[12:42] <liassist> hello, i was told to come to this channel to upgrade to a staffer (i have read "code of conduct")
[12:44] <Ekushey> liassist, PriceChild is the person to talk to :)
[12:44] <PriceChild> liassist: to upgrade to a staffer?
[12:44] <Pici> liassist: 'upgrade to a staffer'?
[12:44] <PriceChild> liassist: do you mean talk to a staffer to get a cloak?
[12:45] <liassist> no to become a staffer
[12:45] <PriceChild> what kind of staffer? do you mean channel operator?
[12:45] <liassist> yes
[12:46] <PriceChild> Where?
[12:47] <liassist> #ubuntu
[12:47] <PriceChild> liassist: when we need new ops we usually pick from the helpers in the channel
[12:47] <PriceChild> liassist: you don't need ops to be useful in a channel, giving support, helping manage it etc.
[12:48] <liassist> well, ive been helpin scince 2-years but ive been changing my nick sometimes
[12:48] <PriceChild> liassist: Infact I can't remember the last time I used my operator access in #ubuntu, which could be a good or bad things depending on how you look at it.
[12:50] <liassist> yes i know but people seem to listen well this way
[12:50] <Pici> What do you mean?
[12:51] <liassist> well, ive been active on the ubuntu commutnity now iam even a ubunteros and i know someone told me to become a channel op
[12:54] <liassist> sir, if you are busy you can tell me ill leave
[12:55] <Pici> I'm not telling you to leave, but rather I'll reiterate what PriceChild has already said:  when we need new ops we usually pick from the helpers in the channel.
[13:00] <liassist> ok so thankx i was really geting anxious
[13:00] <Pici> Just be helpful and be yourself in #ubuntu :)
[13:02] <liassist> well ok
[13:04] <emonkey> strange ... ^^
[13:05] <emonkey> Maybe there are other habits on others IRCs where he is on
[13:05] <emonkey> doesn't matter anyway
[13:05] <Myrtti> I've most certainly been on IRC way too long
[13:15] <Ekushey> hey Myrtti
[13:16] <Myrtti> hi Ekushey
[13:16] <Ekushey> just wanted to say hello
[13:16] <Myrtti> :-)
[13:17] <Ekushey> :)
[14:33]  * Myrtti considers a new hackergotchi
[15:09] <jpds> flaccid-: Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same IRC team ;-)
[15:09] <flaccid-> jpds, not really
[15:10] <flaccid-> its a matter of participation and availability
[15:10] <flaccid-> i've come here and #ubuntu-ops for health, rarely much success
[15:10] <flaccid-> health=help
[15:11] <jpds> well, we can't be around all the time..
[15:12] <flaccid-> i know that
[15:12] <flaccid-> i've had responses from ubuntu people saying they can't help
[15:12] <jpds> ah ,yes
[15:13] <flaccid-> which makes me think, instead of this generic nature, why not #kubuntu-ops ?
[15:13] <jussi01> flaccid-: because all the kubuntu ops are in #ubuntu.ops
[15:13] <jussi01> sorry, #ubuntu-ops
[15:14] <Ekushey> [20:14] [Kick] You have been kicked from channel #kubuntu-ops by ChanServ (Invite only channel).
[15:14] <Hobbsee> flaccid-: the problem is the lack of kubuntu ops at certain times.  not where they might be situated.
[15:15]  * emonkey is op on the german speaking kubuntu channels, should I be in some #*ubuntu-ops channel?
[15:15] <jussi01> emonkey: no
[15:15] <Hobbsee> emonkey: no, see /topic :)
[15:16] <jussi01> emonkey: thats what this channel is for
[15:16] <emonkey> very good
[15:16] <emonkey> then is everything in order :)
[15:16] <flaccid-> well maybe i can help with that ?
[15:17] <jussi01> flaccid-: help with what?
[15:17] <flaccid-> the lack of operators
[15:17]  * Hobbsee was waiting for that.
[15:17]  * flaccid- was waiting for Hobbsee to say that...
[15:17] <flaccid-> :)
[15:17] <Hobbsee> so then, you should know my answer without me telling you, right?
[15:18] <flaccid-> Hobbsee, i've never asked out of nearly 4 years of helping
[15:18] <flaccid-> how many more years does it need to be?
[15:19] <Myrtti> I've noted that no-one who asks for it, gets
[15:19] <Hobbsee> flaccid-: yeah, but it's more the fact that every once in a while you get banned from #kubuntu yourself, for breaking the rules, which is more of a problem....
[15:20] <flaccid-> thats questionable Hobbsee
[15:21] <flaccid-> the truth is that i don't wont ops, but me and some others are the ones that cop it when ops are not around..
[15:21] <flaccid-> and i've proven myself well enough
[15:21] <jussi01> flaccid-: there is an ops trigger for when we arent around/looking
[15:21] <flaccid-> i know that.
[15:21] <Hobbsee> flaccid-: i agree, that finding more ops is a good idea.
[15:22] <flaccid-> Hobbsee, so besides my questionable past, what is stopping me from becoming one of these people?
[15:22] <Hobbsee> and it would be a good idea to get a shortlist of those, so it can be voted on
[15:22] <jpds> flaccid-: I also that more ops would be nice, however some... say that we have too many..
[15:22] <flaccid-> well besides a handful of 'good' ops, i rarely see the others being active in the channel in question
[15:23] <flaccid-> thats some basic feedback..
[15:23] <jussi01> flaccid-: how often do you actually use !ops and no one is around?
[15:23] <flaccid-> i've dont it a few times
[15:23] <jussi01> and no response?
[15:23] <flaccid-> i wouldn't say the lack of response if frequent. so you have a good point.
[15:24] <flaccid-> but once i again i didn't ask for ops. someone expressed that there is a lack of ops...
[15:24] <flaccid-> quite different..
[15:24] <Hobbsee> flaccid-: the evidence that the past is actually past, and would not replicate itself at any point in the future.
[15:25] <flaccid-> Hobbsee, sorry?
[15:25] <flaccid-> nobody can predict human behaviour ?
[15:26] <flaccid-> i don't need ops, but i wouldn't mind some backup without having to trigger !ops ...
[15:26] <flaccid-> thats the point.
[15:26] <flaccid-> prevention is better than cure :)
[15:31] <flaccid-> Hobbsee, how would you feel about a trial period?
[15:31] <Hobbsee> flaccid-: i'd have to think about that
[15:31] <flaccid-> np
[15:32] <flaccid-> let me just express once again, that this is not for me. i just don't want to have to be frustrated and leave because of some users. ops shouldn't have to be triggered imho to moderate...
[15:38]  * Hobbsee wonders why ops should not have to be triggered.
[15:38] <Hobbsee> after all, not everyone spends all the time on irc, especially in a single channel
[15:39] <flaccid-> because the response sometimes can be a while
[15:40] <flaccid-> i ack your point and put it to rest
[15:41] <flaccid-> may i ask, is there any encouragement for one like myself who is a dominant helper ?
[15:41] <Hobbsee> encouragement?
[15:41] <flaccid-> yes
[15:41] <flaccid-> humans live for a feeling of importance
[15:42] <jussi01> !helpersnack
[15:42] <jussi01> :)
[15:42] <flaccid-> something like that is better than nothing...
[15:42] <flaccid-> i never even knew about that thanks jussi01  :)
[15:43] <Hobbsee> flaccid-: write a script to remind yourself of how helpful you are, ifyou like.
[15:43] <Hobbsee> everyone deserves it, so...
[15:44] <flaccid-> everyone ?
[15:44] <flaccid-> why would you say that?
[15:45] <Hobbsee> all the helpers, all the ops, all the people who offer support, all the people who put ubuntu together, all the people who otherwise contribute to ubuntu...
[15:45] <flaccid-> thats a massive generalisation considering im the one being judged
[15:45] <flaccid-> all these people and me are certainly not equal
[15:47] <Myrtti> "being an administrator shouldn't be a big deal"
[15:47] <Myrtti> - and it isn't.
[15:47] <flaccid-> exactly and thats pretty far from my point
[15:47] <jpds> flaccid-: but we're all what make Ubuntu special.
[15:48] <Myrtti> exactly
[15:48] <flaccid-> another generalisation
[15:48] <flaccid-> define special ?
[15:48] <Myrtti> speshul
[15:48] <flaccid-> hehe
[15:48]  * Myrtti snugglewuggles everyone
[15:48] <flaccid-> the good ol sugar down strategy, i can appreciate that
[15:48] <flaccid-> wont' work on me but :)
[15:49] <Myrtti> it's just me
[15:49] <Myrtti> pay no attention :-P
[15:49] <flaccid-> and thats your right for sure
[15:49]  * Myrtti gives jpds a lollipop
[15:49]  * jpds gives Myrtti and flaccid- a hug
[15:50] <flaccid-> thanks i appreciate it
[15:50] <flaccid-> its rare i get that around here :)
[15:50] <jpds> flaccid-: oh... we always have hugs in #ubuntu-motu for example
[15:50] <flaccid-> ah probably didn't go there because its not 'k'
[15:51] <flaccid-> if i knew thats where the hugs were at...
[15:51] <jpds> flaccid-: you wouldn't have seen http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1188 by any chance?
[15:51]  * Myrtti thinks kubuntu is just another flavor of "general" ubuntu
[15:53] <Myrtti> HUGS ARE GREAT ♥
[15:53]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[15:53] <flaccid-> jpds, unfortunately thats far from what i get.
[15:53] <jussi01> Myrtti: OH noes!!! I didnt hug you when I was there!!!
[15:54] <Myrtti> :-O
[15:54] <Myrtti> TRUE!
[15:54] <jpds> flaccid-: awww.. :(
[15:54] <flaccid-> we are the soldiers in the front line
[15:55]  * Myrtti feels oddly... deprived
[15:55] <flaccid-> i can understand that we mean nothing to the superiors...
[15:55] <Myrtti> harumph
[15:56] <Myrtti> flaccid-: come here and I'll hug?
[15:57] <Myrtti> =^___^=
[15:57] <flaccid-> hehe
[15:57] <flaccid-> im FOSS i can't afford a plane ticket
[15:57] <flaccid-> i just think the ubuntu 'team' needs to find a way to pay recognition to the people that have shown dedicated help
[15:58] <flaccid-> having to ask is a bit ridiculous
[15:58] <jpds> flaccid-: heh, I only exactly how that feels, I couldn't get the money to buy a passport to go to the last dev summit
[15:58] <flaccid-> should i have joined the ubuntu brainstorm and got a green tick for free?
[17:16] <Ekushey> Myrtti, ping
[17:16] <Myrtti> pong
[17:17] <Ekushey> Myrtti, @ubuntu.com alias is setup automatically, or do i need to do anything?
[17:17] <Myrtti> mine is working a-ok
[17:18] <Ekushey> i was added to the LP ~ubuntumembers team today and my alias isn't working yet
[17:18] <Myrtti> and I did nothing to make them work
[17:18] <Myrtti> they fixed the script that does the aliases few days ago
[17:19] <Myrtti> hm, it might take a couple of days, I'm told
[17:19] <Ekushey> ok, i'll wait for 2 days and see what happens
[17:20] <Ekushey> thanks, Myrtti
[17:20] <Myrtti> np
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[20:34] <Nafallo> Myrtti: ping
[20:36] <Nafallo> hmm
[20:50] <Nafallo> 20:34 < Nafallo> Myrtti: ping