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liassisthello, i was told to come to this channel to upgrade to a staffer (i have read "code of conduct")12:42
Ekusheyliassist, PriceChild is the person to talk to :)12:44
PriceChildliassist: to upgrade to a staffer?12:44
Piciliassist: 'upgrade to a staffer'?12:44
PriceChildliassist: do you mean talk to a staffer to get a cloak?12:44
liassistno to become a staffer12:45
PriceChildwhat kind of staffer? do you mean channel operator?12:45
liassistyes12:45
PriceChildWhere?12:46
liassist#ubuntu12:47
PriceChildliassist: when we need new ops we usually pick from the helpers in the channel12:47
PriceChildliassist: you don't need ops to be useful in a channel, giving support, helping manage it etc.12:47
liassistwell, ive been helpin scince 2-years but ive been changing my nick sometimes12:48
PriceChildliassist: Infact I can't remember the last time I used my operator access in #ubuntu, which could be a good or bad things depending on how you look at it.12:48
liassistyes i know but people seem to listen well this way12:50
PiciWhat do you mean?12:50
liassistwell, ive been active on the ubuntu commutnity now iam even a ubunteros and i know someone told me to become a channel op12:51
liassistsir, if you are busy you can tell me ill leave12:54
PiciI'm not telling you to leave, but rather I'll reiterate what PriceChild has already said:  when we need new ops we usually pick from the helpers in the channel.12:55
liassistok so thankx i was really geting anxious13:00
PiciJust be helpful and be yourself in #ubuntu :)13:00
liassistwell ok13:02
emonkeystrange ... ^^13:04
emonkeyMaybe there are other habits on others IRCs where he is on13:05
emonkeydoesn't matter anyway13:05
MyrttiI've most certainly been on IRC way too long13:05
Ekusheyhey Myrtti13:15
Myrttihi Ekushey13:16
Ekusheyjust wanted to say hello13:16
Myrtti:-)13:16
Ekushey:)13:17
* Myrtti considers a new hackergotchi14:33
jpdsflaccid-: Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same IRC team ;-)15:09
flaccid-jpds, not really15:09
flaccid-its a matter of participation and availability15:10
flaccid-i've come here and #ubuntu-ops for health, rarely much success15:10
flaccid-health=help15:10
jpdswell, we can't be around all the time..15:11
flaccid-i know that15:12
flaccid-i've had responses from ubuntu people saying they can't help15:12
jpdsah ,yes15:12
flaccid-which makes me think, instead of this generic nature, why not #kubuntu-ops ?15:13
jussi01flaccid-: because all the kubuntu ops are in #ubuntu.ops15:13
jussi01sorry, #ubuntu-ops15:13
Ekushey[20:14] [Kick] You have been kicked from channel #kubuntu-ops by ChanServ (Invite only channel).15:14
Hobbseeflaccid-: the problem is the lack of kubuntu ops at certain times.  not where they might be situated.15:14
* emonkey is op on the german speaking kubuntu channels, should I be in some #*ubuntu-ops channel?15:15
jussi01emonkey: no15:15
Hobbseeemonkey: no, see /topic :)15:15
jussi01emonkey: thats what this channel is for15:16
emonkeyvery good15:16
emonkeythen is everything in order :)15:16
flaccid-well maybe i can help with that ?15:16
jussi01flaccid-: help with what?15:17
flaccid-the lack of operators15:17
* Hobbsee was waiting for that.15:17
* flaccid- was waiting for Hobbsee to say that...15:17
flaccid-:)15:17
Hobbseeso then, you should know my answer without me telling you, right?15:17
flaccid-Hobbsee, i've never asked out of nearly 4 years of helping15:18
flaccid-how many more years does it need to be?15:18
MyrttiI've noted that no-one who asks for it, gets15:19
Hobbseeflaccid-: yeah, but it's more the fact that every once in a while you get banned from #kubuntu yourself, for breaking the rules, which is more of a problem....15:19
flaccid-thats questionable Hobbsee15:20
flaccid-the truth is that i don't wont ops, but me and some others are the ones that cop it when ops are not around..15:21
flaccid-and i've proven myself well enough15:21
jussi01flaccid-: there is an ops trigger for when we arent around/looking15:21
flaccid-i know that.15:21
Hobbseeflaccid-: i agree, that finding more ops is a good idea.15:21
flaccid-Hobbsee, so besides my questionable past, what is stopping me from becoming one of these people?15:22
Hobbseeand it would be a good idea to get a shortlist of those, so it can be voted on15:22
jpdsflaccid-: I also that more ops would be nice, however some... say that we have too many..15:22
flaccid-well besides a handful of 'good' ops, i rarely see the others being active in the channel in question15:22
flaccid-thats some basic feedback..15:23
jussi01flaccid-: how often do you actually use !ops and no one is around?15:23
flaccid-i've dont it a few times15:23
jussi01and no response?15:23
flaccid-i wouldn't say the lack of response if frequent. so you have a good point.15:23
flaccid-but once i again i didn't ask for ops. someone expressed that there is a lack of ops...15:24
flaccid-quite different..15:24
Hobbseeflaccid-: the evidence that the past is actually past, and would not replicate itself at any point in the future.15:24
flaccid-Hobbsee, sorry?15:25
flaccid-nobody can predict human behaviour ?15:25
flaccid-i don't need ops, but i wouldn't mind some backup without having to trigger !ops ...15:26
flaccid-thats the point.15:26
flaccid-prevention is better than cure :)15:26
flaccid-Hobbsee, how would you feel about a trial period?15:31
Hobbseeflaccid-: i'd have to think about that15:31
flaccid-np15:31
flaccid-let me just express once again, that this is not for me. i just don't want to have to be frustrated and leave because of some users. ops shouldn't have to be triggered imho to moderate...15:32
* Hobbsee wonders why ops should not have to be triggered.15:38
Hobbseeafter all, not everyone spends all the time on irc, especially in a single channel15:38
flaccid-because the response sometimes can be a while15:39
flaccid-i ack your point and put it to rest15:40
flaccid-may i ask, is there any encouragement for one like myself who is a dominant helper ?15:41
Hobbseeencouragement?15:41
flaccid-yes15:41
flaccid-humans live for a feeling of importance15:41
jussi01!helpersnack15:42
ubottuWow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!15:42
jussi01:)15:42
flaccid-something like that is better than nothing...15:42
flaccid-i never even knew about that thanks jussi01  :)15:42
Hobbseeflaccid-: write a script to remind yourself of how helpful you are, ifyou like.15:43
Hobbseeeveryone deserves it, so...15:43
flaccid-everyone ?15:44
flaccid-why would you say that?15:44
Hobbseeall the helpers, all the ops, all the people who offer support, all the people who put ubuntu together, all the people who otherwise contribute to ubuntu...15:45
flaccid-thats a massive generalisation considering im the one being judged15:45
flaccid-all these people and me are certainly not equal15:45
Myrtti"being an administrator shouldn't be a big deal"15:47
Myrtti- and it isn't.15:47
flaccid-exactly and thats pretty far from my point15:47
jpdsflaccid-: but we're all what make Ubuntu special.15:47
Myrttiexactly15:48
flaccid-another generalisation15:48
flaccid-define special ?15:48
Myrttispeshul15:48
flaccid-hehe15:48
* Myrtti snugglewuggles everyone15:48
flaccid-the good ol sugar down strategy, i can appreciate that15:48
flaccid-wont' work on me but :)15:48
Myrttiit's just me15:49
Myrttipay no attention :-P15:49
flaccid-and thats your right for sure15:49
* Myrtti gives jpds a lollipop15:49
* jpds gives Myrtti and flaccid- a hug15:49
flaccid-thanks i appreciate it15:50
flaccid-its rare i get that around here :)15:50
jpdsflaccid-: oh... we always have hugs in #ubuntu-motu for example15:50
flaccid-ah probably didn't go there because its not 'k'15:50
flaccid-if i knew thats where the hugs were at...15:51
jpdsflaccid-: you wouldn't have seen http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1188 by any chance?15:51
* Myrtti thinks kubuntu is just another flavor of "general" ubuntu15:51
MyrttiHUGS ARE GREAT ♥15:53
* jussi01 hugs Myrtti15:53
flaccid-jpds, unfortunately thats far from what i get.15:53
jussi01Myrtti: OH noes!!! I didnt hug you when I was there!!!15:53
Myrtti:-O15:54
MyrttiTRUE!15:54
jpdsflaccid-: awww.. :(15:54
flaccid-we are the soldiers in the front line15:54
* Myrtti feels oddly... deprived15:55
flaccid-i can understand that we mean nothing to the superiors...15:55
Myrttiharumph15:55
Myrttiflaccid-: come here and I'll hug?15:56
Myrtti=^___^=15:57
flaccid-hehe15:57
flaccid-im FOSS i can't afford a plane ticket15:57
flaccid-i just think the ubuntu 'team' needs to find a way to pay recognition to the people that have shown dedicated help15:57
flaccid-having to ask is a bit ridiculous15:58
jpdsflaccid-: heh, I only exactly how that feels, I couldn't get the money to buy a passport to go to the last dev summit15:58
flaccid-should i have joined the ubuntu brainstorm and got a green tick for free?15:58
EkusheyMyrtti, ping17:16
Myrttipong17:16
EkusheyMyrtti, @ubuntu.com alias is setup automatically, or do i need to do anything?17:17
Myrttimine is working a-ok17:17
Ekusheyi was added to the LP ~ubuntumembers team today and my alias isn't working yet17:18
Myrttiand I did nothing to make them work17:18
Myrttithey fixed the script that does the aliases few days ago17:18
Myrttihm, it might take a couple of days, I'm told17:19
Ekusheyok, i'll wait for 2 days and see what happens17:19
Ekusheythanks, Myrtti17:20
Myrttinp17:20
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