| linuxmonkey | hi guys | 01:31 |
|---|---|---|
| linuxmonkey | no one alive tonnight? | 01:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | nobody actually talks in here, its weird | 01:44 |
| linuxmonkey | wow | 01:44 |
| Old_Soldier | lol yeah ive seen it go 24+ hours without someone talking | 01:45 |
| linuxmonkey | ive been away for over a year and came back and this place used to have chatter all the time | 01:45 |
| linuxmonkey | now im spooked | 01:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | well youre just in time, because the chatter will be picking up again | 01:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | we're trying to start on an overhaul of the wiki | 01:46 |
| linuxmonkey | cool | 01:46 |
| Old_Soldier | lol the invasion of ubuntu-doc by the beginner team will make it noisy in here | 01:46 |
| linuxmonkey | considering im still listed active on wiki team I may as well be | 01:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | linuxmonkey, are you on the ubuntu-doc mailing list? | 01:47 |
| Old_Soldier | we've already made the mailing list get a bit more busy | 01:47 |
| linuxmonkey | oh yeah i am Rocket2DMn just got to remember my login to the email its all sent to | 01:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | when was the last time you checked it? | 01:48 |
| linuxmonkey | well eons ago. like i said i just got back | 01:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | wow, there's gonna be a lot of email in there for you | 01:48 |
| linuxmonkey | im sure of it | 01:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | linuxmonkey, in short, a handful of members from the Ubunut Forums Beginners Team are going to be helping the doc team | 01:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | a few of us are already here, a few more will show up later, after we have a meeting | 01:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | later = a week or so | 01:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | we are really pushing to get the online documentation up to date, and cleaning out old and incomplete documentation | 01:52 |
| linuxmonkey | ok cool | 01:53 |
| linuxmonkey | i got 4k emails.wow | 01:53 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah, it's gonna be intense | 01:53 |
| Old_Soldier | lol 4K emails. masss delete! | 01:54 |
| linuxmonkey | I keep it all | 01:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | seriously, though you may want to read some from the last week or so | 01:54 |
| linuxmonkey | Gmail. why not.lol they automatically get tagged | 01:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | a fair amount of mail going back and forth between Matthew East, Charles Davis, and me (Connor Imes) | 01:55 |
| linuxmonkey | i see that | 01:56 |
| linuxmonkey | i feel like such a new guy, havent done anything for over a year | 01:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | thats ok, there is no shortage of things to do | 01:58 |
| linuxmonkey | i can see that, its like ridding a bike, after a while of not riding one you may crash a few times however someone is always willing to show you again how its done. | 02:00 |
| linuxmonkey | Rocket2DMn: do you see my reply to the email? | 02:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | got it linuxmonkey | 02:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | im about to email out about what i did today | 02:10 |
| linuxmonkey | i really have to change the email address I use. used to be KDE only but have since been using gnome and kde but mostly gnome | 02:10 |
| linuxmonkey | cool | 02:10 |
| Old_Soldier | added to my address book :) | 02:12 |
| linuxmonkey | what do you use for your email? just use web or program on linux> | 02:13 |
| Old_Soldier | i use evolution | 02:15 |
| linuxmonkey | its what i was thinking of using :) | 02:15 |
| linuxmonkey | now im in trouble, Old_Soldier added me to his address book | 02:24 |
| seisen | you better run for the hills | 02:26 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah really, maybe i should | 02:27 |
| linuxmonkey | but i cant do that ive been away for too long | 02:27 |
| linuxmonkey | its gonna take me a year to read all my emails.lol | 02:33 |
| seisen | wow | 02:33 |
| linuxmonkey | i got 19539 emails | 02:34 |
| seisen | ya I think the most I ever had was 450 | 02:34 |
| linuxmonkey | this is what happens when you leave for a year+ | 02:34 |
| Old_Soldier | lol thats ok linuxmonkey i'll just bug Matthew and Dougie | 02:36 |
| Old_Soldier | nickellery is safe now that I'm Dougie's padawan | 02:36 |
| Old_Soldier | though i'll still pick his brains :) | 02:37 |
| linuxmonkey | Old_Soldier: feel free to bug me too. I may not be as much help as them but it my trigger my memory | 02:37 |
| Old_Soldier | will do :) | 02:38 |
| Old_Soldier | mostly right now im struggling with bzr. i've submitted a few patches but keeping my private copy of the doc branch in sync is confusing me | 02:39 |
| linuxmonkey | keep struggling | 02:40 |
| Old_Soldier | earlier today i gave up and deleted my lp branch redownloaded the main branch and applied only the patches that i wanted. | 02:41 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 02:41 |
| seisen | hey at least bzr is faster now before hardy was released it was slow as mollassas | 02:42 |
| Old_Soldier | i couldnt do a pull because i had my own revisions | 02:42 |
| * Old_Soldier shrugs | 02:42 | |
| * linuxmonkey is lost beyond thoughts | 02:42 | |
| Old_Soldier | i'll learn the hard way (or ask Dougie to walk me through it) | 02:42 |
| Old_Soldier | hey linuxmonkey at least when you start going it will come back to you. its not like you are fresh meat here | 02:43 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah right...lol im old beat up meat | 02:44 |
| seisen | ewwww!!!!!!! | 02:44 |
| linuxmonkey | and memory..well being forced to use windows for over a year. torture | 02:44 |
| Old_Soldier | linuxmonkey: then you can work on the switching from windows docs | 02:51 |
| Old_Soldier | hehe the pain is fresh in your mind and you remember stuff! | 02:51 |
| linuxmonkey | after banging my head so hard i dont think i remember much.lol | 02:55 |
| linuxmonkey | Rocket2DMn: you there? | 02:56 |
| linuxmonkey | man i just realized i no longer have my pgp key :( | 03:01 |
| Old_Soldier | oh man that bites | 03:02 |
| linuxmonkey | very | 03:03 |
| Old_Soldier | do you have a revocation key stashed? | 03:03 |
| linuxmonkey | i got nothing, the flash drive i had it all on got ruined when it got ran over by a steam roller | 03:03 |
| Old_Soldier | been there. not a steamroller... but yeah | 03:04 |
| Old_Soldier | just make new keys and put them on LP | 03:05 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah i got to, but man its a pain | 03:05 |
| linuxmonkey | u wanna laught? Old_Soldier | 03:06 |
| Old_Soldier | sure man i'm always good for a laugh | 03:09 |
| linuxmonkey | https://launchpad.net/~linuxmonkey\ | 03:11 |
| linuxmonkey | oops | 03:11 |
| linuxmonkey | https://launchpad.net/~linuxmonkey | 03:11 |
| linuxmonkey | check that out, that dates to like 2 years ago | 03:12 |
| Old_Soldier | hey it just looks like a page that hasn't been touched in two years :) | 03:15 |
| linuxmonkey | lol yea | 03:15 |
| linuxmonkey | but see me with the tatoo | 03:15 |
| linuxmonkey | its 100% real not fake | 03:15 |
| Old_Soldier | cool | 03:17 |
| linuxmonkey | anyways time for me to watch some tv, afk :) | 03:19 |
| Old_Soldier | later man take care | 03:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | did you need something linuxmonkey ? | 03:27 |
| linuxmonkey | Rocket2DMn: just a slap accross the head | 03:28 |
| * Rocket2DMn slaps linuxmonkey | 03:28 | |
| linuxmonkey | also reading the msg you had sent about the wiki | 03:29 |
| Rocket2DMn | ah, ok | 03:29 |
| linuxmonkey | i got a homepage but its not linked on help.ubuntu wich is good | 03:29 |
| Rocket2DMn | thats good | 03:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | i think what happens is some people put their names which autocreates a link, then somebody clicks on it and tries to create apage b/c it says page does not exist | 03:30 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 03:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | other people must have used some other system, b/c a lot of the pages i ran across looked the same | 03:31 |
| linuxmonkey | I need to re-do my openpgp key :( i lost my original | 03:32 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok goin afk for dinner, bbl | 03:34 |
| Old_Soldier | let us know when you get it back up on LP linuxmonkey | 03:35 |
| Old_Soldier | I like to keep my keyring up to date in case people sign their list messages | 03:35 |
| linuxmonkey | let me redo my pgp, ill also need to resign the COC :( | 03:36 |
| linuxmonkey | I just updated my email, since im doing my pgp key anyways. | 03:46 |
| linuxmonkey | whats the pgp keyserver we should use? | 03:58 |
| linuxmonkey | nvm think i got it | 03:59 |
| linuxmonkey | Old_Soldier: wassup | 04:21 |
| linuxmonkey | Ive just updated my key all over as well as my email :) | 04:22 |
| Old_Soldier | cool | 04:22 |
| Old_Soldier | you been a busy monkey lol! | 04:22 |
| linuxmonkey | now i forget what to back up | 04:22 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 04:23 |
| linuxmonkey | so that this never happens again | 04:23 |
| Old_Soldier | back up your keyring and export your complete key too | 04:25 |
| linuxmonkey | ok well u got me there. havent dont that in ages | 04:25 |
| linuxmonkey | done* | 04:25 |
| Old_Soldier | the keyring isnt so critical because you can always look up other peoples keys | 04:25 |
| Old_Soldier | install seahorse it makes life easier | 04:26 |
| Old_Soldier | you can export the key from its properties menu | 04:26 |
| linuxmonkey | isnt it installed by default in 8.04 | 04:27 |
| Old_Soldier | hmm i dont remember tbh look at applications >accessories>passwords and encryption keys | 04:29 |
| Old_Soldier | if its there thats what opens seahorse | 04:29 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah it is | 04:29 |
| linuxmonkey | can you send me a message to linuxmonkey@gmail.com and sign it. thanks :) | 04:32 |
| Old_Soldier | sure. gimme a sec | 04:34 |
| Old_Soldier | you dropping the kubuntu address? | 04:34 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah its 2 years old and was all too specific to 1 distro | 04:36 |
| linuxmonkey | ive allready set the new address in LP | 04:36 |
| Old_Soldier | okay its on the way | 04:37 |
| linuxmonkey | ok thats weird. it says valid signature, but cannot verify sender | 04:40 |
| Old_Soldier | you have to put my key on your keyring then it will be valid and verified (if you sign the key or someone you trust has signed the key | 04:41 |
| linuxmonkey | cool, its been a while.lol | 04:44 |
| linuxmonkey | Old_Soldier: i just sent u mine | 04:46 |
| linuxmonkey | Well I olove you all but I got to have some sleep, ill be back on tommorow after work | 05:02 |
| Old_Soldier | later Terry have a good night | 05:07 |
| bhuvan | 6 | 05:27 |
| wildman | hello and bye for now :) | 15:58 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| martijn_ | hello | 19:13 |
| martijn_ | i was wondering if anyone is available to answer some questions | 19:14 |
| Flare183 | wb Jonothan | 19:14 |
| Flare183 | or jjesse | 19:15 |
| martijn_ | sorry.. wb? | 19:15 |
| jjesse | thansk | 19:15 |
| jjesse | same thing :) | 19:15 |
| Flare183 | I know | 19:15 |
| jjesse | wewlcome back | 19:15 |
| martijn_ | haha ok :) | 19:15 |
| martijn_ | do you know where i can download the repository to start off with? | 19:17 |
| jjesse | argh problems with silly ksnapshot | 19:19 |
| jjesse | did you figure out how to download the repository? | 19:22 |
| martijn_ | no i didn't | 19:22 |
| martijn_ | but i just don't really get it | 19:22 |
| martijn_ | i found the deb http:/// blah blah repositories | 19:23 |
| martijn_ | so i should just add them and then i can download files in progress? | 19:23 |
| martijn_ | files = docs | 19:23 |
| jjesse | bzr checkout lp:ubuntu-doc | 19:24 |
| jjesse | we don't publish the .debs before string freeze if i recall correctly | 19:24 |
| jjesse | check them out from bzr | 19:24 |
| martijn_ | ok, i'm feeling a bit out of my element :) | 19:25 |
| martijn_ | lp:ubuntu-doc? | 19:25 |
| jjesse | do you have bazaar installed? | 19:26 |
| jjesse | thats the version controlling software | 19:26 |
| jjesse | so bzr checkout is the command to check out a bzr branch | 19:26 |
| martijn_ | i got it! | 19:27 |
| martijn_ | bit on the slow side today | 19:27 |
| jjesse | and with bazaar and launch[ad integgrated | 19:27 |
| jjesse | you can just do a bzr checout lp:ubuntu-docs | 19:27 |
| martijn_ | ok, that sounds nice | 19:27 |
| martijn_ | bazaar installed | 19:27 |
| jjesse | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-intrepid | 19:28 |
| martijn_ | thank you very much! | 19:30 |
| jjesse | np | 19:31 |
| jjesse | so lp:ubuntu-doc replaces bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-intrepid | 19:32 |
| jjesse | if i wanted to chckout kubuntu docs i would do a bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid | 19:32 |
| martijn_ | ok | 19:35 |
| martijn_ | so now i got a lot of docs | 19:35 |
| martijn_ | and are they synchronised all the time? | 19:35 |
| martijn_ | or how does that work? | 19:35 |
| jjesse | there is a group of people that have commit privileges | 19:36 |
| martijn_ | so they can upload them back? | 19:37 |
| jjesse | and they commit .diffs sent to the mailing list plus their own commits | 19:37 |
| jjesse | you need to keep your own branch updated | 19:37 |
| martijn_ | sounds like a very slick system :) | 19:37 |
| jjesse | after successful diffs have been applied you can be granted commit acces | 19:38 |
| martijn_ | so i should just go on and read and edit on my own ? | 19:39 |
| jjesse | yes you can take a look at the bugs filled | 19:39 |
| martijn_ | and i can commit my own diffs to the mailing list? | 19:39 |
| jjesse | yes you can | 19:40 |
| jjesse | then you can move into the ubuntu-doc-committers team | 19:40 |
| martijn_ | are you one yourself? | 19:43 |
| jjesse | yes i am | 19:45 |
| jjesse | i work on kubuntu docs | 19:45 |
| jjesse | mostly | 19:45 |
| martijn_ | cool | 19:45 |
| martijn_ | when did you start with ubuntu-doc? | 19:46 |
| martijn_ | jjesse | 20:20 |
| martijn_ | I already figured out a lot | 20:21 |
| martijn_ | but do i really have to convert everything the hard way over and over again? | 20:21 |
| martijn_ | i mean all those sml files | 20:22 |
| martijn_ | xml | 20:22 |
| jjesse | convert to what? | 20:22 |
| jjesse | sorry been afk | 20:23 |
| martijn_ | ok | 20:24 |
| martijn_ | i installed docbook | 20:24 |
| martijn_ | and in the repository there are only .xml files | 20:25 |
| martijn_ | i open them and i get a html-ish languag which i can add | 20:25 |
| jjesse | that is correct | 20:25 |
| jjesse | so you can then open them in yelp | 20:26 |
| jjesse | the help program for gnome | 20:26 |
| martijn_ | aha! | 20:26 |
| martijn_ | yelp :) | 20:26 |
| jjesse | i don't kow exactly how | 20:26 |
| jjesse | as i use kde | 20:26 |
| martijn_ | ofcourse | 20:26 |
| martijn_ | there is a folder called scripts | 20:26 |
| martijn_ | and when i run them i get something in yelp | 20:27 |
| martijn_ | but i can't use the links because it's pretty new maybe? | 20:27 |
| jjesse | i don't know for sure how it works out in yelp | 20:28 |
| martijn_ | i can drag the xml files into yelp onced a window is opened | 20:29 |
| martijn_ | and then i can see it as it is supposed to be | 20:29 |
| martijn_ | but ok | 20:34 |
| martijn_ | nobody here who uses ubuntu? | 20:34 |
| jjesse | don't know if they are active or not | 20:37 |
| Old_Soldier | martijn_: your problem is how to open docbook files in yelp? | 20:38 |
| martijn_ | hi | 20:39 |
| martijn_ | well i can open them | 20:39 |
| martijn_ | but i need someone to explain to me how it all works from here | 20:40 |
| Old_Soldier | from the command line yelp /fullpath/to/document.xml | 20:40 |
| Old_Soldier | if you need to validate a doc | 20:40 |
| martijn_ | i can few everything but i can't find some explanation about how to review, edit etc | 20:40 |
| martijn_ | ok | 20:40 |
| Old_Soldier | cd to the script dir | 20:40 |
| martijn_ | yes | 20:41 |
| Old_Soldier | then ./validate.sh /full/path/to/doucment.xml | 20:41 |
| martijn_ | ok i'll try that | 20:41 |
| Old_Soldier | you have to use a full path | 20:41 |
| Old_Soldier | also be aware that some documents will throw xref errors | 20:42 |
| martijn_ | what does that mean? | 20:42 |
| martijn_ | xref | 20:42 |
| Old_Soldier | because the will only validate form the root doument of that section | 20:42 |
| martijn_ | ok | 20:42 |
| martijn_ | so they don't link up with the rest? | 20:43 |
| Old_Soldier | well they do, but the script doesn't have that ability to vlidate them for some reason or another | 20:43 |
| Old_Soldier | in those cases if there are no other errors in the xml i check it in yelp | 20:44 |
| Old_Soldier | and if everything works then im satisfied... but im a newbie here so that may not be the best way | 20:44 |
| martijn_ | ok | 20:45 |
| martijn_ | but if you validate | 20:45 |
| martijn_ | you just check the code for errors? | 20:45 |
| Old_Soldier | validating is just to make sure you didnt mess up the xml when you edited it | 20:46 |
| Old_Soldier | so yes martijn_ | 20:46 |
| martijn_ | clear | 20:46 |
| martijn_ | do you use a special xml editor? | 20:47 |
| jjesse | martijn_: i just use kate | 20:47 |
| jjesse | use something that has syntax highlighting | 20:47 |
| Old_Soldier | i use bluefish but really you could use any text editor | 20:48 |
| Old_Soldier | i think gedit has plugins for that if you are a Ubuntu guy martijn_ | 20:49 |
| martijn_ | so what kind of changes do you make? what do you look for? | 20:49 |
| martijn_ | ok i will look for that | 20:49 |
| Old_Soldier | typos. incorrect information, things that dont follow the documentation guides for style spelling grammar etc | 20:50 |
| martijn_ | ok thank you | 20:51 |
| jjesse | martijn_: as intrepid gets closer to being done we will start making more changes | 20:51 |
| martijn_ | much clearer now | 20:51 |
| martijn_ | what does everybody focus on right now then? | 20:52 |
| jjesse | bugs that are reported | 20:52 |
| jjesse | or reporting bugs adn then changing them | 20:52 |
| martijn_ | how is that different from changing the doc right now? | 20:54 |
| martijn_ | is it because we dont know what intrepid will look like? | 20:55 |
| linuxmonkey | hey all | 23:19 |
| linuxmonkey | anyone alive in here today? I feel so lost i need a kick start | 23:32 |
| Old_Soldier | heyas linuxmonkey how are ya today? | 23:34 |
| linuxmonkey | Old_Soldier: good just got home from work and ate some cold pizza | 23:35 |
| Old_Soldier | cold pizza and warm beer lol | 23:35 |
| linuxmonkey | aint that the truth | 23:36 |
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