[04:04] <Morph3us> hi.. somebody has an Asus Eeepc?
[04:10] <virtualroadside> any thoughts on how one might automatically or otherwise download cd covers compatible with moblin-media?
[04:11] <Morph3us> this project has made any release?
[04:12] <virtualroadside> AFAIK, still alpha/beta
[04:13] <Morph3us> virtualroadside, what means AFAIK ?
[04:13] <virtualroadside> as far as i know
[04:15] <Morph3us> thanks virtualroadside.. this projects is the same that ubuntu remix?
[04:15] <virtualroadside> im not sure what you mean
[04:17] <Morph3us> virtualroadside, recently was announced the release of Ubuntu Netbook Remix.. 
[04:19] <persia> This isn't the same project, although some of the people involved in the Netbook Remix also idle here.
[04:19] <virtualroadside> ooh.. the netbook remix looks interesting
[04:21] <Morph3us> persia, what is the main difference between both projects ?
[04:21] <persia> Morph3us: Ubuntu Mobile is a project to build a flavour of Ubuntu optimised for mobile devices.
[04:22] <Morph3us> persia, and UME is... ?
[04:22] <persia> Netbook Remix is a remix of Ubuntu that showcases various technologies for demonstration on a certain class of machines.
[04:22] <Morph3us> persia, all right..
[04:22] <Morph3us> persia, so if i have a Asus EeePC i should choose wich of them ?
[04:23] <persia> Morph3us: Depends on the definition of UME.  Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded is a more general project to handle both the mobile device model and the dedicated device model (although efforts to date have not focused on the Embedded part)
[04:24] <persia> Morph3us: I can't tell you what to install :)  Personally, I run Ubuntu Mobile on by SR8.
[04:24] <persia> s/by/my/
[04:25] <virtualroadside> Morph3us: i use UME in my carputer
[04:25] <virtualroadside> ie.. computer in my car
[04:25] <virtualroadside> works quite well for touchscreen apps
[04:28] <Morph3us> all right.. ubuntu for everyone.. 
[04:28] <Morph3us> persia, there are another project for ubuntu in cellphones? or is this project UME?
[04:29] <persia> Morph3us: There are two separate projects within Ubuntu with the acronym "UME".
[04:30] <persia> As for installation on cellphones, it's likely a matter of the definition of "cellphone".  If you've a computer that happens to have phone functionality, Ubuntu Mobile could work on it (although there is no dialer application by default).
[04:31] <persia> If you've a telephone that has some computing functionality, it's likely that it won't have sufficient processing /memory / storage for Ubuntu Mobile.
[04:32] <Morph3us> persia, thanks for the info.. 
[04:32] <Morph3us> i love ubuntu, but the customizations for the eeepc are bad, heavy and slow
[04:33] <Morph3us> i dream with an ubuntu from scratch.. with the possibility of customization for everyone..
[04:33] <Morph3us> i was thinkin about install ubuntu JeOS in my eeepc
[04:39] <persia> Morph3us: I'd probably recommend Ubuntu Mobile over JeOS.  JeOS is really designed for a virtualised applicance case, and so often doesn't include any UI.
[04:40] <Morph3us> persia, where can i download ubuntu mobile ?
[04:41] <persia> Morph3us: There are some test install images available from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/moblin/releases/hardy/rc2/  Note that these will format your device harddrive by default.  I've not heard any reports about whether they work on the Eee.
[04:42] <Morph3us> persia, can i try it on virtualbox ?
[04:43] <persia> Morph3us: I'm not sure.  You might be able to do so.  For KVM, see the testing page in the /topic.
[04:43] <virtualroadside> Morph3us: what I did, was installed a normal ubuntu system, installed the ubuntu-mobile package, and configured GDM to allow me to login to the UME
[04:43] <virtualroadside> however, the bug people really dont like that :p
[04:44] <persia> If you're going that route, you'd do best to use the Ubuntu alternate installer, and only install ubuntu-minimal, rather than the entire Ubuntu Desktop.
[04:44] <Morph3us> bug people? virtualroadside there is some tutorial about how you do it? (sorry for my bad english)
[04:44] <virtualroadside> true true
[04:44] <virtualroadside> no tutorial yet
[04:44] <persia> There's a lot of differences between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Mobile, and some packages behave differently in the two situations.
[04:45] <persia> Morph3us: The only tutorial I've seen is for building KVM images.
[04:45] <virtualroadside> *shrugs*
[04:45] <Morph3us> persia, do u know why ubuntu hardy is so inestable?
[04:45] <virtualroadside> it works for me
[04:45] <virtualroadside> it may work for you
[04:45] <virtualroadside> may not
[04:45] <persia> Morph3us: No.
[04:45] <virtualroadside> bug people == maintainers who look at stuff on launchpad
[04:46] <Morph3us> persia, there is a package named ubuntu-minimal ?
[04:46] <persia> Morph3us: There is.
[04:47] <Morph3us> persia, i don't knew that.. 
[04:48] <Morph3us> persia, can i install ubuntu server and after that ubuntu-minimal? should be lighter and faster that ubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <virtualroadside> persia: at some point im going to go back and do a minimal install, but i originally didn't know about UME when i installed the alpha hardy stuff, so its all there in one big mess. i've also created patches to fix various things, and im still waiting for some of them to trickle down to ubuntu from upstream
[04:48] <persia> Call for install testers: McCaslin RC3 images available from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/moblin/releases/hardy/rc3/ Menlow images expected soon
[04:48] <persia> Morph3us: Ubuntu Server is a superset of ubuntu-minimal
[04:48] <virtualroadside> ie.. its a mess atm :p
[04:49] <persia> virtualroadside: Understood.  If you've patches, you might try getting them into Ubuntu directly.
[04:49] <virtualroadside> yeah, zero luck there, its been easier to get them into upstream so far
[04:49] <Morph3us> persia, i am a little confused.. there is any official documentation about this ?
[04:50] <virtualroadside> and quite a few of the UME related packages lag far behind upstream for various reasons
[04:50] <persia> Morph3us: Lots, but scattered.  Try looking on the wiki for seeds, and investigating the ubuntu-meta source package.
[04:50] <persia> virtualroadside: Ah.  We'll have to change that.  Poke me next time you have a patch, and I'll try to help you with the sepentine processes involved in getting it applied.
[04:51] <persia> Regarding upstream delays: Ubuntu Mobile is currently frozen, for the Hardy release.  Once Hardy is released, intrepid should become trunk, and things catch up (although that may mean a rough ride for a prior install)
[04:53] <virtualroadside> yeah, i slowly became more aware of that... since i started messing with this stuff in late feb. 
[04:54] <Morph3us> persia, virtualroadside thanks for the info.. i must go now..
[04:57] <virtualroadside> persia: i'll be sure to poke you in the future. atm im trying to fix my mess so I can install the carputer back in my car for my 16 hour drive on thursday :)
[05:00] <persia> virtualroadside: Good luck.  I won't be able to do much until after release anyway.  Have a good drive.
[05:01] <virtualroadside> any thoughts on when release will be?
[05:03] <persia> Real Soon Now!  More seriously, the more people who can test RC3 and verify it works, the higher the chance that RC3 will be the final RC.
[13:20] <lool> suihkulokki: I wonder if by chance you had any success fixing the license of sdk-default-icons?
[14:43] <suihkulokki> lool: someone has been assigned for that
[14:44] <lool> suihkulokki: Good news, thanks
[14:44] <lool> suihkulokki: If there's a public bug, I'd love to subscribe to it
[14:45] <suihkulokki> no public bug I'm aware of.. I don't know if they'll manage to release the new sdk-default-icons before diablo release
[14:46] <lool> Ok
[21:08] <pwnguin> is this the same as the netbook stuff?
[21:13] <probono> no, this is a "sister project"
[21:14] <pwnguin> how confusing =(
[21:17] <pwnguin> so are they different mainly because they target different platforms, or is this some attempt to firewall canonical from ubuntu?
[21:22] <probono> i am not sure. i just asked the same question here a couple of days ago.
[21:23] <probono> i think ubuntu-mobile is for even smaller devices than the ubuntu netbook remix.
[21:23] <probono> but not really sure
[21:27] <mario_limonciell> Hi, I was wondering what would cause certain packages to just not be built for lpia in universe? particularly i was looking at : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crash/4.0-4.13-1ubuntu1 .  I didn't see any indications that should stop it from at least trying in debian/control, but didn't see any test builds show up
[21:30] <ogra> Architecture: i386 ia64 alpha powerpc amd64
[21:31] <ogra> mario_limonciell, i thik its pretty clear about the arches it wants to build on
[21:31] <mario_limonciell> doh.  I was greping for "lpia" to look for a not lpia :)
[21:31] <ogra> either make it 'any' so it builds everywhere or add 'lpia'
[21:31] <mario_limonciell> i wonder if there is a particular reason it wasn't done on lpia though
[21:32] <ogra> its not listed 
[21:32] <ogra> if arch isnt any or all it will only work down the list
[21:32] <mario_limonciell> is setting up an lpia pbuilder/sbuild just the same as how you would set up an i386 one on amd64?
[21:32] <ogra> yep
[21:33] <mario_limonciell> okay, i'll set up an lpia sbuild then and give it a run though that.  if it ends up working out fine, i'll upload a fix to intrepid
[21:33] <mario_limonciell> thanks
[21:33] <ogra> (at least fr chroots thats true, havent used pbuilder/sbuild in that context yet)
[21:35] <lool> mario_limonciell: thanks for fixing
[21:35] <lool> I've used lpia pbuilders; work fine, but only in tgz mode; cowbuilder doesn't work on amd64 just like i386
[21:35] <lool> I'd guess lpia works in cowbuilder under i386, didn't try though
[21:36] <mario_limonciell> lool, argh, unfortunately setting up sbuild w/ mk-sbuild-lv --arch lpia didn't work
[21:36] <mario_limonciell> so i'll needs fsck around a bit to find a box to put pbuilder on then
[21:40] <ogra> just do it in a chroot :)
[21:40] <mario_limonciell> yeah i might have to, which should be fine just for the purposes of checking if it builds
[21:57] <mario_limonciell> okay well i was able to build it on PPAs quicker than my chroot built :)  it does work so i'll upload it to intrepid.   (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/+archive/+build/634379)
[21:57] <ogra> sweet
[23:38] <slim1_> when i try to build image i got this error ,  http://phpfi.com/323730