[00:06] <leleobhz> can i change the password of revu?
[00:06] <sistpoty> no
[00:07] <leleobhz> hmmm
[00:07] <leleobhz> when i make my packages i must to use current or unstable version (this case, hardy+1)
[00:08] <sistpoty> yes, or build and test them in a chroot
[00:08] <leleobhz> sistpoty: ok, but i must use stable (hardy) or hardy+1 on this case
[00:08] <ScottK> Laney: If you can offer a good technical rationale, it should be fine.
[00:09] <wgrant> leleobhz: You must build the package in an Intrepid environment.
[00:09] <sistpoty> leleobhz: well, you'll need to build the packages for intrepid (e.g. in an intrepid pbuilder, or in a clean intrepid chroot)
[00:09] <wgrant> Whether chroot or real.
[00:10] <leleobhz> ok
[00:11] <leleobhz> i have a great cross compile script suite
[00:11] <leleobhz> i use to make backports too
[00:12] <leleobhz> so 0ubuntu3 for hardy turns 0ubuntu4 for intrepid?
[00:14] <jml> sistpoty: hello. are you still around?
[00:14] <sistpoty> jml: for a few minutes, yes
[00:14] <leleobhz> Distribution is intrepid.
[00:14] <leleobhz> Building the build environment
[00:14] <leleobhz> hoho, nice ;]
[00:14] <leleobhz> sistpoty: what i do with package version?
[00:15] <sistpoty> leleobhz: if the package is not yet in ubuntu, start with <upstream-version>-0ubuntu1.
[00:15] <jml> sistpoty: I'm on the Launchpad codehosting team. We've finally got around to looking at your branch
[00:15] <leleobhz> sistpoty: its on revu
[00:15] <leleobhz> sistpoty: on revu has for hardy
[00:15] <sistpoty> leleobhz: then there's no need to increase the version number, as long as it's not yet in the archive
[00:16] <sistpoty> jml: excellent, thanks!
[00:16] <jml> sistpoty: can you confirm that it works?
[00:16] <leleobhz> sistpoty: so return to 0ubuntu1?
[00:16] <leleobhz> and put target to intrepid?
[00:16] <sistpoty> jml: I've seen that RainCT has committed again, so I assume it works :)
[00:16] <jml> sistpoty: ok. cool.
[00:16] <sistpoty> leleobhz: yes
[00:16] <leleobhz> ok
[00:17] <sistpoty> jml: thank you very much for fixing it :)
[00:17] <ajmitch> morning jml :)
[00:17] <jml> ajmitch: hi
[00:17] <jml> sistpoty: no problems. sorry for breaking it in the first place :)
[00:18] <sistpoty> heh
[00:18] <ajmitch> have you been doing naughty things to code again?
[00:19] <jml> ajmitch: no, I've been fixing up the naughty things I did before.
[00:20] <ajmitch> that's a good thing
[00:20] <jml> ajmitch: I'm full of goodness :D
[00:21] <jml> well, coffee.
[00:21] <jml> but they are roughly the same thing anyway.
[00:21] <lifeless> :P
[00:29]  * sistpoty goes to bed now... gn8 everyone
[01:06] <Laney> Was a merge necessary for this? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14380019/gpsk31_0.4.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:06] <Laney> AIUI it would have gotten rebuilt anyway
[01:11] <persia> Laney: No.  That ought to have been a sync request.  The previously introduced Ubuntu variation ought have been assigned with the build1 nomenclature, but we weren't as well organised with variation nomenclature back in feisty.
[01:12] <persia> Laney: From which bug was that derived?
[01:12] <Laney> persia: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpsk31/+bug/228499
[01:13]  * persia grumbles about the spurious, useless, and actively inhibiting presence of "edge" in the URL.
[01:13] <persia> Bah.  It's already been released.
[01:13] <Laney> Sorry!
[01:13] <Laney> Yeah, I only saw it as there's a new Debian version. I'll request a sync for that one
[01:13] <persia> Sponsors: please verify that a merge is worthwhile before sponsoring.
[01:13] <persia> Laney: That works.  Thanks.
[01:14] <persia> (Assuming build success, etc.)
[01:14]  * Laney nods
[02:01] <ScottK> If someone wants reporting changes to Debian practice, have a look at amavisd-new.  It has some stuff that should be reported (that I haven't got to) and some that shouldn't.
[02:02] <ScottK> I'll be glad to review it and provide advice.
[02:23]  * mneptok hands ScottK a tall, cool glass of vitriol
[02:23] <ScottK> What happend now?
[02:24] <mneptok> i read mailing lists.
[02:24] <mneptok> i need to stop doing that/
[02:24] <ScottK> Bah.  Old news.
[02:26] <ScottK> Besides which, that was me with the CoC tempering my words.
[02:36] <ajmitch> mneptok: so your employer is part of the Axis of Evil now?
[02:37] <lifeless> part of?
[02:38] <persia> Axis?  Doesn't the shape change when there are more than two poles?
[02:39] <ajmitch> just referring to his post on planet ubuntu
[02:40] <persia> It could be improved by the use of: £
[02:41] <ajmitch> persia: well, it's a term that goes back a few decades at least :)
[02:41] <persia> ajmitch: True.
[02:41] <mneptok> ajmitch: wait until you see the 200ft reenforced concrete statue of sabdfl
[02:42] <mneptok> "Juche. An ancient African word meaning 'It's all for sale, baby.'"
[02:43] <ajmitch> where will the statue be built?
[02:44] <mneptok> on the grave of the GPL. or maybe New Jersey.
[02:45] <lifeless> the grave of new jersey is a bit big
[02:45] <lifeless> though perhaps it could be a small headstone for that grave
[02:54] <ScottK> It was a fun thread.
[03:07] <mneptok> ScottK: your definition of "fun" disturbs me
[03:07] <wgrant> mneptok: But Micronical is evil!
[03:08] <wgrant> (!!11!11!e°!11!)
[03:08] <ajmitch> spoken like a true shill
[03:09] <ScottK> No, no, no.  In that thread we clearly established the nixternal is the shill.
[03:09] <ajmitch> oh right, for his slight sympathy of opensuse
[03:09] <nixternal> Microshill I think was the word
[03:09] <wgrant> Microvell shill.
[03:09] <nixternal> openSUSE rocks, I don't care what anyone saysw
[03:09] <ajmitch> and not for his unrequited love of vista
[03:09] <nixternal> ya, that was it
[03:09] <wgrant> Hence Micronical.
[03:10] <ScottK> nixternal: Only if you enjoy being an unpaid beta tester for sles.
[03:10] <nixternal> just like we all are with Ubuntu :P
[03:10] <ScottK> Having this shiny new opensuse 10.1 desktop that looked and worked great except it could never be updated was enough for me.
[03:11] <ajmitch> tester? no, you're an unpaid developer's slave
[03:11] <ScottK> 10.1 was my first and last opensuse release.
[03:13]  * wgrant has never used S\.?[uU]\.?S\.?E
[03:14] <wgrant> Though I do admit to using Mandrake at one stage.
[03:14] <wgrant> What's so good about openSUSE?
[03:14] <mneptok> wgrant: how much did "they" pay you to say that?
[03:14] <mneptok> wgrant: the tiny community means quick bug triaging?
[03:14] <mneptok> "OMG! we got a user bug report!"
[03:15] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:16] <ajmitch> wgrant: sigh, I used mandrake back many years ago as well
[03:17] <nixternal> openSUSE 11 is the hotness
[03:17] <nixternal> so is Fedora 9
[03:18] <nixternal> but I have to finish laundry and get my non-unemployed ass to bed :P
[03:18] <nixternal> err, actually I need to look at ScottK's spec and see how it can make me money :)
[03:18] <ajmitch> you dare to try & make money off free software? think of your principles, man!
[03:19] <wgrant> The version of Mandrake I used had this ridiculous Mandrake logo embossed into the lower right-hand corner of every console (both in X, and on ttyX). I couldn't work out how to remove the darn thing.
[03:19] <ScottK> He's the shill.  Remember.
[03:19] <ajmitch> right
[03:29] <nixternal> just because I worked for Microsoft doesn't make me a shill :P
[03:33] <ScottK> No.  Being a shill makes you a shill.  ;-)
[03:35] <nixternal> true
[03:36]  * mneptok wonders how nixternal will enjoy the next release of openSuSE, which will use GNOME exclusively
[03:37] <mneptok> muahahahahaha
[03:37] <ajmitch> I almost felt sorry for nixternal there
[03:37] <nixternal> hehe
[03:37] <StevenK> Hah
[03:37] <nixternal> mneptok: there is still the KDE button for openSUSE
[03:38] <nixternal> plus they still have the KDE CDs
[03:38] <ajmitch> nixternal: the 'Install Kubuntu' button?
[03:38] <nixternal> that's all I need anyways :P
[03:39]  * ScottK is just glad Debian decided to stick with KDE 3.5.9 for Lenny.  That makes fore a good plan B.
[03:40] <ScottK> My Kubuntu motto for our next release is, "Intrepid Ibex in the jungle of KDE4.  Sometimes you eat the tiger, sometimes the tiger eats you.  Which will it be?  Find out.  Upgrade today."
[03:41] <ajmitch> So we'll have random snapshots from SVN on release day?
[03:42] <ScottK> Probably not svn snapshots, but I expect we'll be patching up to the last minute.
[03:43] <mneptok> ScottK: may i suggest "Your desktop has changed. It's our desktop now. No files or folders kthxbai."
[03:44] <ScottK> Not scary enough to encourage people to use it.
[03:44] <nixternal> no files or folders?
[03:44] <nixternal> I have both on my KDE 4 desktop
[03:44] <ajmitch> It's the way of the future
[03:45] <nixternal> I actually have files and folders from Documents, Graphics, and Dev on my KDE 4 desktop
[03:48] <mneptok> nixternal: can you drag a file into a folder?
[03:48] <nixternal> with trunk I can
[03:49] <mneptok> ah, the ability to move files and folders has just landed in KDE, eh? >:)
[03:49] <ajmitch> It's not stupid, it's advanced
[03:50] <mneptok> an argument that would work well in a world where Jerry Lewis won a Nobel prize.
[03:50] <lifeless> does KDE have a desktop again?
[03:50] <lifeless> last I heard it had a very pretty area that users couldn't touch
[03:50] <ajmitch> mneptok: you don't recall the glorious days of invader zim?
[03:52]  * mneptok is a Gir-head
[04:03] <marnold> excuse me could i have a quick review of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=php-gnupg
[04:07] <ScottK> Are you sure you really want to package that?
[04:07] <ScottK> Personally I don't think I'm going to be sticking my GPG keys behind a php script.
[04:18] <marnold> only a fool sticks his private keys on the web
[04:18] <marnold> is more for building keyrings and such
[04:19] <marnold> like if you wanted to LaunchPad in PHP
[04:20] <marnold> but i suppose if you had a role key it wouldn't be to bad
[04:20] <persia> As long as nobody trusts the role key overmuch.
[04:21]  * persia wants a "Count indicated trust by this key as negative" trust metric
[04:21] <marnold> but how does it look
[04:22] <marnold> its been awhile since i did a Ubuntu upload
[04:23] <marnold> :)
[04:32] <nixternal> mneptok: Gir-head? Is that like Gearhead done Nelly style?
[04:32] <nixternal> you from st. louis or sumpin' ;p
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:00] <dholbach> hiya ajmitch
[08:39] <stgraber> Anyone here who can spend some minutes looking at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=emu8051 ? I'm helping him packaging this software (but I'm not a MOTU myself, only (kind of) maintaining italc in main)
[09:28] <Iulian> Heya
[10:30] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[10:38] <sistpoty|work> hm... should I tag bug 220910 with verification-done?
[12:40] <huats> norsetto !!!
[12:40] <norsetto> huats !V
[12:40] <norsetto> huats: ops, sorry, Mr. The President
[12:42] <huats> ;)
[12:43]  * norsetto wonders if all is well with huatskozy
[12:43] <huats> don't worry... it is not a big deal for this time to have forgotten  that ;)
[12:43] <huats> norsetto: LOL
[12:44] <huats> norsetto: btw you should introduce me an italian model to become my wife :)
[12:44] <huats> (not sure everybody will agree with that ;))
[12:44] <norsetto> huats: sorry, I'm short of them at the moment
[12:45] <huats> pfff I am really disapointed
[12:45] <norsetto> huats: and with you ever leave your gf I will never talk to you again (she is too lovely)
[12:46] <huats> norsetto: :)
[12:46] <huats> norsetto: don't worry i don't envisage to do so... she just have to become a model and italian... and it'll be OK :)
[12:47] <norsetto> huats: well, she could on both fronts, so, consider it so :-)
[12:47] <huats> ;)
[12:47] <huats> LOl
[12:47] <huats> I'll tell her :)
[12:48] <norsetto> huats: hmmmm, I don't know if being Italian could be a compliment, hope she takes it positively ;-)
[12:49] <huats> ;)
[12:49] <huats> I am sure she will
[12:53]  * norsetto -> lunch
[13:28]  * norsetto <- lunch
[13:48] <gaspa> norsetto: -> coffe?
[13:49] <norsetto> gaspa: good idea, a deca for me thx
[13:50] <gaspa> norsetto: ok, but arriving at you, it'll become cold...
[13:51] <norsetto> gaspa: thermos?
[13:51] <gaspa> fine. ;) i'm calling "bartolini" to send it to you.
[13:51] <theseinfeld> If there is a package that is imported from Debian and I have better integration to Ubuntu, whom should I assign the bug?
[13:52] <theseinfeld> anybody can point me to someone?
[13:52] <norsetto> gaspa: thx!
[13:52] <gaspa> i'm sure it'll arrive with the case broken... ;)
[13:52] <norsetto> theseinfeld: say it again?
[13:54] <theseinfeld> well, I have been working in Revu on a package that was meanwhile imported from Debian. I filled the bug and uploaded my diffs to that, the question is, to whom should I assign that bug? Who is responsible of that archive uploads to take a look at the diff?
[13:56] <norsetto> theseinfeld: was that a new package?
[13:56] <theseinfeld> it is in intrepid
[13:56] <theseinfeld> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22/2.0.2-1
[13:57] <theseinfeld> bug 238492
[13:57] <theseinfeld> I was working on Revu since February to get it done, while I gave up convincing debian people that it has some issues
[13:58] <ScottK> Don't assign it to anyone.
[13:59] <ScottK> theseinfeld: Subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[13:59] <theseinfeld> the bug? or join chan?
[13:59] <theseinfeld> :D
[13:59] <ScottK> The bug
[13:59] <theseinfeld> thanks ScottK
[14:00] <theseinfeld> I will hate to see all the work and time wasted
[14:02] <gaspa> theseinfeld: file a bug in debian too... your work could be also useful for them.
[14:02] <broonie> theseinfeld: The debian situation with firewire is kind of a mess due to the kernel team deciding to drop the old stack.
[14:03] <theseinfeld> broonie, wooo, I like it. So, we all jump to juju :)
[14:04]  * broonie notes that the Debian maintainer may be unenthusiastic about conversion to CDBS
[14:05]  * theseinfeld knows that...
[14:05] <theseinfeld> But that was the least...
[14:09] <theseinfeld> have to go...
[14:09] <theseinfeld> cheers
[15:07] <lukehasnoname> Do the install DVDs support the server edition install, and does the DVD have all from the repos on it?
[15:08] <slytherin> lukehasnoname: not universe and multiverse
[15:09] <lukehasnoname> Is there some way to download the entire repo to a local drive, or clone it and make my own local repo?
[15:10] <lukehasnoname> My test machine doesn't have internet and I want to try some stuff out
[15:10] <Laney> lukehasnoname: apt-mirror
[15:11] <Laney> lukehasnoname: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/06/10/how-to-create-an-ubuntu-repository-mirror-on-ubuntu-804/
[15:11] <Laney> lukehasnoname: also, \sh did one here http://www.sourcecode.de/content/ubuntu-mirror-what-if-i-need-it-easy
[15:14] <\sh> Laney: that's about online mirroring...when you do have internet connection ;) but local lan...you need to mirror the stuff on the machine with i-net access and then provide this mirror to the machine without inet access, but eventually it has LAN access only
[15:14] <Laney> Well obviously you need internet at some point
[15:14] <lukehasnoname> right, that would do. I'd just need a night or two of internet on one machine
[15:15] <lukehasnoname> I think that would do, anyway. Thanks laney
[15:15] <lukehasnoname> esp. for showing me that site, period. Tutorials are always handy
[15:15] <Laney> np
[15:15] <Laney> You're lucky that these came up on the planet yesterday ;)
[15:16] <lukehasnoname> Ya, I saw that the tutorial came up yesterday
[15:16] <lukehasnoname> how convenient
[15:17] <lukehasnoname> "I want to get online. I need a computer!"
[15:23] <Laney> It is?
[15:25] <norsetto> Laney: nix is REVU $deity, if he says it is, then it is ...
[15:25] <norsetto> !nixternal
[15:25] <Laney> norsetto: Yeah, I meant that it doesn't seem to have been advertised anywhere...!
[15:26] <Hobbsee> oh noes.  revu day!
[15:26] <norsetto> Laney: give him time to wake up ;-)
[15:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping for a chat?
[15:26] <Laney> Anyway I'm happy - I've had stuff on REVU for a while now :D
[15:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: howdy
[15:41] <Laney> norsetto: May I merge battleball?
[15:42] <norsetto> Laney: pls. do
[15:42] <Laney> Thanks :>
[15:42]  * Laney will get pasta then do
[15:46] <jpds> hmm, pasta
[15:50] <james_w> sorry to ask for it, but would anyone be willing to upload the fix in bug 190450 to hardy-proposed?
[15:54] <norsetto> james_w: what about ov511? Is this bug applicable to that package?
[15:54] <james_w> norsetto: well, a similar bug, yes, I don't have a fix for that one.
[15:54] <norsetto> james_w: ok
[15:55] <james_w> the two issues were mixed by the time that I came across it, they should be separate reports really.
[15:56] <norsetto> james_w: perhaps its a good idea to mark the ov511 tasks as invalids then and open a new bug about that problem
[15:56] <james_w> that's a good idea.
[15:58] <leleobhz> ehlo guys ;]
[15:58] <norsetto> james_w: was 466371 the debian bug where you found the patch?
[15:59] <james_w> norsetto: nope, that's a different issue apparently.
[15:59] <norsetto> james_w: yes, you have any reference?
[15:59] <james_w> Debian already has the fix from upstream, so I'm not worried about hunting down a bug report there.
[15:59] <james_w> you're after where I got it from upstream?
[16:01] <norsetto> james_w: I would like to make sure that we quote the author, whoever that is, in the changelog
[16:01] <james_w> ah, ok.
[16:01] <james_w> Klinski Mirko  apparently
[16:01] <james_w> http://www.rastageeks.org/ov51x-jpeg/index.php/Changelog
[16:02] <norsetto> james_w: ok, can you add it to the changelog then pls?
[16:03] <james_w> sure
[16:12] <james_w> norsetto: done, thanks.
[16:15] <luisbg> is there a way to see all the tree of dependencies a package has? like what you can see as dependencies in packages.ubuntu.com, but with also the dependencies of the dependencies
[16:16] <ScottK> luisbg: Please ask on just one channel at a time.
[16:16] <luisbg> ScottK, sorry, I wanted to ask here since its a packaging question
[16:16] <luisbg> and then I noticed I asked in the wrong tab
[16:16] <luisbg> my bad :(
[16:16] <twruottu> It's REVU day?
[16:17] <norsetto> twruottu: (hint) see channel topic
[16:17] <ScottK> luisbg: Then it'd be polite to mention that on the other channel so people there don't waste their time.
[16:18] <twruottu> norsetto: Oh. The name list flooded the topic out of screen
[16:18] <norsetto> james_w: uploaded, thx for chasing this out
[16:18] <norsetto> twruottu: Wed. June 11, 2008 - REVU Day!
[16:19] <luisbg> ScottK, done :)
[16:19] <james_w> norsetto: thanks!
[16:19] <twruottu> I'm looking after second sponsor for my package mi2svg. I have uploaded the package to REVU and fixed all issues that have been brought up. See http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=mi2svg
[16:20] <james_w> luisbg: "apt-cache dotty" may be something like you want.
[16:20] <norsetto> cyberix2: Standards-Version is 3.8.0 now :-(
[16:21] <cyberix2> damn
[16:21] <cyberix2> Then I have to get into my car and start driving home wards
[16:21] <cyberix2> :-D
[16:22] <luisbg> james_w, thanks :)
[16:22] <norsetto> cyberix2: just check if you have to make any changes in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz
[16:22] <cyberix2> As I keep my PGP key in my safe or some other secret secure place instead of a USB stick.
[16:22] <james_w> luisbg: also "apt-cache --recurse depends"
[16:23] <norsetto> cyberix2: take your time, I will be around for another 7 hrs or so
[16:23] <cyberix2> norsetto: Can I find that document online somewhere?
[16:23] <luisbg> james_w, awesome!
[16:24] <norsetto> cyberix2: its in the debian-policy package which is in debian/ubuntu repos
[16:24] <cyberix2> norsetto: K
[16:24] <cyberix2> norsetto: Thanks
[16:25] <norsetto> cyberix2: de nada, I'll check to see if there is some more and will let you have any comment anyhow
[16:27] <norsetto> cyberix2: looking at the package I doubt you will have to make any changes though
[16:27] <cyberix2> norsetto: Thanks a lot. I'll start driving. Please post any further observations to REVU so I can fix them all once I get home. I'll get back to you later.
[16:27] <cyberix2> ok?
[16:28] <norsetto> cyberix2: sure thing
[16:28] <cyberix2> See you later, bye
[16:58] <RainCT> slomo__: did you have a look at gbrainy?
[17:18]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:18] <sistpoty|work> cya
[17:18] <mathiaz> Koon: shoot
[17:18] <mathiaz> Koon: was the list I sent you usefull ?
[17:18] <Koon> mathiaz: yes, very useful.
[17:19] <Koon> mathiaz: the "updated" merges have to be worked on, too, I suppose, not only outstabding ones
[17:20] <mathiaz> Koon: yes - although we try to focus first on the outstanding ones
[17:20] <Koon> mathiaz: first question is about config.{sub,guess}.
[17:20] <mathiaz> Koon: we try to merge each package at least *once* during each cycle
[17:20] <Koon> mathiaz: on the libcgi merge, they conflict...
[17:21] <Koon> mathiaz: should I try to merge them, take the Debian one... or just ignore them
[17:21] <mathiaz> Koon: most of the time these files are regenerated during build time
[17:21] <Koon> mathiaz: yes, that's why I ask ;)
[17:21] <mathiaz> Koon: so you don't really care about it
[17:22] <Koon> ok, I can let the automerge resolve the conflicts in them, but I don't talk about them in "Remaining chnages"
[17:22] <mathiaz> Koon: the best ressource I've found about this is the autotools-dev package
[17:22] <Koon> mathiaz: second question is about courier-authlib merge.
[17:23] <mathiaz> Koon: /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/
[17:23] <Koon> if you look at the changelog, the "Remaining changes" are very simple.
[17:23] <mathiaz> Koon: the README.Debian.gz outlines what the problems are
[17:23] <Koon> but if you look at the base -> ubuntu patch, it's just enormous.
[17:24] <Koon> 226 files, 4M diff
[17:25] <mathiaz> Koon: which patch are you looking at ?
[17:25] <Koon> courier-authlib_0.60.1-1ubuntu2.patch
[17:26] <Koon> the base-> debian patch is so simple (and the merge process did produce a viable tarball) that I could just report the last changelog and be done with it... but that troubles me
[17:26] <bddebian> Heya folks
[17:27] <mathiaz> Koon: right - it seems that the ubuntu version has some .deps/ dependencies in it
[17:27] <mathiaz> Koon: probably that the clean target doesn't work properly
[17:28] <mathiaz> Koon: so the source package was build with things that were left from a previous binary build
[17:28] <Koon> hmmkay.
[17:29] <geser> Hi bddebian
[17:29] <mathiaz> Koon: looking at the lsdiff, there are lots of files in .deps/
[17:29] <Koon> but there are lots of things outside .deps too. Maybe the result of the same problem
[17:29] <mathiaz> Koon: probably related - most of the file are files autogenerated by the autoconfigure tools
[17:30] <mathiaz> Koon: Makefile, config.status, config.h, etc...
[17:30] <Koon> mathiaz: Ok, I will look into it from that angle
[17:31] <mathiaz> Koon: yeah - read up on the autotools-dev package so that you start to grasp the issue with it
[17:31] <Koon> mathiaz: ok then, do you mind if I handle the icecast2 merge (will be a sync request, more than probably)
[17:31] <mathiaz> Koon: then you can look into the patch, using filterdiff to remove the files that are not necessary
[17:31] <mathiaz> Koon: np - go ahead please.
[17:32] <mathiaz> Koon: did you go through all the list I sent you ?
[17:33] <Koon> mathiaz: not all the list. I started a couple of hours ago.
[17:33] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - so far did you find the merge difficult ?
[17:34] <cyberix> norsetto: back
[17:34] <mathiaz> Koon: I ask that because I've tried to pick merges that *seemed* easier than others.
[17:34] <cyberix> norsetto: Is that shorter download url form a convention?
[17:34] <Koon> mathiaz: no, they were quite simple cases
[17:34] <cyberix> norsetto: How did you run lintian?
[17:35] <cyberix> norsetto: I could not get that error
[17:35] <norsetto> cyberix: did you run it on the binary?
[17:35] <bddebian> Heya geser
[17:36] <cyberix> norsetto: on the deb-file?
[17:37] <cyberix> Also, is there some tool for just validating the man page?
[17:37] <cyberix> directly
[17:38] <norsetto> cyberix: yes, on the deb or better yet on the binary changes
[17:41] <cyberix> I used it on the deb
[17:41] <cyberix> But I have no idea what is wrong
[17:42] <cyberix> I would need some(one) or tool to tell me more about the problem
[17:42] <Laney> cyberix: lintian -i will give you more info
[17:44] <mathiaz> Koon: was the documentation I've pointed you to useful ?
[17:45] <Koon> mathiaz: yes. Note that the two wikipages are the same, in fact
[17:46] <mathiaz> Koon: the content has been merged now ?
[17:46] <mathiaz> Koon: I haven't looked at them precisely
[17:47] <Koon> mathiaz: apparently. The MOTU one redirects to the other one.
[17:47] <mathiaz> Koon: oh - that has been done recently then - good :)
[17:48] <norsetto> cyberix: I think its the (c) character
[17:48] <cyberix> I realize that
[17:48] <cyberix> But there should be nothing wrong with it
[17:48] <mathiaz> Koon: I'm planing to publish such lists of easy merges in order to get people started in merging.
[17:49] <cyberix> "* New Homepage field for upstream web sites." I already used that field with some earlier packages. I hope I didn't break anything.
[17:49] <mathiaz> Koon: that's why I wanted to have your feedback on the level of difficulty I've chosen
[17:49] <norsetto> cyberix: well, using nroff your manpage shows this: Copyright Â© 2005
[17:51] <cyberix> Interresting
[17:51] <Koon> mathiaz: I guess packages where you merge from the same upstream version are the easiest
[17:51] <cyberix> vim shows it correctly
[17:51] <cyberix> So does cat
[17:52] <mathiaz> Koon: well - I've opted to compare the changelog actually
[17:52] <mathiaz> Koon: looking at the changelog in Ubuntu and Debian
[17:52] <Koon> mathiaz: ok
[17:52] <mathiaz> Koon: that gives a first idea at the work that may be required.
[17:53] <mathiaz> Koon: I'll also add some metrics (such as diffstats and lsdiff)
[17:53] <mathiaz> Koon: and the list of conflicts from the potential merge
[17:53] <mterry> I want to add a simple patch to a package which doesn't use a patch system right now. I tried adding cdbs's simple-patchsys.mk, but when I try to run cdbs-edit-patch, I get: "target file `clean' has both : and :: entries.  Stop."  Is there a way to easily add simple-patch without overhauling the various targets already in debian/rules?  If not, how do I make the two clean's play nice?
[17:54] <cyberix> man pages require you to specify encoding in some way?
[17:54] <mathiaz> Koon: all these information should help giving a rough idea about the level of difficulty of a merge
[17:54] <cyberix> I don't do that, because I could not find a way to do it.
[17:54] <Koon> mathiaz: the doc from autotools-dev is really interesting. thanks for pointing that out
[17:54] <james_w> mterry: if the package doesn't use cdbs then you won't be able to use cdbs-simple-patchsys, sorry.
[17:55] <mathiaz> Koon: yeah - I've read the README.Debian a couple of times and still haven't grasped all the details in there.
[17:55] <persia> mterry: You're better off using dpatch or quilt if you're not using all of CDBS.  Of the two, dpatch has better documentation (both externally and in patches), and quilt is more flexible about handling conflicts.
[17:55] <persia> james_w: Well, it's possible to use only part of CDBS, but it makes kittens cry...
[17:57] <mterry> persia: I'm not trying to solve kitten sadness syndrome here.  I just want a patch.  :)
[17:58] <persia> mterry: OK.  Using part of CDBS will make you cry :)
[17:58] <mterry> persia: Fair
[17:58] <persia> Just use dpatch.  There's a nice dpatch.mk you can include, and you can use dpatch-edit-patch to edit the patch.  Just remember to add a patch comment to every dpatch.
[17:59]  * mterry reads a dpatch howto
[17:59] <cyberix> norsetto: Also man shows the text correctly
[18:01] <cyberix> Also I can't get lintian to notice the error anymore
[18:02] <cyberix> lintian did complain with the previous upstream version
[18:02] <cyberix> norsetto: What options did you pass to lintian?
[18:06] <norsetto> cyberix: just use (c) and we get rid of it
[18:09] <cyberix> Thats what the japanese people do? :-D
[18:10] <cyberix> This might be an error in lintian.
[18:10] <cyberix> actually
[18:10] <cyberix> I don't get that error
[18:11] <cyberix> So there just might be nothing wrong
[18:11] <norsetto> cyberix: I'm getting that character when I use man, so there is something definetively wrong
[18:12] <cyberix> Interresting
[18:12] <cyberix> so lintian works differently on different systems
[18:12] <cyberix> Are you sure you don't have the old version of my package?
[18:13] <cyberix> 0.1.5
[18:13] <cyberix> should be correct
[18:13] <norsetto> cyberix: I used your link, so unless you have given the old link ...
[18:14] <cyberix> The software itself says 0.1.3, but that is just because the software has not changed since
[18:15] <cyberix> Maybe I should change that, just for sake of clarity
[18:15] <norsetto> cyberix: and thats the diff wrt the previous version: -Copyright 2005, 2006 Research Institute for the Languages of Finland +Copyright © 2005, 2006 Research Institute for the Languages of Finland
[18:15] <cyberix> The copyright version in the old original was broken.
[18:16] <cyberix> So I considered removing it just for the package.
[18:16] <cyberix> But then I decided to fix it upstream
[18:16] <norsetto> cyberix: yes, you should definetively change the version in the script
[18:17] <cyberix> I'll do that, but first I want to get the man page thing sorted out.
[18:17] <cyberix> Which locale do you use?
[18:17] <norsetto> cyberix: en_US.UTF-8
[18:17] <cyberix> so do I
[18:18] <cyberix> norsetto: what does "file mi2svg.man" tell you?
[18:19] <norsetto> cyberix: ASCII troff or preprocessor input text
[18:19] <cyberix> mi2svg.man: UTF-8 Unicode troff or preprocessor input text
[18:20] <norsetto> cyberix: I edited it to check with (c)
[18:20] <cyberix> Well get the original one
[18:21] <cyberix> And make sure lintian still complains about it
[18:28] <Kopfgeldjaeger> should i install files within debian/rules or with an install file (mostly data files)?
[18:28] <Kopfgeldjaeger> (mostly, but not only)
[18:41] <lukehasnoname> http://xkcd.com/351/
[18:41] <lukehasnoname> wrong tab sry
[18:42]  * persia recommends Kopfgeldjaeger install data files with dh_install and debian/install before heading off for several hours
[18:42] <Kopfgeldjaeger> thanks
[18:46] <cyberix> norsetto: "man -d mi2svg.man" may tell us why your "man mi2svg" fails to display the character correctly.
[18:46] <cyberix> norsetto: It seems that nroff is not supposed to display it correctly.
[19:34] <emgent> heya
[19:56] <CrippledCanary> Could someone have a look at bug #135033, bug #224241 and bug #221973 please...
[19:57] <CrippledCanary> It's SRU for hardy and a fix for #221973 in intrepid
[19:58] <slomo__> RainCT: will look tomorrow
[20:29] <lukehasnoname> anyone have connections to "main"tainers?
[20:30] <lukehasnoname> er, does anyone here manage the main repo
[20:30] <lukehasnoname> Yes, I know this is motu, just asking though
[20:33] <geser> lukehasnoname: it's like MOTU but with more responsibilities
[20:33] <lukehasnoname> where would I go to request a package update in main
[20:33] <geser> lukehasnoname: what kind of update? new upstream release?
[20:34] <lukehasnoname> ya
[20:34] <geser> is it already in Debian unstable?
[20:34] <lukehasnoname> libvirt 0.4.0 -> 0.4.2, and I'll check that, forgot to
[20:35] <geser> !info libvirt0 intrepid
[20:35] <lukehasnoname> nice.
[20:35] <geser> it's already updated for intrepid
[20:36] <lukehasnoname> Will that get put into Hardy at some point, or do you have to enable backports?
[20:37] <lukehasnoname> I'm still a newbie at packaging protocols
[20:37] <lukehasnoname> esp. for LTS
[20:38] <geser> it's unlikely that it will get into hardy(-updates)
[20:38] <geser> I don't know if it might get into -backports
[20:38] <geser> try asking soren about it, as he maintains libvirt
[20:39] <geser> you can reach him either here or in #ubuntu-devel (where the core-devs hang out)
[20:42] <sebner> slomo__: I'm not sure but after my final exams it wouldn't be bad if I decide my future. maybe something with C# programms (not mono itself I suppose ^^) and you are the geek there. any advice, may you would guide me a little bit?
[20:42] <lukehasnoname> thanks geser
[20:58] <norsetto> sebner: you mean, you will pass your exams!?
[21:00] <sebner> norsetto: hmm?
[21:08] <norsetto> sebner: need some private lessons?
[21:08] <sebner> norsetto: well, we have topics to learn and we have written stuff to learn, furthermore it's too late maybe. BUT I'll remember your offer ;)
[21:08] <norsetto> sebner: please do
[21:08] <sebner> norsetto: thanks =), so eggdrop has to wait or I'll fail my exams xD
[21:09] <norsetto> sebner: eggdrop? whats that?
[21:09] <sebner> norsetto: xD
[21:09] <sebner> !info eggdrop
[21:10] <sebner> !info eggdrop intrepid
[21:10] <norsetto> oh, how nice, another ubottu
[21:10] <sebner> norsetto: you know. with this ssl thing
[21:11] <norsetto> oh, an ssl'ed ubottu
[21:11] <norsetto> ubottu: keep quite or we will ssl you too
[21:11] <sebner> norsetto: xD xD xD
[21:12] <sebner> haha
[21:19] <sebner> geser: now I'll file a sync bug for fakeroot-ng just for fun ;) kay?
[21:20] <sebner> geser: bug #239284  \o/
[21:22] <geser> sebner: sure
[21:24] <geser> sebner: does it build in intrepid i386?
[21:25] <sebner> geser: remember! Though I'm writing crap I testbuild *everything*
[21:25] <geser> good
[21:25] <sebner> ^^
[21:26] <CrippledCanary> can someone please tell me how to get the package described in bug #120434 included?
[21:26] <CrippledCanary> Or the proper attention at least
[21:28] <lukehasnoname> bug #1
[21:28] <lukehasnoname> FIX IT
[22:38] <sebner> gn87 folks
[22:51] <kees> soren: uhmmm... I just noticed that sbuild isn't skipping package removal when shutting down my schroot snapshots...
[22:51] <kees> that's no good
[23:22] <soren> kees: Oh. That calls for rebenchmarking, doesn't it?
[23:28] <kees> soren: hah, it calls for me filing a bug.
[23:42] <soren> kees: Oh, I thought it was your won script that was failing to do it.
[23:51] <kees> soren: oh, no, it's clearly a bug in the new schroot.  I was just unable to immediately discover the origin of the issue.  lots of loopy c++ and shell.  eek