[12:42] hello, i was told to come to this channel to upgrade to a staffer (i have read "code of conduct") [12:44] liassist, PriceChild is the person to talk to :) [12:44] liassist: to upgrade to a staffer? [12:44] liassist: 'upgrade to a staffer'? [12:44] liassist: do you mean talk to a staffer to get a cloak? [12:45] no to become a staffer [12:45] what kind of staffer? do you mean channel operator? [12:45] yes [12:46] Where? [12:47] #ubuntu [12:47] liassist: when we need new ops we usually pick from the helpers in the channel [12:47] liassist: you don't need ops to be useful in a channel, giving support, helping manage it etc. [12:48] well, ive been helpin scince 2-years but ive been changing my nick sometimes [12:48] liassist: Infact I can't remember the last time I used my operator access in #ubuntu, which could be a good or bad things depending on how you look at it. [12:50] yes i know but people seem to listen well this way [12:50] What do you mean? [12:51] well, ive been active on the ubuntu commutnity now iam even a ubunteros and i know someone told me to become a channel op [12:54] sir, if you are busy you can tell me ill leave [12:55] I'm not telling you to leave, but rather I'll reiterate what PriceChild has already said: when we need new ops we usually pick from the helpers in the channel. [13:00] ok so thankx i was really geting anxious [13:00] Just be helpful and be yourself in #ubuntu :) [13:02] well ok [13:04] strange ... ^^ [13:05] Maybe there are other habits on others IRCs where he is on [13:05] doesn't matter anyway [13:05] I've most certainly been on IRC way too long [13:15] hey Myrtti [13:16] hi Ekushey [13:16] just wanted to say hello [13:16] :-) [13:17] :) [14:33] * Myrtti considers a new hackergotchi [15:09] flaccid-: Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same IRC team ;-) [15:09] jpds, not really [15:10] its a matter of participation and availability [15:10] i've come here and #ubuntu-ops for health, rarely much success [15:10] health=help [15:11] well, we can't be around all the time.. [15:12] i know that [15:12] i've had responses from ubuntu people saying they can't help [15:12] ah ,yes [15:13] which makes me think, instead of this generic nature, why not #kubuntu-ops ? [15:13] flaccid-: because all the kubuntu ops are in #ubuntu.ops [15:13] sorry, #ubuntu-ops [15:14] [20:14] [Kick] You have been kicked from channel #kubuntu-ops by ChanServ (Invite only channel). [15:14] flaccid-: the problem is the lack of kubuntu ops at certain times. not where they might be situated. [15:15] * emonkey is op on the german speaking kubuntu channels, should I be in some #*ubuntu-ops channel? [15:15] emonkey: no [15:15] emonkey: no, see /topic :) [15:16] emonkey: thats what this channel is for [15:16] very good [15:16] then is everything in order :) [15:16] well maybe i can help with that ? [15:17] flaccid-: help with what? [15:17] the lack of operators [15:17] * Hobbsee was waiting for that. [15:17] * flaccid- was waiting for Hobbsee to say that... [15:17] :) [15:17] so then, you should know my answer without me telling you, right? [15:18] Hobbsee, i've never asked out of nearly 4 years of helping [15:18] how many more years does it need to be? [15:19] I've noted that no-one who asks for it, gets [15:19] flaccid-: yeah, but it's more the fact that every once in a while you get banned from #kubuntu yourself, for breaking the rules, which is more of a problem.... [15:20] thats questionable Hobbsee [15:21] the truth is that i don't wont ops, but me and some others are the ones that cop it when ops are not around.. [15:21] and i've proven myself well enough [15:21] flaccid-: there is an ops trigger for when we arent around/looking [15:21] i know that. [15:21] flaccid-: i agree, that finding more ops is a good idea. [15:22] Hobbsee, so besides my questionable past, what is stopping me from becoming one of these people? [15:22] and it would be a good idea to get a shortlist of those, so it can be voted on [15:22] flaccid-: I also that more ops would be nice, however some... say that we have too many.. [15:22] well besides a handful of 'good' ops, i rarely see the others being active in the channel in question [15:23] thats some basic feedback.. [15:23] flaccid-: how often do you actually use !ops and no one is around? [15:23] i've dont it a few times [15:23] and no response? [15:23] i wouldn't say the lack of response if frequent. so you have a good point. [15:24] but once i again i didn't ask for ops. someone expressed that there is a lack of ops... [15:24] quite different.. [15:24] flaccid-: the evidence that the past is actually past, and would not replicate itself at any point in the future. [15:25] Hobbsee, sorry? [15:25] nobody can predict human behaviour ? [15:26] i don't need ops, but i wouldn't mind some backup without having to trigger !ops ... [15:26] thats the point. [15:26] prevention is better than cure :) [15:31] Hobbsee, how would you feel about a trial period? [15:31] flaccid-: i'd have to think about that [15:31] np [15:32] let me just express once again, that this is not for me. i just don't want to have to be frustrated and leave because of some users. ops shouldn't have to be triggered imho to moderate... [15:38] * Hobbsee wonders why ops should not have to be triggered. [15:38] after all, not everyone spends all the time on irc, especially in a single channel [15:39] because the response sometimes can be a while [15:40] i ack your point and put it to rest [15:41] may i ask, is there any encouragement for one like myself who is a dominant helper ? [15:41] encouragement? [15:41] yes [15:41] humans live for a feeling of importance [15:42] !helpersnack [15:42] Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [15:42] :) [15:42] something like that is better than nothing... [15:42] i never even knew about that thanks jussi01 :) [15:43] flaccid-: write a script to remind yourself of how helpful you are, ifyou like. [15:43] everyone deserves it, so... [15:44] everyone ? [15:44] why would you say that? [15:45] all the helpers, all the ops, all the people who offer support, all the people who put ubuntu together, all the people who otherwise contribute to ubuntu... [15:45] thats a massive generalisation considering im the one being judged [15:45] all these people and me are certainly not equal [15:47] "being an administrator shouldn't be a big deal" [15:47] - and it isn't. [15:47] exactly and thats pretty far from my point [15:47] flaccid-: but we're all what make Ubuntu special. [15:48] exactly [15:48] another generalisation [15:48] define special ? [15:48] speshul [15:48] hehe [15:48] * Myrtti snugglewuggles everyone [15:48] the good ol sugar down strategy, i can appreciate that [15:48] wont' work on me but :) [15:49] it's just me [15:49] pay no attention :-P [15:49] and thats your right for sure [15:49] * Myrtti gives jpds a lollipop [15:49] * jpds gives Myrtti and flaccid- a hug [15:50] thanks i appreciate it [15:50] its rare i get that around here :) [15:50] flaccid-: oh... we always have hugs in #ubuntu-motu for example [15:50] ah probably didn't go there because its not 'k' [15:51] if i knew thats where the hugs were at... [15:51] flaccid-: you wouldn't have seen http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1188 by any chance? [15:51] * Myrtti thinks kubuntu is just another flavor of "general" ubuntu [15:53] HUGS ARE GREAT ♥ [15:53] * jussi01 hugs Myrtti [15:53] jpds, unfortunately thats far from what i get. [15:53] Myrtti: OH noes!!! I didnt hug you when I was there!!! [15:54] :-O [15:54] TRUE! [15:54] flaccid-: awww.. :( [15:54] we are the soldiers in the front line [15:55] * Myrtti feels oddly... deprived [15:55] i can understand that we mean nothing to the superiors... [15:55] harumph [15:56] flaccid-: come here and I'll hug? [15:57] =^___^= [15:57] hehe [15:57] im FOSS i can't afford a plane ticket [15:57] i just think the ubuntu 'team' needs to find a way to pay recognition to the people that have shown dedicated help [15:58] having to ask is a bit ridiculous [15:58] flaccid-: heh, I only exactly how that feels, I couldn't get the money to buy a passport to go to the last dev summit [15:58] should i have joined the ubuntu brainstorm and got a green tick for free? [17:16] Myrtti, ping [17:16] pong [17:17] Myrtti, @ubuntu.com alias is setup automatically, or do i need to do anything? [17:17] mine is working a-ok [17:18] i was added to the LP ~ubuntumembers team today and my alias isn't working yet [17:18] and I did nothing to make them work [17:18] they fixed the script that does the aliases few days ago [17:19] hm, it might take a couple of days, I'm told [17:19] ok, i'll wait for 2 days and see what happens [17:20] thanks, Myrtti [17:20] np === AndrewB_ is now known as AndrewB [19:42] PriceChild: have you seen this ? [19:42] 20:41 Hello erUSUL, have you ever wanted to buy a bra for yourself, but just haven't had the time, confidence, courage, or money? Bras can be worn by men too, and we are the answer for you. We can fit you into a bra(or bras) just for you for your wearing pleasure. At Victoria's Secret IRC we offer many [19:42] styles of bras for ll purposes and sizes. Never go out without a bra again. Josin #victoria'ssecret for more info. 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