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[03:14] <chattan> What ubuntu 8.04.1 ? would u tell me ?
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[09:08] <HardDisk> ubuntu membership for Africa was on the 2nd.. I missed it.
[09:08] <HardDisk> I'll have to wait for the next one.
[09:08] <Seveas> HardDisk, and on the 10th
[09:09] <Seveas> next time will be 17th, 18:00 UTC
[09:09] <HardDisk> Middle-East/Africa included on the 17th correct?
[09:10] <HardDisk> I'll just have to make sure Jack_Sparrow and leftyfb are awake then :)
[09:10] <HardDisk> thanks Seveas.
[09:12] <HardDisk> I checked the fridge, and it wasn't mentioned anything for the 17th in regards to a EMEA membership meeting, just FYI
[09:17] <Seveas> HardDisk, they don't know it yet
[09:17] <Seveas> I'm one of the EMEA board members, I know :)
[09:17] <HardDisk> haha :D
[09:17] <HardDisk> Fair enough.
[09:17] <HardDisk> Seveas, I also have some issues concerning our local LoCo who may I direct my "issues"
[09:18] <Seveas> HardDisk, LoCo council
[09:18] <HardDisk> Good to know.
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[13:18]  * Rafik is away: Très afk... j'crois que j'suis en train de réviser
[13:19]  * Rafik is back (gone 00:00:36)
[13:19]  * Rafik is away: Je reviens plus tard :)
[13:19] <stgraber> Rafik: please don't use away message on channels with lot of people (like this one)
[13:21]  * Rafik is back (gone 00:02:30)
[13:21] <Rafik> i'm sorry
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[18:00] <pedro_> hello
[18:00] <mgunes> hi all
[18:00]  * ogasawara waves
[18:00] <davmor2_laptop> hello
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[18:01]  * stgraber waves
[18:01] <sbeattie> [Hey
[18:02] <pedro_> bdmurray: around?
[18:03] <bdmurray> pedro_: yep
[18:03] <pedro_> great, let's get started then
[18:03] <pedro_> Welcome to the QA Team Meeting
[18:03] <pedro_> heno is not around today, he's at London IIRC
[18:04] <pedro_> Today's agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:04]  * mgunes missed the last meeting due to the time shift
[18:04] <pedro_> we still don't have bot, right?
[18:05] <stgraber> mgunes: that and we were in #ubuntu-testing as #ubuntu-meeting was used for another meeting
[18:05] <stgraber> pedro_: try #startmeeting
[18:05] <pedro_> #startmeeting
[18:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:07. The chair is pedro_.
[18:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:05] <pedro_> oh it's working , nice
[18:05] <stgraber> so we have it :)
[18:05] <mgunes> stgraber, I noticed the shift minutes to the previous start time, so I really was out of luck ;)
[18:05] <mgunes> sorry about that
[18:05] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Hardy 8.04.1 SRU Verifications
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardy 8.04.1 SRU Verifications
[18:06] <pedro_> I've been looking to the SRU list http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[18:06] <pedro_> and we have still a lot of verifications to do
[18:06] <pedro_> some of them are pretty old (more than 30 days)
[18:07] <pedro_> like the grub-installer ; bug 217348
[18:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 217348 in wubi "Incorrect disk order detection generates wrong menu.lst" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217348
[18:07] <bdmurray> Are there 8.04.1 dailies now?
[18:08] <mgunes> bdmurray, yes
[18:08] <stgraber> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[18:08] <slangasek> currently only oversized ones, and alternate-only at the moment
[18:10] <nxvl> mgunes: hiQ!
[18:12] <pedro_> Ok so, the process need to be speed up a bit in order to have those fixes included in 8.04.1
[18:12] <sbeattie> some of the ones sitting with long times are a little more difficult to test I think
[18:12] <ogasawara> does there currently exist a document instructing reporters how then can enable -proposed and test possible fixes?
[18:13] <mgunes> nxvl, hello
[18:13] <stgraber> we have that on the wiki IIRC, give me a second
[18:13] <mgunes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[18:13] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed ?
[18:13] <pedro_> yeah i was blogged
[18:13] <ogasawara> perfect
[18:13] <pedro_> s/i/it
[18:13] <stgraber> argh, mgunes was faster :)
[18:14] <sbeattie> pedro_: I've been hacking on laserjock's script that he posted to give an alternate view of outstanding sru's
[18:14] <sbeattie> sample output here: http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/sru_todo2.html
[18:14] <pedro_> [LINK] http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/sru_todo2.html
[18:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.nxnw.org/~steve/tmp/sru_todo2.html
[18:15] <sbeattie> I wanted to be able to see the bug descriptions all in one place, and go through and try to highlight which ones are difficult to test and get attention paid to them
[18:15] <bdmurray> sbeattie: ooh, that rocks!
[18:15] <pedro_> that's pretty cool ;-)
[18:16] <ogasawara> very cool
[18:16] <mgunes> sbeattie, any objections to publicizing this page (for testers on the forums, etc.)?
[18:16] <sbeattie> that list is supposed to be what's in main, but there's some universe packages mingling there
[18:17] <pedro_> sbeattie: [wishlist] could you add a sort method? like one sorting for age (oldest to newest one) :-)
[18:17] <sbeattie> mgunes: hold off a bit, I'd like to get in a location other than my home server.
[18:17] <mgunes> sbeattie, alright
[18:17] <sbeattie> pedro_: ooh, good idea.
[18:18] <pedro_> you can always move it to people.ubuntu.com ;-)
[18:19] <sbeattie> Jordan/laserjock has a location on ubuntuwire that I had hoped he would integrate it into
[18:19] <pedro_> rock on
[18:19] <pedro_> ok let's assign to us some of the SRU's
[18:19] <pedro_> any takers for bug 221501 ?
[18:19] <sbeattie> pedro_: I also want to have it highlight bugs that it can't find testcases for.
[18:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 221501 in kickseed "grub-installer failing on Hardy kickseed when "bootloader --md5pass" is set" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221501
[18:21] <sbeattie> pedro_: I'll take it
[18:21] <pedro_> sbeattie: great, thanks you!
[18:21] <pedro_> i can take bug 217348
[18:21] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 217348 in wubi "Incorrect disk order detection generates wrong menu.lst" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217348
[18:22] <mgunes> I've neglected to start a forum thread (in the development section) in which to post instructions and guide people towards doing some verification (I'm in the process of moving house so really been busy with that)
[18:22] <pedro_> anybody for bug 218549 ?
[18:22] <mgunes> now that I'm this late, I'll perhaps highlight the oldest pending SRUs
[18:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 218549 in rescue "Choosing "Reboot" in rescue menu jumps to main menu" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218549
[18:22] <sbeattie> mgunes: oh good, I meant to do that as well, but am happy if you can do that.
[18:23] <mgunes> sbeattie, I'll do it within the next few hours
[18:23] <pedro_> mgunes: indeed you may also want to highlight some of the universe ones, there's a couple older than 40 days there :-(
[18:23] <pedro_> that'd be neat
[18:23] <mgunes> pedro_, will do
[18:23] <sbeattie> mgunes: another idea heno had was to have a "Help ubuntu by playing games" post/blog to test for regressions in the gnome-games update in -proposed
[18:24] <pedro_> mgunes: rock on , thanks
[18:24] <sbeattie> as a way to get people interested in testing pending packages.
[18:25] <mgunes> sbeattie, I wasn't aware of that one; perhaps worth doing a separate post
[18:25] <sbeattie> mgunes: yeah, as a seperate item.
[18:25]  * mgunes takes note
[18:28] <sbeattie> pedro_: I can take bug 218549 asuming it's reproducable on the alternative isos.
[18:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 218549 in rescue "Choosing "Reboot" in rescue menu jumps to main menu" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218549
[18:28] <bdmurray> I think that is alternate only actually
[18:29] <bdmurray> Live CDs don't have the rescue menu
[18:30] <sbeattie> okay. then I'll it.
[18:30] <pedro_> sbeattie: ok thanks again
[18:30] <pedro_> well everybody feel free to take any bugs also from that list and verified them
[18:30] <pedro_> universe need help also so if you have a couple of free minutes a good idea is to help them also
[18:31] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Intrepid QA Schedule
[18:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Intrepid QA Schedule
[18:31] <pedro_> bdmurray: ^
[18:32] <bdmurray> So I've fully updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/IntrepidSchedule and wanted to make sure it looks sane to everyone before e-mailing it out
[18:32] <bdmurray> I also put an explanation as to waht focus areas mean at the bottom of the page
[18:34] <bdmurray> Barring any objections I'll send an e-mail about it this week
[18:35] <pedro_> looks good to me
[18:35] <pedro_> did you introduced another change besides the 8.04.1 ISO Testing task?
[18:35] <davmor2_laptop> +1
[18:36] <bdmurray> The string-fix bit is new and test case review which we talked about
[18:36] <mgunes> +1
[18:36] <bdmurray> ogasawara: is the kernel ready for Alpha 1?
[18:37] <davmor2_laptop> evolution isn't
[18:38] <sbeattie> bdmurray: what's testcase review?
[18:38] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I think the Intrepid kernel is still having some build issues
[18:38] <bdmurray> sbeattie: finalization of ISO test cases
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[18:38] <bdmurray> hmm, I'll add that to the bottom
[18:39] <sbeattie> thanks
[18:39] <bdmurray> thank you for pointing that out
[18:40] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I'll leave the solicit kernel testing for this week on there anywya
[18:41] <bdmurray> Okay, well that's all I had.
[18:42] <pedro_> ok, any other business ?
[18:43] <stgraber> nope
[18:43] <mgunes> I have a late spec that I'm not sure I can get approval for, now that I've missed the spec deadline.. but probably need heno around to discuss that
[18:43] <mgunes> I'll post to the list.
[18:43] <pedro_> mgunes: yep that's best
[18:44] <pedro_> ok
[18:44] <stgraber> mgunes: shouldn't be a problem, I still have to spec two of the QA website things. Just ping heno
[18:44] <pedro_> #endmeeting
[18:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:46.
[18:44] <pedro_> thanks everybody!
[18:44] <mgunes> stgraber, cool, will do :)
[18:45] <mgunes> thanks, see you all
[18:47] <zul> @schedule montreal
[18:47] <ubottu> zul: Schedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: QA Team | 12 Jun 09:00: Desktop Team | 13 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu-ni Translation Sprint | 13 Jun 16:00: MOTU | 17 Jun 11:00:  Server Team
[18:49] <slangasek> @schedule
[18:49] <ubottu> slangasek: Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: QA Team | 12 Jun 13:00: Desktop Team | 13 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu-ni Translation Sprint | 13 Jun 20:00: MOTU | 17 Jun 15:00:  Server Team
[18:51] <sbeattie> slangasek: is it worth putting the 8.04.1 meeting on fridge?
[18:51] <slangasek> yes
[18:51] <slangasek> I was just checking the schedule to make sure we didn't have a room conflict :)
[18:51] <sbeattie> Heh
[18:53] <zul> slangasek: 0700 is when on the west coast again? :)
[18:53] <slangasek> midnight on the west coast
[18:54] <zul> ok I can make it then
[18:55] <slangasek> ah, are you on west coast time now?
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[22:56]  * TheMuso fetches breakfast quickly.
[22:57] <evand> hi
[22:58] <bryce> heya
[22:58] <ArneGoetje> morning
[22:58]  * slangasek waves
[22:58]  * cjwatson is just grabbing coffee and will be along for the meeting RSN
[22:59]  * TheMuso returns with breakfast.
[22:59] <calc> hi
[22:59] <TheMuso> Hello all.
[23:00] <doko> god morning
[23:00] <doko> oo
[23:01] <james_w> hi all
[23:01] <asac> hi!
[23:01] <cjwatson> evening all
[23:02] <Rafik> midnight here :)
[23:02] <cjwatson> thanks for getting by in my absence, and sorry I had to leave in a rush before last week's meeting
[23:02] <cjwatson> if you are expecting a reply from me to a mail, I suggest resending so I know that it needs to go to the top of the pile
[23:03] <ogra> did you get the one i forwarded today ?
[23:03] <cjwatson> ogra: I did, I'm going to talk with Chris about that when I'm in the London office tomorrow
[23:04] <cjwatson> anything else super-urgent that needs to be dealt with?
[23:04] <ogra> nah
[23:04] <doko> no
[23:04] <ogra> i think rich triggered the right thing though
[23:04] <cjwatson> yes
[23:05] <cjwatson> ok, let's go on to the agenda then, and AOB can come up at the end
[23:05] <cjwatson>  * Intrepid specs
[23:05] <ogra> sorry, i'm behind on paperwork, not done with specs yet
[23:05] <cjwatson> I'd like to do a quick whip-round and find out where people are with this; I have been starting to catch up on approvals
[23:05] <ogra> (and i only have three this time :( *blush*)
[23:05] <liw> I'm just adding blueprints to launchpad
[23:06] <cjwatson> let's just step through in alphabetical order
[23:06] <cjwatson> ArneGoetje:
[23:06] <asac> cjwatson: i linked my blueprints to the Platform page on the wiki
[23:06] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: font-selector is ready
[23:07] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: translation statistics need to be reviewed by someone who knows the details about implementation and fill in the blanks
[23:07] <cjwatson> with regard to linking, the easiest thing for me is if you hit "propose as goal" on the relevant Launchpad spec page and propose it for intrepid
[23:07] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid/Report/Platform
[23:07] <cjwatson> but adding them to the platform report page is good too
[23:07] <bryce> should we be setting them as Review or Pending Approval when they're ready for you to look at (or does it matter?)
[23:07] <asac> cjwatson: i also suggested as release goal iirc
[23:08] <cjwatson> bryce: yes please
[23:08] <cjwatson> I'm ignoring anything that's <= Drafting on the basis that it's presumably still in progress
[23:08]  * bryce nods
[23:08] <asac> cjwatson: when do you expect to have cleared your backlog so you have cycles to review/approve them? i would certainly clean them up before that date ;)
[23:09] <cjwatson> ArneGoetje: thanks
[23:09] <cjwatson> asac: I got through about four or five today, I think
[23:09] <cjwatson> so the sooner the better
[23:09] <asac> oh ... ok
[23:09] <asac> ill flip the switch tomorrow then i guess
[23:10] <cjwatson> asac: am I correct in assuming that the Intel connection manager discussion is not turning into a spec for intrepid?
[23:10] <cjwatson> it might be worth writing up properly anyway, just so that we have a record of the state of play
[23:10] <asac> cjwatson: yes. thats given
[23:10] <asac> it was more an informative session with the outcome that it wont be ready ;)
[23:10] <cjwatson> aye
[23:10] <cjwatson> still, I'd hate for the information to get lost in the swamp
[23:11] <asac> cjwatson: ill fork the spec out of it and paste the content in that page?
[23:11] <cjwatson> ArneGoetje: (please set font-selector's state in LP to something better than Drafting if it's ready)
[23:11] <asac> keeping it as "Discussion"? or what?
[23:11] <cjwatson> Informational, perhaps
[23:11] <cjwatson> that's a magic state that requires no implementation
[23:12] <asac> ok. i can look what i can do
[23:12] <asac> ACTION: asac to make an informational spec out of intel connection manager session notes
[23:12] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: doing it now
[23:12] <asac> :)
[23:12] <cjwatson> bryce: I have a bunch of mail in my inbox from your LP spec actions today, so I assume you're in progress there; anything that is yet to come?
[23:13] <bryce> yep, there's three that are priority for intrepid:  xorg-input-hotplug, xorg-options-editor, and the xorg testing spec
[23:14] <bryce> tseliot will be doing the xorg-options-editor spec so I'll be assisting there.  The spec is ready to go.
[23:14] <cjwatson> I'm still trying to decide what I think about xorg-ctrl-alt-backspace, I must admit
[23:14] <cjwatson> so glad you don't consider that a priority :)
[23:15] <bryce> xorg-input-hotplug you've already commented on and I imagine it's going to need some further discussion, but the spec is good to go other than that
[23:15] <calc> heh my 9mo old son found the ctrl-alt-backspace by accident last week
[23:15] <TheMuso> heh
[23:15] <bryce> yeah, there's 2-3 pick-up specs including that one, which *might* be doable for intrepid but are low priority
[23:16] <bryce> the testing spec was already approved and is sort of an ongoing process, but I've updated the spec for intrepid
[23:16] <cjwatson> calc: how about you?
[23:17] <calc> the only spec i know of that i have is the ooo-langpacks which you had mentioned you were going to write up after UDS
[23:17] <calc> the other one being the release schedule should that have a blueprint of some sort? eg informational?
[23:17] <cjwatson> ooo-langpacks> I'll dig through my notes for it, but if you have any yourself then please don't block on me
[23:18] <calc> well write the notes of the meeting somewhere in any case, since you were the one taking them :)
[23:18] <calc> i don't have any notes from the meeting myself
[23:18] <cjwatson> ok
[23:18] <cjwatson> release schedule> yes, there should be an Informational spec coming out of that
[23:18] <calc> i have the notes for the release schedule meeting though if that should be written up
[23:18] <calc> ok
[23:18] <calc> i'll write that up later tonight once i find my notes
[23:18] <cjwatson> the "implementation" would be entries on the release schedule calendar, or a separate calendar linked from it
[23:19] <calc> ok
[23:19] <cjwatson> evand: how are you getting on?
[23:19] <evand> dvd-performance-hacks approved, ubiquity-visual-refresh approved, and usb-installation-images approved.  Should I draft system recovery for OEMs?  Also, it looks like Ago has drafted the Wubi specification, though I imagine I'll be assigned for part of that, correct?
[23:19] <cjwatson> err, I skipped doko, sorry, will come back
[23:20] <cjwatson> (mutter, nick alphabetisation out of sync with real name alphabetisation ...)
[23:20] <doko> calc, cjwatson: sun still wants to know about our priority reports. we should update that list
[23:20] <doko> no assigned specs, maybe I should have one for openjdk in main, and probably python3. having mom doing merges from other releases than unstable (e.g. testing) would be another thing being useful for the coming debian freeze.
[23:20] <cjwatson> evand: please draft oem-system-recovery, yes
[23:20] <evand> cjwatson: will do
[23:21] <calc> doko: ok
[23:21] <cjwatson> evand: wubi> it seems probable, but I'll need to read the spec first; perhaps somebody more lightly loaded can jump in
[23:21] <cjwatson> I have a suspicion that ubiquity-visual-refresh actually comes to a fair whack of time
[23:22] <cjwatson> doko: I've heard that MoM can do merges from other releases on request; perhaps you could look into the deployed code and see what's involved there?
[23:22] <evand> cjwatson: I have the same suspicion, but it's also quite modular.
[23:22] <evand> noted though
[23:23] <slangasek> doko: hrm, wouldn't the coming debian freeze suggest it's more useful to merge from /experimental/ instead of unstable?  or are you expecting that the freeze of testing will cause lots of stuff to flow into unstable that's too crazy for us? :)
[23:24] <doko> slangasek: or even that; but merging from testing means to only merge the stuff which did survive the unstable->testing transition
[23:24] <doko> getting more stability into our current development release
[23:25] <cjwatson> mm, the trade-off is unfortunately not entirely obvious; bug fixes can end up getting delayed in that transition for Debian-specific reasons and I'd hate to have to explain that
[23:25] <cjwatson> I would like to be able to control it on a package-by-package basis
[23:27] <asac> maybe MoM should be able to present multiple merge options (testing/unstable/experimental) ... the merger can then take what fits best.
[23:27] <doko> then at least you have to offer both merges
[23:28] <cjwatson> asac: I believe unfortunately that the hosting machine runs out of disk space if you try to do that
[23:29] <cjwatson> but doko has access and should be able to experiment
[23:29] <doko> I do
[23:30] <asac> i also retrieved a complained by debian that the patches we provide are somewhat outdated
[23:30] <cjwatson> james_w: I think you just had distributed-development-importer, which is approved; anything else?
[23:30] <asac> how frequently or when are those recreated?
[23:31] <asac> ok ... maybe off-topic for now
[23:31] <asac> lets move ahead
[23:31] <james_w> cjwatson: nope, I contributed to the packagekit-intrpepid one, which mvo and glatzor are working on. I think that falls in to desktop though.
[23:32] <cjwatson> asac: they're supposed to be done very frequently, but of course there are operational problems from time to time
[23:32] <cjwatson> follow that up with doko (or possibly Keybuk)
[23:32] <asac> cjwatson: thanks.
[23:33] <cjwatson> james_w: ok, packagekit-intrepid sort of scares me but I should read it :-)
[23:33] <cjwatson> TheMuso: ?
[23:33] <TheMuso> I have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDesktopToolsA11yReview and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmraidSupport.
[23:33] <TheMuso> both are ready for review
[23:33] <TheMuso> And have been proposed as intrepid goals.
[23:33] <asac> TheMuso: will there be a spec about what will be done about the whole PA/sound complex?
[23:34] <TheMuso> asac: No, its just further work to get things better really. Only thing that needs doing, other than bugfixing and tracking upstream is to get pavucontrol into main.
[23:35] <TheMuso> Once glitch free lands in an upstream release, things should be much improed in terms of performance.
[23:36] <asac> TheMuso: ok, idont know about current intrepid state to be honest, but i got the feeling from my last chat with crimsun that not all issues are sorted (packaging wise) and that its still completely unsure what to do in hardy (once flash 10 becomes available).
[23:36] <TheMuso> asac: I'm not sure either. I would think we push flash10 into     updates...
[23:36] <asac> thats why i would a short summary on what actually was done in intrepid helpful
[23:36] <TheMuso> via flashplugin-nonfree.
[23:36] <cjwatson> TheMuso: thanks, in my review queue now
[23:36] <cjwatson> perhaps we can cover PA quickly later on, under 8.04.1
[23:36] <asac> k
[23:37] <cjwatson> liw: I think we've mostly covered everything of yours already by phone
[23:37] <cjwatson> so happy to move on by unless you have anything more to add there
[23:38] <liw> cjwatson, ack
[23:38] <liw> nothing to add
[23:38] <cjwatson> liw has a good stack which cover the general area of development of tools just above the packaging layer (though that's probably not the best description)
[23:40] <cjwatson> oh, and has also volunteered to try to do something with gobby
[23:40] <ogra> \o/
[23:40] <asac> liw: great. fix gobby!
[23:40]  * ogra hugs liw
[23:40] <asac> brave
[23:41]  * TheMuso needs to see if he can fix some a11y issues with that at some point, but its not important now. I can use it at least.
[23:41] <cjwatson> I think the first step there is gluing some revision control into the backend so that we at least have a chance of recovering from failures, like the one that took out the x.org-intrepid notes
[23:41] <TheMuso> heh and the dmraid notes, and likely other stuff also.
[23:41] <cjwatson> ogra: I see some recent e-mail from you via Launchpad ;-)
[23:42] <ogra> heh, yes, but i'm far from being done with draftin
[23:42] <liw> gobby has an actual server, sobby; sobby already has automatic saving; I added a hook to commit stuff to bzr after sobby writes stuff to files, will discuss with IS about whether they'd want to deploy that
[23:42] <cjwatson> local-content-filter, compcache [-> kernel team IIRC], edubuntu-menus-completion; anything else?
[23:42] <ogra> local-content-filter, compcache and the eternally recurring edubuntu-menus-completion are on my list atm
[23:42] <ogra> nope
[23:43] <ogra> i could write up soemthing about mesh, but thats probably less of a spec
[23:43] <cjwatson> I was just going to mention that
[23:43]  * bryce ouches @ xorg-intrepid notes lossage
[23:43] <cjwatson> I'd like to catch up with the output of that, since of everything in platform it was probably the thing I knew least about
[23:43] <ogra> we just identified that none of the drivers support it anyway yet and we have to wait or do weird hacks in software
[23:43] <bryce> (fortunately it was just an informational spec)
[23:44] <ogra> ok, i'll sum it up but informal
[23:44] <cjwatson> all right
[23:44] <cjwatson> slangasek: anything from you?
[23:44] <slangasek> cjwatson: no assigned specs, no
[23:45] <cjwatson> I have some progress on the archive-reorg specification, which I'd like to run by you and perhaps hand over
[23:45] <slangasek> ok
[23:46] <cjwatson> from my end, I also need to follow up on the policy-and-standards session
[23:46] <doko> which reminds me to start a plugin-policy draft ...
[23:47] <cjwatson> and by my count there is one remaining unassigned spec, namely boot-performance, so if anyone was in that session and would like to volunteer to write it up properly I'd appreciate it
[23:47] <cjwatson> the notes are in UDS-Intrepid/Report/Platform
[23:47] <cjwatson> moving on:
[23:47] <cjwatson>  * state of 8.04.1
[23:48] <cjwatson> slangasek: can you give a quick update here?
[23:48] <slangasek> I have a meeting scheduled with the team at 0700UTC tomorrow, a final push to get everything folks are working on verified and out
[23:49] <slangasek> the one major unresolved issue that I'm aware of is pulseaudio interaction, which is a topic for that meeting
[23:49] <slangasek> otherwise, we are on track with the kernel and as soon as we get some livecd-rootfs fixes deployed, we should be able to start rolling test images
[23:50] <cjwatson> did the gvfs/samba issues get resolved?
[23:51] <slangasek> not yet; upstream has been working on it but doesn't have a good patch yet, I'm planning to dive into this from the samba side more heavily tomorrow/Friday in the hopes of closing this out as well
[23:51] <doko> slangasek: stuff not on the CD, but still targeted to hardy still can be updated?
[23:52] <slangasek> doko: well, because of the OpenSSL issue I believe the scope of 8.04.1 is expanded to include all images (cjwatson, please correct me if I'm mistaken), which means we have to go through an ISO verification process for DVDs also
[23:53] <cjwatson> yes, there was discussion of doing a quick 8.04.1 with just the OpenSSL change and renaming the July release to 8.04.2, but I think at this point time has moved on such that that would just delay the scheduled point release for not much gain
[23:53] <asac> slangasek: unless mozilla defers their ffox 3.0 final release, those should definitly get on those images.
[23:54] <asac> those == final images
[23:54] <cjwatson> one thing I would still like to do is to move the updated openssl into hardy (release pocket)
[23:54] <slangasek> asac: you'll be around tomorrow morning to discuss that in detail?
[23:54] <cjwatson> just to further reduce the risk that new deployments will use it
[23:54] <doko> slangasek: ok, openjdk isn't on the cd either
[23:54] <slangasek> doko: s/cd/dvd/?
[23:54] <asac> slangasek: depends on how long this meeting last ;) ... but yes
[23:55] <doko> tomorrow morning? will be a hard time for asac ;-p
[23:55] <doko> slangasek: yep
[23:55] <asac> doko: today i started at 6:30 :-P
[23:55] <cjwatson> openjdk-6 is in hardy/universe, so presumably not especially subject to 8.04.1 restrictions except in that the SRU team will be busy with other things
[23:56] <doko> just should be in the archive when 8.04.1 is announced
[23:57] <cjwatson> ok, I'll catch up in more detail following the .1 meeting; thanks for that summary
[23:57] <cjwatson>  * state of Intrepid Alpha 1
[23:58] <cjwatson> from what I've gathered, the state here is "you fools, you shouldn't have scheduled it during 8.04.1 madness"
[23:58] <slangasek> roughly
[23:58] <slangasek> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/intrepid/ubuntu/20080611.1/livecd-20080611.1-amd64.out shows the packages that are still uninstallable for live CD building, there are still several
[23:59] <slangasek> evolution-exchange is self-explanatory, as is the apt ABI bump
[23:59] <slangasek> I don't know what the libffi4 problem is yet
[23:59] <slangasek> as cjwatson will already have noticed, I'm working on doing the intrepid merges for the various installer components that need to know about intrepid