ?
[09:49] <[zEr0-x]> hello stefan-f
[09:49] <smAs_> rohan: i have the same problem but i don't think it is a bug ... as soon as you hover over the link it will get black ...
[09:49] <stefan-f> Im looking for network measurement per protocol- basis. Can someone recommend something?
[09:50] <Pennycook> rohan: I suppose you could file it as a suggestion of some description, but it's not really a bug.
[09:50] <smAs_> rohan: feel free to report it as a bug if you feel like it
[09:50] <[zEr0-x]> smAs_: do you know about any GUI for program in VB language ? for Kubuntu obvious :)
[09:50] <rohan> Pennycook: yes, changing the color scheme helps
[09:51] <rohan> Pennycook: thanks, but i'm still wondering why it did not happen with 3beta5
[09:52] <smAs_> [zEr0-x]: what program are you looking for
[09:52] <rohan> [zEr0-x]: gambas
[09:53] <eagles0513875> !info gambas
[09:53] <[zEr0-x]> gambas ?
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
[09:54] <[zEr0-x]> I'm getting in there
[09:54] <smAs_> http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
[09:54] <smAs_> :)
[09:54] <smAs_> "GOOGLE" is a search engine that comes in handy when you are looking for answers :) --- or is is your google-button broken? ---:: use your own browser ::---
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> ask.com is good too
[09:55] <giovanni_h> hi guys
[09:55] <giovanni_h> how do you unpack an rpm in the current directory?
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> !hi | giovanni_h
[09:56] <rohan> giovanni_h: hang on.
[09:57] <smAs_> giovanni_h: rpm2cpio i think
[09:57] <[zEr0-x]> giovanny_h, we all are find, thanks
[09:57] <[zEr0-x]> :D
[09:58] <[zEr0-x]> is there a program maybe equals to VB-X-press 2008 ?
[09:58] <giovanni_h> sorry [zEr0-x]?
[09:58] <rohan> giovanni_h: use this script -- http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/rpmextract/repos/extra-i686/rpmextract.sh?revision=1
[09:58] <smAs_> giovanni_h: rpm2cpio <rpm> | cpio -id
[09:58] <giovanni_h> is it so difficult rohan?
[09:59] <moope1> thunderbird version 2.0.0.12 (20080227) is not displaying the body of my emails. Im using it with IMAP
[09:59] <moope1> any ideas?
[09:59] <rohan> giovanni_h: well, you can try out smAs_ trick too :)
[09:59] <lsemple> !mplayer
[09:59] <lsemple> !codecs
[09:59] <rohan> giovanni_h: only, that script makes it simple
[09:59] <rohan> lsemple: please play with the bot in pm, not in the channel
[10:00] <giovanni_h> rohan: thanks, it worked
[10:00] <rohan> giovanni_h: rpm2cpio <rpm> | cpio -id --> that worked?
[10:03] <akthon> Hola buenos dias
[10:03] <smAs_> !sp
[10:03] <smAs_> !es
[10:06] <kapiton> hi all
[10:09] <kapiton> help me pleace, i cant compile from src: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[10:09] <kapiton> what does it mean?
[10:12] <smAs_> kapiton: dpkg -l | grep gcc
[10:12]  * SaraSmith smiles
[10:13] <SaraSmith> before i went to bed we were working on my husband's computer (gutsy) which seemed to have no internet connection and video problems
[10:14] <jcfp> !compiling | kapiton
[10:14] <SaraSmith> he moved the drive back to his old box.. the same error followed/
[10:18] <[zEr0-x]> difference trough ext2 and ext3?
[10:19] <barako> does anybody here uses codeblocks 8.02 on ubuntu 7.01?
[10:20] <StuckWithLinux> #
[10:20] <barako> if anyone does, pls msg. i really need help.
[10:26] <nowhere> hi folks
[10:26] <nowhere> I'm looking for a decent GUI frontend for fish:// urls
[10:26] <nowhere> dolphin just doesn't cut it at all
[10:26] <[zEr0-x]> mozilla maybe can help you ou
[10:26] <[zEr0-x]> out*
[10:27] <nowhere> fish:// is scp
[10:27] <nowhere> I doubt firefox does that
[10:27] <dbglt> nowhere: doesn't konqueror handle it?
[10:27] <engineer> konqueror
[10:27] <dbglt> quite well, last I used it
[10:27] <nowhere> konqueror asks for the password twice, and if I create a desktop url icon for the user, dolphin will open it, not konqueror
[10:28] <nowhere> dolphin throws funny errors if you move the mouse over html files
[10:28] <nowhere> I'd settle for a tool with an ftp-like interface
[10:29] <nowhere> the user is used to winscp
[10:32] <Pennycook> nowhere: You could set up Konqueror as the default handler for all directories (to get around the fish:// on shortcuts thing), and if you used a public and private key pair you wouldn't need to authenticate at all.
[10:32] <nowhere> Pennycook: that's not an option offered for the server the user needs to connect to
[10:32] <nowhere> Pennycook: pubkey auth, that is
[10:33] <Pennycook> nowhere: Definitely?  I thought it was enabled most places.
[10:33] <nowhere> Pennycook: our university web server doesn't seem to use it
[10:34] <nowhere> but I can check
[10:34] <Pennycook> If you're connecting over SSH I would have thought they'd let you.  Just pop your public key in ~.ssh/authorized_keys.
[10:35] <nowhere> Pennycook: I think it's disabled in the sshd_config
[10:37] <Pennycook> Ah, that sucks.  I can't think of anything else.  Sorry.
[10:38] <nowhere> Pennycook: ah, never mind, it's the braindead local setup
[10:38] <nowhere> Pennycook: I don't see any good reason to not allow pubkey auth either
[10:38] <Pennycook> If I were you I'd ask your university about it.
[10:38] <genus-8> hi
[10:38] <genus-8> help me
[10:39] <nowhere> Pennycook: how'd I get konqueror to handle directories instead of dolphin?
[10:39] <[zEr0-x]> ok dudes, I'm leaving, thanks for your help and interest!
[10:40] <Pennycook> nowhere: If you run kcontrol there's a "File Associations" section.  Under "inode", there's options for directory and mount-point; just increase the priority for Konqueror.
[10:40] <nowhere> genus-8: I think the mind readers are on vacation
[10:42] <genus-8> what console (terminal) commands i need to install mp3 support in my kubuntu 8.04
[10:42] <genus-8> ?
[10:45] <nowhere> genus-8: er, depends on the app
[10:45] <nowhere> genus-8: but usually you just need to install libmad
[10:46] <genus-8> give me terminal command for it
[10:46] <genus-8> please
[10:46] <genus-8> how an i install it?
[10:46] <genus-8> can*
[10:47] <makdaknife> genus-8: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[10:47] <genus-8> thanks
[10:47] <lalo_> cual es el link de kubuntu-es???
[10:47] <genus-8> f*ck
[10:47] <lalo_> canal irc de kubuntu-es???
[10:47] <genus-8> my konqueror does not work on dialup
[10:48] <makdaknife> genus-8: aptitude update; aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:49] <genus-8> makdknife -> okay thanks
[10:50] <lalo_> canal irc de kubuntu-es? alguien que me lo proporcione.-.......
[10:50] <nowhere> !es
[11:12] <ubuntu_> omg...i really need some help
[11:12] <jussi01> ubuntu_: ask!
[11:13] <ubuntu_> soz
[11:13] <ubuntu_> umm
[11:13] <ubuntu_> i was forced to uninstall kubuntu by my school
[11:13] <ubuntu_> they did it for me through windows disc manager
[11:13] <Pennycook> ...Forced?
[11:13] <ubuntu_> they just formated it
[11:13] <ubuntu_> yeh..
[11:13] <ubuntu_> they formatted it
[11:14] <ubuntu_> and im getting the grub error 17
[11:14] <Pennycook> Did you install  it on one of their computers or something?
[11:14] <ubuntu_> i cant fix the mbr cos they wont tell me the admin password
[11:14] <ubuntu_> can i do this through ubuntu?
[11:14] <ubuntu_> no
[11:14] <ubuntu_> its on my laptop
[11:14] <jussi01> !enter | ubuntu_
[11:15] <ubuntu_> huh..??
[11:15] <ubuntu_> oh...soz
[11:16] <ubuntu_> well, wat should i do, i have found some pages on how to fix this through  alive disc as i am on now, but im not sure whether it will work, so i wanted someones opinion first
[11:16] <dolf> does anybody know how i can create an irc-channel with bot
[11:16] <dolf> ?
[11:16] <rascal999> how do I get sound only coming out of headphones?
[11:16] <ubuntu_> hello...this is a serious problem
[11:16] <ubuntu_> i have exams
[11:17] <dolf> put you're box's off?
[11:17] <ubuntu_> omg...im so stressed..
[11:17] <dolf> maybe you can mute youre box with kmix?
[11:18] <ubuntu_> who are u talking to??
[11:18] <dolf> you :)
[11:18] <ubuntu_> oh
[11:18] <ubuntu_> rite..
[11:18] <rascal999> oh thanks dude
[11:19] <dolf> worked it?
[11:19] <ubuntu_> wat..wats happening....wtf!
[11:19] <ubuntu_> ure talking to me?? or rascal..
[11:19] <ubuntu_> omg omg omg...
[11:19] <ubuntu_> i found this page
[11:19] <ubuntu_> http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=3340
[11:19] <ubuntu_> will this work
[11:19] <ubuntu_> oh im soo stuffed...
[11:20] <Pennycook> ubuntu_: Please stop pressing enter at the end of your sentences.
[11:20] <jussi01> dolf: go and read freenodes web page for the irc channel creation, as for bots, have a look into supybot
[11:20] <dolf> thx
[11:20] <jussi01> !info supybot | dolf
[11:20] <ubuntu_> sorry...im just soo stressed and i really need an answer
[11:21] <dolf> @ ubuntu normal should work that
[11:21] <renato__> hi if I connect to a website like ftp://seiteurl.com  what port will I need to enable? at the moment I can access ftp://mysite.com from within the network, but not outside the NAT which leads me to believe I will need to do port redirection
[11:21] <ubuntu_> wats normal?
[11:21] <renato__> I ment  I can access ftp://mysite.com from within the network
[11:21] <renato__> I ment  I can access ftp://siteurl.com from within the network
[11:21] <dolf> @renato is it for ftp then you have to open youre port 22 i think :)
[11:22] <wthoang> changed my name.
[11:22] <dolf> for you're website port 80
[11:22] <djtm_> does someone know an acpi irc channel?
[11:22] <renato__> I can access www.mysite.com, but not ftp://mysite.com
[11:22] <renato__> from the internet, I can from the local network
[11:23] <renato__> I can from the local network but not from the internet
[11:23] <dolf> i don't know how you set you''re ftp-port it is port 21 or 22 default
[11:23] <maggo79> ssh: 22; ftp: 21; http: 80
[11:23] <wthoang> is there a way to fix my windows mbr through command on this live disc??? grub error 17????
[11:24] <renato__> I can  access ftp.mysite.com, what I cannot access is ftp://www.mysite.com
[11:25] <dolf> renato you connect with an ftp-client or not?
[11:25] <dolf> and did you already open the port?
[11:26] <renato__> yes I can
[11:28] <jcfp> wthoang: that arsgeek site solution seems quite reasonable (except that package ms-sys doesn't exist anymore on hardy)
[11:29] <wthoang> omg...
[11:30] <wthoang> so i guess i'll ask again...is there a way to fix my windows mbr through command on this live disc??? grub error 17????
[11:30] <Pennycook> !patience | wthoang
[11:30] <jcfp> wthoang: on gutsy or earlier you should be fine
[11:30] <wthoang> sorry...sorry...just stressed...i need this laptop for my exam studies
[11:31] <Pennycook> wthoang: If you do follow those instructions, though, I recommend reading the comments first.  Some people have said to use /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 since the latter would actually wipe your drive.  Heed his warning, too; it might screw things up.
[11:32] <wthoang> k..
[11:33] <tekgeeklt> man I would never let anyone touch my computer ... having the school format my computer ... i would have been pissed and taken to whom ever is in charge
[11:33] <Pennycook> Yeah.  wthoang: If it's not a laptop you're borrowing from them (ie, it is your own and purchased with your own money) I'd recommend doing something about it.  They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
[11:34] <wthoang> yeh i dunno...i have bought it is mine. but its school policy to have one, its not like im the only one who has it
[11:34] <wthoang> they sed because they dont like their proxy pak being used on anything other than internet explorer
[11:35] <wthoang> and theres this whole school lockdown for the network and stuff, its all getting snappy at out school, the it guys are real tight about it
[11:36] <wthoang> is there a way for me to reset the admin password for windows other than herins?
[11:36] <tekgeeklt> haha thats funny .... you could just let them know that is the worst program ever to use to get on the internet ... and I would be supprised if they dont have a million virii
[11:36] <wthoang> wat herins?
[11:36] <jcfp> wthoang: another option to fix your problem would be to reinstall kubuntu ;)
[11:37] <wthoang> if i did this, then grub will find the partition again. cos wat they have done is mounted the partition into an empty folder in the c drive
[11:38] <wthoang> cos if i did, i still have teh problem of having kubuntu on my comp
[11:38] <tekgeeklt> well it looks like he doesn't have the option to use kubuntu
[11:39] <tekgeeklt> I did find a page that someone else was having that error but you may have already looked at it  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945
[11:39] <wthoang> well w8, if i do reinstall kubuntu, will grub find it and i can pick to go into windows again? and then from there, can i remove kubuntu without this problem again?
[11:40] <_Angelus_> re-installing kubuntu to remove kubuntu is not a sane choice
[11:40] <RiotingPacifist> should i use envy or the defeault fglrx for an ati card?
[11:40] <_Angelus_> format you're pc with windows and grub and kubuntu will desapear
[11:40] <wthoang> well...i need to bakup my stuff, and i have exams so i really cant afford to do that
[11:40] <tekgeeklt> what version of windows are you using?  cause I have found that if you are using windows vista you can not use linux to resize the partions or it will wack the windows partions ..
[11:41] <wthoang> xp
[11:41] <tekgeeklt> k
[11:41] <wthoang> _Angelus_: but is it possible
[11:42] <_Angelus_> possible... like droping a nuclear bomb you're computer
[11:42] <_Angelus_> ;p
[11:42] <jcfp> entirely possible - just a bit overkill
[11:42] <RiotingPacifist> tekgeeklt: mine left vista there just i cant boot to it :(
[11:42] <wthoang> but do i have another choice? i need to get rid of this error at any cost
[11:43] <RiotingPacifist> wthoang: whats the error?
[11:43] <wthoang> i formatted my kubuntu partition through windows disc manager, now i receive the grub 17 error
[11:43] <wthoang> windows is there...
[11:44] <_Angelus_> wthoang: do you want to keep kubuntu or not? if you don't want to keep it, just format with windows , if you want to keep it, i duno
[11:44] <wthoang> want to keep windows
[11:44] <wthoang> not kubuntu, not allowed kubuntu
[11:45] <_Angelus_> then
[11:45] <_Angelus_> just format with windows
[11:45] <tekgeeklt> I just got kubuntu installed here and one thing I found that I can not do is resize any window ... it shows the little arrows to allow me to resize but it does not do anything ...is there something i have to do to set that up ?
[11:45] <_Angelus_> kubuntu and grub will both be wiped out
[11:45] <_Angelus_> xD
[11:45] <RiotingPacifist> ahh well in that case the safest way to do things is to stick a widnows disk in and get it to repair the MBR then format what was kubuntu to a new partition
[11:45] <wthoang> well thats the problem...i have...grub doesnt get wiped
[11:45] <wthoang> well i dont noe the admin password, i have already tried this
[11:45] <tekgeeklt> wthoang: you may be able to pop the windows cd in the drive and do a repair option that may fix the issue
[11:46] <_Angelus_> wthoang: booth into the windows xp disc, press R for recovery console, then type in these 2 commands, fixmbr and fixboot
[11:46] <_Angelus_> that will get rid of grub
[11:46] <wthoang> yeh...as sed above..i dont noe the admin password..i coulda sworn that this was my account but the school image cleary doesnt allow this
[11:46] <tekgeeklt> actually yes that will work  using the fixmbr option ... grub basically just replaces the windows boot manager
[11:46] <wthoang> i cant do anything until i noe the admin password
[11:47] <_Angelus_> well
[11:47] <tekgeeklt> if you have the cd you don't need a password
[11:47] <_Angelus_> you said it, you CAN't , do anything ,,
[11:47] <_Angelus_> tekgeeklt: no, recovery console asks for the windows password
[11:47] <tekgeeklt> hrmm
[11:47] <wthoang> ya
[11:47] <wthoang> how can i reset it
[11:48] <wthoang> i noe hirens can...
[11:48] <wthoang> but 100mb doesnt suit my bandwidth
[11:48] <_Angelus_> you need to be secret mad scientists member and hack XP with bizare cracking equipment
[11:48] <_Angelus_> xD
[11:49] <wthoang> so theres no commands that can do this with kubuntu?...oh man..
[11:50] <flaccid_> was i spamming this channel just before at all? had a connection issue..
[11:50] <tekgeeklt> can you hit f8 and get into the safe mode for the computer?
[11:51] <jcfp> flaccid_: nope
[11:51] <wthoang> havent tried...
[11:51] <flaccid_> jcfp, thanks !
[11:51] <wthoang> but if i do try then i have to leave this live disc and start it up if it doesnt
[11:51] <wthoang> but will that work
[11:51] <tekgeeklt> this page says he forgets the password he just goes into safe mode and logs in and changes the pass
[11:51] <tekgeeklt> http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/forum/other-operating-systems/21512-crack-administrator-password.html
[11:51]  * flaccid_ laughs
[11:52] <wthoang> is this the same page that goes into bios and boot modes?
[11:52] <tekgeeklt> right after the bios screen you hit f8 but then you may not even get that far cause of the error
[11:52] <flaccid_> i just got here, can i ask the problem or should i not ask :)
[11:53] <wthoang> lol..that page just tells u how to find my password...but inorder to that u have to log into the admin account??
[11:53] <tekgeeklt> you may just have to talk to someone there and tell them .. you screwed up my computer and you have to give me the admin pass so I can fix it
[11:53] <tekgeeklt> log into the admin account via the safe mode
[11:53] <flaccid_> oh physical limitation
[11:53] <flaccid_> windows?
[11:54] <tekgeeklt> which you sometimes can do with no password .. I would try all different things
[11:54] <flaccid_> yeah that got taken out SP1+
[11:54] <tekgeeklt> all anyone here is going to tell you is what you can find on any search engine unless someone here has actually gone through the exact issue
[11:54] <wthoang> but i noe the admin password isnt nothing
[11:54] <wthoang> theres some letter
[11:54] <wthoang> i dunno..
[11:54] <tekgeeklt> just try everything you can before you say you can't do anything
[11:54]  * flaccid_ didn't know this was a windows cracking chan
[11:55] <flaccid_> even ##windows probably won't help there :p
[11:55] <tekgeeklt> no its not a windows cracking channel  the guy's school deleted ubuntu and screwed up his boot loader and he can't get back into his computer
[11:56] <flaccid_> !fixboot
[11:56] <flaccid_> !grubfix
[11:56] <flaccid_> !fixgrub
[11:56] <wthoang> its the mbr...i need to load the fixmbr through an alternate route to windows recovery mode from the disc
[11:56] <flaccid_> there it is. there can only be one MBR on the disk. so usually thats either windows MBR or Grub or Lilo etc. so as a rule of thumb, you install Linux last to get the bootloader and not Windows MBR. so follow the guide to restore grub..
[11:57] <sonoftheclayr> I had this problem a while ago...there is a program in the repos that will fix it
[11:57] <flaccid_> wthoang, fixmbr will restore the windows mbr and thus no dual boot
[11:57] <wthoang> yes..i dont want dual boot, i just want xp
[11:57] <makdaknife> if you need to reset a windows admin password... use a boot disk like: http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html
[11:57] <flaccid_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows is what fixes it.
[11:57] <makdaknife> I've used it and it works great
[11:57] <sonoftheclayr> Wait. Are you trying to install the windows mbr or dual boot with grub?
[11:57] <flaccid_> wthoang, goto ##windows for that (ie. fixboot and fixmbr from recovery console) or install grub
[11:57] <makdaknife> you won't crack the password... just reset
[11:58] <tekgeeklt> you know there is one other thing you can try but it takes some work...  look up windows live cd in google you will find a live cd with options to fix windows
[11:58] <sigma_12> whats a good text to speech program?
[11:58] <sonoftheclayr> wthoang: Are you trying to reinstall the windows mbr?
[11:58] <makdaknife> sigma_12: festival works
[11:58] <wthoang> sonoftheclayr: yess
[11:59] <flaccid_> wthoang, i just gave the info for that :)
[11:59] <sonoftheclayr> wthoang: Do you have an ubuntu live cd?
[11:59] <flaccid_> ubuntu livecd cannot restore a windows MBR
[12:00] <sonoftheclayr> flaccid_: Yes it can. You just have to install something from the repos. I did it last week.
[12:00] <flaccid_> sonoftheclayr, no worries, what do you install?
[12:00] <flaccid_> still this question is for ##windows , not here..
[12:01] <flaccid_> !info mbr
[12:01] <flaccid_> sonoftheclayr, that ?
[12:01] <flaccid_> its optional :)
[12:01] <wthoang> that'll work??
[12:01] <sonoftheclayr> flaccid_: I don't think it was that. It was on Arsgeek if that helps. My e key isn't going to work so I can't google it
[12:01] <wthoang> i'll give it a go
[12:02] <flaccid_> what is Arsgeek ?
[12:02] <wthoang> yes..i had the ars geek page but the thing is that i dont wanna touch it...im not that good with linux
[12:02] <flaccid_> wthoang, dude just goto recovery console and run fixmbr and fixboot , done
[12:02] <flaccid_> you do have a legit copy of windows?
[12:02] <wthoang> yes of course
[12:02] <flaccid_> then do that
[12:02] <flaccid_> end of story :)
[12:02] <wthoang> the problem is that i dont noe the admin password
[12:02] <flaccid_> not our problem..
[12:03] <wthoang> i cant get past that point if i did, then itd be simple
[12:03] <wthoang> well now im looking for an alternate way
[12:03] <flaccid_> can't help you, goto ##windows
[12:03] <sonoftheclayr> wthoang: You can crack that as well. There are boot disks on the internet that will reset the admin password.
[12:03] <flaccid_> we don't help cracking here
[12:03] <wthoang> i dont want cracking...there must be someway without cracking to do this
[12:03] <flaccid_> maybe there is
[12:04] <Pennycook> wthoang: Why don't you know the admin password?
[12:04] <wthoang> !info mbr
[12:04] <flaccid_> but we don't support Windows here sorry
[12:04] <sonoftheclayr> wthoang: I don't see a problem. It's your computer and it's your password. All it does is remove it
[12:04] <BlueDevil> how can i apply my user styles (theme, fonts, etc) to programs running as root (synaptic for example) ?
[12:04] <wthoang> cos its a school image put onto the laptop
[12:04] <Pennycook> wthoang: Then ask them.
[12:04] <wthoang> with all this software and stuff
[12:04] <wthoang> i have exams tomoz and im at home
[12:04] <flaccid_> BlueDevil, it would have to be under root's profile, so although its not good to login as root, if you really need it then login as root and change appearance
[12:04] <flaccid_> wthoang, not our problem sorry
[12:05] <wthoang> relating to that !info mbr is that the normal windows mbr or the grub one?
[12:05] <BlueDevil> flaccid_: thanks
[12:05] <flaccid_> np
[12:05] <Nyad> Hi. I have a program (fasm) that I would like to make directly accessible from the command-line without having to go to fasm's directory. How do I do this?>
[12:05] <flaccid_> wthoang, not sure, its just what i found with a search
[12:05] <Pennycook> BlueDevil: Alternatively, running systemsettings as root might have the same effect.
[12:05] <RiotingPacifist> should i use envy or the default fglrx for an ati card?
[12:05] <flaccid_> !permissons | Nyad
[12:06] <flaccid_> !perms | Nyad
[12:06] <flaccid_> hmm
[12:06] <Nyad> how is this about permission?
[12:06] <flaccid_> RiotingPacifist, no Hardware Drivers Manager
[12:06] <flaccid_> !permissions | Nyad
[12:07] <Nyad> tnx
[12:07] <flaccid_> !ati | RiotingPacifist
[12:07] <flaccid_> np
[12:08] <RiotingPacifist> flaccid_:  ive been using that but its unstable and its just a frontend to install default anyway
[12:08] <flaccid_> RiotingPacifist, not correct. it installs the exact drivers you get from ATI's website. so your problem is probably something more specific..
[12:09] <flaccid_> can you explain the actual problem?
[12:09] <RiotingPacifist> fullscreen rendering of flash either with/without compiz is choppy, and my system randomly crashes badly, X freezes and all VTTs are messed up
[12:10] <flaccid_> and you just assume its the driver?
[12:11] <flaccid_> well how you install the driver is irrelevent...
[12:11] <wthoang> ive been told to do the following check your grub.conf from a live cd environment. mount your partitions and modify your grub.conf so it works
[12:11] <flaccid_> configuration is a different story. RiotingPacifist which version of Kubuntu and please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:11] <jtisme> sound/video all work cannot play streaming radio over internet searched all over for answers anyone have any ideas
[12:11] <flaccid_> wthoang, grub can't even access your windows partition. so no.
[12:12] <wthoang> k
[12:12] <jtisme> tried everything using amarok
[12:12] <RiotingPacifist> wthoang: its called /boot/grub/menu.lst in ubuntu
[12:12] <flaccid_> wthoang, we have already advised what is needed :)
[12:12] <RiotingPacifist> oh right nvm
[12:12] <BlueDevil> Pennycook: i tried that, didn't work
[12:12] <wthoang> yeh ok..
[12:12] <flaccid_> RiotingPacifist, i run ATI so it concerns me that you have unknown problems...
[12:13] <kg4rxs> how do i remove a reposatory but unable to acssis the list
[12:13] <flaccid_> kg4rxs, adept manager
[12:14] <RiotingPacifist> well im going to reboot to envy, even though it shouldnt make a difference, but i insrtalled it last nite, then ill hopefully be back, appologies for ignoring advice but its early and im too lazy to revert the change, either way its the same driver right
[12:15] <flaccid_> i usually like to find the problem and fix it, but a lot of people like to play around and reboot 10 times :)
[12:15] <flaccid_> i mean driver != configuration
[12:16] <sharpe_uk> >jtisme, have you added medibuntu to packages list?
[12:17] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, yes and followed the community write up on sound and video
[12:17] <sharpe_uk> most streams are mp3, check you have libxine1-ffmpeg installed
[12:18] <flaccid_> is w32codecs installed from medibuntu..
[12:18] <steve__> exit
[12:18] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, ok let me check I am sure i do have to crank up the machine i am testing audio on brb
[12:22] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, yes libxine-ffmpeg is installed
[12:22] <sharpe_uk> is amarok-xine installed?
[12:22] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, when i try to play streaming radio in amarok it puts up a msg 'no suitable demux' available
[12:23] <kg4rxs> coud not remove
[12:23] <kg4rxs>  Type 'http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg' is not known on line 58 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <kg4rxs> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:23] <flaccid_> jtisme, that is a known bug with shoutcast server, can't do anything. but you can click on the stream until it loads...
[12:23] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, yes it is installed
[12:23] <sharpe_uk> under maintainer does it say "Medibuntu Package Team"?
[12:24] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, where is 'maintainer' you ask about
[12:24] <sharpe_uk> simplest way, open Adept Manager, type in amarok under search then click the blue arrow on the amarok-xine package
[12:25] <sharpe_uk> itll give you all the details for that package..
[12:25] <flaccid_> kg4rxs, you have an invalid sources.list
[12:25] <jtisme> ok let me see
[12:25] <kg4rxs> i know how do edet it
[12:27] <flaccid_> kg4rxs, with a text editor like kate under kdesudo
[12:27] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, yes maintainer medibuntu packaging team
[12:28] <kg4rxs> ok iwill try it
[12:28] <flaccid_> jtisme, its a bug
[12:28] <sharpe_uk> >jtisme, ok, point me to the stream you are trying to play, Ill see if it plays here (rule out the stream is at fault)
[12:28] <flaccid_> i deal with it every day jtisme
[12:28] <flaccid_> click on the stream jtisme until it works
[12:28] <sharpe_uk> >flaccid, so do I but sometimes the stream really is broken and sometimes you just have to try a few times..
[12:28] <flaccid_> sharpe_uk, its a but in shoutcast server, not xine apparently....
[12:28] <flaccid_> but=bug
[12:29] <flaccid_> i investigated this pretty heavily back in the day
[12:29] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, www.wgst.com  select listen live next page select listen live also
[12:30] <lars> hi all
[12:31] <lars> can anyone help me? i want to install a wlan card driver for my msi notebook on ubuntu
[12:32] <flaccid_> !wireless | lars
[12:32] <Slyboots> Hi
[12:32] <flaccid_> follow that for your wireless if it doesn't work out of box
[12:32] <sharpe_uk> >jtisme, "Due to licensing restrictions, we are not able to allow access to the content you are requesting from outside the United States."
[12:32] <lars> ok thx
[12:32] <flaccid_> ah server problem
[12:32] <Slyboots> Does anyone know if there are any guides for installing Linux/Windows dualboot on a Mac OS X machine?
[12:33] <sharpe_uk> >flaccid, nah, my IP resolves outside the US (Im in the UK)
[12:33] <flaccid_> Slyboots, did you try google ?
[12:33] <Slyboots> It ried it, but the shit hit the fan because the boot process kind of went.. tits up
[12:33] <Slyboots> Several times
[12:33] <flaccid_> sharpe_uk, still server problem... thats configured on the server
[12:33] <Slyboots> Every guide involves using OS X
[12:33] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, ok thanks
[12:33] <jussi01> !ohmy | Slyboots
[12:33] <sharpe_uk> >flaccid, yes but the point is that its a different problem to what jtisme since Im assuming he is inside the states he'll get past that point
[12:34] <jussi01> !macbook | Slyboots
[12:34] <flaccid_> Slyboots, well if you have an intel mac then you can just install normally
[12:34] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, under amarok i get the message 'no suitable demux' when trying to play  www.wgst.com...  any ideas there what demux i need
[12:34] <flaccid_> sharpe_uk, well to get to the bug you would need authorisation first...
[12:34] <Slyboots> flaccid_, Tried that.. sits for a good 50 seconds at each boot while it tries to decide what OS to even boot
[12:34] <jtisme> flaccid, i wasnt ignoring you just could not converse with both of you at the same time
[12:34] <Slyboots> Which for a dual-boot system is pretty bad
[12:37] <sharpe_uk> >jtisme, as flaccid already mentioned, you sometimes get that error even when the stream will work, clicking it a few times will work..
[12:37] <sharpe_uk> in those cases anyway
[12:38] <TheFuzzball> Hi, I have an Ati Radeon HD 2400 Graphics card and I just installed Kubuntu, what drivers should I use for it? (I installed fglrx and in wouldn't let me set a res higher than 600x400)
[12:38] <jtisme> sharpe_uk, ok i will try it out thanks to all
[12:38] <wthoang> im runnign the live disc and i need to burn something. can i just take out the live disc?? thi is probably a stupid question
[12:38] <sharpe_uk> np
[12:39] <jussi01> !ati | TheFuzzball
[12:40] <jussi01> TheFuzzball: also, see !fixres f your resolution after that is not right
[12:40] <TheFuzzball> thanks
[12:41] <wthoang> so can i just take out this live disc
[12:45] <DeepThought> something very wrong with my kde3: every app I start, every action I do in an app, the app in question goes grey and takes about a minute before it happens, and/or another minute to allow input to the window.  drives me craaazy !   what could be wrong ?  the trouble started after installing kde4.1 beta, but I removed it and the problem persists, maybe there´ s no cennection to that anyway...   Other apps (non-kde) are fine (like firefox),
[12:45] <DeepThought> so it has to be kde-related
[12:48] <wthoang> does running this live cd make it impossible for me to eject my disc
[12:48] <wthoang> ??
[12:48] <lars> can anyone help me to install my wlan?
[12:48] <lars> with ndiswrapper it doesnt work
[13:07] <BlueDevil> does synaptic look ugly for everyone else?
[13:07] <Pennycook> BlueDevil: Under Kubuntu?
[13:07] <BlueDevil> yes
[13:08] <Pennycook> Yup.  Reason being that root doesn't apply the KDE theme to GTK.
[13:08] <haryono> kubuntu jakarta indonesia pls
[13:08] <Jucato> although theoretically, it should be trying to look like KDE 3 apps, unless you're using KDE 4
[13:08] <Jucato> !id | haryono
[13:08] <BlueDevil> Pennycook: i've actually tracked the problem to the necessary environment variable not being set
[13:09] <BlueDevil> but i don't know where is the proper place to set that variable
[13:09] <BlueDevil> it used to work in kubuntu 7.10
[13:11] <frybye> Hi - I have a usb stick with amongst other stuff a bookmarks.html on it that I want to copy onto the pc.. when I move over the file with the cursor I get :/usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[13:11] <BlueDevil> if I run synaptic from konsole using sudo it looks fine
[13:11] <frybye> as a fault report window.. what is all this about?
[13:12] <frybye> i just want to copy the file...
[13:12] <frybye> why is it talking about Add as a podcast.. I have not the slightest interest in podcasting my bookmarks.html...?
[13:15] <genus-8> help me guys
[13:15]  * angasule gives genus-8 a lollypop
[13:15] <genus-8> emm.. i cant use konqueror on dialup?
[13:16] <genus-8> why?
[13:16] <angasule> genus-8: what do you mean you can't use konqueror on dialup? it's too slow?
[13:16] <frybye> angasule: can i have a lollipop and somebody give me a clue what this business with "add to podcast " is all about..?
[13:16] <genus-8> no
[13:17] <genus-8> it doesnt work on dialup connection
[13:17] <genus-8> i talk to you now? but browser cant open any link
[13:18] <angasule> frybye: no idea? maybe they go well with mustard?
[13:18] <angasule> genus-8: you are chatting through dialup?
[13:18] <genus-8> yea
[13:18] <frybye> angasule: it is not me who is dishing up the mustard this afternoon...
[13:18] <genus-8> and use my ICQ protocol
[13:19] <genus-8> but konqueror and kmail doesnt work..
[13:19] <frybye> why in Heavens' name should trying to select a file on a usb stick produce a window about podcasting???
[13:19] <shane__> genus-8: are you mabey set to work offline and that is why you cant make a conection
[13:19] <genus-8> just a second i will see
[13:19] <angasule> frybye: maybe it thinks your pen drive is an mp3 player?
[13:20] <frybye> hmmm can it be the the usb-stick is being treated in .. that is just what I was about to say.. how chan I change that..?
[13:21] <genus-8> offline mode is off
[13:21] <genus-8> i dont know why i cant see any links any pages in internet
[13:21] <shane__> have you atempted firefox also
[13:23] <genus-8> тщ
[13:23] <genus-8> no
[13:23] <genus-8> and in my distro no packs
[13:23] <genus-8> with mozilla
[13:32] <willluongo> Hello, this may seem like a stupid question, but after installing kernel 2.6.24-18-generic, can I just change the number 17 in kernel 2.6.24-17-generic to 18 so grub will load the newest kernel?
[13:33] <Raizar1> I have a problem with flash support in konqueror. I have installed the plugin for firefox, and with it works all right. But konqueror can't play flash videos (youtube). Is there another way to do it?
[13:34] <willluongo> Raizar1: Did you try installing the flash [plugin through adept?
[13:34] <shane__> what comand is used to find the version of kubuntu in terminal
[13:35] <willluongo> Raizar1: If so, also install konqueror-nsplugins
[13:35] <Raizar1> ﻿willluongo: i installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, libflashsupport,flashsupport-mozplugin and also konqueror-nsplugins
[13:36] <willluongo> Raizar1: Sorry I can't be of more help, that worked on mine
[13:36] <willluongo> Raizar1: Did you get flashplugin-nonfree?
[13:37] <Raizar1> ﻿willluongo: yes. Konqueror see the libflashsupport.so plugin for firefox, but still can't play flash
[13:38] <Raizar1> gnash doesn't work too
[13:41] <jordi_> hola
[13:41] <angasule> !es | jordi_
[13:43] <genus-8> i need terminal command to install firefox, thanks
[13:44] <engineer> sudo aptitude install firefox_
[13:44] <engineer> sudo aptitude install firefox
[13:45] <jordi_> I would like to know were is the option to create a new user from KD4
[13:45] <genus-8> kay thanks
[13:46] <genus-8> doesnt work
[13:47] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know the depencencies for Phonon in Qt 4.4?
[13:51] <engineer> genus-8 sudo apt-get install firefox
[13:52] <genus-8> update first? or just apt-get install firefox
[13:52] <genus-8> ?
[13:52] <shane__> sudo apt-get install firefox
[13:52] <shane__> then update
[13:55] <Rioting_pacifist> ive tried everything bu fullscreen flash still sucks :( (setting up DRI in xorg.conf, upgrading to 10, running firefox-32bit with flash 10, well not everything but thats all i could think off)
[13:57] <Raizar1> no way to use flash in konqueror
[13:58] <Rioting_pacifist> flash in konq works the same as in firefox
[13:58] <engineer> Raizar1 don't you like fx3?
[13:58] <zorglu_> q. can someone say my name this is for a test
[13:58] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_:
[13:58] <Raizar1> ﻿engineer yes but konqueror + kget is a good team
[13:59] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: thanks
[13:59] <genus-8> ящкпдг
[13:59] <Rioting_pacifist> Raizar1: you install flash like you would for firefox and konqueror picks it up
[13:59] <genus-8> zorglu_
[13:59] <engineer> Raizar1 fox+dta good team
[13:59] <Raizar1> i know but in KDE K+Kget is best ^^
[14:00] <engineer> Raizar1 have you tried the awesomebar in fox 3?
[14:01] <zorglu_> q
[14:01] <Raizar1> ﻿engineer lol i know firefox 3 i always use ff 3 but now i want to use konqueror
[14:01] <zorglu_> q. i got gnome ubuntu installed, and would like to switch to kde desktop, what should i do ?
[14:01] <Rioting_pacifist> this isnt the place to discus which browser is best
[14:01] <zorglu_> genus-8: thanks :)
[14:01] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:01] <engineer> zorglu_ a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:02] <zorglu_> Need to get 163MB of archives.
[14:02] <zorglu_> After this operation, 598MB of additional disk space will be used.
[14:02] <zorglu_> oopsa :)
[14:02] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid__: you said that your on ATI too, does fullscreen flash work ok for you?
[14:03] <genus-8> hehe, guys i am laging on 17 secs
[14:03] <genus-8> cool
[14:03] <engineer> no wonder it took you so long
[14:03] <pim_> exit
[14:06] <genus-8> exit
[14:07] <eagleboy> hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me with widgets on KDE 4.0
[14:08] <eagleboy> I accidently removed the application launcher and when I added it to the panel it placed it on the right side, anyone know how to move it back the left?
[14:08] <jtisme>  kubuntu 8.04 cannot get www.wgst.com streaming radio all other sound/video works fine anyone have any ideas  all medibuntu loaded etc.
[14:09] <jtisme> amarok says  'no suitable demux'  vlc  says unrecognized format ???
[14:09] <zorglu_> jtisme: what is the url of the stream
[14:10] <jtisme> zorglu_, www.wgst.com  select Live Listen first page,  Select Listen Live second page
[14:11] <zorglu_> http://a1802.v182276.c18227.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1802/18227/v0001/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/5881/richmedia/Shoes_15_3_2.wmv
[14:11] <zorglu_> this is the url :)
[14:13] <haryono> how to find jasper image convert to run webcam in kubuntu?
[14:14] <zorglu_> jtisme: ok i failed to get anything. not even a unknown demux
[14:15] <jtisme> zorglu_, interesting
[14:16] <jtisme> zorglu_, streaming radio appears to be the beast that is not conquered yet
[14:16] <zorglu_> jtisme: all the audio/video stuff is ultra crappy :)
[14:17] <zorglu_> jtisme: i do p2p streaming for a living
[14:17] <zorglu_> jtisme: http://player.web4web.tv/e334e91c/live/france24_fr.flv listen to this :) you hear their weird voices ? this is a bug in vlc :)
[14:17] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, yes it does - the flash thing
[14:17]  * flaccid- just got back
[14:17] <jtisme> zorglu_, i think i saw a post from canonical about an effort to make sound/video world class soon
[14:17] <jtisme> zorglu_, p2p ??
[14:18] <flaccid-> jtisme, "to make sound/video world class soon" ? link please
[14:18] <zorglu_> jtisme: yep, you get a "install webpack" on the bottom right, this is the p2p stuff.
[14:18] <zorglu_> i would LOVE to get proper audio/video on computer :)
[14:19] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: are you using ati or mesa drivers?
[14:19] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, mesa is not a driver. i use the restricted driver
[14:19] <jtisme> flaccid, dont remember link it was a comment by someone at a show with conical
[14:19] <flaccid-> there is the well known mesa problem however
[14:19] <flaccid-> jtisme, what is it exactly?
[14:20] <jtisme> zorglu_, what does p2p stand for i am very new to sound/video stuff
[14:20] <flaccid-> p2p has nothing to do with video or sound. peer to peer = p2p
[14:20] <zorglu_> jtisme: ah ok :) p2p is just a network architecture. in the case of audio/video streaming this allow to reduce the bandwidth used by the servers
[14:21] <jtisme> zorglu_, thanks
[14:21] <Rioting_pacifist> im using restricted too (although i cant find restricted manager since using envy :( oops, i should always listen to advice) but fullscreen flash is choppy (about the same in/out of compiz)
[14:21] <flaccid-> zorglu_, but the whole file needs to be downloaded first. so this is irrelevent..
[14:21] <zorglu_> just a small details "has nothing to do" = "not specific to" :)
[14:21] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, the problem is flash.
[14:22] <jtisme> flaccid, thanks should have known that
[14:22] <flaccid-> zorglu_, ah ok..
[14:23] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: how do i fix, im on 64 bit but ive tried flash 10 (on firefox(32)/firefox(64)) and flash 9 (on firefox(64)/konqueror)
[14:23] <zorglu_> flaccid-: it is not required to download the whole file before starting playing. in fact in the case of the http://player.web4web.tv/e334e91c/live/france24_fr.flv this is a live streaming. aka there is no 'file'
[14:23] <zorglu_> just a stream
[14:23] <zorglu_> but all that is quite offtopic :)
[14:23] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you can't fix. unless the quality of the videos are increased and adobe does something about the poor performance, particularly on linux. case closed :(
[14:24] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: but the video are of perfectly good quality and it worked fine on gutsy (well flash9 did)
[14:24] <flaccid-> zorglu_, it depends on what type of file. and this is commercial not open so....
[14:24] <angasule> flaccid-: well, specs are out, so hopefully we'll get a good flash player sometime
[14:25] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, is this with desktop effects/compiz on?
[14:25] <flaccid-> angasule, we will be lucky if flash 10 fixes the problems. i will be happy if it does
[14:25] <Rioting_pacifist> in gutsy it was with compiz off, but in hardy it seams to make no difference if compiz is on/off
[14:25] <angasule> flaccid-: I'm more interested in open source flash :)
[14:26] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, keep in mind probably a dif version of flash in gutsy - they like to change flash a lot
[14:26] <Rioting_pacifist> flash 10 is slightly better on cpu usage but thats about it
[14:26] <flaccid-> angasule, open source flash development exists. but decent flash players don't because its closed.
[14:26] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: flash 10 is out ?
[14:26] <flaccid-> this is the problem with closed sourced/proprietery software~!! accept it..
[14:26] <angasule> flaccid-: the specs were released recently
[14:26] <Rioting_pacifist> no it was the same flash 9 from adobe site they dont change it that often, apart from patches, but my flash9 was fairly new
[14:26] <flaccid-> SVG is what should be used instead.
[14:26] <flaccid-> angasule, that doesn't help useability :
[14:27] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_: its in beta, crashes gutsy but seams ok in hardy
[14:27] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, complain to Adobe :)
[14:27] <zorglu_> people should give way to pay rent/food with opensource, it would bring many people to opensource
[14:27] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: ok thanks
[14:27] <flaccid-> its a 3rd party plugin that simply gets embedded. what the plugin does has nothing to do with the program embedding it...
[14:27] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: its not a problem with adobe that it worked in 7.10 but is jumpy in 8.04 the change was made to ubuntu to change this, flashs sucking has nothing to do with this
[14:28] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, proove it to me. because it worked on one version and didn't on the other, concludes nothing.
[14:28] <drurew> do you know if its possible to use the "skype" servicies without having to use this "bad" application ??? can i port it to kopete or something ?
[14:28] <zorglu_> flash suck but it is 98% :)
[14:28] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, some real evidence please?
[14:28] <drurew> lol
[14:28] <flaccid-> its flash, get over it..
[14:29] <Rioting_pacifist> wtf how can i give evidence that something used to work fine but didnt, stop being a zelot this is a support channel leave your flash sucks at the door
[14:29] <drurew> flash is for uzers
[14:30] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, this is the nature of closed sourced software. it makes people like you make bad assumptions. i love flash, but its support is what sux, not flash itself.
[14:30] <zorglu_> flaccid-: how do you pay rent/food ?
[14:30] <flaccid-> you are merely guessing
[14:30] <pim> Could anyone tell me what the advantage of ubuntu is over Debian?
[14:30] <flaccid-> zorglu_, with a job
[14:30] <flaccid-> pim, there is none
[14:30] <angasule> flaccid-: right, it's like communism, sounds good in principle, but implementations suck :)
[14:30] <Rioting_pacifist> if something used to work in ubuntu its perfectly reasonable to belive that some setting has changed and that that setting can be reverted to get it working fine, i mean the suse guys didnt turn round to linus and say its adobes fault move along now, they tracked down the problem at thier end and fixed it, maybe thats why hes on opensuse not ubuntu tho
[14:31] <angasule> pim: ubuntu is better polished
[14:31] <drurew> FLAME WAR :D
[14:31] <zorglu_> flaccid-: doing opensource dev?
[14:31] <flaccid-> angasule, they never put decent resources into supporint *niz
[14:31] <flaccid-> nix
[14:31] <drurew> boom
[14:31] <angasule> pim: I use both, btw, and love both :)
[14:31] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, ignorance.
[14:31] <pim> Ubuntu is more userfriendly you mean?
[14:31] <Rioting_pacifist> pim: ubuntu do time based release cycles, debain dont
[14:31] <angasule> flaccid-: I'd say it sucks on windows as well
[14:31] <Rioting_pacifist> thats it
[14:31] <angasule> pim: yes, but there is more to it than that
[14:31] <pim> So why has someone decided to fork debian?
[14:32] <drurew> :D
[14:32] <drurew> just take the custard instead
[14:32] <drurew> ;P
[14:32] <Rioting_pacifist> flash runs on linux as a firefox plugin, if it ran fine in 7.10 then it doesnt run fine in 8.04 a change was made somewhere in the linux side as flash 9 has not changed
[14:32] <flaccid-> closed sourced software rarely works inline with OS standards...
[14:32] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, thats what you think. quite different from reality.
[14:33] <flaccid-> have a look at the flash versions
[14:33] <flaccid-> then come back
[14:33] <zorglu_> and opensource got significant marketing power :)
[14:33] <pim> angasule why do you use both?
[14:33] <Rioting_pacifist> no it has significantly less, hence apple is bigger
[14:33] <drurew> Rioting_pacifist: why dont you check what your running ...versions of new software may conflict old settings
[14:33] <flaccid-> omg the ignorance
[14:34] <drurew> yeah guys this is way off toppic
[14:34] <zorglu_> yep clearly :)
[14:34] <drurew> you know where to tak eit ???
[14:34] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, now please look at this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all it shows the change in versions between releases. flash changed, the distro didn't......
[14:34] <angasule> pim: I have different uses for different computers, I use kubuntu hardy on my main desktop, kubuntu dapper on the family desktop (they don't like change), debian etch on server and laptop (it's an old laptop with a low speed net connection)
[14:34] <flaccid-> well not really. Rioting_pacifist is claiming problem is kubuntu which it is not
[14:35] <zorglu_> well this is a war opensource vs closesource, pro and con
[14:35] <drurew> Rioting_pacifist: the problem is your software ...please RTFM 
[14:35] <zorglu_> nah the problem are the others. they are the ones to blame
[14:35] <angasule> Rioting_pacifist: flash for linux is particularly badly programmed, I used to follow the blog of the guy in charge of it, and frankly he was so clueless it was frightening
[14:35] <zorglu_> all of them
[14:35] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid- no package in the repos ever contained flash they are just wrappers to the installer which doesnt neciserily change when the wrapper changes
[14:36] <flaccid-> so in gutsy it was 9.0.48.0.2 and in hardy it was 9.0.124. this is adobe's change, not ubuntu. so get over it...
[14:36] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, oh please. yes, but they get different versions.
[14:36] <flaccid-> get your facts straight
[14:36] <drurew> exit
[14:36] <Rioting_pacifist> drurew: which manual?
[14:36] <zorglu_> ok i do agree
[14:36] <drurew> hahahahahahahahaha
[14:36] <zorglu_> take your war on -offtopic
[14:36] <flaccid-> i agree.
[14:36] <flaccid-> this has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[14:36] <Rioting_pacifist> thats all i wanted to know which manuals do i need to read to sort out the flash problem
[14:36] <flaccid-> take it somewhere else.
[14:37] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, reading a manual is not going to help.
[14:37] <dmial> hello, people! say me, please, how can I change skin of volume indicator, which appears on screen, when I adjust sound volume with multimedia keys of keyboard? thanks
[14:37] <drurew> go to your terminal and enter: man man or man help to find out more about your computer
[14:37] <zorglu_> mouarf
[14:37] <zorglu_> !coc | drurew
[14:37] <Rioting_pacifist> right man man tells me how to read manuals thats not what need sorting
[14:38]  * flaccid- yawns
[14:38] <drurew> Rioting_pacifist: you wll have to start somewhere ...esp if you dont know what your loking for
[14:38] <Rioting_pacifist> i though you know a support channel might of been of some use
[14:39] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: flash9 was last updated december 2007, my gutsy install was done in feb so it is the same version of flash
[14:39] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: the issue is that you talked about something unpopular here. so you are blacklisted for a while ... like in 2h or tomorrow they will forget. but for now you wont get the best out of this channel
[14:40] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, dude. that doesnt actually compare versions at all. you are disregarding many things and im over talking with you on this take it somwhere else like #idontunderstandclosedsourcesoftware
[14:40] <drurew>  http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm?forumid=15
[14:40] <zorglu_> flaccid-: if .124 is bugged, and .48 work, you can easily install the .48 by only overwriting the .so
[14:40] <flaccid-> zorglu_, i know this.
[14:41] <zorglu_> flaccid-: my bad it was for Rioting_pacifist
[14:41] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: see above
[14:41] <flaccid-> flash is the worst for konqueror users. have a look at this. because of the change in api/binary this is what opera users have to do: http://my.opera.com/remcolanting/blog/2008/04/14/opera-and-flash-on-linux
[14:42] <flaccid-> so some flash versions work, some don't and most have issues in terms of video. nothing to do with ubuntu or linux or kde.
[14:42] <flaccid-> can i shutup now or what?
[14:42] <Rioting_pacifist> please do
[14:42] <zorglu_> flaccid-: please do :)
[14:42] <zorglu_> damn same joke, but im first on my screen :)
[14:42] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, will you close the topic as well?
[14:43] <haryono> kubuntu jakarta indonesia?pls
[14:43] <Rioting_pacifist> ill continue to ask questions relevant to my problem ill just adress them in a way that wont provoke your fury against closed sourced software
[14:43] <[EGC-i]ThinIce> Could anyone suggest why when trying to run firefox since yesterdays update I just get the following error "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 416: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed!"
[14:44] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, no. stop. it has nothing to do with kubuntu so take it elsewhere ok!
[14:44] <zorglu_> flaccid-: relax man
[14:44] <haryono> kubuntu jakarta indonesia pls
[14:44] <flaccid-> zorglu_, i am relaxed?
[14:45] <flaccid-> there is no tone on the internet :)
[14:45] <zorglu_> cool :)
[14:45] <Rioting_pacifist> im using Kubuntu this channel is for kubuntu user support, as much as you hate flash im working though the links provided by the usefull members here, if i have a problem following those guides ill ask for more help
[14:45] <flaccid-> i don't get worked up by users
[14:45] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, but the support you are seeking is out of kubuntu's control, do you get that?
[14:45] <shane__> KDE 4.1 has anyone tryed it yet and how is it
[14:46] <flaccid-> shane__ pretty good for me, but still some bugs that i don't like
[14:46] <shane__> like what
[14:46] <haryono> tell me how to kubuntu jakarta indonesia pls
[14:46] <Rioting_pacifist> only if the problem is with the flash.so version and not with a part of my system other than the .so
[14:46] <flaccid-> um mainly still problems with plasma, thats probably the main one for me. configs saving, glitches and dying
[14:47] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, correct. Kubuntu did not make the plugin, Adobe did
[14:47] <shane__> flaccid-: oh ok so im best to wait a few weeks and see if it gets better over some updates
[14:47] <flaccid-> shane__, you are welcome to give it a go now if you would like. kde3 and 4 can co-operate fine on the same system
[14:48] <Rioting_pacifist> yes i fully understand that the .so is made by adobe the same way the my restricted drivers are made by ati but it is possible that the problem isnt caused by those two
[14:48] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, provide a POC please and then the dev team can look into it.
[14:48] <Rioting_pacifist> a POC?
[14:48] <shane__> flaccid-: ok ill give it a go then and see if i like lol if not i no where to find yah
[14:48] <ubuntu> hola
[14:49] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, Proof of Concept. In areas that are science driven, the people don't like guesses...
[14:49] <flaccid-> !kde4 | shane__
[14:49] <flaccid-> you won't need me..
[14:49] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah well i came here to try and figure out the problem i dont kno whats causing it, if i knew what was causing it id be able to find a work around
[14:50] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, thats the problem. people like me and others have spent hours investigating these claims and its always the closed provider.
[14:51] <shane__> flaccid-: lol ahh thanks tells me to take it and if i have probs to bugger off ill give it a go it doesnt matter what isues it creats kubuntu support has been the best iv found sofar TY flaccid-
[14:51] <ubuntu> hello
[14:51] <ubuntu> hay alguien que sepa españole
[14:51] <Rioting_pacifist> !es
[14:51] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: ok explain your problem. calmly and dont say opensource/closesource word :)
[14:51] <flaccid-> shane__, not sure what you mean, but i for you install, its as simple as selecting which one you want from login screen. the config files are totally separate...
[14:52] <flaccid-> zorglu_, do we have to start again on that?
[14:52] <Rioting_pacifist> lol, my problem is that flash used to work fine but it doesnt anymore, im going to find an old version of flash and see what happens
[14:52] <zorglu_> flaccid-: i am just helping a user with his trouble. no war
[14:52] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, lol so you never reverted back to the version Adobe made for gutsy... heh
[14:52] <shane__> flaccid-: ok so they dont work in tandum i need to instal a seperate system and then just choose on start witch i want
[14:52] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: ok which version of flash works ?
[14:52] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: .48 ?
[14:53] <administrator> #POWER+DSL+INTERNET+SPPRAHE
[14:53] <flaccid-> zorglu_, i spent hours benchmarking this once, so it would be good if people believed such users when the problem is the 3rd party provider
[14:53] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: there was no version of flash for gutsy, you had to install it manually from thier website, ive tried that version but as you pointed out i dont know if thats the same version i had on gutsy
[14:54] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: find out the version
[14:54] <flaccid-> shane__, nah. you just install it and then in the login screen you can select which session type you would like - kde3 or kde4 - no stuffing around
[14:54] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, omg thats totally incorrect
[14:54] <shane__> flaccid-: ok ty once again
[14:54] <flaccid-> !info flashplugin-nonfree gutsy | Rioting_pacifist
[14:54] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_: im looking for a version of 9.48 but not sure where to find it
[14:54]  * flaccid- rests his case once again
[14:54] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: it didnt work
[14:55] <flaccid-> !doesntwork | Rioting_pacifist
[14:55] <flaccid-> that tells us nothing
[14:55] <administrator> #HTTP://11921682.1
[14:55] <Rioting_pacifist> adobe updated thier website shortly after 7.10 was realsed and the flash installer was useless, just look on the forums
[14:55] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, exactly.
[14:56] <zorglu_> mouaoua
[14:56] <flaccid-> so lets move on please
[14:56] <zorglu_> come on guys
[14:56] <Rioting_pacifist> your the one asking me to install the 'gutsy version' of flash which without a time machine is imposible
[14:56] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: 9.0.48 is available somewhere on abode website... but hidden and i dont remember where
[14:56] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i never asked you to do that.
[14:57] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: there is another way tho. it is to download the gutsy package and to extract only the .so
[14:57] <administrator> #BENUTZERNAME ROOTKENWORT 123456
[14:57] <flaccid-> !de | administrator
[14:58] <Rioting_pacifist> i though the gutsy package just causes you to download the .so from the adobe website, for legal reasons they couldnt actually put the .so in the package
[14:58] <llutz> administrator: stop spam
[14:58] <administrator> A
[14:58]  * flaccid- raises an eyebrow
[15:00] <zorglu_> Rioting_pacifist: i dunno. i dont remember...  /home/jerome/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so  is to be overwritten with the version you want. then you do "about:plugins" in firefox location bar to get the version of the flash run by firefox
[15:00] <administrator> #Arkor-Easy Boxxx A 4OO
[15:00] <zorglu_> ok administrator is a bot
[15:00] <genii> !ops | administrator (spam)
[15:01] <flaccid-> danke
[15:01] <ds187_> thx
[15:01] <genii> Mez: Thanks
[15:02] <xjunior> is there how to install Kubuntu in text mode (dialogs)?
[15:02] <xjunior> I can't login on live cd.... the screen is completely black
[15:02] <genii> The alternate cd does a text-based install.
[15:02] <jpds> xjunior: yes, use the alternate cd
[15:04] <xjunior> where I download it?
[15:05] <drurew> xjunior: get it at the download page under :alternative* live cd
[15:05] <Rioting_pacifist> what package contains the restricted hardware manager, or whats the command line to launch it as i cant find a gui launcher
[15:05] <jpds> xjunior: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[15:07] <xjunior> when I try to enter on "Install", my screen looks like a LCD burning.... it's really freak! If I try to enter on "live", I got a black screen.... is there any way to fix it?
[15:07] <zorglu_> q. i installed gnome ubuntu, then did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, then rebooted. it boots like kubuntu, login like kubuntu, BUT once logged in i got a gnome desktop.. i would like a kubuntu desktop, what should i do ?
[15:07] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, kdesudo jockey-kde
[15:08] <Rioting_pacifist> !find jockey-kde > Rioting_pacifist.
[15:09] <xjunior> zorglu_: in the login screen, select a KDE session
[15:09] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, its a binary not a package so ubottu won't find it
[15:09] <zorglu_> xjunior: ok trying
[15:10] <Rioting_pacifist> what package is it in?
[15:10] <jimmy51_> if i have a variable, strFilename... and want to append .csv to the variable (in a bash script).... how do i do that?   strFilename=strFilename + ".csv" ?
[15:10] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, are you on hardy?
[15:11] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah
[15:11] <flaccid-> sorry i am wrong then in that cae
[15:11] <flaccid-> !info jockey-kde
[15:11] <flaccid-> but its default installed
[15:13] <jimmy51_> or maybe strFilename="${strFilename}.csv"   ?
[15:15] <zorglu_> ok now i got all kubuntu and all ubuntu :) so my menu are ultimatly bloated :) can i remove all the gnome packages ? apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop doesnt do it
[15:16] <genii> !purekde
[15:17] <zorglu_> genii: thanks lookin
[15:20] <zorglu_> genii: there is a typo in this page, in the ultra big apt-get, feel like fixing the page ?
[15:20] <genii> zorglu_: Bleh. Not until at least after a few more coffees!
[15:21] <zorglu_> E: Couldn't find package gconf-editorgdm <- the big apt-get of hardy non kde4 produce this error. just putting a space in between makes it ok
[15:21] <zorglu_> genii: hehe ok :)
[15:22] <b4l7424r> the xine extra codecs in adept is greyed out, how do i install them?
[15:22] <trappist> b4l7424r: you probably have to enable the universe and multiverse repositories
[15:22] <trappist> !universe
[15:22] <genii> !medibuntu
[15:23] <b4l7424r> trappist: i have enabled the universe and multiverse repos
[15:24] <genii> !medibuntu | b4l7424r
[15:24] <genii> b4l7424r: Add the medibuntu repositories for mp3 and other codecs
[15:24] <Rioting_pacifist> zorglu_: ive installed the same version i had on gutsy in the same browser(32 bit firefox) and i have the same problem, does this mean the problem is somehwere in the kubuntu system yet?
[15:24] <trappist> b4l7424r: try genii's suggestion :)
[15:26] <dolf> i reinstalled my amarok and my xine worked again i reinstalled the amarok-xine
[15:26] <b4l7424r> thanks genii, i just don't understand why i can't install the xine extra thru adept
[15:28] <genii> b4l7424r: Because most codecs are proprietary property and not included in the standard ubuntu repositories.
[15:29] <trappist> closed-source, patent-encumbered, etc.
[15:30] <b4l7424r> i see
[15:31] <Chrizzz> hi, anyone an idea how i can set up commands, wich will be executed after i log in at my text shell/bash?
[15:32] <b4l7424r> is there a way to install all the medibuntu packages at once?
[15:32] <flaccid-> b4l7424r, no.
[15:32] <llutz> Chrizzz: add them to ~/.profile
[15:33] <Chrizzz> thank you, it worked ...
[16:04] <dergringo> Hi. How do I sync Kontact (KDE3) with a funambol syncml server?
[16:05] <frybye> i used the destop effects menupoint in system on kde3 and have a window showing standard effect - extra effect and so on - but when i click on extra effect and APPLY - nothing happens..
[16:05] <adz21c> dergringo: kitchensync
[16:05] <frybye> not sure if compiz engine is installed correctly.. how can I check please.. folks at compiz fusion channel not so hot on kubuntu - specific stuff..
[16:07] <frybye> does sbdy have a console command to install compiz-fusion for kde3???
[16:08] <frybye> including the stuff like the cube if possible..?
[16:08] <jussi01> frybye: are you running 8.04?
[16:08] <jussi01> it should be installed...
[16:09] <frybye> yes jussi01
[16:09]  * DOOM_NX mpainw windows
[16:09] <jussi01> frybye: system - desktop effects
[16:09] <genii> frybye: For the cube and so on you need the compizconfig-settings-manager  where you go and tell it what sort of interface to use in compiz, etc etc
[16:10] <frybye> how do I start that c-set-man?
[16:11] <genii> frybye: The packagename is as I have it above. To call it alt-f2   then: ccsm
[16:11] <Rioting_pacifist> my flash problem was infact related to ATI proprietory drivers, and i cite the fact that radon drivers allow me to watch fullscreen video without any probelms as POC
[16:11] <frybye> it says command canoot be executed...
[16:11] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i still don't understand what you mean. where is your POC ?
[16:12] <frybye> hang on i uninstalled some stuff .. wait a min...
[16:12] <Rioting_pacifist> well it proves that the problem isnt to do with flash
[16:12] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, hangon you get better performance with "radeon" and not "fglrx" ?
[16:12] <Rioting_pacifist> well compiz doesnt work so i fell back to fluxbox but the flash issue is fixed
[16:13] <Rioting_pacifist> frambufferd TTYS seam to be offering me less problems than under ATI too
[16:13] <frybye> the ccsm command will not execute???
[16:13] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i would never expect compiz to work with flash. fluxbox and compiz have nothing to do with flash or drivers, so i don';t know what you are saying?
[16:14] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, X drivers do not work under other TTYs only the X session
[16:14] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: radeon doesnt support compiz or atleast my xorg.conf with raedon doesnt, so i fell back to fluxbox that doesnt require composting
[16:15] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, like i said earlier, composite does not work with flash.
[16:15] <flaccid-> window manager has nothing to do with it.
[16:15] <frybye> ccsm was not installed... getting it now..
[16:15] <dergringo> adz21c: It looks like kitchensync (opensync) is not able to sync to a remote syncml host (funambol) using http. it just offers a syncml SERVER for mobile devices.
[16:16] <Rioting_pacifist> yes but it wasnt just composting, which does work with flash BTW, that wasnt working it was ATI drivers causing the problem
[16:16] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, prove it... and it doesn't matter both fglrx and flash are restricted so my claim still is correct -nothing to do with ubuntu. still i'd like to read your POC.
[16:17] <Rioting_pacifist> well im not sure how the X drivers interact with TTYs but raedon and ' "UseFBDev"              "true"' is giving me less glitches, previously the entire third botom of the screen wasnt working
[16:17] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, and yes it depends what window manager using composite and what composite functions you are using. i know its easy to guess but there is much you don't know about
[16:17] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, yeah, just stop making assumptions and its all good. innocent until proven guilty..
[16:18] <adz21c> dergringo: i personally using opensync direct cos kitchensync screws for me
[16:18] <frybye> ok ... have got the cube working but it only has 2 sides.. how to get 4???
[16:18] <Rioting_pacifist> i never made an assumtions you just went off on one over flash my only assumtion was that it was probably my ATI and flash not playing nice, which is what it was
[16:18] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye: change the number of desktops under compiz settings
[16:18] <genii> frybye: What Rioting_pacifist said
[16:19] <Rioting_pacifist> btw what does useFBDev change because the TTYS work alot better now, can i add that to xorg.conf when fglrx is in use?
[16:19] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you are still incorrect
[16:19] <frybye> I have the ccsm running but dont seem to be able to find the place to change number of desktops..
[16:20] <dergringo> adz21c: you are able to sync kontact with a remote syncml server?
[16:20] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you do realise that you are still making assumptions...
[16:21] <adz21c> i use opensync with kdepim to my mobile phone which is syncml over bluetooth
[16:21] <genii> frybye: They'll know in #compiz-fusion
[16:21] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye: its at the top general options
[16:22] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: im making working assumtions otherwise you never get anywhere, id just stare at my computer and go "umm something wrong", better to try and fix it one way than just go back to windows
[16:22] <adz21c> dergringo: i use opensync with kdepim to my mobile phone which is syncml over bluetooth
[16:23] <yuriy> what package provides the defaultapplication kcm?
[16:23] <makdaknife> hi
[16:24] <makdaknife> two of my hardy systems have suddenly stopped being able to play DVDs.... I have libdvdcss and libdvdread stuff all installed... any tips?
[16:24] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you need technical knowledge to make something other than an assumption...
[16:24] <frybye> Rioting_pacifist: In general options there is - general - commands - desktopsize - display settings - focus and raise behavoiur - key bindings - opacity settinghs.. find not place for set number of sides to cube or similar..?
[16:25] <flaccid-> assumptions can be detrimental
[16:25] <hacker> 是不是中国的频道
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> desktopsize
[16:25] <frybye> ah i see.. called size.. sorry...
[16:25] <dergringo> adz21c: yes that is possible...
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: aslong as you drop your assumtion when faced with contradictory evidence they're not
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> like say assuming flash is the cause of all problems and cant be fix,
[16:26] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i am yet to see any evidence from you , just guesses
[16:26] <flaccid-> um no
[16:26] <flaccid-> !ops
[16:26] <frybye> nw i have 4 sides to the cube but only two windows at bottom right of screen..?
[16:27] <Mez> why the ops call ?
[16:27] <genii> flaccid-: What was that about?
[16:27] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist is starting this flash roundabout again
[16:27] <Rioting_pacifist> click on it, the desktop pagers doesnt work well, there is something called compiz-desktop pager that works *a bit* better
[16:27] <flaccid-> i guess i should ignore
[16:27] <genii> Bah thats not op-worthy
[16:27] <flaccid-> i havnt been told what is op worth and what is not :)
[16:27] <makdaknife> hmm nobody wanna help me out with my DVD issues?
[16:28] <Mez> flaccid, just because you disagree with someone - doesnt need an ops call
[16:28] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: talking about flash isnt a crime round here
[16:28] <flaccid-> Mez, link me so i can understand :)
[16:28] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, there is no crime around here
[16:28] <Mez> flaccid, link you to WHAT?
[16:29] <Mez> makdaknife, anything which disrupts the channel in a manner which needs to be dealt with immediately (flooding, trolling, spammers, etc etc)
[16:29] <flaccid-> Mez, well Rioting_pacifist has been going on about this for hours. i thought that a user repeating for hours would worthy an op call. id like to know what does worthy an op call ?
[16:29] <Mez> or action against the CoC
[16:29] <frybye> I clicked on the virt. workspaces thing at bottom right and selected 4 workspaces but it did not change..?
[16:29] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye: when you install the compiz-pager you need to add it to the desktop bar as it wont replace the kwin one (btw it wont play nice with kwin)
[16:29] <frybye> compiz-pager????
[16:30] <flaccid-> Mez, ok i'll ignore in the future, thanks.
[16:30] <makdaknife> Mez: sorry? I was just looking for some help
[16:30] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-: just like your mummy said if youve got nothing usefull to say STFU
[16:30] <Jucato> Rioting_pacifist: please watch the language
[16:30] <frybye> Rioting - please explain - what is the compiz-pager - how to use/add it to the desktop bar...?
[16:31] <flaccid-> Mez, how about that ^ should i just accept it?
[16:31] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, how about you stfu
[16:31] <Mez> !language
[16:31] <Jucato> flaccid-: you shouldn't fight back
[16:31] <Rioting_pacifist> frybye the kde pager doesnt working with compiz, you need to search the repos i forget the name of the program but its something like compiz-pager
[16:31] <flaccid-> Jucato, what should i do ?
[16:31] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, flaccid-  I dont want any language in here.
[16:31] <frybye> so do I have to hold the coats for two of you guys to step outside or what.. heheh
[16:32] <flaccid-> i didn't know an acronym was bad language :)
[16:32] <Jucato> flaccid-: I thought you already put him on ignore...
[16:32] <genii> frybye: Alternately what I tend to do is just remove the pager after compiz starts, then re-add it, after that it works fine
[16:32] <flaccid-> Jucato, hard to ignore when it fills my screen :(
[16:32] <Rioting_pacifist> yeah even fsck can get you warned if you use it in an offensive manner
[16:32] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, you are welcome to file a bug if you believe there is an issue with flash, however, at the moment, it dont seems that there is anyone here able to help you
[16:32] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, indeed.
[16:33] <Mez> flaccid-, "stfu" - work out what the "f" in it means
[16:33] <Mez> anyway, I'd like people to calm down.
[16:33] <flaccid-> Mez, no worries
[16:33] <Mez> flaccid-, look up the /silence command
[16:33] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, please, feel free to go report a bug
[16:33] <flaccid-> its just not mentioned explicitly in the CoC thats all
[16:33] <Rioting_pacifist> Mez: i already found a work around i dont think ubuntu devs can do anything about it, but if somebody complains about flash full screen the workaround is to use the free drivers
[16:34] <flaccid-> lol
[16:34] <flaccid-> what about users that need 3D ?
[16:34] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, as I've said - feel free to report a bug. Or there's a howto section on the forums
[16:34] <Rioting_pacifist> flaccid-:  well then they cant use flash full screen
[16:34] <Mez> flaccid-, by responding, you're only creating more chance for this to get ugly. So - a factoid that I havent used in a while
[16:35] <Mez> !stop | Rioting_pacifist flaccid-
[16:35] <chakie> has anyone noticed that their ipods aren't automatically mounted anymore on hardy?
[16:36] <chakie> mine worked fine for a year or so and recently after som update it just won't get mounted anymore (also, amarok nuked the database on it so i had to factory reset it)
[16:36] <haryono> Why my hardiisk sound noisy when I start and the computer hang during the operation?
[16:37] <Rioting_pacifist> compiz launches itself as soon as kde starts, how do i stop this? i looked in /usr/share/autostart and ~./kde/autostart but didnt see anything
[16:37] <genii> haryono: PErhaps the computer is hanging because the sound of the hard drive is it's indication of physical failure
[16:37] <Mez> haryono, I'd guess an issue with the HDD
[16:38] <haryono> how to fix the problem or identifying its failure?
[16:38] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, are your sessions turned on?
[16:39] <frybye> hmmm have it all working nice - thanx to all who helped.. free beer waiting in berlin...
[16:39] <Rioting_pacifist> thier turned on but with compiz and kde-window-deco excluded, i cant get into kde to properly turn them off tho
[16:40] <Rioting_pacifist> will deleteing everything in sessions mean the next session is blank?
[16:40] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, can you get to a console when it's running?
[16:40] <Mez> if so - just do kwin --replace &
[16:40] <Mez> and then you can get in to turn them off
[16:40] <genii> haryono: If you have some working computer with a cd burner I would suggest to download and make the Ultimate Boot CD which can do many diagnostics
[16:41] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, i think you need to turn off compiz with kwin as above then logout then on login it will be off
[16:42] <Rioting_pacifist> i get a white screen of death so i cant do anything in kwin, actually nvm i can always change to fglrx to do it, if i keep two xorg.confs lying around i should be ok
[16:43] <haryono> i have no other computer at home this is the only computer i use now
[16:43] <Mez> Rioting_pacifist, oh the fun of proprietary hardware eh?
[16:43] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, there are bugs on launchpad with that behaviour across a few different drivers
[16:44] <Rioting_pacifist> what the white screen of death or the f***** thing
[16:45] <genii> haryono: From the livecd you could try to fsck the drive in question
[16:45] <haryono> what kind of live cd i must use?
[16:46] <flaccid-> Rioting_pacifist, you could search launchpad. its mainly with the restricted drivers
[16:46] <genii> haryono: Some linux one
[16:46] <genii> haryono: Since fsck is common to all linux
[16:47] <haryono> can i use ubuntu cd for fixing?
[16:48] <genii> haryono: For booting to cd and trying to determine the problem, yes. For fixing, perhaps if it is at all possible
[16:52] <kNewbie> Hallo. Ich will jetzt richtig mit kubuntu anfangen. Habe jetzt versehentlich dapper installiert. Bin etwas verwirrt. Welche Version ist jetzt die aktuellste, stabilste und möglichst LTS?
[16:53] <Rioting_pacifist> haryono:  if its a hardware failure your best bet is to get a new drive backeverything up to it and use the old one for non critical things (/tmp, swap, windows, etc)
[16:53] <Rioting_pacifist> !de
[16:54] <kNewbie> oops not the german room.. *change*
[16:56] <shadowhywind> does anyone know of a console email program that can excute a console command when it recieves an email(filter)?
[16:57] <llutz> shadowhywind: procmail
[16:57] <shadowhywind> thanks, will look into that one
[17:03] <roberto_> ho
[17:03] <roberto_> hi
[17:04] <roberto_> how i restore my xorg?
[17:04] <drif> restore?
[17:04] <engineer> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:04] <drif> ah
[17:05] <roberto_> how i put down kdm?
[17:06] <Jucato> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[17:08] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, does anyone know what Character set anthy uses when you switch to Japanese input? It doesn't appears to be UTF-8
[17:08] <roberto_> how i rename a file?
[17:09] <genii> roberto_:  mv oldname newname
[17:11] <roberto_> i restore my xorg, but when i try to login, my screen is white
[17:12] <frybye> i just installed samba server and a gui that is suppose to control it - the latter I cant find?
[17:12] <engineer> konqueror
[17:12] <engineer> oh, to setup it?
[17:12] <genii> frybye: Would that gui thing be called SWAT ?
[17:12] <frybye> ah dear oh dear I could do with sbdy here who knwos thier stuff..
[17:12] <frybye> perhaps - my terrible memory..
[17:13] <engineer> !mirrors
[17:13] <frybye> geni.. how can I search for an appl on the system - in kde4 i know but i am in kde3
[17:13] <roberto_> i restore my xorg, but when i try to login, my screen stay white
[17:13] <frybye> hang on i will go and look in adept what I have..
[17:14] <RiotingPacifist> roberto_: what driver do you have in xorg.conf?
[17:14] <frybye> genii: it was    system-config-samba
[17:15] <roberto_> "useFBdev"
[17:16] <roberto_> this is ok?
[17:16] <genii> frybye: a minute or so please
[17:16] <frybye> genii:  k - np
[17:17] <genii> frybye: Kmenu...System...Samba
[17:17] <roberto_> RiotingPacifist:identifier  "configured Video Device -- option useFBdev true
[17:17] <frybye> yeah i found that but apparently nothing happens...
[17:18] <roberto_> RiotingPacifist: is this ok?
[17:18] <genii> frybye: When nothing happens it's usually a good thing.
[17:18] <frybye> despite it being linux here - eh - perhaps I should re-boot...
[17:19] <genii> frybye: No reboot should be neccesary
[17:19] <frybye> genii: good  c u in a min
[17:19] <frybye> yeah but you know "should..." heheh
 this utter fascination with rebooting
[17:19] <RiotingPacifist> roberto_: im not sure, do you have compiz ?
[17:20] <frybye> ok then - what do you sugest doing when smthing just sits there and does not react.. it is visible in the gui but inactive.. and has just been installed.. a re-boot seems the only logical process now or..?
[17:20] <genii> frybye: Make sure the directory you are sharing exists. What you mean by "visible but inactive"
[17:21] <frybye> when i click on the entry in the gui-menu for samba nothing apparently happens - no window opens - nothing too be seen..
[17:21] <frybye> I was hoping for this gui- samba-config-thing...
[17:22] <frybye> as a newbie I dont know enough to do it -on my own- with the consule..
[17:22] <genii> frybye: When you run it from the System...Samba it should prompt for password. After that you use it to declare shares and so on. It's not some browser for sambe, just a configuration tool.
[17:23] <frybye> so i gave to use the consule - despite the fact that in adept it spec said that it was a gui to use for samba dir settings etc..??
[17:24] <frybye> hang on...
[17:25] <genii> frybye: The directories to share there are on the box you are using. It will write the samba configuration file to reflect this, and so than after this you go on a wondows machine on the network and are able to gain access to those shares.
[17:25] <genii> Bah typos
[17:26] <frybye> genii: in the adept if says - system-config-samba - installier - keine änderung GUI for managing samba shares and users..? but where is it now...?
[17:26] <frybye> e e installiert - ie is installed.. I am on a German kubuntu...
[17:27] <genii> frybye:  "system-config-samba" = KButton... System... Samba
[17:27] <frybye> hang on - let me submit to my -reboot- fettish - yes yes that is where i go and click on it and n o t h i n g happens.. so i am gonna re-boot back in a min+
[17:27] <engineer> can someone paste their sources.list? just the normal repositories
[17:28] <engineer> !pastebin
[17:30] <genii> Perhaps I'm lacking in communiction skills or something.
[17:30] <grendal_prime> hey guys i use to be able to toggle through running apps with my alt tab...its gone (all of the sudden)  where can i adjust that?
[17:31] <frybye> re:
[17:32] <frybye> hmm still nothing happens.. oh dear...
[17:33] <genii> frybye: What more exactly are you trying to achieve as some end-goal in this exercise? It may be easier to approach it from this way.
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> grendal_prime: try koncontrol --> regional and acc. --> keybaord
[17:35] <frybye> yeah - trying to set up lan access between my comp2 here and comp1 which is 1 m to the left of this one via a router/home network,,,
[17:35] <genii> frybye: And this other computer is some Windows based thing?
[17:35] <frybye> there is a set of folders on the other box (64x home vista..) which I need access too.. yes vista..
[17:36] <frybye> i need it for work...
[17:36] <frybye> financed by an patient care association that I do some stuff for..
[17:36] <frybye> partly at least...
[17:36] <frybye> the os was paid for by them - put it that way..
[17:37] <genii> frybye: For just getting files from a Windows box, you don't even need samba. Because the samba client is already on your linux machine by default. All you need to do is just install smb4k and then use that to browse to your Vista box
[17:37] <Pennycook> frybye: Typing "smb:" into Konqueror should bring up the accessible samba shares.
[17:37] <frybye> and I am a bit nervous cos until i ahve the net access I cant creat an image of this box - should anyhting happen..
[17:37] <genii> Pennycook: No, it is broken.
[17:37] <frybye> I use firefox - can I do that..
[17:37] <genii> frybye: Not in firefox.
[17:38] <frybye> hang on - what first - smb4k install and then command smb in konq.. right??
[17:38] <genii> frybe: You *should* normally be able to do it from in Konqueror or in Dolphin with the smb://   prefix, but it does not work currently without installing additionally the smbfs package
[17:39]  * genii sighs
[17:40] <genii> frybye: smb4k is it's own network browser
[17:41] <frybye> ok have installed smb4k - where do I find it...?
[17:41] <genii> frybye: Kbutton Utilities smb4k
[17:42] <frybye> ah ha in konk...
[17:42] <frybye> oh - hang on..
[17:44] <frybye> ok I see comp1 - and a lot of stuff - with dollar signs in it - and also Public but when i click on Pulic it says
[17:44] <frybye> mount error 2 = No such file or directory
[17:44] <frybye> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[17:44] <Nyad> Hi, I need to install libgtk the 32bit version, but I have a 64bit kubuntu and I can only find it for 64bits, is there a 32bit GTK lib because I want to compile a 32bit program that uses GTK
[17:46] <frybye> genii: what do i have to do to "mount cifs?"
[17:46] <frybye> hmm net-split or..?
[17:46] <engineer> definitly or
[17:47] <frybye> genii: you still there...?
[17:49] <RurouniJones> Does anyone know what Character set anthy uses when you switch to Japanese input? It doesn't appears to be UTF-8 because when I enter it into a web browser it gets mangled (Yes the web-app is UTF-8 and so is the database)
[17:50] <genii> frybye: Work needed me. Back now
[17:50] <frybye> ok - so now I can see the stuff on the comp1 but it is giveing a fault report about mounting cifs??
[17:51] <frybye> dont work too hard there - we need you heheheh
[17:51] <Nyad> Hi, I need to install libgtk the 32bit version, but I have a 64bit kubuntu and I can only find it for 64bits, is there a 32bit GTK lib because I want to compile a 32bit program that uses GTK
[17:51] <genii> frybye: When it says dir does not exist, likely it's some directory you wrote into that gui configuration tool which does not exist.
[17:52] <frybye> no it is the Public folder on the other puter - but the smb4k does not allow me to access it - see fault report above..
[17:52] <adz21c> Nyad: search for ia32
[17:52] <frybye> genii: here -
[17:52] <frybye> mount error 2 = No such file or directory
[17:52] <frybye> [18:44] <frybye> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[17:52] <adz21c> Nyad: i think they have dev packages with them
[17:53]  * genii headdesks
[17:53] <frybye> this smb4k is a/the config tool .. eh ..
[17:54] <frybye> genii:  sorry didnt understand - headdesk???
[17:54] <pl> yo
[17:54] <pl> kto polak?
[17:54] <frybye> nie mal - anglieskiego...
[17:54] <llutz> is there a (perl-)package containing HTML::TableContentParser ?
[17:54] <frybye> par angielskiego proze...
[17:54] <frybye> plese speak english...
[17:55] <pl> ok
[17:55] <pl> Who is polish?
[17:55] <frybye> probably wrong channel...here engl. language
[17:55] <frybye> genii: what to do now???
[17:56] <Nyad> adz21c: sudo apt-cache search gtk ia32       doesn't really bring up anything useful
[17:56] <Pennycook> !polish | pl
[17:57] <frybye> genii: I have just removed that other thing...
[17:59] <DaSkreech> I can't get krita to run
[18:00] <DaSkreech> Run 'kde-config --path services' to see which directories were searched, assuming kde startup had the same environment as your current shell.
[18:00] <DaSkreech> I get that error message
[18:00] <DaSkreech> Which gives me /home/ubuntu/.kde/share/services/:/usr/share/services/:/rofs/usr/share/services/
[18:02] <frybye> genii: I have had a look at man mount.cifs - there are about 40+ pages of stuff I dont undersand 1% of...
[18:02] <Rioting_pacifist> im getting "(If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" from glxinfo how do i set libgl_debug?
[18:03] <frybye> Rioting_pacifist: can you give me a tip how to get access to this directory on ther other machin in Smb4K
[18:04] <Rioting_pacifist> sorry i never used smb, so no idea
[18:04] <frybye> genii: <--- seems to have been lost in the netsplit...
[18:04] <frybye> ok Rioting_pacifist np
[18:04] <frybye> p yeah but not your p heheh
[18:05] <frybye> who else knows how to use smb4k???
[18:05] <Rioting_pacifist> echo..co...co...co...co
[18:06] <moshe> hi, i've noticed that firefox doesn't load page components suddenly and strace -p <firefoxpid> showed a lot of "EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" - then i tried fsck and it said "fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=e4ead2df-71d4-4319-b4a8-fa4a3b3dff13'" - this is the identifier used by default installation in kernel boot line in /boot/grub/menu.lst - what should i do? thanks
[18:08] <llutz> moshe: use partition-name not UUID for fsck
[18:08] <moshe> llutz: i didn't specify anything in command line it was taken by defualt
[18:08] <moshe> default
[18:11] <moshe> llutz: the line in grub is: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-18-generic root=UUID=e4ead2df-71d4-4319-b4a8-fa4a3b3dff13 ro quiet splash
[18:11] <DaSkreech> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Check your installation (did you install KOffice in a different prefix than KDE, without adding the prefix to /etc/kderc ?)
[18:11] <moshe> is that how it's suppose to be or should i change it to something else?
[18:12] <llutz> moshe: waht does "blkid|grep dff13" say?
[18:12] <moshe> says: /dev/sda1: UUID="e4ead2df-71d4-4319-b4a8-fa4a3b3dff13" TYPE="ext3"
[18:13] <moshe> oh maybe it didn't find because i wasn't in root shell
[18:13] <moshe> so UUID is fine
[18:14] <moshe> if i run fsck on mounted volume, but do not fix anything, is it still dangerous?
[18:15] <llutz> moshe: try to avoid that
[18:15] <moshe> k, gonna reboot into single user mode..
[18:15] <moshe> thanks for the help
[18:16] <llutz> moshe: sudo touch /forcefsck  if sda1 is your /
[18:16] <llutz> moshe: then it will be checked after next reboot
[18:17] <grendal_prime> Odd-rationale: ya werid i dont see a line for alt+tab..everything else in there but not that??
[18:18] <moshe> llutz: would you happen to know what this refers to - memory or disk: read(3, 0x8073bec, 4096)                = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:18] <Odd-rationale> grendal_prime: well. you will have to look for the switch window thing and set it to alt+tab...
[18:19] <grendal_prime> ya
[18:19] <grendal_prime> doing that now
[18:19] <moshe> k rebooting
[18:21] <haryono> Can i fix my hdd trouble by adding memory to 512 ?
[18:21] <DaSkreech> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: kritapart.desktop not found.
[18:21] <haryono> now is only 256
[18:22] <DaSkreech> haryono: What hdd trouble?
[18:22] <haryono> noisy when start and hang in the way
[18:22] <DaSkreech> haryono: Possibly but I would still look into a new hard drive over the longer term
[18:23] <jhutchins_wk> llutz: see also shutdown -Fr
[18:23] <haryono> i turn off computer many time manually because its hang .Is ist problem?
[18:24] <thiyagu> does anyone know where I can find a good download for java vm for version 7.04?
[18:24] <haryono> manually by unplug power cable from the socket is it ok
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> haryono: It could be bad blocks on the hard drive, or it could be a RAM problem.  You should be able to run in 256k, provided you don't open a lot of GUI stuff.
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> !java
[18:25] <thiyagu> great! thx
[18:25] <haryono> What is GUI?
[18:25] <jhutchins_wk> haryono: Hope you have good backups.
[18:25] <RurouniJones> haryono: Graphical User Interface
[18:25] <haryono> how to back ups?
[18:26] <haryono> im newbie
[18:26] <RurouniJones> What is your native language?
[18:26] <haryono> What is the Icons in KDE Manual?
[18:26] <haryono> GUI is
[18:26] <RurouniJones> haryono: Where are you from? What language do you speak
[18:27] <haryono> Indones
[18:28] <RurouniJones> !id | haryono
[18:28] <DaSkreech> RurouniJones: He's probably there already :)
[18:28] <DaSkreech> it's a very quiet chan
[18:28] <RurouniJones> Can't hurt to check
[18:28] <pim_> right now it is
[18:28] <pim_> not always
[18:28] <angasule_> I think it's the middle of the night over there
[18:28] <DaSkreech> hi pim_
[18:29] <pim_> hi
[18:29] <angasule_> what's up with angasule? :/
[18:29] <angasule_> silly nickname won't get dropped
[18:29] <DaSkreech> angasule_: Do you own the name?
[18:30] <angasule_> yeah, I'm a bit puzzled, it doesn't usually take this long for it to get dropped
[18:31] <angasule_> take that, sucker
[18:31] <angasule> :D
[18:32] <thewhitepelican> does anyone use kde4.1 beta 1?
[18:32] <angasule> I do
[18:32] <angasule> thewhitepelican: #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[18:33] <tomcbe> hi
[18:33] <DaSkreech> !ghost | angasule
[18:33] <tomcbe> anyone for frndship
[18:33] <thewhitepelican> sure, why not?
[18:34] <DaSkreech> !myspace
[18:34] <DaSkreech> drat
[18:35] <angasule> DaSkreech: as you can see, I ghosted it already, usually it takes only a minute or two, so I don't bother
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> angasule: Actually, we don't see stuff that has a leading "/", only you see that.
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Really?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> If I don't ghost mine it takes 40 minutes to drop
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> (The "take that, sucker" line above)
[18:36] <angasule> might be the particular server?
[18:37] <angasule> jhutchins_wk: but you could see angasule's quit message, which said 'nick collision from services'
[18:39] <jhutchins_wk> angasule: If I didn't filter join/part messages I wouldn't be able to read this channel.
[18:39] <stdin> jhutchins_wk: you should see #ubuntu
[18:41] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_wk: try #kde
[18:41] <DaSkreech> that's got to be the most verbose quiet channel in history
[18:42] <andrei6200> Random Fortune: Convention organizer to Linus Torvalds: "You might like to come with us  to some licensed[1] place, and have some pizza."  Linus: "Oh, I did not know that you needed a license to eat pizza".  [1] Licenced - refers in Australia to a restaurant which has government  licence to sell liquor. 	-- Linus at a talk at the Melbourne University
[18:43] <Rioting_pacifist> !radeon
[18:43] <Rioting_pacifist> !dri
[18:43] <stdin> andrei6200: don't do that
[18:44] <Rioting_pacifist> are there any howtos for non binary drivers
[18:44] <andrei6200> stdin: just trying out stuff
[18:44] <DaSkreech> apt-tttttttttttttttinsall?
[18:44] <andrei6200> now i know
[18:44] <DaSkreech> bah
[18:45] <DaSkreech> dog
[18:46] <miglo> hi all! I've upgraded to kubuntu 8.04 and have now no sound :-/  does someone have had a similar problem and a possible solution for that  :-)
[18:46] <Rioting_pacifist> miglo: was it working before hardy?
[18:47] <miglo> Rioting_pacifist yes, very well
[18:47] <miglo> I've today removed all the other kernel versions but have still no sound
[18:47] <Rioting_pacifist> check its not muted (i know it sounds stupid but its always worth a shot) by turning EVERY channel to max in amixer
[18:47] <Rioting_pacifist> *alsamixer
[18:48] <angasule> doesn't 8.04 use pulseaudio?
[18:48] <__Adam__> hello - i cant get my microphone to work
[18:48] <Rioting_pacifist> not on kubuntu
[18:48] <DaSkreech> dunno never been clear on if Kubuntu uses it
[18:48] <miglo> checked already all possibilities using alsamixer wihout any success  :-(
[18:48] <__Adam__> thats a lie
[18:49] <__Adam__> i can now get it to work but its really quiet
[18:49] <Rioting_pacifist> in that case unless somebody here knows about sounds issues id recomend #alsa, it may be that your card has been misdetected in the upgrade
[18:50] <miglo> Rioting_pacifist thanks
[18:50] <Rioting_pacifist> man those #alsa guys are gunna start hating me soon
[18:51] <DaSkreech> Rioting_pacifist: buy them kookies
[18:51] <Rioting_pacifist> __Adam__: try turning everything up to max in kmix, even obscure settings
[18:51] <__Adam__> they are all up
[18:51] <__Adam__> icuding the mic boost :s
[18:52] <Rioting_pacifist> i think ill jsut pass the blame on to whoever sent me there when i had problems, its one of the few backend channels that offer really good support, often better than the support found here, depends whos about ofc
[18:52] <DaSkreech> Rioting_pacifist: They need to export it
[18:53] <DaSkreech> get someone to maintain a Wiki or an FAQ
[18:53] <miglo> solved it using KMix  :-)
[18:53] <Rioting_pacifist> so do we tbh, forums are hit and miss and the wiki aint so hot for anything after fiesty
[18:54] <Rioting_pacifist> abscure setting?
[18:54] <DaSkreech> miglo: what was the problem?
[18:54] <Rioting_pacifist> *obscure
[18:54] <DaSkreech> <troll mode> Feisty was the last one worth installing </troll mode>
[18:55] <__Adam__> all up :s
Since feisty all the users are noobs</b></troll>
[18:56] <pim_> Rioting_pacifist maybe you should switch to gentoo or something like that :p
[18:56] <Rioting_pacifist> __Adam__: anything other than volume labels is over my head, try #alsa
[18:56] <__Adam__> kk....
[18:58] <miglo> KMix offers some buttons (looking like lamps/LED's) for tunrning the sound on and off. I've clicked around on all the buttons and additionally pulled every slider to the maximum
[18:58] <Rioting_pacifist> meh gentoo users are noobs with thier ebiulds <actually saw somebody say that once, think it was a slackware user. I do think the wiki could do with some major work though, might start writting my experiences in it even if i dont know much
[18:59] <miglo> ... until I got some sound
[19:01] <miglo> I'm wondering why alsamixer does not have this possibility
[19:01] <Rioting_pacifist> i always though alsamixer was more verbose than kmix, perhaps ill tell everybody to use kmix in future thx
[19:06] <zippah> can someone halp me on an install?
[19:06] <zippah> ./msg me please if you can
[19:06] <mefisto__> what are you installing zippah?
[19:07] <zippah> the latest iso from ubuntu
[19:08] <zippah> it's stalling on a desktop background and a nouse pointer that won't move
[19:08] <miglo> is it possible to mute a certain channel using alsamixer? - didn't found a way until now
[19:08] <drurew> miglo: terminal ?
[19:09] <DaSkreech> zippah: on boot up?
[19:09] <Rioting_pacifist> zippah: its better if people dont message as there may be collective input here, how much ram do you have
[19:09] <mefisto__> miglo: press M to mute. (? key gives you a help screen for using alsamixer)
[19:09] <Rioting_pacifist> m
[19:11] <miglo> cool - have leared again something new :-)  thanks a lot
[19:11] <DaSkreech> miglo: hang out here
[19:11] <DaSkreech> something new comes up everyday
[19:12] <pim_> I started a game which set a certain resolution but it wasn't changed back
[19:12] <pim_> How can I reset this?
[19:12] <zippah> i'm not sure how much ram this box has but it was running win2k that it came with a while gback
[19:13] <zippah> i'm trying the install in the lower res mode and it's still hanging on the desktop background w/mouse pointer not moving
[19:13] <mefisto__> pim_: try this: alt-F2, type krandrtray, then try changing screen size with the icon in the tray
[19:13] <pim_> Thanks mefisto_
[19:15] <zippah> but while it appears stalled, the cd keeps spinning
[19:16] <miglo> pim_ hm, I remember that it is also possible to change the resolution with "ctrl"+"alt"+"+/-"
[19:16] <DaSkreech> zippah: I'll assume you are not on that box now?
[19:16] <mefisto__> miglo: it was possible to do it that way, but doesn't seem to work any more for me
[19:17] <miglo> the "plus" and "minus" sign at the right site of the keyboard
[19:17] <miglo> it still works for me
[19:18] <DaSkreech> miglo: They disabled that for bulletproof X I think
[19:23] <Flare183> !netsplit
[19:24] <zippah> now i have a white rectangle with a curser over the desktop and the curser does not move
[19:28] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: kdedaily broke for me :(
[19:29] <TimS> I get to the login, I can update but logging in just gives a blank screen
[19:30] <PhoenixGI> Hello all
[19:30] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: It just goes grey :(
[19:34] <Lupus-SLE> Hello
[19:34] <Lupus-SLE> I've got some .mkv files here which I'm having a problem playing
[19:34] <Lupus-SLE> In mplayer everythings fine and dandy but the audio won't work in kaffeine
[19:35] <Lupus-SLE> I understand MKV is a container format but I don't know what format it actually contains :/
[19:37] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Try killing plasma, wiping your plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc and restarting it.
[19:37] <TimS> How do I do that?
[19:37] <voici> hi, i have an external monitor attached to my notebook. when i start a video in kaffeine, it shows up on the notebook screen but not on the external monitor. the video stays just black. how would i fix this? tnx
[19:38] <TimS> Something I can do from the update terminal?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:38] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Yep - from the update terminal, do remove ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*
[19:38] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[19:38] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: I did
[19:38] <Lupus-SLE> Many many moons ago
[19:38] <TimS> Cheers SSJ_GZ =]
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Ah Linux needs a Gspot
[19:38] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: np - let me know if it works :)
[19:39] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: It would help more to know the audio codec
[19:39] <Lupus-SLE> Mplayer gaves me this
[19:39] <DaSkreech> !paste
[19:39] <zippah> now the creen just went black
[19:39] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: I know... I've heard of it
[19:39] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Preemptive education :)
[19:40] <DaSkreech> before the full output of a mplayer output gets dumped in the chan
[19:40] <DaSkreech> zippah: press alt+ctrl+f1
[19:40] <Lupus-SLE> I was gonna post 2 lines ¬_¬
[19:40] <Lupus-SLE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19419/
[19:40] <Lupus-SLE> Go
[19:40] <voici> hi, i have an external monitor attached to my notebook. when i start a video in kaffeine, it shows up on the notebook screen but not on the external monitor. the video stays just black. how would i fix this? tnx
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: sorry as this makes me I don't live in your head and so wasn't informed about that :)
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Looks like libxine1-ffmpeg should be good enough
[19:42] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: I would think so too
[19:42] <Lupus-SLE> Except for the fact that's already installed
[19:42] <Lupus-SLE> Along with ffmpeg
[19:42] <Rioting_pacifist> what directories/ scripts affect autostart?
[19:43] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[19:43] <Lupus-SLE> DaSkreech: It's really taxing me
[19:44] <pim> Hey I'm now operating from command line, I'd like to know how I can kill a process from it, since in my gui an app has crashed.
[19:44] <DaSkreech> pim: Which app
[19:44] <Lupus-SLE> It works dandy in mplayer but I can't understand what mplayer has that xine doesn't.
[19:44] <pim> DaSkreech Stronghold Legends with wine
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Lupus-SLE: Libmplayer? :)
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> when i edit files with gedit I alway get a <filename>~ file as well as the one I editted. Is it possible to not have these created?
[19:44] <DaSkreech> pim: Ugh might have to kill wine
[19:44] <DaSkreech> pim: killall wine
[19:45] <pim> ok thanks
[19:45] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: #ubuntu ?
[19:45] <pim> DaSkreech it was no good, it said no app killed
[19:45] <pim> no process killed
[19:46] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: you can switch off making backups in kwrite's options, probably similar in gedit
[19:46] <zippah> my ubuntu install is now stalled on a screen that has the desktop background and a "install" popup window and a curser.  this is the worst install of linux i've ever seen, wtf
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: yeah found it bro
[19:46] <DaSkreech> pim: ps aux | grep wine
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: indeed
[19:47] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: gnome apps are unlikely to be installed by most folks in this chan and Gnome stuff is also notorious amongst KDE fanatics for not having any options so they wouldn't even hazard a guess :)
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: usually they have a similar api, I find #Kubuntu to house the smarter peeps
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: personal experience talking here
[19:49] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Yes I understand But you are talking about an option :) KDE guys wil not step into the world of Gnome Options. It's one of the big diffrentiators
[19:49] <sensae> Well maybe this channel can help me. My BIOS sees both my drives but the Ubuntu server disc only sees one.
[19:49] <dj18881ram> hi
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Having said that I should think that gedit would allow you to turn it off
[19:50] <dj18881ram> alguien de venezuela
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: yeah it does. its REALLY annoying
[19:50] <DaSkreech> sensae: sure one isn't being seen as /dev/hd and another as /dev/sd ?
[19:50] <DaSkreech> es
[19:50] <DaSkreech> !es
[19:50] <sensae> DaSkreech: Well yes. One's PATA and one's SATA
[19:50] <paul> some girls heer..or only ubuntu boys?
[19:50] <paul> heer
[19:50] <costa58> nessuno italiano
[19:50] <paul> here
[19:50] <DaSkreech> !it
[19:50] <paul> and for romanian?
[19:51] <costa58> grazie
[19:51] <DaSkreech> !romania
[19:51] <paul> thanks
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> does anyone use the no-ip duc client?
[19:51] <shadowhywind> hay all a werid and random question, everytime i try to run a program in the background using & , and check it with jobs it says that the program is stopped. anyway to make programs continue running but be in the background?
[19:52] <sensae> DaSkreech: Why would that interfere with the installer seeing them?
[19:52] <DaSkreech> sensae: Dunno just the first thing that came to my mind
[19:52] <pim_> Hm rebooting helped
[19:54] <llutz> jhutchins_wk: sorry, was busy. according "shutdown -F" see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/74139
[19:56] <Rioting_pacifist> ive checked all off KDEs autostarts and compiz isnt there but it still starts with kde :S any ideas
[19:58] <mefisto__> Rioting_pacifist: might be just restoring your last session
[19:58] <Rioting_pacifist> mefisto__: ive disabled session management
[20:00] <Rioting_pacifist> nvm found it its set itself as the defailt window manager
[20:01] <mefisto__> where did you find that, Rioting_pacifist?
[20:01] <Rioting_pacifist> typed env into konsole
[20:08] <caryjebus> odd...
[20:08] <caryjebus> my thermal wont open
[20:11] <pteague_work> how do i make firefox my default browser in kde?
[20:12] <emilsedgh> pteague_work: System Settings->Default Applications
[20:12] <DJG9282> Hi guys...i was playing with the adminstrator mode in the user management...and i created a new person and changed mine to a different name and user folder and now when i try to load it says it cant find some config file and that i must check my installation...any suggestions? does this mean i have to reinstall?
[20:16] <DJG9282> ...
[20:17] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: Probably not just need to sort out your user accounts
[20:18] <DJG9282> yeah but i cannot get into root mode anymore
[20:18] <DJG9282> because i changed it
[20:19] <DaSkreech> you changed root mode?
[20:19] <DJG9282> what i did
[20:19] <DJG9282> is i went into the main root account
[20:19] <DJG9282> because what i wanted to do
[20:19] <DJG9282> was make a separate "internet" account for myself
[20:19] <DJG9282> and not surf under the root account
[20:19] <DaSkreech> The "main" root account ?
[20:20] <DaSkreech> You mean your first user?
[20:20] <DJG9282> yes first user
[20:20] <DaSkreech> ok
[20:20] <DJG9282> so i went in there
[20:20] <DaSkreech> right
[20:20] <DJG9282> and i switched it all up
[20:20] <DaSkreech> why?
[20:20] <DJG9282> i changed the directories
[20:21] <DJG9282> well the reason why i changed the directories was so i could still use the same folders under a new account name
[20:21] <DJG9282> unfortunately...when i tried to get into the first user account
[20:21] <DJG9282> it said "no way"
[20:21] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: Riiight :-)
[20:21] <DaSkreech> can you get into the new account?
[20:21] <DJG9282> nope
[20:22] <DJG9282> i am on my wife's right now
[20:22] <DaSkreech> ok
[20:22] <DaSkreech> does she have admin rights?
[20:23] <JuJuBee> I can't seem to install the flash player/plugin for Firefox.  Any suggestions? Kubuntu 8.04 Kde 4
[20:23] <DJG9282> nope...i didn't give it to her because i was afraid she'd ruin the system hehe whoops
[20:23] <pteague_work> is there somewhere i can look to see what user apps get started at boot?
[20:23] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: install flashpugin-nonfree
[20:24] <DJG9282> going to have to fresh install huh?
[20:24] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: Do you have a live CD?
[20:24] <DJG9282> yes i do
[20:24] <JuJuBee> I tried.
[20:24] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: And?
[20:25] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: actually you can just reboot into maintenance mode and fix it
[20:25] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: But lets do the Live CD :0
[20:25] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[20:25] <DaSkreech> You are going to chroot and fix it
[20:25] <JuJuBee> It claims it is installed but when I go to adobe the initial page  has  swf that doesn't play, When i click on it, it tells me to get the latest player
[20:25] <DJG9282> ok how would i do that?
[20:25] <DaSkreech> DJG9282: I'm running out but once you get the live CD up ask someone here how to mount your drive and chroot into it
[20:26] <DaSkreech> I think anyone who knows that much can help you fix back your machine
[20:26] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: restarted Firefox?
[20:26] <DJG9282> ok thanks
[20:26] <JuJuBee> of coures
[20:26] <JuJuBee> many times
[20:27] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: does /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so exist?
[20:28] <JuJuBee> yes
[20:29] <JuJuBee> so does ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[20:29] <DaSkreech> do you have rigths to it
[20:29] <JuJuBee> in ~/.mozilla yes... in /usr yes...
[20:31] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: in firefox, navigate to about:plugins and see if "shockwave flash" is listed
[20:32] <JuJuBee> yes
[20:32] <DJG9282> Is it easier to get my OS up and running again through the live CD and chroot or through maintenace mode...not really experienced with this whole linux thing...anyone have suggestions?
[20:34] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: but no flash works? eg youtube?
[20:34] <JuJuBee> correct
[20:35] <JuJuBee> I just purged all flash from adept still about says flash installed ???
[20:36] <JuJuBee> Somtin fishy ...
[20:36]  * xubuntu bye
[20:37] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: you've removed flashplugin-nonfree, and restarted firefox, but flashplugin is still in about:plugins in firefox? is that right?
[20:37] <JuJuBee> Yes
[20:39] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: do you still have libflashplayer.so anywhere?
[20:41] <JuJuBee> Hmm, in .mozilla... removed now ok
[20:42] <JuJuBee> Wow, that was very weird. after I removed from .mozilla... reinstalled everything worked...  Thanks
[20:43] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: maybe it was conflicting versions of the plugin?
[20:43] <shampoonator> mmh hi there, i have  a little problem, i played around with kmix a bit.. and now my microphone does not work anymore with teamspeak (and wow)
[20:44] <JuJuBee> Guess so...
[20:44] <shampoonator> any idea what it could be? if i select the green dot and the red dot in kmix i can hear myseld speaking, but not in teamspeak aso
[20:44] <shampoonator> i use aoss for wow btw..
[20:45] <JuJuBee> What's up with icons on a kde4 desktop?  They have a dark shadow/box around them... kind of annoying
[20:55] <rohan> hi, i enabled compiz using the desktop effects applet. now my alt-tab is really really weird. it used to show a list of windows first, now it juts cycles through them randomly
[20:55] <rohan> also, alt-tab doesn't cycle through minimized windows. what could be the problem?
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> rohan: Check in #compiz
[20:56] <Rioting_pacifist> how to i set KDEWM=kwin ?
[20:56] <tdela> wow, kubuntu kde 4 looks slick, is that the default desktop for kubuntu?
[20:56] <rohan_> DAMN my net.
[20:57] <rohan_> hi, i enabled compiz using the desktop effects applet. now my alt-tab is really really weird. it used to show a list of windows first, now it juts cycles through them randomly. also, alt-tab doesn't cycle through minimized windows. what could be the problem?
[20:58] <jla> hola.
[20:58] <Rioting_pacifist> rohan: thats the compiz alt-tab there is no way to use a kde style one in compiz AFAIK, you can change the settings for it in ccsm tho
[20:58] <Rioting_pacifist> !es
[20:58] <jla> ok..
[20:58] <rohan> Rioting_pacifist: yes, but i've deleted all instances of compiz. i've disabled desktop settings too
[20:59] <Rioting_pacifist> have you tried kwin --replace
[20:59] <rohan> Rioting_pacifist: ok, i just tried it and it crashed whatever window manager i had
[21:00] <savetheWorld> Hi all- looking at at kubuntu 8.04, and I was wondering if anyone had a feeling for how much resources it consumes compared to 6.06 (Dapper)
[21:00] <Rioting_pacifist> rohan: it should then load up kwin
[21:00] <savetheWorld> in otehr words - if I move to it, will it run fatser than my current desktop, orslower?
[21:00] <savetheWorld> *faster
[21:08] <savetheWorld> _CrashMaster_: did you read the question i asked?
[21:08] <savetheWorld> _CrashMaster_: I knew as soon as you wanted to know what hardware I was running that you had IRC disease # 3. :-)
[21:08] <engineer> wtf
[21:08] <rohan> this compiz shit is really best left to gnome
[21:08] <engineer> compiz works like a charm here
[21:08] <rohan> Rioting_pacifist: ok, i'm definitely sure i'm using compiz. anything else for me to check?
[21:08] <savetheWorld> IRC disease #3 = "I dont know the answer to the question you asked but I want to say something so badly I will instead answer a question That I will make up, and I will pretend it answers the question you asked."
[21:08] <Nece228> Compiz actually is designed for gtk2 (gnome)
[21:08] <_CrashMaster_> savetheWorld: Turns out I actually have disease numbers 1,3,6, and 42.
[21:09] <savetheWorld> Does anyone know if Heron will run faster or Slower than Dapper when run on the same hardware?
[21:09] <Rioting_pacifist> depends
[21:10] <_CrashMaster_> savetheWorld: Or, perhaps, I don't have the answer to your question, so I will ask further question in an attempt to draw more information from you, possibly leading me the answers you're looking for. If you believe that Im wasting your time, then just politely decline my assistance and move on to the next person trying to help you.
[21:10] <savetheWorld> Rioting_pacifist: Assume same hardware and same mix of applications and usage.
[21:10] <savetheWorld> Rioting_pacifist: any other factors?
[21:11] <Rioting_pacifist> without benchmarking i cant tell id guess it would run faster if you have a proprietry driver other than that itll be about the same
[21:11] <wayneandleanne> whats the best way to encode to h.264 using dv:rip, anybody know?
[21:11] <savetheWorld> Rioting_pacifist: OK, thanks
[21:12] <Rioting_pacifist> savetheWorld: if you use firefox for many people firefox3 is faster, but konqueror is faster than both anyway
[21:13] <savetheWorld> how id ff doing on memory leaks?
[21:13] <savetheWorld> *is ff3
[21:14] <Rioting_pacifist> much better than ff2
[21:15] <coucouf> yes, there is a big difference
[21:15] <savetheWorld> good.   sounds like Heron may be an improvement for me.
[21:15] <savetheWorld> Thanks.
[21:16] <engineer> savetheWorld great
[21:16] <coucouf> I currently stays under 200 Mo/week, whereas I used to reach 500 Mo and close it
[21:16] <coucouf> *It currently
[21:16] <engineer> i could say now the problem are the extensions
[21:20] <Lemonade[and]Fud> Hello guys, i was told that i could use "/whatever /whatever none bind 0 0" in fstab to mount a drive i already have mounted, but in a seperate location, with fstab. but when i doo mount -a i get this "mount: not a catalog" why is that?
[21:24] <Nece228> is possible to install edubuntu add on cd progs to kubuntu?
[21:26] <igor> alguem fala portugues?
[21:26] <coucouf> i just tried with "/olddir /newdir none bind" and it works fine
[21:27] <engineer> igor talvez
[21:27] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: should work that way, i use it for several mounts here
[21:28] <Lemonade[and]Fud> llutz : can you take a look at my fstab and see if you see any errors?
[21:28] <llutz> !paste | Lemonade[and]Fud
[21:28] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: paste it there ^^
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> #
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # /dev/sda1
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> UUID=b59595f0-dce8-4d96-beb0-ea487ba06104 /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> # /dev/sda5
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> UUID=e8fd4c47-e732-49d3-856c-733beade40b9 none            swap    sw              0       0
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> not everything got in
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> wait
[21:29] <coucouf> not here the paste !!!
[21:29] <llutz> !paste | Lemonade[and]Fud use this
[21:29] <Lemonade[and]Fud> ah sry
[21:30] <Lemonade[and]Fud> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19455/
[21:31] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: change last line: /media/disk /home/bastu/downloads/media    none    bind    0 0
[21:31] <llutz> Lemonade[and]Fud: you have to use the mountpoint not the device for that bind
[21:31] <Lemonade[and]Fud> nope, the same
[21:31] <Lemonade[and]Fud> ah
[21:31] <coucouf> on line 13, you souldn't use the device "/dev/sdc" but the already mounted folder
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> ahh.. kk
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> that should be it
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> thanks
[21:32] <coucouf> that's it, I'm too slow :)
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> hehe
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> :)
[21:32] <Lemonade[and]Fud> thanks guys, no error
[21:34] <JuJuBee> How do I automount an ntfs partition when kubuntu boots?  I keep my music library on the ntfs drive and want it available for Amarok.
[21:35] <JuJuBee> Should I just put an entry in /etc/fstab ? or another way?
[21:35] <llutz> fstab is the place
[21:35] <JuJuBee> K
[21:37] <JuJuBee> What is the easiest way to figure out what /def/??? the ntfs partition is?
[21:37] <llutz> sudo fdisk -l|grep ntfs
[21:41] <mefisto__> make that grep -i or grep NTFS
[21:41] <JuJuBee> got it, thanks
[21:42] <JuJuBee> does hardy use ntfs-3g?
[21:42] <tzd> if a bug is reported and there's a solution then that should be stated in the header right? I mean, where can i see if the issue has been resolved please?
[21:42] <JuJuBee> trying to figure out what to put into fstab  /dev/sdb1 /mnt/winxp ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 ?
[21:43] <tekgeeklt> I have a few little issues right now but one that is very annoying is that I can not resize any windows ... I get the little arrow on the corner of any window but I can not click and drag them .. but I can hit maximize and that works
[21:43] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: yes it uses ntfs-3g. look in kmenu > system for NTFS configuration tool. It set up my fstab automatically
[21:44] <tzd> JuJuBee: I'm pretty sure ntfs-3g should be just ntfs in fstab... the other options i can't remember though :/
[21:44] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: also, it's better to make the mountpoint in /media instead of /mnt
[21:45] <JuJuBee> no ntfs tool using kde4 and ok will use media
[21:48] <JuJuBee> weird, when I mount it I can ls using cli and see everything, but when I use Dolphin, I cannot even see /media/WINXP
[21:49] <JuJuBee> Konqueror works though
[21:50] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: what about media:/ in dolphin? does that work?
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> JuJuBee: How are you mounting it?
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> JuJuBee: I think you may be mounting it with root access only.
[21:50] <tzd> does anyone know if the issue with: ... NetworkManager: <WARN> nm_dbus_init() ... at shutdown/reboot has been fixed please? I've seen a lot of reported cases but only seen 1 workaround that won't do it for me :/
[21:51] <JuJuBee> Funny, after restarting Dolphin a couple of times it works.  KDE4 seems a bit buggy still
[21:52] <sorin> hi guys !
[21:52] <bittin> Hello sorin
[21:52] <JuJuBee> Yipeeeee, my music is back...
[21:53] <sorin> after every shootsown , y x86_64 kubuntu 8-04 remain without 3D accel
[21:53] <sorin> any ideea ?
[21:53] <sorin> sorry
[21:54] <sorin> after every shootdown the graphic driver is disapearing
[21:54] <adz21c> sorin: which driver is this?
[21:55] <sorin> it works fine ,with compiz , with  games
[21:55] <sorin> nvidia glx new
[21:55] <adz21c> your using the deb?
[21:56] <sorin> i use kubuntu x86_64 and that driver is the one from adept manager
[21:57] <adz21c> yes then. well thats what i use and i have no issues. When you say the driver disappears, what happens exactly?
[21:57] <sorin> black screen after boot
[21:58] <engineer> unplugged monitor?
[21:58] <Dannilion> Can anyone help? I was just watching a css-encrypted DVD using Kaffeine. Get to DVD 2, and it complains that it can't decrypt it, when it just managed the first DVD. I'm on Hardy. Any ideas?
[21:58] <sorin> is loading kubuntu welcome screen and after that nothing to say just a black screen
[21:59] <engineer> sorin reinstall kdm
[21:59] <engineer> or reconfigure your xorg
[21:59] <sorin>  ok i try to do this
[22:00] <sorin> because with safe recovery mode is working with generic nv driver i install the 3D driver ,but at first shootdown ,black screen again
[22:05] <Dannilion> Ahh... got it :) Was an error in the Kaffeine xine settings (was pointing to /dev/dvd instead of /dev/dvd1
[22:06] <Hispa> Hola
[22:09] <jessica_> i need help getting my webcam working in ubuntu its the Trust Webcam WB-1400T
[22:09] <jessica_> i beleve it needs the gcpca driver
[22:10] <engineer> tried loading that driver?
[22:11] <jessica_> yes i dont think kubuntu has it (im using gutsy)
[22:12] <Haza> Evening folks. just a quick question. Does kubuntu has the same sort of software that allows me to see what processes are eating cpu and ram (like windows task manager)
[22:12] <engineer> ksysguard
[22:12] <tzd> Haza: try ctrl + esc
[22:12] <Haza> Ahhhh
[22:12] <Haza> Thats it! :D
[22:12] <Haza> Cheers!
[22:13] <tzd> np ;)
[22:13]  * Haza has finally made the final move to all linux recently ;)
[22:13] <Haza> I stared by moving over the server then decided to move over for my daily use lappy
[22:13] <Haza> Amazing...!
[22:13] <jessica_> dose anyone know how to get the gcpca installed
[22:13] <Haza> *started
[22:13] <engineer> modprobe gcpca
[22:14] <jessica_> thanks
[22:14] <tzd> hehe yeah i've recently went all linux too... formatted my old ntfs drives ;P
[22:14] <jessica_> FATAL: Module gcpca not found.
[22:14] <Haza> My only problem is im starting to think that Kubuntu will auto complete everything for me. Even IRC conversation :)
[22:15] <engineer> jessica_ http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[22:15] <caryjebus> werid
[22:15]  * adz21c wishes he could go all linux but enjoys gaming too much ... thinks maybe he should mail bomb game devs till they start using opengl etc
[22:15] <jessica_> oo i spelt it wrong god i feel so noobish
[22:15] <engineer> ...
[22:15] <engineer> sudo modprobe by the way
[22:16] <jessica_> i spelt it gcpca its gspca
[22:16] <pteague_work> could somebody please tell me how to get the taskbar to put some sort of border around each of the window tabs?
[22:16] <jessica_> ok thanks
[22:17] <coucouf> no problem, noobs are affectionate animals ^^
[22:18] <tzd> pteague_work: righ click panel - > adjust panel ... -> activity field - > Look: classic
[22:18] <tzd> pteague_work: that's freely translated by the way so don't take the "titles" too seriously ;)
[22:19] <caryjebus> adz
[22:19] <caryjebus> heard of somethg called
[22:19] <caryjebus> WINE, Cedega!!!
[22:19] <caryjebus> >_<
[22:19] <adz21c> yea they are ok, but they dont do all games
[22:19] <adz21c> cedege i stopped using, i was getting no where with it, so i cancelled subscription etc
[22:20] <adz21c> wine is ok, particularly with my old games
[22:20] <adz21c> but some of them (splinter cell for example) it fails
[22:20] <caryjebus> then use virtualization or emulation]
[22:20] <adz21c> for splinter cell? how .....
[22:20] <pteague_work> tzd: k, i found it in configure panel -> taskbar -> appearance -> classic ... thanks for info though, i scanned past that earlier & didn't notice it
[22:21] <caryjebus> and who gets cedega that way? ;)
[22:21] <tzd> pteague_work: thank for the proper translation :)
[22:21] <caryjebus> IDK... can somehere explan how to virtalize windows?
[22:21] <adz21c> it wont work
[22:22] <adz21c> i got windows virtualised
[22:22] <adz21c> for the odd desktop app i need
[22:22] <adz21c> it cant even run star trek armada (4mb graphics card and 32mb of ram)
[22:22] <engineer> omg
[22:23] <engineer> i could run that here
[22:23] <adz21c> well i play that via wine, but virtualised windows can;t play it
[22:24] <adz21c> so if virtualised windows can't play star trek armada its got no hope with games such as splinter cell
[22:24] <caryjebus> :\
[22:24] <adz21c> thus, for the odd game i still need a windows install, but wine is getting better
[22:25] <adz21c> star trek legacy worked straight out, no messing
[22:25] <adz21c> hl2 seems fine as well
[22:25] <tzd> I've got a problem with Fuppes autostart after a fresh install. For some reason it won't start at boot. Before reinstalling kubuntu hardy it worked perfectly?
[22:25] <caryjebus> only one game of mine dosnt work with cedega or wine
[22:25] <caryjebus> :\
[22:26] <massimo> join #ubuntu
[22:26] <adz21c> well i have a couple, but tbh i don't game that much and ones i tend to play do work with wine, but for example the new splinter cell is out later this year so i will need a windows install for that, but once i completed it i doubt i will log into windows for a while
[22:29] <kyle__> hello?
[22:30] <kyle__> I have a question about wine, original half life, kubuntu
[22:31] <adz21c> kyle__: just ask and someone will answer if they know
[22:31] <rickest> ask so we can find out if someone can help or not
[22:32] <kyle__> when I try to play in full screen it goes to the loading screen.  I can hear all the sound from the game but it never gets past the loading screen.
[22:32] <kyle__> when I run it windowed, it shuts down when i click new game.
[22:33] <rickest> kyle__: really the original original game or are you playing it through steam now?
[22:33] <kyle__> original
[22:34] <rickest> kyle__: Google might be able to help with that but most guides nowadays are for steam
[22:34] <adz21c> kyle__: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=8 this may hold some answers, it seems to get good ratings so i would imagine it should would great, but that might have bug reports etc that might help u
[22:34] <kyle__> thats the problem i have been running into
[22:35] <rickest> kyle__: have you tried the winedb database. may be some old entries left in there
[22:35] <kyle__> checking it out now, thank you for all your help
[22:36] <rickest> good luck, kinda tough to solve
[22:36] <Fingertip> While installing from CD, kubuntu fails to recognize my screen, so it ends up logging in a prompt.
[22:37] <Fingertip> Same for trying to run it straight from the CD
[22:38] <Haza> Hmm, can i not use a wildcard character (/home/user/*) with scp to download the entire directory?
[22:39] <jussi01> how does one list all the users and groups from the command line?
[22:39] <manolis> hello all
[22:39] <Fingertip> hi
[22:41] <sorin> thank you for your time guys !
[22:41] <sorin> imy problem is solved now
[22:42] <sorin> i have 3d after complet shootdown
[22:43] <engineer> shutdown*
[22:43] <sorin> in bios : aperture size in sistem memory was set at 256mb
[22:44] <sorin> i must set to 512mb and is working now
[22:44] <jals> how does one go about changing the bitrate k3b rips at
[22:44] <sorin> same thing in 8-04 x86 and x86_64
[22:46] <sorin> engineer: thank you again ! shutdown is corect ! lol
[22:48] <Haza> This might be a daft question but.... ive used scp to upload files to a remote machine before... how might i use scp to download files from a remote machine?
[22:48] <rickest> Haza: change the order of the args;   scp remote_host:path/to/files/* .
[22:49] <Haza> rickest: Ahhh, Cheers i will give it a try. :)
[22:49] <Haza> rickest: Perfect. Thank you
[22:50] <rickest> Haza: np
[22:51] <ign0ramus> Hey all.  Still looking for a Parental Controls app (web filtering, mainly) that doesn't require using a server.  Any thoughts?
[22:51] <rickest> Haza: you can even mix & match multiple srcs, local and remote, to one dest; i.e.,  scp host1:somefile somefile2 host2:path/to/foo host3:    # puts somefile, somefiles2, and foo on host3
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> hey all, can someone suggest a web based jukebox app that wil play music on the server and not stream it to the client system?
[22:57] <hollemolle> Hi, anyone knows how to set the vpnc.conf so that it doesnt use the vpn tunnel for my private network?
[22:58] <hollemolle> and for one more network, all the others should go through vpn
[22:59] <Fingertip> Should I have any problems with a plug and play monitor?
[23:00] <Fingertip> For some reason kubunto won't open up a windowing system when I install...
[23:00] <Fingertip> And it just shows me a command prompt.
[23:03] <mike_> wats new peps
[23:06] <ign0ramus> fingertip: what version are you installing?
[23:08] <Guest51033> anyone know how i can get my sound working im using realtek hd hardware
[23:15] <ign0ramus> guest51033: are you using a laptop? if so, what brand and model?
[23:18] <Mr-Imacdaddy> i need to register ?
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> !register | Mr-Imacdaddy
[23:21] <Mr-Imacdaddy> im trying to find info on joining a ssl irc room using konverstion, or is their another irc client i can use? i never used kubuntu before, i just installed it, trying to keep away from windows
[23:30] <shane__> hello
[23:30] <Haza> Okay, another question :) What command do i want to do some reading on to seach for files on my HD?
[23:30] <Haza> shane__: Hello :)
[23:30] <shane__> i am having an isue and hoping someone can help
[23:31] <shane__> i am trying to burn a dvd i k3b and at 695 mb it exceeds the disk space,the size of dvd is 4.7 gb
[23:31] <shane__> i have done this before and the size should fit it is .avi
[23:32] <shane__> iv had this prob before in microsoft and had to switch burners nero worked
[23:32] <shane__> what might work well in kubuntu
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> shane__: there is nero linux...
[23:33] <shane__> is it a add remove program or do i need to googlee it and try the install manualy
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> shane__: well, i don't think it is free...
[23:34] <awag> my power went out today, and when i rebooted my computer everything was fine except that amarok is now refusing to play mp3
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> shane__: the file is 700 mb? and it won't fit on a 4 gb dvd?
[23:34] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok so i dont want that then ill search out a freeware
[23:34] <Colonel_Panic> something strange has happened when I upgraded to Hardy
[23:34] <awag> i've reinstalled amarok as well as w32codecs and stuff
[23:34] <engineer> awag that bastard
[23:35] <shane__> it is 695 mb and wont go on a 4.7gb
[23:35] <awag> engineer: yes :)
[23:35] <shane__> Odd-rationale: it is 695 mb and wont go on a 4.7gb
[23:35] <Colonel_Panic> whenever I try to watch YouTube videos or any other Flash-enabled content, the first few seconds will play and then it stops
[23:35] <Odd-rationale> shane__: that is strange, i have burned a 800 mb file to a dvd...
[23:35] <Odd-rationale> with k3b.
[23:35] <Colonel_Panic> I noticed that Firefox was upgraded to version 3
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> is this a special issue with FF or should I reinstall the Flash plugin?
[23:36] <engineer> Colonel_Panic fx3 is in the repositories a while back
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> fx3?
[23:36] <engineer> reinstall it
[23:36] <engineer> yes, fox 3
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> reinstall Firefox?
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> OK
[23:36] <shane__> Odd-rationale: i know thats where im gettin frustrated i had this also with one of the burns in micro
[23:36] <engineer> no
[23:36] <engineer> reinstall flash
[23:36] <engineer> no fox
[23:36] <Colonel_Panic> oh ok
[23:37] <engineer> not*
[23:37] <Colonel_Panic> what's the name of the package?
[23:37] <Colonel_Panic> sudo apt-get install flash?
[23:37] <engineer> sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree
[23:38] <engineer> i think this is the one
[23:38] <Colonel_Panic> ok thx will try
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> Reading package lists... Done
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> Building dependency tree
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> Reading state information... Done
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> E: Couldn't find package flash-nonfree
[23:39] <BluesKaj> !flash | Colonel_Panic
[23:39] <engineer> flashplugin-nonfree
[23:39] <Colonel_Panic> ok thx
[23:39] <BluesKaj> flashplugin-nonfree
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> 
[23:40] <Colonel_Panic> hymmm...
[23:40] <engineer> sudo apt-get install reinstall
[23:41] <Colonel_Panic> yeah it says that's not a valid operation
[23:41] <engineer> --reinstall
[23:41] <Neuer> Hello. I have a probleme with my Sound. I'm useing Hardy Kubuntu and the soundchip is SI7012. The probleme is, no sound works, but if I start amarok it does for that, though I cann't let 2 programms run at the same time
[23:41] <engineer> man apt-get
[23:41] <engineer> ffs
[23:42] <engineer> Neuer you need arts
[23:42] <sima> kooo
[23:43] <BluesKaj> Neuer, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[23:44] <Neuer> It is activated.
[23:44] <BluesKaj> Neuer, then in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM, Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'
[23:45] <Neuer> Is
[23:45] <BluesKaj> ok try , sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart in the terminal
[23:46] <Neuer> I guess the probs is with my TV-Card. I had a similar prob with feisty but got that fixed. Under Hardy somehow the steps have no effect.
[23:46] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[23:46] <BluesKaj> Neuer, I have to ask the obvious , do you have the ctrls in alsamixer up to 71% or so ?
[23:47] <sm7xab> Hi! I've been trying to get an NVidia card working with NVidia binary drivers on Kubuntu 8.04. This seems to be an impossible task on this distribution. Does anyone have a link or so with good documentation?
[23:47] <BluesKaj> !nVidia
[23:48] <Neuer> if you meen the volume settings, nop up to 100
[23:49] <BluesKaj> Neuer,don't go over 71% ...you'll just overdrive the amp inputs
[23:49] <BluesKaj> Neuer, open kmix and enable Master & PCM on the output tab , then CD & IEC playback (if listed) in the Input tab , next make sure Mix & IEC958 are enabled in the Switches tab , then click on Settings/Configure Kmix and apply
[23:49] <vom> hi all, does anyone know anything about windows moving to different workspaces on their own accord in hardy (i.e. firefox when link is clicked in akregator)
[23:50] <vom> ive looked at launchpad and kubuntu/ubuntu forums and only found one message (without an answer)
[23:51] <BluesKaj> vom, could you explain more clearly ....what "exactly' is happening ?
[23:52] <vom> BluesKaj: yes, lets say firefox is open in workspace 2, and akregator in workspace 3 (i have 6 in the pager)
[23:52] <vom> when i click on a link in akregator, it opens in firefox
[23:52] <Neuer> doesn't work
[23:53] <vom> BUT firefox moves from ws 2 to 3 (follows akregator)
[23:53] <vom> this happens with kopete too
[23:53] <BluesKaj> that's cuz you have FF as the default browser globally
[23:54] <vom> BluesKaj: indeed i do
[23:54] <vom> but still why is it changing desktops and not staying put ?
[23:54] <vom> this didnt happen in < hardy
[23:55] <vom> should i change the default browser back to default and hardcode it in akregator ?
[23:55] <BluesKaj> beyond me vom , sorry ...don't use several desktops
[23:55] <vom> BluesKaj: thanks anyway
[23:56] <shane__> Odd-rationale: ok how about this i used it as new data dvd will this play in the dvd player now
[23:56] <vom> hmm hardcoding it makes it not move anymore
[23:56] <vom> now to beat on kopete
[23:57] <gokorn> how to upgrade from 3.5 to 4.1 kde?
[23:57] <BluesKaj> Neuer, you could try installing libk3b2-mp3 and libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:58] <caryjebus>  is there a progam for mounting ISOS in linux
[23:58] <sm7xab> Is there a way to disable the start X in safe mode thingy? I prefer to get a nice black console if X doesn't start. Easier to handle.