[01:31] <linuxmonkey> hi guys
[01:43] <linuxmonkey> no one alive tonnight?
[01:44] <Rocket2DMn> nobody actually talks in here, its weird
[01:44] <linuxmonkey> wow
[01:45] <Old_Soldier> lol yeah ive seen it go 24+ hours without someone talking
[01:45] <linuxmonkey> ive been away for over a year and came back and this place used to have chatter all the time
[01:45] <linuxmonkey> now im spooked
[01:46] <Rocket2DMn> well youre just in time, because the chatter will be picking up again
[01:46] <Rocket2DMn> we're trying to start on an overhaul of the wiki
[01:46] <linuxmonkey> cool
[01:46] <Old_Soldier> lol the invasion of ubuntu-doc by the beginner team will make it noisy in here
[01:47] <linuxmonkey> considering im still listed active on wiki team I may as well be
[01:47] <Rocket2DMn> linuxmonkey, are you on the ubuntu-doc mailing list?
[01:47] <Old_Soldier> we've already made the mailing list get a bit more busy
[01:47] <linuxmonkey> oh yeah i am Rocket2DMn just got to remember my login to the email its all sent to
[01:48] <Rocket2DMn> when was the last time you checked it?
[01:48] <linuxmonkey> well eons ago. like i said i just got back
[01:48] <Rocket2DMn> wow, there's gonna be a lot of email in there for you
[01:50] <linuxmonkey> im sure of it
[01:51] <Rocket2DMn> linuxmonkey, in short, a handful of members from the Ubunut Forums Beginners Team are going to be helping the doc team
[01:51] <Rocket2DMn> a few of us are already here, a few more will show up later, after we have a meeting
[01:51] <Rocket2DMn> later = a week or so
[01:52] <Rocket2DMn> we are really pushing to get the online documentation up to date, and cleaning out old and incomplete documentation
[01:53] <linuxmonkey> ok cool
[01:53] <linuxmonkey> i got 4k emails.wow
[01:53] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, it's gonna be intense
[01:54] <Old_Soldier> lol 4K emails. masss delete!
[01:54] <linuxmonkey> I keep it all
[01:54] <Rocket2DMn> seriously, though you may want to read some from the last week or so
[01:55] <linuxmonkey> Gmail. why not.lol they automatically get tagged
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> a fair amount of mail going back and forth between Matthew East, Charles Davis, and me (Connor Imes)
[01:56] <linuxmonkey> i see that
[01:58] <linuxmonkey> i feel like such a new guy, havent done anything for over a year
[01:58] <Rocket2DMn> thats ok, there is no shortage of things to do
[02:00] <linuxmonkey> i can see that, its like ridding a bike, after a while of not riding one you may crash a few times however someone is always willing to show you again how its done.
[02:09] <linuxmonkey> Rocket2DMn: do you see my reply to the email?
[02:09] <Rocket2DMn> got it linuxmonkey
[02:10] <Rocket2DMn> im about to email out about what i did today
[02:10] <linuxmonkey> i really have to change the email address I use. used to be KDE only but have since been using gnome and kde but mostly gnome
[02:10] <linuxmonkey> cool
[02:12] <Old_Soldier> added to my address book :)
[02:13] <linuxmonkey> what do you use for your email? just use web or program on linux>
[02:15] <Old_Soldier> i use evolution
[02:15] <linuxmonkey> its what i was thinking of using :)
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> now im in trouble, Old_Soldier  added me to his address book
[02:26] <seisen> you better run for the hills
[02:27] <linuxmonkey> yeah really, maybe i should
[02:27] <linuxmonkey> but i cant do that ive been away for too long
[02:33] <linuxmonkey> its gonna take me a year to read all my emails.lol
[02:33] <seisen> wow
[02:34] <linuxmonkey> i got 19539 emails
[02:34] <seisen> ya I think the most I ever had was 450
[02:34] <linuxmonkey> this is what happens when you leave for a year+
[02:36] <Old_Soldier> lol thats ok linuxmonkey i'll just bug Matthew and Dougie
[02:36] <Old_Soldier> nickellery is safe now that I'm Dougie's padawan
[02:37] <Old_Soldier> though i'll still pick his brains :)
[02:37] <linuxmonkey> Old_Soldier:  feel free to bug me too. I may not be as much help as them but it my trigger my memory
[02:38] <Old_Soldier> will do :)
[02:39] <Old_Soldier> mostly right now im struggling with bzr. i've submitted a few patches but keeping my private copy of the doc branch in sync is confusing me
[02:40] <linuxmonkey> keep struggling
[02:41] <Old_Soldier> earlier today i gave up and deleted my lp branch redownloaded the main branch and applied only the patches that i wanted.
[02:41] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:42] <seisen> hey at least bzr is faster now before hardy  was released it was slow as mollassas
[02:42] <Old_Soldier> i couldnt do a pull because i had my own revisions
[02:42]  * Old_Soldier shrugs
[02:42]  * linuxmonkey is lost beyond thoughts
[02:42] <Old_Soldier> i'll learn the hard way (or ask Dougie to walk me through it)
[02:43] <Old_Soldier> hey linuxmonkey at least when you start going it will come back to you. its not like you are fresh meat here
[02:44] <linuxmonkey> yeah right...lol im old beat up meat
[02:44] <seisen> ewwww!!!!!!!
[02:44] <linuxmonkey> and memory..well being forced to use windows for over a year. torture
[02:51] <Old_Soldier> linuxmonkey: then you can work on the switching from windows docs
[02:51] <Old_Soldier> hehe the pain is fresh in your mind and you remember stuff!
[02:55] <linuxmonkey> after banging my head so hard i dont think i remember much.lol
[02:56] <linuxmonkey> Rocket2DMn: you there?
[03:01] <linuxmonkey> man i just realized i no longer have my pgp key :(
[03:02] <Old_Soldier> oh man that bites
[03:03] <linuxmonkey> very
[03:03] <Old_Soldier> do you have a revocation key stashed?
[03:03] <linuxmonkey> i got nothing, the flash drive i had it all on got ruined when it got ran over by a steam roller
[03:04] <Old_Soldier> been there. not a steamroller... but yeah
[03:05] <Old_Soldier> just make new keys and put them on LP
[03:05] <linuxmonkey> yeah i got to, but man its a pain
[03:06] <linuxmonkey> u wanna laught? Old_Soldier
[03:09] <Old_Soldier> sure man i'm always good for a laugh
[03:11] <linuxmonkey> https://launchpad.net/~linuxmonkey\
[03:11] <linuxmonkey> oops
[03:11] <linuxmonkey> https://launchpad.net/~linuxmonkey
[03:12] <linuxmonkey> check that out, that dates to like 2 years ago
[03:15] <Old_Soldier> hey it just looks like a page that hasn't been touched in two years :)
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> lol yea
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> but see me with the tatoo
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> its 100% real not fake
[03:17] <Old_Soldier> cool
[03:19] <linuxmonkey> anyways time for me to watch some tv, afk :)
[03:20] <Old_Soldier> later man take care
[03:27] <Rocket2DMn> did you need something linuxmonkey ?
[03:28] <linuxmonkey> Rocket2DMn: just a slap accross the head
[03:28]  * Rocket2DMn slaps linuxmonkey 
[03:29] <linuxmonkey> also reading the msg you had sent about the wiki
[03:29] <Rocket2DMn> ah, ok
[03:29] <linuxmonkey> i got a homepage but its not linked on help.ubuntu wich is good
[03:30] <Rocket2DMn> thats good
[03:30] <Rocket2DMn> i think what happens is some people put their names which autocreates a link, then somebody clicks on it and tries to create  apage b/c it says page does not exist
[03:30] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:31] <Rocket2DMn> other people must have used some other system, b/c a lot of the pages i ran across looked the same
[03:32] <linuxmonkey> I need to re-do my openpgp key :( i lost my original
[03:34] <Rocket2DMn> ok goin afk for dinner, bbl
[03:35] <Old_Soldier> let us know when you get it back up on LP linuxmonkey
[03:35] <Old_Soldier> I like to keep my keyring up to date in case people sign their list messages
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> let me redo my pgp, ill also need to resign the COC :(
[03:46] <linuxmonkey> I just updated my email, since im doing my pgp key anyways.
[03:58] <linuxmonkey> whats the pgp keyserver we should use?
[03:59] <linuxmonkey> nvm think i got it
[04:21] <linuxmonkey> Old_Soldier: wassup
[04:22] <linuxmonkey> Ive just updated my key all over as well as my email :)
[04:22] <Old_Soldier> cool
[04:22] <Old_Soldier> you been a busy monkey lol!
[04:22] <linuxmonkey> now i forget what to back up
[04:23] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:23] <linuxmonkey> so that this never happens again
[04:25] <Old_Soldier> back up your keyring and export your complete key too
[04:25] <linuxmonkey> ok well u got me there. havent dont that in ages
[04:25] <linuxmonkey> done*
[04:25] <Old_Soldier> the keyring isnt so critical because you can always look up other peoples keys
[04:26] <Old_Soldier> install seahorse it makes life easier
[04:26] <Old_Soldier> you can export the key from its properties menu
[04:27] <linuxmonkey> isnt it installed by default in 8.04
[04:29] <Old_Soldier> hmm i dont remember tbh look at applications >accessories>passwords and encryption keys
[04:29] <Old_Soldier> if its there thats what opens seahorse
[04:29] <linuxmonkey> yeah it is
[04:32] <linuxmonkey> can you send me a message to linuxmonkey@gmail.com and sign it. thanks :)
[04:34] <Old_Soldier> sure. gimme a sec
[04:34] <Old_Soldier> you dropping the kubuntu address?
[04:36] <linuxmonkey> yeah its 2 years old and was all too specific to 1 distro
[04:36] <linuxmonkey> ive allready set the new address in LP
[04:37] <Old_Soldier> okay its on the way
[04:40] <linuxmonkey> ok thats weird. it says valid signature, but cannot verify sender
[04:41] <Old_Soldier> you have to put my key on your keyring then it will be valid and verified (if you sign the key or someone you trust has signed the key
[04:44] <linuxmonkey> cool, its been a while.lol
[04:46] <linuxmonkey> Old_Soldier: i just sent u mine
[05:02] <linuxmonkey> Well I olove you all but I got to have some sleep, ill be back on tommorow after work
[05:07] <Old_Soldier> later Terry have a good night
[05:27] <bhuvan> 6
[15:58] <wildman> hello and bye for now :)
[19:13] <martijn_> hello
[19:14] <martijn_> i was wondering if anyone is available to answer some questions
[19:14] <Flare183> wb Jonothan
[19:15] <Flare183> or jjesse
[19:15] <martijn_> sorry.. wb?
[19:15] <jjesse> thansk
[19:15] <jjesse> same thing :)
[19:15] <Flare183> I know
[19:15] <jjesse> wewlcome back
[19:15] <martijn_> haha ok :)
[19:17] <martijn_> do you know where i can download the repository to start off with?
[19:19] <jjesse> argh problems with silly ksnapshot
[19:22] <jjesse> did you figure out how to download the repository?
[19:22] <martijn_> no i didn't
[19:22] <martijn_> but i just don't really get it
[19:23] <martijn_> i found the deb http:/// blah blah repositories
[19:23] <martijn_> so i should just add them and then i can download files in progress?
[19:23] <martijn_> files = docs
[19:24] <jjesse> bzr checkout lp:ubuntu-doc
[19:24] <jjesse> we don't publish the .debs before string freeze if i recall correctly
[19:24] <jjesse> check them out from bzr
[19:25] <martijn_> ok, i'm feeling a bit out of my element :)
[19:25] <martijn_> lp:ubuntu-doc?
[19:26] <jjesse> do you have bazaar installed?
[19:26] <jjesse> thats the version controlling software
[19:26] <jjesse> so bzr checkout is the command to check out a bzr branch
[19:27] <martijn_> i got it!
[19:27] <martijn_> bit on the slow side today
[19:27] <jjesse> and with bazaar and launch[ad integgrated
[19:27] <jjesse> you can just do a bzr checout lp:ubuntu-docs
[19:27] <martijn_> ok, that sounds nice
[19:27] <martijn_> bazaar installed
[19:28] <jjesse> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-intrepid
[19:30] <martijn_> thank you very much!
[19:31] <jjesse> np
[19:32] <jjesse> so lp:ubuntu-doc replaces bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-intrepid
[19:32] <jjesse> if i wanted to chckout kubuntu docs i would do a bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid
[19:35] <martijn_> ok
[19:35] <martijn_> so now i got a lot of docs
[19:35] <martijn_> and are they synchronised all the time?
[19:35] <martijn_> or how does that work?
[19:36] <jjesse> there is a group of people that have commit privileges
[19:37] <martijn_> so they can upload them back?
[19:37] <jjesse> and they commit .diffs sent to the mailing list plus their own commits
[19:37] <jjesse> you need to keep your own branch updated
[19:37] <martijn_> sounds like a very slick system :)
[19:38] <jjesse> after successful diffs have been applied you can be granted commit acces
[19:39] <martijn_> so i should just go on and read and edit on my own ?
[19:39] <jjesse> yes you can take a look at the bugs filled
[19:39] <martijn_> and i can commit my own diffs to the mailing list?
[19:40] <jjesse> yes you can
[19:40] <jjesse> then you can move into the ubuntu-doc-committers team
[19:43] <martijn_> are you one yourself?
[19:45] <jjesse> yes i am
[19:45] <jjesse> i work on kubuntu docs
[19:45] <jjesse> mostly
[19:45] <martijn_> cool
[19:46] <martijn_> when did you start with ubuntu-doc?
[20:20] <martijn_> jjesse
[20:21] <martijn_> I already figured out a lot
[20:21] <martijn_> but do i really have to convert everything the hard way over and over again?
[20:22] <martijn_> i mean all those sml files
[20:22] <martijn_> xml
[20:22] <jjesse> convert to what?
[20:23] <jjesse> sorry been afk
[20:24] <martijn_> ok
[20:24] <martijn_> i installed docbook
[20:25] <martijn_> and in the repository there are only .xml files
[20:25] <martijn_> i open them and i get a html-ish languag which i can add
[20:25] <jjesse> that is correct
[20:26] <jjesse> so you can then open them in yelp
[20:26] <jjesse> the help program for gnome
[20:26] <martijn_> aha!
[20:26] <martijn_> yelp :)
[20:26] <jjesse> i don't kow exactly how
[20:26] <jjesse> as i use kde
[20:26] <martijn_> ofcourse
[20:26] <martijn_> there is a folder called scripts
[20:27] <martijn_> and when i run them i get something in yelp
[20:27] <martijn_> but i can't use the links because it's pretty new maybe?
[20:28] <jjesse> i don't know for sure how it works out in yelp
[20:29] <martijn_> i can drag the xml files into yelp onced a window is opened
[20:29] <martijn_> and then i can see it as it is supposed to be
[20:34] <martijn_> but ok
[20:34] <martijn_> nobody here who uses ubuntu?
[20:37] <jjesse> don't know if they are active or not
[20:38] <Old_Soldier> martijn_: your problem is how to open docbook files in yelp?
[20:39] <martijn_> hi
[20:39] <martijn_> well i can open them
[20:40] <martijn_> but i need someone to explain to me how it all works from here
[20:40] <Old_Soldier> from the command line yelp /fullpath/to/document.xml
[20:40] <Old_Soldier> if you need to validate a doc
[20:40] <martijn_> i can few everything but i can't find some explanation about how to review, edit etc
[20:40] <martijn_> ok
[20:40] <Old_Soldier> cd to the script dir
[20:41] <martijn_> yes
[20:41] <Old_Soldier>  then ./validate.sh /full/path/to/doucment.xml
[20:41] <martijn_> ok i'll try that
[20:41] <Old_Soldier> you have to use a full path
[20:42] <Old_Soldier> also be aware that some documents will throw xref errors
[20:42] <martijn_> what does that mean?
[20:42] <martijn_> xref
[20:42] <Old_Soldier> because the will only validate form the root doument of that section
[20:42] <martijn_> ok
[20:43] <martijn_> so they don't link up with the rest?
[20:43] <Old_Soldier> well they do, but the script doesn't have that ability to vlidate them for some reason or another
[20:44] <Old_Soldier> in those cases if there are no other errors in the xml i check it in yelp
[20:44] <Old_Soldier> and if everything works then im satisfied... but im a newbie here so that may not be the best way
[20:45] <martijn_> ok
[20:45] <martijn_> but if you validate
[20:45] <martijn_> you just check the code for errors?
[20:46] <Old_Soldier> validating is just to make sure you didnt mess up the xml when you edited it
[20:46] <Old_Soldier> so yes martijn_
[20:46] <martijn_> clear
[20:47] <martijn_> do you use a special xml editor?
[20:47] <jjesse> martijn_: i just use kate
[20:47] <jjesse> use something that has syntax highlighting
[20:48] <Old_Soldier> i use bluefish but really you could use any text editor
[20:49] <Old_Soldier> i think gedit has plugins for that if you are a Ubuntu guy martijn_
[20:49] <martijn_> so what kind of changes do you make? what do you look for?
[20:49] <martijn_> ok i will look for that
[20:50] <Old_Soldier> typos. incorrect information, things that dont follow the documentation guides for style spelling grammar etc
[20:51] <martijn_> ok thank you
[20:51] <jjesse> martijn_: as intrepid gets closer to being done  we will start making more changes
[20:51] <martijn_> much clearer now
[20:52] <martijn_> what does everybody focus on right now then?
[20:52] <jjesse> bugs that are reported
[20:52] <jjesse> or reporting bugs adn then changing them
[20:54] <martijn_> how is that different from changing the doc right now?
[20:55] <martijn_> is it because we dont know what intrepid will look like?
[23:19] <linuxmonkey> hey all
[23:32] <linuxmonkey> anyone alive in here today? I feel so lost i need a kick start
[23:34] <Old_Soldier> heyas linuxmonkey  how are ya today?
[23:35] <linuxmonkey> Old_Soldier: good just got home from work and ate some  cold pizza
[23:35] <Old_Soldier> cold pizza and warm beer lol
[23:36] <linuxmonkey> aint that the truth