[01:31] hi guys [01:43] no one alive tonnight? [01:44] nobody actually talks in here, its weird [01:44] wow [01:45] lol yeah ive seen it go 24+ hours without someone talking [01:45] ive been away for over a year and came back and this place used to have chatter all the time [01:45] now im spooked [01:46] well youre just in time, because the chatter will be picking up again [01:46] we're trying to start on an overhaul of the wiki [01:46] cool [01:46] lol the invasion of ubuntu-doc by the beginner team will make it noisy in here [01:47] considering im still listed active on wiki team I may as well be [01:47] linuxmonkey, are you on the ubuntu-doc mailing list? [01:47] we've already made the mailing list get a bit more busy [01:47] oh yeah i am Rocket2DMn just got to remember my login to the email its all sent to [01:48] when was the last time you checked it? [01:48] well eons ago. like i said i just got back [01:48] wow, there's gonna be a lot of email in there for you [01:50] im sure of it [01:51] linuxmonkey, in short, a handful of members from the Ubunut Forums Beginners Team are going to be helping the doc team [01:51] a few of us are already here, a few more will show up later, after we have a meeting [01:51] later = a week or so [01:52] we are really pushing to get the online documentation up to date, and cleaning out old and incomplete documentation [01:53] ok cool [01:53] i got 4k emails.wow [01:53] yeah, it's gonna be intense [01:54] lol 4K emails. masss delete! [01:54] I keep it all [01:54] seriously, though you may want to read some from the last week or so [01:55] Gmail. why not.lol they automatically get tagged [01:55] a fair amount of mail going back and forth between Matthew East, Charles Davis, and me (Connor Imes) [01:56] i see that [01:58] i feel like such a new guy, havent done anything for over a year [01:58] thats ok, there is no shortage of things to do [02:00] i can see that, its like ridding a bike, after a while of not riding one you may crash a few times however someone is always willing to show you again how its done. [02:09] Rocket2DMn: do you see my reply to the email? [02:09] got it linuxmonkey [02:10] im about to email out about what i did today [02:10] i really have to change the email address I use. used to be KDE only but have since been using gnome and kde but mostly gnome [02:10] cool [02:12] added to my address book :) [02:13] what do you use for your email? just use web or program on linux> [02:15] i use evolution [02:15] its what i was thinking of using :) [02:24] now im in trouble, Old_Soldier added me to his address book [02:26] you better run for the hills [02:27] yeah really, maybe i should [02:27] but i cant do that ive been away for too long [02:33] its gonna take me a year to read all my emails.lol [02:33] wow [02:34] i got 19539 emails [02:34] ya I think the most I ever had was 450 [02:34] this is what happens when you leave for a year+ [02:36] lol thats ok linuxmonkey i'll just bug Matthew and Dougie [02:36] nickellery is safe now that I'm Dougie's padawan [02:37] though i'll still pick his brains :) [02:37] Old_Soldier: feel free to bug me too. I may not be as much help as them but it my trigger my memory [02:38] will do :) [02:39] mostly right now im struggling with bzr. i've submitted a few patches but keeping my private copy of the doc branch in sync is confusing me [02:40] keep struggling [02:41] earlier today i gave up and deleted my lp branch redownloaded the main branch and applied only the patches that i wanted. [02:41] lol [02:42] hey at least bzr is faster now before hardy was released it was slow as mollassas [02:42] i couldnt do a pull because i had my own revisions [02:42] * Old_Soldier shrugs [02:42] * linuxmonkey is lost beyond thoughts [02:42] i'll learn the hard way (or ask Dougie to walk me through it) [02:43] hey linuxmonkey at least when you start going it will come back to you. its not like you are fresh meat here [02:44] yeah right...lol im old beat up meat [02:44] ewwww!!!!!!! [02:44] and memory..well being forced to use windows for over a year. torture [02:51] linuxmonkey: then you can work on the switching from windows docs [02:51] hehe the pain is fresh in your mind and you remember stuff! [02:55] after banging my head so hard i dont think i remember much.lol [02:56] Rocket2DMn: you there? [03:01] man i just realized i no longer have my pgp key :( [03:02] oh man that bites [03:03] very [03:03] do you have a revocation key stashed? [03:03] i got nothing, the flash drive i had it all on got ruined when it got ran over by a steam roller [03:04] been there. not a steamroller... but yeah [03:05] just make new keys and put them on LP [03:05] yeah i got to, but man its a pain [03:06] u wanna laught? Old_Soldier [03:09] sure man i'm always good for a laugh [03:11] https://launchpad.net/~linuxmonkey\ [03:11] oops [03:11] https://launchpad.net/~linuxmonkey [03:12] check that out, that dates to like 2 years ago [03:15] hey it just looks like a page that hasn't been touched in two years :) [03:15] lol yea [03:15] but see me with the tatoo [03:15] its 100% real not fake [03:17] cool [03:19] anyways time for me to watch some tv, afk :) [03:20] later man take care [03:27] did you need something linuxmonkey ? [03:28] Rocket2DMn: just a slap accross the head [03:28] * Rocket2DMn slaps linuxmonkey [03:29] also reading the msg you had sent about the wiki [03:29] ah, ok [03:29] i got a homepage but its not linked on help.ubuntu wich is good [03:30] thats good [03:30] i think what happens is some people put their names which autocreates a link, then somebody clicks on it and tries to create apage b/c it says page does not exist [03:30] lol [03:31] other people must have used some other system, b/c a lot of the pages i ran across looked the same [03:32] I need to re-do my openpgp key :( i lost my original [03:34] ok goin afk for dinner, bbl [03:35] let us know when you get it back up on LP linuxmonkey [03:35] I like to keep my keyring up to date in case people sign their list messages [03:36] let me redo my pgp, ill also need to resign the COC :( [03:46] I just updated my email, since im doing my pgp key anyways. [03:58] whats the pgp keyserver we should use? [03:59] nvm think i got it [04:21] Old_Soldier: wassup [04:22] Ive just updated my key all over as well as my email :) [04:22] cool [04:22] you been a busy monkey lol! [04:22] now i forget what to back up [04:23] lol [04:23] so that this never happens again [04:25] back up your keyring and export your complete key too [04:25] ok well u got me there. havent dont that in ages [04:25] done* [04:25] the keyring isnt so critical because you can always look up other peoples keys [04:26] install seahorse it makes life easier [04:26] you can export the key from its properties menu [04:27] isnt it installed by default in 8.04 [04:29] hmm i dont remember tbh look at applications >accessories>passwords and encryption keys [04:29] if its there thats what opens seahorse [04:29] yeah it is [04:32] can you send me a message to linuxmonkey@gmail.com and sign it. thanks :) [04:34] sure. gimme a sec [04:34] you dropping the kubuntu address? [04:36] yeah its 2 years old and was all too specific to 1 distro [04:36] ive allready set the new address in LP [04:37] okay its on the way [04:40] ok thats weird. it says valid signature, but cannot verify sender [04:41] you have to put my key on your keyring then it will be valid and verified (if you sign the key or someone you trust has signed the key [04:44] cool, its been a while.lol [04:46] Old_Soldier: i just sent u mine [05:02] Well I olove you all but I got to have some sleep, ill be back on tommorow after work [05:07] later Terry have a good night [05:27] 6 [15:58] hello and bye for now :) === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [19:13] hello [19:14] i was wondering if anyone is available to answer some questions [19:14] wb Jonothan [19:15] or jjesse [19:15] sorry.. wb? [19:15] thansk [19:15] same thing :) [19:15] I know [19:15] wewlcome back [19:15] haha ok :) [19:17] do you know where i can download the repository to start off with? [19:19] argh problems with silly ksnapshot [19:22] did you figure out how to download the repository? [19:22] no i didn't [19:22] but i just don't really get it [19:23] i found the deb http:/// blah blah repositories [19:23] so i should just add them and then i can download files in progress? [19:23] files = docs [19:24] bzr checkout lp:ubuntu-doc [19:24] we don't publish the .debs before string freeze if i recall correctly [19:24] check them out from bzr [19:25] ok, i'm feeling a bit out of my element :) [19:25] lp:ubuntu-doc? [19:26] do you have bazaar installed? [19:26] thats the version controlling software [19:26] so bzr checkout is the command to check out a bzr branch [19:27] i got it! [19:27] bit on the slow side today [19:27] and with bazaar and launch[ad integgrated [19:27] you can just do a bzr checout lp:ubuntu-docs [19:27] ok, that sounds nice [19:27] bazaar installed [19:28] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-intrepid [19:30] thank you very much! [19:31] np [19:32] so lp:ubuntu-doc replaces bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-intrepid [19:32] if i wanted to chckout kubuntu docs i would do a bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid [19:35] ok [19:35] so now i got a lot of docs [19:35] and are they synchronised all the time? [19:35] or how does that work? [19:36] there is a group of people that have commit privileges [19:37] so they can upload them back? [19:37] and they commit .diffs sent to the mailing list plus their own commits [19:37] you need to keep your own branch updated [19:37] sounds like a very slick system :) [19:38] after successful diffs have been applied you can be granted commit acces [19:39] so i should just go on and read and edit on my own ? [19:39] yes you can take a look at the bugs filled [19:39] and i can commit my own diffs to the mailing list? [19:40] yes you can [19:40] then you can move into the ubuntu-doc-committers team [19:43] are you one yourself? [19:45] yes i am [19:45] i work on kubuntu docs [19:45] mostly [19:45] cool [19:46] when did you start with ubuntu-doc? [20:20] jjesse [20:21] I already figured out a lot [20:21] but do i really have to convert everything the hard way over and over again? [20:22] i mean all those sml files [20:22] xml [20:22] convert to what? [20:23] sorry been afk [20:24] ok [20:24] i installed docbook [20:25] and in the repository there are only .xml files [20:25] i open them and i get a html-ish languag which i can add [20:25] that is correct [20:26] so you can then open them in yelp [20:26] the help program for gnome [20:26] aha! [20:26] yelp :) [20:26] i don't kow exactly how [20:26] as i use kde [20:26] ofcourse [20:26] there is a folder called scripts [20:27] and when i run them i get something in yelp [20:27] but i can't use the links because it's pretty new maybe? [20:28] i don't know for sure how it works out in yelp [20:29] i can drag the xml files into yelp onced a window is opened [20:29] and then i can see it as it is supposed to be [20:34] but ok [20:34] nobody here who uses ubuntu? [20:37] don't know if they are active or not [20:38] martijn_: your problem is how to open docbook files in yelp? [20:39] hi [20:39] well i can open them [20:40] but i need someone to explain to me how it all works from here [20:40] from the command line yelp /fullpath/to/document.xml [20:40] if you need to validate a doc [20:40] i can few everything but i can't find some explanation about how to review, edit etc [20:40] ok [20:40] cd to the script dir [20:41] yes [20:41] then ./validate.sh /full/path/to/doucment.xml [20:41] ok i'll try that [20:41] you have to use a full path [20:42] also be aware that some documents will throw xref errors [20:42] what does that mean? [20:42] xref [20:42] because the will only validate form the root doument of that section [20:42] ok [20:43] so they don't link up with the rest? [20:43] well they do, but the script doesn't have that ability to vlidate them for some reason or another [20:44] in those cases if there are no other errors in the xml i check it in yelp [20:44] and if everything works then im satisfied... but im a newbie here so that may not be the best way [20:45] ok [20:45] but if you validate [20:45] you just check the code for errors? [20:46] validating is just to make sure you didnt mess up the xml when you edited it [20:46] so yes martijn_ [20:46] clear [20:47] do you use a special xml editor? [20:47] martijn_: i just use kate [20:47] use something that has syntax highlighting [20:48] i use bluefish but really you could use any text editor [20:49] i think gedit has plugins for that if you are a Ubuntu guy martijn_ [20:49] so what kind of changes do you make? what do you look for? [20:49] ok i will look for that [20:50] typos. incorrect information, things that dont follow the documentation guides for style spelling grammar etc [20:51] ok thank you [20:51] martijn_: as intrepid gets closer to being done we will start making more changes [20:51] much clearer now [20:52] what does everybody focus on right now then? [20:52] bugs that are reported [20:52] or reporting bugs adn then changing them [20:54] how is that different from changing the doc right now? [20:55] is it because we dont know what intrepid will look like? [23:19] hey all [23:32] anyone alive in here today? I feel so lost i need a kick start [23:34] heyas linuxmonkey how are ya today? [23:35] Old_Soldier: good just got home from work and ate some cold pizza [23:35] cold pizza and warm beer lol [23:36] aint that the truth